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@geoff N ... Very well said! I too have seen this entire thing, but while a couple years ago, I can still vividly recall what a complete arse Dyson is. When one follows a strict doctrine of ideology, it is never a good thing, regardless of what it happens to be. Dyson views the world through the lens of race and therefore cannot see anything outside of that view. Sadly, it is people like him and many others who are held up as beacons of light by the outrage mob and forever cited as continuing the struggle against racism. In reality, they are CREATING more racism and division, as people are tired of being told they are inherently racist, simply for being white. In the end, Marxists like Dyson, will only create more of what they claim to be the bane of black people in America. If it were possible to accurately measure the number of "white supremacists" (by David Duke standards, for example).
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I guarantee the number in 10 years will be FAR greater than it is today. Not only in attitudes like David Duke, but the standard by which one is called a "white supremacist" by people like Dyson. For when a black person is held accountable for his / her actions that negatively affect cohesion of our society, that person IS a "white supremacist", by that standard. Hell, Candace Owens and Larry Elder, among many others I can name, are also considered "white supremacists", by calling them a shill for the white man.
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I honestly am not sure how we are to get out of this mess, people like Dyson have brought among us in society. They are 100% fully committed to the victims narrative and that ANY standard by which they are judged, is unfair and racist at its core. These are the extremists and know nothing of compromise or humility, when it comes to discussion or debate. It is "I am right, you are wrong and racist to even suggest otherwise".
PS> People like Dyson strive and WANT the discussion to drag into the gutter, as emotional dribble is how they subsist in debate. This inevitably will lead to great "video clips" for his followers to use as fodder to defame wonderful humans, such as JBP and Stephen Fry. Both have IMMENSE class and understand this all too well, so they rightfully don't take the bait!
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@hoedenbesteller ... Your "I have seen you looking at me" reference, for some strange reason, brings to mind a short story I would like to convey :) A number of years ago, I was in my work truck, window down and about to turn right at a HUGE intersection. There is one of those small triangular islands for pedestrians between my single RH lane and the rest of the intersection. Anyway, just as I was about to pass by this little island, a pedestrian was hear his finish of crossing the street and getting sort of close to step onto the triangular area. The timing was such, that "who has the right of way", silently comes up and we both need to consider. Generally, I would just wait, but is he going to go another direction and not cross the street I am about to pass and he is still middle of the other street. Well, his "gate", if you will, was that of an bad attitude. No way to describe exactly, but we have all seen people who just "look" like they are pissed without ever interacting with them. Our eyes met and no doubt had an uncomfortable look at him, as I was trying to discern how to proceed. He was STILL in the middle of the other street, when I was to pass the triangle, so waiting would have been a bit premature, in my opinion. So, I opted to continue, slower than normal, but to make that turn and not wait. The moment he was stepping onto the island he looks right at me and says very loudly "F*** you!"
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He saw how I was looking at him and seemingly interpreted it as racially motivated, when it was was not. Long way around the barn here, but in essence, what may be a look of confusion can appear to be one of prejudice by another and this changes due to the history of THAT particular person. sowwy for the long story, but seemed somehow relevant.
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Take care, hoedenbestseller :)
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@phasespace4700 ... I did not say the "I" word was an "excellent treatment" or anything of the kind. I said that it has shown to be somewhat effective, while you said that does not work better than 10 glasses of water and a 2 bananas. You prefer to boil down Bret, Heather and JBP down to a random smattering of specious comments, in order to get my goat or some how convince me and possibly yourself that they are frauds. You choose to play this game, but I don't understand why you bother.
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Do you think that by coming into this thread, spreading your hate you will convince me or others that the years I have followed these individuals was a fools errand? If you want to change someones mind, what you have done here is no way to do so, because you are, again... not being intellectually honest and just speak trash about others.
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Again I say, have a nice day, @phasespace :)
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@axe-z8316 ... Seems you perpetuated the sin of wrong think by mentioning the "I" word in your comment and was deleted by the wonderful anti-authoritarian folks at YT... ya, that was sarcasm :) Maybe if you did a bit more research, you would realize that the "I" word has been used to treat several human diseases / illnesses and actually received a Nobel Peace Prize back in 2015 and has been shown to be to some degree effective with the current death virus that will most certainly claim every life on earth eventually... ya, that was more sarcasm. While I am not saying that such an award is the be-all end all of recognition, it has been used in humans / animals for 6 decades. So you may continue to drink your water as a treatment and hope that it works for you... heartfelt.
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Beyond that point, my notification of your comment runs out of characters it displays, but since your comment has been deleted, I cannot see what it was you said after ..."10 glasses of water". Please, re-post your comment, but avoid using the "I" word this time, as that is VERY likely the reason your comment was deleted.
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NOTE: Welcome to the world of censorship I deal with nearly every day, when using words that our YT overlords have deemed "misinformation". Those that write the algorithm to delete such comments happen to know more about Covid than doctors who were, in-part, LITERALLY the creators of this particular vax treatment process. Uh oh.. there I go with that darned sarcasm again... my bad!
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@glennaddison2745 ... lol :) Ya. I had initially just ignored phases' last query of how has he been intellectually dishonest and left it at that and let this thread fall gently into my past... lol. However, just this morning, I decided that I should follow my OWN rule and continue to engage, so as to forever attempt to reach those who think as phase does. He / she is articulate and obviously considers what it is that he / she is saying, but is also woefully ignorant on all three of those featured in this video.
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So, I actually came back here to find there had been multiple others whom phases attempted to convince of the ineptitude, malice or otherwise idiocy of Bret, Heather & JBP. Upon reading all the subsequent responses, since I was last here, decided to just not bother. Phases is so consumed by the ideological or even pathalogical hatred toward these people with whom he /she disagrees or takes issue, that there is no way to reach any kind of common ground in this context. The never ending straw-man and stripping of context from which all of his / her conclusions are founded upon, this cannot be done anywhere, but in actual person.
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I would be more than happy to have that conversation, but it simply cannot be had here. I have continued to stand by my willingness to forever engage with others to have that "intellectually honest" conversation, but alas... I can make a case for where this person is way off base, I cannot make that person listen when eyes are closed with hands over the ears.
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Peace, Glenn :)
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@phasespace4700 ... Think I'd better just crawl back unto the corner from whence I came, curl up into a fetal position and make that call to mommy for help. Much of what is so sad here, is the old adage... "its not what you say, it is how you say it". There is no reasoning with you, there is no nuance... there is only your aggressively negative opinion spewed at all who have expressed appreciation for what these 3 have and continue to offer them. This, BTW, differs from literally millions, if not hundreds of millions, of people who have been to their lectures, talks, seen interviews and conversations, watched their podcasts, engaged in thoughtful discussion or attended academic courses to learn some of what they have to say and the knowledge they have acquired and the experiences shared throughout their lives.
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You speak through arrogance and aggression toward those who see value in what 3 three bring to this world. You disagree... I get that and is fine. However, you came into this thread with your vile negative attitude that those of us already here must now contend. You're welcome here, just as we all are. You are welcome to your opinion, just as we all are. However, your linguistic attempts to convince others to feel or believe as you do, need some refinement.
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Continue with this, as you must, but know this. I not only disagree with your assessment, I will neither cite "sources" in order to refute what you have said nor spend my energy attempting to convince you otherwise. I will not do so, not because those sources don't exist, but because there is no point in doing so... you have made up your mind. The difference, is that we are willing to continue to listen and evaluate our assessment in an ongoing basis, while you have come to your conclusion, but demand that we share it with you. Sorry... I do not and will not form my opinion, based on someone else's. Stay and continue to fish for engagement or you can leave... it is your call.
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Peace, phasespace :)
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Having seen probably 100 of Jordan's video's, I am constantly bewildered by the arguments made against him.
This whole alt-right, anti-woman, exclusionary and wrecker of "safe-space" rhetoric is so absurd, it is offensive to even give response. None the less, these institutions that so proudly wave the "free speech for all" flag, are the very first to tear that flag down when Jordan's name comes up. The administrators bury the mere thought of a Jordan Peterson lecture under the guise of "protecting our fragile students" under a tattered copy of the US Constitutional Amendments in the basement behind the boiler.
I am proud to be an American supporting a Canadian who has his own copy of US Constitution & Amendments. He carries it around in his head, knows it better than I ever will and doesn't even live in this country.
You administrators will eventually lose this fight to protect your students from all the evils of the world and will eventually be face to face with a demon of your own making...... hell.
EDIT: I am curious about the "... violating more safe spaces soon..." comment. I am watching this video on 9/13/19 and have heard Jordan say that he has worked on better control of his "darker side". My guess is that he would not make such a statement today, as this comment was likely part of that learning curve.
NOTE: If you ask Jordan to speak at your venue, please afford him voice amplification that does not require holding a microphone. He is at his best, when in a seated position and has the use of his hands to better express his ideas.
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For quite some time, I have been very concerned about a civil war, quite similar to 150 years ago, but while it is CRAZY to say, I am in a strange way unhappy that it won't. Hear me out.... The true leftist is NEVER going to fit into the Western World society. They are too ideologically driven and will continue on the offensive until they are "removed" from that society. As it stands now, our society is becoming so broken, that by the time We The People wake the F up to see that this is NOT a political cycle pendulum swing, but rather a fundamental attack on ALL that the west was built upon, it may just be too late to save. Since there is no grand killing in the streets, many people just have no idea how bad it really is! We are absolutely in a civil war right now, it is just of dialog and discourse, so people that don't follow social media or consume something OTHER than just Joseph Goebbles Propaganda Machine, will never understand until it is far too late :(
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@Codex7777 ... Not sure to whom you are replying, but I will chime in here :) At the end of the day, when I say "leftist" or "Regressive" it is most certainly a derogatory term, but am using it not so much a political descriptor, but rather an "ideological" one. While both are probably 100% of the time on the political left, their view of the world is through that of immutable characteristics, such as skin color, race or ethnicity and follow the guise of identity politics.
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Dyson IS a racist... pure, simple! He views his lot in life as a victim of white people and does all in his power to promote that same thinking to anyone who is within earshot. When his influence is not working, he resorts to ad hominem attacks and does all in his power to drag others down into the gutter. That way, he or his followers, can "sound byte" clips from videos to straw man anyone who would oppose his views.
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Dyson is a disgusting PoS and sadly... he has a lot of people who look to him as a beacon of light for black people :(
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This Canadian trucker event is truly heartwarming! Jordan's opening remarks are exactly right, as leftist agitators (BLM, Antifa, angry authoritarian sheep of the State, Turd-eau and the like) WILL infiltrate and seek to cause problems. In all of my 57 years, I have NEVER, EVER, EVER seen such a huge gathering, regardless of the reason, be so incredibly peaceful and just committed to keeping it that way. Of course, Turd-eau is in hiding because he dare not speak to the "fringe, misogynist, homophobic, racist, white supremacist" that lay before his doorstep seeking only to be heard. There is just NOTHING in this world more deplorable in "acceptable society" than the leftists who demonize good, hard working people for wanting to redress grievances!
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I am looking forward to this conversation. Particularly, since I have just recently had a 16 part exchange with a couple of people that troll comments on subjects discussing Jordan. Listening to the response of audience at his introduction, is yet one more indication of how most of the world views this man.
I do not mean to sell Mr. Zizek short, as I have not heard him speak, as of yet. My hope is that he inspires Jordan, as he then reciprocates and this always brings out the best in all participants of the conversation.
.... let the show begin :)
EDIT 1: Jordan just got done with his position on The Communist Manifesto and he was BRILLIANT!!!!! I am 55 and spend my career in a family plumbing business. Did not go past HS education and never regretted it, still don't. But, had I been exposed to Jordan when I was in grade school, I may have still done my family business, but would have done SERIOUS study on all of the subjects of which he speaks and had the richness of mind I feel today, throughout my early life.
EDIT 2: Boy, I wish Mr. Zizek microphone did not have so much static, as combined with his heavy accent, made him difficult for me to follow :(
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What a good looking family with brains to boot [<----- pronounce that a Canadian, ey] ❤
EDIT: I really like where Julian and JBP were going in that @33:00 mark. The idea of just getting those thoughts down and LATER making sense of them. I learned this the hard way, and still fail at times, to not just STOP.... make notes! If I keep going, I will very often lose that thought and may never return. EXAMPLE: Probably, 20 years ago, I was watching late night TV and a show featuring live unsigned bands. I was VERY impressed by this group of 17 yo metal influenced FANTASTIC instrumental only music. I was laying in bed and did not want to walk across the room to get some paper and WRITE down the name, as a website was given, so I hoped I would remember. This has now been that 20 years and I actually regret not getting up and making note of that bands name. Seems silly, but I STILL think of that event, whenever I try to talk myself out of making those notes, while they pass through my brain.
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@CONEHEADDK ... OK, I gotcha :) Was more or less what I thought you were saying, but your concerns of censorship on ANY big tech platform publishing website are valid! I will would like to pass on a method I use to overcome the overlords...
1. If you make a comment that may be viewed as "misinformation", in other words... TRUTH, by our Lord an Master YouTube, copy / paste back up of it PRIOR to posting
2. Post comment and then either refresh the page OR attempt and "edit" of the comment approx. 10 seconds later.
3. If you see "returned error" (lower LH side just under the line) after you try to edit, this means your comment WAS deleted and you are viewing cache
4. If so, hit "CANCEL" and your comment will vanish completely. Reply again, but paste your back up of ORIGINAL comment and add a "-" to break up likely words
5. EXAMPLE: If I write "Barack Obama" in my comment on Jericho Green or ABL's channels... it WILL be immediately deleted by YT algorithm. Therefore, I will write the following..
"Ba-rack O-ba-ma" or "previous 2 term US black president". If you have a LOT of words that require such disguise, make a note at bottom of comment to explain the "-" within
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This will ALWAYS work, but you may need to avoid CAPITALIZING words as well. This can be viewed as yelling and algorithm will sometimes get you for that. It is coming up on 9:00AM PST in what once was "Good Ol' USA", but while it is nowhere near what it is like in some other parts of the world, NY and Comifornia are working on it!
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Good afternoon to you, @BØRGE :)
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@MasonRoyce ... Thank you for your reply :) My question to your first statement is... "how does Sam "KNOW" the concerns about 2020 are lies?" So long as a person can decide that someones voice should not be heard, this is a direct path to tyranny by those who think they know better than everyone else. I used to listen to Sam say over and over again "Trump lies". Look, while I a Trump supporter, I am NOT and apologist for him. I don't leap to his defense, but since Sam DESPISES Trump, he would much rather consider when Trump is wrong it is a lie. Being wrong and telling a lie are two different things, but I don't want to get bogged down in minutia of all this.
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We all want truth! We all want to know what is happening, but when Sam's personal feelings allow him to say, and he said this specifically... "it would be irresponsible to listen to Trump on 2020". Who in the FUCK is Sam to say such an evil thing, when there are millions of Americans who have seen evidence, not claiming proof mind you, EVIDENCE that there were issues that should be addressed in open forum.
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At this point, I think I am just ranting... lol :) you get the point!
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@thst_bot5368 .. Not sure I totally follow you, but I think so :) If I understand correctly, ..."so you're saying" (little JBP humor for ya...lol) that We need to have the discussion, BEFORE one decides another does not value reason or logic... am I correct? If so, I agree, but it is my belief that he has so much hatred for Trump, that has made up his mind that there is nothing he can do or say to persuade him that he can be reasonable, or embrace logic.
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The one thing I keep coming away from with ALL the massive, massive, MASSIVE hatred toward Trump.... is why? There are many people who are vilified throughout history and Hitler is the first to come to many peoples minds. However, he was directly responsible for the push to exterminate 6M people off of this earth in an attempt to eradicate them all. BTW, I get there were circumstances that allowed his ideology to flourish, but that said... there are many who think Trump far worse than Hitler and to my knowledge, Trump has killed less people than Alec Baldwin!
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@thst_bot5368 ... I would not say Trump was a "symptom" he was the response! This nation has had very nearly 60 years of Marxist indoctrination, as I just saw a little bit of it, as I am 57. The level of hate is something I have never witnessed, and to finish a thought I did not in my earlier comment, the level of vitriol is way, way. WAY beyond reasonable and was so from the very start. Trump was EVERYTHING the Marxists stands against, as Trump had ZERO designs of authoritarian control, but just take one small OBJECTIVE look at what we have right now... authoritarian control.
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Look at Australia... the truckers in Canada... leftist governors, mayors and city leaders across the Western World imposing lockdowns, vaccine passports and punishing ANYONE who does not comply with the States view of "acceptable information". Trump stood against ALL that we see now and why to this day, the Regressives are STILL trying to punish him in any way they can. They are simply terrified of him, as there can be no other explanation for the hatred to this degree. I could spend about 15 more paragraphs of the double standards between what they thought Trump was and what Biden and Regressives are!
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I am getting well of track here... lol :) My issue with Sam is that he finds and excuse to say that censorship is not only a good thing... but necessary. There is NO necessary censorship, so Sam is supporting an evil philosophy. Whether it be for a single person or a whole group... nobody should be told to..."STFU because I said so" :)
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@MasonRoyce ... I tend to agree :) While I don't know if there is actual proof of issues with 2020, the problem I have is WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EVEN DISCUSS IT!!!!!!!!! For months, the Democrats claimed the voting machines that were to THEN be used in 2016 were fraught with security issues. If you want to see a montage of all the CURRENT Democrats who said this, look up a video on Zeducation from about a year or so, I think it was. Probably 25 video instances of everyone from Obama, Pelosi, Shumer, AOC and all the rest saying that Trump WAS going to cheat, because the machines were security failures. NOW... fast forward to 2020 when those EXACT SAME MACHINES were used and Democrats say ..."Safest most secure election in history". Oh really..? So the machines were horrible security risk in '16 and NONE in '20?
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This all comes down to not having the discussion. If this were allowed to be in open discussion, yes... it would be a PITA. However, I remember the "hanging chads" of Bush / Gore and Florida votes. The media pounded relentless bad faith of Bush and we saw several weeks of people holding up punch cards and close ups on screen of dimples, misaligned holes, and hanging chads. Now... where is the media demanding that Trump get ANY consideration for his claims that something was wrong. Maybe it was on the up and up, but we well NEVER know, because the entire establishment are Democrats and they will not tolerate the discussion of possible fraud. They want it both ways... To say GOP WILL cheat, so if Democrats lose... "See, we told you so". If they win... "See, it was totally fair and secure".
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The Democrats are saying the same thing AGAIN, about the upcoming '22 & '24 elections. They want to have COMPLETE federal control of voting, because they claim that GOP and conservatives will cheat. All elections should be 100% open to scrutiny by anybody that claims it. We should have a hearing, just as they do in legal cases, to determine if there is enough evidence to substantiate further debate and go from there.
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What we get is... "STFU.. because I said so!" and this is NOT what America was founded upon :)
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@thst_bot5368 .. EXCUSE ME....?!?!?!?!?! While America has never been "Free" in the literal sense of the word, it is... or has been a Democratic Republic. The Regressives most certainly want a Direct Democracy, but that is ONLY because they are currently in power. A true democracy, is 2 wolves and 1 sheep discussing what is for lunch! This is an absolute path to authoritarian tyranny and exactly where the Regressives & Biden admin want to take this country. That said... NO, we are most certainly NOT a communist country, but that is not for lack of trying by the current "leaders" in our govt. I am not going to say it is perfect, but the ONLY problems with this nation is the corruptible nature of the human species. It is simply NOT POSSIBLE to have any "ism" and avoid this issue. We can have all the checks and balances in the world, but there are 2 things that cannot be avoided no matter how many checks and balances one might have....
1. human error
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... since these are inherent to the human condition, we could have communism, socialism, capitalism or any other "ism" you can name and there WILL be those who seek power over others and control them. Capitalism is the favorite target of socialists to say how "evil" it is, but they were failed by their education and I could give a 25 paragraph sermon on how socialists want capitalism, but ONLY for themselves as those who would exercise power over others.
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No, THST... America is most certainly NOT a communist country and there is really only two things that not one other country on the planet has... The Constitution and Bill of Rights. These items are ABSOLUTELY 100% in the way of Regressives press for authoritarian power and are the ONLY things stopping a full on push. That hasn't stopped Biden admin, as he has already violated The Constitution at least twice and will full knowledge that he was doing so. This is not to say there have been times with both left and right have seemingly crossed the line or at least blurred it, but when this happened, both Houses got involve and had a debate and worked it out. There were certainly some who were still unhappy, but we had the debate!.
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This is the absolute #1 issue we are having today is that the Biden admin is doing EVERYTHING via Executive Order. This bypasses the Houses and therefore no discussion is available. The Democrats are ABSOLUTELY FINE with what he is doing, because the Regressives are pulling Biden's strings, as he is nothing more than a puppet for the socialist agenda by Regressives who have taken over the Democratic party. Even with all this, the Joseph Goebbels Propaganda Media Machine, big tech and academia K~college are 100% on board with a socialist America, so they ALL do the states bidding. We can see what is happening in Canada right now. Turd-eau has demonized the Truckers as "fringe, racists, sexists and have unacceptable views" on how Canada should be run. He is a fucking asshole in the highest order to call these EXCEEDINGLY peaceful protests by hard working, tax paying Canadian citizens these things. He is on board with the authoritarian leftists and runs away and hides for like 10 days now, because the last thing an authoritarian can do, is openly address grievances by his population. He is a coward, like ALL authoritarians who hide in their ivory tower and command their subjects to the whims of the day.
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Kinda going off here, sowwy :( In conclusion, I would much rather die on my feet than live on my knees. I have worn a mask EXACTLY 3 times in the last 2 years, as I WILL NOT COMPLY! The other thing this nation has, that no other has is 2a and roughly 300M (could be wrong there) guns that are explicitly stated in The Constitution as a last resort to a government that has turned to tyranny. The current govt. is seeking to exercise its power and the tyranny is well on its way... but I will die to stop it!
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Peace, THST :)
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@thst_bot5368 ... Don't fucking patronize me with... "I know it can be unsettling" bullshit. As I mentioned earlier, there is corruption in EVERY system and is due to the human condition. There is a reason why people ride rafts made of tire inner-tubes, branches and shipping crates to face and open ocean risking exposure, sharks and persecution to flea Cuba. Why others from all around the world have been seeking to find a home in America from all over the world and why we very nearly could have had a massive humanitarian crisis on our Texas / Mexico border some months back. What this country has that no other have to this degree, is the opportunity to thrive and live as humans were intended... live free and prosper. Again, there are issues that get in the way for some, but the opportunity is here and those obstacles can be overcome.
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The principles on which this nation was founded are like no other in the world and is precisely why we have, so far, avoided the fate of many Western nations around this globe. Now, Regressives are doing EVERYTHING they possibly can to undermine all that this country was founded upon, but we WILL work it out. There is without a doubt major, if not outright catastrophic damage to our society that we will not know in our lifetimes and will be a DIRECT response to the actions of Marxist Democrats (Regressives). I think that we have had it so good for so long, in terms of generalized peace and prosperity, combined with Marxist indoctrination that the "evil" rich people seek to dominate the underclass. Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates and others could have $1T dollars and has ZERO effect on yours, mine or anyone's ability to do the exact same thing.
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What this does NOT account for, is those two things I mentioned in my earlier comment... error and or malice. These simply cannot be avoided... PERIOD! There are no perfect systems, because 100% of them are created / implemented / run by humans. So you can apply aspects of communism to America in the limited social safety net, but that is the rub, isn't it? Countries that have a full safety net may not have some of the issues we have in America, there is a huge price paid by others who have to support many of those who are just too lazy to do for themselves. This is certainly not ALL of them, but they ALL have or had an opportunity to be that Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates.
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That is NOT something one can achieve in China, Cuba or any communist nation on this earth!
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Peace, THST :)
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While I don't have the education of Jordan, I do have more then adequate intelligence to discern most of what he says. While I do not have his command of the English language, my own education allows me to understand most of his topics. Beyond this, there is no way for you to determine whether I do or do not have the ability to discern the validity of what he says :)
For example, I have no issues at all understanding his position on why he opposes C-16 or what he discussed with Cathy Newman, as a good example of why I appreciate his point of view. Do I worship the ground he walks on...? no. If my initial comments gave you that impression, you read something into them that I did not say. I will admit, that when he gets deep in discussion with Sam or Matt Dillihunty about God, some of the words and / or concepts can escape me, but I get the gist of what he is saying.
Why would you say "much of what he says must be a lie"? I have heard enough conversations he has had with many different people and have not heard anybody call him out as you have. Some disagree, but those I've seen deny science and get cornered by their ideology and end up with "so you're saying" type of response.
I would ask that if you feel he is a fraud or delusional, contact him for a Skype debate.
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As mentioned above, I have seen propably 100+ hours of his lectures, speeches, debates and discussions. I cannot speak to the 4 you have seen, but you would need to give me an example of inconsistency, as I have not seen it. I am not saying he is incapable of making a mistake, but never seen him talking out of both sides of his mouth.
Jordan is an extremely deliberate speaker and have heard him say he will re-think a position if he gets a good rebuttal. Have also watched him say directly that he will not answer a question, as he has not given the topic enough consideration to hold a debatable position. I have never seen him take any position that he does not feel is correct and he says continually that one should never tell a lie or say something that one knows to be untrue.
With the thousands of hours on line and the EXTREME scrutiny he has received by the SJW crowd, if there were even one instance found of hypocrisy or lies recorded, it would be used by the founder to take him down. If there is such a recording, I would honestly like to know.
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I just realized, I missed one or two of your comments above, so will get back to them. The following, is in regards to my being in the "cult" of Jordan. Honestly, I find that analogy to be very rude.
Please explain to me where I said that I ingest everything that Jordan says as beyond question. I am not religious and have only watched 3 or 4 videos of him regarding God and the origin of truth. The existence of God cannot be proven to exist or be false and the topic is essentially kryptonite to Jordan. Try as he may, he cannot articulate some things, as they are just beyond his words. Does that make him a liar or deceitful? Apparently, you seem to think so. I am not religious and just don't find those particular discussions to make any headway. Neither Matt or Sam are going to change their position and seems to me that anyone attempting to "prove" the existence of God, particularly to an athiest, is just doomed to failure.
As for C-16, I am not going to debate the specifics of what is or is not in the bill. Jordan has shown several pages in these videos and see why he has an issue with it. Just as Jordan, I feel that free speech is probably the single most important amendment, as nothing can be resolved without speaking ones mind.
Saying someone is a liar is much different than saying someone is wrong about something. One is intentional misrepresentation of the truth, while the other is an error. I am not going to argue for or against either one, with the information I currently have. I certainly cannot vouch for everything he says on C-16, nor would I have any reason to do so, I understand his point of compelled speech and in his corner on that.
You have obviously found some issues with him and decided to discredit him completely, that is your right.
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@Nathan Miller ... We can look back to the 1950's, when a Joseph McCarthy spoke of the dangers of those who would support social / communism. While his methods were 100% as bad as the leftist cult we see today, he was SPOT ON with his analysis of the danger. I was born in '64, so was slightly ahead of the Marxist takeover in the public school system. However, I distinctly recall being taught that by the year 2K, the world would "run out of oxygen", due to the rate at which the Amazon Rain Forest was being cut down by capitalist pigs. Well, here we are in 2022 and not 2 years ago, we had AOC telling us that we all have 12 years, before the oceans begin to rise and will be too late to address the "climate crisis". I don't think there is anyone, who would like to see less crap put into the air, but unless the ENTIRE globe is on board, industry just moves to China, Mexico or India.
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Kinda took us off the rails there, but shows how the Marxist is all about fear mongering and seeking opportunity to seize power!
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I not only dig Jordan Peterson, but appreciate his passion for communication of ideas.
Unfortunately, I think that passion can get mislabeled as anger or aggression and the short-sided view of some listeners discount the message. Those very listeners are the ones that most need exposure to his way of thinking about ideas. The world could, and is indeed, learning a lot from this man and is becoming a better place as a result. I have watched / heard many, many, MANY hours of his speaking, so have heard many of his ideas expressed many times. The thing is, and has mentioned this several times, he doesn't so much lecture, as just have a conversation.
As a result, those ideas get expressed with different examples and in a completely different way, as he actually selects individual members of an audience with whom he is speaking. Those people know this, as he looks directly at them to make sure he is engaging in meaningful conversation. If he is not, he changes or steps up his game, just as anyone would in a one on one conversation with their best friend, wife, husband, son or daughter.
He is always "working it out" during his talks, so the idea is continually fresh...... great stuff Jordan :)
EDIT: @34:40 is a perfect example of how Jordan "thinks" aboot what he's saying (not a type-o, silly). During the question posed, he pauses for over 10 seconds and decides not to speculate. He does not venture out into uncharted expression without at least a good road map of where he wants to go. If he hasn't spent serious consideration to a specific idea, he will not try to express it and then just hope for the best. I personally think, he likes to examine up to about 90% of an idea and then "work it out" in conversation. He knows the beginning and the end, but prefers the real-time experience to do the math.
This world would have far fewer instances of hostility and violence, if we ALL thought before we spoke.
NOTE: Jordan is constantly pulling his wedding ring up and down his finger. I have seen this in all of his videos, but not yet figured out if it is a "sign" as to his mood or if he is pushing his limits of knowledge or whatever.... curious.
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@mikekane2492 ... Michael.. YOU ARE SPOT ON! :)
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The reason he is so best know is the finest example of all. He, and I am in 1 Billion % in agreement, has a major issue with compelled speech and was his ONLY issue with C-16. However, since trans people were the focal point of that compelled speech, he was insanely attacked as transphobic. The fundamental issue is that the past few generations were not told how to think....but rather what to think! Were those who are so critical not taught to think in the simplest of terms, they would be able to separate Jordan's issue with C-16 and trans people.
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Sadly, these are the generations to "lead" the world when the last "thinking" generation of you and I are gone. They will absolutely lead the Western world to ruination, if they are to have their way. I hate to be so bleak, but I am a realist and while the numbers of such people are relatively VERY, VERY few, they are in positions of great power. They run big tech and they are ever changing the definitions of words that have been well defined for millenia. I have had plenty of conversations with such people and their idiotology will not address issues with reason, logic or common sense..... only an emotional response triggered by the subject at hand. What makes this 1000 times worse, is that we don't even speak the same language, as they bludgeon us with terms that have that 1000 years of accepted definition. In the same conversation, they will use that same word in a context stripped of that concrete definition and now define it in a whole new way. They very well know exactly what racism means and what it is to invoke in one whom is accused of such actions, thought or speech. However, in the context of when THEY are giving us an oral history of the world, racism becomes "Power + Privilege".
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Sorry, Mikee... went off on a bit of a tangent there! Cheers :)
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@artificial-frequencies ... Absofreakinlutely! :) "A lie travels half way around the world, before the truth has time to put its pants on" is a line I have heard many times. People have become so accustomed to the "high" of emotional reaction, it is like a drug. How many times have we heard..."white cop shoots unarmed black man", only to find out 2 days later that the FULL video gives a VASTLY different story of events? Look at Jacob Blake for a perfect example! This guy was a complete human un-being PoS in every way imaginable, yet he was regarded as a victim of "racist cops". By the time we see the FULL video, the damage has already been done, remember Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha? Even after seeing his actions, people have so conditioned themselves to be outraged, they STILL cannot see anything but a black man, who was selling Boy Scout cookies, walking little old ladies across the street and an upstanding pillar of society gunned down by a "white supremacist, racist cop who was hunting black people".
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When we have a society that WANTS to be outraged... I don't know what we can do, other than wait for this psychosis to pass :*(
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Alessandro LinuxBSD ... Yes, maybe I was not clear :( I think that there is SO much available information, we end up thinking we will miss something, if we don't pay attention. As a result, we end up "ingesting" a TON of info, but never actually "digest" it.. or at least most it! Jordan has spoken of hierarchy as a necessary tool humans use to make their way through the world. However, when it comes to social media, it becomes exceedingly easy to put ones focus on what SOMEONE ELSE has got them fired up. We get caught up in the outrage, because emotion goes from zero to infinite in 2.5 nano's and think to ourselves... "Oh, my friend would "like" this video clip, so it gets forwarded onward. Humans have always wanted validation in one way or another, but what validates us in the age of social media, is the insanely shallow "like" button. This is why virtue signaling is so insane from the leftist. The blinders of the ideology are so fixed, that even when one DOES see the entire Jacob Black video, the only thing they actually SEE.... "white cop murders unarmed black man".
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As I mentioned earlier, many, many years from now, social media as we have it today, will be the topic of immense study by the philosophers and writers of that day!
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Those who stood their ground, along with those who supported the Canadian Truckers are nearly Gods, in my estimation. They were the most civil, respectful, kind, courteous and wonderful "occupiers" the world has EVER Seen and did not deserve what that fascist Turd-eau did to them. Hiding out for, what.... 3 weeks? only to go WAY, WAY, WAY beyond and reasonable measure to punish not only those protesters, but hunt down ANYONE who was guilty of going against the will of the state, via "wrong think" or financial support. Turd-eau is FAR worse than Biden and that was a very difficult thing for me to admit to myself.
EDIT: Oh my F'ing GOD, sorry Jordan :( ... But seeing Turd-eau speak, makes my blood BOIL in rage! This guy is a truly despicable, disgusting, vile garbage un-human and too many of our fine Canadian friends support him!
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