Comments by "" (@NinjaKittyBonks) on "The McCloskeys Did Nothing Wrong" video.

For those I was talking in chat... 1) I support the McCloskey's 100% in what they did, say lack of trigger discipline on her part 2) I wish she would have NOT pointed the gun around as she did 3) Doing this widened the door for corrupt leftist prosecutors to press charges (whether BS or not, they now have charges they must fight) 4) Trigger discipline, as @I Am Bob pointed out, was my ONLY issue here! While the mob had NO RIGHT WHATEVER to be on that property and I have NO ISSUE WHATEVER WITH THEM FEARING FOR THEIR LIVES by the McCloskey's, the laws regarding brandishing weapons varies from state to state. Seems they were 100% in the right for this state, and any as far as I am concerned, pointing a weapon at random people is a problem. If unloaded, fake or anything, if the gun is presumed to be real, anyone in front of that gun is reasonable to fear for their life. While I don't have any personal issue with them being afraid for their life, holding finger on a trigger of a REAL gun can VERY easily lead to discharge due to sudden loud sound or response by a "peaceful" protester throwing something. While I would still argue they are protecting their homes and lives as owners, the law has some difficulty defending killing of a person because he threw an orange or yelled.
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@Flash Out If the "modifying" of this weapon to make it functional when it was NOT at the time of her holding it, that is 100% straight up criminal behavior on the part of prosecutors and throw them in jail.. PERIOD! . As for the gun being a prop or fake or a cigarette lighter, as some have said, makes no difference in the eyes of the law as it pertains to the "protesters" (violent F'ing mob). Here is an example, If I was to enter a bank with intent to rob it. I brandish a weapon, that is reasonably "believed" to be loaded gun, but is 100% incapable of hurting a fly, the people in front of that gun STILL LEGITIMATELY FEAR FOR THEIR LIVES. While I have have a huge problem with THIS mob of thugs hell bent on destroying the McCloskey property or harming / killing them, the law does not take kindly to pointing a weapon at a group of people. Yes, they were on private property. Yes. it is very reasonable to assume that there is a real danger of harm to the McCloskey's. However, finger on trigger and pointing around at people in crowd, regardless of ACTUAL danger, is bad trigger discipline and she was wrong to do that. . Do I think they should get ANY punishment at all... NO. Do I think the prosecutor is a POS.... YES. Do I wish she would have kept the "weapon" pointed down and finger OFF of the trigger... absolutely!
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@commandercorner5575 ooops... your comment came in while I was writing my response to the earlier one. . While they may have had the legal right, in the eyes of Mo. law, it would have been VERY difficult to defend the actions based on what we saw in the video. I don't know how to be more clear in my position here, as legal, moral and "acceptable" behavior are not all in agreement on this. Trigger discipline is the issue that is going to be argued here and that will be the focus of prosecutor. If both were textbook finger off trigger and pointing down, the prosecutor would STILL make the argument, but have MUCH less legs to stand on. The media is just showing close ups of her pointing the gun, juxaposed (sp?) to people standing around and it is very bad optics. "WE" know it is media bias, but those who only watch such news sources are much more likely to support the prosecutor, even though it is pure BS.
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@checkyoursixgaming OMG... I wish people would just read what I said very clearly above. It MAKES NO DIFFERENCE that the weapon was a prop.... I was assumed to be real, so a "threat" is legitimately perceived. I am 100 BILLION % fine with that, but her lack of trigger discipline is the ONLY strength the prosecutor actually has here. We KNOW it is crap that they are in any legal trouble, but welcome to 2020 and leftist politicians running so much of our country. . Nobody physically approached the McCloskey's personal space, so they should have kept the weapons pointed down and OFF the trigger. I am not saying the crowd did not have harmful intent, they absolutely did. If they did NOT have weapons, there is ZERO doubt in my mind they would have rushed the house and at the very least caused damage, but likely burned it to the ground. Had the McCloskey's kept the weapons pointed AWAY from these people, there would be nobody siding with the prosecutor here. I don't blame them for pointing the weapon, but THAT is the issue that has them in hot water here. If the gun is facing down, it can be raised in a split second to fire IF NECESSARY. Pointing a gun all around at people creates the optics that SUPPORT the prosecutor pressing charges, as the media will sell it that way. We all know that in the end, it will fall apart, for several reasons. A huge swath of this country is blinded by leftist news and they are out there believing the lies because the images are manipulated to fit the narrative we ALL know they want to sell. That is sad, but it is reality :( . The McCloskey's would have been 100% just as protected if they kept the guns pointed down and off the trigger. Whether that is what any of us would have done is unknown, but a trained soldier in the military would NOT have waved a weapon at people as she did and that is being used as the excuse to press for prosecution. I don't agree they should be doing that, but I have no say in Mo. law.
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@checkyoursixgaming ... [continuous banging of head on concrete wall] If you were walking down the street and she randomly jumped out and pointed that "item" at you, would you at that moment be scared for your life? Yes... finding out later that you could not have been injured is completely irrelevant, as the event in question has ended. You were being controlled by threat of death, so that is what the prosecutor, whether we agree or not, is building a case. Even though danger never ACTUALLY existed, it was used as a threat to warn others to back off and she got exactly what she wanted... they backed off. I hope every single one of them soiled their undies at that moment, but fear of being shot was the intent and mission accomplished. Damn... I keep repeating myself, but don't know how to fix it... lol . Now, can we move onto something we on which we actually disagree please :)
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@checkyoursixgaming ... Am I OK with cops killing children? You actually ask that question? You and I disagree on some EXTREMELY fine nuances of this situation and your go-to is that I approve of cops killing children? WTF! Why don't you sit down with Cathy Newman on Channel 4 and play the "so you are saying" game with her, because I wont. . I am not a lawyer, I am just giving you a VERY reasonable interpretation of how a hell of a lot of people see this situation (without breaking down the fine points of state laws). It doesn't make one bit of difference of how you or I interpret the law here or what we think is morally acceptable. We both know that if the prosecutor has a stick up his arse to file charges, he will do exactly that. Maybe he doesn't believe he has a snowballs chance in hell of conviction, but he is just virtue signaling anyway and The Constitution and Bill of Rights are the ultimate victims here, so let's keep our eye on the ball. . Regarding your last sentence and even if it will be thrown out of court... here they are in a heap of trouble because they (she) unnecessarily pointed a weapon at people. Even if they are 100% exonerated from any legal wrong doing, my opinion that they could have handled this differently will not change. If there was someone pointing a gun at THEM, my opinion would flip 180 degrees, but from all that I have seen and heard, this was not the case. You and I can kick this back and forth all day, but it is the McCloskey's who must fight for their freedom and deal with all of this crap directly. As we both know, if the prosecutor can get JUST enough leftists to agree to a trial, it only takes a few more on the jury to get a conviction. Even if the gov. pardons them, they would still have VERY likely avoided ALL OF THIS had the weapons been pointed at the ground an finger off the trigger.... whether it there actions are in line with Mo. law or not.
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Can we get a mod to lock this thread now? I don't care who is wrong or right or gets the last word. I am just done with this already.... lol
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