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Comments by "harmless" (@harmless6813) on "What is a genocide?" video.
I'm pretty sure it is.
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But he's right. Just because people get outraged doesn't mean words should lose all meaning.
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@chriscoyne8034 Unsubstantiated claim from your side. I have yet to see any Israeli claim that Palestinians don't exist or don't have a right to exist.
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I think the point is that you have to make an effort not to harm civilians. So carpet coming a city because there's some enemy soldiers somewhere in the area would be a war crime; targeting a building with enemy soldiers is not.
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@arog7493 I didn't find it funny, I just found it accurate. I'm from Germany, go, figure. :P
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But there were many instances where Israel was ready to accept some kind of two-state solution. That seems to clearly rule out any intention of genocide.
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@cl8804 I can only guess what you mean. But first, Anders didn't deny anything and second, it's not obvious at all.
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As has been clearly stated, for something to be a genocide, the intent to make a specific group cease to exist has to be there. I don't think that's the case with Palestinians at all. Even the most rightwing Israeli would probably be fine with Palestinians just going elsewhere.
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No. You can't just say "regardless of the definition". Otherwise, I could argue that you should be in jail "regardless of the definition" of laws. Listen to the video again; maybe you'll understand this time.
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@chriscoyne8034 Your lack of arguments does not convince me either.
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Gaza is a patch of land, not a group of people. Yes, that is a sufficient distinction.
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@bill_and_amanda I disagree that moving people elsewhere is the same as destroying them.
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@larsrons7937 That seems to be an overly broad definition of "a people". Are Hamas "a people" too?
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@larsrons7937 I still think your definition is too broad.
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He didn't say anything like that. He said that Putin can still be tried for genocide even if he didn't kill anyone himself.
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@larsrons7937 "There would probably be retaliations in form of massive bombings of Ukranian civilians, and hybrid warfare attacks against the West." Sounds like nothing would actually change.
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Any specific example your are thinking of?
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"Putin is saying that Ukraine and its culture is part of the Russian culture and they should re-join the motherland." That fits the definition of genocide pretty well.
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@okanok800 You spout Russian propaganda and lie about Israel. I'm not going to keep interacting with you.
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@andyds11 See post above.
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@thomasherrin6798 Where did that come from? And what does it have to do with what I wrote?
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Grabbing land is not the same as genocide.
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Watch the video again. There's still a chance you might understand it eventually.
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As Anders has clearly stated, it is the intention that makes something a genocide.
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Are you saying that Latvia tries to erase all Russians? Don't make me laugh. You know, there's a country where millions of Russians live, right across the border.
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@bill_and_amanda I disagree about the parallels part.
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It's just like the Russians calling others Nazis while acting like Nazis themselves.
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"I think it's wrong to accuse the people using this word of using it to simply describe a mass civilian casualties." Really? I think he's exactly right. That seems to be what most people are doing.
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Genocide is not about land.
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@json252 That's not how it works. 'Palestinians' is already wonky as a distinct group, but 'Gazans' is just silly. But that definition 'New Yorkers' would be a distinct national group.
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You make vast claims but don't present any evidence. I disagree with your assessment of the situation.
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The difference is that in one case the claim is that a people doesn't exist where in the other case, the claim is that a state doesn't exist. Trying to take over land is the goal of many wars and that doesn't automatically mean any such war is a genocide. Genocide is specifically defined to be aimed against people, not land.
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@IvarDaigon Bullshit history "arguments". I don't care. And I disagree that there's not much difference. In fact, there are not many parallels besides the fact that there's fighting ongoing.
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@jonbbbb It all rests on the intent. If you make laws with the specific intent of one group marrying into the general population so that this group will eventually disappear, that will fall under genocide.
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@mats66 Misses the point.
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@Axacqk Misses the point. The fact that Israel would accept any kind of Palestinian state shows, that there is no intent of genocide.
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@mats66 I'll take your word for it. (Just joking. Obviously I don't.)
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