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@Richard_Potato …. But the employee IS the one who will pay the price of safety, NOT the store owner. If this guy was locked behind a cage or something, then coming out to attack would not be the same thing.
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In this case, he had LITERALLY 2 seconds to take action. Had he only shoved or punched, let’s say and the guy ducked or was not otherwise incapacitated. Then, he strikes back while the other guy comes from behind in less than 3 seconds. He now has 2 guys on him and the guy in back smashes his head or pulls his own weapon…. he is now dead
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So, in the span of LITERALLY 5 seconds, he goes from just hitting this guy to being dead or seriously wounded. It is INCREDIBLY easy to sit back from the comfort of our desk, with two weeks to consider 1000 options, zero risk and with full knowledge of everything that has happened since and say “woudla shoulda coulda”.
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It sucks that this guy had to make that choice, but he had only 2 seconds to take ALL of the possible scenarios into account, his previous life experiences and act. We can say… “it was only $150 of stuff that wasn’t even his”, but it IS his life that could easily be taken, if the one guy ducks a punch and the other joins from behind.
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The legalities will get worked out, but speaking strictly from a moral perspective…. I have no issue whatever with his actions.
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EDIT: Let's say, he stood back and LET them take stuff. What if they smell fear and BOTH attack him suddenly from each side? He now has 2 guys on him and he is in REAL trouble. He tried to do the right thing and allowed them the freedom to get away with theft, but what if that proved not to be enough? What if the wanted to get greedy and go for the cash register?
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@ariel-y-e-m ...Yes. Had he fumbled with the door for a moment and not just walked up, ripped off the signs, reached directly for the alarm, pulled it and immediately walked away, we give some degree of generous interpretation.
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Of course, given what we can see he did on video, which SHOULD have been released, in lieu of a still a couple weeks ago... it is perfectly clear his intent was to cause a disruption. That disruption was a direct threat to the vote process, of which he has admitted was forefront in his mind.
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He is guilty as sin here, but it will make absolutely ZERO difference to anything. Media, Dem's will cover for him, GOP has NONE balls, so will not pursue the legit charges he should be facing and the state will continue along its path of destruction.
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@swannydabs620 ... I would probably do the same thing, but we must look at this from BOTH perspectives:
a: If Ahmaud was NOT guilty of anything and no idea why two guys would get out of trucks and confront him with a gun, it would be reasonable to think that these guys were NOT reasonable and therefore take the first opportunity to take them by surprise. I don't know if I would have done that, but either way, Ahmaud felt that was the thing to do.
b: If Ahmaud WAS guilty of stealing stuff and had committed a crime, based on his criminal history, he knows that getting arrested would be a very bad thing. I don't know anything about details of his history with police, but if was very violent, as I think Sean mentioned in this video, than can we be surprised that he would go for a gun, given EITHER of the two above scenarios?
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I don't know how privy those who stopped him were on the legal history of Ahmaud, but not likely they knew much. Again, hindsight is 20/20, but citizens arrest is ALWAYS going to be a fine-line thing for those doing the arrest legally, but there is just no telling how the person is going to react. Since you are not a cop, this person has no reason to think you would be accountable to anyone for your actions, as police have to follow the law or your case might be thrown out or something. I don't know if audio of their interaction was recorded on that video, but for all Ahmaud knew, these two were just a couple looking to be hero's.
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Based on all of the incredibly insane level of leftists self-victimization, we also have to recognize that Ahmaud may feel that America IS full of racists looking to lynch PoC, so reacted as such. Now, you and I know that is all a TOTAL CROCK OF SHEET, but if Ahmaud fell victim, no pun intended, to this line of thinking, than society has taught him to believe that a white guy with a gun is certain death!
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One thing is for certain, had this IDENTICAL scenario happened, say 10 years ago, I think that Ahmaud would have held still until cops arrived. Since Regressives have taken power and the State, Joseph Goebbles Propaganda Media Machine, big tech, all of academia, BLM, Antifa and the Twitter mob have had the last 6 years to beat the drum on "systemic racism", this has most definitely had a profound effect and very well led Ahmaud to make a decision, he may not have made, in say 2012!
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For those I was talking in chat...
1) I support the McCloskey's 100% in what they did, say lack of trigger discipline on her part
2) I wish she would have NOT pointed the gun around as she did
3) Doing this widened the door for corrupt leftist prosecutors to press charges (whether BS or not, they now have charges they must fight)
4) Trigger discipline, as @I Am Bob pointed out, was my ONLY issue here!
While the mob had NO RIGHT WHATEVER to be on that property and I have NO ISSUE WHATEVER WITH THEM FEARING FOR THEIR LIVES by the McCloskey's, the laws regarding brandishing
weapons varies from state to state. Seems they were 100% in the right for this state, and any as far as I am concerned, pointing a weapon at random people is a problem. If unloaded, fake or anything, if the gun is presumed to be real, anyone in front of that gun is reasonable to fear for their life. While I don't have any personal issue with them being afraid for their life, holding finger on a trigger of a REAL gun can VERY easily lead to discharge due to sudden loud sound or response by a "peaceful" protester throwing something. While I would still argue they are protecting their homes and lives as owners, the law has some difficulty defending killing of a person because he threw an orange or yelled.
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@godzillamegatron3590 ... what? Biology drives nearly all of our actions as humans, but we continually try to "over-ride" that biology with the whims of societal mandates on all kinds of things. Take gender, for a perfect example! There are EXACTLY 2 genders that exist in human beings. That is fact and cannot be disputed, by any uniformly recognized metric. Now, there are inter-sex people, who have physical attributes that conform to both male and female anatomy, but they are very rare. That does not mean we should not treat them as humans, of course we should. However, we have a society today that is trying to claim that "gender" and "biological sex" are different and no such argument can be made, without the never-ending revolving door of leftist word games that are designed SPECIFICALLY to trip up others when in discussion / debate.
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There are most certainly different races of people, as evidenced by skin color, shape of the eyes and what-not, but that we are ALL human and biology is universal between ALL of them. Sure, there are societal variations of cultural preferences for music, food and a billion other things, but THAT is what makes the human experience so beautiful. We have a MEGA sheet-ton of various religious and spiritual values and beliefs, but this really only becomes an issue when one is attempting to force THEIR values / beliefs upon one another person not interested in adopting all or some of them. There are those that go out of their way and seek out others for which to apply such pressure to change, but these are very few, as the overwhelmingly VAST amount of people just want to live their lives and be left alone by such demands of others.
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For some 10K years, humans have lived by this code, both written and un-written and the wars we have seen, are often caused by one society seeking another to conform to ITS will, ways or values. This lead to countries, states and nations, as groups of like minded people tend to flock together and has served the world pretty well, overall. I am glad to year you say you are proud of the USA, as I am, but there are many who would not dare say such a thing. It is most ironic, that those who would condemn the USA for being "racist" or "homophobic", are able to openly do so BECAUSE they are in USA and afforded The Constitution and Bill of Rights affording them the GUARANTEED right to express that hatred or condemnation of this country.
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I support the rights of those who wish to make such condemnation, but it brings me never ending frustration to see that they are seeking to destroy the VERY THING that has afforded them the voice to speak out and say as much! For the record, I have no problem with you, nor your views. While I will push back on what I disagree, I will not be disrespectful, unless another brings it down to such a level. I am a 1a absolutist and I want to hear what EVERYONE has to say or what they think, REGARDLESS of how politically correct, evil or hatred they may spew. For the light of day is the best disinfectant and when voices are silenced, they do not go away, they simply go underground. Others who have the SAME, let's say anti-social voices, WILL find them and create an information bubble of ALL like minds. This is when we have a MASSIVE problem, as those voices will often grow to resent those who have outcast them, mainstream society, and far too often lash out in acts of terror.
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I am getting off track here, but I would like you to consider more of the questions on my list. I think there was about 6 or 7, but I find you interesting to converse, so would like to hear your thoughts :) Peace, GodzillX... lol ;)
PS> Been giving all the names of people to which I reply in this thread, the "X" treatement :P
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@sargechurch1 …. There have always been events in history where things like this happened. However, EVERYTHING is being recorded now and the stories situations that go horrible wrong, go viral.
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No doubt that hundreds, of times a day, one person sticks up for another and ends with simple argument or maybe a brief fight. When someone dies, and this is at least the 2nd time in a few months, people have this burned into their memory, so far less likely to get involved.
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Compound all of this with WOKE DA’s who don’t even pursue justice far too often, so why even put yourself out there. More and more people will opt to just allow a PoS to berate another and just walk away.
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This WILL lead to more people acting like this guy, because there are rarely any legal consequences. If the guy is black…. he is all but guaranteed to not only avoid legal trouble, but BLM and Antifa may just burn a store to the ground in your honor!
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@ariel-y-e-m ...Agreed. He walked up and ripped the sign off one and sort of swatted at the other, then immediately for the alarm. The frustrating thing about ALL of this, is the initial cover up by the Capitol Police, who released a still image, rather than the entire video. They had to WATCH the video, manipulate the pause, so as to freeze on the pulling of alarm, when just releasing the video would have told the ACTUAL whole story.
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The same Capitol police did the SAME thing, with Jan. 6th footage, that we only found out, due to Tucker showing it after Elon got involved. The Capitol police have a TON to answer for here and all over the place (remember the riot in front of 1600 when Trump was POTUS?) Look at the footage of Jan. 20th, 2017, when a riot that was worse than Jan. 6th disrupted Trumps inauguration. The Capitol police have UTTERLY failed this country as they work NOT for the American citizens, but the Democratic party.
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@Goulash45 .. My moral compass is just fine, thank you.
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You continue to say “small amount of merchandise”, as if they have a right to just walk in and take it. Let’s say he totally complies and sits there and lets them steal. How long can these two be expected to stop “shopping”?
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Is it reasonable they will just grab, what $50 worth of stuff and then just leave? How long before they realize he is not going to resist and they keep “shopping”? Why not…? He is not going to resist, why not go for a bigger payday and hit that register?
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Is he supposed to say..”oh, excuse me…. I will just allow you to step past me and get to the register”. Do you really think that is realistic? Do you think these two might feel like he needs to be taken out of the equation?
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Suppose one makes a move for the register and this guy is pressed into a situation in which he is face to face and the guy behind clocks him with something? If he is not resisting, it is completely reasonable to assume they will get more aggressive.
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Does the schoolyard bully just have his fill of harassing someone, or does he get emboldened by the weak prey and step up his abuse? On top of ALL this….. the entire situation happened in the matter of a single moment. One minute he is finishing his cup of coffee in the back room and the next he has two guys with ski masks jumping his counter.
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Simply amazes me how you can sit back and judge this guy, when you have no GD idea what it it is like or if one or both of them will get the SAME fight response he had and attack with a weapon of his own.
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What if this was your wife, husband or child and saw two guys jumping the counter? What would you do…. Oh, don’t tell me, let me guess. You would hop on the phone, call your lawyer and have all of the laws explained, so you would have the legally measured response.
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Ya, see how that works out for your family member who very well could be needing emergency surgery or a coroner,
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@kennethburmeister8119 ... I am not emotional, I am passionate. You are correct that Joe doesn't owe me a damned thing, but rather owes something to himself... dignity. He is playing fair with an intellectually dishonest opponent who does not want to hear him apologize.. they want him to be gone. Joe is too experienced and too sharp not to get this, here he is trying to placate an angry mob that wants his head on a platter.
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Is it fair of me to ask that HE do something for the rest of our benefit...? no, it is not. He has no responsibility to anyone but himself and, in the context of his podcast... Spotify. It is certainly his choice to handle this his way, but he will come to find out that his bending the knee to unreasonable demands, will be a net loss on both ends. They will NEVER accept any apology, regardless of how many times or how sincere it may be and he has lost respect from many who once supported him. I have no business putting the weight of society on his shoulders, but of all people that tell them to F off... Joe Rogan is in better position than nearly anyone in this country.
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Even though I have no right to demand this of Joe Rogan, what he has done has most certainly caused harm. It has further emboldened the outrage mob and, in turn, emboldened Spotify to make additional demands that Joe bend the knee for "peace". There can be no peace with the outrage mob and Rogan has poised himself to learn this lesson the hard way.
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Peace, Kenneth :)
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@jdmac157 ... First: OK, just watched the entire Bernard Goetz interview from LINK above. Second: I have ZERO training / schooling as psychiatrist in any way, shape or form, so the following is 100% my take on what was shown in that video and the little that I recall from when it occured
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ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING is the only way I can describe how Bernard spoke on what led up to and including the events of that day. He was brutally honest and did not hide or shy away from anything and laid bare his very soul to be judged by anyone who were to see that recording. I was especially impressed with the jury members that were interviewed and specifically how Ms. Serpe very intellectually broke down her interpretation of Bernard speaking to the Cabey. I thought she understood and found words to describe how many of us respond or think in the past-tense and find a way to relay those details to another, as if they happened in real time during an event. It is extremely clear to me that Bernard was VERY, VERY traumatized from his being mugged 3 years earlier and was not known to me until the last couple days.
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Bernard had literally years to think about the events of that 1st mugging and slowly built up the determination to avoid such treatment in the future. However, I cannot say he was "looking for trouble", but was able to recognize it when he was exposed to it. When he described in great detail talking with these 4 and how they positioned themselves to be on each side of him, there is NO PERSON ON PLANET EARTH who would not see that as a threat. I don't care if it was 4 priests with Bibles, it would still make someone weary of being surrounded or movement prohibited. His description of verbal exchanges, motions and such by all involved, were very detailed and probably rehearsed in the days prior to turning himself in to police.
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What was equally fascinating, if not disturbing, is those that were pushing a racial angle. There was absolutely nothing in what Bernard said at any point, to suggest any kind of racial bias or factor in any way. One of those interviewed mentioned this specifically and pointed out how nearly impossible it would be to hide racial motivation by someone so distressed as Bernard was, during this video. It just goes to show that there are always some who will always play the race card and is 10 fold in current society. Just as Bernard took exception, so did I with the off-camera psychologist, I suppose she was, asking..."Why these 4 people". Clearly, such a question was designed to initiate some kind of uncontrolled response to manipulate Bernard into saying something racist or that he was looking to take someone out. Bernard answered her question with much more control than I think I would have, as I would have fallen into her trap. It was also particularly frustrating to hear the prosecuting attorney saying that anyone who is NOT a racist, cannot possibly have not found him guilty. Essentially, impugning the jury as idiots or just plain stupid, as to not see that he over reacted to a group of people on the subway.
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Bernard Goetz was about as honest, open and forthcoming as anyone I have ever seen regarding any event. In the end, the one conclusion I was unable to escape was that Bernard was VERY clearly a much different man after that 1st assault and played out ways he would respond differently, should something similar happen again. The psychology he used and broke down to very fine detail, shows that his response to this attack was much more thought out than I believe most people would consider, should they find themselves in the same situation.
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It is not possible to know what would have happened, if he had just given them $5.00, but in my opinion, he was 100% justified in making the first move, so to speak, in defense of his life. What was also telling was the pending cases and current jail time for a couple defendants who testified at the trial. These were career criminals who were no stranger to doing bad things to random people, so they got what such people nearly always get... dying by the sword in which they lived.
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Peace to you, John Daniel :)
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@chocomalk ... Ya, legally, there is probably no distinction, but assassination sounds worse than "just" murder to me. I guess it was the 100% unsuspected nature of it all. Murder seems more befitting of a person in a bank, for instance, that is 1st degree killed to send a message of meaning business by the robbers. On a side note, I keep thinking about all of this is that the defense and EVERYBODY else is perfectly willing to throw "corn rolls guy" under the bus as the actual killer. I am guessing there must be a legal reason why they technically cannot prosecute him for this crime, therefore BOTH would go free or escape death penalty. Not sure why JJ is such a prize and the other guy is worth throwing to the wolves, so to speak.
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On a more lighthearted note, and Sean pointed this out.... the media framing this town at the time of a bunch of white supremacists and racists looking to convict JJ because he is black, but the only other person to blame is ALSO black! The complete lack of ANY intellectual comprehension is beyond words and only a leftist could possibly take this stance, but not given a moments notice to how it looks to the rest of us.
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@senorpepper3405 ... Yup, but in my day, it was the pulling of hair. Now, some pulled VERY hard and occasionally ripped out a lock of it. I am sure there was some torn scalps, just as guys would sometimes break noses or maybe a cheek or something.
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This is next level sheet right here and I never saw anything anywhere even remotely close to what we see today. Now, to be fair, none of us had cell phones, as there was no such thing, much less the internet, at the time. However, if someone was killed or VERY seriously injured, the news would cover it. Of course, the SAME "news" agencies still have the same 3 letters, but they do not cover this at all or gloss it over with "misunderstanding" or "altercation". They don't say the one kid attempted to murder the other, when he / she was unconscious or otherwise unable to continue fighting.
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@Neo One ... As Sean mentioned in this video, there are a number of reasons:
1. She is pretty. We can all say how sad it is that we put such a priority of physical appearance to raise her level of importance, but need only look anyone who is used to advertise a product. We are particularly driven by the sight of a pretty person, but most specifically women
2. Lots of video and particularly that of joy: The media LOVES to have new video, as it $ell$ the news to juxtapose many happy "full of life" images, against the idea she has very likely been killed. The media, and by extension, its audience is particularly drawn to this narrative and speaks pretty sadly about both.
3. He returns home alone: Not only that, but he immediately lawyers up, does not say word and later disappears completely.
4. The police made some mistakes: While it can be seen as hindsight to say "she would still be alive, if the police had made arrests and brought them into custody, after being pulled over on the highway", I have heard at least a few legal people say they should have been detained. She would likely be alive, had this been the case, but is easy to say all that now.
5. She was a blogger and documenting here trip: She had posted all of the videos we have seen on social media, so there were many who had a vested interest in what had happened to her. There were LOTS of people talking about it, calling the police with tips and keeping the investigation going, so that helped.
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@Jackaroo. ... DING DING DING! The saddest part of all this, is that the "racism" that the activist so vehemently despised, is exactly what is being fostered in the long run. Without a problem, they cannot offer a solution. Since the activist is a hammer in search of a nail, they see a world occupied by 7B+ nails! If we could some how accurately measure the number of ACTUAL white supremacists, by textbook definition, today and then do so AGAIN in 10 years, I guaranfrickingty... that number will be much larger than today. While prejudice will decline under normal circumstance, this continued victimization and the associated open hatred spoken of white people in general, is unquestionably building resentment. Hell, I feel it in my own life and never felt animosity for anyone my whole life. It is increasingly more difficult to take ANY black person's complaint about another's seriously, as so much of what we are told every single day, is proven to be a load of crap, a week later.
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There are many such events, but Juicy played a big part in all this and he is not only black, but gay. This victims mentality of identity politics is poison in every way :(
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Prior to watching this... my $.02. SC handled this poorly. Regardless of HOW horrible he thinks this proposal happens to be, it is exactly that... a proposal. It is a starting point and Steven thought it soo far off the mark, he countered with $30M year, 1 ad per show and guaranteed regardless of being booted or struck from platforms. This is a SPECTACULAR deal for SC, but HORRENDOUS for an employer. Not one person likes it, but so long as YT has 6.5M subs and is 50+% of SC's market, not IF, but "WHEN" he is permanently banned, DW or any employer will instantly lose 6.5M eye balls to the ads that would appear on his show here. Many will go to Rumble and the like, but NOT all and SC's exposure falls dramatically. DW does not like the BS rules of leftist platforms, any more than SC does. However, so long as he HAS to be on them, no employer can guarantee full salary if he is booted. It completely sucks, but nobody on this earth is going to give Crowder that deal.
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@TheJustice35 ... RE: @Brad Miles that's a nice way to say the government.... : While this comment not directed toward myself, specifically... I will throw in my $.02 :)
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I really wish people would stop the following: conflating, straw-manning and intentionally misinterpreting someone, seemingly in order to "score points" or "win" a discussion. I cannot speak for all, but I engage in these discussions, in order to understand not only WHAT another person thinks, but WHY they think it. Sometimes I change peoples minds and sometimes I just seek to give them more to think about, but intellectual honesty and understanding is my PRIMARY goal.
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The feds have FUNDAMENTAL requirement to follow Constitutional law. Written into that Constitution is to ensure that people have the right to "Life, Liberty and pursuit of happiness". Since this is foundational law, it supercedes state laws that would othewise restrict those "natural rights". The "medical procedure" you are referring to as a right, is in DIRECT opposition to the rights of another. Therefore, under the Constitution, one person cannot be granted a right that eliminates another's fundamental or "natural" rights.
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There are exceptions to every rule and one of them relates to capital punishment. This comes back to a person(s) malicious taking of another persons rights and is in all cases that I am aware, the taking of a life. Whether one agrees with Capitol Punishment or not, this is a penalty for violation of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness".
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It is not only a serous leap, but one in bad faith, to equate the concern of taking the life of the unborn, to supporting mask mandates or vaccines. One can argue, and I would make such an argument, that forcing a mask or vaccine DOES violate the principle of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness". This is an entirely different topic, but another that I am deeply passionate about. We'll leave that for another time :)
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@outofcompliance1639 ... I sorta WANT a massive influx of trans into ALL women's sports. Think of it this way, for every time a trans (biological male) <---- God, how insane is it that this actually requires clarification!!!!!?????, enters a "female" area, the culmination will eventually drive those who are indifferent to finally give a sheet. Right now, the gymnastics teams are not worried about it, because of the inherent flexibility of females over males. What if the equivalent to "Rubber Man" declared himself to be trans and started dominating on the parallel bars with like tripple-flips or routinely common quad back-blips on the mat?
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The longer this goes on, the more I fear by the time trans DO infiltrate all of these other female spaces, there will have been too much precedent set and too many new records made to untie it all. Those trans competitors will have an absolute right to dispute having their records nullified or trophy's taken away, as they played by the rules. It is not the trans fault the rules allow them to compete against females, it is NCAA and other leagues who let them in! While the women didn't have the "ballz" to say NO, when they had the chance and the feminists were busy bitching about "the patriarchy", that patriarchy slid in right under there noses and DESTROYED female only sports and spaces.
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This whole GD'd thing is disgusting and women have ZERO people to blame, but themselves!
EDIT: After having proof-read my comment, I failed to say how pathetic and weak these trans are to ONLY be competitive in the females arena. How sad is it to be a man that can only gain success by competing against women?
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@Jim87_36 ... There is NO question that the leftist wants those who are NOT leftists removed from the face of the earth. However, the bully ONLY has power, when those who would be victims cower in fear. There is also no question that they have destroyed many, many lives, in pursuit of their virtuous existence, but every single person who stands up and says ... "I WILL NOT COMPLY" breaks their control. Sadly, it takes a hell of a lot of courage for some, as they have families to support, a mortgage / rent to pay and losing their job is seemingly impossible option.
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I don't have an answer for such people, but can most certainly say this. For every single person that DOES comply and bend the knee, empowers more of the same for us all. This is an indisputable fact, so we all need to make a choice of how we want to live.
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@hope-cat4894 .. I am absolutely NOT proposing any forced or mandatory behavior of parents by the state, I am only pointing out what we can all clearly see with our own eyes. This is the failure of parents to instill even the most basic values that they themselves, presumably, lived by during their lifetime. What we see is that clearly, they either had very little reason to incorporate those values themselves or they were lazy asses and just expected society, public teachers, nannies, baby sitters and daycare to do it for them. It got especially bad after 3rd wave feminism began telling women they can 'have it all", in the late 60's. Mom's went to work and children were handed off to others in the hopes they would be good people. Sadly... many are not even close and those that ARE bad, shove around those who are not and even MORE end up the same way.
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@nickgarnero9843 ... Absolutely people are terrified and un-rightfully so! Fear is one of the most consuming emotions and is absolutely more contagious than ANY Covid variant. When a person is a bit scared, but holding it together and then sees someone giving in to the same fear... it is then "validated" to be a worthy fear. Then... one more person sees and another and another and pretty soon we have an orgy of fear porn everywhere you look.
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@Flash Out If the "modifying" of this weapon to make it functional when it was NOT at the time of her holding it, that is 100% straight up criminal behavior on the part of prosecutors and throw them in jail.. PERIOD!
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As for the gun being a prop or fake or a cigarette lighter, as some have said, makes no difference in the eyes of the law as it pertains to the "protesters" (violent F'ing mob). Here is an example, If I was to enter a bank with intent to rob it. I brandish a weapon, that is reasonably "believed" to be loaded gun, but is 100% incapable of hurting a fly, the people in front of that gun STILL LEGITIMATELY FEAR FOR THEIR LIVES. While I have have a huge problem with THIS mob of thugs hell bent on destroying the McCloskey property or harming / killing them, the law does not take kindly to pointing a weapon at a group of people. Yes, they were on private property. Yes. it is very reasonable to assume that there is a real danger of harm to the McCloskey's. However, finger on trigger and pointing around at people in crowd, regardless of ACTUAL danger, is bad trigger discipline and she was wrong to do that.
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@Bradley_Lute ... I don't care if Lia is a "committed" trans or an impostor / poser. Lia's body is THAT OF A MALE and therefore, has a massive advantage over those with whom competing. I have ZERO issues with any adult deciding to do ANYTHING with their body, for any reason, so long as it does not endanger other bodies. Say, set themselves on fire within a crowded building or drive 100 MPH through a down town street. A person can take all of the testosterone or estrogen he / she wants, provided that person is the age of consent... 18. I will not nor would not harass, bully, threaten or in any way attempt to cause any harm whatever to such person and would gladly share a beer and talk about whatever the hell we wanted to for any reason.
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My problem is NOT with Lia being tans, it is being a biological male competing against biological females and destroying girls dreams, because Lia cannot cut it on the men's team. I would be 100% willing to bet that Lia would be able to compete on a male swim team. No doubt, there would be some who would oppose it, but would NOT be for having an unfair advantage over the others, as Lia most CERTAINLY does in female swim teams. Lia is absolutely mopping the field in female swim competitions and was WAY, WAY, WAY below such position in the male swim team.
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Now, you tell me honestly... does this sound like it is fair to the female swim team? Seriously, please make the argument that this is fair to these girls? Now, that said, there is NO QUESTION that Lia is in a very difficult position, assuming that this there is not deception and is, let's say "authentic" trans. No question that this sucks for Lia, in such a case. However, Lia is FORCING girls that have just as much right to compete OUT of the running, simply by virtue of competing in their events. There is no good answer for the authentic trans who want to compete, but Lia's right to swim should NOT trump the girls right to have fair and honest competition between themselves.
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@Dispatcher ... I was a plumber for my entire career. There was MANY times, that thieves would enter a construction yard at night and and cut ALL of the electrical wiring (this is ALL copper material within the sheathing) and also cut out all of the copper water piping. This means, that there is going to be a MASSIVE pile of very small sections of copper plumbing pipe and wire, because it is all fitted in place and there are 16" gaps between the structural studs in the framing of walls. So, thieves would bring this pile of BRAND NEW super-shiny sub-two foot sections of plumbing pipe and maybe several foot length BRAND NEW electrical wiring as well. Took a while, but since this costs many thousands of $$$ to repair, the city finally started sending police to scrap yards and finding HUGE piles of this new wire and plumbing that was sold to the scrap guy. Since it was obviously all BRAND NEW material, it was only reasonable to conclude it was stolen. The city began putting pressure on the junk dealers that if such material was found, THEY would be prosecuted.
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@NwoDispatcher ... wait... did I say "hot"? Apparently I did... lol. Yes, "hot" refers to stolen. There is BIG money in clean copper, at least there was at the time some 25 years ago, so people would go into entire home development areas and strip them of electrical wire and plumbing materials for probably a $200. The cost to have the contractors come BACK and replace it all again, is often many, many thousands of $$$. The time it takes to cut it all out vs. the time it takes to measure, cut and assemble again is light years apart.
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In contrast, when my guys cut out old copper lines for replacement, upgrades and such, we had a large steel can in which a scrap guy would come by and buy it from us then take it to a recycle place and sell it to them. We would have at solid 2 hundred lbs. of copper, aluminum that was "dirty", so not nearly as valuable, and would get like $50 for that barrel. When those scrap dealers get a huge load of BRAND NEW copper / aluminum scrap, it is very obvious that it was 99% likely to be stolen or "hot" .. lol 🐈⬛
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@EmoDKTsuchiya ... That is an element for sure. However, I have never gone to church, read the bible or followed any faith, yet my parents raised me with the values laid out in the Ten Commandments. It would be simply impossible for even have a passing thought of running a person over with my car, as these thugs did.
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Clearly, there is some CATASTROPHIC failure of the respect for life and this ultimately comes down to complete failure as parents. If one or even all were raised by grandparents, foster care or ANYONE, it is still the failure of both parents to not provide even the most basic respect for life. The odds are EXTREMELY high, there was never any genuine presence of the father and they were raised by other thugs on the streets.
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@amibrainwashed ... There were precisely ZERO kids who did anything like this when I was a kid, nearly 59 now. Very rarely one would hear about similar, but while this is horrendous behavior, it was only in a handful of traditionally Democrat hell-holes that had been getting worse for years. Detroit, Chicago and once in a while areas of NY. What we see here is a complete abandon of the most basic of Western World values by a VERY large portion of the last 3 generations. They allowed their children to be raised by public schools, nannies, daycare, baby sitters, TV and the worst of them all... the internet. These are 14 yo old kids, who VERY likely were handed a weapon by a late teen thug. We know the weapon failed, so we can all hope that if this WAS the case, maybe that kid intentionally gave that kid an empty or defective one. Regardless, we now have bus drivers that are legitimately terrified to drive those buses again, for a VERY real fear of retaliation.
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@bluepinkman4488 ... Sadly, we are both correct :( For the life of me, I fail to grasp how someone gets to the point, or rather "lives" to the point at which this seemed like the smart play. Not only to catastrophically over-react to an very common incorrect order at a fast-food place, but then to brandish a weapon, rather than just ask to have it corrected. On top of that, he sits outside and waits for them to fix his order, when a complete IDIOT knows that the cops are on the way.
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There is really only one explanation I can think of here... death by cop and go out in a blaze of glory! Clearly this guy had some very serious mental issues going on, as he chooses to have both of his very young children there to see it all go down. One has to hate life to such a degree, as to be indifferent to his children likely watch their father die in a brutal way.
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@pariah_carey ... Well said, Ms. Pariah :) What so many people just don't understand, in relation to colleges / universities, is how Affirmative Action causes MUCH more harm than good, but not only for the reason you mentioned. When a person, race has zero to do with it, gets into a school / job / promotion that was not earned, he / she is much more likely to fail, because that person does not usually have the skills necessary to fill that position. So, many who have a much higher SAT score are denied access, only to let those who get an artificial boost in their score so they can attend under Affirmative Action (institutionalized... AKA systemic racism). Many of those "gifted" with such access are unable to succeed or at least thrive, so they are MUCH more likely to drop out only to feel worse about themselves for having failed. Care to take a guess who make up the largest number of people in this category...? You guessed it, blacks! Now, had these students been accepted in a less rigorous college, they would be FAR more likely to thrive and later go onto higher education and be ready for it.
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@MorteWulfe ... Looks like I misspelled it... lol :) My comment has nothing to do with whether Sean is right or wrong... it has to do with people who base their opinion on ANOTHER'S opinion. This guy didn't go look at Sean's video himself, he looked at Vaush's video, which stripped ALL of the context out of Sean's reasoning and, and then proceeded to be critical of Sean saying he doesn't know what he is talking about. WTF? If this person wants to know what Sean ACTUALLY said and understand WHY he said it, he needs to look at the un-edited original video. Now, if he has a bone to pick with Sean at that point... fine. I may or may not agree with his conclusion, but at least he would have been intellectually honest arriving at it.
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When this is the manner in which one derives what Sean is believed to have said, it is no wonder communication with an ideologue is impossible. Based on how he views conservatives, it is no wonder why we are demonized to a never ending degree. Ideologues live within an information bubble, and rather than seek out what is true or correct, they look for whatever supports the existing confirmation bias. That is what I was is wrong with this guys critique :)
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@emberfist8347 .... While it was not a house I would have likely considered condemned, via the image we saw, the house they tore down was in a pretty higher developed area. I was in the construction business for 35 years and have been to a TON of homes that were worthy of demo and not look like it from outside. Once you go in, you see gross neglect of all surfaces, mold, rodents and such, that tell the story. These guys DID go into the home to confirm it was empty and disconnect electrical / gas appliances, prior to tearing down. My issue is that once inside, not one of them saw enough red flag to make a phone call. Tearing down a home is not the job of high school kids, this takes a certain level of engineering knowledge and approach, so as not to risk surrounding properties and such. Mistakes happen, but these workers were just not thinking here.
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@Don ... it is not "communists" that we fear, it is communism! It is the implementation of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" that is the true enemy of us all. While this may sound like a good idea, it is the state enforcement of one person to support another without consent. Since there is always going to be a VERY high percentage of people, myself among them, who will not abide by such tyranny, there is ALWAYS a catastrophic loss of life in such societies. The state has ZERO choice but to separate those who would not willingly participate in a communist system and those people ALWAYS end up dead. This serves 2 functions and both are necessary to enable it to work.
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The first is the state cannot and will not accept things like free speech and citizens who own guns. This is why Nazi Germany became a fascist state, as you cannot control a public that has the means to fight back with deadly weapons. The second issue is the number of people who fit into each of the "ability" or "needs" category". Easiest way to understand is a small group, which is really the ONLY way communism can work and with the agreement of all those involved. Say 10 people decide all by themselves to live as a communist society and you have 1 each of the following: 1 farmer, 1 car mechanic, 1 teacher, 1 electrician, 1 plumber, 1 engineer, 1 doctor, 1 house builder, 1 banker and 1 tailor. If each person is willing to live under "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", it works pretty well.
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EDIT: I have since read many additional comments by you in this thread, I had NOT read until this comment was created. While I did not apply serious consideration to each and every other comment by you, nor reply by others, it would appear that you either play the same word games or have FALLEN for the word games by Marxists. Regardless of which is more accurate, it seems clear that you are OK or support this admin and Marxism as a rule. This makes you incompatible with the values upon which this nation was founded and will find yourself at serious odds with the overwhelming number of people in this country who will ABSOLUTELY not stand for a Marxist or communist utopia. I would urge you to read up on the history of communism and what it does to the societies in which it is practiced forced upon a nations people!
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@Don ... so you left one echo chamber, but did you enter another...? Both are a problem, because honest dialog cannot exist in a vacuum. While both are bad, it is the left that controls all of the major mediums in which information is disseminated (Google, YouTube, Twitter, FB, IG, TikTock) and the echo chamber of the left is forced upon the rest of us. I have been censored probably 100 times for saying things that are 100% protected by 1a, but defy the leftist cult of ideology. Since the Overton window has moved to the VERY far left, those who are moderate or even center-left are considered alt-right. Sadly, the endless screams of the leftists claiming the growing number of alt-right extremists is growing are actually correct. Not because of anything I say or even defend, but because not only the definition of "alt-right" now includes those who are centrist, but because of things like "those who identify as a woman, are allowed to enter a female space". We have males who identify as female entering women's sporting events and winning the overwhelming amount of competitions. Walking around in ladies dressing & locker rooms displaying the full male anatomy, because they "identify" as a woman and the law has been manipulated to allow it. If anyone thinks that this is not going to lead to a CATASTROPHIC backlash and MAJOR amount of people who will unfairly become VERY anti-gay and homophobic, they are deluding themselves. This is sad, because it is NOT the LGBTQ community who are arguing for this, it is the leftist activist and they DO NOT speak for about 98% of that community.
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Sowwy... got a little side-tracked there... lol :)
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@M1N0rZ1rC0N ... As I said, I was never a follower of basketball, but i you think that LeFlop is no better than your average "ball bouncer" on the court, you are simply not paying any attention.
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I can separate, respect for his play, from respect for him. I had no particular respect for him , but anyone who cannot or refuses to recognize his INSANE physical ability on the BBall court, is delusional. While I was neutral on respect for him as a person, after the things I have seen him say, and the CATASTROPHIC ignorance about politics, he has dug himself a hole from which he can never climb out, as far as I am concerned.
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@GhostOfBillCooper .... OK. I saw your video LINK, thank you :)
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This does indeed differ from my understanding from other research I have done (a local report from LA News outlet and Sean's video here. which was edited for YouTube age restriction). It is clear from this video, which I have not seen before just now, he does throw, what can only be reasonably assumed to be the gun.
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That said, I have to also must consider several other factors:
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1. We are seeing a different angle than officers. I am not saying the cops could not see what we did, but there is a lot to process in that 3 seconds.
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2. The police KNOW they are chasing a suspect that is armed and into an area, in which he is cornered. Since he did not just drop his weapon, it is only reasonable he is seeking cover and shoot at them. Now, if he did not know these were cops, and I they did give commands, per witnesses other than his friend, but did not realize these were cops, than the only reasonable consideration, is that he WAS going to shoot back from behind the cars.
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3. When the cops are chasing him, they are specifically watching his right hand, because they can see the weapon in it. When he turns to the left to throw weapon, it is at THAT EXACT moment, the reasonable consideration is that he will CONTINUE to rotate around to the left and shoot back at them.
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I get that they likely SAW the gun go flying out of his hand, but what the eye sees, cannot be processed in that literal "blink of an eye" amount of time. In other words, 2 nano seconds AFTER the officer shot him with that fatal wound, he was able to process that gun being thrown over the car.
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It takes a literal fraction of a second to continue rotating and shoot back, so the INSTANT he began to swing his arm around his body... the cop shoots. We also need to consider adrenaline is flowing HARD and they are also keeping an eye on BOTH suspects, because it is not unreasonable to figure they are both armed. We see the other guy hold his hands up, but again... AFTER his friend is shot and on the ground.
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It is interesting, that Sean said that the gun WAS still in his hand, no ambiguity at all on that point, but is what Sean found in his research. We could assume the cops lied, but they both have body cam and video, while not perfect, exposes a lot of things. They may or may not have known about the roof camera we were seeing here, but probably did not.
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This video is also pixilated, so maybe the a gun is visible and something else was thrown. This would be EXTREMELY unlikely he had switched the gun we SAW with drugs or something, but it is also EXTREMELY unlikely he would toss the gun and not just drop the gun and throw hands in the air. If he thought they were NOT cops, he would NEVER toss his gun, because they could not possibly be anything but VERY bad intentions, as they are chasing him with guns of their own.
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He was running into a corner he could not really escape, so in the amount of time the cops had, was very reasonable to think he was going to continue to rotate and shoot at them.
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Thank you for the LINK, as it does give me slight pause, but we can ALWAYS look back and say "woulda, shoulda, coulda" from both sides. At the end of the day, this was a convicted felon who KNEW that serious prison time would result if he was to surrender with a weapon.
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I think he realized the officer was too close to gain cover from car, so threw weapon, but was too late to stop the chain of events.
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PS> Why did the friend not tell that reporter that Roberts threw the gun to him and was going to surrender. Something doesn't add up here.
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@lds_drive ... Yes. I understood that you said it was not the gun, but silly me... I failed to read "casing" when you spelled "chasing"... dummy kitty, I am...lol
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OK... I just watched the unedited video again and can see now, that had he thrown a gun, it would have been CLEARLY visible, so my bad for not catching that the first time. NO WAY that was a gun, but I still find it odd that he then must have had 2 things in his right hand, so why would he bother to throw a shell casing and why did he have one?
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I have several things that still don't make sense, but too much verbiage to lay them all out, when we will find out in the next day or so anyway.
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Thanks for the update :)
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PS> Is it possible he fired the gun at cops, but WANTED to claim he had not, because cops would be unable to find a discharged shell? Would he have been able to "catch" it as ejected at that moment?
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@lds_drive ... Na, I am the silly one who could not think out of the box, even a tiny bit... lol
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Sean said that the weapon WAS still in his hand, at the time of the cop tending to his injuries, so I figure that he saw a completely unedited video. I just now looked and could only find pixelated ones and multiple headlines saying "Black man murdered by white cop".
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I get that people have some questions about this, but the video is 90% conclusive he was legit shot. YES... I have seen Donut Operator and he has done some great breakdowns, so I will keep this in mind, thanks :)
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Again, agreed! There is no such thing as a "routine traffic stop" and damned sure, not when it comes to a guy walking around a parking lot with a gun! The problem is that 100% of the stories ALWAYS come out as "black man shot by white cop" and that statement sticks, even when we find out that 95% are absolutely justified in every way from the first release of story.
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@barret-xiii ... Agreed, but that is the crazy thing. There is nothing to be done, but praise him for dong a wonderful thing for others. Of course, unless an act is 100% TRULY altruistic, in every possible way and not something the cult declares should be for free, then this is the act of a bad person.
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This is just the furthering of cancel culture, because within the cult that says hierarchy's are evil, is itself a hierarchy, because he who is MOST virtuous, goes the social credit. One person may say something like... "we should have universal healthcare and these people would all have this procedure done for free" (as if that would actually be free, anyway). So the next cult member who wants to be MORE virtuous, says, Mr. Beast is bad, because he is rewarding capitalism and we are off to the races.
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The cult is not just malevolent... they are EVIL!
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@senorpepper3405 ...Yes! I recall a video about 4 years ago and was a young child, like 8 yo or something and wearing a "dark pink baseball hat with 4 letters upon it". This probably 20 yo woman, knocked it off his head and the mother saw it and I think just a stranger, who also took issue with it. She was screaming (TDS rants) and appoached him and was absolutely going for his eyes. She had fingers extended and was playing the "you can't hit me because I am a girl" card. Well, while he only pushed her away, he was clearly a lot stronger, but she got close enough, that had she hit her mark, he VERY easily could have lost an eye.
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@Kthb80 ... RE: I just checked : Interesting! I wonder if there are some behind the scenes negotiation with Neil to "quietly" leave his content on the site. The hypocrisy that Neil has shown here is truly next level, so he may be rethinking his ultimatum. After all, it is not like Neil Young's music is in high rotation of today's Top 10 countdown lists... lol.
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The whole thing is just sad to me :( Joe Rogan has done NOTHING wrong and should never have apologized for it. Neil Young was VERY much a player in the free speech, anti-war, anti-establishment era of '60's. Yet here he is without ANY understanding of what transpired on Joe's podcasts, calling for him to lose everything. It will take historians, philosophers and scholars many, many years to get their heads around what has transpired in the last 6 or 7. Sure, they will point to the Marxism that Joseph McCarthy warned us all about, but they will shake their heads as to how this path was ultimately taken by so VERY FEW and caused CATASTROPHIC damage to the entirety of the Western World.
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While Joseph McCarthy was an evil man, in how he persecuted those he deemed communists, one thing can be said with complete certainty... "he was right about a communist threat"!
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Peace, Zephi :)
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@jordansean6986 .... There is not just a reluctance to hold PoC accountable for anything, but it even goes beyond an irrational fear of it. We have all seen countless situations where a PoC is pointing a gun, physically assaulting another, seriously resisting arrest or just being a general POS to everyone in the area and the leftist is like ... "meh, whatevs". If one takes only a few seconds to grasp the context of nearly 100% of the blacks shot and killed by white police, it is EXTREMELY obvious that it was not only completely justified, but exposed no racial motivations and the suspect was 100% responsible for the ENTIRE scenario, yet sad that this person had to die.
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Of course, in the world we have today, where the leftist controls all the means of disseminating information, the accusation is ALL that is necessary to completely control the narrative. Need only look at Brett Cavanaugh, George Floyd or ANY PoC killed by a white officer and the instant determination, is GUILTY! When we have justice at the hands of mob rule, we don't have justice... we have tyranny by those who seek nothing more than political power!
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@mustlovedragons8047 ... Not sure who you are referring to here, but his is not only normal, but a good thing! If I am a creator and apply the "❤" to a comment, it is because I appreciated it WHEN I READ IT. If you come back and CHANGE that comment, you are now changing what it said and I may no longer like it. I learned this many years ago, when I had a comment like this and I edited it to correct a spelling error and when saved, the ❤was gone. I even tried to re-edit BACK to how it was, but never returned. This is to protect the creator from "possibly" providing this special like, only but maybe that person COMPLETELY changes what was said. Those who come later, may see a ❤on a comment that might be nothing like what was read by that creator.
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I get this and makes purrfect sense, so I support YouTube's reasoning for removing the ❤with ANY edits to the post.
PS> I have always remembered that little feature and when I DO edit my comment, I refresh the page just prior, in case it the creator DID give it a ❤. If so, I will not edit it again, unless it was a BIG error on my part and not worthy of creator's appreciation.
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@alvarojneto ... No doubt that some will be able to do this. I am not simply accepting defeat, but I am coming up on 60 years old, so not going to make a fortress of my home and learn apocalypse survival skills. The only ones that will be able to do this truly successfully, at least for some time, is those in very rural areas. Should society completely collapse, and that is a very real possibility at this point, the mobs we have seen since GF killed himself, will be turning on everyone and will not stop at property. They WILL invade homes and take people out, except... they will ALL be thinking about themselves. They will not be a mob of single minded drones just destroying all in sight, they WILL turn on each other, when a prized resource is found. This will lead to catastrophic chaos and feds / states will send in the troopers. They will simply go full Marshal Law, after concussion grenades are tossed by the thousands. People in city homes, I am in a town of 50K, will be huddled inside hording food, because everything will stop.
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This is a EXTREMELY dark vision, but the ones who will be able to do the best, will be families that band together. They will live on a plot of land and compile resources to survive. For me... no thanks! Take me out on the first volley!
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@totorosghost ... I completely agree. You have probably seen more of their content than I have, but I am well aware of how horrendous they are about a mega sheet-ton of things and Seantiago has talked about a LOT of it (certainly not all).
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For the record, I don't forgive her for what she has done to lead her audience astray (lied / maliciously falsified data) for years. I am just, happy is maybe not the right word... maybe it is, to see here acknowledging things that are MANY years too late, but doing so none the less. She has much to answer for, but how often have we seen a prominent VERY far left "news" person, take a 180 on anything of substance, much less openly call out at least some of it right on her own network. We have seen Cenk agree on somethings, as well as appear shocked at some of the things she is now calling out.
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If any of this is ever going to change, we need those on the inside, and for the moment at least, she remains there. Some of those who follow that channel, are now getting a perspective they have not considered prior and some will ponder / discuss it in other venues.
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This is a good thing, Peace, Totoro 😺
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@totorosghost ... Yes. I saw your comment, as I was finishing up mine, so edited prior to posting to reflect a bit of it. I agree that Ana and Ben's conversations were not all that illuminating, but she is having them and this humanizes each side to the other, so at least some degree. You and I both know that conservatives are exceedingly dehumanized by the leftist and they dictate the rules that the "left" plays under.
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The big thing for me is that dialog, though not very fruitful as of yet, IS happening. When there is NO dialog, as we have seen for years now, the breakdown / divide only grows and gets worse. We (liberals / conservatives) will never see completely eye to eye on many things, but when the left steadfastly refuses to even engage, we are powerless to reach any understanding.
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Some of the left is starting to recognize that they have removed the brakes and tossed out the steering wheel long ago and people like Bill Maher have been calling it out. We need a HELL of a lot more, but every Ana, Bill that begins to ask why the steering wheel and brake lever are a decade in the rear view, we will start to bridge some of the gap.
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Googlag Inmate #666 ... I remember VERY well the days of Tipper Gore going after the music industry (focused on Rap), due to lyrical content "corrupting our kids". That was spear headed by the political right and was the LEFT who was arguing 1a without relent. Of course, the leftist is saying that we need to implement "hate speech laws" to protect minorities from violence. They want to silence conservatives, because they are seen as universally racist, bigoted, sexist, homophohbic, xenophobic and all the rest, so big tech is all about silencing such voices.
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@lainiwakura1776 ... RE: If you think it's a person... : While it is true, that currently there is no "legal" obligation to donate an organ, in this case a uterus, but those who are pro-life and indeed our creator, most certainly feels there is a "moral" obligation.
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I say moral obligation, because the human species cannot exist, were it not for the male and female combining forces, so to speak, and propagate ourselves. Since even that "clump of cells" REQUIRES that uterus as a means to grow as it is destined to do, then by literal definition, there is a moral obligation to donate it for said purpose.
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@miraann3997 .. RE: You can still empathize... : The only way to get to the root of the problem, is afford the opportunity for one to get out of it... capitalism does this. I am not going to argue that life is "fair" or that every person has the same difficulty or ease at exercising those opportunities, but that is how life works. There is ZERO reason why the poorest person in America, cannot become the richest person in the world, say for a few things that cannot be controlled by society.
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Basic raw talent, the internal drive to succeed and discipline to follow the rules that societies have set down for millennia. Whether it be Herschel Walker playing football, Bach creating music or Bill Gates writing computer code. There was most definitely support for each along the way, but without basic raw drive / talent for these things, they would never in a million years get to where they arrived and no amount of effort can create that raw drive or intrinsic talent. We have seen extremely poor kids from the worst parts of town, become Mike Tyson, for example, and make millions, upon millions of dollars, but only to piss it away, because raw talent and hard work are not enough... one has to have that discipline as well.
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For without it, all of the hard work, talent and even a massive amount of support structure cannot save them from ending up like countless musicians and actors that ended up dying of OD :( Poverty is NOT the reason people don't make the most of themselves, it is merely a hurdle to those who have :)
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@Goulash45 …. I have made exactly ZERO claims, as to the legality of what this guy did…. NONE! I have never said he is innocent of a crime, nor that he did not act with force outside the legal acceptable limit. I said that he is MORALLY justified and that is my considered opinion, because these guys were the ones to violate the the moral code of “thou shalt not steal”.
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This guy has NO expectation to think they will not break other codes, so they found out the hard way that others are willing to go to extremes, when the situation calls for fight or flight. He had nowhere to run, because he was cornered on both sides.
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He chose to fight and that guy paid dearly for it.
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PS> Both of them were willing to jump over the counter and THAT IS A THREAT!!!!!!! So he should just wait until it gets out of hand? When they, in a moments notice... BOTH jump him to get at the cash register? I swear to God I am sick an tired of people who sit back from the comfort of their living room, dog sleeping on floor beside, cup of coffee in hand and relaxing on a Monday afternoon, looking at a guy who VERY WELL could have been facing at minimum of 2 attackers, because you CANNOT count on them NOT attacking you!
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@hllymchll ... a VERY fine recording indeed, Ms. Michelle :)
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Just a few weeks back I played some PF demo's including the original mix of WYWH. It was brilliant to hear the origins of how the song was perceived prior to getting the producers and engineers involved. While it is really great, it lacks the looooooooong fading out after that 4th Gilmore note that builds the intro. That fading sustain that builds that incredible anticipation of the next set of notes. When I was very young, born in '64, I did not get into PF at the time. I was into Van Halen, Rush, April Wine, Black Sabbath and many other groups, but for all the talk of PF, I just never gave them a chance in HS days :( However, when I finally got around to really listening to them, I quickly learned what all the fuss was about for all those years :) I am now a HUGE Floyd fan and am still in awe with every listen I afford to their music.
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@TravelsTTG ... I have no issue with him saying what he thinks. Back in the day when he was sane, I enjoyed his content and followed him. He eventually began playing to the whims of the mob, and most particularly, denounced JBP out of the blue. They had a good conversation and Ethan DID enjoy it, but when since the mob turned it malicious hatred against JBP.... Ethan wanted to score virtue signalling points and went bat sheet crazy over him.
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Since then, he has gotten himself in a LOT of hot water, because he simply fails to consider what he thinks, may be detrimental to his livelihood (same thing as Trump... lol). Ethan has been bleeding followers, so he is fumbling a bit to find something that works.
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@barbarakauppi9915 ...I was being a bit hyperbolic, but my point was that the instances of young teens setting out to specifically commit murder, was very rare. Yes, this happened some in those areas where gun and gang culture was prevalent, but this is not only more common now, but spread among children who are not in these areas.
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I am not saying... "we should keep this in the projects" or anything, only that this is not even headline news, because it does not fit the media narrative. There are many things going much more wrong today, than in years past, but the rise of identity politics and the WOKE cult putting everyone into opposing lines, based on race, can lead to nothing but more gangs of thugs.
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Just a couple days ago, there were 4 friends, 3 black and one white, and seems the white kid sang lyrics to a rap song and said the N-word. Well, we have no real context from short video, but the white kid was apologizing and one of the black kids was asking.."why did you say the N-word" over and over and over in various ways, until he finally punched the white kid in the face and he went DOWN.
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The issue of Regressives and Democratic party pushing or supporting the sexualization of VERY young children. Obviously.... not all Democrats are in favor of this and would argue that it is a VERY small sub-set of them, but the Democratic party AS A WHOLE will not denounce such behavior. This is a VERY extreme position, to argue that is appropriate to discuss gender, trans and human sexuality with K~3rd, which is the law so many idiots oppose.
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While we will NEVER all agree on abortion, it is objectively TRUE, that the younger a person is, the more likely they will engage in behavior that has ramifications WAY beyond their understanding to comprehend. Since pregnancy, and the possibility is well off the radar of consideration far too often, how would this be improved by younger and younger children being exposed to sexuality? Answer....? It will NOT!
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@susansmith493 ... It doesn't matter to me who invented what, where, when or how... only that this issue will not go away without a fight. It is most unfortunate, but if women and girls are not willing to fight for what is rightfully theirs, others will not endlessly fight on their behalf and they will be cheated out of opportunities, because they allowed it to happen. I have not dog in this fight. I don't have a daughter who spent the last 5+ years of her pre-high school life going to swim competitions and dreaming of a professional career or Olympics one day. I am not invested here, so I am not going to go to swim meets and protest, so these girls, their parents, coaches and local governing bodies have to deal with this.
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@totorosghost ... I have at least 3 comments that were removed and none of which came within 500 miles of any ToS lines. At least one of them was in simple agreement with another, so it was removed. The take in my OP was as you stated in the middle of your reply here, though I just afforded a higher degree of respect. That respect does not travel beyond what you said, but I stand behind it, for what it is. I have done additional clarification in more than a few replies within this thread, so I would ask that you expand it, so as to better understand my position. Ana was willing to directly promote this channel on her platform and that is no small thing. This channel has been exceptionally critical of her platform on many occasions and those who are steadfastly in agreement with her for all this time, have heard it. I am not expecting a mass changing of minds, but she has earned their support, so it is a chipping away at the positions they hold. This is a good thing, just as it is for ANY person who hears a challenge to their long held belief / position on anything.
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@totorosghost .... Thank you and I agree. While I have never watched her show, only seen reactions to it (98% of those by Sean). I have seen a HUGE amount of segments, that include a lot of context, so I feel what I have seen is a good representation of each, though the totality of those dishonest segments, should never be ignored. My bias is certainly very strong against the show in general, but Cenk more than any one else. He is the undisputed👑of the straw man and is not possible to be as ignorant as he would need to be, in order to honestly believe a HUGE amount of what he says (being understated with my words, for reasons we both understand). You are correct, in that it is very little, within the context of all that she has supported over the years. I do hope she continues to allow what she is far more willing to recognize, to influence here world view going forward. Only time will tell and maybe I am unrealistically optimistic, but her sitting down with pub. en. #1, Ben Shaprio twice, is enough to end someone in her positions career.
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In the end, I don't think any of this will matter much, as society is so incredibly fractured, I am not convinced we will escape collapse. Canada, UK and USA are in a race, though I think Canada will be the 1st to completely stop working into chaos. We are soo far along this path, we are gonna need to see such a thing happen, in order to hopefully get the wake up call necessary. I am an optimist, but very pessimistic about what I see. Best to you as well, Toto and want to say I appreciate the push back, you and others have offered. I see them all as balancing the scales, so as to keep my bias in check and that is something I always strive to do.
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@totorosghost ... I get all that and why I freely admit I have not watched TYT to any real degree. However, NONE of that changes the credit I have afforded her. I made it exceptionally clear, that it does not erase anything she has done, only that she HAS seen some of the error of her ways. Accepting that error has in ZERO ways, righted any wrongs, only that I will welcome ANY human on the face of this planet, to move ANY degree toward a sensible position on ANY issue that necessitates it for a cohesive society.
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I am not sure why you continue to read more into my opinion than I have made extremely clear on many occasions, within this thread. Your last comment, is very much in line with what I have been saying from the start. If she had one 1B horrendous lies, that does NOT erase any of the truths. It does not excuse them nor does it afford her my forgiveness for them. She has a VERY large platform and has taken owner ship for some of those things she has advocated for all along.
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Do you think it would have been better had she NEVER been willing to speak to Ben Shapiro, NEVER had recommended (it seemed very sincere) this channel, had NEVER began calling out the liberal policies that she voted for are failing? If you answer a "NO" to even 1% of ANY of those questions, than you and I are in agreement.
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I am not seeking a "gotcha" or "I told you so" moment, I am just standing behind what you have already gave a tiny bit of credit for doing. Now, maybe my credit is slightly higher, and that is an accurate way to describe it, than yours... but that is where we are. I also said that she cannot "unsee" what she has acknowledged were failed policies that she supported. This means, she will exercise more scrutiny going forward, because she has now accepted the consequences of that which she voted for in the past. Will she suddenly decide that she likes to be called a birthing person or person who menstruates? Will she suddenly decide that no bail for multiple time felons is a good thing, after calling them out...? It is "possible", but the likelihood is lower than a snakes belly.
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@unnamedminus .. Problem was, that you look at the "redaction" squares all over the place, there was no way that it could be more than 1 or 2 characters. While it is not saying it was DW, it was very clear to anyone who realizes how many players in the conservative game, that it was DW. I don't have a problem with SC taking issue and wanting a lot of stuff changed, but was how he went about it and particularly the timeline of events. This deal was dead for over 2 months and SC decides to rake his friends over the coal, when he could have just done a segment on his show just discussing how "some" of his contracts were worded. No, he was deliberately taking aim at DW, even if he did not say so by name. The fundamental issue is that 50% of LWC is tied to 6.5M on YT and he has been on the edge of perm. ban for years. Sooner or later, he WILL be banned, but he IS making money here. He is not monotized, but his MC has grown due to YT and he does his ads as well as exposure. He is worth more more money than proposal, but a) that was a starting point and b) he cannot expect to have guaranteed money, when he WILL lose YT entirely literally any day. He does not even have to do anything wrong, they will make something up, as they normally do. That is not SC's fault, nor DW's fault, but since 6.5M eyeballs are on THIS platform, when it is lost, DW would be on the hook for 50% smaller audience and 100% of the commitment to SC. This all sucks, but so long as YT is the big player, DW has to assume that they will perm delete him at any point.
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@SirBlackReeds ... Technically, sure... but like DW or not.. they OWNED that proposal. It would have had less coverage for sure, had DW not responded. However, SC should have kept this private. He waited 2+ months to go scorched earth knowing that DW would be offended by his interpretation of that proposal. SC ommited enough and left enough context out (mostly the value that was a DIRECT component of the fees mentioned), as well as a few other things. Look, I like SC, I just think he handled this very poorly and will give ANYONE pause, to work with him. If he is willing to make secret recordings of phone calls with limited context and use for his video, that will send a message to others. DW, Jeremy and co. have been his friends for 10 years and that is not the way to treat a friend. I don't want to repeat myself, as I said it all above. DW deal was not good, but SC blew up his relationships over a proposal that WAS negotiable, but his terms were too high and DW bailed.
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@hope-cat4894 ... Let's hope so! What will likely happen is that society will break down SO bad, that even those who bully, beat up or abuse others, will fall victim to one who is bigger and stronger who does it to them! Just as we have seen with the virtue signalling of the leftist cult. There is ALWAYS a hierarchy and once the more agregious get "cancelled", those who are MOST virtuous, prey on those who cancelled others just less virtuous than themselves. The cycle repeats until those at the top, become fewer in number than those below and the tables turn.
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Eventually, those who are more moderate bullies, loudmouths but not necessarily so physical, will gang up on the Goliath's to take them down and realize there HAS to be a better way. They will find structure, religion and basic Western values again and start anew. I think we have so many that are so bad, those of us who retain those Western values, cannot fight on so many fronts. We will get old and die off and society will continue to decline, until that paradigm shift. You and I will not likely see it happen but it will!
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@gorkyd7912 ... I am not sure I would. As mentioned, I was in construction for 35 years, so I may have not had the authority to stop the process, but having been in plenty of structures that were condemned, I would recognize the difference between a home in disrepair and one that is a threat to an occupant.
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We don't have the full story here. Clearly, those in the city offices are going to have to bare the responsibility for all this. I just wonder how much, if any, those who were on site asked themselves if this made sense. After all, this is not tearing down a fence over the property line or cutting down a tree that overhangs another's property, this is a home that represents $100K+ and FAR more in my particular part of the country (Marin Co., Comifornia)
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This is just sad, because through no fault of their own, the legal owner has to deal with all this crap, because those in the city planning office all have their arms crossed pointing at the other guy for responsibility 😿
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bastiat .. What in the hell are you talking about? Furniture may or may not be present, but in a condemned home, it is likely there are some disgusting ass couches with cushions that have been ravaged by rodents. It takes a LOT to condemn a home, because of the investment that somebody has in that property. I was involved with one or two properties that were condemned, because they are exceedingly rare, for reasons just mentioned. Those that were condemned, were obviously in gross disrepair and showed many, many signs of neglect to the point where it was clear that nobody was investing anything into the property.
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Since the WRONG house was torn down and there are many people making decisions inbetween a recommendation a home be torn down and ACTUALLY tearing it down, there were a lot of heads up a lot of asses on this one. Willing to bet, if you searched YouTube for "condemned homes", you would see that those that have been, are not somewhere you would likely choose to raise your family. There will be notices of failed inspection reports on prominent walls and a paper trail from various inspections that lead to the demand that it be torn down for safety concerns.
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Why don't you try to NOT be an ahole for a minute and recognize that maybe you don't have as much experience with these situations as others may. I happen to have a lot of experience with construction, so maybe my opinion has validity. Peace, bastiad 😉
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I did not see the debate, but I have learned from vast experience that trying to communicate facts, logic, intent, context and attempt to correct misunderstandings to a leftist is a complete waste of energy! The leftists of this nation are in absolute control of information flow and they have no desire to understand ANY views outside of the doctrine. If anything is said or done that does not conform 100% to the cult narrative, such a person is cancelled, cut-off or otherwise removed from the conversation. I have said this before, but one day when this leftist house of cards come tumbling down, I don't know how we are to co-exist with them. The true leftist has no mechanism in which to forgive or get beyond what is considered to be true by definition of that doctrine. The moderate Democrats (the sane people that are afraid to actually stand up for TRUE liberal values) are scared into line with the extremists doctrine for fear of being an outcast. This leftist stranglehold on society will not end, until the moderates of that party stop rolling over like a scared puppy and stand against the extremists who have completely taken over their party and, indeed.... this nation!
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@kevintewey1157 .. What in the HELL are you talking about? It is quite obvious, you have an agenda, because you have absolutely ZERO clue about me, other than I support accountability for ones actions.
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How about you give me the following:
1) Tell me where / when / how I supported ANYONE violating The Constitution?
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2) Tell me why a billionaire has ANYTHING to do with your ability to prosper in whatever venture you see fit to try?
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3) Capitalism has raised more people from poverty than any system ever conceived. Capitalism is SPECTACULAR, it is the people who are bad actors / evil who take advantage of others. Go ahead and tell me an economic system... ANY economic system that allows people to thrive better than capitalism... I'll wait!
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Tell me, kevin... you are communicating with me via cell phone, PC, Tablet or whatever. Wanna take a guess HOW that is possible? Because YOU spent your money to purchase said item in order to improve your life. You take part in Capitalism, yet you condemn it! You seek to blame "billionaires" or capitalism for the ills of the world, because you are looking for someone to blame.
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You or your views do not impress me, so run along and spread your garbage to someone who will buy it... because I don't. Have a nice day, Kevin 🐱
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@TrueAfricanHero .. While I am glad that she is wising up, it is INCREDIBLY frustrating to constantly watch leftists who push the most insane policies, with literally ZERO consideration of the consequences of those actions. Anyone of 40ish yo and with a micro brain, realizes that putting a brand new roof on a home with a crumbling foundation is idiotic. However, here we are, watching Biden destroy America's energy independence, BEFORE creating the infrastructure necessary to replace it!!!! Grewsom and his merry minions of legislators and lobbyists, propose a vote to usher in the support for EV's, but given exactly ZERO concern for what it takes to actually implement it all. Ana and Cenk are talking about "govt assistance", but they are to GD'd stupid to accept that the govt just TAKES from you and I, pisses away a mega sheet-ton of the funds, lines their pockets and gives the contract out to the company who will provide the biggest kickback or gave the most money to their campaign.
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Ana is just now seeing where the rubber hits the road, because she refused to raise her head up high enough over the gas pedal to see the Grand Canyon gorge down the road that does not have a bridge!
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@sole__doubt .. Let me guess. You are a fan of Steven Crowder, well... I am as well. You think that DW works on behest of big tech and that when SC gets booted permanently from YouTube, that DW, or anybody, should continue to pay $50M or whatever the contract? Seems that you are happy to spend $50M of someone elses money, even though you lose 50% of the revenue generated by the employee. Look.... nobody, including myself, is going to argue that this was a good contract, as we know SC is worth that much money. Here's the problem... SC is a hair's breath from full cancellation 24/7, because we have seen it with AJ and others. SC does not want to be removed from YT any more than DW, because SC makes a LOT of $$$ on this platform. Yes, he does, but not due to monitization, but because he builds his brand, sells MC subs and has his ads.
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If SC wants independence, he cannot as for guaranteed $$$, when he is inches from being removed from nearly all platforms at all times. SC needs to strike a deal with The Rumbles and take the hit in salary.
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@sole__doubt ... EDIT: I just now found can see a reply that was invisible until AFTER I wrote the following. For context, I will leave this comment.
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I DID make several points, that I am more than willing to expand upon and provide other reasons why I disagree with your opinion. Your reply..."Im not here to convince im here to convey". Um, you did not convey anything, but your opinion. I offered to expand WHY I hold my position and you are unwilling to do so yourself. Please tell me again who amongst us is not providing an argument?
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Please tell me where I said or indicated in ANY way, that "... the more money a channel brings in the better?". What I provided was a very brief description of the things that show DW is NOT about appeasing or on the side of big tech. I can go on and on with many more examples. What you are asking me to do is make my case, so you don't have to do so yourself. This is called failure of presenting your argument in good faith. YOU said that DW works 110% for big tech, therefore, it is incumbent upon YOU to make the case as to why. Seems you are asking me to prove a negative and that is not how a good faith discussion happens.
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You are going way out of your way to avoid supporting your claim, so until you do, no good faith discussion can be had. Again... have a nice day, SD 🐈
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I will re-iterate that we should both refrain from staw manning, yet you have now done so multiple times! Yes... it is true that larger channels get away with things smaller ones do not. That is not something I support, just happens to be how things work in general. YouTube has a WHOLE lot more to lose from DW or SC leaving the platform, than say MY channel with its 72 subs and 9 videos.
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Please tell me how reality "proves they are in the club" and that I support them for that reason"? Yes, it is also true that once a business or entity becomes larger and larger, they have a greater amount of people to which they need to support, so I will not argue that compromises are and must be made. This is HOW business works and is unavoidable, because with bigger business becomes bigger responsibility to make sure that business survives. However, that does NOT mean that because they make some compromises, that this company should be automatically removed from being considered authentic or genuine. This depends on evaluation of each "compromise" as we see them and making the determination.
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DW does make certain concessions in order to remain on YouTube... just as SC or ANY conservative channel. This is because, whether we like it or not... YouTube IS the shark in the pond and we must ALL deal with that shark, in order to swim in it! If you feel that DW makes too many compromises... fine. No doubt they do make some, but the compromises they DON'T make, are the reasons I support them.
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Conservatives are in an EXTREMELY vulnerable position, so while I am not in lock-step with any one channel, I support those that fight the WOKE cult. DW has done more to fight the WOKE cult than many have. They do so by supporting JBP, Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro and others. YES... there are those who take issue with DW... fine. They have their reasons, just as you do.
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I support DW's efforts to fight the WOKE cult and I will support them, even though they make some compromises that may lose a battle, but continue to fight the war!
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@sole__doubt ... I get that is your opinion and I both disagree and have expressed why. This does not mean I am lost any more than you are. Why is it that your opinion must be 100% correct and mine is 100% wrong? I accept that as companies / businesses or in this case, social media channels, have to compromise some things in order to survive. Here is the problem, if DW makes NO compromises, they are removed from YouTube and they have precisely ZERO voices on the inside for which to fight the culture war the leftist cult is waging upon us all. As you said, this there is no science to determine what can and cannot be compromised, but we must make that determination for ourselves. What is too big? What if the audience is as 100% committed to fighting the WOKE cult as that channel? What do you think it costs to produce the documentary "What Is A Woman"? Matt was flown across this globe to other countries and many, many interviews. You are aware that taking on such an undertaking takes money... right? Much of DW's content is demonitized, so they must fund their business and the many dozens of people via sponsors. Well, as you and I both know, there is no over abundance of companies willing to pay good money to advertise on conservative channels, because the WOKE cult WILL attack them and a MASSIVE number have folded to the fear of that mob.
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The pay wall allows users to get exclusive content for a fee and that fee PAYS for the machine that CREATES all of the content that fights the WOKE cult! If you don't see the value in supporting the channel, that is your option. However, to in any way equate a channel or business as in some way "selling out" (not your exact words, but sums up what you are telling me), because they have an option to charge for special services, tells me you have never run a business or company. Well, I have.... and it takes money to support the machine that makes the commitment to pay for it all.
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Go ahead and not like DW, but I won't call you "lost" because you and I disagree 🐱
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@checkyoursixgaming OMG... I wish people would just read what I said very clearly above. It MAKES NO DIFFERENCE that the weapon was a prop.... I was assumed to be real, so a "threat" is legitimately perceived. I am 100 BILLION % fine with that, but her lack of trigger discipline is the ONLY strength the prosecutor actually has here. We KNOW it is crap that they are in any legal trouble, but welcome to 2020 and leftist politicians running so much of our country.
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Nobody physically approached the McCloskey's personal space, so they should have kept the weapons pointed down and OFF the trigger. I am not saying the crowd did not have harmful intent, they absolutely did. If they did NOT have weapons, there is ZERO doubt in my mind they would have rushed the house and at the very least caused damage, but likely burned it to the ground. Had the McCloskey's kept the weapons pointed AWAY from these people, there would be nobody siding with the prosecutor here. I don't blame them for pointing the weapon, but THAT is the issue that has them in hot water here. If the gun is facing down, it can be raised in a split second to fire IF NECESSARY. Pointing a gun all around at people creates the optics that SUPPORT the prosecutor pressing charges, as the media will sell it that way. We all know that in the end, it will fall apart, for several reasons. A huge swath of this country is blinded by leftist news and they are out there believing the lies because the images are manipulated to fit the narrative we ALL know they want to sell. That is sad, but it is reality :(
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The McCloskey's would have been 100% just as protected if they kept the guns pointed down and off the trigger. Whether that is what any of us would have done is unknown, but a trained soldier in the military would NOT have waved a weapon at people as she did and that is being used as the excuse to press for prosecution. I don't agree they should be doing that, but I have no say in Mo. law.
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@checkyoursixgaming ... Am I OK with cops killing children? You actually ask that question? You and I disagree on some EXTREMELY fine nuances of this situation and your go-to is that I approve of cops killing children? WTF! Why don't you sit down with Cathy Newman on Channel 4 and play the "so you are saying" game with her, because I wont.
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I am not a lawyer, I am just giving you a VERY reasonable interpretation of how a hell of a lot of people see this situation (without breaking down the fine points of state laws). It doesn't make one bit of difference of how you or I interpret the law here or what we think is morally acceptable. We both know that if the prosecutor has a stick up his arse to file charges, he will do exactly that. Maybe he doesn't believe he has a snowballs chance in hell of conviction, but he is just virtue signaling anyway and The Constitution and Bill of Rights are the ultimate victims here, so let's keep our eye on the ball.
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@Anahi1991 .. Thank you, but I deserved to get punished for what I said here. I had not watched the video, but went on my general take of mandatory gratuities.
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As a rule, I do not like them. However, local businesses know the people and society well, so I have ZERO place calling them out for something they likely did NOT want to implement, but felt compelled, due to failure of gratuities. In the big picture, I would like to see society recognize the work waitresses / waiters do and accept to pay higher price for meals, so as not to require tipping, to give them a reasonable salary.
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Tipping was originally designed to be gift for a particularly nice experience, often enhanced by those who work the tables. I wish it was not necessary to make them mandatory, but in some cases... it most certainly is 🐈head bonk
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@hamnchee .. As mentioned... SF is 35 miles away from where I am sitting at this moment. I was born in SF and been there a hundred times, but not been back since 2014.
EXAMPLE: Homeless always take shopping carts to carry their stuff around. The Board of Stupidvisors passed legislation that if a grocery store found one of carts full of stuff, they must contact the police and the police would travel to location and put a ticket on the shopping cart. THEN... if the shopping cart was STILL in that same location 24 hours later, the store could take back THEIR OWN PROPERTY!
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They also, as you likely heard, passed legislation to make any shoplifting of LESS than $950 a misdemeanor and the courts will not prosecute / pursue any claims. Furthermore, they will arrest those who seek to stop the shoplifting, so the stores enact their own policies to stand aside when people steal. Well, as any moroon with a single brain cell can figure out, shoplifting has NO deterrents at all.
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@LucasFernandez-fk8se .. Yes, they could... but they won't. That Safeway is HUGE and the developer will not go that far out of their way to sacrifice the living space they could sell. The parking lot is not anywhere near as large as my local Safeway and Lucky here, but in order to satisfy the codes for that many square feet of retail store, they need to provide at least that many spaces PLUS spaces for the cars of those who live there. Of course, the City will force the developer to have 1/4 of spaces with EV charging stations, so that will cost more parking. If were NY, they could just build it taller, to handle all the parking, but the City will not allow the additional parking levels (elevation) that would be confined to the square footage of the existing building (Safeway), What they will do to grease the wheels of the City, is put a convenience store below, the size of a 7/11.
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@caledunsmore ... The glue has failed many years ago and had to deal with my two lower teeth missing for several days. Hard to speak well, looks TERRIBLE, people constantly asking about it, must be VERY conscious when biting into / tearing French bread or possibly biting on maybe a tough seed or something. One day the glue will fail again. My "stubs" that hold the bridge, will need to be cleaned and prepped, so the current bridge will likely not fit any longer. I will probably have to get a brand new one made, which will take at least a week, cost me probably $2K.
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@caledunsmore .. Yes. Not only did he lose several more teeth (mine were only two bottom center), but was a more violent and even more out of nowhere. In my particular case, I saw a guy laying in the middle of sidewalk, like 11:30 night, as I approached him (50 feet away), I was calling out.. "are you OK.. Do you need help?". He just got up and started charging me (while I was still like 25 feet away). I had been drinking a bit, so was not hammered, but pretty loopy. I was VERY taken aback, as it was so sudden. This guy was a LOT bigger than me and within a few seconds... "POW". He continued to charge me and I was in zero condition to defend myself, so I just bailed.
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@trevoravery9270 …. Is it wrong, to whatever degree you define it, to protest justice Kavanaugh in a public area by doing so outside of a restaurant...? Yes or no?
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Neither approached that person, they simply were being rude to them in a public space, right? I did not say AOC is not a hypocrite of MASSIVE proportions or not greatly overstating and lied about what Stein said. I am saying, that while she deserves exactly what she got, she was harassed. Was nowhere even in the stratosphere of Kavanaugh, who gets death threats and a actually a literal physical would be attempt, but she was harassed.
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@JimAbbotts ... and it will continue to get worse, LONG before it gets better. For it to get better, the citizens need to stop supporting / voting for office hot just those who have a record of extremely liberal policies, but LOUDLY proclaim that they will implement them once elected. To this point, San Francisco, Chicago, Portland, NY...etc, simply not willing to look at what they see and attribute it to the choices THEY make.
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@jamesdonoghue7967 ... Even the kid who continuously rams his head into a brick wall, figures out that is not the smartest thing to do eventually... right? Society WILL learn, but it is it has taken this long, to recognize that the "leaders" they support and rise to positions of governing, actually have consequences.
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Statistically, there is no question, that some of them have made the connection and more are doing so every day. Crazy, how we said this is PRECISELY what would happen and history is littered with instances of "for every action, there is a reaction"... but the previous generation, failed to tell THIS one, of the warning signs.
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They will get it eventually. The problem becomes, will there be anything left to save by the time they do?
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@nickkoyle3599 ... I have never watched any of Dore's work. I have seen bits and pieces, mostly reactions, so I don't have any legit opinion, other than what I have heard from those who do watch him. My understanding, is that he is not far left on all topics and willing to have a good faith conversation... as per what I have heard. Never watched any TYT, but seen a TON of reaction videos, so my bias is quite skewed against the channel. That said, most of what I have seen is from Sean here and while he is certainly biased against them, he will always give credit where due and is not one to utterly strip context from a Cenk rant and straw man him. Cenk is king of the straw man, as I have seen him say the most awful things about white people, conservatives and in complete context.
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We all have our biases and I am certainly no exception. My issue comes from where TYT is formatted as a "News" outlet, so when they, and Cenk is the king of this, remove very necessary details or context from an event and then built an ENTIRE segment / rant upon that false premise... the entire argument is complete trash. All news outlets, including Fox, AON, Rebel and all the rest, have and DO inject bias and frame in a way that caters to an audience that can create a "bubble". However, the right-leaning media, is ever on the defense, as we see monumental bias to the point of lies, by omission, as well as other issues. Quick example is the [convent+kids+native+man] a number of years back. I can point to more recent, but this was especially bad, as several got their arses sued off over it. The news outlets [we both know who they are], had the entire video exchange, yet maliciously edited it to appear as though this young man was mocking or [bothering] the native man, when this was 100% the opposite of events. He was said to have had a [fruit-punch+able+face] on national broadcast news, to the point where his family got [removal+threats]. These outlets HAD the entire video, but wanted to make this boy look bad, because [dark+pink+baseball+hat] wearing.
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@RawOlympia ... The "left" left us all, as the moderate liberals allowed a wholesale takeover by MarxistCrats and socialists those who would raise the West to the ground, in the hopes that utopia will simply spring up out of the earth like a flower. There are MANY abhorrent issues with the ideology that has now taken deep root with in the Democratic party, but chief among them is the outright demonization of those ideas that would challenge their position as "right-wing extremists" (this would be anyone who is 1 degree politically right of Nancy Pelosi). This level of pure narcissism has never before been seen on this scale in the Western world. There have and always will be those who are very self-righteous, but this is a whole new level and by those who have an EXTREME influence and incredible control over the flow of information.
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We MUST have liberal ideas to work in concert with conservative ones, but the degree of malevolent self-appointed arbiters of what is and is not acceptable discourse and "values", is very literally tearing society apart. The wholesale abandonment of all the values upon what the Western World was built, is a runaway train with the brake-lever broken off and headed directly for a sharp bend in the tracks, just as it is about to traverse a bridge over the Grand Canyon.
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Those of us who are still sane, are trying to reach across to those who have no interest in good faith address of issues, only to shove their idea of "values" down everyone's throat. I fear by the time we recognize that playing by the standard rules of discourse are quite literally not possible, it will be too late to stop that train. I happen to think that it is already too late, it just depends on how many of those train cars go off the end of that bridge into the canyon below.
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Yes... I am very [dark+grey+pilled] these days, as we cannot [resist] so many problems on this many fronts
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@RawOlympia ... The "left" left us all, as the moderate liberals allowed a wholesale takeover by [Marxist+Crats] and socialists those who would [remove+West+ground], in the hopes that utopia will simply spring up out of the earth like a flower. There are MANY [ab+horrent] issues with the ideology that has now taken deep root with in the [donkey] party, but chief among them is the outright demonization of those ideas that would challenge their position as "right-wing extremists" (this would be anyone who is 1 degree politically right of [former+speaker+house]). This level of [pure+narcissism] has never before been seen on this scale in the Western world. There have and always will be those who are very [self+righteous], but this is a whole new level and by those who have an EXTREME influence and incredible control over the flow of information.
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We MUST have liberal ideas to work in concert with conservative ones, but the degree of [male+volent+self+appointed+arbiters] of what is and is not acceptable discourse and "values", is very literally [tearing+society+apart]. The wholesale [abandoned+values] upon what the Western World was built, is a runaway train with the brake-lever broken off and headed directly for a sharp bend in the tracks, just as it is about to traverse a bridge over the Grand Canyon.
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Those of us who are [not+insane], are trying to reach across to those who have no interest in good faith address of issues, only to shove their idea of "values" down everyone's throat. I fear by the time we recognize that [standard+rules+discourse] are [not+possible], it will be too late to stop that train. I happen to think that it is already too late, it just depends on how many of those train cars go off the end of that bridge into the canyon below.
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Yes... I am very [dark+grey+pilled] these days, as we cannot [resist] so many problems on this many fronts
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@RawOlympia ... The "left" left us all, as [moderate+liberals] [allowed+wholesale+takeover] by [Marxist+Crats+socialists] those who would [remove+West+ground], in the hopes that utopia will simply spring up out of the earth like a flower. There are MANY [ab+hor+rent] issues with the ideology that has now taken deep root with in the [horse+kinda] party, but chief among them is the outright [de+monization] of those ideas that would challenge their position as ["right+wing+extreme+ists"] (this would be anyone who is 1 degree [politically+right+former+speaker+house]). This level of [pure+narcissism] has never before been seen on this scale in the Western world. There have and always will be those who [very+self+righteous], but this is a whole new level and by those who have an [EXTREME+influence+incredible+control+flow+information].
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We MUST have liberal ideas [working+with+conservative] ones, but the degree of [male+volent+self+appointed+arbiters] of what is and is not acceptable [discourse+"values"], is very literally [tearing+society+apart]. The wholesale [abandoned+values] upon what [Western+World+built], is a [runaway+train+brake-lever+broken+headed+sharp+bend+tracks], just as it is about to traverse a bridge over the Grand Canyon.
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Those [not+insane], are trying to reach across to those who have no interest in good faith address of issues, only [shove+idea+"values"+down+throat]. I fear by [time+recognize] that [standard+rules+discourse] are [not+possible], it will be too [late+stop+train]. I happen to think [already+too+late], it just depends on how many [train+cars+fall+end+bridge+canyon].
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@RawOlympia ... The "left" left us all, as [moderate+liberals] [allowed+wholesale+takeover] by [Marxist+Crats+socialists] those who would [remove+West+ground], in the hopes that utopia will simply spring up out of the earth like a flower. There are MANY [ab+hor+rent] issues with the ideology that has now taken deep root with in the [horse+kinda] party, but chief among them is the outright [de+monization] of those ideas that would challenge their position as ["right+wing+extreme+ists"] (this would be anyone who is 1 degree [politically+right+former+speaker+house]). This level of [pure+narcissism] has never before been seen on this scale in the Western world. There have and always will be those who [very+self+righteous], but this is a whole new level and by those who have an [EXTREME+influence+incredible+control+flow+information].
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We MUST have liberal ideas [working+with+conservative] ones, but the degree of [male+volent+self+appointed+arbiters] of what is and is not acceptable [discourse+"values"], is very literally [tearing+society+apart]. The wholesale [abandoned+values] upon what [Western+World+built], is a [runaway+train+brake-lever+broken+headed+sharp+bend+tracks], just as it is about to traverse a bridge over the Grand Canyon.
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Those [not+insane], are trying to reach across to those who have no interest in good faith address of issues, only [shove+idea+"values"+down+throat]. I fear by [time+recognize] that [standard+rules+discourse] are [not+possible], it will be too [late+stop+train]. I happen to think [already+too+late], it just depends on how many [train+cars+fall+end+bridge+canyon].
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Yes... I am very [dark+grey+pilled] these days, as we cannot [resist] so many problems on this many fronts
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@RawOlympia .. I'll try this....Truth, fact, agreement, logic, fact, fact, truth, reasonable opinion, logic, common sense, fact, logic reason, fact, fact, fact. Wow, that was easier than I thought and expressed everything I wanted to say, but was unacceptable by [over+lords+master]
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@underacheiver2000 ... I am thankful that Vince and the others are willing to do so. The WOKE cult relies specifically on frustrating those who challenge their opinions, because they have learned that it is not necessary to make their case, only to circle around with incoherent random statements, as if when added all together, make their case. To the WOKE cult, it is not about winning the position with facts and reason, it is about leaving others with no way to make an argument against insane double standards and false logic.
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It takes a special kind of person to tolerate THAT kind of situation, stay on point and not get thrown completely off their game with emotional frustration. Were Vince or any others to walk away, due to the iNsAnE rhetoric being spewed, the WOKE cult will interpret that as a "win". In reality, they would have ALL lost, because when dialog ends, we are forced to address impasse in other ways.
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The cult is not concerned with bringing someone to their position, they are concerned with shutting down any other position.
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@burtreynolds8030 ... Yes. One consistent I have seen with ALL the creators I follow, is integrity. We all make errors and if we were 100% honest they are always avoidable. Whether by lack of due diligence, as Seantiago has admitted here or simply deciding NOT to say / report something, until it has been varified.
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ALL of us are guilty of this, but each of my creators OWN the mistakes / errors they find and goes as far as possible to clean it up. They either re-edit the video (losing ALL of the likes, shares, comments) and create a new thumbnail owning the error and with new / updated information. Hell, Matt Christiansen had spent MANY hours over 3 days putting together a 15 min. segment, only to find out that the INITIAL information everyone was working upon, turns out to be 100% false. This make his entire video useless, as it was built upon what was exposed to be bad information that everyone had.
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He chose to completely scrap the video and thus tossing all of his work. He was not happy to do so, but his personal honor is worth WAY more than trying to edit in changes and salvage his work.
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@@Ranidine26 .. Not a "hard" calling out, no... but he actually pushed back, which was absolutely unthinkable, just a year or so ago. Yes, the Capitol police are as corrupt as the FBI, DOJ, ATF and all the rest. This is why I feel Trump is the ONLY one who would be capable of taking a wrecking ball to the system. I don't know that he will, as nobody knows, but he CERTAINLY has the motivation and, more importantly... he has NO political future to protect.
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He can make an absolute moral enemy of the entire Democratic party, already has, but can cement it for all time, but unlike every other person running, he has no political future of which to be concerned.
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To make the difference ONLY he can make:
1) MUST have sound majority in House
2) MUST have sound majority in Senate
3) MUST retain / strengthen SCOTUS
4) MUST have the GD'd balls to tell the American people what he wants, where he is going and immediately rescind 100% of ALL Biden's EO's. He must get the wall built, America energy independent, then dial back a HUGE amount of the meddling in foreign affairs and work on America for a change.
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I have NO IDEA if Trump is gonna have all those things in a row, but it will also take good people to stand up and StOP COMPLYING with tyranny of the Democrats.
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@sleepykittyH ….Yup 😺 More frequent then I would like, I get comments or feedback that I am not pissed enough or pressing hard enough back, so am disrespected, as if I “am playing into the lefts hands” or “just a sheep who will just continue to comply, until we lose everything”.
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These people know nothing about me, only that I don’t fight back in the same way they do. Mid 2020, I got a notice of jury duty. I contacted the clerk and told her I was fine with jury duty, this is being honest, but I would not wear a mask, under any circumstances. She gave me a reprieve, for 6 mo. because she thought requirement would be over by then.
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Fast forward 6 mo. and still required. I again reiterated my stance and she said, too bad, you have to wear a mask. I told her I would show up at the courthouse, but when the people at the door demand I mask, I would refuse and they were going to have to arrest me. I went on to say, that if I was to be required to wear a mask ANYWHERE they take me, I would continue to refuse.
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I fold her this was 100% non-negotiable under 100% of circumstances and if anyone attempted to force me to wear a mask, they would literally have to incapacitate me via stun or gun. If so, when I awoke, I would rip the mask off and it would start all over again. I was not kidding, but I was not rude or a dick about it, just that this was, and remains, a hill I will absolutely and literally die on.
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She finally sent my “request” to the judge, along with this string of about 5 emails laying out all of the above. He refused to contact me, so along came the evening when I was to call in after 5:00 PM and confirm if needed the following day.
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I was excused 😺
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@spacetruckerdan6827 ... Cenk most certainly makes himself an easy target for memes and mockery! Cenk is the UNDISPUTED KING of straw-manning others and it is simply impossible to believe that he ACTUALLY thinks Kyle Rittenhouse's actions can simply be explained away by a white supremacist that just wanted to hunt down people to kill.... can he? (not asking you.. rhetorical) I get that he supports the actions of literal terrorists, like BLM & Antifa, but how can one become so catastrophically driven by an ideology to have essentially zero ability to view such things with any objectivity at all?
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We are all bias to some degree and I admit to my bias being very much anti Regressive / Marxist / leftist ideologue, but I am not blind, as TYT and those they host would HAVE to be, to say the trash they say. I would like to argue that this is simply done under the guise of "entertainment", but what they say goes light-years beyond SIMPly playing to their audience and is objectively malice on an a very high level.
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I have to apply the same to Joseph Goebbels Propaganda Media Machine, but I don't think for .2 nano's they are out for ANYTHING, but to destroy any and all with whom they disagree.
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I am not telling you anything you don't already know, but damn....TYT, mainstream media, Regressives and Biden admin are pure evil in my book.
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@Galilelo_Telescope ... I completely disagree, that govt. should be doing this, because the "govt" spends OUR money and very poorly 99.9% of the time. For the state to pay for these surgeries, is to mandate socialized healthcare and cannot be done, without stealing labor from those who would provide it. This is a an ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE subject, but if the govt EVER got control of universal healthcare, it would be a CATASTROPHE! When we remove competition, we remove incentive to improve, services, quality and access. If the feds took control, they would hire 300K full benefit government employees, spend 85% of the tax revenue on them and piss away the remaining 15% on rationed services.
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@housewilma4904 ... The problem is that the people who do such terrible things as this, were not raised with the respect for human life. I get that this child is 13 yo, but I sure as hell never considered killing someone with whom I got in a bad argument or fight, when I was that age. For you and I, shame is how we address bad behavior, this goes WAY, WAY, WAY beyond bad behavior, but is because you and I understand that this is the incorrect response to deal with this dispute. Therefore, you and I WILL feel guilty after the fact and shame will just hold up a mirror that we don't want to see. In the case of those who attempt to kill another over stupid things like this, have no such guilt, because they were never taught the most basic values of all... respect for other human life. This is behind the organized flash mobs that raid and destroy stores or when we see 5 kids jump 1 and beat them mercilessly after they are down and literally unconscious.
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PS> I have no words to explain the depravity of what the judge has done, but the fundamental issue is how we got to the point where a 13 yo would do such a thing as this.
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@nunote2362 ... I am 59 and as mentioned prior, this has always existed, but was not the "norm" it is today. Obviously, there are parts of the country or inner cities when over the top and need to consider gang's, as these are in overwhelming cases, issues of "terf".
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My point still stands. The average person who got in a fight, typically at school over some slight, legit or otherwise, was not a death match. I am not, nor have not said that such things never happened, because this is clearly not true. I can see, over the course of my lifetime, that the instances of fights turning into multiple people on one and often times, people who simply wanted to "get in on a beat-down", join in for a few kicks to the head, when the person was clearly unconscious or far too injured to go on.
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This is a special kind of malice that stems from a fundamental lack of respect for human life and is vastly more prevalent in particular demographics. The primary of those, being fatherless homes with no proper male role model to instill those values and "fear" how dad would respond when the school called and said hit child was threatening / bullying another child. We have 3 full generations now, whom have been increasingly more indoctrinated with an "us vs. them" mentality of oppressed / oppressor.
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The cannon of values that were the foundation of the West, are not just failed to be taught, but we have sitting Congress members who openly embrace socialism on a large enough scale that should concern us all. All my life there has been some oddball who was a "Socialist Party" member, but we saw this on mass scale, by BLM and Antifa, during the Summer of 2020. Times have changed and these kids seeking death over a disagreement, are a reflection of that change.
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@victornieves1794 ... Of course they did. The other day, there were 76 comments listed on a Lauren Chen video, so I logged out of my account, went back to page and found a total of 34, I think it was, and included all of the replies.
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There was 50%+ comments deleted or hidden and only the person who posted can tell the difference. One of my creators just got his channel susp. for 7 days, over a "bullying / harassment" comment from a LIVE stream 4 weeks ago. Refuse to tell him what it was or even if it was one of the hosts. This could have been a Super Chat, that had some darker humor, but will not tell him.
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The issues is intentionally kept vague, because there is no proper policing to correct the wrong-thinkers "error of their ways"... it is about punishing conservatives. You can tell how many comments are hidden or deleted, as the "comments" total listed atop is actually how many there are and the "replies" listed are how many their were. So this thread says 23 replies (25 including the one I am responding, as well as THIS one), but as per your counting, there should now be 22 right now.
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Welcome to how conservatives are treated on this platform.
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@haku8135 ... DING DING DING +25 purr credits to you for stating what is so obvious to all but the cult!
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In a not so small way, this case contributed directly to not my NOT watching a Zubinator podcast yesterday, in which he had a lady, who after the video has been released, likely has a very good case for police misconduct. Obviously, this happens, but 95%+ of the cases we see people INSTANTLY screaming about, were completely justified actions by officers.
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This particular case is a perfect example, as we hear nothing about it any longer, as the video proved the guy did all he could to escalate into a situation that was totally unnecessary. Hindsight is always 20/20, so we sit back in the comfort of our living rooms, dog laying next to your feet, cup of tea right there, completely relaxed and cry foul. It is 1 day after the fact, from a TOTALLY different visual angle and ZERO stakes on the line in any way. We say..."woulda, shoulda, coulda" from that comfort and condemn a cop and is EXTREMELY often, we have information that he could not POSSIBLY have known.
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@kariahl8845 ... The issue with American criminal justice system, as with ALL systems, ultimately falls to the people who operate it. Our criminal justice system is the FINEST ON PLANET EARTH without one microscopic iota of a doubt..... on paper! I don't know how to stop corruption, ignorance or those who would lie, cheat or steal to gain political, financial or societal gain by doing so. Sometimes... people are NOT any of those things, but are just wrong, biased or some of each. There is no justice system in the world that is without such problems, but I can tell you this. I would not want my fate in the hands of ANY other countries justice system and I think you would probably agree :)
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Mark Harris ... I would approach it in the identical way. While all of these things were 100% true at the time of his murder, it takes a certain amount of time for ALL of it to not only be digested by the legal parties, but accepted as well. Once a trial has ended, the losing party examines it all and looks for things that may have been illegal or mishandled in some way and we need to allow time for that to happen. We HAVE seen cases, Thin Blue Line being an example, of when someone was wrongly convicted and may have been put to death. Such events MUST give us pause, if we are to be a morally grounded society that is based upon tenants of the Ten Commandments.
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What we see here is that the system worked as it should, in the sense of exercising appeals and making sure we don't get a person recanting testimony and the like. What happened in THIS case, as with many.... activists! They, HollyMarx in this particular case, have VASTLY more influence on society than they aught to and for unconscious reasons, people will hear a very famous actress make a claim of racism or something and the idea catches fire among media and then society. There is literally ZERO reason why Denzel Washington should have any more credibility than you, me or any random stranger on the street.... but they do :(
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Once a large contingent of very influential people get involved, we all pop our heads out the window to see what all the fuss is about. When we have social and mainstream media willing to outright LIE, either by playing semantics, obfuscating or omission, people find it difficult to dismiss, because it is done with not only great conviction, but on video. Such communication is a POWERFUL thing and its influence should never be underestimated.
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@kariahl8845 ... I apologize :( I did not mean to suggest that you did, but I can see how I wrote my comment, it might have suggested that :)
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As for the actual "system" being at fault, I would 100% disagree, as it is the people who mess things up. If ALL arrests were handled in a completely objective manner and to the letter of how it is written on that paper, we would have exceedingly few complaints about it at all. As far as I can tell, this case was textbook per that "paper", but only got screwed up now because of activists getting activated.Of course, we humans are NEVER 100% objective and there in lies the rub!
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I am sure if we looked at all legal proceedings of all cases ever tried, we would find things that fell through the cracks, so to speak. There are literally infinite variables that can happen and there is NO system of any kind that can account for them all in every way possible. This is why we have a lengthy appeals process, court appointed lawyers and such, because we sometimes see long after the trial, that someone has a few too many and spilled the beans to someone and perjured him / her self. It is for this reason that I am not in favor of immediate execution, if a verdict of capital punishment is given.
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Derek Chauvin has filed an appeal and is likely due to the images we have all seen of one jury member who was well aware of BLM and even had a t-shirt in that photo, yet claimed non-bias when he was being selected for jury duty. While this does not exonerate Chauvin's behavior, there was VERY clear misconduct by a jury member and he is the one who should be blamed, if Chauvin gets a new trial. If BLM rampages through America again, I will blame them for what they do as well. There are many issues about that particular case that were not handled well, but in the court of public opinion, rightly or wrongly, a MASSIVE amount of earths population witnessed what they believe to be the murder of George Floyd.
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@kariahl8845 ... Your right! After I wrote 100%, I took a little pause, but I believe I covered those anomalies a bit later in my comment. However, the judge determines bias is true, but a judge has bias of his / her own, so this STILL falls back to the people who operate the system. Based on this criteria, it can never be possible to have a "fair" (literally impartial) trial, therefore would be grounds for a mis-trial 100% of the time... see where I am going with this? The idea being is that both attorneys have the ability to challenge the judge on a particular ruling he or she makes during the trial and that is a check and balance thing, as written on that "paper". Of course, BOTH attorney's have a bias, as well as the jury members and we can go on and on. The system understands there is bias, but since it cannot be removed from the equation, there are ways to address an issue when bias is believed to be influencing the proceedings and there is literally no other way we can do this.
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Both attorneys even have such power to ask the judge to recuse him / herself and there are other procedures that can get other judges involved to determine bias, if the issue is pressed hard enough. Yes, there are most certainly rulings that enable the ability for others to abuse, but again.... this is absolutely unavoidable and there are procedures in place for an attorney to call out bias, mistrial or other when it is believed to have occurred. Sometimes this is not noticed or picked up until well after the trial has concluded.
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As for mandatory minimums, yes.... that would seem to be a "hard line" as dictated by legislation or laws passed by citizens. However, no matter HOW definitive that law or legislation, there is going to be extenuating circumstances in nearly 100% of those cases. That is why a judge has to do exactly that... judge. It then becomes the attorneys job to decide if that judgement was fair or shows a perceived bias.
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As for underpaying for a soda, seems like you may be getting at the 3rd strike laws? If so, we have to consider that a person has already had 2 felony convictions, so when he steals a piece of pizza, which was one highly publicized case, he goes to prison for life or whatever the mandatory sentence is for that crime in that state. Such a sentence is NOT because he stole a piece of pizza, it is because he used a knife and has gotten two chances already and failed to live up to the agreement he made when released from that second conviction. I get that it sucks going to prison for stealing a slice of pizza, but that is NOT the actual reason he is going away again.
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If I am understanding you correctly, you feel that the judge should have called for a mis-trial, once it became known that the jurist lied... am I correct? If so, than this again falls back to bias, procedure failure or whatever legal reason and is but one of the way in which the system works to correct human "errors", let's call them. I am not a lawyer, nor was I involved in that trial, obviously, but IMO, the judge seems to have violated Chauvin's rights and hence the appeal that has been make is all but guaranteed to include that action within the document filed by his attorney.
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In conclusion here... I do get that no matter HOW hard we try, no matter HOW many procedures we have and no matter HOW much we want to get it right, there are just too many people involved. 100% of them, through action or inaction due to personal bias, has the possibility to have a direct impact on the outcome of a trial. Since we cannot possibly remove all of those from the equation, we also have done our best to not put the death penalty on a perfect citizen in EVERY single societal valued way, until that one day commits the most horrific crime imaginable. When this happens, such a case is always tried as a mentally deficient person, maybe a minor, and we don't sentence capital punishment on such people.
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So, we have to make a decision. Either we do the best we can as a people, and admittedly we certainly fail at times, and permit capital punishment in states that allow it OR lock them away until the end of time. We have to weigh these options as they BOTH come with a very high price. One in living with the execution of a person who may be found innocent at a later date, although exceedingly rare, it has happened. Or two... lock them away and pay a monetary price in building more prisons and taxpayer support until the end of their life. Or three... discuss rehabilitation and all three have drawbacks that can have a VERY difficult outcome with which we as a society must reconcile.
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@kariahl8845 ... As I mentioned earlier, we can ALWAYS take individual cases and hold them up as a good or bad example of 3 strikes. There are going to be just as many that were fairly administered, in a sense we would have agreement, as those that were not. Specifically in the case of the person who failed to put the correct amount of money, I am not familiar, but that is also a petty crime and not a felony that led to a 3rd strike and therefore life in prison. If it DID, than I would need more information, as I would be willing to bet there is more to the story, even if you are not aware. I am not seeking to be an apologist for any type of failure upon the criminal justice system, but you and I both understand there is always more to a story than gets reported. We need only look at the exceedingly left-leaning media which painted The Covington Kids as white supremacists, very simply because some were wearing MAGA hats. The mainstream media is ALWAYS going to seek the heart-strings point of view to paint a picture of unfair treatment in the justice system, as that is what they do. Just look at the case of JJ right here and how many have very high profile platforms and flat out lying about this case. Again, we can go tit for tat forever. There was a case in my home town, where a drunk driver on a motor cycle blew a stop sign and struck a man walking his daughter in a crosswalk. She was killed, he lost a leg and was hospitalized for many months. The driver....? he already had something like 8 felony convictions for driving under influence and proceeded to covertly flip the bird to the victims family when he was in court.
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Just like the example you gave that appears to be a miscarriage of justice, so is this one. He was given WAY too many chances and continued to piss them away. Just like virtually EVERY criminal that has been convicted several times, it is not realistic to assume these are the ONLY times he she committed such a crime and got caught 100% of the times he perpetrated one. I get that you are not for capital punishment, as you are certainly not alone. This topic is might be 2nd in controversial, to that of Rowe vs Wade.
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I think that you and I have gone about as far as we can with this and we just disagree on a few points. While these may or may not be about lives being unfairly taken, they are points that will NEVER be rendered "acceptable" to both sides of the opinion on capital punishment. I will add one more thing, that I forgot to include in earlier comments. Just because a person has a bias, does NOT mean he / she is is automatically going to be driven to error because of it and therefore incapable of being objective. While you may be more inclined to spot the times punishment was incorrect or in humane, as you put it. I am more inclined to point out where the system failed, by giving a person too many chances and left one or more victims on a long list, that should NEVER have been victimized at all, for a system that failed in the opposite direction.
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Peace, Kariah L. I think we had a good exchange here and while I don't think either of us changed our position, I think it fair to say we gave each other something more to consider when forming our own position, at least I hope so :). This conversation is EXACTLY why this nation will forever be divided, as to how we deal with those who enter the criminal justice system. It is most certainly difficult to get out of a revolving door, we must remember that before one seems trapped within that door, he / she had plenty of chances to avoid it, likely many years earlier via programs specifically designed to support 1st time offenders. Some will get trapped easier than others, but we are a forgiving nation. However, seeing the injustice perpetuated upon THIS family, by way of possible release in lieu of death sentence or even life in prison for JJ, is every bit as unfair as the guy and the soda can :)
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@kariahl8845 ... Good morning, Kariah :)
We also must recognize that the initial 2 crimes were likely NOT served to full term and release was a condition of accepting the harsher punishment, should they be caught offending again. At some point, we MUST hold people accountable and very often that accountability is harsher than would be otherwise, because they were given a second, and in these cases... a 3rd chance. To be clear... I am NOT defending the punishment of soda can guy's punishment. I doubt that YOU have any such criminal history to be concerned with 3 strikes, so why would that be? Well, because you have not engaged in the behavior that leads to those strikes, just as I have, along with the overwhelming vast majority of people. On that note, I would also look to the state that declares failure to pay for an item of less than $10.00 is considered a felony. By any metric, there is most certainly an issue there and it was peoples error to write such a statue into state law.
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3 strikes laws were not born out of whim or to just randomly punish people for instances like the case you cited. No, they were created as a response to many criminals who CONTINUE to victimize people time and time and time again, so the victimized got fed up. I understand that they are not always adjudicated in the manner in which they were intended, but the perpetrator CONTINUED to pursue crime at the expense of society. The case you cited, not withstanding, we can BOTH go back and forth with examples of how the people were seemingly over punished for a crime, as those who were given too many chances, by all objective measures (the DD I mentioned earlier as an example). I am not going to sit here and defend what happened to the soda can guy, because it does not sound like justice. However, 3 strikes was ONLY created after horrible continued abuses by career criminals, even if THIS particular one was unjust.
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I suppose the best way to address such things as 3 strikes is a panel of judges who's job it is to consider specific situations in which 3 strikes law is specifically charged. I think this would be a fantastic way to avoid abuses, but there is one single problem. 3 strikes laws were a direct response to campaigns of victims and families pleading the cases of their HORRIBLE experience with criminals that repeatedly got released, only to kill or murder their mother, father, sister or brother :( Those exact same heart-strings you feel for the soda can guy are just not as powerful as a grieving mother in front of 20 microphones, tears running down her face, eyes bloodshot from crying holding a picture of her 5 yo boy who was ruthlessly killed by a multiple felon released on parole who promised to clean up his act.
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BOTH of these are injustices, but how we proceed to fix them is the key. Due to many, many reasons, those who commit crimes are released from prison. Some have served their time and "appear" to be rehabbed, based on the panel that decides such matters, while others are released because of over crowding or maybe a procedural thing, like Bill Cosby was. In the end, we are human and there will ALWAYS be someone who rightly or wrongly got screwed over.
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I certainly don't have all the answers, any more than you do. However, personal responsibility is at the heart of 100% of those we have spoken of in this thread and includes JJ. We, as a nation, must decide if imprisonment is designed for punishment, rehabilitation or both. Sadly, there are some, and I would say that JJ falls into this category, who will NEVER be "rehabilitated" and there is just no way to determine that, based solely on his earliest criminal conviction. Unless we as a society are willing to invest many times the amount of resources into rehabilitation facilities that can spend the time necessary in an attempt to undo the damage that leads to repeat offending, we will always have the soda can guy who was over-punished and 8 time DD who was released only to commit a 9th time.
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society has a difficult time in accepting the amount of resources that go into addressing criminal behaviors, when the majority of us will never see that system, outside of a speeding or parking ticket. Just like ALL things, it comes down to money far too often. Paying ever higher and higher taxes to help those who perpetuate crimes against us all, don't get much sympathy and that is a powerful incentive to those who support harsh punishments.
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@Sofakingdom420 … well, due to federal law, they have to enable people to own fire arms, but they are creating loopholes (MASSIVE roadblocks) to allow subjective determination again. They have instituted a requirement that 3 years of social media posts / comments be provided for "evaluation" of fitness to own / conceal / carry a weapon. So if you made a mean Tweet, you can be subjectively concluded as a bully or some terrorist type, who should be denied a permit. Just like ALL leftists and most liberals, they see guns as the problem and make no distinction if they are legal and law abiding person who has one.
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@Joe Cooper ... No doubt some will do so, but they are taking a MASSIVE legal risk if caught. If someone just sees it peaking out from under shirt or whatever and reports them, the penalties will be as brutal as NY can make. God and voters willing, we will get some GOP not only in power, but with some balls to press down on these leftist cult states and FORCE them to comply with Constitutional law and allow conceal / carry, without ANY of the BS they do now. The day when law abiding, responsible and practiced gun owners are known to be all over the streets of these cities, not only will criminals give a second thought to crime, but when they DO commit one... they are MUCH more likely to be taken out by one of them.
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@A B … are you kidding?!?!?!?
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How about ANY city in Florida, for example. DeSantis is without question the best governor in all of USA. Texas is very good and we have Tennessee, N. Carolina are good as well.
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There are pockets of Democrat cities all over the country, but as you mentioned, those overrun by leftists are hell-holes. I am not saying that the GOP or conservatives have the only good ideas or that simply electing a person with an “R” after their name, is a guarantee foe success, but we have seen how the Democrats have allowed their party to be taken over by the Marxist cult
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Truth is, we need Democrats to add moderation of conservative ideas. The problem is the radicals within the Democratic party intimidate moderate ones and they either join them or sit back and STFU.
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I am not suggesting that we do nothing, but vote conservative and wait to be saved. However, short of literal overthrow and revolution, we have to support sound policies and fail to comply with tyranny of the left.
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@Jessica Mason .... No question, that if ALL people in society, be them elected to enforce laws or simply enforce the recognized rules of a given society, did the "right thing".... but they do not. The problem in 100% of cases, comes down to the nature of human beings and there is LITERALLY zero systems that can eliminate the 3 issues I mentioned in my previous comment just above yours. So long as we humans are charged with making decisions, we cannot eliminate those that would abuse the privilege in which they were assigned. We can have any number of oversight committees or checks and balances, but for EVERY one of them.... human error, human ignorance and human malice WILL enter into the equation.
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It all starts with a society that has legally, morally and tacitly agreed to a certain conduct of behavior and interaction. The moment just one citizen breaks those rules, regardless of how egregiously, those in the society must pass some judgement, punishment or correction to it. The first thing society gave up on was shaming. When society decided that "shame" was no less cruel then bullying, we began our decent off the rails of a polite functioning society. There have always been those who go WELL beyond things that simple shame would address, so we need to take the next step. Well, one in ALL cases, will lead some to take that next level of anti-social behavior. We can trace back probably 98% of serious anti-social behavior, gang killings in this case, to the failure of enforcing simple shame WAY back when it would have done some good.
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Obviously, there are those who are just born bad and no amount of shame would have stopped them from the destructive path they were on. Hell, we can look back to the earliest days of Hitler himself, and see how events and how others handled them, influenced what we saw he eventually became. Systems will ALWAYS be abused and there is no way to eliminate it. All we can do, is enforce those things that have time tested as proven to lead to the most cohesive society of the past.
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Society has failed itself and when this happens... chaos is the only possible result 😿
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@natem1982 ... To your last line... Yes. A somewhat related line, as it pertains to fighting such malevolence... "Do not become the evil you fight". To broaden your comment, this is the difficulty we deal with, when facing the evil that is leftist cult ideology. Those who ascribe to it absolutely consider themselves morally superior to the rest of us, so the the term "by any means necessary" is quite literal. The Regressive leftist has ZERO issue with ANY means to achieve their goals, as prescribed by this F'd up ideology.
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There are many things truly terrifying about the devout leftist, but chief among them is how in the HELL do we find any common ground in which to share this earth? They have left no room for compromise, debate or discussion in any way, so how do we move forward? This is the biggest reason why we cannot have a "peaceful divorce", as so many have talked about. The leftist will NOT negotiate in good faith, nor even consider intellectual honesty in discussing anything with us conservative "deplorables", as we are considered to be 100% evil.
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Not sure you bargained for this as a response to your comment, but I pride myself on problem solving and have ZERO idea how we are to get out of this mess, short of mass violence :(
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@natem1982 ... RE: There's really not any good solutions : I need to break this down a bit, so will go line by line :) I don't want to straw man you, but I am having a bit of trouble following you here. Please clarify where needed :)
1. The problem with just "letting it unfold" is that we must then accept whatever they cult decides to do and just live with the consequences. No, this is no way to live and makes one a sheep within a flock of wolves. I am not suggesting that we create chaos in order to fight chaos, but I sure as hell am not going to sit back and let the cards fall where they may and hope that Jesus saves me. I am in ZERO way religious, and don't seek to disrespect your faith, but is it your belief that Jesus will protect you from the hell the leftist wants to rein down on us all?
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2. I agree... and speaks to what I said in my last reply to you. Do not become the evil you fight, but that does NOT mean you should not fight. Fighting is not only physical confrontation, but a broad term for pushing back in whatever way one can, that avoids the pitfalls of becoming that evil. I will absolutely NOT sit back and just watch the leftist take from me, should they make such a direct move. I cannot control who ingests the Joseph Goebbels Propaganda Media Machine and takes it as gospel, but I am out here every single day, doing what I can to push back against the cult. I will not pretend it is easy or that I am making huge strides, but I will not just allow the chips to fall where they may. Those chips may end up where they go with or without my resistance, but I could not live with myself, should I sit back and hope for the best.
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3. Not sure where cancelling came in here, but I am as nearly a free speech absolutist, as it appears you are. I have never sought to cancel anyone, but I will most certainly be happy when one who DOES seek to cancel others, dies by their own sword. I have ZERO issues with people that fall victim to the censorship they once approved be used against others. You make interesting point that I have made myself, in regards to censorship. There are two fundamental questions, when it comes to censorship. The first is WHO decides what is deemed "in-appropriate" speech. Beyond fire in a crowded theatre, when there is no such fire.. calls for violence against another and such. The second is WHO decides WHO decides? The leftist cult is all about censorship, because they are currently in power, but they fail to grasp the clear and EXTREMELY obvious pitfalls of their current ways. There will come a time when the Regressives are no longer in power, hopefully in the next two election cycles, but I digress... , and the "who" that gets to decide what is acceptable will change. I am willing to bet they would be none to pleased, when a conservative appoints a new panel of arbiters of censorship!
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4. As for violence... I am not a fan. I don't wish to be violent and will do what I can to avoid it. However.... I will NEVER rule out the need for violence, when all else fails. There comes a time when violence is ABSOLUTELY the answer and if that time comes, I will know it and act accordingly.
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Peace, Nado :)
EDIT: I Have just re-read my comment here and I may need to clarify my thoughts on censorship. Simply put, I believe censorship to be evil! I want to hear what Hitler had to say, Ted Bundy and as much as Biden The Tyrantasourous Hex disgusts me, I would never seek to shut him up from whatever he has to say.
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@According_To_Matt ... The problem is that these cities, Chicago, NYC, San Crapcisco and all the rest will continue to destroy themselves and will FORCE the feds to send in the National Guard. They will lock them biotches down, set a 7:00PM curfew and will take 2~6 mo. to force the "leaders" into a plan of action. This will embolden the citizens to start having some faith and, for a time... vote for MUCH more "red" polices.
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@dollarcostbackpacker1226 ... One does not have to possess magic or good inside, to recognize that their actions were a direct tie to the murder of a family member! There are those who have seen the light and left not only the WOKE cult, but cults in general. While this is pretty rare, and particularly without serious intervention by somebody, it does happen.
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For a DA to cope with the brutal loss of a family member at the hands of someone who was a repeat, violent offender, and particularly one who has murdered people, is something I would not wish upon ANYONE. Sadly, this IS going to be the fate of some of them, because the garbage humans UN-being that kill people for far less, might just salivate at the opportunity to cause catastrophic harm to a DA that put him back on the street. Some people kill for the simple pleasure in causing harm to others and sooner or later... we will see this happen!
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@societopathyobserved9785 ... I can say with a near guarantee, that if one of these DA's, has a child BRUTALLY murdered by the hand of a felonious serial violent offender, that persons world will be ROCKED to the core!
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If that does not convince them they need to re-think, and some may be so blinded by the cult, as to NEVER see that light... than I don't know what will.
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As ANY parent who has lost a child, even if by random accident or illness and they will tell you it is a living hell for the rest of their lives. I lost a brother at 17 yo, because he was not good about taking necessary medication and our family had to deal with that. It was not violent and nobody but himself and cruel act of fate that he had such an illness to address. Now, go ask the parents of Polly Klass who had a such a person as described above, come into their home and kidnap her while they were sleeping upstairs. He killed her within a few hours, IIRC, but took a LOT longer to learn that.
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To never again be able to close your eyes and not envision your child in a nightmarish hell of absolute terror and being murdered by a well known sociopath that YOU (this DA) set free.
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@Goulash45 ... Dude... WTF? This "joke" as you insist we call it, was inciting a violent act against a building in which protesters are EXTREMELY angry about with tensions VERY high. He suggested that someone take a bomb and blow the NRA up, while people are THIS angry!
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This is not a joke about helicopter rides, as if that is a parallel in even the most microscopic of ways, this is an extremely angry mob, that is not thinking in any kind of rational way. These people are screaming epithets at the top of their lungs about how those inside this building are MURDERERS and have blood on their hands. Mobs like this need only the slightest provocation to turn from that yelling to extremely violent attacks.
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Ethan got a "threatening or bullying" strike, had the video removed and got a week suspension, I think it was. Had this been a conservative channel, it would have been "inciting violence" and almost guarantee a permanent ban and VERY likely the deletion of the channel.
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One cannot joke about bombing a building when tensions are THIS high. It is extremely irresponsible and Ethan is damned lucky no wackjob took him up on this offer for that 15 minutes of fame.
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EDIT: Go into an airport and in the most casual, OBVIOUSLY kidding, joking silly manner, say what he did... see what happens! Say what Ethan said about POTUS... see what happens! Context matters and it was WILDLY inappropriate to say what he said, during THIS situation.
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@Goulash45 ... OMG... lol. I was just making a joke because I saw that someone was being called a "contrarian" :) Didn't even know it was me... lol.
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I have never, nor would I ever claim to NOT have a bias. Of course... I have a bias, just as you and everyone else does. However, that bias does not make anything I said not factual.
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it is certainly a matter of opinion as to how much sarcasm, twinkle in the eye Ethan had when he suggested someone should bomb the building, but that is not the point. One cannot go into an airport an even in the most silly or joking ways, suggest someone should bomb the place. In the same manner, one cannot suggest one "harm" POTUS either.
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Ethan said something that should NEVER be joked about when speaking about a CURRENT situation with the amount of intense emotional feeling as was the case when he said it. As mentioned already... he was speaking off the cuff and not caught up in the moment, but it is STILL inciting a violent act. He was talking to many thousands of people at the time and was a very irresponsible thing to say.
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Do I think he should go to prison... hell no! Do I think he gave more than .2 nano's of consideration before he said that... hell no! Doesn't matter... he STILL he must be conscious of what he is saying, who is listening and the state of tension that was existing at the time.
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I argue my position not from one that is looking to be right or seek a "gotcha" moment (I am not accusing you of saying that I am). I don't even argue from an ideological position, I say what I understand to be facts of an event and apply the most intellectually honest and good faith argument I can to whoever cares to listen.
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If I am wrong... I will own it. This is not about what Ethan was thinking when he said this, it is about being responsible for the things he says. THIS was the wrong thing to say... period.
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@Goulash45 ... Dude.. for the love of God.... it was irresponsible to make such a statement. This was not two people talking on the phone. This was not a guy at a party talking to a group of people that had a few too many drinks. This was guy with a huge following of very loyal subs in which he has quite a bit of influence. Just like a Steven Crowder... Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson. The context in which he made that statement was to possibly incite violence, because he has a lot of people who listen to what he has to say and, while it is not be fair, he MUST consider what one of them might do in such an emotionally charged condition.
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You can claim he was joking or didn't really mean it or point to a definition or description on the internet... I don't care. I think he got exactly what he deserved, but I will certianly argue, that had this been identical scenario, but was a libertarian or conservative creator and not a leftist... the punishment would have been far more severe, as the channel would likely be removed.
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Ethan got at minimum what he deserved. Hopefully, he will be more careful with what he says going forward.
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EDIT: Let me clarify here. Even though, I 100% believe that a conservative would have gotten a much harsher penatly for saying this, I am not advocating that Ethan lose his channel over, as that would be an over-reaction. I am a free speech absolutist and is specifically as it relates to 1a. I want to hear what even the most extreme left, right or whatever someone things / believes, as I feel that allowing such ideas to the light of scrutiny would be far more beneficial than booting someone off of a platform, so they go underground to create an echo chamber of others who also may have anti-social opinions or views.
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Can we be done with this now, please?
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@doctorbrown5957 ... I cannot speak to what you have heard The Timinator say on his podcasts, as I not seen but only a very few of them in total. I have been following his daily videos for about 6 years, so have seen him come a LONG way of of that "milk toast fence sitter" position he was on for the first several of those years. I also will not defend anything you have heard him say, but will ad the following for some thought.
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I am uniquely on YouTube for ALL my social media life. It is not possible to tell you how many times I have had my comments deleted for "wrong think", as while I am only slightly right of center politically, that pretty much makes me Hitler to those of the farther left persuasion. I was mod for a short time on Unsafe Space (channel on YT) and was under the EVER watchful eye of YouTube minions and its algorithm. I have ALWAYS been able to say what I wanted, but most certainly had to choose my words carefully in most cases and completely re-edit my entire comment on literally hundreds of others. I had learned to copy / paste back up my comment PRIOR to "REPLY" and then refresh page 10 seconds later, to see POOF... I had wrong-thunk again.
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All I am trying to say is that while Tim may very well be compromising to some degree, we ALL have to in order to remain on nearly all of the social media platforms. YouTube may or may not be less restrictive than some other platforms, Tim would rather not be removed, for playing the game to at least a small degree. That said, he may have compromised more than I am aware and I am not an apologist for him, but I do certainly give him some pretty good benefit of the doubt, as I have come to see him as quite principled. I don't always agree with those principles, but I don't need him to agree with me, I only need him to call out hypocrisy as he sees it.. whether from the left or right.
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Peace, Doc :)
PS> Did anyone ever believe that where your're going.. you don't need any roads? :P
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@bobbob-gx1iq ... DING DING DING [+25 purr credits to you] Exactly! We have all been saying this for some time and Ana is a perfect example of FINALLY seeing that the left has gone WAY too far, even for her.
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@barbaraibiel ... RE: Kyle is not big on pronouns : I don't follow Kyle, but from what I heard here and in segments prior, he appears to want universal healthcare. I have MASSIVE issues with universal healthcare and has nothing to do with what the overwhelming preponderance would think ascribe my motivation. I am opposed to it, because the ONLY way to provide such care, is to steal labor from one person and give it to another. Still another reason, is that in America, specifically, due to the mix of society and our propensity of being overweight, we would CATASTROPHICALLY abuse the system and drive costs through the roof. Due to a nearly an open border, we would get a much higher number of people wanting in and would tax the system even more. We have 330M+ people in America and a FAR more diverse society, in terms of race, ethnicity and backgrounds. Nearly all countries have MUCH better control of their border and have a mostly a single race population. This means they all share very similar values and if you compare it to America, we have raised 3 generations of those who think socialism is a good thing and huge amount feel entitled to healthcare, UBI, free rent and the like.
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@icedriver2207 ... Try having a city with NO police and see what happens to the levels of crime! Taken a look at Portland, Chicago, San Crapcisco, Michigan, NY and others that have defunded and reduced the officers? Whether by malicious prosecution of officers for 100% justified response to criminal / illegal behavior being charged with murder and / or simply tossing them under the bus INSTANTLY upon outrage mobs on social media.
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Just because some moron will say that "NinjaKittyBonks" is 100% pro-cop in 100% of circumstances"... I will add the following. Yes... there are "bad cops", because there are bad people in society and some of them will aspire to and become officers. I don't and won't make excuses for them, but the OVERWHELMING number of these high-profile cases, in which an officer was / is charged with murder, was 100% justified to use that force.... FULL STOP!
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For those that are charged with using excessive force, to whatever degree it is... here's an idea... we actually have a legal proceeding, in which we don't have mayors, governors and POTUS condemning that officer as a murderer, prior to even adjudicating the case!
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There's a novel Fing idea! Anyone who thinks that reducing the number of officers, will or does make that area safer in ANY way... is a total Fing MORON!
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@Googlag Inmate #666 ... OMG... Perfect example right now! I left the page and YT had deleted my comment due to a word below
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This still leaves it up to a group or political body to determine WHAT is deemed acceptable speech. Clearly, you and I can come up with 20 or so words that are pretty much considered offensive or should not be said in mixed company.
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Example: We might agree that saying "that girl is a *hore" is considered explicit. OK, what if I say..."That girl is a garden tool"? I just said the same thing, only used better language. That might make it past the "advisory" sticker, but do we want kids to say "garden tool" to describe a girl that is, ummm.... "experienced" ..lol.
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This ALWAYS comes down to who decides what is / is not offensive. So, the breast thing we can do, is put a sticker for the 7 naughty words and expect that parents WILL BE parenting their kids. There is no doubt, kids will be exposed to it by their friends and such, but that has ALWAYS been the nature of adolescence.
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Teach your kids a good moral center, teach them right from wrong, take the time to TRULY explain important topics when they come up and they will be just fine :)
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This comment being deleted is a textbook example of YouTube taking on the role of "protecting its users". However, need only look at the context of what I said and COMPLETELY changes what I was actually saying. I have MASSIVE issues with YT censoring with such a broad brush, but happens to me all the time in discussions like this :)
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@tsdobbi .. You are right, the GOP will not flood the black community with resources... they will just be a HELL of a lot better at getting the hell out of their lives and allow them the opportunities they have. I never said that blacks were gonna jump ship to GOP, but blacks are far more conservative than most realize already. Sadly, it is those who are younger support the Democratic party, who does nothing but pander to how they will "save them" from conservatives, while not saying a damned thing about the rotten culture they embrace that keeps them exactly where they are in society.
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The problem with black neighborhoods is 100% the responsibility of black fathers who don't raise their children and THAT is due in no small part, because Democrats require Welfare mothers NOT have a father in the home. I get the idea of not paying 2 parent homes, but I'd rather see us not pay a GD'd dime to any of them, so they have incentive to clean up their act.
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What we have today, cannot be solved by politicians. We have a catastrophic divide, brought to us by Marxist indoctrination, because parents have absolutely failed their children for the last 3 generations. They were too busy "having it all" with a vacation home for the Winter / Summer months and allowed their children to be raised by nannies, babysitters, daycare and the worst of the worst.... the public school system. EDIT: and the internet!
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There are many things wrong today and 100% of them could be well on the way to being mended, if there were common values that we shared. The Democrats have allowed the Marxist cult to take over their party, so there is JUST as big a divide with the Dem's, but the only difference being, is that the moderates won't say anything, for fear of getting cancelled. The GOP are fairly divided, but we only know it, because they say so!
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@SnakeWasRight ... The problem is that the Constitution takes NO stand on abortion. If you want to see this as fundamental rights... OK, what about the baby and his / her rights? This "clump of cells" WILL become a human being, if left to take the course of nature. 100% of the DNA is present, for this to take place, it need only nourishment. However, this IS an economic thing, as Planned Parenthood is federally funded, so some of those tax dollars DO go to fund abortions. Since we cannot agree on when life begins, pro-choice people use "heartbeat" or some recognizable feature to determine a "baby". Got news for you.... it was ALWAYS a baby, it is just under-developed for a period of time. That "clump of cells" has everything it needs, aside from nourishment from the mother. The mother does not eat a "heart" or "toes" that attach themselves to the fetus, they grow from the DNA that existed from conception.
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Since this nation will NEVER agree on one way or the other, to have a federal law that supports what many believe to be murder, it is best left to the states. There will ALWAYS be states that will approve abortions, so let's have 50 different interpretations of how to address this issue, rather than the feds saying the abortion way or the highway.
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@SnakeWasRight ... RE: no, they will not... : I am as secular as anyone you will ever meet and I think abortion is horrendous. I don't claim they will go to hell for supporting it or have to answer to some higher power, I just think that too many people want absolution of responsibility.
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I am frustrated that abortion is considered a "woman's rights" issue, and the rights of the father and the baby, zygote, clump of cells... whatever one wants to call conception, have to deal with what ever she wants to do. If a female becomes pregnant, she has 100% every right to DEMAND financial support, at the very least, from the father, should she decide to carry to term and until 18, if she decides to raise. However, if she wants to abort and he is willing to support or take over any / all support for baby until the end of time, she can say take BOTH rights away.
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Now, in the end... this last scenario "may" currently be 100% on him, because he probably did not plan for such a contingency. I don't want ANYONE forced to do something they don't want to do, but BOTH people made a deal to be have an experience that created a life and right now....? that life is spoken of as if it should be seen as merely inconvenient.
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@SnakeWasRight ... RE: That's not an anti-abortion stance... : It is true that I believe the number is around 67% feel that abortion should have SOME limitations, but that if that is what all of those screaming think, they are doing an exceedingly poor job of understanding what this draft would mean, should it be finalized in this form.
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This should NEVER have been twisted into being a Constitutional issue, as it clearly is not. The whole idea of having states, is to be a "test tube" for different values about EVERYTHING, not explicitly protected / enforced under the Constitution / Bill of rights. Let the states handle this individually. Some, undoubtedly will ban abortion in conceivably all situations, but I think that is extremely unlikely. When r*** , in** or GENUINE physical health of mother is in serious consideration, the back lash of forcing a carry to term is not going to go over well at all!
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Besides, a mother is ultimately responsible for proper care of this new life and if she is determined NOT to carry to term... she will find a way not to do so.
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@deadzoneternity .. RE For someone that says no on has an argument... : Very well said :) There are two reasons why we will NEVER come to a consensus about this topic:
1. Why would a person be pro-life, if not to "control" women in some way?
2. When does life begin?
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The answer to 1, has a number of reasons, but is NOT the real problem here... it is 2! One of the best arguments I have heard is if we discovered a single-celled growing item on Mars... scientists WOULD call it the discovery of unique "life". In order for pro-choice people to acknowledge conception as "life", they cannot escape a valid charge of murder or intentional homicide, if one prefers such terminology, because that "clump of cells" is a unique life that took an outside force (no pun intended, I swear... lol) to make that life possible.
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This is the blinders that most, use to alleviate the guilt they ABSOLUTELY feel, to justify abortion and, if they are honest with themselves.. feel after an abortion is performed. The act of abortion is EXTREMELY violent and invasive to a woman's "personal space" as any you can name.
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However... those literally screaming for abortion rights, will not likely acknowledge any of this :(
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@jamesmiller5331 ... RE: yeah man I"m totally unwilling... : Doing more than your fair share of projection here, so I will clean it up for you :)
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I did not, nor have I been emotional at any point in this thread, I just happen to think that particular comment was flippant and ridiculous. To suggest, and let's be clear.. you are suggesting this... abortion should be used to reduce the number of "mouth breathers" on the planet. I will 100% grant to you that parents have ABSOLUTELY failed their children, as they have put focus on 10 foot high security wall, over a white picket fence. They have decided that a summer home in the Hampton's and daycare, is preferable to asking their children what they learned in school that day and actually listening to the answer.
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One thing is clear... while Joseph McCarthy was an EVIL PoS, in how he addressed the "communist threat" in the 50's... he was 100% correct about it! More or less children is not the solution to avoid socialism, it is as you suggested, it is an issue of truly parenting their children and making sure they understand not only history, but how and why The Constitution & Bill of Rights were created.
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Maybe you have not read all of my comments, but in one of them, I addressed the issue of my religious motivations..... I have none. I just happen to think that abortion is the taking of a human life, under the guise of a "woman's right to choose".
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@deadzoneternity .... RE: The idea that you or any individual... : Either you have misspoke in your first few words or have not been paying attention to what I have / been saying.... I happen to think it is the former :)
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I understand many of the reasons I hear one say they are pro-choice, I just happen to think the overwhelming number of them are excuses for lack of responsibility OR the false belief that men simply want to control women because patriarchy BS.
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Your middle paragraph is spot on and I am in 100% agreement and have said as much, if not in THIS thread, but one or two others on the same subject of other videos :)
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Little lol on your last paragraph, as it seems you completely misunderstood the meaning of 1 & 2. I was not listing them as in number or importance or even in ORDER of importance, as they could have been in either order. They are simply 2 things that MUST be understood, before a pro-choice person can understand probably 98% of pro-life people's motivations.
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I think that you just read my response(s) too quickly, and I'm not applying malice to you in this regard, then wrote this reply. No harm no foul and as I always say, I appreciate those that make arguments or critique mine in good faith and you have done so :) Peace, TSM!
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PS> I do appreciate your separation of paragraphs. Not only easier to digest changes of topic, but just easier to read in general. I have seen comments that surpass my own in length, but are one single paragraph and often lack proper punctuation so that much harder to understand... lol
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@deadzoneternity ... RE: Initially I read your reply... : Yes, the "you" did strike me funny, so I figured there was something missing from your line... lol :)
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As for the order in which to understand each other, and in the interest of breaking it down a bit further, I do not necessarily think we can even agree that abortion is wrong first thing, as that lies on moral ramifications and will probably halt any progress before any is even made. My personal approach, would be to first ask a pro-choice person to tell me why they think a pro-life person is opposed to abortion. From most, if not all of those screaming in the streets, what I have seen is they skip directly past WHY abortion is opposed and directly to the "woman's rights" to her body or decisions.
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By establishing that control is NOT the motivation, I think this will lower the guard for a more civil dialog. Of course, it STILL is not likely to get that far, as the opposition is so entrenched with a "fight" mentality, that those screamers are not going to stop screaming long enough to get a baseline understanding of even why there is an opposing view.
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Such is the nature of discourse on the abortion debate, but made all the worse by the "holier than thou, morally superior" leftist, who believes the heckler's veto is free speech :(
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PS> In regards to our missing each other's meanings in this thread. I love when a conversation comes together and understanding is found :)
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@deadzoneternity ... RE: The reason I think people... : Ya, it was a bit hard to read. You were rambling a little... lol :) I really like your line of ..."it should be a procedure that isn't allowed, but with exceptions to allow it". This speaks to the camp of "Safe, legal and rare" which is something ONLY the most hardcore pro-life would say is not enough.
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I think that it is foolish for anyone, you and I included, to think that abortion will ever be universally seen as evil, because it is not easy to judge oneself that harshly. I also think that, because the Western World values tilt VERY strongly toward the preservation / saving of human lives, the pro-choice crowd is just not going to be sold on a zygote or "clump of cells" being a human life. Some can be persuaded, as I myself was pro-choice most of my life. This was because I never really gave it the deep consideration it really deserves and saw it as a "woman's right".
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At the end of the day, I would like to see as many laws written for the State level, rather than federal. The Constitution, it's amendments and The Bill of Rights, are the ONLY things that should be concerned with and the rest left to states. This will / would no doubt lead to some states going pretty far off-script, but would greatly reduce these impossibly polarizing issues, because if we hated something so much... we could move. Sure, that is inconvenient, but the alternative is federal over-reach which is EXACTLY what happened with Roe vs. Wade.
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I support ANY legislation, aside from those mentioned just above, that falls out of the hands of fed and into the states!
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Peace, TSM
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@lvincent8843 ... The one song that particularly stands out, when I think of the first few Shakti LPs, is "The Daffodil and The Eagle" from Natural Elements. Your guitar work, does this wonderful dance with L Shankar's violin and is just spectacular :)
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Yes, I am a Tool fan and just a music nut of pretty much all instruments. However, I am most fond of the "vibrating string". Whether it be guitar, piano, bass, cello, harp or banjo, there is just something about the sound such instruments make that impresses me. Of course, my favorite and the most unique of ALL vibrating strings.... vocals. Music is such a blessing and nice to meet someone who appreciates it as I do :)
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@kenyapressley6706 ... So, by your logic, if ever I am to lodge or give voice to a complaint, i must necessarily list 100% of every issue that I have or just the issue?
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Nobody I know, denies this as a MASSIVE problem, and only one of countless enabled by current admin, but does this condition apply only to myself or everyone in this thread? Wait... I guess it would apply to every person not only on this platform, but on planet earth!
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You got it! From this point forward, I will make it my life's mission to list every problem in which you have compiled and write them in each comment I EVER make anywhere and, of course... add to it my own list below and then prioritize THIS issue atop. I will need you to provide me with your said "list of problems" in order of priority and then update me on the daily. Um, better make that hourly or any such time you amend your list of complaints.
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Meanwhile, I will solicit the list of 8B+ people on this earth to do the same... no problem 😸
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PS> Ummmmm, what about those in other galaxies? Jheez... it just got really complicated 😿
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@markzuckergecko621 ... That is good, as I do not have a ton of experience with Destiny. I have found him to be open minded and more than willing to push back hard against the leftist doctrine. I just saw his overwhelming condemnation of Trump's foreign policy and decided to finish this video later. We all know Trumps failings, when it comes to his big mouth and over-active thumbs saying stupid things, but he made some very good moves with multiple Arab nations to agree on some negotiations. He does not demonize even the most horrible of foreign dictators, as that is NOT how one lays the foundation of any negotiations that may go forward. It is fine for Americans to demonize N. Korea govt. , but if POTUS comes out and talks long trash about him or Putin... that is not a good idea.
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It was not Trump who did the treasonous job of Afghanistan withdraw that left allies and American's trapped, citizens climbing onto airplanes, only to fall to their deaths. The billions in military hardware that the Taliban now distributes to terrorists.
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I don't want to play the... "well, ya.. but the other guy is worse" game, but I would bet any amount of money, Trump would not have gotten so deep into bed with Ukraine, but we will never know.
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Sorry about the rant.
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@isotopesreactor3019 ... N. Korea is not going to concede anything of value to any nation in the world, without doing EVERYTHING possible, to humiliate or degrade every nation that would seek concessions from them. Any worthwhile negotiations with N. Korea are gonna take months of meetings and that leader is going to have to appear to Kim Jong-Un, to grovel and humiliate his / her nation into getting concessions from N. Korea. That nation, just like Cuba, has survived just fine without the help of the West, so he is NOT about to give the West ANYTHING without a long fight to prove we have something he wants. Side note, while all of us can agree, living under the rule of N. Korea is not something any of us would wish upon anyone, a nations leader cannot sit at a podium one day, and espouse the evils of a N. Korean dictatorship one day and then seek a sit down meeting with KJU in the following ones. It is easy to point out the horrors committed by him and how he rules N. Korea, so this is why Trump "played the game" and walked across that bridge without escort into N. Korea. KJU respects that kind of thing and it would / will take a HELL of a lot more than that act alone to get anywhere with N. Korea.
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Perhaps you have heard of the Abraham Accords? Ya, I get it... the Arab nations are not going to invite the Jews over for tea, but Trump was able to help make some very serious discussions between Israel and some of these nations and was a great few steps. Now, these would not be like dominoes and see Iran and others suddenly say... "I love you Israel, let's hug". Trump did this while 100% of the Democrats were ACTIVELY undermining his administration at every possible turn. From a general who ACTUALLY contacted China, in order to behind the scenes tell them that Trump was simply making a threat to appease the American people and he is not going to attack. If America does plan a military move, I will let you know. Ya, our own American Chief of staff committed TREASON against his own country, JUST to harm Trump. Go ahead and fight him at every turn. Call him to the mat for every action he wants to take, but FFS, don't LITERALLY sell out your own nation, in order to harm Trump!
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Obama had a drone strike and there were Americans killed there as well. One of those times when it really SUCKS to be a POTUS. In 100% of every circumstance in which military actions are taken, the POTUS is not spending weeks in the War Room planning strategy and accounting for every move that leads up to to a call for an action. No... POTUS has and will ALWAYS rely on the various leaders of the military and intelligence to provide the information necessary to make the call and POTUS must decide. I am not excusing Trump, nor am I calling out Obama (I could go on for multiple paragraphs on what he COULD have done, as the 1st black POTUS, but utterly FAILED). What I am saying is that POTUS is certainly responsible for making that call, but there are an INFINITE number of things that can be misinterpreted, wrong or simply change, between the time an order call that drone strike and the time it ACTUALLY strikes it's target. No excuses for Trump or Obama, but every POTUS ever to occupy the Oval is subject to the information given. Since we have multiple examples of Trumps OWN admin turning on him, in order to punish him, is it really surprising that things he was called to do were not proposed in good faith? Trump must own strike, just like Obama must own his!
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Leaving allies! Just like 100% of every POTUS ever, he relies on aids and can get things wrong, because guess what... we are human. Though we can also add exactly how many wars did Trump start and how many from the previous, say 4 POTUS'? Some of this is simply luck of the times, but it is also garnering respect by foreign leaders and not being a weak one who leaders can walk all over.... in steps Biden. While the evacuation plan to leave Iraq was formed by the Trump admin, the execution of it was ALL on Biden and his admin. No question, America needs to VASTLY reduce its presence in foreign nations, as this is an ever increasing risk / problem on multiple levels. Biden simply put America and it's allies tail between its legs and ran away. We left several billion $$$ worth of military vehicles, weapons and such behind, which the Taliban is now using to supply itself as well as VERY likely Hamas and others to do what they do. Remember the civilians LITERALLY falling from the sky as they were hanging on to a plane that was leaving the airport? That evacuation was literally treason against America and its allies and is absolutely IGNORED by mainstream leftist media. What Biden authorized was the most most poorly executed exit plan ever performed.... and Biden must own that. We needed to get the hell out of there, but a few hundred soldiers in strategic places could have been an IMMENSE help in assuring we got ALL of our allies and equipment out, evacuated the civilians and allies... THEN we have the military personnel taken out. As it stood, we had absolute CHAOS and a terrorist opted to take the opportunity to blow up a bunch of people while crowded at the airport.
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I am not a Trump apologist, but I see things for what they are and I have the EXACT same bias as 100% of everyone who happens to make it to this part of my comment. No doubt, we could all go back and forth about the above and add / take away certain things to improve / worsen those events. My problem with those who I consider having TDS, is the hyperbole. The idea that Trump is simply explained away by accusing him of being the most evil man ever and that he is LITERALLY worse than Hitler, which I have heard once respected people, like Sam Harris, for example, is called hyperbole... and it serves nobody.
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I support Trump today, because the state is so INSANELY corrupt and F'd up to such an extreme... desperate times require desperate action. Trump is light-years from the perfect man and as unconventional a POTUS as has been in my lifetime and maybe ever. He has many faults, but the overwhelming vast majority of them, as claimed by the left leaning of our world are simply false. We can look at "Russia, Russia, Russia" and know that it was Hilary Clinton behind the Steel Dossier with the corrupt as F-BI paying informants to lie, in order to spy on American citizens... THIS IS FACT! and is treasonous. I could name multiple Constitutional violations by Biden, but this is not about him... this is about Trump.
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I am sure I missed some stuff that I will think of 5 seconds after I hit "post", but that is enough for now. As per ALL of my comments, I invite a good faith discussion with any / all who agree or disagree. I am not perfect, though I am a kitten, so I have studied hoomans to the best of my ability, but if wrong about something... I will own it and ask others to do the same
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Now.... you begged and I delivered. I expect a good faith reply, as my PC is now out of ink 😿
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@221Prohunter …. BRILLIANT observation 👍
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Here is a thought experiment for those that are not just arguing for the legal issues, but who my have a moral issue that he was in the wrong for attacking.
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Safe to say, that if he HAD complied and allowed them to steal, it is reasonable they would likely gone for the register. If he is not resisting, safe to say the will get more bold. So, they now steal several hundred from register and a bunch of electronics from behind the counter, because he is not resisting.
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They get away and then what.....? They almost GUARANTEED will steal again, because..."that was easy" right? Next time, they get MORE bold and realize that if they intimidate the clerk, they can get that power rush and limit the likelyhood THEY will fight back... so they steal more this time.
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NOW...what are the odds there will be ZERO victims of these two in the future? I would say a virtual guarantee! This was SO traumatic, they will not be criminals going forward, because they have learned their lessons at young teen years. They will NEVER become professional criminals, because THIS was all they could possibly handle.
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We will never know, but this guy might have saved someone else's life... and could have been one of OUR family members!
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@Schlabbeflicker …. My position has nothing to do with whether or not this mans actions were legally justifiable.
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My contention is that by virtue of both of thes guys having hopped over the counter and literally cornering him with no reasonable way to escape, he at that point, became a “prisoner”.
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Had he made a move either way to escape, it is not reasonable to expect no physical confrontation to occur, therefore it is reasonable, that the other guy would have given assistance to the one being confronted. In such a case, his back would be to this person and be EXCEEDINGLY vulnerable to being hit in the head or otherwise seriously injured as a result.
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Wa can speculate all day long about what “might”have occurred, but the fact remains, there was a threat to his person, by the mere fact these two were committing a crime and he was trapped inbetween.
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We were not there. We do not have HIS frame of mind and the moments he was limited to decide what action to take. We CANNOT say, they were “just going to steal a couple hundred dollars worth of product”. Had this guy complied and just sat there, it is EXCEPTIONALLY likely they would have been emboldened and gone for the register.
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At that point, they would HAVE to deal with him, because he was trapped at the register. There is NO way to reasonably expect that with all the adrenylin (sp) and testosterone flowing in that little area, it is impossible NOT to get into a brawl right there.
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This guy saw that he was trapped and his best chance to avoid serious injury…..? catch one of them by surprise! If he just threw a punch and had not immediately incapacitated him, then he would fight back and within 2 seconds, the SECOND guy would come in from behind and he would be guaranteed to be cracked in the head with whatever he could find behind the counter.
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He may be in serious legal trouble here, but I will ALWAYS support his actions!
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@Goulash45 …. Had ALLelse been the same and there were only a SINGLE guy…. you and I would be in agreement.
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However… there was TWO guys and that changes the equation. Had he stabbed a lone person, I would be in full agreement that it would be WAY over the top. In such a case, it would have been reasonable to punch or tackle the SINGLE guy and a knife would have been 100% unjustified.
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The problem is the second guy. If he just sits there, why not go for the register? Why not just keep getting more bold... what is to stop them, when he is cowering in the corner? These are two guys in ski masks brazenly stealing from this guy and that IS threatening behavior. It is a threat to his pride, it is a threat to his job responsibility and indeed a physical threat when they are on each side of his position committing robbery!
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Tell me, Jon…. what would YOU have done? I already know, you would sitand there like a beta and let the steal from your store. Now…. what if you stood there complying and then they decided to go for the register? Why shouldn ‘t they be expected to do that? You aren’t resisting…. you pose no threat, so they are now emboldened and you are inbetween them and the cash?
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As soon as those two make a move for you, there is very slim chance to avoid serious injury. One from the front and the other coming at you from the back. This was not one on one in an open parking lot, this was TWO on one, with your back GUARANTEED to be toward one of them! You try to jump the counter, they grab your arm or leg and trip you up and fall on your face on the other side. They jump over, while you are trying to get up and kick you in the head! Your moment of shock and awe is long gone and now you are getting your head kicked in by two adrenalin charged robbers!
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What do YOU do, when you waited for them to get bored and leave…. but decide to score some cash?
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@Ranid …. Absolutely. Now that I am aware the second guy was no longer behind the counter, the knife was clearly excessive. By that point, had they weapons, it makes no sense they wouldn’t equip them, so a body slam was the order of the day.
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That guy now on the customer floor had by that time shown he was unwilling to fight, so he made like the Road Runner, at the moment clerk made a move to the other. The guy was just standing ther, seemingly too over his head and no clue what to do.
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I see little doubt, this clerk will be facing charges for excessive force. It was pretty dumb to think such force was necessary at that point, but seems he did not want to take any chances and wanted to take him out. That guy is likely to get a serious payday, even though he is a PoS and deserves little better than he got.
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Had the clerk made that move when the other guy was still behind the counter, he would have a stronger case for acquittal. Still not likely he would get one, based on societies pension for rewarding criminals, but the other guy no longer in a good position to fight the clerk, makes him pretty freaking screwed for using a knife.
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@maddoggibson1 ….. If you have not read my last handful of comments on this thread, I ask that you do, because I had a HUGE part of this story wrong.
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I had initially thought BOTH guys were behind the counter at the same time and therefore saw him as surrounded and was 100% on board with clerks actions. Was only very late in this thread, I realized this was not the case and reversed my take completely.
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With more reflection still, I am at least on the fence. One second the guy on his right leaned over and stole something and was at that point, the OTHER guy jumpred counter. In the fraction of a second, he was being “violated”, as his store was under direct assault, for lack of maybe a better word and on EACH side of his position.
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.it was at that instant, he lunged for the guy and stabbed him. I will not argue that being stabbed was in any way not horrible, but this guy has a lot to think about in a very short period of time and we are sitting back several weeks later saying what WE would have done. We dont have is adrenalyn, his sense of 2 on 1 or feeling that at any second, the other guy may bet ballzy.
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We see all of this from a detached perspective and had he ONLY punched or pushed, maybe the second guy or someone watching door outside gets involved. Had he not incapacitated that guy, could have been 2 on 1 and he is in big trouble..
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Is it fair he used a knife when we know now the robber did not have a weapon…? No. However, it was THEY who chose to violate this guy and his store. The F with playing fair, when they were counting on the 2 on 1 advantage to distract clerk.
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We can see the guy run out of the store the moment clerk goes on attack, but the clerk is NOT processing this at all. He immediately went after the other guy and took him out of the equation. Was it harsh…? Yes, but we are seeing ALL of this from a MASSIVELY different perspective and am about 75% in the clerks corner on this.
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As for crime in general, this is a societal thing. Whether gun or knife, the person who is committing the crime WILL create a reaction by his action and people are not predictable. That guy did not count on nearly dying, just as the clerk did not wake up thinking. “I think I will use a knife and stab a robber in the neck at work today". I just don't think it is "reasonable" for everyone to expect the clerk to be "reasonable" when dealing with unreasonable people who went in to his store with the explicit intent of stealing his property and while being distracted by the two of them.
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These guys instigated this ENTIRE thing and I am not saying YOU say the following, but I am just not willing to completely condemn this clerk, because he had literally 2 seconds to act and when adrenalyn, fear and anger boil over, one is not really in a conscious state of mind any longer, one is reacting to eliminate a threat completely, not make legal or "reasoned" considerations as to what may happen, because he does not have the benefit of what WE know now.
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Had he stood back or just complied, odds are they would have been emboldened and gone for the register. Maybe not, but he could not possibly know the future and I have very little issue with him making sure he did not play beta male and just hope for the best.
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@ryans1623 On part one of your question…. context is everything.
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What if this person is inside your home with your wfe and kids present? In the BLINK of an eye, that person could change up tactics and suddenly has a knife at one of their necks, or one person makes a move that distracts and the other uses that distraction to smash you or one of your family over the head?
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This can ALL go horrendously sideways in that much time, so we cannot simply Monday Morning quarterback this stuff. The INSTANT one guy reaches over to steal something from 3 feet away, the second guy immediatelly hops the counter and is in his private space. One moment they have his full attention, so he grabs a knife, then……. BAM, suddenly they have intentionally or otherwise used a 2 on 1 ploy to take advantage of their physical position AND that his attention is now separated by a 90 degree head swivel to determine their next moves.
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This is UNQUESTIONABLY a threat! We can argue the degree of that threat, but we not only have the 100% safety, calm, cool and collected view from a stationary camera behind all this, but with FULL knowledge of everything that has YET to happen and several weeks later. In the LITERAL span of 1 second, those two dramatically escalated their tactics to manipulate his attention and steal from behind his counter. This is a threat to his person and YES his property. property they were willing to press his ability to address, based on two guys and situated on each side of his position.
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This IS a threat on several levels and the clerk is not prossessing all of these actions in reall time, as he is dealing with adrenalyn, fear and a sudden coordinated “assault” on his personal space and yes…. his property. I make no distinction as to the value of property they are taking, because this is indescriminate stealing on their part and they have every incentive to take as much as they can get away with.
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In that instant, he is not PROCESSING this guy dashing for the door. He “sees” it, but is simultaneous to the second guy jumping the counter, in a clear escallation of their 2 on 1 advantage. While we all like to consider the knife as major over reaction, his eyes are immediatelly on the guy who hopped the counter and we are able to see and process the other making a dash for the door.
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Sure, we can EASILY say he was no longer a threat of any kind, but the clerk cannot see and digest that in the living moment of all this. We can see the guy just standing there, but in that flash, he simply sees a guy who is now on his side of the counter and his fight or flight instinct has instataneously maxed out and he makes his move.
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We will see where the law takes all of this, but there is NOTHING that can go back in time, put ourselves in the clerks head and expect us to act with perfect degree of force or subdue the guy with perfect precision a take down move. We have the benefit of TONS of criteria that was still unfolding at the time, so this could have all gone horribly sideways, from his perspective. We MUST consider his use of force was deemed reasonable, based on what he knew, when he knew it and the nature of 2 on 1 guys in ski masks who have exactly ZERO concern for his right to property OR any fear or distress any of that may cause.
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.They are there to steal and 100% reasonable to think they will continue to escallate their advantage as long as it suits their position.
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@ekscalybur ... See, that IS changing, though I agree that they do not see it! When criminals exhaust the area in which they live, combined with not being prosecuted effectively, they move INTO those other areas. As you already know, crime WILL spread, when it is not addressed. Those wealthy white women may be safe today, but the crime WILL catch up to them. Seems it is taking long enough for them to continue to vote these PoS into office and again for another term, but we all know that this is coming for them. Sean did a video a few months back, where the once very nice areas of NY, are getting more and more crime, along with homeless sleeping and doing their business on their porches. It is not a big enough problem currently to become big news, but also the mainstream media does not cover it any more than they absolutely HAVE to.
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No doubt the same cycle that NY fell to some 40 years ago... WILL repeat. The city will become as bad as it was in the mid 70's, I think it was, and the citizens will finally be prompted to bring in another Guiliani to clean it all up. That person will be tough as hell on crime, the leftists and Democrats will bitch for a year, but will eventually STFU, when they are once again able to take a walk alone and not fear being assaulted.
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They say, those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it... and boy is that true!
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@johnulmer6715 ... Unfortunately, those who live within their ideological bubble and continue to vote for these leftist lunatics, drag those who are sane and SEE the issues down with them. I live in Comifornia and can see a mega SHEET TON of issues that are forever made worse by "compassionate" Democrats who think that if we just lazy or evil people resources, they will STOP being those things. Life does not work that way and while I don't want anything to do with such legislation, I am outnumbered and continues to spiral downhill. I could move, but based on multiple factors, that is not practical for me, but MANY are fleeing this place. In the end, the leftist cult WILL spread their disease just about everywhere, because they have convinced themselves they hold the moral high-ground. They destroy the areas they live in and when it gets to bad, they move out of state and then vote for the EXACT SAME policies all over again. I don't know how to stop stupid people from doing stupid things that F us all over!
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@johnulmer6715 ... And what would you have me do? I don't disagree that the cult MUST be stopped, but what needs to be done, will take a MASSIVE uprising of those willing to sacrifice everything.
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Early in 2020, I received a jury duty notification. I contacted the clerk and told her that I was unwilling to wear a Covid mask, may I reschedule. She gave me an extension, which ended up being 6 mo. I reached out to her again, after that time and reiterated my position. She said you will HAVE to wear a mask, because you will not get another extension. I told her in no uncertain terms, that I would NEVER wear a Covid mask and was non-negotiable and a hill I was willing to die on.
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After 5 or 6 emails back and forth of her continuing to apply legal pressure to force compliance with mask mandates, she forwarded all of my communications to a judge. In them, I told her that I would show up at the courthouse for jury duty, should I be required to, but when if those at the door demanded I wear a mask, I would again refuse. In those emails, I said that the cops would have to come to my home, kick down my door and take me by force, for a contempt of court violation, which would be the case, should I NOT appear in the room for jury duty. I said that If I go to jail, I will NOT wear a mask and this remains 100% non-negotiable.
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The judge released me, because he / she was not willing to challenge my position and risk the mess I would absolutely make over the BS mask mandates.
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Before you tell me I am unwilling to do what it takes to fight back, I would ask that you know more about me, prior to doing so.
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@johnulmer6715 ... I don't disagree, but I don't see you armed and storming the White House, do I? We also must recognize that The Forefathers WERE and organized group and the entire continent had a total of less than 300K people. There were no states, only colonies and there was no organized military. There were militia that was comprised of other citizens, so need only get their cooperation and it was the "government" who was organizing it all. It is not soo simple as to rise up today, as it takes a MONUMENTAL amount of citizens to rise in unison. I grant to you that far, far, FAR too many are unwilling to do so, but it is not so simple as that.
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We have learned that there is a MASSIVE number of sheep in this America and the Western World. They thought that "2 weeks to flatten the curve" was reasonable, and it actually was. What they did NOT realize, nor did anyone else, that there was a MUCH larger plan at work and took another 6 mo. for that to only BEGIN to become clear. I do think that there is a HUGE number of people who have reached near wits end, but the organization necessary to "reverse" what is happening, to use language that won't trigger my comment to be removed, is infinitely more difficult now than it was when England would have to send SHIPS to sail for America to put down the rebellion. They need only stop them from coming ashore to win that fight.
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It is a very different country today and while I freely admit we do not have the balls to do what must be done, apparently... neither do you 🐱
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@johnulmer6715 .. Why is it you are making an enemy of me? You are exactly ZERO more "revolutionary" than I am at this moment, yet you pass judgement as if I am holding you back. I am not making excuses, I am providing reasons why it is infinitely more difficult today, than when 13 colonies. The rebellion STILL must be done, but we now have 330M+ people, multiple extremely well armed state military and 50 individual states with their OWN forces with which to contend. Yes, this STILL has to happen, but are you out there organizing militia groups in your area? Are there 1K others doing the exact same thing in THEIR area?
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You and I agree, we are not only going to hell, but well past the point when anything short of 1860's action will stop it. This means that the entire country MUST be willing to give up 100% of everything they have ever come to know, love and possess may be lost forever and lose family / friends to boot. This is a tall ask and though it WILL be necessary at some point, we simply do not have the numbers of people willing to make THAT sacrifice.
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The day will come and should that day happen in my lifetime, I am 58, I will HAPPILY stand beside you and do what must be done. You can talk a big game all day if you like, but at the end of it, you are JUST talking about it...just like me 🐱
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@johnulmer6715 .. Peace to you, John. I too will protect me and my own, right here in Comifornia. While, you are less likely to have as many foes in your neck of the states than I, regardless... I will die defending the principles in which this nation was founded [National Anthem begins playing in the background] 🐱
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On the "peaceful divorce" thing. I have had MANY conversations about this and sadly... it is simply not possible. I could give you a long list as to why, but the simple reason is that the leftist cult will NEVER accept you or I to live peacefully. Since resources are scattered across the land, there would HAVE to be a certain amount of negotiation and the leftist will NEVER, EVER, EVER in a million years, negotiate in good faith! They believe themselves to be morally correct, so this is why they have no boundaries to preclude them from any action against us. It does not bother them to loot, steal, kill or cause ANY level of harm to those who are not members of the cult, because you and are are Hitler and "Ultra-Super-MAGA". The cult would demand ALL of the areas with any resources and they would not share them with us, because we are Hitler.
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A peaceful divorce sounds like the only non-fully destructive way to resolve this, but once the cult had its OWN part of the country... they WILL come for ours , because WE occupy it!
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@PirateNinjaMegaRobot ... OK, you aren't LISTENING to me here. Let me clarify AGAIN! I am NOT anti-cop NOR am I anti-No Knock warrant. What I am saying is that these type of entries create a very SPECIFIC danger to us all and here is why. The idea of No Knock is to give the police a supreme advantage, as they catch someone by surprise and, hopefully, unable to resist as they otherwise would. While this is FANTASTIC, if this happens to be the murderer, multiple time felon who's home you have entered..
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However, if this is NOT the correct home or happens to be some mistake and this is the home of someone who is NOT a bad guy, but has a weapon, because law abiding 2a and all that. You are asleep or otherwise laxed on the couch...whatever. ALL you hear is a bunch of people yelling what cannot be easily distinguished as "Police.. this is a warrant", because it is a whole bunch of them yelling this. As mentioned my comment above.... line up THIS video at the point when the cops are turning the key. Close your eyes, turn up the sound VERY loud and imagine you are sleeping or chilling in your room. What do you hear..? You hear what could VERY easily be a bunch of gang bangers rushing into your home, because you are taken 100% by surprise. You are not likely going to isolate ONE voice saying "Police... this is a warrant". No, you are going to be disoriented for at LEAST a few seconds, they bust through the bedroom door and you ALREADY have your weapon, because you are fire arm proficient and in your own home.
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All you see is a bunch of guys dressed in black pointing guns at you and, because you already had YOUR gun, but not fully aware of what is happening yet, you have it pointed at the door they are entering. Now, you have done NOTHING wrong, but the cops have to assume you are a bad guy, understandably... and you are dead!
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I think what would be MUCH better, is to designate ONLY a single person to yell "Police... this is a warrant" several times, with a couple seconds between each mention. Since they are announcing at that point anyway, at least those who are NOT criminals, have a moment to comprehend what is happening. I get that the surprise is what gives cops added safety, but it also creates a much higher degree of risk for average Joe who did NOTHING wrong, but is now dead.
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Please tell me if this does not make sense :)
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@PirateNinjaMegaRobot ... No..... you are assuming this person, or ANY person would have a full grasp of what was happening in the midst of a iteral 9 seconds of chaos. If this was a murderer or a multi-felon with a weapon... I have ZERO... let me say that again.... [size 86 font... ZERO] issue with removing him from this earth. Yes, the first guy DID yell solo, but after about 1 second, all you hear is a bunch of guys rushing in and screaming. If you are asleep or completely relaxed and you hear that first "Police... this is a warrant", you are INSTANTLY overwhelmed by a bunch of guys yelling and 98% of all people are going to be so jarred by the suddeness of it all, won't be able to digest that INITIAL "Police... this is a warrant", before you are facing multiple black clad men swarming you from all sides. If you are NOT the bad guy and you have an actual conscious care for your fellow humans, as the thugs and murderers obviously don't... you are going to be dead before you EVER figure out what the hell is going on.
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While the overwhelming is great from the cops perspective and I cannot blame them in the least for wanting such an advantage, when a mistake is made, bad intel or otherwise a person who was NOT the target of the warrant, this is what happens. This guy was legal 2a, and while a bit odd he awakes puling a gun, It is exceedingly unlikely that THIS particur man understood what the hell was happening, before he was shot dead.
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Based on what we understand at this moment, and that may change in time, why would he not just comply with police orders? He was not on the warrant and, since legally possessing a weapon, he had NOTHING to fear... right? If it was soo obvious that these were a bunch of cops, it would be guaranteed suicide to pop out from under the blanket packing a gun.
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This is a GUARANTEED way to be shot, so are you suggesting that he KNEW it was police, but as an upstanding legal gun owner, decided he wanted to have a shoot out in the living room? It is beyond obvious, that he had NO IDEA these were cops, because he was not a criminal and had no reason to resist. No, he was supremely startled and his instincts were to exit the blanket with a fire arm to protect himself.
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Tell me.. why pull a gun, when it was so obviously cops looking for someone else?
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@PirateNinjaMegaRobot ... Some things we know to be true:
1. The man shot, was in possession of a legal fire arm. Ergo he was not a convicted felon and for all we know, he had not committed any crimes
2. He was alone in this apartment and door was locked, so not expecting any visitors
I will do my best to steel man your argument, as I understand it :) The police enter the door quietly with a key, so as to remain stealth. One officer immediately yells "Police... this is a warrant" (may not be verbatim) and within 1 second, multiple other officers yell the same thing. Very clearly, this is intended to startle any occupants and the idea is that they will caught off-guard and be less likely to reach for a gun or mount some kind of resistance. I get this, and I fully understand how this will make it safer for police, as entering a home in this way is about as risky as it gets for police. Now, the ONLY way I can interpret your position at this point, because it appears that you believe that the INITIAL officer announcing "Police.... this is a warrant" is sufficient for anyone within earshot to not only understand exactly what is happening, but NOT reach for a weapon, if you happen to not be a bad guy. Again.... I am NOT trying to straw man you, but this is how I understand you position to be.
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Based on what I have written directly above, and subject to error, this is the only conclusion I can surmise. This guy not only knew it was cops, but understood it was a legal warranted raid upon the apt. he was within, his go-to move was pop out from under the covers, weapon first, and do what....? No reasonable person, particularly one who is 2a and legally carrying, is going to think that police are going to stand down or otherwise NOT react in such a way to protect themselves from being shot, which is the ONLY reasonable consideration the police would have at this point.
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My conclusion, based on the above: This guy was asleep or at least relaxed enough to have no idea, that cops were going to enter into his space and begin yelling. When the first "Police... this is a warrant" is yelled, he is obviously not expecting such an outburst, so it takes the average mind a moment to digest the sound, process it and realize... "Oh, this is police and I have not done anything wrong, so I will just put my hands at "twelve and two", so to speak, and calmly comply with the officers. No, in such a state of sleep or rest, that FIRST "Police... this is a warrant" is yelled and just wakes you up.
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How many times in your life has the dog or cat knocked over something loud in the house and wakes you up in the middle of the night? You are suddenly wide awake, as you heard the crash of broken glass on the kitchen floor. Now, how long does it take you to put the sound together with one of your pets making a mess in the kitchen... lol. It takes you probably 3 maybe 4 seconds, until you yell... "Dammit, Fido... get out out of the garbage can!" (remember... this is REAL time 3 or 4 seconds). Now, fast forward to THIS moment, the initial "Police..." wakes you up, within 1 second, you are awake, but certainly not fully alert yet, you hear multiple others just yelling loudly. I would safely bet that 99% of all humans who are not living with the idea cops are going to enter their home, would be unable to process all this within the following 3 more seconds! It would be VERY reasonable to assume you were having your home invaded and you are likely to be in extreme danger immediately. You were JUST sound asleep and within 3 seconds, you think you may die!
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If this guy was able to understand ALL of this, in the time allotted, why emerge with a gun when he KNEW there were multiple officers pointing guns directly at him?
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I am doing my best to steel-man, so keep this in mind :)
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@frankvonfrauner ... The ideology will never die, this is true... but the number of people who live by it will. This ideology cannot be sustained, because it pits people against each other into tribes and tribes "remove" those who oppose them. Eventually, and I make no claim this to be a short period of time, there will come a point when either people give up on it OR.... society gets tired of endless tribal warfare and are replaced with values that enable peace.
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I have for years thought that a truly CATASTROPHIC event, another 9/11 for example, just "might" shake us from the cult, but I honestly do not think so any longer. The Marxist cult, though relatively VERY few in actual population numbers, are so INSANELY devoted and incapable of critical thinking and self-reflection, they cannot "fall back" to a pre-brainwashed state, as their isn't one. They were indoctrinated the way they are and some of them absolutely cannot possibly be saved from themselves.
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@frtard ... You are correct. What I was thinking about, was more of what CNN, MSNBC, NYT's, LA Times... etc, use to go out of their way to avoid saying the race of a suspect. That is to say, when a crime has been committed and was a pale skin (white person or distinguishing enough to use in verbal description), so as to "be on the lookout for" alert is used.
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However, when the suspect is described as black or very dark skinned, this descriptor is left OUT of the reporting by nearly all of them. In an effort to protect, they go out of their way to avoid when suspect is black. This is just as we have seen them protect when one is "trans", by simply not talking about a detail that is often VERY clearly known, but does not fit the narrative the media wants to support.
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As it turns out in this case, this was likely more for the reason you describe or if that person is a minor. In my haste, I allowed my bias to come through. I try not to do this, but alas... as often as I am critical of others for it, I sometimes do so myself.
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@UtubeH8tr .... See, that is the thing. Among the MANY evils of the WOKE and trans activist cults, there is no redemption. While there are indeed times when a person has perpetuated such evil, that redemption is simply not possible, IMO. These are serial murderers, John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy and the like.
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When it comes to propagandists and just people on the interwebz hosting podcasts, there should nearly always be a path back, or we are no better than the enemy we fight.
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I would not call Ethan evil, though he has been quite malicious, from what I have seen (JBP is the example that comes off top of head), but we, the sane, should welcome those who have seen the darkness they partook and denounce it.
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@TheJustice35 ... RE: You're fundamentally flawed.... : I too appreciate your good faith as well :)
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No, my argument is not that you MUST abide by my principles, it is that we need to not be forced to live by EITHER yours or mine. This is why a federally enforced legalization of what many believe to be murder or homicide, is so divisive. By shifting the burden to the states, it allows the best compromise possible, because there is literally ZERO hope of consensus on this issue.
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As it stands currently, the feds are forcing those that see conception as the beginning of human life, and I fall into this camp, to allow only ONE of the two people involved in creation of that life, to have SOLE discretion on how to handle it. The idea that the female is IMMENSELY more impacted than the male, is not lost on me, but it took two to tango, and currently he has ZERO to say about this.
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To bring this full circle, and I am still awaiting an answer from another on THESE specific questions, but I will throw them to you:
SCENARIO 1: Woman gets pregnant and decides to carry to term. Does the father have a LEGAL obligation to support that child... YES, he absolutely does.. PERIOD!
SCENARIO 2: Same circumstances, but she wants to abort. He offers to cover 100% of ALL financial expenses and she is allowed to sign a release of any / all obligations for the end of time, as he will care for the child forever. She was a willing participant and KNEW the risks and became pregnant. The law as currently written still gives her 100% control over a mutually agreed upon risk, if you want to call it that. She could NOT have become pregnant, were it not for the voluntary act of her being with him, yet, she is the sole decision maker to the fate of that being they created.
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Again... I am NOT dismissing the role she needs to play, but what of being responsible for actions? He must support if she keeps by her decision and he must stand by if she opts to flush it. There are many ways to greatly reduce the chance of pregnancy, but short of surgical intervention... NONE are guaranteed.
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By kicking this back to the states, we don't by federal point of a gun FORCE one way or the other. In THIS respect... I am pro-choice :)
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@cyclonebuzz8172 ... No, I appreciate it 🐱I have seen the battle flag a million times and you are the first person to correct the error I have heard 100% of the time... lol. Not only is this not the Rebel flag, that flag has wrongly become the symbol of racism for well over a century. Just shows how powerful the wrong ideas can become when the conversation to correct them is verboten. One cannot stand in a room of mixed company and hash out the ideas of where the Confederates were standing up for certain principles, because most will think the ONLY issue at hand was the desire to have slaves. Obviously, this was a huge component, but they were ultimately concerned with states rights. They were not wanting the abolition of slavery, so ultimately they Confederates fate was sealed.
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I remember the Dukes of Hazard as a fun show and most tuned in to see Daisy's "Duke" shorts. Cannot mention the show today without someone spouting that it is a racist show, with racist cast, crew, producers and the tapes should be destroyed. We are losing our 1a and without it... we are doomed!
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Peace, CB 🐈⬛
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@susansmith493 ... what in the hell are you talking about? For these girls and women, this has NOTHING to do with politics, except those that support trans in female sports are politically motivated. The girls and women being screwed over are not politically motivated, they are simply trying to live their lives, play in their respective sports and not see male genitalia when in the ladies locker room. They have any number of political affiliations, but regardless of which box they check on the ballot, their spaces are being invaded by males.
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If you don't want to get into this fight... fine, that is your choice. However, just realize that one way or another at some time in the future, repercussions of this WILL come to bare on your life. If you believe that those who are driven by this cult of ideology will just pass you by and not bother you, then you are sadly mistaken! They WILL come for you one day regardless, because they don't care about the politics you do or don't care about... they will FORCE theirs on you!
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@rollotomasislawyer3405 ... Yes. I failed to mention Philadelphia 😿What will happen is that these cities, include Portland, Seattle and ALL over the country in deep blue cities / states, the feds will eventually be forced to send in the National Guard. They will impose Marshal Law, set a hard curfew of like 8:00 at night, erect a TON of buildings to house those convicted of crimes and corall the homeless, drug addicts and thugs. This will be probably a full year, for most of them, some will take longer, but people will ACTUALLY begin to thrive again.
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I give it less than 3 years, before it begins to fall sharply back into its old ways, because the same moroons will vote deep blue ALL OVER AGAIN. The only way they can be saved, is in that future generations will remold society, but that will take at least a couple to begin to turn it around.
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@alleosussquirt8041 ... Take a look at what the MarxistCrats have done with the alphabet agencies! You have seen what they have done over Jan. 6th, yet was far LESS violent than Jan. 20th, 2017. You have seen what happened to Trump when he may or may not have had unclassified documents and what happened to Biden who did and was VP at the time. How about Hillary who destroyed federal (taxpayer) property DURING an investigation of classified info she was NEVER authorized to have....? NOTHING! We saw Biden violate The Constitution 2x's over eviction moratoriums, openly disrespect SCOTUS rulings, allow protesters to intimidate those judges in front of their homes!
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The rules don't mean a GD'd thing to the cult! Pensions are already a MASSIVE financial issue to states and somewhere buried in the ToS for police pensions, is some random sentence that can be twisted into a knot and brought before a MarxistCult judge and revoke that guys pension. Even if it were ultimately found to be BS by SCOTUS, and this is no guarantee, this guy would be screwed for many years, $100K in legal fees and harassment from all sides, at the drop of a hat, from the WOKE cult.
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@joriankell1983 ... It ultimately comes down to environment. Those that do such things as this, "know" better... but simply don't care. I am not a religious person, in even the slightest way, but when a society is raised upon the belief that there is NO "higher power" or over-arching moral code in which to live one's life... that person is left to his / her own conscious. When that conscious does not see inherent value in others or their property, this is the result. Sean had a video earlier today, in which the 3 armed guards were at the gas station and these kids not only stole items, but just needlessly destroyed property. They went out of their way to slash tires, break windows and tear down displays. They have NO moral code that is recognized by general society, so they have no internalized "red flag" that stops them from acting on such impulse.
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Of course, this is compounded by Democrat policies that are ever making excuses for those that commit such crimes, because they apply a "victim's hierarchy". Should this person fall under the umbrella of a "victim", the leftist response is ...."oh, that Jimmy is only lashing out, because of systemic racism. If we punish him, it will only make the systemic trauma worse". Here we are.... watching BLM and Antifa terrorists rampage across the country killing, destroying and violating everything in sight and when they attack someone who defends himself, Kyle Rittenhouse is prime example, but there are MANY others.... they get exactly what they deserve. However, the leftist must now turn ALL of the consideration of accountability and especially punishment, to any and all who do not fall under that victims hierarchy.
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What makes this even crazier, is that if the gas station owner, DOES fall under that victims hierarchy, but does have a code recognized by society, but since he is holding little Jimmy accountable.... HE is now the one who should be punished. I am 58 and never in all of my days have I seen ANYTHING like we are seeing, in terms of excuses for not only bad, but ABHORRENT behavior. Those who do what we see here, need to learn a VERY, VERY harsh lesson in life, but society has apparently not suffered sufficiently enough to make that happen.
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I highly doubt we will make it out of this decade without complete collapse and total breakdown of society that requires a brand new start. That is PRECISELY what the WEF wants to see!
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@donnar9864 😢 I have NO idea what will happen to all of them when this all comes crashing down. Whether there is anything left to save or not, there will be MANY who will simply not be able to adjust. This is why indoctrination is so incredibly damaging. I one was brainwashed, let's say... he / she STILL has the right thinking within the mind, but just can't access it. Those who are in a cult, from day one, do not have that correct information, so their entire world view (literally) will be blown apart and how does one UN-learn a lifetime of deceit and lies?
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This but one more in a LONG list of reasons, that even "peaceful divorce" is just not tenable. Aside from bad faith negotiations, when their "side" completely collapses, they will wage holy hell against us, to get the resources they squandered. I have zero idea how this will end, but one thing is for 100% positive... it is gonna be DAMNED UGLY.
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@DeffoZappo ... Sadly, pretty much all we have ever come to know is now become political and due to leftist ideology.... drawn along tribal lines. What we see to day is almost ALL been turned on its head. I remember that Tipper Gore, while atypical for a Democrat, spoke out against lyrics in rap music and the GOP was all over it with her. However, the vast majority of liberals in this country could see the danger of rampant censorship that was lurking in the shadows of the bill that eventually got "Parental Advisory" stickers on the front of music deemed with offensive lyrics. Today, it is conservatives protesting violations of 1a, but is unfamiliar territory as the Democrats have ALWAYS been vigilant on that front, say the rare exception of Tipper Gore. I remember the ACLU defending Nazi rallies down Main Street USA, but not any longer.
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The leftist, more than ANY other political affiliation in my lifetime has driven just about everything under the umbrella of politics. Politics have always been a divisive subject, so it is no surprise that when we now speak of male and female as a political position... we know we are fucked!
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@learningtocrash4030 ... I am not being fooled by anyone :) I am completely cognisant of what the leftist is doing and push back on them literally every single day! I absolutely agree that they are drunk with power and have been insanely enabled by multiple entities, not the least of which are nearly ALL of big tech, certainly all of the most populated ones, but mostly from Joseph Goebbles Propaganda Machine.
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I will admit that I have lost a bit of context with THIS particular thread, as I am involved in several ongoing VERY detailed discussions on both "a zero borders for the entire globe" and "issues of capital punishment and 3 strikes laws". The latter being on THIS very video here :) That said, I don't care if anyone "feigns" they are being censored, I care only if they ARE being censored. I also don't care WHO is being censored, I will defend their right to speak, 100% irrespective of whether or not I agree with them. While I most certainly disagree with, safe to say.... 99.9% of the positions held by leftists, I will defend their right to say whatever it is they have to say, but draw the line on being told that it is I who have to follow whatever it is they say.
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I am certain that you and I agree on that last point for sure, even if not on all others :)
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@learningtocrash4030 ... I hear what you are saying, but we CANNOT allow ourselves to believe that you or I should be the arbiters of what is and is not acceptable speech. Yes... We can see ALL over big tech, that conservatives are most certainly and openly demonized by leftists, while they do ZERO to curb or punish it in any way. However, we CANNOT become that which we are fighting! I am fully aware of the evils that are perpetuated by leftists, but I have and WILL CONTINUE to be civil in the face of it, so long as it is confined to issues of dialog. To that end, this is where I draw the line!
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To this very day, I have worn a Covid mask twice... EXACTLY TWO TIMES! Once to vote Trump last year and again to vote Larry Elder and oust Grewsom. I obviously live in Comifornia, so BOTH were wasted votes, beyond any possible "manipulation" that absolutely DID occur (careful with words as some WILL get comments deleted by algorithm). I am not vaxxed nor will I EVER be and is not because I am anti-vax. I have not taken a vaccine for literally 40+ years and that last one was for tetanus, as I was cut by a VERY rusty nail at work. All indications are that the vax IS helping to save lives and lessen the strain on health system. I understand the jury is still out on things, but debating Covid is another way to get comments deleted).
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I will continue to believe in 1a, as I am as nearly an absolutist as ANYONE you will ever meet, when it comes to free speech. Even if that speech is allowed to tell ME I have no right to it, because "my speech" is that of a conservative... and moderate one at that!
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@learningtocrash4030 ... It may be due to how you wrote the above, but not completely following you :(
1. You won't vote for Trump.... gotcha! I did not vote in 2016, but I did vote Trump 2020. However, I cannot imagine voting for him if he runs in the future and is NOT because I no longer support him. I cannot and will not speak to every claim that everyone has made against him, but I do not know what you mean by "repeatedly denounced normal Americans", so if you care to clarify, I will be listening :)
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2. I would give serious push back against the notion that 90% of the population supports the erosion of free speech, if I am reading your comment correctly. Again, if I misunderstood, please clarify, as I will NEVER intentionally straw-man another nor will I assume the least generous interpretation of what someone says. it may appear that I have done one or both, but NEVER by intention :)
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@Paper Fart ... Here is what I have been doing. Whenever you make a comment that contains "wrong think" (if you are even 1% conservative or libertarian, than you DO!), copy/paste it to a .txt file PRIOR to posting. Refresh the page and confirm it has not been deleted by YouTube Censorship Mafia. If so, paste it back and change spelling of key words. On ABL or Jericho Green, the words "Barack Obama" have gotten MANY of my comments deleted, so change spelling to "B-arak Oh-bama" or the like. The algorithm may not catch it, so you are good. This is a PITA, but we MUST force these authoritarian platforms to display content that they hate :) I was mod of Unsafe Space for a time and was CONSTANTLY under the watchful eyes of our Lord and Savior, Susan. However, I was ALWAYS able to get creative enough, so as to avoid the axe and got my message out :)
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@mathewm7136 …. No. He disclosed more information than any person in history, but he failed to have backups of video that YouTube hade since deleted. He was incapable of supplying video that he did not possess. Furthermore, the judge precluded his ability to show clips of his apologies, because she said that it would remove context and the court cannot show 2 hour InfoWars broadcasts, in order to provide the INSANE degree of context she was demanding.
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Of course, that did not stop her from allowing clips of his statements, regardless of the context. Look, I get that AJ defamed, as Sean said. There is ZERO question that he should be financially punished for what he said. However, this “trial” is NOT about just getting punitive damages, it is awarding $90M to an FBI agent for AJ calling him an actor and a making a mean statement.
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The judge FORCED the defense into a position in which they had no option but to plead “no contest”, because the judge needed that to be said in order to continue with his persecution. The state has weaponized the legal system to go after those that call their actions into question. AJ is an easy target, but the state wants precedent in which to provide an ongoing threat to ANYONE whom they feel may simply offend another against the states wishes.
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AJ absolutely DID defame, but sure as hell nowhere near the level of his persecution.
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@robertmosher7418 ... Yes. In states and local elections, that is what happens and what is the "Most fair" for them. However, we can move out of towns, counties and states, but we cannot so easily move out of country. Florida cannot hold us all and will eventually close its doors to new residents, because growing pains WILL begin to cause great harm to Florida, even if they ARE all sane people who like DeSantis. Florida will continue going right until such time as it will go too far and they will elect a Democrat or, God forbid... a leftist and it will all swing back again. In short, this country has been F'd over by a VERY, VERY small number of extremists, combined with liberal voters who cannot see past their own tribe in November every 4 years.
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@totorosghost ... You continue to read a LOT into at least my cooment(s). If you have not already, expand them and see each one of my replies, as I have been not only consistent, but have not gone beyond my OP. Like everyone else in this thread, I have a TON of disagreements, push-back and more, for many positions I have heard / seen her support / praise.
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However, while ALL of those things were, are and remain true, she has been willing to not only accept a 180 degree turn on a number of big issues, but she cannot "unsee" what she has been accepting for a while now. She will certainly never be team Cheeto Man nor even a conservative, but as I have asked in one or two previous replies... how often do we see ANYONE so far on the left of so many issues, not go double, triple, quadruple and octuplet down on every single occasion?
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She is still and will always lean very heavy to the left and maybe even more than ever on some of them, she has been willing to not just reverse course on some very key issues, but once a person's eyes have been opened to such a degree, she cannot simply close them again. She is allowing at least some of the sane back into her liberal world view, so I am merely recognizing that.
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Furthermore, we must also recognize that she is on a MASSIVE platform, that has millions of followers, who despise these change of positions, but some of them WILL give some benefit of the doubt and listen, because she has their ear, regardless of yours, mine and all others in this threads opinion about those positions. She is now embracing fact over feelings in a number of issues those of us on the outside have been ripping our hair out, hoping she and many others would see.
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I get that probably most of these changes of position, have come due to being directly effected by them, but that does count as changing position. We can ask.."what took so long" and similar questions, but the point is.... she is not only reversing course on some huge things, but now TELLING that audience of millions just why she is doing so and some of them will be moved, to some degree, as she has. Those people will now begin to think about them and guess what... THEY will talk to others and share those views. Sure, some will be dragged back again or just leave the channel, but she IS getting some of them to look at an opposing opinion and giving it consideration.
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This is where I have stood since my OP. I have zero hopes she will begin wearing a dark pink hat with 4 letters embossed upon it, but we NEED sane libs and on at least some of the biggest issues (crime), she is not just moving that direction but to the point where she gave a sincere shout out to Sean's channel. Sean has been one of her harshest critics, yet here she is telling those millions of followers to check him out.
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I am repeating myself and like you, I have had an INSANE number of comments removed (my story is worse than most reading this, I can all but guarantee it), so I will back this up to Wordpad, in the event that it is removed, so I can try again with some encryption. Though, my experience as of late is that once a SINGLE comment / reply has been removed, from a video, any further comments, are then auto-deleted for at least 24 hours and often times, permanently. I have a sheet ton of threads in which I cannot reply to strawman, obfuscation, conflation, lies and some extremely bad faith replies to my comments and not one GD'd thing can do about answering to them. What makes it worse, is then that person continues to call me out, for not remaining in the thread, as if I cannot refute his / her "facts".
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I know your pain ALL too well, but will keep on trying anyway. Peace, Toto :)
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@totorosghost .... (trying again)..... Seems you continue to read a LOT into at least my comment(s). If you have not already, expand them and see each one of my replies, as I have been not only consistent, but have not gone beyond my OP. Like everyone else in this thread, I have a TON of disagreements, push-back and more, for many positions I have heard / seen her support / praise.
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However, while ALL of those things were, are and remain true, she has been willing to not only accept a 180 degree turn on a number of big issues, but she cannot "unsee" what she has been accepting for a while now. She will certainly never be team Cheeto Man nor even a conservative, but as I have asked in one or two previous replies... how often do we see ANYONE so far on the left of so many issues, not go double, triple, quadruple and octuplet down on every single occasion?
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She is still and will always lean very heavy to the left and maybe even more than ever on some of them, she has been willing to not just reverse course on some very key issues, but once a person's eyes have been opened to such a degree, she cannot simply close them again. She is allowing at least some of the sane back into her liberal world view, so I am merely recognizing that.
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Furthermore, we must also recognize that she is on a MASSIVE platform, that has millions of followers, who despise these change of positions, but some of them WILL give some benefit of the doubt and listen, because she has their ear, regardless of yours, mine and all others in this threads opinion about those positions. She is now embracing fact over feelings in a number of issues those of us on the outside have been ripping our hair out, hoping she and many others would see.
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I get that probably most of these changes of position, have come due to being directly effected by them, but that does count as changing position. We can ask.."what took so long" and similar questions, but the point is.... she is not only reversing course on some huge things, but now TELLING that audience of millions just why she is doing so and some of them will be moved, to some degree, as she has. Those people will now begin to think about them and guess what... THEY will talk to others and share those views. Sure, some will be dragged back again or just leave the channel, but she IS getting some of them to look at an opposing opinion and giving it consideration.
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This is where I have stood since my OP. I have zero hopes she will begin wearing a dark pink hat with 4 letters embossed upon it, but we NEED sane libs and on at least some of the biggest issues (crime), she is not just moving that direction but to the point where she gave a sincere shout out to Sean's channel. Sean has been one of her harshest critics, yet here she is telling those millions of followers to check him out.
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I am repeating myself and like you, I have had an INSANE number of comments removed (my story is worse than most reading this, I can all but guarantee it), so I will back this up to Wordpad, in the event that it is removed, so I can try again with some encryption. Though, my experience as of late is that once a SINGLE comment / reply has been removed, from a video, any further comments, are then auto-deleted for at least 24 hours and often times, permanently. I have a sheet ton of threads in which I cannot reply to strawman, obfuscation, conflation, lies and some extremely bad faith replies to my comments and not one GD'd thing can do about answering to them. What makes it worse, is then that person continues to call me out, for not remaining in the thread, as if I cannot refute his / her "facts".
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I know your pain ALL too well, but will keep on trying anyway. Peace, Toto :)
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@alexandermccabe556 ... and you know anyone in this thread voted Biden, because..... how exactly? Besides, this is not on Biden anyway, this is on the same MarxistCrat cult, but we have to go beyond even Grewsom for the blame of Comifornia. This state is deep, deep, DEEP blue and MarxistWood is the capital of WOKE cult around here. This is a lot of years of Democrats and gotten much worse, since the really far leftists have been running the place. I had hopes that we could squeeze Larry Elder in here, but I underestimated the amount of stupid in which I am surrounded here. Eventually, these states will figure it out, but not likely before complete societal collapse, which I expect by 2030.
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@billybatson7852 ... Clearly there is a market for WOKE, but it is WAY, WAY smaller than these CEO's believe it is. The problem becomes when these companies saturate they ideology, as Disney has, OR invest money / resources / backing for something like Cuties, as N*****x did.
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I would say that most people would not even make a big fuss over positive LGBTQ programming, if it were to just stick with portraying a positive message and / or light. The issue comes when there is promotion of such values toward children, by creating an ever increasing representation of it in their programming, such as Disney freely admits to doing.
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Look, we continuously hear the Democrats and particularly Regressives and the WOKE crowd, claiming there must not only be "tolerance", but acceptance and respect for LGBTQ. Tolerance is a two-way street and the trans-activist is EXCEEDINGLY aggressive in forcing their pro-LGBTQ agenda down everyone's throats. It has SERIOUSLY crossed a line in the sand, when we see a bunch of public educators releasing video of them directly defying parents wishes and promoting ANY human sexuality in K~3rd.
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Secondly is the demand for respect and I have news for anyone who is reading this, not only is respect earned, but there are some who are just not going to be on board with LGBTQ regardless of circumstance. Those mentioned above are just going to have to be "tolerant" of them, because some oft them will NEVER be moved on this issue... period.
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I am 57 and live 30 miles from San Francisco. So I saw the rise of AIDS and press for many gay rights, as the news was so local, that it got lots of coverage. While gay people rightfully wanted to reduce discrimination, be legally recognized as partners for insurance coverage and things like hospital family visitation and gay marriage, being chief among them. That was a long road, but while there were many activists, they were nowhere NEAR as aggressive as the LGBTQ activists today.
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By "aggressive", I am referring to what happens when the Twitter Outrage Mob decides that a person is a trans-phobe or wont respect their demand for proper pronouns and seeks to, and is often successful, in removing them from social media / employment. Just look at the children in legal trouble the other day for not using "They / Them" to address a girl in their school. This is pure insanity and is turning WAY more people against the trans-activists cause than they will ever gain.
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EDIT: When the gay community was pressing for gay marriage and such, there WERE those who said that one day, they would come for the children. While this was NOT the case back in the 80's, it opened the door for the trans-activist today and they FREELY ADMIT, they are coming for the children. One must consider ALL of this, if to understand why so many are opposed to the LGBTQ forcing its message / ideology / lifestyle choice at every turn.
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@aratosm ... Agreed. I was MOD for a time on Unsafe Space, here on YT. Aside from regular censorship I would get almost daily, it was VERY bad, once I was associated with that channel. I had to get exceedingly creative in order to post show notes and LINKS that I would do after every live stream.
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I g-ot to p-ut-ting "da-shes" with-in wor-ds to h-ide the-m fr-om tri-g-gering t-he al-gori-thm. There is no question at all, the majority of big tech, Biden admin and Democratic party are just fine with c-en-so-rsh-ip, so long as it is ONLY in a single direction. We need only look at the response to Elon Twitter deal to see EXACTLY how delusional they are, when it comes to who they want to "control" the town square.
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Yes. The down vote was a direct response to the ever increasing ratio that leftists are / were getting, but just as with all injustices we see those in power want to protect, it will not last.
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Tyranny will not stand! Peace, aratosm :)
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@drunkenskeptic6633 ... This is all true, though society would punish us dearly for openly saying such things. To be fair, criminals come in all races, but the fatherless black homes are over 70%! The leftist cult will claim that racism drove the fathers away, but anyone with 1/2 a brain, knows that simply is not true. As Seantiago always says..."it is not poverty that drives crime, it is crime that drives poverty". When crime is high, no reasonable person will invest in a property or store, because a) there is no money to do so and b) because people don't want to shop where crime is more likely to occur. Make the streets safer and the store owners will hire employees to serve customers and customers will shop there, then stores are willing to invest in their property.
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This is the simplest math ever, but as you said... the power of victim hood is FAR too strong for many and pushed EXTREMELY hard by the Democratic party.
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@talesofgore9424 .. There is no question, we cannot live in the same space as the truly indoctrinated. While that number is EXTREMELY few, in actual population numbers, they are, as you know, exceedingly aggressive and it is THEY who would hold the seat at what some would say "A national divorce".
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I don't know if that is what you are thinking, but if you are, we both know they would NEVER honor any agreement, because they would NEVER bargain in good faith or with honor. They absolutely WILL come after us for any negotiated resources, as if there were not 260M things of which we could never possibly agree anyway.
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The only fortunate thing is that a MASSIVE number of the cult are merely sheep. They have no balls and ONLY talk tough, because they want to stay in the good graces of those who will make their life hell on social media and socially in general.
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It is my contention that the trans activist cult has already been encroaching on the line that the normies are saying 'no more". We see it with BL, now Target and while I think they will still bend a bit, we are seeing a grass roots stand up against this. We see people paying upwards of $2.5M+ for defense of subway hero and the rhetoric of prosecuting that guy has quieted down.
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I don't know if we can save the west, but there will be a "crossing of that line" at some point and it will be go time for a massive crowd somewhere.
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