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Comments by "EvilGuacamoleGaming" (@EvilGuacamoleGaming) on "9-year-old shares her plans after receiving Covid-19 vaccine" video.

The BS of... the entirety of medical science. I'm sorry, I'm missing the BS. I'm sorry, if your your faith in God is dependent on making sure you spread a disease your God is either not real or evil.
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Yes. The emergency is the pandemic that is still ongoing. The long term effects of the injections are impossible to know any more than the long term effect of not taking the injection; however, all data points to it being healthy for children. It is ethical because it will save lives and alleviate illness and do so without harming people. I can field more questions, if you like.
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If you can't participate in life safely then you can't do anything with your rights. It's not really giving up much of a right to get vaccinated since it makes sure you can live and others can live. I still don't understand the motive of 'my greatest right is to be sick, maybe die and kill others so that I don't have to take a shot'.
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Yeah, and if we fucking get everyone vaccinated then it can't get to those people. Are you one of those anti-life people? Sound like it.
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You've never met a 9 year old I guess.
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@cecilsays-legalmindsetcant1339 I don't see why, I'm right. Or are you here for wrong answers that support your way of thinking?
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True, pharma is quite evil because they are driven by profit. I'm happy to discuss making a totally public healthcare system that isn't dependent on making sales. However, that doesn't change if the shot is a good idea, which it is.
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@TheNodrokov It's almost like a complaint in bad faith. ; )
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Sounds great! Let's do it.
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If need be, yeah. I'm not sure what's complicated. If people would all get vaccinated then we'd be over this and could stop the pattern. Until then we will do what we need to.
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@justinthomas2880 It is always possible to spread it; there is no absolute protection, but data shows the best protection from spreading it is vaccination.
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@chriskoschik391 why is it fortunate that the simple, obvious solution to this world-wide pandemic is not what everyone is doing? Do you just like sickness and death?
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@AWESOME2715 I'm happy to discuss restructuring the medical industry so it's not profit motivated. But, it remains that vaccines are safe and effective even if made by greedy assholes.
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@PathfinderHistoryTravel I'll be honest, I don't watch it at all. I only come in here to find people spreading vaccine lies and yell at them as a substitute for anything real since I'm not in the position to make much of a difference. I know what I'm doing. I mostly try to get direct sources on stuff. I don't really trust news that has sponsors. I want people vaccinated because I want to protect human life; CNN is corporate and conservative, so their interest is in returning the economy to something more profitable. This is why they virtue signal about a lot of stuff but when it comes down to any sort of real change they will resist it. The real problem is CNN is conservative but Fox is so far to the right they get to pretend like they are leftist and seem it by comparison. I'm not convinced on the idea of 'diversify' though; I believe I saw a study that doing so can actually just reinforce your bias because you see the news you like and compare it and since it confirmed your biases it reinforced the idea that you were right all along. I think it's more important to learn to be critical of news that affirms your position.
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@nicholasduck9663 If you had a real answer and not some flat earther level screed, I'd be interested.
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Johnny Chimpo That seems like some real cope for the fact that you have no science or reason backing up what you believe. "Could I be the one wrong? No, it's the ones listening to the scientists and doctors who are fools!" Please. If you are all bullshit don't bother posturing like you know anything.
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Johnny Chimpo No, most scientists are not paid by phrama. We have scientists around the globe, including countries that do not have capitalist pharmaceutical industries, and they all confirm the safety and efficacy of the vaccine. However, I'm happy to talk about universal public healthcare that would eliminate the profit motive of the pharma industry so it would be more trustworthy.
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The tyranny... of good health?
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I mean, about a thousand people a day are still dying from it in America alone. It's the leading cause of death for police officers. It's still a major problem across the globe and the longer it remains in the human population the more it mutates and the more likely it will overcome vaccines.
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For the record, you are the reason why they still have to wear it.
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@Ottbucket It works but it's not 100%. It greatly reduces your chance of infection (and reduces the danger of the disease). It is not a all or none game, here. As such, your irresponsible action to not be vaccinated does potentially endanger me. However, if you don't go around anyone else you are welcome to not get a free vaccination that could save your life.
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@chriskoschik391 Those are all excellent issues to be concerned with. However, that doesn't change if the vaccine is effective or not. I don't assume the government or big pharma has my best interest in mind. Well, 'the government' is an oversimplification for a gigantic organization that is working to many ends often without the input of other groups within. I mean, we get lied into wars but that doesn't mean I hate everything the government does. That's the way a baby thinks. To the point, the data is there. We have no reason to find the data suspect since it's been confirmed across the globe by various governments and other agencies. It turns out that the government and pharma companies are motivated to make a good vaccine. Maybe it's a broken clock, maybe there are systems in place that make it happen. Regardless, the vaccine is safe and effective. Though I'd love to talk about dismantling the military industrial complex and creating a public healthcare system that isn't profit motivated.
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@sakaistaxxssmith8166 the way you end an epidemic is getting the r value under 1; r being the amount of people who will catch a virus from a new infection. If all people world wide were vaccinated at the same time the r value would be way under 1, soon it would not be able to find enough new hosts to propagate and eventually it would not exist in any human. Also, that is not how antibodies work. You don't just have more of them and having more doesn't mean you are more immune. You need specific anti-bodies to fight a virus. The vaccine gives you antibodies directed at the virus. It both protects you from infection and reduces symptoms and spread. You have some very bad info about viruses and I'd suggest not listening to whoever is giving you your wu.
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@AWESOME2715 agreed. I don't think they make 'bad medicine' or are hiding research, but it is true that they don't have an incentive for permanent solutions. This is why we need greater amounts of public research grants.
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@ScriptureShores If CNN said this, they are wrong. Vaccines prevent transmission. This is very basic virology. If you are less likely to get the virus you are less likely to spread it. If you are less likely to build viral load you are less likely to spread it. If you are less likely to have the symptoms that assist in spreading it, particularly coughing, you are less likely to spread it. Anyone who suggests the vaccine doesn't stop the spread of the virus is simply ignorant and CNN should know better than to suggest such a thing. I suspect they do and never suggested that; the reality is almost certain that you got this nonsense from some idiot who makes millions lying to people who want to believe lies such as yourself. People always need to be careful with medical decisions. However, short of any reason to be warry of vaccines, such as being on chemotherapy, everyone- children included, should get this vaccine. Emergency approval is not done on a whim.
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@Marie_5Z Christ said that the world will know us by our love for others. Lying to people so they get sick and die is hardly love. I do not trust anyone to have heard God say we should help people die in miserable pain. No greater love than to lay down your life for another yet so many 'Christians' will not get a simple vaccine to protect their neighbor. You do not follow Christ, you are merely a member of a cult that is a laughable mockery of the Church.
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@earlthepearl4161 I'm sorry, what does that have to with, as my father would say, the price of eggs in China? Yes, malpractice is bad. We are mostly talking about people that without medical intervention would still have died. This isn't how we even categorize how people died. Unless the person died from medical intervention that was not intended to otherwise prevent death medical malpractice is not the primary cause of death. It's been a while since I've seen the charts but those numbers are in a few thousand. But I do wonder what this has to do with anything. I don't even like the medical industry. It's profit driven because our country sucks; a public system would fix that.
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@thefroggyiest4799 First of all, I am myself a Christian so all of this is a little wild there. Second, being vaccinated protects others because vaccines prevent the spread of the virus; anyone telling you otherwise is ignorant or a liar or both. I've never suggested Christians can't be vaccinated or enjoy getting people sick. I would say I doubt the claim of Christianity to do something so deeply cruel as to not vaccinate yourself. Those who claim to know God would not want us to be vaccinated follow a false idol. But sure, please explain whatever you think I didn't understand.
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@thefroggyiest4799 God said to love one another as He loved us. If Jesus was willing to take nails to His wrists for us I think we can take a needle for our fellow man. And we know what will happen- we won't get and spread a deadly virus. And no, you are wrong- it does stop the spread. I don't know where people got this completely wrong notion but vaccines stop the spread. Anyone telling you they don't is lying. All studies show it limits the viral spread. It does so by a) stopping people from getting it in the first place, thus unable to spread it b) limiting the viral load of those who do get it c) lessening the symptoms of those who get it so they aren't coughing which spreads the viral load. The only thing that might mitigate these benefits is if people get lax and social distancing and such because they believe they are utterly immune and then the spread happens there in the breakthrough. No evidence to that happening, though. As for what my issue is? Well, first off, I don't want anyone to get COVID, even people who are spreading lies about vaccines and such. Secondly, if you aren't vaccinated you are much more likely to be a vector. Made all the worse by the fact that those who don't vaccinate are more likely to spend time with other unvaccinated people. Further, every new host of the virus gives it a chance to mutate, making it more capable of defeating the defenses I have from the vaccine. I don't know your heart of hearts, but I doubt the sincerity of faith of someone who claims Christ from their mouth and denies Him with their actions.
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@charliehutto the bullheadedness of checks notes believing in medical science... I'm sorry, I don't know what the fuck you are on about. Your the ones following the death cult that looks at a deadly virus and goes 'sounds fake'.
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@Marie_5Z I think people that spread lies are liars. I don't think everyone who thinks differently than me is a liar or ignorant, but if how they think differently is that they are lying or being ignorant then yeah, I'd say that's the case. Anyone telling the vaccine isn't a good idea is a liar or doesn't know anything. Anyone telling you not to get vaccinated wants you to help spread the virus.
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@Marie_5Z Data, science, multiple sources for information. Sometimes it's difficult to find the truth in situations, sometimes it's nuanced. This isn't. The evidence is overwhelming and also just a matter of common sense in addition to the result of study. Vaccines are good. Not getting vaccinated is spreading death. This isn't complicated. I can't even keep track of the reason why anyone hates vaccines anymore, it's all stupid.
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@charliehutto it is a vaccine. You are less mature than my 7 year old. And more gullible.
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@charliehutto I've yet to demonstrate any ignorance, so I suppose that might seem true. However, ignorance can't reflect a moral compass. Ignorance prevents people from acting on their moral compass accurately. For instance, there are people who are good but told dumb things like 'the vaccine is bad because points at vague lack of evidence and, in that ignorance, might do something like spread a deadly disease. Your willing submission to racist and cruel dogma, however, does reflect your lack of maturity and moral fortitude.
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@Marie_5Z Sounds fake. Particularly because I know Fox news would be all over the heart attack story. And I wouldn't necessarily buy that it had anything to do with the vaccine, but that wouldn't stop Fox from blowing their load from it. Anyway, when you surround yourself with people who won't get vaccinated it's more likely that you'll get sick. And it's difficult even with the vaccine to live with someone and not catch it. Having it worse sounds like you stretching the story to fit your anti-science narrative but even if that is the case most new cases are delta variants... not to mention that how bad it goes for any person varies quite a bit. I can tell you the aggregate of the data makes it clear that the chance of COVID goes down dramatically as does spreading it. Your anecdote is not data. And in the end, I don't care what people do with their bodies until it affects me. Freedom to swing your fist ends at my nose, after all. Your freedom to be unvaccinated ends where you can spread the disease to me. I have no interest in telling you to not shit, but I will tell you not to do it in my yard or in my child's classroom.
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@Marie_5Z Man, you anti-vaxx idiots have like three points and they are all wrong. Yes, people not getting vaccinated effects me because the vaccine is not 100% effective; just like natural immunity is not 100%. It also effects those who can't get vaccinated. It also encourages mutation of the virus which will make the vaccine less effective over time. I don't think something needs to be on the media to be true. But I know groups like Fox News are desperate for anything anti-vaxx and so seems like something that could so easily be spun like your story would be there. However, even if your extremely suspect story was true it doesn't actually indicate that the vaccine was related. I think the Moderna vaccine had mild issues with younger patients and heart conditions or something, but I'm not sure if there were ever deaths related to it. Wait, I looked it up, doesn't seem there were any deaths, only some hospitalization. What I do know is that Covid is far more dangerous to a person than any of the vaccines. That's something we know already and probably the info is just going to be worse and worse. Again, you are responding with anecdotes not data. This is why we do studies and stuff. I don't have a vested interest in believing vaccines work just to believe it. It would require total fool to make medical decisions because of political alignment. I'm really just concerned with being correct and making sure everyone is healthy. As it turns out, the best way to do that is for everyone to be vaccinated. As for Kyle Warner, I couldn't find any info that wasn't from a conspiracy website. His own testimony doesn't even make sense which makes me doubt it. You don't just get a metallic taste from a shot in the arm. But it's a great way to sell a story to conspiracy consumers.
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@Marie_5Z huh, you were right about a thing. Shocking, you've been so wrong about everything else. Still, I don't really trust a story that is only reported by conspiracy nuts. And it remains an anecdote. And it remains that the risk from vaccines are far less than the risk of Covid. It's also strange that he said he got Pfizer when there has been no study showing issues with it. And even if this miniscule chance of minor danger is real it is better than potentially spreading Covid if you aren't a sociopath.
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@Clayton.Bigsby.360 Every country has police who ask for papers. What do you think 'license and registration' is? What do you think you do at the border? What do you think you have to do to get your kid into school? Did you know the Nazis breathed? Better stop doing that! My goodness, Hitler had scientists. I had no idea. I thought the rockets were fueled by the hopes and dreams of racists. Well, we can't have rockets anymore. Actually, that's closer to something real since we did hire the Nazi scientists to get us to the moon, as opposed to vaccinations which have been forced in one form or another in this country since George Washington forced his troops to be vaccinated. Now, if we are done being stupid, we can get back to the fact that the vaccines have been studied across the globe by groups both public and private under governments of all types and all research confirms the obvious: vaccines are a good idea. Indeed, the idea that they are not is at best a conspiracy theory, though that is probably abusing the term 'theory' since theory exist based on actual knowledge which the idea that the vaccines are not safe is not.
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@Clayton.Bigsby.360 Are you not well? What is with the dumb laughter? I think most people didn't think vaccine passports would be needed because we underestimated how many people wouldn't get vaccinated. We underestimated how unhinged the far right is. Which, of course, is a constant mistake of those even marginally rational. We really thought it would only be a few idiots who would drink the kool aid but, well, it wasn't. The passports are barely being used, sometimes not at all, but it should be. I don't think disease vectors should be allowed near the people not trying to die.
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@Clayton.Bigsby.360 So you are saying that you have always been against stop and frisk policies? Interesting. Anyway, if there weren't people posing a public health risk this wouldn't really be an issue. I'd understand if the vaccine didn't work, was dangerous or cost money. But they do work, they aren't dangerous and they are free. So, you have no excuse to not be vaccinated right now. If it was only a small amount of people risking everyone's lives we wouldn't need to stop anyone and ask if they decided to risk everyone's lives today. So in short, the unvaccinated are encouraging the police state.
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@Clayton.Bigsby.360 I mean, not always. But when it comes to 'should we all get vaccinated' the obvious answer is 'yes, if you like living and not being sick'. There isn't anything of merit that contradicts this. What little there is mostly is like 'maybe we should be cautious with this particular vaccines for this age group' and then they go 'oh, no, it's fine'. I've seen this stuff you talk about. It is misinformation. Because it's misinformation.
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@Clayton.Bigsby.360 While I'll agree that what FDR was unconscionable, that's not really relevant. There was no evidence that ever suggested 'internment' (I agree they were concentration camps; I use internment only to be clear on which concentration camps) would make anyone safer, certainly not those sent there. It was entirely based on fear. Like I said, I've seen the contradictory 'evidence'. It sucks. It's a mishmash of bad science, misunderstood results and straight up lies. I'm sorry, there is real evidence showing the effectiveness of vaccines and the danger of COVID. It's not a made up fear like Japanese spies. And while I agree not to rely too heavily on what the government says the evidence is backed up by governments across the globe with a wide variety of systems and goals and tendencies. It's also backed up by private research and public NGOs. The issue with a passport needed to do commerce or something similar isn't the concept by itself but it's potential to harm specific groups. We already have a similar system in place for the purchase of alcohol. You need a government ID to purchase it. If you have a problem with that you are welcome to not purchase alcohol. If you don't want to participate in public marketplaces you don't have to do the thing that makes it safe for you to do so. It differs from things like the treatment of the Japanese in America and Jews in Germany because neither could retract their participation in the particular group. The Japanese weren't just denied access to markets but all freedoms; there was no alternative way to function. They also could not stop being Japanese. However, you can get vaccinated for free at any time. And if you don't get vaccinated you can just not be in public where you will harm people. I'm sorry, in order to learn from the past you have to actually understand what happened and if it applies to the present.
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@Clayton.Bigsby.360 actually lots of laws exist because of what might happen. I can think of an easy health related law. You can't place a palette on its side in a store or warehouse. That's because it might fall over and harm someone. You can't insulate places with asbestos because it might later be mishandled and give someone cancer. Lots of places don't let you smoke in public because the second hand smoke may also cause cancer. The whole concept of a driver's license is that it's illegal to drive, even correctly, if you haven't proven you've prepared and have adequate vision. I guess I can admire your passion but it would help to be right about anything you are passionate for.
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@PathfinderHistoryTravel 1) I don't like the idea of people dying just because they are stupid or gullible. 2) The only way to have actual protection is herd immunity, which is done through vaccination 3) Unvaccinated people are a danger to those around them, even the vaccinated, since nothing is fool-proof. 4) People who have decided not to be vaccinated have, almost universally, done so because of misinformation.
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@PathfinderHistoryTravel If there are systems in place that make sure stupid people don't do stupid things it saves lives. See: seatbelt laws, helmet laws, etc. 2) I don't want there to be unvaccinated communities and there are people there that don't really make much choice being there. 99% is how many don't die- a large percentage of that group is suffering long COVID and have permanent damage. Natural immunity is slow the virus mutates in the process. 3) I'm not for a forced vaccination- but if people want to be in public around responsible people they need to be vaccinated as well.
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I'm not sure how 'hey parents, you can protect your child from the deadly plague and from them killing your parents' is lowest common denominator. Unless you just mean 'basic and functional'. Which I suppose it is.
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@Henzo88 It is a deadly plague. It can kill, even children. And we don't know if the next variant will be more deadly to kids. More importantly, even if it isn't deadly to kids it is a deadly plague which is important when you consider that kids can spread this deadly plague. I don't want my kid being a carrier that kills my parents of their teacher.
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@nullw8768 I mean I'd still say lightning is deadly, I don't know about you. Shame you would be so involved in lies and have an avatar of a character dedicated to revealing the truth. Shame, really. I guess there are FFT fans that suck.
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@nicholasduck9663 vaccines stop the spread of deadly and harmful diseases. Take vaccine, less people get sick. This is good. Listen, I'm smart enough to know a solid argument and I just made one. I can't shoot any holes in this without lying.
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@nicholasduck9663 I have done the reading. It turns out the obvious, expected, common sense conclusion that vaccines stop the spread of viruses is true*. Because of course it is. And I've never heard anyone discourage vaccinated people from getting tested if they are exposed. I'm completely aware that vaccinated people can spread the virus, which is why I encourage social distancing and masking in public, in-door places even if you are vaccinated (also, it's too hard to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated and until we don't have an unvaccinated problem the vaccinated will need to continue doing precautions primarily for unvaccinated people). Vaccinated people catching and spreading COVID is the main reason why I want as much pressure as possible to get unvaccinated people vaccinated. *If you want to be pedantic, you could say it doesn't 'stop' the spread because it's not 100%. It will absolutely limit the spread; makes it less likely to happen. This limitation, lowering of the r value, is what will stop the virus.
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@Clayton.Bigsby.360 Okay, cool, but the vaccine works, is safe and it is going to let us have a functioning economy again. Not my top priority but if you are bothered by inflation then you should be trying to get everyone vaccinated. And if you aren't, don't complain about the economy.
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@nicholasduck9663 That's... already a really small number of people. I mean, lots of people have gotten Covid but, as it gives you some immunity, it makes it pretty unlikely that you'll get it again. If you do get it again it will be like with the vaccine where you are far far far less likely to spread it after immunity due to a number of factors. Add to that that people who've had it before, at least some of them, the ones who survive, are probably likely to be more aware to do things like mask up and social distance while they have it. Sorry, it's been a while and I don't know where this conversation is. I can't imagine this number is actually zero, though. We're at millions of cases in this country at this point? There is no way any factor is a zero.
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But he did take the medicine that is a horse dewormer. Like, sure, he took the human form, but it's still stupid and doesn't work. And the only way other people can get it is from horse supply stores. So, yeah, it's a horse dewormer. Cope harder.
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@AC-wp7em I mean, first off, you can't call it a lie- he did take a horse dewormer. He took the version meant for humans, which he got prescribed because he's rich enough to know a doctor who will prescribe him anything he wants. The rest of us don't have access to doctors without morals that will prescribe us medicines that won't work for what we've got so if we wanted to take this medicine that doesn't work we'd have to go to a feed store. IF the medicine actually worked to help with COVID then I'd bother to reconsider. But it doesn't. It is a dewormer- an anti-parasite. COVID is a virus, not a parasite. We've also studied trying it to cure COVID; it doesn't do anything but make humans sick. I'm just saying, if you want to point a finger at a place where big pharma could be making cash by pushing something that doesn't work I mean this is a great example. So to review; not a lie. Not a plain lie, not incorrect. You could argue it's a bit misleading, but we are talking about a medicine that isn't going to help anyone with COVID. I'm not sure why you want to make sure to be polite and precise with someone using the wrong medicine which could harm people directly who follow suit and gives people the dangerous misconception that there is a 'cure' besides, you know... the vaccine that was made to be a cure.
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@AC-wp7em because calling it a horse dewormer accurately describes how stupid it is to take it. And again, it is a horse dewormer. You conservatives are such snowflakes. "it hurts my feelings that you didn't describe the medicine someone took the right way". Human or horse versions it's pretty much just as stupid. Your issue is imaginary. I'm sorry... facts just don't care about your feelings.
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But kids can still spread it. And kids usually don't want to kill their teachers and grandparents and so most will be happy to be protected.
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@Konghammer1 You do realize how huge a number of people that is, right? And that number will be higher if we don't prevent more deaths? I'm not sure why you are cavalier about death.
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@Konghammer1 I mean the death by plague of the indigenous people of the Americas is probably more apt for your comparison but yeah, this isn't going to kill off the human race. However, I think we can say safely that millions of people dying from something is a big problem. Like, I don't think we have to get to 'this will wipe out humanity' to be freaked out over something. Though, as a side note, more people freaking out about climate change, which is a threat of that level, might not be a bad idea.
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@Konghammer1 Firstly, the poles aren't flipping, that's not a once in a ten thousand year occurrence, it's a once every 100,000 year occurrence and hasn't happened in three quarters of a million years; it doesn't seem to be happening now and further there is no evidence that the last time it happened there was a change in climate on earth. Get better sources of information. This is just rehash of bad doomsday prophecies from 2012. Secondly, while I'd love for there to be more efficient means to transport politicians we are talking about a fraction so small it's not worth talking about. It's also not worth talking about like... the carbon footprint of race cars. This is a major problem with understanding how this works- it's not an individual problem it's a systemic one. Like, those motorcades would have less carbon footprint if they were electric and we had a clean energy grid. But you can't have a motorcade of electric cars because there are only so many power stations and unless we get off of burning coal for electricity it isn't even a benefit for them to be electric. That matters way more than what any one person is doing. No one person makes a difference in climate change unless they can change the system. Like oil execs and politicians; they could change our grid to not be destroying the planet but don't. You are pointing at vague hypocrisy to avoid doing and supporting what needs to be done. You are missing the point. I likewise do not care if oil execs privately ride bikes and use solar powered electric cars; that doesn't change the real problem of constantly feeding our addiction to fossil fuel and avoiding the solution. I want a planet left for my child, I don't have time to give a fuck about a single boat or a motorcade or a private jet. The river is flooding the house and you are worried about faucet that is dripping.
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@Konghammer1 it's virtue signalling. If they were like 'oh, I don't go on the jet' it's just a virtue signal. Maybe it might encourage better behaviour in other citizens but I wouldn't count on it. Most people don't have the option to have private jets. We could save more carbon footprint by enforcing old FAA guidelines about airlines needing to do a certain amount of direct flights rather than doing bullshit hubs to try and save on labour costs. Do I want my reps to do better? Sure, yes. But their personal actions aren't as consequential as their actions to enact laws and regulations to save the planet. As for an electric motorcade, it might work? But that means investing in electric vehicles for congress which means getting that approved and I think that's a fight that won't be easily won by the left. And it won't matter if the power grid is still using coal and oil; in fact it could be worse. Not to mention we need improved infrastructure so clean energy can get to the areas that can't host clean energy plants. There is only so much power that can go through a wire and unless we build bigger, stronger interstate power lines it won't matter if it's green energy. New Hampshire, for instance, has stopped programs for new green energy because they are pretty much entirely on that grid and they can't get enough of it out to areas that need it. This is what I care about. In the worst situation where all the stories you say are true about personal waste of environmentalists I still know that short of getting a third party viable the only chance for the environment is with Dems. I'd love to get to the point where gops are no longer relevant, and then we can go 'I want the environmentalists that never have done anything remotely hypocritical'. But that's not a choice we have right now.
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