Comments by "" (@NinjaKittyBonks) on "TYT LIES About Amir Locke" video.

There was some issues with this police raid. Aside from sleeping with a weapon, which seems a bit strange, ANYONE who is sound asleep being awoken by a bunch of screaming people right next to you, is going to take a moment to figure out what the hell is happening. I can all but guarantee, that this guy had NO IDEA this was police. Hindsight, but had they NOT been yelling, they could have pulled back the covers, he might have remained asleep or at least not startled and held his weapon and disabled his ability to shoot. . This could have been handled differently, especially since there were 3 simultaneous entries in that same building looking for the one person they never found. EDIT: I have some fundamental issues with "no knock", as it can be directly responsible for creating some equally negative situations as with knocking.
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@AnthonyPearson4JesusofNazareth ... NO, I am not doing so. I am saying that 6~8 people rushing in to an apartment and ALL yelling "police... search warrant" sounds like a bunch of people just YELLING random stuff, and particularly to someone who is sleeping. I don't know the time of day it was, but anyone not expecting entry by police, or anyone for that matter, is going to need a moment to figure out what the hell is happening. Now, this can most certainly be an advantage for officers and why "No Knock" warrants are issued. In THIS case, and certainly some others, this guy was killed and STILL disorientated. . I don't have a good answer and I am not anti-police. I just think that No Knocks create negative scenarios that are equally as bad as any other way of entry.
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@trumpdrago517 & all of the above.... To be clear, I am not anti-cop here, I just think this was not handled very well. Do the following experiment. Set up THIS video, when the door is about to be opened by police. Turn the sound up VERY, VERY loud and close your eyes and just listen to the yelling. Now, remove yourself from the understanding you are plying back a video and you are asleep with ZERO idea about anything going on around you. 6 or more cops YELLING "police... search warrant" is NOT something one can distinguish from a bunch of random people who may have just kicked down your door. You are ASLEEP and hardly in a conscious state to understand. . Hindsight is 20/20, so I am not going to pick this apart from the safety of my living room desktop. However, there are fundamental flaws with "No Knock" entry that create exactly this type of issue to happen.
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@IanDaviesRules ... I agree with you here. Please read ALL of my comments, as I think you and I are on the same page. I want cops to be safe, but we have to be VERY careful, when they have such leeway that it puts innocent people at risk. There is clearly a balance that can never be consistently met, but we need to have the discussion in an open and honest way :)
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@AnthonyPearson4JesusofNazareth ... RE: I think they do not : I want to understand what you are saying here. Are you saying that No Knock warrants have no greater risk of catching / making someone disoriented to what is happening?.. please clarify for me :)
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@PirateNinjaMegaRobot ... OK, you aren't LISTENING to me here. Let me clarify AGAIN! I am NOT anti-cop NOR am I anti-No Knock warrant. What I am saying is that these type of entries create a very SPECIFIC danger to us all and here is why. The idea of No Knock is to give the police a supreme advantage, as they catch someone by surprise and, hopefully, unable to resist as they otherwise would. While this is FANTASTIC, if this happens to be the murderer, multiple time felon who's home you have entered.. . However, if this is NOT the correct home or happens to be some mistake and this is the home of someone who is NOT a bad guy, but has a weapon, because law abiding 2a and all that. You are asleep or otherwise laxed on the couch...whatever. ALL you hear is a bunch of people yelling what cannot be easily distinguished as "Police.. this is a warrant", because it is a whole bunch of them yelling this. As mentioned my comment above.... line up THIS video at the point when the cops are turning the key. Close your eyes, turn up the sound VERY loud and imagine you are sleeping or chilling in your room. What do you hear..? You hear what could VERY easily be a bunch of gang bangers rushing into your home, because you are taken 100% by surprise. You are not likely going to isolate ONE voice saying "Police... this is a warrant". No, you are going to be disoriented for at LEAST a few seconds, they bust through the bedroom door and you ALREADY have your weapon, because you are fire arm proficient and in your own home. . All you see is a bunch of guys dressed in black pointing guns at you and, because you already had YOUR gun, but not fully aware of what is happening yet, you have it pointed at the door they are entering. Now, you have done NOTHING wrong, but the cops have to assume you are a bad guy, understandably... and you are dead! . I think what would be MUCH better, is to designate ONLY a single person to yell "Police... this is a warrant" several times, with a couple seconds between each mention. Since they are announcing at that point anyway, at least those who are NOT criminals, have a moment to comprehend what is happening. I get that the surprise is what gives cops added safety, but it also creates a much higher degree of risk for average Joe who did NOTHING wrong, but is now dead. . Please tell me if this does not make sense :)
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@PirateNinjaMegaRobot ... No..... you are assuming this person, or ANY person would have a full grasp of what was happening in the midst of a iteral 9 seconds of chaos. If this was a murderer or a multi-felon with a weapon... I have ZERO... let me say that again.... [size 86 font... ZERO] issue with removing him from this earth. Yes, the first guy DID yell solo, but after about 1 second, all you hear is a bunch of guys rushing in and screaming. If you are asleep or completely relaxed and you hear that first "Police... this is a warrant", you are INSTANTLY overwhelmed by a bunch of guys yelling and 98% of all people are going to be so jarred by the suddeness of it all, won't be able to digest that INITIAL "Police... this is a warrant", before you are facing multiple black clad men swarming you from all sides. If you are NOT the bad guy and you have an actual conscious care for your fellow humans, as the thugs and murderers obviously don't... you are going to be dead before you EVER figure out what the hell is going on. . While the overwhelming is great from the cops perspective and I cannot blame them in the least for wanting such an advantage, when a mistake is made, bad intel or otherwise a person who was NOT the target of the warrant, this is what happens. This guy was legal 2a, and while a bit odd he awakes puling a gun, It is exceedingly unlikely that THIS particur man understood what the hell was happening, before he was shot dead. . Based on what we understand at this moment, and that may change in time, why would he not just comply with police orders? He was not on the warrant and, since legally possessing a weapon, he had NOTHING to fear... right? If it was soo obvious that these were a bunch of cops, it would be guaranteed suicide to pop out from under the blanket packing a gun. . This is a GUARANTEED way to be shot, so are you suggesting that he KNEW it was police, but as an upstanding legal gun owner, decided he wanted to have a shoot out in the living room? It is beyond obvious, that he had NO IDEA these were cops, because he was not a criminal and had no reason to resist. No, he was supremely startled and his instincts were to exit the blanket with a fire arm to protect himself. . Tell me.. why pull a gun, when it was so obviously cops looking for someone else?
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@PirateNinjaMegaRobot ... Some things we know to be true: 1. The man shot, was in possession of a legal fire arm. Ergo he was not a convicted felon and for all we know, he had not committed any crimes 2. He was alone in this apartment and door was locked, so not expecting any visitors I will do my best to steel man your argument, as I understand it :) The police enter the door quietly with a key, so as to remain stealth. One officer immediately yells "Police... this is a warrant" (may not be verbatim) and within 1 second, multiple other officers yell the same thing. Very clearly, this is intended to startle any occupants and the idea is that they will caught off-guard and be less likely to reach for a gun or mount some kind of resistance. I get this, and I fully understand how this will make it safer for police, as entering a home in this way is about as risky as it gets for police. Now, the ONLY way I can interpret your position at this point, because it appears that you believe that the INITIAL officer announcing "Police.... this is a warrant" is sufficient for anyone within earshot to not only understand exactly what is happening, but NOT reach for a weapon, if you happen to not be a bad guy. Again.... I am NOT trying to straw man you, but this is how I understand you position to be. . Based on what I have written directly above, and subject to error, this is the only conclusion I can surmise. This guy not only knew it was cops, but understood it was a legal warranted raid upon the apt. he was within, his go-to move was pop out from under the covers, weapon first, and do what....? No reasonable person, particularly one who is 2a and legally carrying, is going to think that police are going to stand down or otherwise NOT react in such a way to protect themselves from being shot, which is the ONLY reasonable consideration the police would have at this point. . My conclusion, based on the above: This guy was asleep or at least relaxed enough to have no idea, that cops were going to enter into his space and begin yelling. When the first "Police... this is a warrant" is yelled, he is obviously not expecting such an outburst, so it takes the average mind a moment to digest the sound, process it and realize... "Oh, this is police and I have not done anything wrong, so I will just put my hands at "twelve and two", so to speak, and calmly comply with the officers. No, in such a state of sleep or rest, that FIRST "Police... this is a warrant" is yelled and just wakes you up. . How many times in your life has the dog or cat knocked over something loud in the house and wakes you up in the middle of the night? You are suddenly wide awake, as you heard the crash of broken glass on the kitchen floor. Now, how long does it take you to put the sound together with one of your pets making a mess in the kitchen... lol. It takes you probably 3 maybe 4 seconds, until you yell... "Dammit, Fido... get out out of the garbage can!" (remember... this is REAL time 3 or 4 seconds). Now, fast forward to THIS moment, the initial "Police..." wakes you up, within 1 second, you are awake, but certainly not fully alert yet, you hear multiple others just yelling loudly. I would safely bet that 99% of all humans who are not living with the idea cops are going to enter their home, would be unable to process all this within the following 3 more seconds! It would be VERY reasonable to assume you were having your home invaded and you are likely to be in extreme danger immediately. You were JUST sound asleep and within 3 seconds, you think you may die! . If this guy was able to understand ALL of this, in the time allotted, why emerge with a gun when he KNEW there were multiple officers pointing guns directly at him? . I am doing my best to steel-man, so keep this in mind :)
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