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Comments by "" (@NinjaKittyBonks) on "Youtube Just Launched MASSIVE New Censorship \u0026 It Gets Worse! Dr. Eric Berg \u0026 Others Shadow Banned" video.
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@InvincibleSol ... OK... than YouTube is NOT a "platform" it is a "publisher". That means, it can be sued for slander, liable and any number of things EXACTLY the same as a news paper.
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Section 230 protects YouTube and social media, from such suits, because it is impossible to remove any and all liable content, by 1B plus people 24/7/365. This is what is called a "platform". When Random House publishes a book, they MUST be extremely careful, that the content does not put them in possible legal trouble, because they are responsible for the content they publish in their books.
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Social media needs to make a choice. Are they a "platform" or a "publisher". Section 230 protects them from liable on one end, but they become a "publisher" when they edit content. YouTube, like nearly all of social media, is playing BOTH sides here and we are in the middle.
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@InvincibleSol ... OK. The opening part is exactly what I said. Platforms are protected from liable. I am going to research what I am missing or where I am wrong. I totally get that it is the govt. that is not allowed to violate 1a, but we also know that Twitter had regular meetings with fed officials in order to moderate "misinformation". No matter how we slice it, Twitter was working with the state and that is a violation of 1a, for those whom live in America. No evidence that YouTube was doing that, but they are in political LOCKSTEP with Democratic party, Biden admin and nearly all of the big players in social media, so we should all be EXTREMELY concerned and pissed off. Hell, they censored 100% legit doctors with science based knowledge, over the propaganda of the CDC, and they are STILL doing that.
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I am gonna get back to you on this. Either way, the world is is GRAVE trouble, when our flow of information is controlled by ideologues. In the current case, it is the leftist cult, but would be 100% just as evil, were it to be equally far to the right and they were deciding what is and is not "misinformation".
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The fact that the "Town Square" is being moderated by twenty-something Marxists should disturb the HELL out of all of us.
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@InvincibleSol ...UPDATE: I have done some digging and found the document that provided me with the info I outlined (not so well) in my earlier comment.
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Trump was quite concerned with the abuse of the "good faith" arguments to censor speech within online platforms. Section 230 was initially created, to address what we all recognized, until the Marxists tookover the left side of the isle, as "harmful" speech. Things like pr0n, threats of violence or that might be interpreted (in good faith) as a call for mob action and the like. These were traditionally reserved for news papers and news outlets, who had to expressly print or verbalize what could be interpreted as the above.
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Since social media is for all intents and purposes, the NEW newspaper or "Town Hall", they have very nearly taken over the means of discourse and they hide behind private business to control what is and is not said in the "Town Square". While this is not illegal, it is a breach of trust and since the traditionally left-leaning media has 100% abandoned ANY pretense of objectivity and nearly all of social media is ideologically aligned (as well as Democratic party & Biden admin), this has created an EXTREME threat to open debate and discourse. Since information to challenge the states narrative is systematically removed, repressed, censored and controlled, "We The People" are losing our right to free flowing information.
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I am a libertarian at heart, so I DEPLORE govt. telling private business what they can and cannot do. However, we must also recognize the "Town Square" is now social media and when world renown doctors are deplatformed, censored and removed from the discussion (as most of social media had and continues to do), there is just cause for legislation to prevent such over-reach, as initially outlined in Section 230.
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@InvincibleSol .. Thanks and backatcha 🐱. As I said, it is not illegal for them to censor, but is is antithetical to the values upon how the West, but specifically America in this case, was built. In the end, this comes down the foundational values upon how this country was prescribed to deal with political disagreement. The idea put forth by the Founding Fathers, was to discuss and debate ideas, so that we don't have the tyranny of a King that was ruling England, at the time. In order for a society to have peaceful governing, we were set up to debate and address all of the issues at hand.
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Now, as we both understand, private business has no such obligation, but what we see happening ls LITERALLY tearing our society apart. These social media platforms, Google (YouTube), FB and many others manipulate algorithms, search results, shadowban, censor, remove and delete peoples social media presence. This not only causes direct harm to those of whom much of this happens daily, but it has a overall chilling effect on those who fear removal of content or accounts and self-censor.
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Hell, we know for a FACT that our US tax dollars were used by the FBI to work directly with Twitter, as well as contact FB and I am sure some other private businesses to meet with them on stopping "misinformation". To just contact them, is to instill a fear of possible federal legislation or other un-named threat to a private business. No threat has to be given, for one to have been made. THIS is a a direct assault on 1a and is a Constitutional violation of American citizens rights. It is committing treason upon America citizens and is what fascism looks like. Since Biden admin was 100% committed to the CDC for any and all concerns about Covid and nearly all of social media platforms are in ideological lockstep with them, they, along with Joseph Goebbels Propaganda Media, ALL provided the SAME information and controlled what we could see and hear.
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Remember when Joe Rogan was prescribed the "I" word when he got sick with Covid? Well, that word was all but banned on nearly all of social media, so doctors were silenced, content removed, accounts locked and eliminated, so a MASSIVE amount of people were in the dark about the actual dangers of this illness and which ages, conditions make it more of a threat. The overwhelming message from all of them, was essentially Covid = death. The fact that average children up to the age of 20 yo (not obese or having multiple co -morbidities), are WELL under .01% chance of death. That did not stop ALL of them from omitting facts and removing those who were trying to get the word out.
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CNN repeatedly said that Joe Rogan was taking horse dewormer and scared the HELL out of the public who were stuck at home with little but social media and legacy news to "inform" them of what was happening in the world. Again... Social media has ZERO legal obligation (TV and print are not so free legally) to make sure we get all of the available information. However, when they ACTIVELY engage in censorship to remove information that aids ALL of society to be better decisions, they have engaged in an evil upon the moral obligations of that society.
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Many would not like my using "evil" here, but there is no other way to spin it, when we see fear porn they drive and carry ALL of the Biden's water.
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I get that I have gone well off topic of Sec 230, but when those who bring us news are as GD'd malicious as these private companies are, they need to be held account. Sec. 230 was NEVER intended to insulate such manipulation of the flow of information, because when it was written, there was no concept of the internet and how it would absolutely DOMINATE the means in which the entire world gets its news. As I said, I am very much a libertarian, but if private company that has absolutely IMMENSE reach and influence does what Google, FB and others are doing, debate must be had and discussion must take place, in order to address the monopoly they have on flow of information.
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If the mainstream media were to "hold truth to power", as they are ethically obligated to do, social media would NEVER get away with what it is doing.
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