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@geoff N ... Very well said! I too have seen this entire thing, but while a couple years ago, I can still vividly recall what a complete arse Dyson is. When one follows a strict doctrine of ideology, it is never a good thing, regardless of what it happens to be. Dyson views the world through the lens of race and therefore cannot see anything outside of that view. Sadly, it is people like him and many others who are held up as beacons of light by the outrage mob and forever cited as continuing the struggle against racism. In reality, they are CREATING more racism and division, as people are tired of being told they are inherently racist, simply for being white. In the end, Marxists like Dyson, will only create more of what they claim to be the bane of black people in America. If it were possible to accurately measure the number of "white supremacists" (by David Duke standards, for example).
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I guarantee the number in 10 years will be FAR greater than it is today. Not only in attitudes like David Duke, but the standard by which one is called a "white supremacist" by people like Dyson. For when a black person is held accountable for his / her actions that negatively affect cohesion of our society, that person IS a "white supremacist", by that standard. Hell, Candace Owens and Larry Elder, among many others I can name, are also considered "white supremacists", by calling them a shill for the white man.
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I honestly am not sure how we are to get out of this mess, people like Dyson have brought among us in society. They are 100% fully committed to the victims narrative and that ANY standard by which they are judged, is unfair and racist at its core. These are the extremists and know nothing of compromise or humility, when it comes to discussion or debate. It is "I am right, you are wrong and racist to even suggest otherwise".
PS> People like Dyson strive and WANT the discussion to drag into the gutter, as emotional dribble is how they subsist in debate. This inevitably will lead to great "video clips" for his followers to use as fodder to defame wonderful humans, such as JBP and Stephen Fry. Both have IMMENSE class and understand this all too well, so they rightfully don't take the bait!
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I like to speak with those of whom I disagree, because I not only want to know what they think, but why they think it. However, for this to work, it requires discussing / debating in good faith. The problem I run into constantly, is those who are tribal and these are particularly difficult to get anywhere. When one is ideologically driven, good faith VERY often goes out the window, because it is impossible to accept criticism. Bad faith, specious and straw-man arguments, along with obfuscating direct answers ends up driving me out of the conversation. That person will likely then just go back to their bubble and say how I ran away, because I cannot sustain my position. The truth is, THEY cannot argue their position, so make conversation impossible and then call it a win.
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@hoedenbesteller ... Your "I have seen you looking at me" reference, for some strange reason, brings to mind a short story I would like to convey :) A number of years ago, I was in my work truck, window down and about to turn right at a HUGE intersection. There is one of those small triangular islands for pedestrians between my single RH lane and the rest of the intersection. Anyway, just as I was about to pass by this little island, a pedestrian was hear his finish of crossing the street and getting sort of close to step onto the triangular area. The timing was such, that "who has the right of way", silently comes up and we both need to consider. Generally, I would just wait, but is he going to go another direction and not cross the street I am about to pass and he is still middle of the other street. Well, his "gate", if you will, was that of an bad attitude. No way to describe exactly, but we have all seen people who just "look" like they are pissed without ever interacting with them. Our eyes met and no doubt had an uncomfortable look at him, as I was trying to discern how to proceed. He was STILL in the middle of the other street, when I was to pass the triangle, so waiting would have been a bit premature, in my opinion. So, I opted to continue, slower than normal, but to make that turn and not wait. The moment he was stepping onto the island he looks right at me and says very loudly "F*** you!"
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He saw how I was looking at him and seemingly interpreted it as racially motivated, when it was was not. Long way around the barn here, but in essence, what may be a look of confusion can appear to be one of prejudice by another and this changes due to the history of THAT particular person. sowwy for the long story, but seemed somehow relevant.
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Take care, hoedenbestseller :)
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Yes, Zubinator. The analogy I use a LOT these days, is the Montgomery Bus Boycott. We saw an ENTIRE population, willing to stand up for what was right and walk every day, to avoid using the bus. Some walked for miles, to do this and was VASTLY more than simple inconvenience. Those of arrogant mind, thought them foolish, as the blacks will return to the bus system broken.... defeated. Of course, they did NOT return and the bus system was broken. Imagine if we had ALL done that when the lockdowns, turned from "10 days to 2 weeks" into 3 freakin' years? I was fortunate enough to have already been retired, but had I not been and was told to wear a mask or get jabbed to work... I would have walked.
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I get that it is not so easy for a HUGE number of the population, but it WOULD have been... had we all stood up and said no! We humans are too weak. We don't have the fortitude to make the sacrifices necessary to do the right thing. Imagine for 1 nano second, had Gen Z been the society, when Pearl Harbor was attacked? We would all be speaking German.
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DO.... NOT... COMPLY!
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There can be no question, that "nurture" can trump "nature", as this is free will within the ebb and flow of society. The problem becomes when that "nurture" is guided by a denial of reality. Society has and will ever continue to evolve, so a wrinkle may be added to the mix, but the adjustments MUST remain slight in sight of and sustain the fundamental reality of nature. When an ideology takes precedence and diametrically opposes nature.... this is where the issues begin and what we are seeing in droves today. This is why truth must ALWAYS be held as the standard for all things and why "my truth" is so incredibly dangerous. For "my truth" does take precedence over THE truth, so enables a person to apply blinders to reality and seek to mold the world in whatever image that ideology dictates. This is a recipe for chaos and there is precisely zero societies that can survive under such conditions in the long term. Make no mistake, when someone says..."just do this ONE thing, so as not to upset another", if that thing is based on even the SMALLEST of lies, it is the erosion of society that is being demanded of you. Not only this, but once you DO accept that "small lie", you will be asked demanded to do another and that lie will not be so small. This is the incremental steps used to undermine all of society, so one must stand their ground and not subject yourself to living with even the smallest of lies... it will be your undoing!
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@ToxicTeemoOCE ... While there are certainly a lot of people who have died from Covid, I would like to add two things to consider:
1. The death rate has been inflated, due to a number of factors and most specifically considered the "cause of death" regardless of many other factors. I have seen death certificates of people who died due to motorcycle head injuries, but had Covid, so listed as a "Covid death". Hospitals were also given financial support for dealing with Covid patients, so it was advantageous to list Covid as primary cause of illness or death.
2. Even if Covid was as bad as Bubonic Plague and we were dropping dead like flies, how does destroying the world's economy by government mandating shut down of businesses, closing schools and destroying social development of children and government paying more unemployment than they would at the jobs they previously held, going to help reduce those deaths?
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No... we should have advised the vulnerable (60+ yo's, bad heart, immune issues and such) to do ALL of the protections they can and to follow the guidelines that 100% of us are being forced to do and let herd immunity do the rest. Would some of those die who are alive today, because of these mandates... possibly, but cannot be proven. However, would we be in a HELL of a lot better shape in many, many, MANY ways had we just left people to their own freedoms to decide how to handle this... YES! If we were able to actually have OPEN discussions from ALL doctors and scientists from ALL perspectives, we would all be MUCH better informed and would have followed the "American way" of discourse to face whatever issue that comes up.
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Please don't misunderstand, I am not looking to bust your ballz or claim you agree or disagree with anything that is happening, but I am here to tell anyone who cares to listen... I will NOT stand for tyranny and neither will all of those 2a's out there :)
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@gabeo9474 …. But the employee IS the one who will pay the price of safety, NOT the store owner. If this guy was locked behind a cage or something, then coming out to attack would not be the same thing.
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In this case, he had LITERALLY 2 seconds to take action. Had he only shoved or punched, let’s say and the guy ducked or was not otherwise incapacitated. Then, he strikes back while the other guy comes from behind in less than 3 seconds. He now has 2 guys on him and the guy in back smashes his head or pulls his own weapon…. he is now dead
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So, in the span of LITERALLY 5 seconds, he goes from just hitting this guy to being dead or seriously wounded. It is INCREDIBLY easy to sit back from the comfort of our desk, with two weeks to consider 1000 options, zero risk and with full knowledge of everything that has happened since and say “woudla shoulda coulda”.
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It sucks that this guy had to make that choice, but he had only 2 seconds to take ALL of the possible scenarios into account, his previous life experiences and act. We can say… “it was only $150 of stuff that wasn’t even his”, but it IS his life that could easily be taken, if the one guy ducks a punch and the other joins from behind.
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The legalities will get worked out, but speaking strictly from a moral perspective…. I have no issue whatever with his actions.
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EDIT: Let's say, he stood back and LET them take stuff. What if they smell fear and BOTH attack him suddenly from each side? He now has 2 guys on him and he is in REAL trouble. He tried to do the right thing and allowed them the freedom to get away with theft, but what if that proved not to be enough? What if the wanted to get greedy and go for the cash register?
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@bradyjohnson7705 .. Yup. Like 98% of us, the "10 days to 2 weeks" made sense, to limit hospitals from being rushed. It is easy to look back later and see the nefarious intent, but seemed a reasonable move. What is do damned disturbing, was the willingness for the vast majority of society simply accept when it dragged on and on and on and on. I think the real kicker was social media shutting down conversation, as we could not get people on the same path of thinking, as questioning ANYTHING was verboten. Still no excuse, but being removed from one of the only things to keep occupied, being online, kept everyone from mobilizing well.
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In the end, I learned more about human nature that all of my previous 56 years. I learned that far, far, FAR too many are 100% willing to trade freedom for "perceived" safety! I have worn a mask precisely 3 times, during this hell and was twice voting and once for pet emergency. she ended up dying ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIED, because of authoritarian mask-holes that denied seeing my cat, after telling me on the phone I would not need a mask to enter lobby. There were a few prominent hold outs (Gym guy's in San Francisco Bay Area and restaurants), but were SEVERELY punished by boot stomper thug cops, who wanted to put them in cuffs for trying to make a living! Still pissed when I think about all that b*********t.
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@Sage521 .... Like nearly all lesislation, the authors get zealous and go to far, beause such legislation has been needed / talked about for a VERY long time. That said, there are precisely ZERO laws / legislation that does not end up harming someone unfairly. However, this is OVERWHELMINGLY due to greed or malice of individuals who seek to gain / profit from the system. Like all laws, the spirit of the law / legislation and the practical implication of it quite often get go astray. I was raised by a feminist mother (Born in '64) in an unhappy marriage. One will meet few that are as opposed to feminist ideology than myself and I am NO scholar of Title IX. Where it is being grossly abused right now, is the trans activist cult, who care FAR more about pushing an ideology, than one of the most fundamental reasons why Title IX is important.
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We all know that females are particularly vulnerable in certain circumstances. So separate bath / changing / shower facilities are critical and segregated sports are about basic fairness. Each of these is under BRUTAL attack and has ZERO to do with failure to interpret Title IX correctly. It has to do with the objective EVIL of a cult who seeks to destroy Western Society. I cannot speak to your circumstances, other than to say that school boards, administrators and those who sought to make a profit from Title IX did so for their OWN benefit and seems you were caught in the middle. As mentioned, this will happen with EVERY law and is not always because that law was poorly written (certainly is in some cases), but rather greed / malice of individuals or groups that game the system.
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@TheHigherVoltage ... There are two sexes... male / female .. FULL STOP! There are a fraction of percent of intersex, but the numbers are so low, they are not considered another sex, for the purposes of every day discussion.
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So, if a man has effeminate features, skinny, small Adams apple, high voice then he is a female? No.. he is not. If a female is strong and has a deep voice... she is male? No... she is not! We cannot have objective standards of conduct, when we have a subjective determination of a person's sex. There is a reason we have separate bathrooms, showers, gym's locker rooms and spaces that are SPECIFICALLY separated for females. Do not attempt to gas light me here, as I am not buying it. Sexual preferences have ZERO to do with being male or female, this is a psychological condition that drives that person to attraction of same sex. That is not a put down or to say they need to be institutionalized or even therapy, only that it is not the "normal", as per the laws of nature. We cannot change ALL the rules of societal interaction, based on how someone "feels". This is how we get men in female prisons that only want to grape the female population that is TRAPPED within the walls of a prison.
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If you are a male, you were born with a male brain, regardless of whom you are attracted. Females the same thing. I could not care less how many species are claimed to engage in same sex attraction / behavior, it STILL does not make that person a male in female body or verse visa.
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As an adult, I could not care one iota about whom you or ANYONE is attracted or engages in relations, so long as that other person is consenting and of legal age. A bit of a different discussion when two late teens, but there STILL may be legal implications, but neither here nor their.
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I could not care less what surgery, hormones or furry outfits anyone wants to wear, but I have a MASSIVE issue, when anyone is grooming children of less than legal adult age. Now, there is a place for some discussion when in early teens, but this is primarily the parents / guardians domain and / or some in public / private schools, so long as parents have a say or the ability to opt their child out.
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I am not buying your subjective determination of objective reality.. sorry, not sorry.
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Reading the title of this video is not even remotely shocking. This speaks very directly to what JD was referring to, when he make the "Cat ladies" comment. Of course, the left immediately flew into straw-man mode and accepted the least generous interpretation possible, to be this great offense against women. As Whitney Houston, one of the most amazing voices said nearly 30 years ago, "children are our future", was the subject of JD's remarks. Once a person has children, their entire world changes and suddenly..... this is not about me any more.
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Thank you, Zubinator and guest, Ms. Gina for sharing what so many of those who refuse to hear, get that opportunity 🐈
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@ariel-y-e-m ...Yes. Had he fumbled with the door for a moment and not just walked up, ripped off the signs, reached directly for the alarm, pulled it and immediately walked away, we give some degree of generous interpretation.
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@charlieb8788 .. is that true? I will vote in person in a couple days, as I have ZERO faith in voting by mail. I see about a 15% chance that the association of my name, which is printed on the ballot envelope, and the it being on the conservative list of registered voters, would see my ballot be counted! It really troubles me to feel this way, but there will be one sure test to the legitimacy of this election. We know that 2M people hand-signed an initiative to recall Grewsom. If we get little more or God forbid LESS than that number be counted as a "YES" for recall, we will know the fix is in. Sadly, I would not put it past the Demoncrats to actually have such poor forethought as to make sure that tally falls well short of 2M recall votes. Even if it did, the GOP wont have the ballz to make a legit argument for recount or accusation of fraud.
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I saw a video, in which a ballot envelope had a 1/4" hole to which you could identify a specific check-box once the ballot was placed in side and oriented correctly. That hole showed very clearly the black mark where the "recall Grewsome" box was filled in. I checked my envelope and sure enough, it had that same hole, but there happened to be no configuration in which that hole exposed ANY particular vote within. Not sure what that means, but that video is what convinced me to vote in person!
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@AGJ117 ... What in the hells ya'll talkin' 'bout? Since you brought it up, exactly where did ANYONE in this thread talk trash about rap artists? Who in this thread said the agree or disagree with Cardie B. For that matter, what makes Cardie B. imminently right or wrong an any particular issue? Even if me or anyone here did talk trash about Cardie B., does that mean she is to be completely discounted for any and EVERYTHING she may say from now into the future? Why would agreeing or disagreeing have anything to do with Naz or Meghan? Are these people somehow psychologically connected, so as to share the identical thoughts on all subjects? Did anyone in this thread speak of Cardie B. and the "gay/ho agenda" as you call it? Who said we hate / like / indifferent to ANY of those you mentioned? Who said that we think none of them are worth listening to on any given subject? You don't know any of us, you probably aren't aware that I got into rap / hip hop back in '89 and have well over 300 CD's of everyone from Public Enemy, KRS-ONE, NWA, Geto Boys, Ice-T, Last Poets and roughly 50 others. So.... you stereotype much?
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Maybe you should check yourself, before you wreck yo self! (werd)... lol
EDIT: I happen to think that Cardie B. pointed out some SERIOUS hypocrisy of Joy Reid, who I happen to think is stupid-azz nazty leftist biotch who was CRUSHED a couple months back by exposing her idiocy regarding what CRT actually is! I don't follow Cardie B. in any way shape or form, but in this particular instance... she was SPOT FUCKING ON!
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On the gun argument: Let's say that you could SNAP your finger and 100% of all guns ever created vanished, no guns could be then manufactured and nobody would with machine metal skills would make one.. there would be ZERO gun violence. Since it is impossible to do the above, criminals will ALWAYS have guns... PERIOD. Responsible owners don't go shoot things up and they deter a large amount of crime that there is no way to measure, because the crime never happens.
To take the extreme example, guns were regulated in Germany, by the Nazi's. This lead to confiscation because the government could knew where they all were. When the Nazi's took over, the people had no real defense. Cannot compare us to Canada or other countries due to diversity of different cultures and the values, lifestyles they bring to USA. This is why Colion and other gun owners are against regulation.
Beyond those, we have a Constitution and why the vast amount of people that wish to leave their own country, want to be here.
EDIT: As per climate change, the short answer is there is no real consensus. If there were, we cannot turn the economy upside down in 10 years. Could we go faster... yes, but it is not the USA that is the big problem. It is China, India that won't do anything and we all live on the same planet. The GND would literally destroy USA period. I really like this guy, except for his politics and it is great to hear Joe push back on that.
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@swannydabs620 ... I would probably do the same thing, but we must look at this from BOTH perspectives:
a: If Ahmaud was NOT guilty of anything and no idea why two guys would get out of trucks and confront him with a gun, it would be reasonable to think that these guys were NOT reasonable and therefore take the first opportunity to take them by surprise. I don't know if I would have done that, but either way, Ahmaud felt that was the thing to do.
b: If Ahmaud WAS guilty of stealing stuff and had committed a crime, based on his criminal history, he knows that getting arrested would be a very bad thing. I don't know anything about details of his history with police, but if was very violent, as I think Sean mentioned in this video, than can we be surprised that he would go for a gun, given EITHER of the two above scenarios?
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I don't know how privy those who stopped him were on the legal history of Ahmaud, but not likely they knew much. Again, hindsight is 20/20, but citizens arrest is ALWAYS going to be a fine-line thing for those doing the arrest legally, but there is just no telling how the person is going to react. Since you are not a cop, this person has no reason to think you would be accountable to anyone for your actions, as police have to follow the law or your case might be thrown out or something. I don't know if audio of their interaction was recorded on that video, but for all Ahmaud knew, these two were just a couple looking to be hero's.
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Based on all of the incredibly insane level of leftists self-victimization, we also have to recognize that Ahmaud may feel that America IS full of racists looking to lynch PoC, so reacted as such. Now, you and I know that is all a TOTAL CROCK OF SHEET, but if Ahmaud fell victim, no pun intended, to this line of thinking, than society has taught him to believe that a white guy with a gun is certain death!
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One thing is for certain, had this IDENTICAL scenario happened, say 10 years ago, I think that Ahmaud would have held still until cops arrived. Since Regressives have taken power and the State, Joseph Goebbles Propaganda Media Machine, big tech, all of academia, BLM, Antifa and the Twitter mob have had the last 6 years to beat the drum on "systemic racism", this has most definitely had a profound effect and very well led Ahmaud to make a decision, he may not have made, in say 2012!
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For those I was talking in chat...
1) I support the McCloskey's 100% in what they did, say lack of trigger discipline on her part
2) I wish she would have NOT pointed the gun around as she did
3) Doing this widened the door for corrupt leftist prosecutors to press charges (whether BS or not, they now have charges they must fight)
4) Trigger discipline, as @I Am Bob pointed out, was my ONLY issue here!
While the mob had NO RIGHT WHATEVER to be on that property and I have NO ISSUE WHATEVER WITH THEM FEARING FOR THEIR LIVES by the McCloskey's, the laws regarding brandishing
weapons varies from state to state. Seems they were 100% in the right for this state, and any as far as I am concerned, pointing a weapon at random people is a problem. If unloaded, fake or anything, if the gun is presumed to be real, anyone in front of that gun is reasonable to fear for their life. While I don't have any personal issue with them being afraid for their life, holding finger on a trigger of a REAL gun can VERY easily lead to discharge due to sudden loud sound or response by a "peaceful" protester throwing something. While I would still argue they are protecting their homes and lives as owners, the law has some difficulty defending killing of a person because he threw an orange or yelled.
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@phasespace4700 ... I did not say the "I" word was an "excellent treatment" or anything of the kind. I said that it has shown to be somewhat effective, while you said that does not work better than 10 glasses of water and a 2 bananas. You prefer to boil down Bret, Heather and JBP down to a random smattering of specious comments, in order to get my goat or some how convince me and possibly yourself that they are frauds. You choose to play this game, but I don't understand why you bother.
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Do you think that by coming into this thread, spreading your hate you will convince me or others that the years I have followed these individuals was a fools errand? If you want to change someones mind, what you have done here is no way to do so, because you are, again... not being intellectually honest and just speak trash about others.
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Again I say, have a nice day, @phasespace :)
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@rubecork7102 Amen! The difficulty most have, is oft times a condition of social media and the anonymity it provides. We have become "separated" from each other by ones and zeros and many years from now, studies will bare out the results of social media on society and it WON'T be pretty :( For reasons that ultimately lead back to he values with which someone was raised, far, far, far too many find it acceptable to be a complete arse when it comes to expressing a difference of opinion. Such discourse will cause a visceral response in nearly all cases and then a reply in kind. Since outrage has proven to get more "clicks", we have platforms like Twitter, IG and others that essentially promote such discourse. Because of how fast information is exchanged, the limitation of characters to express that information and, most importantly, the lack of discipline readers have to digest the info and FOLLOW UP WITH SOME ACTUAL RESEARCH to varify authenticity of the comment, we resort to horrible discourse.
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I don't have an answer for anyone but myself. I do my best to not only confirm what I read, but often read the ENTIRE comment 2 or 3 times, to help curb some visceral response the initial reading may have generated. I VERY often find that a second reading, shows that I missed a nuance or detail that completely changes my initial reaction. I cannot say how many times doing this has saved me from writing a very strong, but still respectful, disagreement with someone and would have been completely wrong! I have at times written something poorly and another has asked for clarification, because they took my meaning in a way which I did not intend. This has happened more than once over the years and I am always thankful to that person for giving me the opportunity to clarify.
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I have also had a "rocky" start with a replying to a comment and both of us continually reaching for common ground. To look past what we thought was ignorance, bias or whatever to find that we both learned something from each other and ended up having a really great exchange. We both hung in there and gave benefit of doubt to one another and became interweb besties :) I have also found, that I tend to write quite long replies, as it is the details that give context and express nuance and is very difficult to get into 280 characters.
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@godzillamegatron3590 ... what? Biology drives nearly all of our actions as humans, but we continually try to "over-ride" that biology with the whims of societal mandates on all kinds of things. Take gender, for a perfect example! There are EXACTLY 2 genders that exist in human beings. That is fact and cannot be disputed, by any uniformly recognized metric. Now, there are inter-sex people, who have physical attributes that conform to both male and female anatomy, but they are very rare. That does not mean we should not treat them as humans, of course we should. However, we have a society today that is trying to claim that "gender" and "biological sex" are different and no such argument can be made, without the never-ending revolving door of leftist word games that are designed SPECIFICALLY to trip up others when in discussion / debate.
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There are most certainly different races of people, as evidenced by skin color, shape of the eyes and what-not, but that we are ALL human and biology is universal between ALL of them. Sure, there are societal variations of cultural preferences for music, food and a billion other things, but THAT is what makes the human experience so beautiful. We have a MEGA sheet-ton of various religious and spiritual values and beliefs, but this really only becomes an issue when one is attempting to force THEIR values / beliefs upon one another person not interested in adopting all or some of them. There are those that go out of their way and seek out others for which to apply such pressure to change, but these are very few, as the overwhelmingly VAST amount of people just want to live their lives and be left alone by such demands of others.
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For some 10K years, humans have lived by this code, both written and un-written and the wars we have seen, are often caused by one society seeking another to conform to ITS will, ways or values. This lead to countries, states and nations, as groups of like minded people tend to flock together and has served the world pretty well, overall. I am glad to year you say you are proud of the USA, as I am, but there are many who would not dare say such a thing. It is most ironic, that those who would condemn the USA for being "racist" or "homophobic", are able to openly do so BECAUSE they are in USA and afforded The Constitution and Bill of Rights affording them the GUARANTEED right to express that hatred or condemnation of this country.
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I support the rights of those who wish to make such condemnation, but it brings me never ending frustration to see that they are seeking to destroy the VERY THING that has afforded them the voice to speak out and say as much! For the record, I have no problem with you, nor your views. While I will push back on what I disagree, I will not be disrespectful, unless another brings it down to such a level. I am a 1a absolutist and I want to hear what EVERYONE has to say or what they think, REGARDLESS of how politically correct, evil or hatred they may spew. For the light of day is the best disinfectant and when voices are silenced, they do not go away, they simply go underground. Others who have the SAME, let's say anti-social voices, WILL find them and create an information bubble of ALL like minds. This is when we have a MASSIVE problem, as those voices will often grow to resent those who have outcast them, mainstream society, and far too often lash out in acts of terror.
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I am getting off track here, but I would like you to consider more of the questions on my list. I think there was about 6 or 7, but I find you interesting to converse, so would like to hear your thoughts :) Peace, GodzillX... lol ;)
PS> Been giving all the names of people to which I reply in this thread, the "X" treatement :P
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@TheHigherVoltage ... There is nothing wrong with gay rights that WERE necessary, as LGB's and even T's are protected under The Constitution. The problem is that humans are a binary species and it is not natural to engage in homosexuality. This is a clinical term and am not disparaging the lifestyle, only that we have had approx. 117 billion people born to this earth, and 100% of them, with ZERO exceptions was born of a female that had egg fertilized by a male. Since same sex people cannot pro-create, it is outside of the "natural" order of life. That does not mean they deserve anything less than 100% protections from The Constitution, but that this way of living runs counter to natural law and opened the door for going further in that direction. So long as it was confined to adults, more power to them. The problem we have NOW, is what was predicted by those in the '80's.
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@vikinglife6316 ... The crazy thing is, if the leftists were actually looking to reduce the population and they literally view Covid as a death sentence, they would do exactly the opposite of what they are now. No, I don't think so... this is about control of population, via government by removing agency from the individual, so they would have a malleable populous with which to manipulate by fear... I think it is just that simple!
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I absolutely guarantee, that if the Demoncrats are successful in 13 SCOTUS, they will IMMEDIATELY attack 1a under guise of "hate speech" protections and 2a for national gun registry. These are VERY scary times, my friend and we need to hold our ground when they go after founding documents!
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@sargechurch1 …. There have always been events in history where things like this happened. However, EVERYTHING is being recorded now and the stories situations that go horrible wrong, go viral.
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No doubt that hundreds, of times a day, one person sticks up for another and ends with simple argument or maybe a brief fight. When someone dies, and this is at least the 2nd time in a few months, people have this burned into their memory, so far less likely to get involved.
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Compound all of this with WOKE DA’s who don’t even pursue justice far too often, so why even put yourself out there. More and more people will opt to just allow a PoS to berate another and just walk away.
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@shadowninja569 ... It is interesting, the era in which we now live. It is exceptionally rare, when a person is praised for a thing or action and one does not come right behind with something negative to say about him / her. I have heard that Chris has some less than ideal moments, in his career, but then... haven't we all? Not seeking to make excuses, but that the standard so many hold is that the capital one EARNED, is completely discarded and then usurped by that negative thing. I am not talking about a person who lived a good life and one day went on a shooting spree or killed a family member. I am talking about people who do real good in this world for quite some time, but then make a bad or even very poor decision and fall well short of that goal they normally achieve.
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I am not attacking you, Razgriz, but rather this is a common theme we see far too much of in the last number of years. There is not ONE SINGLE ADULT on this earth, who has been a good person of high moral character, who did not COMPLETELY and utterly fail on that front at some point. What I am asking is that we not judge THAT person solely upon that one lapse of judgement and look more on the totality. Again, this is not to say we should look at Adolph Hitler the aspiring artist when he was a child to excuse away his truly evil behavior some 25 years later, but to keep it all in perspective. Take Chris to task for those poor decisions, but not be so quick to define his entire existence by them.
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Peace, RR 🐱
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Religion does not cause wars, people do. Many just use it as an excuse to do so, because they are not secure enough in their own faith. If I was to say, I believe in Jesus and someone said..."he never existed, as [fill in the blank] is the TRUE God". I would, in all possible cases, seek to have a discussion, as I am always interested in not just what another person thinks... but why they think it. Pretty much guarantee, we would not come to agreement, but that is OK, he / she can feel / believe whatever they want and I will do the same.
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@ariel-y-e-m ...Agreed. He walked up and ripped the sign off one and sort of swatted at the other, then immediately for the alarm. The frustrating thing about ALL of this, is the initial cover up by the Capitol Police, who released a still image, rather than the entire video. They had to WATCH the video, manipulate the pause, so as to freeze on the pulling of alarm, when just releasing the video would have told the ACTUAL whole story.
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@sthubbins4038 ... @RoseLawliet ... I think what Dave and others, like myself, are saying is that if we say it is OK to say you DON'T have freedom of choice for Covid, where and when does that line stop? If we mandate vax today, then it will be easier to mandate other health related items going forward. "Hey, you are 105 lbs over-weight for your age group, you cannot buy french fries at a restaurant". Sooner or later, that gets moved to 75 lbs over-weight... then 50 lbs. As soon as we cross that line, it WILL be pushed farther down the road, when 105 lbs becomes the "normal" standard for mandating morality on others. This is an EXCEEDINGLY dangerous road we are on here and far too many people, not saying this about either of YOU, but we are that frog in the pot of water, with the temperature ever increasing to a boil!
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@TheHigherVoltage ... RE: What is the strawman... : Here are your quotes quoting me:
Firstly, I want to say that I appreciate your engaging with me. As I said, 100% respond one of two ways, but I cannot say that any longer 🐱I may be able to say 99.95%, but cannot say 100% any longer 😸I am saying this in a silly way, but you do have my respect for making your case. Whether I agree with it or not, humans can NEVER resolve any differences of opinion, when one or both sides refuse to debate, discuss and find some common ground in which to move forward: .... on to my replies:
So...by "everyday discussions", you really mean, but the subjective wishes of people who refuse to admit there is more than just 'male' and 'female'.
My reply to the above (not so much a strawman, but rather... "So you're saying" ALA Cathy Newman):
Do not project upon me what it is you think I mean. If you are unsure or it does not make sense... ask for clarification. The term "everyday discussions" was not used to dismiss anyone or their opinions. It was to used as a replacement for colloquially, but was drawing a blank on that word at the moment. There are anomalies in nature all the time. There are 4 leaf clovers, sometimes we see two-headed snakes or birth defects that leave a person with Down syndrome or body part deformed for some reason. To use intersex as a 3rd sex / gender, so as to BLOW UP the the binary of humans, and the entirety of the animal kingdom, is a leap I will not take. For the record, at no point did I say or do I feel, that 4 leaf clovers, two-headed snakes, those born with Down syndrome, missing / deformed body parts... OR, those who are born intersex, are to be discounted, eliminated or reduced to zero worth.
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"I am not buying your subjective determination of objective reality.. sorry, not sorry."
The irony. You want to argue that millions of people around the world, who are born either with both or neither sex organs, shouldn't be in the definition of objective reality
My reply to the above (my reply to the above and this IS a strawman):
This is taking a twisted and least generous interpretation of what I said, more importantly...what I meant, as to be offensive. My response immediately above, pretty much covers this as well. The number of intersex people that exist has zero bearing upon their value as humans. I sure as hell did not say, suggest, imply or respond flippantly, as to their inclusion of the population. My point, which I made clear, but you speciously dissected as a removal of my consideration, is where I take issue with you.
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The numbers of itersex persons born is 0.02%–0.05%, as per WIKI check right now. I am not arguing these numbers are definitive or that there are those who argue more or less, only that these fall directly in line with my statement of "... fraction of a percent", in my previous comment. Regardless of how many people this happens to be in the world, we cannot use THOSE numbers as leverage to say there is no binary in humans. Intersex is a birth defect. Something went wrong in the development within the incalculable number of variables, circumstances and absolutely INSANE melding of a female egg and male insemination. My dad's second wife has a daughter who has had two children, while living on the streets and addicted to meth. The fathers, only one of which is known, were JUST as messed up. Yet.. the son is 18 yo and daughter is 6 yo and by all accounts, they are none the worse off, in terms of development, due to both parents F'd up chemical poison that was flowing through her body, as she cycled and the sperm his body created WITH such poison in his body.
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Was not seeking to get side tracked with family, but rather illustrate how with ALL that can go wrong, the human DNA ability to work within the bounds of such horror as to fertilize and create that tiny human under a bloodstream of both flowing with chemicals, is AMAZING. However, as mentioned, there are indeed MANY who are born with various anomalies, but no matter how many people it happens to be... they were "meant" to XX or XY with perfectly functional reproductive organs, but something went wrong. They are no less valuable as humans, animals or plants, but we cannot take THAT percentage of outcomes to say that 99%+ are not the norm.
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I can get VERY wordy in my comments, but kept as short as could, while saying what needed to be said. Peace, THV :)
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@Goulash45 .. My moral compass is just fine, thank you.
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You continue to say “small amount of merchandise”, as if they have a right to just walk in and take it. Let’s say he totally complies and sits there and lets them steal. How long can these two be expected to stop “shopping”?
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Is it reasonable they will just grab, what $50 worth of stuff and then just leave? How long before they realize he is not going to resist and they keep “shopping”? Why not…? He is not going to resist, why not go for a bigger payday and hit that register?
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Is he supposed to say..”oh, excuse me…. I will just allow you to step past me and get to the register”. Do you really think that is realistic? Do you think these two might feel like he needs to be taken out of the equation?
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Suppose one makes a move for the register and this guy is pressed into a situation in which he is face to face and the guy behind clocks him with something? If he is not resisting, it is completely reasonable to assume they will get more aggressive.
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Does the schoolyard bully just have his fill of harassing someone, or does he get emboldened by the weak prey and step up his abuse? On top of ALL this….. the entire situation happened in the matter of a single moment. One minute he is finishing his cup of coffee in the back room and the next he has two guys with ski masks jumping his counter.
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Simply amazes me how you can sit back and judge this guy, when you have no GD idea what it it is like or if one or both of them will get the SAME fight response he had and attack with a weapon of his own.
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What if this was your wife, husband or child and saw two guys jumping the counter? What would you do…. Oh, don’t tell me, let me guess. You would hop on the phone, call your lawyer and have all of the laws explained, so you would have the legally measured response.
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Ya, see how that works out for your family member who very well could be needing emergency surgery or a coroner,
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James Vesta ... @Lindy Peterson... Yes... while I was not always pro-life, I certainly never really considered what was the ACTUAL process of an abortion. The word itself, does not give hint to what is actually being performed. This notion of "it is just a clump of cells" or "not human until a heartbeat" is putting blinders on both sides and looking down this narrow tunnel of the only thing one wants to see... "not pregnant any more". The visceral image of actually HOW a baby is terminated is beyond brutal and why such discussions are NEVER had by anyone who is pro-choice. I would be wiling to bet, that if 100% of the populous that is currently pro-choice, would either change their opinion completely OR at least take no issue with aggressive restrictions (early in 1st trimester). I don't like it at all, but I do understand that we cannot possibly get 100% of the people on board with banning, so like ALL things that have been impossibly tied to the political, at least reach a compromise that ONLY the fetus can't live with!
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Of course, that will not happen, because those who argue from a purely political perspective, are not willing to give ANYTHING, as it is considered a sign of weakness, so it is 8 months 31 days or bust! Something I had not thought directly about was a nervous system that must exist prior to "heartbeat", as this is the cut-off for the more rational of pro-choice people. Imagine how one would defend the literal ripping apart of a living creature (is human, but this reaches the defense we ALL have for living things) limb from limb and removed from inside the mother? I have to imagine that all but the most cold-blooded feminist ideologue, would have to "sense" the life from within screaming without voice!
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Sorry to get so dark here, but as I got to writing it is just how it came pouring out :(
EDITED: 15 hours later to correct swapping pro-life with pro-choice where I misspoke.
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@kennethburmeister8119 ... I am not emotional, I am passionate. You are correct that Joe doesn't owe me a damned thing, but rather owes something to himself... dignity. He is playing fair with an intellectually dishonest opponent who does not want to hear him apologize.. they want him to be gone. Joe is too experienced and too sharp not to get this, here he is trying to placate an angry mob that wants his head on a platter.
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Is it fair of me to ask that HE do something for the rest of our benefit...? no, it is not. He has no responsibility to anyone but himself and, in the context of his podcast... Spotify. It is certainly his choice to handle this his way, but he will come to find out that his bending the knee to unreasonable demands, will be a net loss on both ends. They will NEVER accept any apology, regardless of how many times or how sincere it may be and he has lost respect from many who once supported him. I have no business putting the weight of society on his shoulders, but of all people that tell them to F off... Joe Rogan is in better position than nearly anyone in this country.
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Even though I have no right to demand this of Joe Rogan, what he has done has most certainly caused harm. It has further emboldened the outrage mob and, in turn, emboldened Spotify to make additional demands that Joe bend the knee for "peace". There can be no peace with the outrage mob and Rogan has poised himself to learn this lesson the hard way.
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Peace, Kenneth :)
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@lindaclark9925 ... Ummm, that would be a negative on that, ma'am! The simple reason being that what BLM stands for is antithetical to that of MLK Jr. What is most amazing to me, and have said this on comments prior, Barack Obama had the bust of MLK Jr. on the Oval desk for all 8 years of his presidency, yet he supports CRT. It is truly sad how much he could have done, in the way of picking up the torch that was dropped when MLK Jr. was assassinated :( I would have loved him to have a monthly "Fireside Chat" with great thinkers over came HUGE odds to get where they were. Not just black, but ALL people who had the cards stacked against them, but through hard word, dedication, education and perseverance realized their goals in life.
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Instead, he plays the victim card, along with his wretched wife and has only made things worse in the black community. Do you remember all of the people acting as though Barack was LITERALLY going to be the savior of blacks? All of the "Baaaarrack Obaaaammaaaaaaaa" sung in songs? It is really sad to understand how much good he could have done to continue with MLK Jr's message, but pissed it all away for 8 full years.. how sad :(
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@Jimmy-ci7zn ... Sadly, I am not even remotely surprised that this happened at ALL, regardless of location :( If I have learned anything about Gen Z, it is the level of narcissism and entitlement of "give me NOW, NOW, NOW" it's that such behavior is one-upped every single day! I remember very distinctly back in mid 80's, I think it was, with the participation trophy movement, so that children would not feel left out and would be "special". Now, I cannot tell you that I foresaw this level extreme would be the result many years later, but I knew that this type of behavior would result. What I did not understand at the time, was that we were THEN about to have a 3rd generation of Marxist indoctrinated children that would never mature past the age of about 3 yo.
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It is this generation that I worry about the most. As when this house of leftist cards finally comes crashing down, I cannot foresee them making it in a traditional Western World society. Since we have soo many "children" who think exactly like those in this video, this is going to be a very long and difficult road for all of us going forward. I cannot predict how this will all turn out, but rest assured... it is going to get a HELL of a lot uglier, before it ever gets better :(
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@jdmac157 ... First: OK, just watched the entire Bernard Goetz interview from LINK above. Second: I have ZERO training / schooling as psychiatrist in any way, shape or form, so the following is 100% my take on what was shown in that video and the little that I recall from when it occured
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ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING is the only way I can describe how Bernard spoke on what led up to and including the events of that day. He was brutally honest and did not hide or shy away from anything and laid bare his very soul to be judged by anyone who were to see that recording. I was especially impressed with the jury members that were interviewed and specifically how Ms. Serpe very intellectually broke down her interpretation of Bernard speaking to the Cabey. I thought she understood and found words to describe how many of us respond or think in the past-tense and find a way to relay those details to another, as if they happened in real time during an event. It is extremely clear to me that Bernard was VERY, VERY traumatized from his being mugged 3 years earlier and was not known to me until the last couple days.
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Bernard had literally years to think about the events of that 1st mugging and slowly built up the determination to avoid such treatment in the future. However, I cannot say he was "looking for trouble", but was able to recognize it when he was exposed to it. When he described in great detail talking with these 4 and how they positioned themselves to be on each side of him, there is NO PERSON ON PLANET EARTH who would not see that as a threat. I don't care if it was 4 priests with Bibles, it would still make someone weary of being surrounded or movement prohibited. His description of verbal exchanges, motions and such by all involved, were very detailed and probably rehearsed in the days prior to turning himself in to police.
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What was equally fascinating, if not disturbing, is those that were pushing a racial angle. There was absolutely nothing in what Bernard said at any point, to suggest any kind of racial bias or factor in any way. One of those interviewed mentioned this specifically and pointed out how nearly impossible it would be to hide racial motivation by someone so distressed as Bernard was, during this video. It just goes to show that there are always some who will always play the race card and is 10 fold in current society. Just as Bernard took exception, so did I with the off-camera psychologist, I suppose she was, asking..."Why these 4 people". Clearly, such a question was designed to initiate some kind of uncontrolled response to manipulate Bernard into saying something racist or that he was looking to take someone out. Bernard answered her question with much more control than I think I would have, as I would have fallen into her trap. It was also particularly frustrating to hear the prosecuting attorney saying that anyone who is NOT a racist, cannot possibly have not found him guilty. Essentially, impugning the jury as idiots or just plain stupid, as to not see that he over reacted to a group of people on the subway.
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Bernard Goetz was about as honest, open and forthcoming as anyone I have ever seen regarding any event. In the end, the one conclusion I was unable to escape was that Bernard was VERY clearly a much different man after that 1st assault and played out ways he would respond differently, should something similar happen again. The psychology he used and broke down to very fine detail, shows that his response to this attack was much more thought out than I believe most people would consider, should they find themselves in the same situation.
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It is not possible to know what would have happened, if he had just given them $5.00, but in my opinion, he was 100% justified in making the first move, so to speak, in defense of his life. What was also telling was the pending cases and current jail time for a couple defendants who testified at the trial. These were career criminals who were no stranger to doing bad things to random people, so they got what such people nearly always get... dying by the sword in which they lived.
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Peace to you, John Daniel :)
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@chocomalk ... Ya, legally, there is probably no distinction, but assassination sounds worse than "just" murder to me. I guess it was the 100% unsuspected nature of it all. Murder seems more befitting of a person in a bank, for instance, that is 1st degree killed to send a message of meaning business by the robbers. On a side note, I keep thinking about all of this is that the defense and EVERYBODY else is perfectly willing to throw "corn rolls guy" under the bus as the actual killer. I am guessing there must be a legal reason why they technically cannot prosecute him for this crime, therefore BOTH would go free or escape death penalty. Not sure why JJ is such a prize and the other guy is worth throwing to the wolves, so to speak.
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On a more lighthearted note, and Sean pointed this out.... the media framing this town at the time of a bunch of white supremacists and racists looking to convict JJ because he is black, but the only other person to blame is ALSO black! The complete lack of ANY intellectual comprehension is beyond words and only a leftist could possibly take this stance, but not given a moments notice to how it looks to the rest of us.
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@senorpepper3405 ... Yup, but in my day, it was the pulling of hair. Now, some pulled VERY hard and occasionally ripped out a lock of it. I am sure there was some torn scalps, just as guys would sometimes break noses or maybe a cheek or something.
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@mazz4149 ... The Progressives (Marxist left of the Democratic party) or Regressives, as I prefer to call them, absolutely want a direct Democracy. Just as we did not need the Surgeon General to officially announce that cigarettes are bad for ones health, to know that they are! Actions speak WAY louder than words and need only look at the failure of the Biden "Build Back Better" bill that failed due to 1 single person... Joe Mansion, according to the Democratic party! No, they conveniently failed to recognize that there are approx 50 other senators who oppose that bill. A "true" Democracy is two wolves and 1 sheep arguing over what is for dinner! That is called TYRANNY and why we have the Electoral College and live under a Constitutional Republic. If not, politicians would ONLY pander to a handful of states and none of them would be in the middle of America.
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I am not saying that all Democrats are Marxist, but the Regressives control their party and they ARE Marxists and absolutely want authoritarian rule. Just look at how ANY conservative values are treated and the MASSIVE censorship by big tech and that Biden admin directly reached out to FB, for example, to crack down on "misinformation". Exactly WHO is entitled to be the Tzar of information...? Fauci & the CDC, when it comes to Covid. This is called authoritarian, as only ONE source of information is acceptable and here we are nearly 2 years into a "10 days to 2 weeks" mask requirement.
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I am not here to say that conservatives or republicans are all virtuous all the time, as that is ridiculous. What we have today is leftists SHOVING their "values" down everyone's throat and need only look at the ongoing attack of JK Rowling for the prime example of how they think. To them, you MUST adhere to the cult doctrine of Marxism or you are not even invited to the celebration event that SHE herself is 100% responsible for creating!
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There are NO ultraconservatives who are influencing anything here. The problem is that the Democratic party has moves SO GD'd far left, that anyone who is to the right of Pelosi, is called alt-right! I could push back on this and give examples all day, but getting off topic here. If we lose the Electoral College America is DONE! We will have lost the greatest avenue for a peoples right to prosperity and happiness the world has ever known. There is a reason why so many people want to live in this country and it sure as hell isn't due to a systemically racist society, the Regressives ABSOLUTELY believe it to be.
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@Neo One ... As Sean mentioned in this video, there are a number of reasons:
1. She is pretty. We can all say how sad it is that we put such a priority of physical appearance to raise her level of importance, but need only look anyone who is used to advertise a product. We are particularly driven by the sight of a pretty person, but most specifically women
2. Lots of video and particularly that of joy: The media LOVES to have new video, as it $ell$ the news to juxtapose many happy "full of life" images, against the idea she has very likely been killed. The media, and by extension, its audience is particularly drawn to this narrative and speaks pretty sadly about both.
3. He returns home alone: Not only that, but he immediately lawyers up, does not say word and later disappears completely.
4. The police made some mistakes: While it can be seen as hindsight to say "she would still be alive, if the police had made arrests and brought them into custody, after being pulled over on the highway", I have heard at least a few legal people say they should have been detained. She would likely be alive, had this been the case, but is easy to say all that now.
5. She was a blogger and documenting here trip: She had posted all of the videos we have seen on social media, so there were many who had a vested interest in what had happened to her. There were LOTS of people talking about it, calling the police with tips and keeping the investigation going, so that helped.
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There are a few other small reasons, but if ALL circumstances were the same and she was considered unattractive, by the standards we hold TV and movie stars, let's say... it would not have gotten this much attention.
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@Jackaroo. ... DING DING DING! The saddest part of all this, is that the "racism" that the activist so vehemently despised, is exactly what is being fostered in the long run. Without a problem, they cannot offer a solution. Since the activist is a hammer in search of a nail, they see a world occupied by 7B+ nails! If we could some how accurately measure the number of ACTUAL white supremacists, by textbook definition, today and then do so AGAIN in 10 years, I guaranfrickingty... that number will be much larger than today. While prejudice will decline under normal circumstance, this continued victimization and the associated open hatred spoken of white people in general, is unquestionably building resentment. Hell, I feel it in my own life and never felt animosity for anyone my whole life. It is increasingly more difficult to take ANY black person's complaint about another's seriously, as so much of what we are told every single day, is proven to be a load of crap, a week later.
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There are many such events, but Juicy played a big part in all this and he is not only black, but gay. This victims mentality of identity politics is poison in every way :(
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Prior to watching this... my $.02. SC handled this poorly. Regardless of HOW horrible he thinks this proposal happens to be, it is exactly that... a proposal. It is a starting point and Steven thought it soo far off the mark, he countered with $30M year, 1 ad per show and guaranteed regardless of being booted or struck from platforms. This is a SPECTACULAR deal for SC, but HORRENDOUS for an employer. Not one person likes it, but so long as YT has 6.5M subs and is 50+% of SC's market, not IF, but "WHEN" he is permanently banned, DW or any employer will instantly lose 6.5M eye balls to the ads that would appear on his show here. Many will go to Rumble and the like, but NOT all and SC's exposure falls dramatically. DW does not like the BS rules of leftist platforms, any more than SC does. However, so long as he HAS to be on them, no employer can guarantee full salary if he is booted. It completely sucks, but nobody on this earth is going to give Crowder that deal.
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SC should go to Rumble, make a deal for a LOT less than he wants, but have the creative freedom. Of course, this makes MC less valuable, so he will lose money there. SC should have kept this private, because it was obvious that DW was the offer he had. SC should have just done a show where he discussed ALL of the issues he had with it, but NOT shown the actual contract and kept it more generic. I love SC, but he made a private deal public.
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@Norma Temp ... My goal was to avoid possibly strawmanning your argument, but since you will not answer a simple question, you give me no option, but to call it as I see it.
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@normatemp2071 ... Imagine that... you have STILL not answered my questions!
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If you wish to have a discussion and one that may convince me of your position, you might begin with that pesky "dialog" thing. You know, this is where you make your case and I make mine and THEN, we address the others position. The reason for this, is to find out if there is anything we are failing to recognize or understand about the events in question. You have made your case that Kyle brought a "killing machine" to another state, in order to claim this somehow changes the equation.
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Let's say he did NOT "cross state lines" and he happened to live in Kenosha. Now tell me, how does THIS change things? Would you now say that Kyle's weapon was NOT a "killing machine"? Would you then recognize that the JR, and the 4 others WERE the aggressors in the subsequent events, some 30 seconds later?
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If the ACTUAL proof of his claim of self-defense by way of the video we all saw is not enough to accept the events as they happened, there is no point in discussion with you. Your mind is unable to accept reality, therefore you make the pointless claim that Kyle is the bad guy here, because he used a "killing machine" and was unable to outrun those who were chasing him.
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What about the "killing machine" that Guage Bye-cep pulled on Kyle? You know, the one that Kyle saw and DID NOT SHOOT, so that he had the opportunity to stand down?
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You do not have a sound position or argument, because you have not presented one. You are lost in how this makes you "feel" rather than objective reality to accept irrefutable fact.
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If you wish to make a case, how about actually doing so, rather than saying "killing machine" and that crossing state lines equal guilty?
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@veganconservative1109 ... I agree. Of course, the berating you and I would get for saying this in open company, is that we want a return of slavery, but for the young as a whole. The problem is ALWAYS, that people think that legislation / laws can be written in such a way, as to eliminate one person taking advantage of another. As anyone with critical thinking skills will tell us, so long as humans exist, there will be a percentage that is malicious and will indeed screw over another... it is literally unavoidable.
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If it ware abolished, there would be a certain degree of chaos, for some period of time, while the market worked it out, but it is best to recognize that it would land close, if not the same, as is currently mandated. It won't go up, because why would it...? It will not likely fall, as this would create a sheet-storm against whomever tried. In the end, not much would change at all, except the feds would have one more manner in which they seek to control private business.... removed from their grubby little laws.
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@InvincibleSol ... OK... than YouTube is NOT a "platform" it is a "publisher". That means, it can be sued for slander, liable and any number of things EXACTLY the same as a news paper.
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Social media needs to make a choice. Are they a "platform" or a "publisher". Section 230 protects them from liable on one end, but they become a "publisher" when they edit content. YouTube, like nearly all of social media, is playing BOTH sides here and we are in the middle.
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@TheJustice35 ... RE: @Brad Miles that's a nice way to say the government.... : While this comment not directed toward myself, specifically... I will throw in my $.02 :)
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I really wish people would stop the following: conflating, straw-manning and intentionally misinterpreting someone, seemingly in order to "score points" or "win" a discussion. I cannot speak for all, but I engage in these discussions, in order to understand not only WHAT another person thinks, but WHY they think it. Sometimes I change peoples minds and sometimes I just seek to give them more to think about, but intellectual honesty and understanding is my PRIMARY goal.
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The feds have FUNDAMENTAL requirement to follow Constitutional law. Written into that Constitution is to ensure that people have the right to "Life, Liberty and pursuit of happiness". Since this is foundational law, it supercedes state laws that would othewise restrict those "natural rights". The "medical procedure" you are referring to as a right, is in DIRECT opposition to the rights of another. Therefore, under the Constitution, one person cannot be granted a right that eliminates another's fundamental or "natural" rights.
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There are exceptions to every rule and one of them relates to capital punishment. This comes back to a person(s) malicious taking of another persons rights and is in all cases that I am aware, the taking of a life. Whether one agrees with Capitol Punishment or not, this is a penalty for violation of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness".
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It is not only a serous leap, but one in bad faith, to equate the concern of taking the life of the unborn, to supporting mask mandates or vaccines. One can argue, and I would make such an argument, that forcing a mask or vaccine DOES violate the principle of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness". This is an entirely different topic, but another that I am deeply passionate about. We'll leave that for another time :)
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@outofcompliance1639 ... I sorta WANT a massive influx of trans into ALL women's sports. Think of it this way, for every time a trans (biological male) <---- God, how insane is it that this actually requires clarification!!!!!?????, enters a "female" area, the culmination will eventually drive those who are indifferent to finally give a sheet. Right now, the gymnastics teams are not worried about it, because of the inherent flexibility of females over males. What if the equivalent to "Rubber Man" declared himself to be trans and started dominating on the parallel bars with like tripple-flips or routinely common quad back-blips on the mat?
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EDIT: After having proof-read my comment, I failed to say how pathetic and weak these trans are to ONLY be competitive in the females arena. How sad is it to be a man that can only gain success by competing against women?
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@Jim87_36 ... There is NO question that the leftist wants those who are NOT leftists removed from the face of the earth. However, the bully ONLY has power, when those who would be victims cower in fear. There is also no question that they have destroyed many, many lives, in pursuit of their virtuous existence, but every single person who stands up and says ... "I WILL NOT COMPLY" breaks their control. Sadly, it takes a hell of a lot of courage for some, as they have families to support, a mortgage / rent to pay and losing their job is seemingly impossible option.
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I don't have an answer for such people, but can most certainly say this. For every single person that DOES comply and bend the knee, empowers more of the same for us all. This is an indisputable fact, so we all need to make a choice of how we want to live.
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@morehorsepower1 ... As Jere-meme said, there is some unknowns about Indian, so it needs to be flushed out first OR the only option left, would be to only buy a used bike. Yes, still have to buy parts and such, but unless that person give up riding completely, there is no other option.
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@hope-cat4894 .. I am absolutely NOT proposing any forced or mandatory behavior of parents by the state, I am only pointing out what we can all clearly see with our own eyes. This is the failure of parents to instill even the most basic values that they themselves, presumably, lived by during their lifetime. What we see is that clearly, they either had very little reason to incorporate those values themselves or they were lazy asses and just expected society, public teachers, nannies, baby sitters and daycare to do it for them. It got especially bad after 3rd wave feminism began telling women they can 'have it all", in the late 60's. Mom's went to work and children were handed off to others in the hopes they would be good people. Sadly... many are not even close and those that ARE bad, shove around those who are not and even MORE end up the same way.
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As they say, one rotten apple ruins the whole bunch!
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@nickgarnero9843 ... Absolutely people are terrified and un-rightfully so! Fear is one of the most consuming emotions and is absolutely more contagious than ANY Covid variant. When a person is a bit scared, but holding it together and then sees someone giving in to the same fear... it is then "validated" to be a worthy fear. Then... one more person sees and another and another and pretty soon we have an orgy of fear porn everywhere you look.
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As for the second part here, people want to believe what they are told and the mainstream media has WAY, WAY, WAY too much influence over what we can see with our own eyes. I think I mentioned it already in this thread, but people WANT to be guided, to give up control and be shown what to do. This sounds crazy, but take a look beyond what is happening in America, which is VERY moderate (NY and some other places not withstanding) compared to Australia and Austria, I think it is. Few like the comparison to "cattle cars" back in the 30's, but I don't know what else to call it, when people just give up their freedom LITERALLY... without even much of an argument. They think this "go away sooner" if they just comply, but we all can see that there IS NO END to this, so long as we have attitudes like that we see from @Midir right here in this thread! Some people believe the state over the reality of what we have been seeing for nearly 2 years now.
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@Flash Out If the "modifying" of this weapon to make it functional when it was NOT at the time of her holding it, that is 100% straight up criminal behavior on the part of prosecutors and throw them in jail.. PERIOD!
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As for the gun being a prop or fake or a cigarette lighter, as some have said, makes no difference in the eyes of the law as it pertains to the "protesters" (violent F'ing mob). Here is an example, If I was to enter a bank with intent to rob it. I brandish a weapon, that is reasonably "believed" to be loaded gun, but is 100% incapable of hurting a fly, the people in front of that gun STILL LEGITIMATELY FEAR FOR THEIR LIVES. While I have have a huge problem with THIS mob of thugs hell bent on destroying the McCloskey property or harming / killing them, the law does not take kindly to pointing a weapon at a group of people. Yes, they were on private property. Yes. it is very reasonable to assume that there is a real danger of harm to the McCloskey's. However, finger on trigger and pointing around at people in crowd, regardless of ACTUAL danger, is bad trigger discipline and she was wrong to do that.
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@jgunther22 ... You are sooooo right, my friend :) There is a severe disconnect between the Democrat who votes to support the Gavin Grewsom's, Nancy Pelosi's, AOC's of this world and much of it is guided by the principle of Orange Man Bad. So long as trump was AGAINST something, they had better be for it. However, this is not about Trump, this is about the leftists who seek to LITERALLY destroy all that the Western World has built, in order to start a new from the ashes. Of course, their is no "plan" to create this utopia, except the idea that it will just magically pop up when all else is gone. They have no idea that once you take all of this away, we WILL have full anarchy and violence against each other this world has not seen in many thousands of years.
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@Bradley_Lute ... I don't care if Lia is a "committed" trans or an impostor / poser. Lia's body is THAT OF A MALE and therefore, has a massive advantage over those with whom competing. I have ZERO issues with any adult deciding to do ANYTHING with their body, for any reason, so long as it does not endanger other bodies. Say, set themselves on fire within a crowded building or drive 100 MPH through a down town street. A person can take all of the testosterone or estrogen he / she wants, provided that person is the age of consent... 18. I will not nor would not harass, bully, threaten or in any way attempt to cause any harm whatever to such person and would gladly share a beer and talk about whatever the hell we wanted to for any reason.
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My problem is NOT with Lia being tans, it is being a biological male competing against biological females and destroying girls dreams, because Lia cannot cut it on the men's team. I would be 100% willing to bet that Lia would be able to compete on a male swim team. No doubt, there would be some who would oppose it, but would NOT be for having an unfair advantage over the others, as Lia most CERTAINLY does in female swim teams. Lia is absolutely mopping the field in female swim competitions and was WAY, WAY, WAY below such position in the male swim team.
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Now, you tell me honestly... does this sound like it is fair to the female swim team? Seriously, please make the argument that this is fair to these girls? Now, that said, there is NO QUESTION that Lia is in a very difficult position, assuming that this there is not deception and is, let's say "authentic" trans. No question that this sucks for Lia, in such a case. However, Lia is FORCING girls that have just as much right to compete OUT of the running, simply by virtue of competing in their events. There is no good answer for the authentic trans who want to compete, but Lia's right to swim should NOT trump the girls right to have fair and honest competition between themselves.
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@theworld6710 ... Yes. As I have said above in multiple comments, Title IX was NEVER designed to punish men's sports, but due to the specifics of how it was written and the VERY bad actors who gamed the loopholes, there was some who said..."if women can't have a sport, men can't have one".
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I get that it was striving for equal access and support of women's athletics (I am NOT a scholar on this legislation), but nowhere does it say..."if there are not enough women to create a league, facilities to support a women's division or maybe separate fields to enable such a division... we must ELIMINATE the men's division as punishment".
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NO... that is not what it says and never what it was intended to do. Of course, those who are going after this law specifically now, having been in place for 50+ years, is NOTHING but a distraction from what we face today. The most important thing the legislation did, was create a SEPARATE division and private spaces intended to fill the specific needs of females in our society.
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Yet here some of them are, talking about how the foundation of the house needs to be repaired, while the 2nd GD'd story of that house, is engulfed in flames! No doubt, that Title IX can use some tweaking to address those "loopholes", but since it is federal law that is being VIOLATED by multiple states, we certainly have MUCH higher priorities at the moment.
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Even if it were tweaked again today, it would be FAR worse, because Democrats would allocate 90% of the funds go to gender studies in Poland and create an LGB museum in Venezuela!
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@axe-z8316 ... Seems you perpetuated the sin of wrong think by mentioning the "I" word in your comment and was deleted by the wonderful anti-authoritarian folks at YT... ya, that was sarcasm :) Maybe if you did a bit more research, you would realize that the "I" word has been used to treat several human diseases / illnesses and actually received a Nobel Peace Prize back in 2015 and has been shown to be to some degree effective with the current death virus that will most certainly claim every life on earth eventually... ya, that was more sarcasm. While I am not saying that such an award is the be-all end all of recognition, it has been used in humans / animals for 6 decades. So you may continue to drink your water as a treatment and hope that it works for you... heartfelt.
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Beyond that point, my notification of your comment runs out of characters it displays, but since your comment has been deleted, I cannot see what it was you said after ..."10 glasses of water". Please, re-post your comment, but avoid using the "I" word this time, as that is VERY likely the reason your comment was deleted.
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NOTE: Welcome to the world of censorship I deal with nearly every day, when using words that our YT overlords have deemed "misinformation". Those that write the algorithm to delete such comments happen to know more about Covid than doctors who were, in-part, LITERALLY the creators of this particular vax treatment process. Uh oh.. there I go with that darned sarcasm again... my bad!
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@AGJ117 ... My point in saying I have rap / hip hop CD's, was merely to point out that you are stereotyping everyone in this thread as haters and completely tribal in their thinking. I can see with the comment above, you have continued with the exact same thinking and still without any evidence to support your argument. I say again, where / when did ANYONE in this thread express in even the slightest way that did we "trash newer artists" or would be down on her had she said.."we should all get the vaccine" and exactly what in the hell does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
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As for praising or condemning Cardie B. over her stance on vaccine, you have absolutely ZERO clue how any of us feels about the vaccine, as you are the ONLY one to even mention it! This thread began with my expression of how leftists deny evidence of guilt or hypocrisy that is right in front of their face. Cardie B. pointed out a perfect example of which I have mentioned myself many times over the last year plus. Joy Reid released a Tweet, back when Trump was president condemning the entire process of a vaccine and those who would oversee its development and approve of its use for humans. THEN.... not 1 year later, Joy is talking about how death is near complete certainty if one does NOT take that VERY SAME vaccine she railed against a year earlier.
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Now, I will not argue that this vaccine was rushed, due to overwhelming fear of death and mainstream media plays a HUGE role in why people feel this way. However, by all accounts, this vaccine is very effective and does not seem to have any side effects that cannot be expected to be found in any vaccine. There are always going to be some adverse reactions, but it is reasonable to assume there may be less of them had the vaccine gone through the more rigorous testing that most do prior to widespread release.
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Each of your comments above have been complete leaps of how you think each of us in this thread feels, but is without any comment or evidence to support it. This is not a court of law, but for gosh sakes, you are assuming we are nothing more than tribal automatons who just spout the party line. I realize that there are some that do exactly that, but anyone who would do so, is an ideologue. So far, you Ag, are the ONLY one here who may fall into this camp. I cannot speak for anyone else in this thread, but I am not tribal in my support for the GOP. I am best described as a moderate conservative, but mostly libertarian in my political affiliation. That is because I happen to align with basic principles of the GOP and most certainly break from them when my principles conflict with the "party line". I have a LOT more to say on that subject, but I am taking us off topic here and do apologize for it :)
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Look, you have no doubt seen people critical of Cardie B. and probably many are ONLY aware of "WAP" and those more controversial songs / statements / appearances she has made. OK... let's say that is true, it is YOU who have come into this thread and exposed yourself as EXACTLY what you are purporting the rest of us to be... tribal! How I feel about "all things Cardie B." is 100% irrelevant to how I see THIS particular act. It is quite rare that a darling of the left actually criticizes another on the left, as the fear of cancellation / ostracizing is ever present. We have seen leftists* and Joy Reid is most certainly such a person, who have completely turned on their own for the crime of "wrong think" and Dave Rubin is a textbook example of exactly that. He was cancelled a couple years ago, because he dared have Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson as interview guests and has been 100% ostracized by left-leaning media ever since. There are ZERO left-leaning media that will have an interview or take a statement from him directly.
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@Dispatcher ... I was a plumber for my entire career. There was MANY times, that thieves would enter a construction yard at night and and cut ALL of the electrical wiring (this is ALL copper material within the sheathing) and also cut out all of the copper water piping. This means, that there is going to be a MASSIVE pile of very small sections of copper plumbing pipe and wire, because it is all fitted in place and there are 16" gaps between the structural studs in the framing of walls. So, thieves would bring this pile of BRAND NEW super-shiny sub-two foot sections of plumbing pipe and maybe several foot length BRAND NEW electrical wiring as well. Took a while, but since this costs many thousands of $$$ to repair, the city finally started sending police to scrap yards and finding HUGE piles of this new wire and plumbing that was sold to the scrap guy. Since it was obviously all BRAND NEW material, it was only reasonable to conclude it was stolen. The city began putting pressure on the junk dealers that if such material was found, THEY would be prosecuted.
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@NwoDispatcher ... wait... did I say "hot"? Apparently I did... lol. Yes, "hot" refers to stolen. There is BIG money in clean copper, at least there was at the time some 25 years ago, so people would go into entire home development areas and strip them of electrical wire and plumbing materials for probably a $200. The cost to have the contractors come BACK and replace it all again, is often many, many thousands of $$$. The time it takes to cut it all out vs. the time it takes to measure, cut and assemble again is light years apart.
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In contrast, when my guys cut out old copper lines for replacement, upgrades and such, we had a large steel can in which a scrap guy would come by and buy it from us then take it to a recycle place and sell it to them. We would have at solid 2 hundred lbs. of copper, aluminum that was "dirty", so not nearly as valuable, and would get like $50 for that barrel. When those scrap dealers get a huge load of BRAND NEW copper / aluminum scrap, it is very obvious that it was 99% likely to be stolen or "hot" .. lol 🐈⬛
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ThePorcupineCondition ... Seems you and I define "worst President of all time" in very different ways. Seems to me it was Trump, who banned CRT and one of the first things Biden did, was overturn it. Trump wanted to stop international flights from China to US on Jan. 9th, 2020 to get control of Covid spread to US soil and he was called xenophobic and racist (anti-Asian) for his trouble. 1 month later, Pelosi was standing in a MASSIVE crowd of Chinatown, San Francisco, saying... "come on down and celebrate" . Of course, there were no mask mandates at the time, because the first official Covid death in US was not until March 2nd or 3rd, two weeks later. By April, the Democrats were ALL saying that they were trying to get Trump to act on Covid in the first 2 weeks of Jan. 2020. Take a look at the timeline above which is IRREFUTABLE and tell me how the Democrats are re-writing history and the mainstream media just lets it slide. Exactly how many wars were started by Trump when he was in office...? Oh, i'll tell you.... EXACTLY ZERO! How was the economy going while Trump was President.... best in like 40 years. Who was the very first president to enter office and be pro gay marriage.... Trump was.
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@EmoDKTsuchiya ... That is an element for sure. However, I have never gone to church, read the bible or followed any faith, yet my parents raised me with the values laid out in the Ten Commandments. It would be simply impossible for even have a passing thought of running a person over with my car, as these thugs did.
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Obviously, false claims will still happen, but the only way to legally combat them, is to punish those who perpetuate them. When a false claim receives the same punishment of the claim itself, we WILL see less of them made. If we had some of these accusers, we can point to a certain AH, several months back, it would go a long way to limit the number of those who make false claims. There will still be some, but it would not take very many for lawyers to better vet their clients account of events, before launching a massive lawsuit against someone.
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You and I are on the same page, but such things as this happen, when writing on blogs and social media. Peace, Muda T 🐈⬛
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@cainabel615 ... I hear you, but I told myself long ago, that I would do my best to not only understand, but be understood AND learn where / how I can do better myself. I am not perfect and I don't have all the answers and I absolutely have learned a TON of things, by speaking with those whom challenge my opinions.
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Of course, since I pride myself on my ability to critically think, I have spent many, many years fine tuning my positions and, with the vast majority of them, reached a point where I have thought this stuff through extremely well.
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It is clear that this person fails to understand why raising minimum wage, depending on how much, can be absolutely DEVASTATING to everyone in that society. There are many things not taught in our "education" system today and the one thing the Marxists NEVER want.... "critical thinkers". Critical thinking is the absolute enemy of socialism and I will continue to shed light on those who are trapped in Marxist bubble of evil.
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@MosseChoker ... Since when was a minimum wage job designed to be enough money to pay for all you mentioned...? ummm...NEVER! They are designed for the first time work of a child (possibly supplemental income) for who has not yet left home and support most of the things they would want to do.
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If one does not have enough skills to move beyond such employment, it is not societies responsibility (the taxpayer) to increase that minimum wage, so that you or anyone else can pay rent or mortgage, car payments, food and all the rest.
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Now, we are unusually complicated by inflation, due to EXTREMELY poor fed govt. spending, but we cannot "spend" our way out of it, via taxpayer dollars. 100% of al of us has felt the burn of increased costs all over the place, so in such a case, a minimum wage job may be just the thing for that supplemental income mentioned already.
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@amibrainwashed ... There were precisely ZERO kids who did anything like this when I was a kid, nearly 59 now. Very rarely one would hear about similar, but while this is horrendous behavior, it was only in a handful of traditionally Democrat hell-holes that had been getting worse for years. Detroit, Chicago and once in a while areas of NY. What we see here is a complete abandon of the most basic of Western World values by a VERY large portion of the last 3 generations. They allowed their children to be raised by public schools, nannies, daycare, baby sitters, TV and the worst of them all... the internet. These are 14 yo old kids, who VERY likely were handed a weapon by a late teen thug. We know the weapon failed, so we can all hope that if this WAS the case, maybe that kid intentionally gave that kid an empty or defective one. Regardless, we now have bus drivers that are legitimately terrified to drive those buses again, for a VERY real fear of retaliation.
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@bluepinkman4488 ... Sadly, we are both correct :( For the life of me, I fail to grasp how someone gets to the point, or rather "lives" to the point at which this seemed like the smart play. Not only to catastrophically over-react to an very common incorrect order at a fast-food place, but then to brandish a weapon, rather than just ask to have it corrected. On top of that, he sits outside and waits for them to fix his order, when a complete IDIOT knows that the cops are on the way.
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There is really only one explanation I can think of here... death by cop and go out in a blaze of glory! Clearly this guy had some very serious mental issues going on, as he chooses to have both of his very young children there to see it all go down. One has to hate life to such a degree, as to be indifferent to his children likely watch their father die in a brutal way.
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@pariah_carey ... Well said, Ms. Pariah :) What so many people just don't understand, in relation to colleges / universities, is how Affirmative Action causes MUCH more harm than good, but not only for the reason you mentioned. When a person, race has zero to do with it, gets into a school / job / promotion that was not earned, he / she is much more likely to fail, because that person does not usually have the skills necessary to fill that position. So, many who have a much higher SAT score are denied access, only to let those who get an artificial boost in their score so they can attend under Affirmative Action (institutionalized... AKA systemic racism). Many of those "gifted" with such access are unable to succeed or at least thrive, so they are MUCH more likely to drop out only to feel worse about themselves for having failed. Care to take a guess who make up the largest number of people in this category...? You guessed it, blacks! Now, had these students been accepted in a less rigorous college, they would be FAR more likely to thrive and later go onto higher education and be ready for it.
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So the very thing that was designed SPECIFICALLY to help blacks, is more often than not, causing them to fail and make all of the cultural issues that hold back the black community even worse. The idea of Affirmative Action was a good one, but it was not only implemented incorrectly, but those training wheels should have been removed decades ago!
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PS> Love the name, BTW!
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@gastronomist ... he he :) OK, makes sense now. I did not make the connection to Daily Wire... lol Ya, I won't make excuses for someone complaining, but it is exceedingly difficult to be a conservative in media these days and not point out all of the ills thrust upon our nation by the leftists. With all of the values and ideals under full-assault by the SJW's, the Dem's and mainstream mediocre, I sometimes feel like guy in a carnival game in which I am on one side of the room and there are 15 people on the other all throwing baseballs at my head! Spending all this energy trying to get out of the way and unable to go on the offensive to actually stop the madness.
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I am not in media, but I am a libertarian / conservative and everything I hold dear is under attack right now and I am nearly powerless to do anything about it. I have become mod of Unsafe Space and has given me an outlet to speak to a live chat audience and been reaching out to build that audience further. There are an INSANE amount of people who are pushing back against an INSANELY few amount of people currently rampaging our cities. Of course, the Marxist scholastic institutions are the ones who indoctrinated them with hatred of all those things I hold dear, but that is in many ways the much bigger issue than the violence in our streets.
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I am not at all downplaying that violence, but unless we get rid of those that have been indoctrinating our youth, the cycle will continue on or just repeat itself in the future :(
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@MorteWulfe ... Looks like I misspelled it... lol :) My comment has nothing to do with whether Sean is right or wrong... it has to do with people who base their opinion on ANOTHER'S opinion. This guy didn't go look at Sean's video himself, he looked at Vaush's video, which stripped ALL of the context out of Sean's reasoning and, and then proceeded to be critical of Sean saying he doesn't know what he is talking about. WTF? If this person wants to know what Sean ACTUALLY said and understand WHY he said it, he needs to look at the un-edited original video. Now, if he has a bone to pick with Sean at that point... fine. I may or may not agree with his conclusion, but at least he would have been intellectually honest arriving at it.
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When this is the manner in which one derives what Sean is believed to have said, it is no wonder communication with an ideologue is impossible. Based on how he views conservatives, it is no wonder why we are demonized to a never ending degree. Ideologues live within an information bubble, and rather than seek out what is true or correct, they look for whatever supports the existing confirmation bias. That is what I was is wrong with this guys critique :)
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@es83stevenson88 ... Like our man Ben Shapiro says... "Facts don't care about your feelings" :)
Storytime, with the Lil' Ninja: About 1 hour ago, my phone rang and answer machine had one of those voting promotion calls and was from conservative party (as I am registered that way) and sounded like a LIVE person. Sure enough, we spent literally 1/2 hour on the phone and we were on the exact same page on EVERYTHING. While I do everything I can to NOT be within an echo chamber with news and such, I cannot say how pleasant it was to not get ANY disagreement on anything. She and I are both moderate conservatives who want sane Democrats and GOP to not be dominant in any branch and actually work together, so that America gets to have open debate, dialog and comes to a decision that is a fair compromise for a good path forward. Oh, she told me of a press conference at 1PM (PST) with Larry, but no idea the channel or station, but likely on Fox.
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@emberfist8347 .... While it was not a house I would have likely considered condemned, via the image we saw, the house they tore down was in a pretty higher developed area. I was in the construction business for 35 years and have been to a TON of homes that were worthy of demo and not look like it from outside. Once you go in, you see gross neglect of all surfaces, mold, rodents and such, that tell the story. These guys DID go into the home to confirm it was empty and disconnect electrical / gas appliances, prior to tearing down. My issue is that once inside, not one of them saw enough red flag to make a phone call. Tearing down a home is not the job of high school kids, this takes a certain level of engineering knowledge and approach, so as not to risk surrounding properties and such. Mistakes happen, but these workers were just not thinking here.
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Coming up @00:4:00 mark, Sam says that anyone taking cues from Trump is dangerously out of context with reality. While I agree that Trump could be doing a better job on this, as the leader of the most powerful nation on earth, if he was to say what SAM IS SAYING here, we would have a massive panic on our hands. Trump cannot hold a press conference and say.... "avoid all social gatherings, don't go to school and avoid all human contact" as this nation would freak out!. The stock market would do into a total dive and the economy would tank and other nations would follow suit. We would have not only a global health concern, but a global economic crisis as well. ANY president who did the above is going to be a punching bag by 1/2 the population of this world, regardless of how they felt about him or one day, her.... prior to such a health crisis.
I don't have all the answers and I certainly wish Trump would just shut the hell up and let his heath administration people handle everything. I wish he would just wait until advised by people who are in the business of public heath prior to saying anything. That being said, a president, no matter the party, will always have a difficult time with a world-wide viral outbreak, such as we have today.
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The news by absolute definition is fact. If someone is covering news, they are required under the guise of ethics to give the events as they happen or happened. There is obviously going to be some bias, as it is impossible to remove it from the description of events, but what is supposed to be "facts" become "opinion" and the mainstream media of today do not distinguish between the two.
They see an event and just let their own point of view tell the story to the listener / reader. When this happens, it is no longer news , it is opinion and the political left owns like 90% of the news outlets. Take my mom, for a perfect example of the disservice to the "news" industry. She doesn't know the vast majority of what is really happening, because if it does not fit the lefts narrative, they don't cover it or spin the crap out of it to fit their agenda. One does not even have to know what happened, to see the extreme bias, but too many prefer to live in a bubble of an echo chamber, so refuse to acknowledge they are being deceived.
The news IS supposed to just give the facts of an event to allow the listener to decide for his / herself. This means that doing their job of reporting "news" makes them watchdogs.
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@Don ... it is not "communists" that we fear, it is communism! It is the implementation of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" that is the true enemy of us all. While this may sound like a good idea, it is the state enforcement of one person to support another without consent. Since there is always going to be a VERY high percentage of people, myself among them, who will not abide by such tyranny, there is ALWAYS a catastrophic loss of life in such societies. The state has ZERO choice but to separate those who would not willingly participate in a communist system and those people ALWAYS end up dead. This serves 2 functions and both are necessary to enable it to work.
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The first is the state cannot and will not accept things like free speech and citizens who own guns. This is why Nazi Germany became a fascist state, as you cannot control a public that has the means to fight back with deadly weapons. The second issue is the number of people who fit into each of the "ability" or "needs" category". Easiest way to understand is a small group, which is really the ONLY way communism can work and with the agreement of all those involved. Say 10 people decide all by themselves to live as a communist society and you have 1 each of the following: 1 farmer, 1 car mechanic, 1 teacher, 1 electrician, 1 plumber, 1 engineer, 1 doctor, 1 house builder, 1 banker and 1 tailor. If each person is willing to live under "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", it works pretty well.
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This is why the gulag was created and why people "mysteriously" vanish one day, never to be heard from again in a communist state.
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EDIT: I have since read many additional comments by you in this thread, I had NOT read until this comment was created. While I did not apply serious consideration to each and every other comment by you, nor reply by others, it would appear that you either play the same word games or have FALLEN for the word games by Marxists. Regardless of which is more accurate, it seems clear that you are OK or support this admin and Marxism as a rule. This makes you incompatible with the values upon which this nation was founded and will find yourself at serious odds with the overwhelming number of people in this country who will ABSOLUTELY not stand for a Marxist or communist utopia. I would urge you to read up on the history of communism and what it does to the societies in which it is practiced forced upon a nations people!
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@Don ... so you left one echo chamber, but did you enter another...? Both are a problem, because honest dialog cannot exist in a vacuum. While both are bad, it is the left that controls all of the major mediums in which information is disseminated (Google, YouTube, Twitter, FB, IG, TikTock) and the echo chamber of the left is forced upon the rest of us. I have been censored probably 100 times for saying things that are 100% protected by 1a, but defy the leftist cult of ideology. Since the Overton window has moved to the VERY far left, those who are moderate or even center-left are considered alt-right. Sadly, the endless screams of the leftists claiming the growing number of alt-right extremists is growing are actually correct. Not because of anything I say or even defend, but because not only the definition of "alt-right" now includes those who are centrist, but because of things like "those who identify as a woman, are allowed to enter a female space". We have males who identify as female entering women's sporting events and winning the overwhelming amount of competitions. Walking around in ladies dressing & locker rooms displaying the full male anatomy, because they "identify" as a woman and the law has been manipulated to allow it. If anyone thinks that this is not going to lead to a CATASTROPHIC backlash and MAJOR amount of people who will unfairly become VERY anti-gay and homophobic, they are deluding themselves. This is sad, because it is NOT the LGBTQ community who are arguing for this, it is the leftist activist and they DO NOT speak for about 98% of that community.
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I have been called a right-wing extremist on many occasions, because anyone to the right of Nancy Pelosi is considered right-wing. Me, for example, am a very moderate libertarian / conservative, who is just fine with gay marriage and becoming trans AFTER the age of 18. I am about as free-speech absolutist as anyone would ever meet and so long as what you do does not infringe on my rights, I could not care less what 2 consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home. Now, don't take that on the street or teach it in classrooms and I am gonna want parents to be involved with the curriculum. I believe slavery and Jim Crow laws should be taught in schools, am 100,000,000,000% against ANY Marxist interpretation of CRT or identity based hierarchy indoctrination of victim hood status in our public schools. Now, if such information, not indoctrination, is made available, but NOT REQUIRED, in post high school education, I am 100% fine with that.
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While I am as anti communism, socialism, Marxism as ANYONE you will ever meet, I absolutely want people to understand what these ideologies are about. They should learn the theory behind them, as well as the ramifications of those societies who have lived under such ideologies.
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Sowwy... got a little side-tracked there... lol :)
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HEY, YOUTUBE EMPLOYEE WHO INSTANTLY HIDES MY COMMENTS FROM VIEW... HERE IS AN IDEA, "TALK TO ME". YUP, THAT'S RIGHT, HOW ABOUT YOU REPLY TO SOME OF MY COMMENTS AND PUSH BACK ON ME? IT IS CALLED ENGAGING IN CONVERSATION, SO THAT YOU MAY LEARN WHY IT IS I FEEL AS I DO AND IN TURN, I WILL LEARN WHY YOU FEEL AS YOU DO. I HAVE ENGAGED IN MANY HUNDREDS OF CONVERSATIONS HERE AND EACH ONE OF THEM IS IN GOOD FAITH. I DO NOT ALWAYS AGREE WITH OTHERS, BUT I WILL ALWAYS LISTEN AND WILL OWN IT IF I AM WRONG OR HE / SHE MAKES A GOOD POINT. JUST SITTING BACK AND HIDING BEHIND THE ALGORITHM YOU HAVE WRITTEN TO PUNISH ME, DOES ABSOLUTELY ZERO TO CONVINCE ME OF ANYTHING, EXCEPT THAT YOU FEAR TO ACTUALLY STAND UP FOR YOUR IDEAS AND BELIEFS.
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IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY TO ME... SAY IT! HIDING IN THE SHADOWS AND MAKING SURE NOBODY SEES MY COMMENTS DOES NOT CHANGE MY MIND, IT ONLY TELLS ME THAT YOU ARE UNWILLING TO STAND UP FOR WHAT IT IS YOU BELIEVE. YOU HAVE OTHERED ME, AS IF I AM A BAD PERSON, BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I SAY NOR WHOM I SUBSCRIBE. YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO ELSE DID PRECISELY THAT?
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.... ADOLPH HITLER!
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@johnd1727 ... Well, masks are not THAT useless, but since most people fail to wear them even close to correctly, it is not very far off. The M-95 is the only one that I know of that is readily available that is fine enough to stop the Covid spores. Of course, this means it is more restrictive to breathing, so as soon as one steps up the heart rate.... that mask starts to become a problem. My fave is when it is under the nose or cut from a T-shirt or one person who had one crafted from yarn... lol.
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Beyond even all this is that this person, not a few minutes prior, was not wearing the mask and rubbed their eyes, scratched nose or wiped mouth then touched every door knob, turn-style a bunch of items all over the store after pushing the shopping cart all over the place. Never in human history has such a CATASTROPHIC over-reaction been done to what was known VERY early on to be of limited life threatening, to anyone NOT of significantly older age or co-morbidity issues that are bad for ones health regardless.
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I could go on with all the things we already know, but ultimately.... this was about control!
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@M1N0rZ1rC0N ... As I said, I was never a follower of basketball, but i you think that LeFlop is no better than your average "ball bouncer" on the court, you are simply not paying any attention.
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I can separate, respect for his play, from respect for him. I had no particular respect for him , but anyone who cannot or refuses to recognize his INSANE physical ability on the BBall court, is delusional. While I was neutral on respect for him as a person, after the things I have seen him say, and the CATASTROPHIC ignorance about politics, he has dug himself a hole from which he can never climb out, as far as I am concerned.
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@GhostOfBillCooper .... OK. I saw your video LINK, thank you :)
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This does indeed differ from my understanding from other research I have done (a local report from LA News outlet and Sean's video here. which was edited for YouTube age restriction). It is clear from this video, which I have not seen before just now, he does throw, what can only be reasonably assumed to be the gun.
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That said, I have to also must consider several other factors:
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1. We are seeing a different angle than officers. I am not saying the cops could not see what we did, but there is a lot to process in that 3 seconds.
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2. The police KNOW they are chasing a suspect that is armed and into an area, in which he is cornered. Since he did not just drop his weapon, it is only reasonable he is seeking cover and shoot at them. Now, if he did not know these were cops, and I they did give commands, per witnesses other than his friend, but did not realize these were cops, than the only reasonable consideration, is that he WAS going to shoot back from behind the cars.
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3. When the cops are chasing him, they are specifically watching his right hand, because they can see the weapon in it. When he turns to the left to throw weapon, it is at THAT EXACT moment, the reasonable consideration is that he will CONTINUE to rotate around to the left and shoot back at them.
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I get that they likely SAW the gun go flying out of his hand, but what the eye sees, cannot be processed in that literal "blink of an eye" amount of time. In other words, 2 nano seconds AFTER the officer shot him with that fatal wound, he was able to process that gun being thrown over the car.
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It takes a literal fraction of a second to continue rotating and shoot back, so the INSTANT he began to swing his arm around his body... the cop shoots. We also need to consider adrenaline is flowing HARD and they are also keeping an eye on BOTH suspects, because it is not unreasonable to figure they are both armed. We see the other guy hold his hands up, but again... AFTER his friend is shot and on the ground.
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This video is also pixilated, so maybe the a gun is visible and something else was thrown. This would be EXTREMELY unlikely he had switched the gun we SAW with drugs or something, but it is also EXTREMELY unlikely he would toss the gun and not just drop the gun and throw hands in the air. If he thought they were NOT cops, he would NEVER toss his gun, because they could not possibly be anything but VERY bad intentions, as they are chasing him with guns of their own.
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@lds_drive ... Yes. I understood that you said it was not the gun, but silly me... I failed to read "casing" when you spelled "chasing"... dummy kitty, I am...lol
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OK... I just watched the unedited video again and can see now, that had he thrown a gun, it would have been CLEARLY visible, so my bad for not catching that the first time. NO WAY that was a gun, but I still find it odd that he then must have had 2 things in his right hand, so why would he bother to throw a shell casing and why did he have one?
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I have several things that still don't make sense, but too much verbiage to lay them all out, when we will find out in the next day or so anyway.
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PS> Is it possible he fired the gun at cops, but WANTED to claim he had not, because cops would be unable to find a discharged shell? Would he have been able to "catch" it as ejected at that moment?
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I get that people have some questions about this, but the video is 90% conclusive he was legit shot. YES... I have seen Donut Operator and he has done some great breakdowns, so I will keep this in mind, thanks :)
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@barret-xiii ... Agreed, but that is the crazy thing. There is nothing to be done, but praise him for dong a wonderful thing for others. Of course, unless an act is 100% TRULY altruistic, in every possible way and not something the cult declares should be for free, then this is the act of a bad person.
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@senorpepper3405 ...Yes! I recall a video about 4 years ago and was a young child, like 8 yo or something and wearing a "dark pink baseball hat with 4 letters upon it". This probably 20 yo woman, knocked it off his head and the mother saw it and I think just a stranger, who also took issue with it. She was screaming (TDS rants) and appoached him and was absolutely going for his eyes. She had fingers extended and was playing the "you can't hit me because I am a girl" card. Well, while he only pushed her away, he was clearly a lot stronger, but she got close enough, that had she hit her mark, he VERY easily could have lost an eye.
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@mazz4149 .. Maz... not quite understanding you here, can you clarify for me? :) What America was founded upon, is a democratic Republic, but the Regressives want a "true" Democracy. That is because they have a majority in all 3 branches, so they are perfectly fine shoving tyranny down the throats of the rest of us. However, they completely fail to recognize that one day, hopefully VERY soon, that balance is going to shift BACK to conservatives. If the conservatives acted as the Regressives are RIGHT NOW, they would be screaming from the top of their lungs about how "authoritarian" rule. Of course, this is EXACTLY what they have right now, but are too damned stupid to grasp how evil it is. They feel as though they occupy the "moral high ground and conservatives are quite literally evil to the core, so they have no guilt forcing their Marxist agenda on everyone else.
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@Kthb80 ... RE: I just checked : Interesting! I wonder if there are some behind the scenes negotiation with Neil to "quietly" leave his content on the site. The hypocrisy that Neil has shown here is truly next level, so he may be rethinking his ultimatum. After all, it is not like Neil Young's music is in high rotation of today's Top 10 countdown lists... lol.
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The whole thing is just sad to me :( Joe Rogan has done NOTHING wrong and should never have apologized for it. Neil Young was VERY much a player in the free speech, anti-war, anti-establishment era of '60's. Yet here he is without ANY understanding of what transpired on Joe's podcasts, calling for him to lose everything. It will take historians, philosophers and scholars many, many years to get their heads around what has transpired in the last 6 or 7. Sure, they will point to the Marxism that Joseph McCarthy warned us all about, but they will shake their heads as to how this path was ultimately taken by so VERY FEW and caused CATASTROPHIC damage to the entirety of the Western World.
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While Joseph McCarthy was an evil man, in how he persecuted those he deemed communists, one thing can be said with complete certainty... "he was right about a communist threat"!
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It is all by design. Gen Z is the 3rd FULL generation raised by overwhelmingly Marxist infiltrated public schools and critical thinking is 100% verboten. When critical thinking is not only avoided in the curriculum, but is actively discouraged, so public "education" has churned out the following. Those who were told WHAT to think, rather than HOW! This was a perfect storm, because at the same time, parents were busy seeking to have a Summer home, a boat, a dedicated car for getaways and a nicer home than their neighbor. They UTTERLY failed their children, but allowing them to be raised by public "schools", daycare, nannies, baby sitters, TV and the creme, de-la-creme of horrendous tutors.... the internet!
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@funstuffonthenet5573 ... Yes, of course. That line, is an exact quote of what feminists would tell young girls, back in the early 70's. There was this HUGE push to get women to enter work force and "compete" with the men to have those jobs to break the traditional considerations of "have children and be supported by a husband". Those feminists would say that this is being subservient to males and disrespectful / oppressive / misogynist, so they can climb the corporate ladder, not get married AND be a mother, if they chose.
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There was this idea that "men have it all", because the were seen as creating a "glass ceiling" in work places, have children AND make plenty of money, while the wives were kept to clean the home, raise the kids, make him dinner when he got home and to share herself, whenever he desired. No question, that men need to take a larger roll in taking are of those things, but feminists told women, and are MUCH more influential on social media, that "women don't need no man". Well, if they want to raise a healthy, well-balanced child with values that work in the traditional West... they MUST have the burden of sole income lifted.
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@jordansean6986 .... There is not just a reluctance to hold PoC accountable for anything, but it even goes beyond an irrational fear of it. We have all seen countless situations where a PoC is pointing a gun, physically assaulting another, seriously resisting arrest or just being a general POS to everyone in the area and the leftist is like ... "meh, whatevs". If one takes only a few seconds to grasp the context of nearly 100% of the blacks shot and killed by white police, it is EXTREMELY obvious that it was not only completely justified, but exposed no racial motivations and the suspect was 100% responsible for the ENTIRE scenario, yet sad that this person had to die.
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Of course, in the world we have today, where the leftist controls all the means of disseminating information, the accusation is ALL that is necessary to completely control the narrative. Need only look at Brett Cavanaugh, George Floyd or ANY PoC killed by a white officer and the instant determination, is GUILTY! When we have justice at the hands of mob rule, we don't have justice... we have tyranny by those who seek nothing more than political power!
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@glennaddison2745 ... lol :) Ya. I had initially just ignored phases' last query of how has he been intellectually dishonest and left it at that and let this thread fall gently into my past... lol. However, just this morning, I decided that I should follow my OWN rule and continue to engage, so as to forever attempt to reach those who think as phase does. He / she is articulate and obviously considers what it is that he / she is saying, but is also woefully ignorant on all three of those featured in this video.
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So, I actually came back here to find there had been multiple others whom phases attempted to convince of the ineptitude, malice or otherwise idiocy of Bret, Heather & JBP. Upon reading all the subsequent responses, since I was last here, decided to just not bother. Phases is so consumed by the ideological or even pathalogical hatred toward these people with whom he /she disagrees or takes issue, that there is no way to reach any kind of common ground in this context. The never ending straw-man and stripping of context from which all of his / her conclusions are founded upon, this cannot be done anywhere, but in actual person.
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I would be more than happy to have that conversation, but it simply cannot be had here. I have continued to stand by my willingness to forever engage with others to have that "intellectually honest" conversation, but alas... I can make a case for where this person is way off base, I cannot make that person listen when eyes are closed with hands over the ears.
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@phasespace4700 ... Think I'd better just crawl back unto the corner from whence I came, curl up into a fetal position and make that call to mommy for help. Much of what is so sad here, is the old adage... "its not what you say, it is how you say it". There is no reasoning with you, there is no nuance... there is only your aggressively negative opinion spewed at all who have expressed appreciation for what these 3 have and continue to offer them. This, BTW, differs from literally millions, if not hundreds of millions, of people who have been to their lectures, talks, seen interviews and conversations, watched their podcasts, engaged in thoughtful discussion or attended academic courses to learn some of what they have to say and the knowledge they have acquired and the experiences shared throughout their lives.
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You speak through arrogance and aggression toward those who see value in what 3 three bring to this world. You disagree... I get that and is fine. However, you came into this thread with your vile negative attitude that those of us already here must now contend. You're welcome here, just as we all are. You are welcome to your opinion, just as we all are. However, your linguistic attempts to convince others to feel or believe as you do, need some refinement.
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Continue with this, as you must, but know this. I not only disagree with your assessment, I will neither cite "sources" in order to refute what you have said nor spend my energy attempting to convince you otherwise. I will not do so, not because those sources don't exist, but because there is no point in doing so... you have made up your mind. The difference, is that we are willing to continue to listen and evaluate our assessment in an ongoing basis, while you have come to your conclusion, but demand that we share it with you. Sorry... I do not and will not form my opinion, based on someone else's. Stay and continue to fish for engagement or you can leave... it is your call.
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Peace, phasespace :)
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Sam, while this comment will very likely be lost among the 3200 that are already here, I must voice something. I was a sub for a number of years, but due to the combination of needing to "thin out" the number of creators I just could not commit to following (upwards of 45 at the time) daily / weekly and your persistent application of evil toward Trump. While I am a Trump supporter, I an not an apologist for him, nor do I ascribe that he is this wholesome and virtuous person who is devoid of legit criticism. However, that is not really why I am here writing this now.
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In this very podcast, you mentioned your acceptance / approval for how America was always willing to have the difficult conversations. While they were and are often contentious, we were willing to have them and is what has changed over the last 6 years or so. To this, I completely agree. While I do hold a certain ideology pervasive in our society for the root of why those conversations are very difficult to even initiate, the division is such that neither "side" is as willing to engage as it once was. However, not 5 seconds after casting criticism among those who are unwilling to have the difficult conversations, was the insistence that even the mere addressing of the conversation around, let's say "election issues", so YouTube does not delete my comment, is a rational or right thing to do. Aside from THAT being in and of itself grounds for terminating a discussion, this is NOT really about Trump being Trump, but those who voted for him have seen enough information to want further review of what happened there. Remember what we went through with the "Hanging chads"? The GOP was speaking JUST as Democrats are now, but... we had weeks of nightly news coverage on it, while the "conversation" was taking place. While certainly many were disappointed, we HAD THE DISCUSSION!!!!!!!!
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This is about the UNWILLINGNESS to even sit down and ask that those who say something was wrong with the election, are being told to STFU, we will NOT discuss this with you. I get the idea that we don't give the Taliban or ISIS, for example, a seat at the big table in the Oval to discuss women's rights, but this is not an organized group of terrorists who's one of their stated goals is to eradicate an entire race of people... these are American citizens! I understand that YOU and many, many, MANY others feel that these claims by Trump were specious, but we also have to recall how the Democrats voiced the IDENTICAL concerns, pre-2016 election and we were to hear about it daily from nearly ALL mainstream media, as well as promoted by ALL of the social media platforms.
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To give voice and consideration to one position and by default ZERO to another, speaks to who holds the reins of power, when it comes to the "town square". Being told to STFU, your point of view is not worthy of even consideration, is what is the issue here. I get that some courts were dismissing claims, but mostly on the grounds of a "timely manner" in which they were founded. On one hand, one cannot make claims of fraud BEFORE an event, but the courts said, now that the election is over, it is too late to claim such things. This did not stop Democrats from saying the same thing, but they have ALL of the social media and nearly all of the mainstream media 100% willing to host those comments and concerns. Go look up Zeducation video of a couple years back, with approx. 20 still active Democrats claiming their WOULD be cheating by Trump supporters in the upcoming '16 election. When voices of fraud were raised, regardless of whether you or anyone believes them or not, they were actively and consciously deleted from ALL of the social media or "town squares" of this globe! This was not a handful of Jim Jones fanatics, this was millions of American citizens who had legit reasons to be heard, but whose expressions were DELETED FROM EXISTENCE, because they were deemed as "misinformation" from the very start.
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Many of those who hate Trump with a passion, then blocked access to the VERY voting machine tabulations, that they themselves condemned as ripe with potential fraud. This is due to their connection to a centralized web-based server, that was capable of not only accessing the vote count, but changing it. YES... there is evidence this occurred (I said "evidence"... I did not say proof!), but ANY video which discusses even the possibility and even has evidence to support it, is IMMEDIATELY DELETED! Democrats were very, very vocal about how insecure the very machines were during the pre-'16 election, that had later been asked to confirm were accurately tabulated by Trump and millions of others. There were many open stories of US mail trucks with bags of ballots for the '16 election that were abandoned or those bags were found in the back of some dark mail room or thrown into a creek on the side of the road. Yes, I SAW video coverage of those stories and saw much reporting of them, but since they did not fit the mainstream media's narrative...they were not picked up by NYT's, CNN or MSNBC, to name but a few.
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NOT having the conversation with millions of voices from one "side" is exactly the problem here. What happens to the person who is outcast from society? When one is told you cannot think that, you are wrong, does he / she just say.. "OK... I will move on to something else now"? NO.. that person seeks out other like minded people and what becomes of them... echo chamber! THIS is the issue behind ALL THAT WE SEE TODAY. When we cannot have the discussion, we end up surrounding ourselves with those who WILL and there can only be division for us all.
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After hearing these two "competing thoughts", as I believe I heard you (Sam) say, I can see that the brilliant mind I so admired for years, is still falling victim to believing that one side of an argument cannot and is not legit enough to be considered by the rest of us. That is the most dangerous of all positions to hold, yet... Sam holds it tightly, so I will continue to be disappointed in him :(
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@sarah29880 ... Thank you for your kind words, and as I said to another thoughtful comment, of which I am eagerly awaiting a reply.... rightbackacha! :) I too am as surprised at Sam's inability / unwillingness to face the obvious contradiction in his positions, but just as much that you found my comment among the 3200 others... lol.
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Its funny, and have ZERO doubt you have experienced the same of what I am about to say. To "defend" Trump is really not a specific goal, but that of defending truth ! Since Trump has next to no filter between his brain and his mouth, need only look at Twitter comments for a purrfect understanding of that, but he is / was not a politician. This, ironically, was the VERY THING I have heard pretty much every person who EVER complained about our political leaders was their most desired candidate. While Trump is a lot of things, he is not a politician and does not "owe" people in the same way ALL of them, GOP / Conservatives 100% included here, for his ascent to the Oval.
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How many times have you or I modified or outright changed our opinion, based on new information we have received? I was, like pretty much all teenagers, very pro-choice, for a great example. I have come to change my position as new considerations came to my understanding. I am not militant about it, but I now understand what it is that is so detestable to soo many and I think it is best left for states to make such decisions. Off track here, but you get my point. Politicians, on the other hand, have all but sold their soul at $20K a plate dinners to raise money for their rise to positions of higher political position. They CANNOT POSSIBLY change their opinion on gun control, abortion or, as it stands now... the number of SCOTUS justices.
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Sadly, it is the Regressive Marxist that has driven ALL of this to fruition today and leaves even the most moderate conservatives, and describes me very well, as considered literally EVIL by those of whom we disagree. I am willing and indeed made a pact with myself, to ALWAYS remember to thoughtfully engage in conversation with any and ALL who seek intellectually honest dialog on literally any subject one can name. This is not so, with the Regressives and Sam is unable to recognize its manifestation in himself, so that is the most troubling thing for me. Sam has a FASCINATING and brilliant mind. His talks with JBP and others were riveting and his calm pursuit of facts, logic an nuance were in top form, when he was on Bill Maher and had accusations of racism and xenophobia cast upon him by Ben Affleck.
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When I see Sam fall prey to exactly what he so eloquently denounced on that day of Bill Maher's episode. The unwillingness to even discuss it, is the problem with vax mandates, the forcing of mask wearing and STFU about the election results. It is akin to asking why we can't talk about it and being told... "Because I said so!"
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@mustlovedragons8047 ... Not sure who you are referring to here, but his is not only normal, but a good thing! If I am a creator and apply the "❤" to a comment, it is because I appreciated it WHEN I READ IT. If you come back and CHANGE that comment, you are now changing what it said and I may no longer like it. I learned this many years ago, when I had a comment like this and I edited it to correct a spelling error and when saved, the ❤was gone. I even tried to re-edit BACK to how it was, but never returned. This is to protect the creator from "possibly" providing this special like, only but maybe that person COMPLETELY changes what was said. Those who come later, may see a ❤on a comment that might be nothing like what was read by that creator.
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I get this and makes purrfect sense, so I support YouTube's reasoning for removing the ❤with ANY edits to the post.
PS> I have always remembered that little feature and when I DO edit my comment, I refresh the page just prior, in case it the creator DID give it a ❤. If so, I will not edit it again, unless it was a BIG error on my part and not worthy of creator's appreciation.
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@graemevaughey7432 ... Are you suggesting that others pulled the alarm at or near the same time as Bowman? This would be the first time I have heard of this, but, for the sake of argument... sure, every person who KNOWINGLY pulls a fire alarm (Bowman is 100% guilty), should suffer the same punishment. Be them GOP or Democrat, I don't care.
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@MomoGetsMoney ... Yes. Marriage is VASTLY more risky for the man, as the assets he has, and those he will make going forward, will forever be tied to her, if they have children. If they stay married, that is 100% what he signed up for and that is his commitment. However, as we know, divorce is more often sought by the wife and unless SHE was the mega bread winner, he is automatically gonna take a serious hit, financially. If he had already owned or substantially paid off a debt for a home, she will very likely end up with that home, while he continues to pay the mortgage, the rent on a new place to live AND child support / alimony to her.
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The evils of feminist ideology have a lot to answer for and, as a society... we ALL pay for it. The Feminist has pressed for a "women vs. men" society and is catastrophic to it.
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For If something hurts men, it hurts women. If something hurts women, it hurts men.
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@alexandercampbell0001 ... I am sorry that you cannot recognize a black woman that chooses NOT to see herself as a victim and rises above the desire for the Democratic party, or anyone for that matter... to make her successful, has done so anyway. So long as black America decides that Affirmative Action and Welfare is the way to success, they will FOREVER be less than they could be and that is not only sad for them, but sad for the black children. Many are raised on the street after the mother refuses to get married, because Welfare PROMOTES the destruction of the black family. If you want to see those in the WORST conditions, look no further that the destruction of the nuclear family.
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@alvarojneto ... No doubt that some will be able to do this. I am not simply accepting defeat, but I am coming up on 60 years old, so not going to make a fortress of my home and learn apocalypse survival skills. The only ones that will be able to do this truly successfully, at least for some time, is those in very rural areas. Should society completely collapse, and that is a very real possibility at this point, the mobs we have seen since GF killed himself, will be turning on everyone and will not stop at property. They WILL invade homes and take people out, except... they will ALL be thinking about themselves. They will not be a mob of single minded drones just destroying all in sight, they WILL turn on each other, when a prized resource is found. This will lead to catastrophic chaos and feds / states will send in the troopers. They will simply go full Marshal Law, after concussion grenades are tossed by the thousands. People in city homes, I am in a town of 50K, will be huddled inside hording food, because everything will stop.
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@soldio4143 .. It is like watching a person eat junk food and not exercise their entire life, then sue the medical establishment for not creating a pill to cure diabetes and heart disease when they are 65 yo! No doubt, people will look back and find a whole bunch of signs that showed very early on, this kid was having some difficulty fitting in to his society or family. Back when intervention could have given this guy a path to a healthy life, long before he spiraled down into what he felt was no way out. Society, particularly those on the left, seem to think if we just monitor these kids blog activity, we can remove them from the discourse, before they can spread their evil ideas. How about we ALLOW them to share these ideas, so people can reach out in the early stages and help him to see that he is not alone and there are ways to address what he is feeling?
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Having seen probably 100 of Jordan's video's, I am constantly bewildered by the arguments made against him.
This whole alt-right, anti-woman, exclusionary and wrecker of "safe-space" rhetoric is so absurd, it is offensive to even give response. None the less, these institutions that so proudly wave the "free speech for all" flag, are the very first to tear that flag down when Jordan's name comes up. The administrators bury the mere thought of a Jordan Peterson lecture under the guise of "protecting our fragile students" under a tattered copy of the US Constitutional Amendments in the basement behind the boiler.
I am proud to be an American supporting a Canadian who has his own copy of US Constitution & Amendments. He carries it around in his head, knows it better than I ever will and doesn't even live in this country.
You administrators will eventually lose this fight to protect your students from all the evils of the world and will eventually be face to face with a demon of your own making...... hell.
EDIT: I am curious about the "... violating more safe spaces soon..." comment. I am watching this video on 9/13/19 and have heard Jordan say that he has worked on better control of his "darker side". My guess is that he would not make such a statement today, as this comment was likely part of that learning curve.
NOTE: If you ask Jordan to speak at your venue, please afford him voice amplification that does not require holding a microphone. He is at his best, when in a seated position and has the use of his hands to better express his ideas.
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@totorosghost ... I completely agree. You have probably seen more of their content than I have, but I am well aware of how horrendous they are about a mega sheet-ton of things and Seantiago has talked about a LOT of it (certainly not all).
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For the record, I don't forgive her for what she has done to lead her audience astray (lied / maliciously falsified data) for years. I am just, happy is maybe not the right word... maybe it is, to see here acknowledging things that are MANY years too late, but doing so none the less. She has much to answer for, but how often have we seen a prominent VERY far left "news" person, take a 180 on anything of substance, much less openly call out at least some of it right on her own network. We have seen Cenk agree on somethings, as well as appear shocked at some of the things she is now calling out.
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This is a good thing, Peace, Totoro 😺
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@totorosghost ... Yes. I saw your comment, as I was finishing up mine, so edited prior to posting to reflect a bit of it. I agree that Ana and Ben's conversations were not all that illuminating, but she is having them and this humanizes each side to the other, so at least some degree. You and I both know that conservatives are exceedingly dehumanized by the leftist and they dictate the rules that the "left" plays under.
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Some of the left is starting to recognize that they have removed the brakes and tossed out the steering wheel long ago and people like Bill Maher have been calling it out. We need a HELL of a lot more, but every Ana, Bill that begins to ask why the steering wheel and brake lever are a decade in the rear view, we will start to bridge some of the gap.
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Googlag Inmate #666 ... I remember VERY well the days of Tipper Gore going after the music industry (focused on Rap), due to lyrical content "corrupting our kids". That was spear headed by the political right and was the LEFT who was arguing 1a without relent. Of course, the leftist is saying that we need to implement "hate speech laws" to protect minorities from violence. They want to silence conservatives, because they are seen as universally racist, bigoted, sexist, homophohbic, xenophobic and all the rest, so big tech is all about silencing such voices.
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In general response to all of the above:
The GOP, Conservatives or political right wing, whatever one wishes to call them, are not dealing with the Democrats or political left that we have known for the last 250 years. They are dealing with socialists & Marxists that have NO ties to the accepted traditional value system this nation was founded upon. Through ALL of the previous presidents and political ideas, there was a fundamental belief in the following 4 things.
1. The Constitution
2. The Bill of Rights
3. The Declaration of Independence
4. The Ten Commandments
While not ALL of the text within these documents was 100% adopted by all, they were accepted as the basic guidelines as to not only live our lives, but govern the country. Today, we have Marxists and not only are NONE of those documents recognized as a moral or legal guide, but they are IN THE WAY! A socialist "utopia" cannot possibly exist, so long as those documents are respected, so the leftist is seeking to destroy EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM! The "Democratic" party, mainstream media, big tech, academia K~12, college & university professors do not feel any moral obligation to these documents and feel as though their ideology is morally superior to anything ANY of those documents has to say.
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The Marxists have changed the rules of EVERYTHING this country and its people were founded upon. So long as those who oppose the leftists continue to ALLOW them to not only re-write the rules, but outright make them up as they go along, we will continue to lose ground to ideological zealots. The leftists have 3 generations of indoctrinated minions and they have infiltrated every part of society. Those of us who were NOT indoctrinated are not outnumbered by those who were, but they have seized control of the means of disseminating information. Information is power and so long as those who control that information STAY in those positions, we will all lose everything.
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Small example of how far we have regressed. Yesterday, I wrote a comment saying "it has become controversial to say there is only [number two] genders". That comment was immediately deleted by minions of YouTube, who were notified via algorithm. After 3 copy / paste of that same comment with minor changes, I finally changed it so it read "too genders" and it was no longer getting deleted. Imagine the delusion one has to ascribe to view the idea of too genders as heresy of doctrine. This is not only what we have come to, but the leftist will continue to push such idiocy until we are driven to a full-on civil war.
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@Violett Fem ... So am I to interpret this as "we get what we deserve" so may as well just be happy with a socialist America?
This is akin to giving your 3 yo a tricycle and when he is caught riding around in the street, saying to yourself... 'Well, I gave him the tricycle, so I have to accept the consequences". The direction this country we have witnessed for quite a few years now, is the result of the indoctrination of Marxist ideals for literally 3 generations. We cannot pin this on simply voting for Obama, Biden or even Trump. No, this is a fundamental shift in core values of which this nation, and the western world for that matter, were founded upon and the positions of IMMENSE power now controlled by those who have abandoned those core values.
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We cannot point to a single point in time or a person who was elected to political office to say "this was when it all started", because the seeds of what we see now were planted in the 50's and when Joseph McCarthy was telling us exactly what to expect. Joseph McCarthy was a TERRIBLE human un-being, but he was 100% correct about the communist threat and we can see just how right he was today.... just look around!
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@lainiwakura1776 ... RE: If you think it's a person... : While it is true, that currently there is no "legal" obligation to donate an organ, in this case a uterus, but those who are pro-life and indeed our creator, most certainly feels there is a "moral" obligation.
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I say moral obligation, because the human species cannot exist, were it not for the male and female combining forces, so to speak, and propagate ourselves. Since even that "clump of cells" REQUIRES that uterus as a means to grow as it is destined to do, then by literal definition, there is a moral obligation to donate it for said purpose.
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Now, before anyone gets triggered into thinking I am saying there can be no case made for abortion, there most certainly is, but I happen to believe that FAR, FAR to often, the excuse to terminate is only the seeking of and excuse to avoid responsibility for such intimate contact.
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On a side note, this can only get worse, as we are seeing many, many examples of "educators", and a LOT of their supporters, who seek to provide sex education to younger and younger children. The last thing a child of sub-7 or 8 yo, is an even earlier than normal exposure to human reproductive means. This will inevitably lead to additional very young girls getting pregnant, as the younger a person is, the less likely they grasp long-term repercussions, so teen pregnancy is likely to go on the rise in coming years :(
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@metalcadude2 .. Really.. that is your takeaway here? Crimes of passion have and WILL always happen. That does not mean we should forgo punishment or assume that it will end crimes of passion. What a society silently counts upon, is the basic tenants of values shared between all of them, in order to greatly limit the number of crimes due to passion.
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We must find a balance between punishment, which ABSOLUTELY must happen, but also not to go over the top with it and make that person emotionally and psychologically worse off when after the punishment has been served.
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I am all about pursuing legal accountability for one who brings false charges, but just as much, if not more, for a 3rd party who manipulates another who "may" have been wronged, to some degree. It is possible for one to be taken advantage of, but with the manipulation / projection of another, turn an uncomfortable event into a serious charge that will destroy a person SIMPLY because of how graphic the image is in the mind of the listener.
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There will always be cases like this, but the MeToo bandwagon, compounded the incentive of playing the victim.
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@miraann3997 .. RE: You can still empathize... : The only way to get to the root of the problem, is afford the opportunity for one to get out of it... capitalism does this. I am not going to argue that life is "fair" or that every person has the same difficulty or ease at exercising those opportunities, but that is how life works. There is ZERO reason why the poorest person in America, cannot become the richest person in the world, say for a few things that cannot be controlled by society.
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Basic raw talent, the internal drive to succeed and discipline to follow the rules that societies have set down for millennia. Whether it be Herschel Walker playing football, Bach creating music or Bill Gates writing computer code. There was most definitely support for each along the way, but without basic raw drive / talent for these things, they would never in a million years get to where they arrived and no amount of effort can create that raw drive or intrinsic talent. We have seen extremely poor kids from the worst parts of town, become Mike Tyson, for example, and make millions, upon millions of dollars, but only to piss it away, because raw talent and hard work are not enough... one has to have that discipline as well.
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For without it, all of the hard work, talent and even a massive amount of support structure cannot save them from ending up like countless musicians and actors that ended up dying of OD :( Poverty is NOT the reason people don't make the most of themselves, it is merely a hurdle to those who have :)
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@stevexracer ... BS. Simply because ther person is a "CEO", does not make them an instant ahole. If there is collusion between businesses, that is a crime and is punishable by law.
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If we take your view to the obvious conclusion, than ALL companies would simply screw over everyone and guess what.. their products / service would SUCK, because the employees are not motivated to do a good job. If the guy next door, is paying lousy wages, than guess what... I am gonna pay HIGHER wages, to get skilled workers. When my business is selling more burgers and my place is always packed with customers, guess what... your company is going out of business, so you have 2 options.
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a) Continue to be a damned fool and lose everything, or....
b) Raise your wages, so that good people WANT to work at your business.
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I was part of a family business for 35 years. We did not last for the next 10 years, after I retired, to STILL in business today, by not being good to our employees. Just stop with the "corporate greed" BS, because "corporation" is simply a tax benefit for some, so it is not this trigger point of a good business turning evil. My workers knew DAMNED well, what other companies payed and If I wanted to keep them loyal, I had to pay them fairly often with increased benefits.
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@Goulash45 …. I have made exactly ZERO claims, as to the legality of what this guy did…. NONE! I have never said he is innocent of a crime, nor that he did not act with force outside the legal acceptable limit. I said that he is MORALLY justified and that is my considered opinion, because these guys were the ones to violate the the moral code of “thou shalt not steal”.
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This guy has NO expectation to think they will not break other codes, so they found out the hard way that others are willing to go to extremes, when the situation calls for fight or flight. He had nowhere to run, because he was cornered on both sides.
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He chose to fight and that guy paid dearly for it.
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PS> Both of them were willing to jump over the counter and THAT IS A THREAT!!!!!!! So he should just wait until it gets out of hand? When they, in a moments notice... BOTH jump him to get at the cash register? I swear to God I am sick an tired of people who sit back from the comfort of their living room, dog sleeping on floor beside, cup of coffee in hand and relaxing on a Monday afternoon, looking at a guy who VERY WELL could have been facing at minimum of 2 attackers, because you CANNOT count on them NOT attacking you!
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Go ahead and make an argument that he crossed a legal line... fine! Just don't sit her and attempt to convince others that he was NOT in danger, because he WAS!
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@hllymchll ... a VERY fine recording indeed, Ms. Michelle :)
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Just a few weeks back I played some PF demo's including the original mix of WYWH. It was brilliant to hear the origins of how the song was perceived prior to getting the producers and engineers involved. While it is really great, it lacks the looooooooong fading out after that 4th Gilmore note that builds the intro. That fading sustain that builds that incredible anticipation of the next set of notes. When I was very young, born in '64, I did not get into PF at the time. I was into Van Halen, Rush, April Wine, Black Sabbath and many other groups, but for all the talk of PF, I just never gave them a chance in HS days :( However, when I finally got around to really listening to them, I quickly learned what all the fuss was about for all those years :) I am now a HUGE Floyd fan and am still in awe with every listen I afford to their music.
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One record I highly recommend, if you have not already gotten into it, is Roger Waters Amused To Death . It is an absolutely BRILLIANT piece of music and maybe picks up where The Final Cut left off, but certainly some of its inspiration. I recommend sitting quietly in a completely dark room and relax for a few minutes, maybe a dog or cat sleeping on your lap :) and then begin the CD. I have always described it as the "perfect meal" of a recording. A small salad, little bowl of soup, the entree and a wonderful glass of red wine then a nice satisfying desert before a finishing cup of coffee (not a coffee drinker myself, but many like to close a good meal that way... lol). Just like with PF material, there is just sooooo much going on and will take many, many listens before you really get your soul around the complete message of what that record is saying. BTW.... Jeff Beck plays guitar on that record, so certainly worth a listen for that reason alone ;)
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@tessareynolds8377 ... While I still hate you for keeping DeSantis all to yourself, I do agree with all that you have said.... say just one thing ;) You mention the "division of assets" and this would literally prove impossible. Beyond the fact that such precious assets are spread all over this country, BOTH "sides" would not only be unwilling to give them up to the other, those of us who are sane, would be willing to find a compromise of some kind (trade, neutral ground or whatever), while the Marxists would absolutely not!
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What we have seen time and time again, is the Regrissive Marxists WILL NOT negotiate anything with those whom they consider, in the words of Killary... "deplorables" . They simply WILL not sit down at a table and talk about such things with us lower species. This position would be hardened 1K fold, should it actually come to such a state, even if 95% of Americans were demanding it be done. It would be as if the Taliban sat down at a table and conceded that women were to have full rights and privileges as men... this is just something they will NEVER do, regardless of what you offer in exchange.
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Let's say that we were to magically reach some sort of agreement and some neutral party would step in and be the "go-between" for negotiation and also travel between the divided locations and transact the business of trade. Do you honestly think for one nano, that the Regressives would tolerate the lowly existence of a neighboring area chock full of disgusting, wretched and down right EVIL conservatives...? No, they will not! Once all that was settled, they would come after the people in those areas, because the Marxist cult of leftist ideology is an offensive species and would just not be able to reconcile our existence among the same earth as such a morally superior species as themselves.
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However, it would never come to that point, because by the time tensions got THAT high, full "civil unrest" will ABSOLUTELY have broken out on a mass scale. EXAMPLE: I live in Comifornia and I would be forced to move, should such a division be make. What of the literally millions of others who would be required to give up their entire existence in the house their great, great, great, great grandfather built? Or give up the land that has been in their family for hundreds of years? No, the Regressive would OUTRIGHT demand that such evil minds, as the one I have, be cast out from their land. This would have to be figured out for, I would guess very conservatively... 100M people who live across this country. How would it be possible to find a peaceful solution to driving such people away from their homes... neighborhoods they grew up in... or friends they have known all their lives?
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I realize you did not expect nor desire a response of this length and I am most certainly NOT chastising you or picking on you in even the slightest of ways :) I just know that we tried to separate once before and we saw what happened. The country was MUCH less populated at the time and 75% of the country was never on the front lines of any such conflict. We would have ALL 50 states vying for who gets what, who gets to stay, who is forced (whether required or just "requested") to leave and who is acceptable to remain. No, the Regressives would step up their in-fighting and would then demand that those who are not worthy of being in the more virtuous peoples domain, be cast out, as they leftist has proven to eat its own, just as they devour all that does not comply to the cult.
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No... this could never happen and not just for the reasons stated, but there will be many, many other reasons that will arise that have not been mentioned here or even fallen under consideration by either of us :( I feel the only way out is through! I have literally zero doubt that we WILL see our Fort Sumpter moment at some point. Besides, the Civil War was causing division for several decades and we are only coming up on about 7 years not. That is NOT to down-play how horrendous all this has been, but in terms of escalating tensions, we are probably 50% of the way from actually getting to that point, as it relates to the entire populous that willing to stand their ground.
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I understand that separation makes the most sense, but we must ask ourselves... how often to Regressives accept fact, logic or common sense?
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@tessareynolds8377 .. Thank you for your kind words and right backacha! :) Do you actually think that the "blue states" would accept that "red states" have all of the farm land...? or have all of the oil...? Have some natural gas resources that THEY also need? Sane Democrats, as well as Leftists drive cars... eat vegetable and need natural gas to heat their homes. Do you honestly feel that we could negotiate these resources when one "side" owns them all.
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Just take a look at Israel and ask how Jerusalem has worked out for them! Sure, they have it all neatly tucked away in their country and willing to allow people to visit, but how does this differ from "separate but equal" we heard from Jim Crow...? not much :( We also have a little thing called "supply and demand". Imagine if the CEO of "Middle American Beef Supply" was once living in a home in Cominfornia, but then forced to move out, because it was to become a "blue state"?
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I have to wonder if Mr. CEO would be just as willing to cut a nice deal on that 20K cows for his former state governor Gavin Grewsom.... I wonder? HELL F'ING NO! He would be spiteful, vengeful and raise the price 10x over to punish them for driving him out of his home. Now, imagine this absolutely will happen on BOTH sides of the equation.
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I could go on and on with examples and while I agree with your sentiment as a nice one, it is just not possible to implement. I wish it were, but Americans could not avoid the catastrophic events of 1861, with well under 35M people and that number has now risen to literally almost 10x that amount. I don't like contemplating this any more than you or anyone else, but while separation is a nice term... "peaceful" is a relative term!
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Peace, Tessa... I like the way you think :)
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@tessareynolds8377 ... You are ready to move on now, I get that, but would like to give a couple last thoughts of why I feel as I do. The extremists at the separation negotiation table, whether they be left or right, will drive the conversation. Those of us who don't want armed conflict are not only more agreeable, but they KNOW that we will compromise to avoid that conflict. Therefore, human nature tells us that those who are willing to be violent, will push and push for their agenda. We have seen the leftists are ALL TOO HAPPY to burn cities to the ground, trap people inside of a building and throw Molotov Cocktails through the window, drag people from their cars and beat them nearly to death (remember the black guy who saw a Puerto Rican pride flag, confused it for a Rebel flag and, after a small fender-bender, executed the man and shot his wife and she later died). These people will be front and center when it comes to standing ground for resources. The state doesn't even have to ask them... they WILL be there!
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@tessareynolds8377 ... I agree with all that you are saying, I disagree that we will be able to achieve such division with any kind of harmony. The red states will have to deal with the repercussions of what happens in the blue ones, and verse-visa, because there are somethings that are going to remain universal between both.
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As a great man once said... "A nation divided against itself cannot stand". This will sound ABSOLUTELY INSANE, but I actually want a MASSIVE natural disaster to befall this nation. A tornado that sweeps from coast to coast... an earthquake that travels over that same distance. Something so terrible and horrifying, that it will literally FORCE us to work together and re-discover that sense of a single nation again. I realize that many millions would die, in such a case, but I think that many may die anyway, should we attempt to separate.
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You and I are just not going to agree on this one, but unlike with the leftists, we won't consider each other enemies for it :)
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Have yourself a wonderful rest of the day, Tessa <3
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@InvincibleSol ... OK. The opening part is exactly what I said. Platforms are protected from liable. I am going to research what I am missing or where I am wrong. I totally get that it is the govt. that is not allowed to violate 1a, but we also know that Twitter had regular meetings with fed officials in order to moderate "misinformation". No matter how we slice it, Twitter was working with the state and that is a violation of 1a, for those whom live in America. No evidence that YouTube was doing that, but they are in political LOCKSTEP with Democratic party, Biden admin and nearly all of the big players in social media, so we should all be EXTREMELY concerned and pissed off. Hell, they censored 100% legit doctors with science based knowledge, over the propaganda of the CDC, and they are STILL doing that.
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I am gonna get back to you on this. Either way, the world is is GRAVE trouble, when our flow of information is controlled by ideologues. In the current case, it is the leftist cult, but would be 100% just as evil, were it to be equally far to the right and they were deciding what is and is not "misinformation".
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@InvincibleSol ...UPDATE: I have done some digging and found the document that provided me with the info I outlined (not so well) in my earlier comment.
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Trump was quite concerned with the abuse of the "good faith" arguments to censor speech within online platforms. Section 230 was initially created, to address what we all recognized, until the Marxists tookover the left side of the isle, as "harmful" speech. Things like pr0n, threats of violence or that might be interpreted (in good faith) as a call for mob action and the like. These were traditionally reserved for news papers and news outlets, who had to expressly print or verbalize what could be interpreted as the above.
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I am a libertarian at heart, so I DEPLORE govt. telling private business what they can and cannot do. However, we must also recognize the "Town Square" is now social media and when world renown doctors are deplatformed, censored and removed from the discussion (as most of social media had and continues to do), there is just cause for legislation to prevent such over-reach, as initially outlined in Section 230.
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@TravelsTTG ... I have no issue with him saying what he thinks. Back in the day when he was sane, I enjoyed his content and followed him. He eventually began playing to the whims of the mob, and most particularly, denounced JBP out of the blue. They had a good conversation and Ethan DID enjoy it, but when since the mob turned it malicious hatred against JBP.... Ethan wanted to score virtue signalling points and went bat sheet crazy over him.
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Since then, he has gotten himself in a LOT of hot water, because he simply fails to consider what he thinks, may be detrimental to his livelihood (same thing as Trump... lol). Ethan has been bleeding followers, so he is fumbling a bit to find something that works.
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@barbarakauppi9915 ...I was being a bit hyperbolic, but my point was that the instances of young teens setting out to specifically commit murder, was very rare. Yes, this happened some in those areas where gun and gang culture was prevalent, but this is not only more common now, but spread among children who are not in these areas.
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I am not saying... "we should keep this in the projects" or anything, only that this is not even headline news, because it does not fit the media narrative. There are many things going much more wrong today, than in years past, but the rise of identity politics and the WOKE cult putting everyone into opposing lines, based on race, can lead to nothing but more gangs of thugs.
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Just a couple days ago, there were 4 friends, 3 black and one white, and seems the white kid sang lyrics to a rap song and said the N-word. Well, we have no real context from short video, but the white kid was apologizing and one of the black kids was asking.."why did you say the N-word" over and over and over in various ways, until he finally punched the white kid in the face and he went DOWN.
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The issue of Regressives and Democratic party pushing or supporting the sexualization of VERY young children. Obviously.... not all Democrats are in favor of this and would argue that it is a VERY small sub-set of them, but the Democratic party AS A WHOLE will not denounce such behavior. This is a VERY extreme position, to argue that is appropriate to discuss gender, trans and human sexuality with K~3rd, which is the law so many idiots oppose.
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While we will NEVER all agree on abortion, it is objectively TRUE, that the younger a person is, the more likely they will engage in behavior that has ramifications WAY beyond their understanding to comprehend. Since pregnancy, and the possibility is well off the radar of consideration far too often, how would this be improved by younger and younger children being exposed to sexuality? Answer....? It will NOT!
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@The Machine Stops ... I REALLY wish I could say that I disagree with you, but I cannot!
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Sadly, and there are about 10K sad things about all of this, I think that far, far too many of these leftists actually believe they are doing the right thing. They think that white people deserve to be punished and it will be like a "time out" until those whities learn their lesson. Then... somehow, some way, balance of the universe will be created and this peace will fall upon ALL on earth, if the white man just gets a taste of his own medicine. Of course, those of us who have spent more than 2.5 nanoseconds thinking about all this, realize that "balance" can never be achieved in such a way. I most certainly concede that there are many with pure malice and want a civil war to thin the population, but each and every one of those supporting this leftist insanity will have ZERO idea how to deal with the push back that will undoubtedly take a VERY VIOLENT form from many :(
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@bertg.6056 ... Well, as bad as he is for Comifornia, how would you like to see the entire country under a MASSIVE amount of cult influence that he has? As bad as Grewsom is for CA, there is somebody very close (only Turd-eau is his equal) waiting in the wings to take gov. In this regard, CA would be a bit better off but the country will suffer even MORE than Biden, if this goes the way I am positive it will.
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@susansmith493 ... It doesn't matter to me who invented what, where, when or how... only that this issue will not go away without a fight. It is most unfortunate, but if women and girls are not willing to fight for what is rightfully theirs, others will not endlessly fight on their behalf and they will be cheated out of opportunities, because they allowed it to happen. I have not dog in this fight. I don't have a daughter who spent the last 5+ years of her pre-high school life going to swim competitions and dreaming of a professional career or Olympics one day. I am not invested here, so I am not going to go to swim meets and protest, so these girls, their parents, coaches and local governing bodies have to deal with this.
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@ywiitter1177 .. you speak for the overwhelming VAST majority of not only people in the United States, but most of the world. There are certain groups of people who absolutely DO kill gays just for "being" and we both know who they are. Sadly, the SJW cult has redefined some VERY visceral terms for their own evil purposes and those definitions have become "mainstreamed" in to societies vernacular.
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@ht w I am 55 yo. I can say that from my earliest days, I have been indoctrinated with the belief that southerners were racist, bigoted, ignorant and somehow less intelligent than the rest of us. I never had a teacher that sat up in front of the class and wrote it on the chalkboard or asked me to write an essay of how these things are true, yet these thoughts have been "with" me for my whole life.
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This was not due to my parents, as they never taught me anything like this, but simply absorbed it through various mediums and most likely from jokes. Since humor is a way to say the absurd and push the boundaries of what is acceptable dialog, if a persistent idea is pushed often and by enough people, a narrative is formed. Each of those people telling that joke may not have even believed it, while some certainly did! However, if one hears the same thing over and over and over again, particularly when very young, the context is stripped away and indoctrination has been performed.
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This is also most easily exemplified by "blonde jokes" as they were EXCEEDINGLY common many years ago, but rarely heard today. It took 50 years before the blonde jokes damage became recognized and society has now gone away from them to the degree that they have all but disappeared. While I like humor, we have to understand that it can be as damaging as any other speech, if it is NOT understood as just to get a simple laugh and not to cause harm.
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@mollyfrommichigan5966 sadly... there will ALWAYS be such attitudes :( That does not mean we need to just accept that Uncle Bob is a bigot, but we have 330+ million people in this nation and bigotry / racism is bred... NOT BORN! While certainly there are those who develop such attitudes via experiences they have, most of them have such bigotry learned from parents.
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What we see so blatantly now, is parents recording video of 3 yo children struggling to hold up a "F*** THE POLICE" cardboard sign then being coached to repeat that phrase to the adoration of his parents and friends. I am not saying that some white parents don't do the exact same thing with "F*** THE N******", but there are two VERY distinct differences between them. First... this is broadcast on mainstream social media and seen by millions upon millions of people in the matter of 24 hours. That number of "clicks" is very attractive for a VERY large number of people and they are gaining what they believe to be social currency.
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The second issue is acceptance. Had such a video as that young white child been broadcast on the news just 10 years ago or today, the OVERWHELMING vast majority of those who saw it would be up in arms and be disgusted by such behavior from parents. Today.... that little black child is openly celebrated by WAY, WAY, WAY too many people and is nothing short of child abuse... PERIOD! Imagine setting your child up for such failure? Send him / her out into the world believing that it is NOT POSSIBLE to get ahead, as whitie is always around the next corner to put you down and the police literally HUNT BLACK PEOPLE FOR SPORT!
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Not only is this a complete and absolute fucking lie, it is perpetuated by the Dem's, mainstream media and the SJW's currently on a rampage in many parts of this country.
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@Player_Review [looks frantically for option to "red heart" this comment] :)
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Everything was very well said and I must admit, I was a bit defeatist yesterday :( Was the culmination of several things, but I was pretty pissed about the state of things. We are literally watching everything in which I believe about this nation under attack. One half of that nation is seemingly either not paying attention or they are entirely deceived by mainstream media and my own mother falls into that camp. She knows it is ugly, but she thinks this is all about how racist we are as a nation and has NO IDEA of the socialist plans the leftists have for America.
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I do deride the partisanship, but I wish I was able to be more equal in holding blame to both the GOP and Dem's. We both know that what the Dem's are not directly doing themselves, they either completely agree with BLM, Antifa and the SJW's or they are too weak to speak out against their own party. We can see that such fears are not unfounded, as one only need look at ANY Democrat that goes on CNN, MSNBC or is editor of the NYT's to see the shit-storm of attack for speaking up. I Pray that a Democrat of HUGE influence finally says that enough is enough and grabs the The House by the proverbial neck and shakes some sense in to it. Unfortunately, ALL of those with such power and influence are
100% committed to Orange Man Bad and has completely blinded them to any sense of moral obligation to America and the values it was founded upon.
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Speaking up is what MUST be done by the moderate Dem's, as the Demoncrats in The House instantly dismiss ANY criticism coming from the right. Of course, they see the Alt-right as a person who is 1 degree to the center of Nancy Pelosi! I keep waiting for the event of such an egregious nature that even BLM or Antifa stop and examine their actions. To this point, no such line has been crossed.
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I feel that there will be the destruction of some monument or an explosion that kills a bus load of children or something SO INCREDIBLY horrifying, that even the mainstream media will say this is enough. The catalyst that catapults us BACK from the catalyst that launched this whole thing. Sadly, I feel it will take that bus full of children all captured on video of the body parts of 5 yo kids flying through the air and the mother screaming over the dead body of her child. That image similar to girl in the Kent State photo that just viscerally reaches EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS WORLD and freezes us all in our tracks.
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The visceral response we all had watching George Floyd being killed at the hands of police, but as a wake up call to stop this fucking madness :(
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@Player_Review ... another well spoken reply here... The Kitty digs it! :) Yes... we have not spoken of the VERY likely influence and direct action by those countries who would see American burn. A present though, such discussions in open dialog fall subject to "conspiracy theories by the alt-right". Sadly, this is just one more example of how insanely organized (and incredibly lucky) the left is and has obviously been planning ALL of this for many, many, MANY years. Much of that cannot be attributed as luck, because the Dem's have mainstream mediocre on their side and they are as evil as a millennia is long :(
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With all of the "Russiagate" then "Eukrainegate" and "Trump is a Puppet of China" bullshit, it has become impossible for conservatives to indicate a very likely scenario of foreign interference in our Nation. This is like that movie when the bad guy just keeps forwarding his nefarious plans for world conquest and every time the protagonist is always just that one step behind and he gets away with it ... AGAIN! >:(
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Thank you for your kind words of ego stoking :) No, my mom is not radicalized, per say, but has an INSANE case of TDS. I keep chipping away, but at some point her protective mechanism kicks in and she becomes inconsolable and begins actually physically shaking with distress (not exaggerating here!). I love my mother and will continue to gently chip away around the edges and my brother and I will finally get through to her. I fear that it is gonna take that "bus" event to break though though.
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On your closing line (that is two users in a row with good ones - see @Adam just above). Yes, I have heard that line and like all stereotypes, there is always a bit of truth in them. There most certainly is a connection between the liberal ideals of youth and the conservative values of the more... seasoned... lol
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While I have always been somewhat conservative, I too was focused on that "idealism" of youth. But, just like most everyone who lives outside of an information bubble, I have come to understand that the idealism of youth is not shared by all and most certainly not by some VERY powerful countries whom occupy this earth and would like to see America fall.
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@goober69er I would argue that while the radical or alt-right certainly exists, they are denounced by, well... everybody, so they make no headway into anything mainstream. No doubt they have meetings and secret "we don't talk about Fight Club" websites and some are very likely part of Antifa, as they both have similar aims. However, the radical, extreme or alt-left, is most definitely protected by media. They will claim they are not, but only because they either don't refer to Antifa at all or lump them in with...uhem, "peaceful" protesters.
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The very last thing Antifa are is neither peaceful nor protesting... they are terrorists, pure and simple. They are 100% fascist, so how they are falling under the radar of the left as anti-fascist is a fucking joke. Yes... the proud boys absolutely get unfairly targeted, because the Dem's and media edit video to ONLY show how the Proud Boys responded to violence perpetuated upon them by Antifa. Add to that leftist prosecutors, judges, mayors and other city officials and we see members getting 10 year prison sentences for giving a beat down, while Antifa VERY regularly swings bike locks and heavy weapons at civilians they run down, set vehicles and property on fire and absolutely terrorize ANYONE who gets in their path. That includes little old ladies and men in walkers just trying to cross the street.
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Imagine for a split second if we saw someone NOT protected under the wings of Democrats or mainstream mediocre was to do what we saw Antifa do to that elderly couple in Canada last year. The media would have had that video lead on EVERY newscast for weeks on end and the Demoncrats would have launched a full-scale investigation into "the extreme alt-right terrorizing our citizens". But since it was most clearly Antifa... they don't say a God damned thing and those that follow ONLY such media for their news, have no idea that it even happened at all.
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Those on the libertarian / conservative side absolutely showed that video, but what does big tech, YT and Google do...? shadow ban such channels and websites, then turns to their buddies Patreon to claim "violation of terms" BS and takes away MASSIVE amounts of income to those creators. Now, they have to fight for their lives to even get a job, so they sure as hell aren't going to spend their resources making sure others see such videos of Antifa terrorism.
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Over the last couple days, Patreon is beginning to reap what they have sewn and there are MANY, MANY left leaning and leftist creators who's income are now under direct threat, as Patreon may be forced to close over litigation costs.
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We will see where this all goes, but even with the GOP being useless as tits on a boar hog, those on the "right" side of history are beginning to break through :)
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@kurarisusa ... OMG, just a day or so ago, this thread crossed my mind. This thread has generated more response than anything else I had ever said on YT by light years. There are now 251 replies and I had followed each and every one and probably responsible for 35 of its comments. As for your comment here... yes, absolutely! The leftist feels he / she possesses the moral high ground and since some words are considered "violent", responding with actual violence is a 100% acceptable response. This is why BLM and SJW's indoctrinated in the idiotology feel completely justified in attacking and sometimes killing anyone from a small child (remember the two teens that knocked the MAGA hat off of that 6 yo's head, probably 2+ years ago?) Or, just this past week when the Amazon delivery driver attacked the elderly woman, because of her white privilege?
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Of course, I haven't even mentioned the 9 months of rampaging attacks on literally ANYONE in eyesight that left 34 people dead, hundreds of millions of dollars damage and who knows how many businesses destroyed. This whole thing sickens me... just sickens me :( Now we are finally getting real push back on the evils of CRT and those who were asleep all this time thinking that Orange Man was the real menace, are beginning to see that this admin, along with the Progressive party are the true evil of our day.
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If you are curious to see how much denial the SJW faces, open the replies to this comment, beginning from the very first one. Most who replied were engaged and on the side of being human, but there are a few that are just those lost souls and, like you just said... believe in the cult. Logic, common sense, reason and facts just have no place in response to what they think, because they possess the moral high ground!
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@snowcat9308 …. Yes, censorship is evil, but this is about age appropriate material, so it depends on the age of those whom have access to it. Best example, of late, is the gender queer books that were rightfully removed from grade school libraries. They were not and are not “banned books”. These are very graphic descriptions, with suggestive images, that are written in a way that is easilly understood / digested by sub 5 yo children (like cartoons).
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I have no issue with books, movies that depict or describe same-sex images or scenes, but these are adult activities, so 18 yo is apprpriate. This is the age of concent, (some states are 16) because society has come to a determination, over thousands of years, that the cognitive development level increases over time. The process of complete development, has been determined to be approx. 25 yo.
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There is a reason we do not let 5 yo’s drive a car, smoke cigarrettes or drink alcohol. They are simply not equipped with the cognitive understanding or discipline to make a healthy judgement call. There is a reason that “kids do dumb things” far more regularly than adults and is for the above reason.
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Protecting the developing mind is not censorship…. it is called being responsible.
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To take what @Peter Holubz has already said, but with some modification. No, I was once very proud to be an American, but am certainly not proud of what this country has become. I realize that what we see today, had its seeds sewn back in the late 50's, but this 3rd generation of socialists finally has enough infiltration to make its stand. I am indeed grateful to be an American, but I have grave concerns for where we end up when all this madness comes to an end. It most certainly will, but in the wise words of Neil Peart (RIP) of the band Rush , "We will pay the price, but we will not count the cost". There are far too many who will not stand for a socialist nation, and that includes myself, so I fear that civil war or at the very least a physical assault on our political capitol to overthrow the evil that wields this insane power is a very real possibility.
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What I cannot imagine is how those that are the TRUE leftist ideologues will integrate into the society that is left after the above. Fortunately, the overwhelming VAST MAJORITY of these leftists are merely sheep. Oh sure, they think capitalism is evil and we should all have free healthcare and a place to live, but they are just regurgitating the party line to pander for social currency. Those TRUE zealots are just not going to make the transition and they will continue to be incapable of living amongst the rest of us. One thing is for sure... it is gonna be ugly!
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@totorosghost ... I have at least 3 comments that were removed and none of which came within 500 miles of any ToS lines. At least one of them was in simple agreement with another, so it was removed. The take in my OP was as you stated in the middle of your reply here, though I just afforded a higher degree of respect. That respect does not travel beyond what you said, but I stand behind it, for what it is. I have done additional clarification in more than a few replies within this thread, so I would ask that you expand it, so as to better understand my position. Ana was willing to directly promote this channel on her platform and that is no small thing. This channel has been exceptionally critical of her platform on many occasions and those who are steadfastly in agreement with her for all this time, have heard it. I am not expecting a mass changing of minds, but she has earned their support, so it is a chipping away at the positions they hold. This is a good thing, just as it is for ANY person who hears a challenge to their long held belief / position on anything.
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She has a LOT more of their respect, due to her long held political opinions, so this is a positive move. It does not undo or make up for anything, but it is a step in a more sensible direction. I don't see her ever going GOP, but society needs the left to re-adopt positions in which we have all agreed for millennia. I don't see how anyone can un-see what she has, so this is a good thing. On your closing line, I 100% agree and time will tell. Peace, Toto
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@totorosghost .... Thank you and I agree. While I have never watched her show, only seen reactions to it (98% of those by Sean). I have seen a HUGE amount of segments, that include a lot of context, so I feel what I have seen is a good representation of each, though the totality of those dishonest segments, should never be ignored. My bias is certainly very strong against the show in general, but Cenk more than any one else. He is the undisputed👑of the straw man and is not possible to be as ignorant as he would need to be, in order to honestly believe a HUGE amount of what he says (being understated with my words, for reasons we both understand). You are correct, in that it is very little, within the context of all that she has supported over the years. I do hope she continues to allow what she is far more willing to recognize, to influence here world view going forward. Only time will tell and maybe I am unrealistically optimistic, but her sitting down with pub. en. #1, Ben Shaprio twice, is enough to end someone in her positions career.
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In the end, I don't think any of this will matter much, as society is so incredibly fractured, I am not convinced we will escape collapse. Canada, UK and USA are in a race, though I think Canada will be the 1st to completely stop working into chaos. We are soo far along this path, we are gonna need to see such a thing happen, in order to hopefully get the wake up call necessary. I am an optimist, but very pessimistic about what I see. Best to you as well, Toto and want to say I appreciate the push back, you and others have offered. I see them all as balancing the scales, so as to keep my bias in check and that is something I always strive to do.
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@totorosghost ... I get all that and why I freely admit I have not watched TYT to any real degree. However, NONE of that changes the credit I have afforded her. I made it exceptionally clear, that it does not erase anything she has done, only that she HAS seen some of the error of her ways. Accepting that error has in ZERO ways, righted any wrongs, only that I will welcome ANY human on the face of this planet, to move ANY degree toward a sensible position on ANY issue that necessitates it for a cohesive society.
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I am not sure why you continue to read more into my opinion than I have made extremely clear on many occasions, within this thread. Your last comment, is very much in line with what I have been saying from the start. If she had one 1B horrendous lies, that does NOT erase any of the truths. It does not excuse them nor does it afford her my forgiveness for them. She has a VERY large platform and has taken owner ship for some of those things she has advocated for all along.
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Do you think it would have been better had she NEVER been willing to speak to Ben Shapiro, NEVER had recommended (it seemed very sincere) this channel, had NEVER began calling out the liberal policies that she voted for are failing? If you answer a "NO" to even 1% of ANY of those questions, than you and I are in agreement.
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I am not seeking a "gotcha" or "I told you so" moment, I am just standing behind what you have already gave a tiny bit of credit for doing. Now, maybe my credit is slightly higher, and that is an accurate way to describe it, than yours... but that is where we are. I also said that she cannot "unsee" what she has acknowledged were failed policies that she supported. This means, she will exercise more scrutiny going forward, because she has now accepted the consequences of that which she voted for in the past. Will she suddenly decide that she likes to be called a birthing person or person who menstruates? Will she suddenly decide that no bail for multiple time felons is a good thing, after calling them out...? It is "possible", but the likelihood is lower than a snakes belly.
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@sadpotatohours4846 ... I am 100% in favor of solar, wind and hydro, but AT THIS TIME.... they can only be used as supplemental to fossil. If we were to find a way in which we could be removed from fossil fuels and coal... FANTASTIC!
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At exactly NO time did I say any of those were bad things or that we should not utilize them. I said that they cannot REPLACE fossil fuels without devastation to the entire globe. China, India and some other countries are ever expanding production of coal plants, so we need to get them on board. The United states has INSANE regulations for emissions and places like Mexico, China and India have nowhere near what we do. 3rd world countries rely solely on such fuels and they are in no position to cover their countries in solar panels and wind turbines.
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Excellent... utilize more solar and wind.. I am right with you on that! Just because I recognize that solar, wind and hydro will not currently replace fossil fuels, does NOT mean I am against them or that I am in the back pocket of big oil. FFS... stop interpreting everything I say with the least generous and most negative possible motivation. There happens to be something INBETWEEN 100% fossil fuel and 100% green.
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Do you think it is possible.... just possible, to ramp up those green items and slowly replace the need for fossil fuels? THAT is how to responsibly address your concerns. However, that is NOT how Biden or the MarxistCrats of the Democratic party think. Right now... today, like it or not, America was 100% energy independent, the day Biden entered office. He killed the pipeline, shut down oil lease permits and told big oil he was going to put them out of business.
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Since there is nowhere near enough green energy to sustain us, Biden is dumping strategic oil reserves (designed for emergency use) and begging Saudi Arabia and other countries to give us the oil we STILL need. Guess what... that oil not only goes to another nations pocket, but then we burn MORE oil, to bring it across the world to feed our demand. So we lose American jobs, burn our safety reserve of energy, give more money to nations that hate us AND... cause more pollution by shipping the oil we need across the globe to American shores!
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That does not sound like a good plan, now does it? This is FACT and not speculation or me speaking for big oil. How about Biden admin provides tax breaks for big oil to seek alternate ways to refine or invest into solar or hydro? Tax breaks lead to creation of jobs. Those jobs bring more like minded interest into the issue of replacing our energy dependence.
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What I am saying happen to be objective fact. Has it occurred to you that "talking points" may ACTUALLY be ones objectively rooted in fact? Just because many of the people with whom you disagree are saying very similar or the same thing, does not, by default, make them false.
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I am not your enemy! I am NOT against you! I am against destroying our current source of energy, BEFORE we have the infrastructure to replace it. This not difficult to understand. This is having at a barn to live in, before you tear your entire house down to remodel it!
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How about you stop seeing me as an evil big oil supporter, because I am against ending our dependence on fossil fuels, BEFORE we have something that can replace it? Phase in solar, wind, hydro... PERFECT! Just don't declare war on the current source of energy when those others are not yet ready to replace it.
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@mera8785 …. Yes. That is where YT has the entire market cornered and in lies the problem. I was around in the early days when this was a small website for cat and crochet videos. I recall Google paying what was a MASSIVE amount of money, for a platform nobody thought was capable of generating financial profit.
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Well, here we are some 15 years later and that little website of cat and crochet videos has gotten so huge, they dictate the terms by which all other video platforms exist. They are all, as you said, cast offs of content YT doesn’t even want, so only a specific type of content is found there.
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I think the only way this will end, is if someone like Trump or DeSantis gets in DC and has conservative control of the Houses and Section 230 is properly updated and no longer being abused. Who would have EVER thought that conservatives would find themselvess in the position of fightighting for free speech. I remember the ACLU using ALL of its political muscle, fighting to allow the Notzees a permit to protest on Main St. USA.
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Gone are those days and the GOP has no clue how to fight for these social issues. This is like giving an 18 yo guy a 1 hour old newborn with zero resourses and in the middle of the forest, only to be tasked with raising that infant.
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@unnamedminus .. Problem was, that you look at the "redaction" squares all over the place, there was no way that it could be more than 1 or 2 characters. While it is not saying it was DW, it was very clear to anyone who realizes how many players in the conservative game, that it was DW. I don't have a problem with SC taking issue and wanting a lot of stuff changed, but was how he went about it and particularly the timeline of events. This deal was dead for over 2 months and SC decides to rake his friends over the coal, when he could have just done a segment on his show just discussing how "some" of his contracts were worded. No, he was deliberately taking aim at DW, even if he did not say so by name. The fundamental issue is that 50% of LWC is tied to 6.5M on YT and he has been on the edge of perm. ban for years. Sooner or later, he WILL be banned, but he IS making money here. He is not monotized, but his MC has grown due to YT and he does his ads as well as exposure. He is worth more more money than proposal, but a) that was a starting point and b) he cannot expect to have guaranteed money, when he WILL lose YT entirely literally any day. He does not even have to do anything wrong, they will make something up, as they normally do. That is not SC's fault, nor DW's fault, but since 6.5M eyeballs are on THIS platform, when it is lost, DW would be on the hook for 50% smaller audience and 100% of the commitment to SC. This all sucks, but so long as YT is the big player, DW has to assume that they will perm delete him at any point.
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@SirBlackReeds ... Technically, sure... but like DW or not.. they OWNED that proposal. It would have had less coverage for sure, had DW not responded. However, SC should have kept this private. He waited 2+ months to go scorched earth knowing that DW would be offended by his interpretation of that proposal. SC ommited enough and left enough context out (mostly the value that was a DIRECT component of the fees mentioned), as well as a few other things. Look, I like SC, I just think he handled this very poorly and will give ANYONE pause, to work with him. If he is willing to make secret recordings of phone calls with limited context and use for his video, that will send a message to others. DW, Jeremy and co. have been his friends for 10 years and that is not the way to treat a friend. I don't want to repeat myself, as I said it all above. DW deal was not good, but SC blew up his relationships over a proposal that WAS negotiable, but his terms were too high and DW bailed.
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@jesusfuentes9347 ... WOW, you just had to go there, huh?.. lol No, not a laughing matter, but we can see how contentious simple cell harvesting from an abortion can be, but imagine the image of an incubator with a legally dead newborn kept alive by machines, in order to harvest for others born with physical deformities and such... EEEK! Does anyone remember when this issue got VERY much into the public sphere when Ronald Reagan was president? The concern and in some cases it would absolutely be valid, that an aborted fetus could be "harvested" (drawing a blank at the moment for what this is called... someone help me) for such cells in the name of treating Parkinson's, cancer and such. Of course, we all know what would happen if we just opened up such cell harvesting from abortions, pretty much 98% of all abortions would be claimed as performed would be "not only for health of mother, but to help those in need".
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EDIT: Just did a quick bit of research and there indeed have been / are cases of the incubator babies being used for organ "donations". Talk about an ugly image of factory harvesting of infants.... quadruple x10 thousand EEEK!
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For quite some time, I have been very concerned about a civil war, quite similar to 150 years ago, but while it is CRAZY to say, I am in a strange way unhappy that it won't. Hear me out.... The true leftist is NEVER going to fit into the Western World society. They are too ideologically driven and will continue on the offensive until they are "removed" from that society. As it stands now, our society is becoming so broken, that by the time We The People wake the F up to see that this is NOT a political cycle pendulum swing, but rather a fundamental attack on ALL that the west was built upon, it may just be too late to save. Since there is no grand killing in the streets, many people just have no idea how bad it really is! We are absolutely in a civil war right now, it is just of dialog and discourse, so people that don't follow social media or consume something OTHER than just Joseph Goebbles Propaganda Machine, will never understand until it is far too late :(
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@SoulAir ..Hmm... this comment is not directly available on the video page, as I can ONLY see it via my notifications bell. This has happened a lot over the last couple weeks. Anyway....
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Hypothetical question: You are a doctor. You went to 10+ years of grueling internship, education and have probably $100K or so in financial debt or bills paid to become specialized in let's say brain surgery. Now, how the state comes along and say .."OK, Mr. / Ms. Nivididim, we will pay you $1200 to operate on car accident brain damaged man here". Since there is not a single person in the world, willing to go though ALL of the work it takes to be THAT brain surgeon, only to live in a 2 bedroom apt, so as to live under that debt and survive, exactly how many people would do such a thing? Ya... zero.
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@hope-cat4894 ... Let's hope so! What will likely happen is that society will break down SO bad, that even those who bully, beat up or abuse others, will fall victim to one who is bigger and stronger who does it to them! Just as we have seen with the virtue signalling of the leftist cult. There is ALWAYS a hierarchy and once the more agregious get "cancelled", those who are MOST virtuous, prey on those who cancelled others just less virtuous than themselves. The cycle repeats until those at the top, become fewer in number than those below and the tables turn.
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@surfingtheoceanoftheinterwebs ... WOW... but it sadly does not surpise me :( I live in Marin Co. and is probably a bit less liberal than your area, but is quite bad. As I mentioned in an earlier comment, there is NO reason whatever to print up different ballots regardless of mail-in or in-person. This is a special election with only 2 boxes to fill in. There can be no possible doubt that Democrats are behind the variations in all this stuff, if for no other reason than to inject confusion and such into the process. I have lost an insane amount of faith in what is, on paper, far and away the best way to elect a representative government.
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Of course, the rules bear very little to the outcome we get at the end of the day! The more this goes on, the more I begin to think that the current system for the last 250 years is going to have to be completely destroyed, as the Demoncrats are absolutely trying to do. THEN... we will have some twisted, psychotic semi-socialist utopia that will take 100 years to finally implode. At that point, some hermit scholar will be looking through a long lost civilization and come across the founding fathers documents. Like a lightning bolt, those documents will be "re-discovered" as the miracle that they truly are and our nation will start anew.
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@gorkyd7912 ... I am not sure I would. As mentioned, I was in construction for 35 years, so I may have not had the authority to stop the process, but having been in plenty of structures that were condemned, I would recognize the difference between a home in disrepair and one that is a threat to an occupant.
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We don't have the full story here. Clearly, those in the city offices are going to have to bare the responsibility for all this. I just wonder how much, if any, those who were on site asked themselves if this made sense. After all, this is not tearing down a fence over the property line or cutting down a tree that overhangs another's property, this is a home that represents $100K+ and FAR more in my particular part of the country (Marin Co., Comifornia)
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This is just sad, because through no fault of their own, the legal owner has to deal with all this crap, because those in the city planning office all have their arms crossed pointing at the other guy for responsibility 😿
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bastiat .. What in the hell are you talking about? Furniture may or may not be present, but in a condemned home, it is likely there are some disgusting ass couches with cushions that have been ravaged by rodents. It takes a LOT to condemn a home, because of the investment that somebody has in that property. I was involved with one or two properties that were condemned, because they are exceedingly rare, for reasons just mentioned. Those that were condemned, were obviously in gross disrepair and showed many, many signs of neglect to the point where it was clear that nobody was investing anything into the property.
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Since the WRONG house was torn down and there are many people making decisions inbetween a recommendation a home be torn down and ACTUALLY tearing it down, there were a lot of heads up a lot of asses on this one. Willing to bet, if you searched YouTube for "condemned homes", you would see that those that have been, are not somewhere you would likely choose to raise your family. There will be notices of failed inspection reports on prominent walls and a paper trail from various inspections that lead to the demand that it be torn down for safety concerns.
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Why don't you try to NOT be an ahole for a minute and recognize that maybe you don't have as much experience with these situations as others may. I happen to have a lot of experience with construction, so maybe my opinion has validity. Peace, bastiad 😉
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@Codex7777 ... Not sure to whom you are replying, but I will chime in here :) At the end of the day, when I say "leftist" or "Regressive" it is most certainly a derogatory term, but am using it not so much a political descriptor, but rather an "ideological" one. While both are probably 100% of the time on the political left, their view of the world is through that of immutable characteristics, such as skin color, race or ethnicity and follow the guise of identity politics.
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Dyson IS a racist... pure, simple! He views his lot in life as a victim of white people and does all in his power to promote that same thinking to anyone who is within earshot. When his influence is not working, he resorts to ad hominem attacks and does all in his power to drag others down into the gutter. That way, he or his followers, can "sound byte" clips from videos to straw man anyone who would oppose his views.
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I have already written a quite lengthy comment on this page regarding my feelings toward Sams continued opposition to engagement of certain topics. I have since read a number of other comments, including a nice one in response to my own, and am ever impressed with the way in which my fellow humans conduct discourse when in disagreement with another. This is NOT about Trump and voting machines... it is about censorship!!!!!!
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We all understand that we cannot elevate "crackpots" to the head table for debate on how "cannibalism is a way to thin the population". We are not asking that those whom ascribe to "MAP" be at that table, suggesting that children are really more mature than we give them credit. NO... we want the CONVERSATION! We did not get it in 2020 and we are still not getting it now, with EO mandates. We all get that the jab has been instrumental in the reduction of deaths, hospital visits and suffering, but to tell EVERYONE that you get one or you are ostracized from society, kicked off your social media and your page / channel deleted and the otherwise digital record of your thoughts / experiences that may be shared to others, must be ELIMINATED if you do not comply with the state!
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This is by far, the most dangerous thing a people can do and we are all watching it happen in real time. To be against "mandating vax" is to be "anti-vax", as the narrative is to continuously press forth and we have heard people say this in EXACTLY as many words. This is the absolute definition of authoritarian rule and is EXACTLY why America revolted against the crown.
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They say, whoever he hell "They" are... lol, that ..."Those who don't know history are condemned to repeat it". I understand that for well over 50 years, we have had Marxist indoctrination of our successive generations and that Gen Z is the pinnacle of that investment. However, Sam does know history, as we all do. Some with a much deeper understanding than others, but we know what happens when you tell 1/2 the country to STFU, you will do this our way and you will like it!
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You want a recipe for 1861 division....? We are well on our way to repeating that history that has been universally deemed a sad state in America's short history :(
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This Canadian trucker event is truly heartwarming! Jordan's opening remarks are exactly right, as leftist agitators (BLM, Antifa, angry authoritarian sheep of the State, Turd-eau and the like) WILL infiltrate and seek to cause problems. In all of my 57 years, I have NEVER, EVER, EVER seen such a huge gathering, regardless of the reason, be so incredibly peaceful and just committed to keeping it that way. Of course, Turd-eau is in hiding because he dare not speak to the "fringe, misogynist, homophobic, racist, white supremacist" that lay before his doorstep seeking only to be heard. There is just NOTHING in this world more deplorable in "acceptable society" than the leftists who demonize good, hard working people for wanting to redress grievances!
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I did not see the debate, but I have learned from vast experience that trying to communicate facts, logic, intent, context and attempt to correct misunderstandings to a leftist is a complete waste of energy! The leftists of this nation are in absolute control of information flow and they have no desire to understand ANY views outside of the doctrine. If anything is said or done that does not conform 100% to the cult narrative, such a person is cancelled, cut-off or otherwise removed from the conversation. I have said this before, but one day when this leftist house of cards come tumbling down, I don't know how we are to co-exist with them. The true leftist has no mechanism in which to forgive or get beyond what is considered to be true by definition of that doctrine. The moderate Democrats (the sane people that are afraid to actually stand up for TRUE liberal values) are scared into line with the extremists doctrine for fear of being an outcast. This leftist stranglehold on society will not end, until the moderates of that party stop rolling over like a scared puppy and stand against the extremists who have completely taken over their party and, indeed.... this nation!
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@kevintewey1157 .. What in the HELL are you talking about? It is quite obvious, you have an agenda, because you have absolutely ZERO clue about me, other than I support accountability for ones actions.
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How about you give me the following:
1) Tell me where / when / how I supported ANYONE violating The Constitution?
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2) Tell me why a billionaire has ANYTHING to do with your ability to prosper in whatever venture you see fit to try?
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3) Capitalism has raised more people from poverty than any system ever conceived. Capitalism is SPECTACULAR, it is the people who are bad actors / evil who take advantage of others. Go ahead and tell me an economic system... ANY economic system that allows people to thrive better than capitalism... I'll wait!
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Tell me, kevin... you are communicating with me via cell phone, PC, Tablet or whatever. Wanna take a guess HOW that is possible? Because YOU spent your money to purchase said item in order to improve your life. You take part in Capitalism, yet you condemn it! You seek to blame "billionaires" or capitalism for the ills of the world, because you are looking for someone to blame.
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You or your views do not impress me, so run along and spread your garbage to someone who will buy it... because I don't. Have a nice day, Kevin 🐱
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@TrueAfricanHero .. While I am glad that she is wising up, it is INCREDIBLY frustrating to constantly watch leftists who push the most insane policies, with literally ZERO consideration of the consequences of those actions. Anyone of 40ish yo and with a micro brain, realizes that putting a brand new roof on a home with a crumbling foundation is idiotic. However, here we are, watching Biden destroy America's energy independence, BEFORE creating the infrastructure necessary to replace it!!!! Grewsom and his merry minions of legislators and lobbyists, propose a vote to usher in the support for EV's, but given exactly ZERO concern for what it takes to actually implement it all. Ana and Cenk are talking about "govt assistance", but they are to GD'd stupid to accept that the govt just TAKES from you and I, pisses away a mega sheet-ton of the funds, lines their pockets and gives the contract out to the company who will provide the biggest kickback or gave the most money to their campaign.
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Ana is just now seeing where the rubber hits the road, because she refused to raise her head up high enough over the gas pedal to see the Grand Canyon gorge down the road that does not have a bridge!
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@beegood14 ... Yes. The Joseph Goebbels Propaganda Media Machine in America may not be run by the state, but with the identical political ideology and the indoctrination that demands it be regurgitated, they may as well be. The mainstream media has always leaned to the left, so bias was just something we had to account for when watching. The bias has gotten SO extreme, that it has gone light-years beyond simple bias and now has complete control of their output. This, in turn, has forced competing news networks, Fox, AON and such, to counter with more bias on their reporting, as extreme measures, demand a more extreme response. Fox, AON, Rebel News and the like, are way short of the degree of bias, but now has to address openly lying and 10K foot tall straw-man arguments and stripped context to a VASTLY larger degree than ever before. To top it off, the leftist media gas lights us all. In fact, the energy reserves that Biden opened up, were NOT for gasoline to keep cars on the road, it was to supply CNN, MSNBC and the rest of them with the fuel necessary to keep those gas lights coming!
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@sole__doubt .. Let me guess. You are a fan of Steven Crowder, well... I am as well. You think that DW works on behest of big tech and that when SC gets booted permanently from YouTube, that DW, or anybody, should continue to pay $50M or whatever the contract? Seems that you are happy to spend $50M of someone elses money, even though you lose 50% of the revenue generated by the employee. Look.... nobody, including myself, is going to argue that this was a good contract, as we know SC is worth that much money. Here's the problem... SC is a hair's breath from full cancellation 24/7, because we have seen it with AJ and others. SC does not want to be removed from YT any more than DW, because SC makes a LOT of $$$ on this platform. Yes, he does, but not due to monitization, but because he builds his brand, sells MC subs and has his ads.
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@sole__doubt ... EDIT: I just now found can see a reply that was invisible until AFTER I wrote the following. For context, I will leave this comment.
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I DID make several points, that I am more than willing to expand upon and provide other reasons why I disagree with your opinion. Your reply..."Im not here to convince im here to convey". Um, you did not convey anything, but your opinion. I offered to expand WHY I hold my position and you are unwilling to do so yourself. Please tell me again who amongst us is not providing an argument?
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Please tell me where I said or indicated in ANY way, that "... the more money a channel brings in the better?". What I provided was a very brief description of the things that show DW is NOT about appeasing or on the side of big tech. I can go on and on with many more examples. What you are asking me to do is make my case, so you don't have to do so yourself. This is called failure of presenting your argument in good faith. YOU said that DW works 110% for big tech, therefore, it is incumbent upon YOU to make the case as to why. Seems you are asking me to prove a negative and that is not how a good faith discussion happens.
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You are going way out of your way to avoid supporting your claim, so until you do, no good faith discussion can be had. Again... have a nice day, SD 🐈
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I will re-iterate that we should both refrain from staw manning, yet you have now done so multiple times! Yes... it is true that larger channels get away with things smaller ones do not. That is not something I support, just happens to be how things work in general. YouTube has a WHOLE lot more to lose from DW or SC leaving the platform, than say MY channel with its 72 subs and 9 videos.
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Please tell me how reality "proves they are in the club" and that I support them for that reason"? Yes, it is also true that once a business or entity becomes larger and larger, they have a greater amount of people to which they need to support, so I will not argue that compromises are and must be made. This is HOW business works and is unavoidable, because with bigger business becomes bigger responsibility to make sure that business survives. However, that does NOT mean that because they make some compromises, that this company should be automatically removed from being considered authentic or genuine. This depends on evaluation of each "compromise" as we see them and making the determination.
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DW does make certain concessions in order to remain on YouTube... just as SC or ANY conservative channel. This is because, whether we like it or not... YouTube IS the shark in the pond and we must ALL deal with that shark, in order to swim in it! If you feel that DW makes too many compromises... fine. No doubt they do make some, but the compromises they DON'T make, are the reasons I support them.
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Conservatives are in an EXTREMELY vulnerable position, so while I am not in lock-step with any one channel, I support those that fight the WOKE cult. DW has done more to fight the WOKE cult than many have. They do so by supporting JBP, Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro and others. YES... there are those who take issue with DW... fine. They have their reasons, just as you do.
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@sole__doubt ... I get that is your opinion and I both disagree and have expressed why. This does not mean I am lost any more than you are. Why is it that your opinion must be 100% correct and mine is 100% wrong? I accept that as companies / businesses or in this case, social media channels, have to compromise some things in order to survive. Here is the problem, if DW makes NO compromises, they are removed from YouTube and they have precisely ZERO voices on the inside for which to fight the culture war the leftist cult is waging upon us all. As you said, this there is no science to determine what can and cannot be compromised, but we must make that determination for ourselves. What is too big? What if the audience is as 100% committed to fighting the WOKE cult as that channel? What do you think it costs to produce the documentary "What Is A Woman"? Matt was flown across this globe to other countries and many, many interviews. You are aware that taking on such an undertaking takes money... right? Much of DW's content is demonitized, so they must fund their business and the many dozens of people via sponsors. Well, as you and I both know, there is no over abundance of companies willing to pay good money to advertise on conservative channels, because the WOKE cult WILL attack them and a MASSIVE number have folded to the fear of that mob.
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The pay wall allows users to get exclusive content for a fee and that fee PAYS for the machine that CREATES all of the content that fights the WOKE cult! If you don't see the value in supporting the channel, that is your option. However, to in any way equate a channel or business as in some way "selling out" (not your exact words, but sums up what you are telling me), because they have an option to charge for special services, tells me you have never run a business or company. Well, I have.... and it takes money to support the machine that makes the commitment to pay for it all.
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Go ahead and not like DW, but I won't call you "lost" because you and I disagree 🐱
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@sleepisthecousinofdeath7395 .. Care to take a guess at how much carbon emissions would be reduced if America was 100% carbon free in its pollution...? There would be roughly a 10%~15% GLOBAL reduction. This would make hardly a dent, in the predicted end of the world Greta's out there. How about you go and get India, China and many other nations that have ZERO concerns about it to clean up their act. America is light-years less pollution than any of these countries and guess what... we ALL share the same environment!
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Now, I am not even going to get into how many times I have heard in my 59 years that we are all going to die, due to climate and ozone. In mid-60's I was told by my school teachers that by the year 2K, ya... 23 years ago, the world would LITERALLY "run out of oxygen", due to the rate at which the Amazon Rain Forest was being cut down. How about Obama being ALL about climate change fear mongering, yet buying OCEAN FRONT property in Martha's Vinyard, I believe it is, like 5 years ago. Remember when in 2017 when Greta and AOC were telling us that in the next 10 years, oceans would rise and America would become slowly flooded...? Remember that?????
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Well, Obama is not moving away from that property any time soon and he has about 4 years to get himself a boat! I have no issue and am all for reducing pollution, carbon and protecting environment, but what we see from ALL of these corporations is ACTIVISM and virtue signalling... THAT'S IT!
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GTFO with your virtue signalling and "ESG" score BS, because that is ALL that it is! Besides, if the boycott harms A-B and they must reduce production of beer, doesn't that help the environment?
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@new_t9478 ... Exactly. The problem, as I see it, is with the trans "activist".
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I am 57 and live 30 miles from San Francisco. I say this, because I saw first hand and up close the long struggle for things like gay marriage. What I saw was a rightfully protesting group of people, wanting the SAME rights as everyone else. Now, to be fair, I think the BIGGEST issue that most have with gay marriage, is with the term " marriage". This is considered a religious term, as it is found in the bible. This is neither here nor there, but I do think it helps some to understand what much of the resistance was.
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What we are seeing today, is not the "LGBTQ community" (hate that term, BTW), looking for equal rights, it is the trans "activist" (Twitter outrage mob) DEMANDING that we unlearn everything the Western World has ever come to know about male / female and toss it all out the window! They have made this NOT about adults who have gender dysphoria, but about erasing the entire idea of male / female completely.
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Beyond that... they are telling us that children, as young as well below 5 yo should be consulted about or allowed to "decide" if they are a boy or a girl. This is ABSOLUTELY ABJECT INSANITY on every possible level. The trans "activist" is standing on the shoulders of what the G&L fought for back in the 90's, but without the reasoned approach they used to sway opinion.
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They are using language, cancel culture (another way to say "destroy ones life") and CEO's who have infiltrated companies to SHOVE trans down our throats. This is all going to backfire in the HUGEST way and is all because the ACTUAL trans community is not pushing back against this utter madness.
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There is a VERY fundamental reason why those who oppose LGBT for youth, as this is a NON-adult (pre 18 yo). The human mind is not even fully developed until about 23 yo and people aren't even done with puberty, until a year or two prior to legally being an adult.
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Going through puberty is difficult enough, but compounding that issue many times over, via hormone therapy or other medical intervention for those who have NOT completed puberty will can cause catastrophic damage to everything from reproduction to losing the ability to reach orgasm.
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The OVERWHELMING number of people have no issue with trans, so long as it is ... A: done via consenting legal adult and B: NOT imposed upon those who are NOT adults... That's it! Now, there are most certainly other issues, like public bathrooms and ESPECIALLY women's spaces, but those could be worked out, but the trans activist has ZERO patience to even discuss these issues. Their "tolerance" is trans go into any / all women's spaces and everyone can just STFU about it!
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There is ZERO light needed to shed upon the trans community, there is only the realization that tolerance is a TWO-WAY street! There WILL always be some that are simply not going to accept trans people... period! That is a very small number... but it ain't gonna happen, so that is just going to have to be accepted.
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The HUGE issue, is the pushing of gender and sexuality upon young children. This is inappropriate, as we need to let kids be kids. There is no place in pubic education for non-binary or ANY genders beyond male / female as these are the ONLY genders that exist. Even intersex, who comprise under 1% of humans born, are not a "third" gender, as they are a form of birth defect. That does not mean ANYONE should be treated with less than 100% human rights, but that we don't take many thousands of years of human existence and tell lies to children.
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@Morgan McAndrew who made excellent point about a week or so back. None of us want to see these girls or anyone else be shut out of any activity. They are in a currently untenable situation and just want to run like all the other participants. This needs to be about these girls entering competition that is fair to all participants. This is the ONLY issue in play here, as this is a female division and being entered by males... period. We can argue all day long about how difficult the lives of these transgender girls and all LGBT persons have to be accepted into society, but to use the girls track team as an avenue for social change is wrong and clearly backfiring. It creates all kinds of negative distractions for these girls participating in a sport that they love. These distractions have no doubt already caused some girls to not enter track in this particular school and is creating a negative environment in which to compete for those who remain. If it weren't for politics, this would never even become a big story. The school would simply say "This is a female track team and male students cannot participate". They cannot say that because they school is run by the state and the state is run by what.......? politics. Dress however you like, change your body in any way you like and call yourself anything you like and as long as it is consensual, be intimate with anyone you like. So long you treat people as you would like to be treated yourself, the path of least resistance will be found.
There is really only one possibility, as it is currently impossible to create and entire league for MtF runners, so they should enter in competitions against men... it is really that simple. These girls were born male and would creating a fundamental imbalance within probably ANY sport of choice to complete as female. They would face the exact same social obstacles, but unfortunately be exposed to insecure men that will see these girls as a threat to their own sexuality. This would turn the obvious advantage of MtF athletes into somewhat of a disadvantage, but advantage is EXACTLY what is being argued by the track team. If a transgender girl wants to have LESS disadvantage, she will need to train harder and/or modify hormone therapy. That may not be fair to a transgender girl, but her burden is currently being forced onto the girls track team and THAT is unfair.
The issue of social acceptance for LGBT is not the responsibility of the girls track team. It is the responsibility of society as a whole and those forcing the issue in this way are indeed causing harm to that social acceptance.
EDIT: hate type-0's :)
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@checkyoursixgaming OMG... I wish people would just read what I said very clearly above. It MAKES NO DIFFERENCE that the weapon was a prop.... I was assumed to be real, so a "threat" is legitimately perceived. I am 100 BILLION % fine with that, but her lack of trigger discipline is the ONLY strength the prosecutor actually has here. We KNOW it is crap that they are in any legal trouble, but welcome to 2020 and leftist politicians running so much of our country.
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@checkyoursixgaming ... Am I OK with cops killing children? You actually ask that question? You and I disagree on some EXTREMELY fine nuances of this situation and your go-to is that I approve of cops killing children? WTF! Why don't you sit down with Cathy Newman on Channel 4 and play the "so you are saying" game with her, because I wont.
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I am not a lawyer, I am just giving you a VERY reasonable interpretation of how a hell of a lot of people see this situation (without breaking down the fine points of state laws). It doesn't make one bit of difference of how you or I interpret the law here or what we think is morally acceptable. We both know that if the prosecutor has a stick up his arse to file charges, he will do exactly that. Maybe he doesn't believe he has a snowballs chance in hell of conviction, but he is just virtue signaling anyway and The Constitution and Bill of Rights are the ultimate victims here, so let's keep our eye on the ball.
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Regarding your last sentence and even if it will be thrown out of court... here they are in a heap of trouble because they (she) unnecessarily pointed a weapon at people. Even if they are 100% exonerated from any legal wrong doing, my opinion that they could have handled this differently will not change. If there was someone pointing a gun at THEM, my opinion would flip 180 degrees, but from all that I have seen and heard, this was not the case. You and I can kick this back and forth all day, but it is the McCloskey's who must fight for their freedom and deal with all of this crap directly. As we both know, if the prosecutor can get JUST enough leftists to agree to a trial, it only takes a few more on the jury to get a conviction. Even if the gov. pardons them, they would still have VERY likely avoided ALL OF THIS had the weapons been pointed at the ground an finger off the trigger.... whether it there actions are in line with Mo. law or not.
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You have pointed out problems, but offering zero solutions. How is it one can get those who REFUSE to hear.... to listen? I get that Zuby is "preaching to the choir", to use words I think you are getting at here, but short of driving around town with a giant speaker atop, seeking to reach those who intentionally ignore, what can be done? All that can be done is to flood the landscape (social media) with those whom are avoided, so that an organic change can be allowed to happen. I have had 50+ good faith attempts to reach across the isle and engage with those who are doing all in their power to raise the West to the ground. I do so, not because I am a glutton for endless straw-man, conflated, obfuscated and EXTREMELY bad faith discussions, but because I hope to chip away at the problems we can all see. I have reached a few, to at least a small degree, but that is some success, so I continue to try. I will not say it is not frustrating as hell, but to know that others are out there doing the same thing, helps us all to continue to push back.
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@drockopotamus1 ..... Thank you for a well thought out and considerate response.. 🐈bonk. The reason I mentioned zero solutions, is that it is easy to call out somebody, thing or policy for failing, but that is not offering anything in the counter that would be preferable. That person is and should not be required to provide some alternative, but it makes a far better argument to provide what one considers a solution or at least a better direction, then support it with something. I welcome push back and engagement, but it taxes me when one takes a "this or that does not work, so do better" kind of position.
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As for abortion push back, there are some with very harsh restrictions by very few on the right, but there no more than we have seen on the left. We saw a row of 4 leading women in the field of medicine on the Senate floor, who would flat deny ANY "line" of when abortion would be unacceptable. They were each posed the question multiple times and each time, obfuscated the reply. I felt some balance to that was necessary, so I felt the need to elaborate on it.
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I do agree that extremes, especially when argued with such MASSIVE gulf between their positions, serves no purpose whatever. It brings me back to the horrible daytime talk shows who seek the most opposing points of view and sets them upon each other for the camera. My biggest issue with those who disagree, is the failure on one or both of their parts to do so in good faith. For if even ONE of them is not doing so, the entire discussion is a complete waste. I have always sought to engage with ANYONE on ANY subject, but when it comes to the prevailing ideology we see that has captured the universities, for example... good faith takes a back seat. When this happens, there IS no reaching any agreement, unless one of them 100% abandons his / her position.
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@Anahi1991 .. Thank you, but I deserved to get punished for what I said here. I had not watched the video, but went on my general take of mandatory gratuities.
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As a rule, I do not like them. However, local businesses know the people and society well, so I have ZERO place calling them out for something they likely did NOT want to implement, but felt compelled, due to failure of gratuities. In the big picture, I would like to see society recognize the work waitresses / waiters do and accept to pay higher price for meals, so as not to require tipping, to give them a reasonable salary.
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Tipping was originally designed to be gift for a particularly nice experience, often enhanced by those who work the tables. I wish it was not necessary to make them mandatory, but in some cases... it most certainly is 🐈head bonk
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@hamnchee .. As mentioned... SF is 35 miles away from where I am sitting at this moment. I was born in SF and been there a hundred times, but not been back since 2014.
EXAMPLE: Homeless always take shopping carts to carry their stuff around. The Board of Stupidvisors passed legislation that if a grocery store found one of carts full of stuff, they must contact the police and the police would travel to location and put a ticket on the shopping cart. THEN... if the shopping cart was STILL in that same location 24 hours later, the store could take back THEIR OWN PROPERTY!
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They also, as you likely heard, passed legislation to make any shoplifting of LESS than $950 a misdemeanor and the courts will not prosecute / pursue any claims. Furthermore, they will arrest those who seek to stop the shoplifting, so the stores enact their own policies to stand aside when people steal. Well, as any moroon with a single brain cell can figure out, shoplifting has NO deterrents at all.
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I could go on with numerous other things, but THAT is now they operate in SF. There is zero wonder about why it has become a total sheet-hole. This proposed move, which WILL pass... is just one more insult to those who live in SF.
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@LucasFernandez-fk8se .. Yes, they could... but they won't. That Safeway is HUGE and the developer will not go that far out of their way to sacrifice the living space they could sell. The parking lot is not anywhere near as large as my local Safeway and Lucky here, but in order to satisfy the codes for that many square feet of retail store, they need to provide at least that many spaces PLUS spaces for the cars of those who live there. Of course, the City will force the developer to have 1/4 of spaces with EV charging stations, so that will cost more parking. If were NY, they could just build it taller, to handle all the parking, but the City will not allow the additional parking levels (elevation) that would be confined to the square footage of the existing building (Safeway), What they will do to grease the wheels of the City, is put a convenience store below, the size of a 7/11.
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I was in construction family business for 35 years, so I have seen all of these things. Not trying to be a dick, I just know how these things go and being in the City of SF... it will be a sheet show.
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@caledunsmore ... The glue has failed many years ago and had to deal with my two lower teeth missing for several days. Hard to speak well, looks TERRIBLE, people constantly asking about it, must be VERY conscious when biting into / tearing French bread or possibly biting on maybe a tough seed or something. One day the glue will fail again. My "stubs" that hold the bridge, will need to be cleaned and prepped, so the current bridge will likely not fit any longer. I will probably have to get a brand new one made, which will take at least a week, cost me probably $2K.
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So long as it remains in place, I am good. If it becomes dislodged, it will be a royal PITA and expensive / time consuming to get repaired 😿
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What happened to this guy was MUCH worse than me, but was same age and both of us were sucker punched by a guy who had NO reason to take issue with either one of us.
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@caledunsmore .. Yes. Not only did he lose several more teeth (mine were only two bottom center), but was a more violent and even more out of nowhere. In my particular case, I saw a guy laying in the middle of sidewalk, like 11:30 night, as I approached him (50 feet away), I was calling out.. "are you OK.. Do you need help?". He just got up and started charging me (while I was still like 25 feet away). I had been drinking a bit, so was not hammered, but pretty loopy. I was VERY taken aback, as it was so sudden. This guy was a LOT bigger than me and within a few seconds... "POW". He continued to charge me and I was in zero condition to defend myself, so I just bailed.
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As Mike Tyson says, "everyone has a plan, until they get hit in the mouth". Well, when sucker punched, you don't even have a plan... lol. This happened to me in mid-80's, so I am sure the technology has improved a bit. The bridge is no problem at all, once you get accustomed to being careful with hard foods and such.
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@odyseehasdislikesyoutubesu1892 ... Yes and no :) While I would agree that social media, in and of itself is NOT the problem, it is what makes the leftist agenda flourish. As "they" say... "a lie travels half way around the world, before the truth puts its pants on". We have a society that is far to quick to attribute the least generous interpretation of a given action and jumps to an immediate conclusion, far too often. That person then Tweets or blogs his / her thoughts and again... FAR too many are unwilling to invest even 30 seconds to see for themselves what context is required to understand and they then re-Tweet or forward onto their bubble. This creates an INSTANT firestorm of anger and since we have an entire generation of entitled brats who were not held accountable for their actions by parents who wanted to be their "friends", we get "mostly peaceful protests" over PoS like George Floyd, Rayshard Brooks and Jacob Blake. While there was some questionable judgement in George Floyd, the other two, as well as 98% of all other high-profile cases we hear about, were 100% justified. Of course, since Joseph Goebbels Propaganda Media machine, big tech (who is overwhelmingly EXTREMELY left wing), Regressives and Biden admin ALL want to push a specific agenda, social media collusion makes that agenda an absolute dream to spread.
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So while it is not "specifically" social media that is to blame here, it is the vehicle by which we are baring witness to the downfall of the Western World.
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@trevoravery9270 …. Is it wrong, to whatever degree you define it, to protest justice Kavanaugh in a public area by doing so outside of a restaurant...? Yes or no?
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If you answered no, than why is it OK to harass AOC in a public area?
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Neither approached that person, they simply were being rude to them in a public space, right? I did not say AOC is not a hypocrite of MASSIVE proportions or not greatly overstating and lied about what Stein said. I am saying, that while she deserves exactly what she got, she was harassed. Was nowhere even in the stratosphere of Kavanaugh, who gets death threats and a actually a literal physical would be attempt, but she was harassed.
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I prefer to say she was trolled, but in a legal sense, harassment is what it is called 🙂
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@JimAbbotts ... and it will continue to get worse, LONG before it gets better. For it to get better, the citizens need to stop supporting / voting for office hot just those who have a record of extremely liberal policies, but LOUDLY proclaim that they will implement them once elected. To this point, San Francisco, Chicago, Portland, NY...etc, simply not willing to look at what they see and attribute it to the choices THEY make.
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What this is doing is further bolstering the resolve of neighboring cities / towns / states to keep up with policies that reduce crime, but then have be EXTRA diligent, because people will flee the bad areas, to nicer ones, close enough to travel to job, yet bring those SAME liberal ideas and wreck the city in which they just moved!
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@jamesdonoghue7967 ... Even the kid who continuously rams his head into a brick wall, figures out that is not the smartest thing to do eventually... right? Society WILL learn, but it is it has taken this long, to recognize that the "leaders" they support and rise to positions of governing, actually have consequences.
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Statistically, there is no question, that some of them have made the connection and more are doing so every day. Crazy, how we said this is PRECISELY what would happen and history is littered with instances of "for every action, there is a reaction"... but the previous generation, failed to tell THIS one, of the warning signs.
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They will get it eventually. The problem becomes, will there be anything left to save by the time they do?
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@friedchicken4735 .... I agree, except there WILL be problems. I am not a doctor, nor emergency person in any capacity, but there will be a time when certain injuries are going to be more life threatening, if the person hurt is male or female.
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If not life threatening, an injury may be more "quality of life" related, depending on male or female. At some point, due to mass casualty situation, plane crash or something, and an emergency respondor will have to make a snap judgement on care for an person. Based on anatomical factors, a person who "appears" to be male or female, may not get immediate enough attention and suffer needlessly as a result.
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This is all speculation on my part, but willing to bet this issue HAS come up and a less than ideal call was made in the field. This could be compounded, should an ID be an "X", "non-binary" or say "male", but actually be a pregnant female who "identifies" as male. Imagine the lawsuit that WILL happen, if a woman, who appears to be male, has the ID saying is male, but is only due to mastectomy or something.
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This has probably already happened, but it absolutely WILL at some point and creating legal documentation stating the incorrect gender of a person can have some extremely negative consequences. Those consequences will cost the reputation of an emergency responder their job, reputation and maybe a lifetime of guilt for not figuring it out sooner at the time of the emergency.
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So long as someone is a legal adult, I have zero issues with transition, but we are introducing complexities that we cannot yet imagine and legal documentation that is biologically wrong, compounds this further :(
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PS> Here's a scenario. A responder sees an "X" on ID, but MUST be sure. Is that responder to visually inspect genitalia? Imagine the lawsuit that happens when an "X" person says they were "s*** assaulted" by that responder, because they visually checked or touched them between the legs? This sounds absolutely ridiculous, but this WILL happen at some point and will be a freaking mess of a legal situation. This is all because we want people to "feel" affirmed... SMFH!
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@nickkoyle3599 ... I have never watched any of Dore's work. I have seen bits and pieces, mostly reactions, so I don't have any legit opinion, other than what I have heard from those who do watch him. My understanding, is that he is not far left on all topics and willing to have a good faith conversation... as per what I have heard. Never watched any TYT, but seen a TON of reaction videos, so my bias is quite skewed against the channel. That said, most of what I have seen is from Sean here and while he is certainly biased against them, he will always give credit where due and is not one to utterly strip context from a Cenk rant and straw man him. Cenk is king of the straw man, as I have seen him say the most awful things about white people, conservatives and in complete context.
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We all have our biases and I am certainly no exception. My issue comes from where TYT is formatted as a "News" outlet, so when they, and Cenk is the king of this, remove very necessary details or context from an event and then built an ENTIRE segment / rant upon that false premise... the entire argument is complete trash. All news outlets, including Fox, AON, Rebel and all the rest, have and DO inject bias and frame in a way that caters to an audience that can create a "bubble". However, the right-leaning media, is ever on the defense, as we see monumental bias to the point of lies, by omission, as well as other issues. Quick example is the [convent+kids+native+man] a number of years back. I can point to more recent, but this was especially bad, as several got their arses sued off over it. The news outlets [we both know who they are], had the entire video exchange, yet maliciously edited it to appear as though this young man was mocking or [bothering] the native man, when this was 100% the opposite of events. He was said to have had a [fruit-punch+able+face] on national broadcast news, to the point where his family got [removal+threats]. These outlets HAD the entire video, but wanted to make this boy look bad, because [dark+pink+baseball+hat] wearing.
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@RawOlympia ... The "left" left us all, as the moderate liberals allowed a wholesale takeover by MarxistCrats and socialists those who would raise the West to the ground, in the hopes that utopia will simply spring up out of the earth like a flower. There are MANY abhorrent issues with the ideology that has now taken deep root with in the Democratic party, but chief among them is the outright demonization of those ideas that would challenge their position as "right-wing extremists" (this would be anyone who is 1 degree politically right of Nancy Pelosi). This level of pure narcissism has never before been seen on this scale in the Western world. There have and always will be those who are very self-righteous, but this is a whole new level and by those who have an EXTREME influence and incredible control over the flow of information.
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We MUST have liberal ideas to work in concert with conservative ones, but the degree of malevolent self-appointed arbiters of what is and is not acceptable discourse and "values", is very literally tearing society apart. The wholesale abandonment of all the values upon what the Western World was built, is a runaway train with the brake-lever broken off and headed directly for a sharp bend in the tracks, just as it is about to traverse a bridge over the Grand Canyon.
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Those of us who are still sane, are trying to reach across to those who have no interest in good faith address of issues, only to shove their idea of "values" down everyone's throat. I fear by the time we recognize that playing by the standard rules of discourse are quite literally not possible, it will be too late to stop that train. I happen to think that it is already too late, it just depends on how many of those train cars go off the end of that bridge into the canyon below.
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Yes... I am very [dark+grey+pilled] these days, as we cannot [resist] so many problems on this many fronts
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@RawOlympia ... The "left" left us all, as the moderate liberals allowed a wholesale takeover by [Marxist+Crats] and socialists those who would [remove+West+ground], in the hopes that utopia will simply spring up out of the earth like a flower. There are MANY [ab+horrent] issues with the ideology that has now taken deep root with in the [donkey] party, but chief among them is the outright demonization of those ideas that would challenge their position as "right-wing extremists" (this would be anyone who is 1 degree politically right of [former+speaker+house]). This level of [pure+narcissism] has never before been seen on this scale in the Western world. There have and always will be those who are very [self+righteous], but this is a whole new level and by those who have an EXTREME influence and incredible control over the flow of information.
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We MUST have liberal ideas to work in concert with conservative ones, but the degree of [male+volent+self+appointed+arbiters] of what is and is not acceptable discourse and "values", is very literally [tearing+society+apart]. The wholesale [abandoned+values] upon what the Western World was built, is a runaway train with the brake-lever broken off and headed directly for a sharp bend in the tracks, just as it is about to traverse a bridge over the Grand Canyon.
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Those of us who are [not+insane], are trying to reach across to those who have no interest in good faith address of issues, only to shove their idea of "values" down everyone's throat. I fear by the time we recognize that [standard+rules+discourse] are [not+possible], it will be too late to stop that train. I happen to think that it is already too late, it just depends on how many of those train cars go off the end of that bridge into the canyon below.
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Yes... I am very [dark+grey+pilled] these days, as we cannot [resist] so many problems on this many fronts
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@RawOlympia ... The "left" left us all, as [moderate+liberals] [allowed+wholesale+takeover] by [Marxist+Crats+socialists] those who would [remove+West+ground], in the hopes that utopia will simply spring up out of the earth like a flower. There are MANY [ab+hor+rent] issues with the ideology that has now taken deep root with in the [horse+kinda] party, but chief among them is the outright [de+monization] of those ideas that would challenge their position as ["right+wing+extreme+ists"] (this would be anyone who is 1 degree [politically+right+former+speaker+house]). This level of [pure+narcissism] has never before been seen on this scale in the Western world. There have and always will be those who [very+self+righteous], but this is a whole new level and by those who have an [EXTREME+influence+incredible+control+flow+information].
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We MUST have liberal ideas [working+with+conservative] ones, but the degree of [male+volent+self+appointed+arbiters] of what is and is not acceptable [discourse+"values"], is very literally [tearing+society+apart]. The wholesale [abandoned+values] upon what [Western+World+built], is a [runaway+train+brake-lever+broken+headed+sharp+bend+tracks], just as it is about to traverse a bridge over the Grand Canyon.
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Those [not+insane], are trying to reach across to those who have no interest in good faith address of issues, only [shove+idea+"values"+down+throat]. I fear by [time+recognize] that [standard+rules+discourse] are [not+possible], it will be too [late+stop+train]. I happen to think [already+too+late], it just depends on how many [train+cars+fall+end+bridge+canyon].
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@RawOlympia ... The "left" left us all, as [moderate+liberals] [allowed+wholesale+takeover] by [Marxist+Crats+socialists] those who would [remove+West+ground], in the hopes that utopia will simply spring up out of the earth like a flower. There are MANY [ab+hor+rent] issues with the ideology that has now taken deep root with in the [horse+kinda] party, but chief among them is the outright [de+monization] of those ideas that would challenge their position as ["right+wing+extreme+ists"] (this would be anyone who is 1 degree [politically+right+former+speaker+house]). This level of [pure+narcissism] has never before been seen on this scale in the Western world. There have and always will be those who [very+self+righteous], but this is a whole new level and by those who have an [EXTREME+influence+incredible+control+flow+information].
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We MUST have liberal ideas [working+with+conservative] ones, but the degree of [male+volent+self+appointed+arbiters] of what is and is not acceptable [discourse+"values"], is very literally [tearing+society+apart]. The wholesale [abandoned+values] upon what [Western+World+built], is a [runaway+train+brake-lever+broken+headed+sharp+bend+tracks], just as it is about to traverse a bridge over the Grand Canyon.
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Those [not+insane], are trying to reach across to those who have no interest in good faith address of issues, only [shove+idea+"values"+down+throat]. I fear by [time+recognize] that [standard+rules+discourse] are [not+possible], it will be too [late+stop+train]. I happen to think [already+too+late], it just depends on how many [train+cars+fall+end+bridge+canyon].
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@RawOlympia .. I'll try this....Truth, fact, agreement, logic, fact, fact, truth, reasonable opinion, logic, common sense, fact, logic reason, fact, fact, fact. Wow, that was easier than I thought and expressed everything I wanted to say, but was unacceptable by [over+lords+master]
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@snowwhite2524 ... 65 may be pushing the limits a bit, but your point is well taken. Term limits for sure, but we certainly need an age limit and particularly with POTUS. The president of US not only reflects upon America, but as the leader of a very powerful nation (nuclear weapons and its global position, though it IS failing for sure), an old man stumbling around, confused, telling EXTREMELY exaggerated stories, repeatedly, about his "house fire", is a VERY bad look. If Biden had the mental ability, he would recognize that HIS house fire is nowhere in the stratosphere of what the residents of Maui suffered. NOt to mention, he ignored the issue for a number of days, because he is a failed leader on many fronts.
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I am looking forward to this conversation. Particularly, since I have just recently had a 16 part exchange with a couple of people that troll comments on subjects discussing Jordan. Listening to the response of audience at his introduction, is yet one more indication of how most of the world views this man.
I do not mean to sell Mr. Zizek short, as I have not heard him speak, as of yet. My hope is that he inspires Jordan, as he then reciprocates and this always brings out the best in all participants of the conversation.
.... let the show begin :)
EDIT 1: Jordan just got done with his position on The Communist Manifesto and he was BRILLIANT!!!!! I am 55 and spend my career in a family plumbing business. Did not go past HS education and never regretted it, still don't. But, had I been exposed to Jordan when I was in grade school, I may have still done my family business, but would have done SERIOUS study on all of the subjects of which he speaks and had the richness of mind I feel today, throughout my early life.
EDIT 2: Boy, I wish Mr. Zizek microphone did not have so much static, as combined with his heavy accent, made him difficult for me to follow :(
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@underacheiver2000 ... I am thankful that Vince and the others are willing to do so. The WOKE cult relies specifically on frustrating those who challenge their opinions, because they have learned that it is not necessary to make their case, only to circle around with incoherent random statements, as if when added all together, make their case. To the WOKE cult, it is not about winning the position with facts and reason, it is about leaving others with no way to make an argument against insane double standards and false logic.
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Yes, they do! Parents have been failing their children for a full 3 generations now, but Millennials failed in the most catastrophic of ways. They were too busy "having it all" and allowed their children to be raised by nannies, baby sitters, public "education", TV and the worst of the worst EVER to be fall human civilization.... social media! The mass of Gen Z stand for nothing except self-gratification and destruction of ALL that afforded them the opportunity / ability / right to do so. The problem with indoctrination, which is beyond question what has happened here... is that those who have been, have NOTHING to fall back upon, but the complete ruination of all they had come to understand.
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Were society to "flip a switch" to instantly replace all of the HORRENDOUS ideas, understanding of history and reality of how the world actually works, their brains would be the robot in 1950's outer space "B" movies. Smoke will come out of the ears, arms flailing and "what are you doing, Dave" is all that will be heard. When their world collapses, and it most certainly will, we are going to see an absolutely MASSIVE surge in psyche patients and self-delete the West has ever known. It is going to take 3 generations to turn this around, only AFTER, society fully accepts that we need to do so!
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@burtreynolds8030 ... Yes. One consistent I have seen with ALL the creators I follow, is integrity. We all make errors and if we were 100% honest they are always avoidable. Whether by lack of due diligence, as Seantiago has admitted here or simply deciding NOT to say / report something, until it has been varified.
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ALL of us are guilty of this, but each of my creators OWN the mistakes / errors they find and goes as far as possible to clean it up. They either re-edit the video (losing ALL of the likes, shares, comments) and create a new thumbnail owning the error and with new / updated information. Hell, Matt Christiansen had spent MANY hours over 3 days putting together a 15 min. segment, only to find out that the INITIAL information everyone was working upon, turns out to be 100% false. This make his entire video useless, as it was built upon what was exposed to be bad information that everyone had.
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He chose to completely scrap the video and thus tossing all of his work. He was not happy to do so, but his personal honor is worth WAY more than trying to edit in changes and salvage his work.
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Yes. Back in the '80's and throughout time, really, the argument of men having a physical advantage in sports has been argued. Just because some women may have gone "bat shit" does not invalidate the fact that males muscular structure has a physiological advantage in this area. The "bat shit" response was/is due to viewing or understanding this premise as demeaning to women. This is not to say, that it has NEVER been used as a tool by some to demean women, but I am not here to give that minority of assholes a platform with which to say we agree. Let's not change the subject here..... if biological males complete against biological females in a physical contest, that biological male has specific physiological advantage. It does not guarantee victory, but the playing field is fundamentally unbalanced.
The second paragraph of the above post has zero to do with the concerns of the young lady expressed in this video. She is not against ANYTHING or looking for a convenient excuse to why she had difficulty competing in her sport, but the fundamental disadvantage created by the presence of biological males competing against biological females in the same contest.... that is it. She is not politicizing this issue, as that is being done by others.
On the third paragraph above... to this we completely agree, but is where I also take issue. This is a story of how this particular womens sport is being harmed by a fundamentally unfair practice, but is being used to fuel a political agenda by others (yes, I include you here). This girl wants to run. She wants to compete against other girls and be afforded the opportunity to advance in an atmosphere of fairness. She is not disrespectful or demeaning to ANYONE in even the slightest of ways, yet she is being demeaned all the same.
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Damn... Sam is a brilliant thinker and Joe knows it. He strategically draws him out and ends up with a wonderful conversation.
EDIT 1: Coming up around the 2 hour mark, Sam was talking about a guy doing some serious mushroom trippin' and claimed to know the names of all these different flowers and gave the mushrooms credit for some sort of spiritual enlightenment. I one time, although not on any drugs, was singing a song in a dream. Once I awoke, I was surprised, because I DO NOT know the words to that particular song. Well, what my dream proves is that I indeed DO KNOW the words, but am not consciously aware of it.
[Rod Serling Twilight Zone music here]
EDIT 2: @2:00:00 camera guy, Brian, as it wasn't Jamie back then, was giving us the 60's psychedelic acid trippin' backdrop for what Sam was saying.
[Jimmy Hendrix music here]
EDIT 3: As the video continues on, I am beginning to think Brian is just lazy and does't want to hit the "change camera" button... lol
Thanks to you both and the entire JRE team behind the scenes.
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Jesus H..... This is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES and cannot think his way out of a wet paper bag! His team, you know... the ones ACTUALLY making presidential decisions, are looking for the right time to get Harris in the Oval. I am not sure what they are waiting for, but when she does, it will become obvious what it was that Biden could not face as POTUS. It is obvious he cannot even handle the simplest exchange, much less a G7 or meeting with world leaders, so even though Harris will be WORSE, she is about a 10% improvement in answering questions. Her "team" will then spend the rest of her term, pumping out propaganda about..."first female PoC President to occupy the Oval Office" and ".... to use the Presidential pen" and "... to meet with BLM to discuss how to save black communities by eliminating the police" and, well.... you get the idea. Biden will step down due to some health ailment that can be easily separated from his EXTREMELY obvious metal failings by the mainstream media (as if they wont just lie about it anyway!). Biden is an F'ing joke and it is not only America who is suffering, the repercussions will be felt around the world for decades!
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@SomeoneElse-s5z .... Whether that is accurate or not, this is not the issue. One does not have to be an avid reader or even extensive knowledge of language or linguistics, only the ability to even moderately apply critical thought. When someone says ..."Trump is racist" or "DeSantis wants to teach children that slavery was no big deal or that slaves benefited from the experience", one should immediately be prompted to say to themself.. "how does one get to the position of EITHER of these men, yet hold such views?" and question if it makes sense.
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Well, there are two things in play. The first is that the last 3 generations were not taught HOW to think, as WHAT to think! Critical thought is the moral enemy of Marxism, socialism and communism. This is why the line..."If you can question something, it is called science. If you cannot, it is called propaganda" came to be. How many times have we seen the "reporter on the street" video's, in which a person with microphone asks stranger to... "provide a specific authoritarian, fascist, racist or homophobic thing that Trump has said or done"
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I get that they are edited for effect, but NONE of them ever has a legit answer. They are all regurgitated spewings of CNN, MSNBC or some other TDS sufferer who simply allows their hate to block ANY critical thought. My own mother does this, so I am very familiar with this response. My mom has been an EXCELLENT critical thinker all my life, but when it comes to Trump... there is NOTHING but hate from the deepest part of her soul. I never went past HS education and never read more than a 20 page book in all of my 59 years, but my willingness and ability to apply critical thought extends from one end of the spectrum to the other.
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This is why the hate is SO EXTREME. It is to desuade any and all possible considerations of independent thought that may lead to questioning the Marxist cult.
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@msagan75 .. True. However, it is not anywhere REMOTELY as bad on the right-leaning media, as it is the left. While BOTH employ strong bias, which would be best if did not exist on EITHER side... it is the leftist media that strips context and the full clip and insane degree more often.
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Quick examples: Look up the FULL unedited quotes of DeSantis talking about slavery and what should be taught in schools. The FULL quote of Trump talking about Charlotesville or when Medhi Hasan "quotes" ANYONE on the political right.
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I am no fan of the fed govt or 98% of those who "work" there. However, is we apply the old "lesser of two evils" standard, we can easily see that the Democrats have allowed a wholesale takeover, by Marxists and they are the ones pushing "trans kids", supporting children at drag shows, creating sanctuary states where children are driven right into the hands of "gender affirming doctors", OVER the legal motions of a parent in another state.
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There are very few extreme positions in the GOP, as it relates to any of the issues of current society. Of course, to the leftist, ANYONE to the right of Nancy Pelosi or AOC is a far right-ULTRA-MAGA white supremacist Trump supporting Hitler worshiper.
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@TaciturnTerror .. Those who say such things, never stop to consider how racist THEY are being. These are precisely the ones who KEEP PoC "on the plantation", as they say. Telling them that if they are brown on the outside, they must, what.... think like a "brown" person on the inside? Since this is a racist trope, we can trace the origin of such a statement, back to the time of slavery, when blacks WERE actively discouraged / prevented from an education, so this IS the roots of "thinking" as a brown or black person. So, to "think" like a white man, is to think as an educated person (as opposed to blacks who were kept from any education)
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So to call someone a "coconut" or "Oreo" is to TELL THEM EXPLICITLY not to think as an educated person. Now, can someone please tell me what is more racist than that?
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@@Ranidine26 .. Not a "hard" calling out, no... but he actually pushed back, which was absolutely unthinkable, just a year or so ago. Yes, the Capitol police are as corrupt as the FBI, DOJ, ATF and all the rest. This is why I feel Trump is the ONLY one who would be capable of taking a wrecking ball to the system. I don't know that he will, as nobody knows, but he CERTAINLY has the motivation and, more importantly... he has NO political future to protect.
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He can make an absolute moral enemy of the entire Democratic party, already has, but can cement it for all time, but unlike every other person running, he has no political future of which to be concerned.
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To make the difference ONLY he can make:
1) MUST have sound majority in House
2) MUST have sound majority in Senate
3) MUST retain / strengthen SCOTUS
4) MUST have the GD'd balls to tell the American people what he wants, where he is going and immediately rescind 100% of ALL Biden's EO's. He must get the wall built, America energy independent, then dial back a HUGE amount of the meddling in foreign affairs and work on America for a change.
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I have NO IDEA if Trump is gonna have all those things in a row, but it will also take good people to stand up and StOP COMPLYING with tyranny of the Democrats.
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@sleepykittyH ….Yup 😺 More frequent then I would like, I get comments or feedback that I am not pissed enough or pressing hard enough back, so am disrespected, as if I “am playing into the lefts hands” or “just a sheep who will just continue to comply, until we lose everything”.
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These people know nothing about me, only that I don’t fight back in the same way they do. Mid 2020, I got a notice of jury duty. I contacted the clerk and told her I was fine with jury duty, this is being honest, but I would not wear a mask, under any circumstances. She gave me a reprieve, for 6 mo. because she thought requirement would be over by then.
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Fast forward 6 mo. and still required. I again reiterated my stance and she said, too bad, you have to wear a mask. I told her I would show up at the courthouse, but when the people at the door demand I mask, I would refuse and they were going to have to arrest me. I went on to say, that if I was to be required to wear a mask ANYWHERE they take me, I would continue to refuse.
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I fold her this was 100% non-negotiable under 100% of circumstances and if anyone attempted to force me to wear a mask, they would literally have to incapacitate me via stun or gun. If so, when I awoke, I would rip the mask off and it would start all over again. I was not kidding, but I was not rude or a dick about it, just that this was, and remains, a hill I will absolutely and literally die on.
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She finally sent my “request” to the judge, along with this string of about 5 emails laying out all of the above. He refused to contact me, so along came the evening when I was to call in after 5:00 PM and confirm if needed the following day.
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I was excused 😺
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@spacetruckerdan6827 ... Cenk most certainly makes himself an easy target for memes and mockery! Cenk is the UNDISPUTED KING of straw-manning others and it is simply impossible to believe that he ACTUALLY thinks Kyle Rittenhouse's actions can simply be explained away by a white supremacist that just wanted to hunt down people to kill.... can he? (not asking you.. rhetorical) I get that he supports the actions of literal terrorists, like BLM & Antifa, but how can one become so catastrophically driven by an ideology to have essentially zero ability to view such things with any objectivity at all?
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I am not telling you anything you don't already know, but damn....TYT, mainstream media, Regressives and Biden admin are pure evil in my book.
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@michaelbarker6460 ... Since this comment is not "@" anyone, I am going to figure it is to me, so will address it. It is a fair question you ask, because 100% of the people who have ever existed on this earth , does indeed have a bias. Yes. if someone says something that is true, it is and will forever be true, so to condemn both Sam and Neil as I have, is not a valid excuse to dismiss them entirely. My concern is the very obvious corruption that has forced Sam, to abandon the core values I had heard him speak about multiple times... free speech and NDT to abandon biology, to appease the WOKE cult.
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Sam recognizes that free speech is a most core value, as we cannot debate things, if someone with the ability to control the dissemination of information, has deemed someone as NOT WORTHY of free speech. Both Sam and the overwhelming number of social media and big tech platforms have done precisely that . Twitter DELETED a sitting POTUS account (Trump), due to the internal decisions they made, to "decide" that he is not worthy of free speech. They had determined that since they do not like what he said about "A", he is therefore unworthy to be heard to speak about "B". Several of the mainstream legacy news media (Maddow on MSNBC spoke of this directly) opted NOT to carry Trumps weekly, I think it was, talks with reporters, saying... [paraphrasing] .."if Trump says something of importance, we will carry the press conference". Well, talk about the GD'd frigging arrogance for MSNBC to be the SOLE arbiter of the worthiness that the world should or should not hear, what a sitting POTUS has to say! This is the epitome of hubris, yet this is totally common place and accepted practice of the vast majority of platforms.
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Gotten a bit off track, but only to show that some bias are carried to the extreme and they have the ability to KEEP people from hearing them. In the case of Sam and NDT, I have chosen to personally no longer follow anything they have to say, because the corruption of absolutely core principles have been abandoned. I have no power to stop them from sharing that information, nor would I do so had I the means. Neither are wrong about the truth they tell, but since Sam cares about free speech, until it is Trump and NDT only cares about biology, when it no longer is politically expedient to do so... I will have nothing to do with either.
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A bit long winded, as well as sidetracked, but I think that answers your question. If not, do chime back in, as I am always willing to have a good faith discussion with anyone about anything 😸
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What a good looking family with brains to boot [<----- pronounce that a Canadian, ey] ❤
EDIT: I really like where Julian and JBP were going in that @33:00 mark. The idea of just getting those thoughts down and LATER making sense of them. I learned this the hard way, and still fail at times, to not just STOP.... make notes! If I keep going, I will very often lose that thought and may never return. EXAMPLE: Probably, 20 years ago, I was watching late night TV and a show featuring live unsigned bands. I was VERY impressed by this group of 17 yo metal influenced FANTASTIC instrumental only music. I was laying in bed and did not want to walk across the room to get some paper and WRITE down the name, as a website was given, so I hoped I would remember. This has now been that 20 years and I actually regret not getting up and making note of that bands name. Seems silly, but I STILL think of that event, whenever I try to talk myself out of making those notes, while they pass through my brain.
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@Galilelo_Telescope ... I completely disagree, that govt. should be doing this, because the "govt" spends OUR money and very poorly 99.9% of the time. For the state to pay for these surgeries, is to mandate socialized healthcare and cannot be done, without stealing labor from those who would provide it. This is a an ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE subject, but if the govt EVER got control of universal healthcare, it would be a CATASTROPHE! When we remove competition, we remove incentive to improve, services, quality and access. If the feds took control, they would hire 300K full benefit government employees, spend 85% of the tax revenue on them and piss away the remaining 15% on rationed services.
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@housewilma4904 ... The problem is that the people who do such terrible things as this, were not raised with the respect for human life. I get that this child is 13 yo, but I sure as hell never considered killing someone with whom I got in a bad argument or fight, when I was that age. For you and I, shame is how we address bad behavior, this goes WAY, WAY, WAY beyond bad behavior, but is because you and I understand that this is the incorrect response to deal with this dispute. Therefore, you and I WILL feel guilty after the fact and shame will just hold up a mirror that we don't want to see. In the case of those who attempt to kill another over stupid things like this, have no such guilt, because they were never taught the most basic values of all... respect for other human life. This is behind the organized flash mobs that raid and destroy stores or when we see 5 kids jump 1 and beat them mercilessly after they are down and literally unconscious.
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PS> I have no words to explain the depravity of what the judge has done, but the fundamental issue is how we got to the point where a 13 yo would do such a thing as this.
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@burnttoast4424 ... OK, you are correct!. I will grant you that Affirmative Action is ABSOLUTELY systemic racism. However, in the context in which it is used on a daily basis by the WOKE cult, they ONLY that which they claim is written in to law that directly harms blacks.
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Even AA was overturned in SCOTUS a while back, but it is without ANY question, that colleges / universities WILL find a loophole or simply ignore it.
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@M1sterE321 ... I had for a moment, suspected a bot, as I have seen more than just a few in the last month, but I figured it was kind of a trick question, of sorts. Many are absolutely convinced that there is "systemic" racism, because... reasons. They have bought into the endless race-baiting hoaxes and while 98% of them are proven false withing less than a day (nearly all remaining are proven false later, with a microscopic number being aggressive force), the convincing has been done already. My suspicion is that Jacob was laying a trap, to see if I fell into it, by downplaying or trying to separate Jim Crow or slavery from the equation.
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@Hobbit Homes ... I am not altogether sure it can be saved any longer 😿The question is not that the cult will lose this fight, because they most certainly will, but how much damage can they inflict before doing so. Beyond this, how is it we can live amongst those whom have decreed you and I as evil? This is why the "Peaceful Divorce" idea will never work. Even if it were possible to divide up resources, in order to split the country, which cannot be done, BTW.... is it reasonable to consider that not only will the leftist cult leave us alone, once done, but will even abide by an agreement they make with the devil (their view of conservatives)? No, they will not negotiate in good faith, nor feel obligated to abide by any deal that was made. The cult is self-righteous and feels no obligation to treat those outside the cult with any level of decency.
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@nunote2362 ... I am 59 and as mentioned prior, this has always existed, but was not the "norm" it is today. Obviously, there are parts of the country or inner cities when over the top and need to consider gang's, as these are in overwhelming cases, issues of "terf".
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My point still stands. The average person who got in a fight, typically at school over some slight, legit or otherwise, was not a death match. I am not, nor have not said that such things never happened, because this is clearly not true. I can see, over the course of my lifetime, that the instances of fights turning into multiple people on one and often times, people who simply wanted to "get in on a beat-down", join in for a few kicks to the head, when the person was clearly unconscious or far too injured to go on.
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This is a special kind of malice that stems from a fundamental lack of respect for human life and is vastly more prevalent in particular demographics. The primary of those, being fatherless homes with no proper male role model to instill those values and "fear" how dad would respond when the school called and said hit child was threatening / bullying another child. We have 3 full generations now, whom have been increasingly more indoctrinated with an "us vs. them" mentality of oppressed / oppressor.
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@victornieves1794 ... Of course they did. The other day, there were 76 comments listed on a Lauren Chen video, so I logged out of my account, went back to page and found a total of 34, I think it was, and included all of the replies.
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There was 50%+ comments deleted or hidden and only the person who posted can tell the difference. One of my creators just got his channel susp. for 7 days, over a "bullying / harassment" comment from a LIVE stream 4 weeks ago. Refuse to tell him what it was or even if it was one of the hosts. This could have been a Super Chat, that had some darker humor, but will not tell him.
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The issues is intentionally kept vague, because there is no proper policing to correct the wrong-thinkers "error of their ways"... it is about punishing conservatives. You can tell how many comments are hidden or deleted, as the "comments" total listed atop is actually how many there are and the "replies" listed are how many their were. So this thread says 23 replies (25 including the one I am responding, as well as THIS one), but as per your counting, there should now be 22 right now.
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@simonstonesifer4951 ... Yes. The analogy of "two wolves and a sheep discussing what is for lunch" is about as good a descriptor as it gets! The leftist thinks ONLY with emotion of the moment and ads NO other considerations to the equation. They seem to think that since the state is completely controlled by the Marxist cult of ideology today .... it will remain so for the rest of time. Since the education system has catastrophically failed them, they are under the impression that the existing power will remain that way for the remainder of all time. They cannot comprehend that one day, the tables WILL turn and the new powers will have a VERY different idea and turn what is of HUGE benefit to them today, will destroy their entire world in the coming years. By destroy, I mean undo all of the damage the Regressives have succeeded in reeking in the last 5 years.
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Now, society will take a HELL OF A LOT LONGER to fix than overturning CRT and trans in women's sports, but it WILL eventually happen, if not in our lifetimes. Leftists seem to think that the, what... 10,000+ years of human history?, those people just got it all wrong. They just flailed around and never got society right in all that time, and ONLY in the last 5 years have we figured out that none of what we had learned in that time was worth a sheet! It's funny, yesterday I was replying to a comment on another video. The guy called me a "narcissist" for praising the conversation as an amazing one (literally 2 years ago!), between Zuby and a man that has now been accused of killing multiple people in just the last couple days. He called me out by saying ..."the guy you called amazing, just murdered 5 people", and in a follow up comment, he said I should learn to spot ... "narcissistic behavior" better... lol.
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Since the video comments were removed shortly after his post (my notifications still display his response), I was unable to not only praise him for being able to see the future 2 years off, but chastise him for not warning police of Mark David Chapman PRIOR to his murdering John Lennon. Or his hold grand father accountable, assuming his incredible talent of foresight is hereditary, for NOT killing Hitler when he was a small child, only to later begin WWII.
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To think... he called ME a narcissist! :)
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@monsterhunter445 ... Yes. she is far left. Although not nearly as far as AOC or some others, but her lack of back bone to stand up for what she has proclaimed in the past, is one of my biggest issues with her. Back when Clinton was under fire for his lies about what happened in the Oval with an intern, she said that we should not proceed with impeachment as there was not enough bi-partisan support and would divide the country... to this I agreed.
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Fast forward to Trump... she said she would NOT vote to impeach, but then gave in to Regressives pressure and voted for it 4 separate times!
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There was not even CLOSE to bi-partisan support, but she has TDS, so there it was. Now take a look at Jan 6th and how it was a "threat to our Democracy" crap. No.. it was a riot, not unlike the BLM & Antifa riots she supported for over 9 months!
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EDIT: My last line was incorrect, as Jan. 6th was NOTHING like the "mostly peaceful protests" of those 9+ months! BLM, Antifa and their followers were responsible for hundreds of millions of dollars in damage, destroying countless businesses and lively hoods of hundreds, if not thousands of people. There was rampant destruction of LITERALLY anything or anyone who befell their eyesight and some 34 or so people were MURDERED, while many were beaten close to it. We witnessed a federal building barricaded with many people inside and the attempt to throw Molotov Cocktails through the window and BURN THEM ALIVE!
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Where the hell was Pelosi and these PoS Democrats about that! This was a federal building, while not as politically significant as those involved on Jan. 6th, there was an ABSOLUTE AND INTENTIONAL desire to burn those people, mostly officers I understand, to death while they would have cheered like it was V-day, 1945! Pelosi is a PoS and she is leading the charge on Jan. 6th "insurrection" in order to froth up hatred of conservatives and most particularly.... Trump!
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Hard to imagine how terrified the Democratic party fears this man, yet Pelosi and her party are still fixated upon him, as if he were still writing "mean Tweets". I am getting waaaaayyyy of track here, but suffice to say, you can call Pelosi anything you want, but regardless of the words decide to use, those I use will be far, far less kind :)
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@haku8135 ... DING DING DING +25 purr credits to you for stating what is so obvious to all but the cult!
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In a not so small way, this case contributed directly to not my NOT watching a Zubinator podcast yesterday, in which he had a lady, who after the video has been released, likely has a very good case for police misconduct. Obviously, this happens, but 95%+ of the cases we see people INSTANTLY screaming about, were completely justified actions by officers.
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This particular case is a perfect example, as we hear nothing about it any longer, as the video proved the guy did all he could to escalate into a situation that was totally unnecessary. Hindsight is always 20/20, so we sit back in the comfort of our living rooms, dog laying next to your feet, cup of tea right there, completely relaxed and cry foul. It is 1 day after the fact, from a TOTALLY different visual angle and ZERO stakes on the line in any way. We say..."woulda, shoulda, coulda" from that comfort and condemn a cop and is EXTREMELY often, we have information that he could not POSSIBLY have known.
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Exactly how many times has Crump held a press conference and OWNED the evil he has wrought and the incitement of hate and violence, that WILL make its way into future traffic stops and generate a self-fulfilling prophecy?
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@kariahl8845 ... The issue with American criminal justice system, as with ALL systems, ultimately falls to the people who operate it. Our criminal justice system is the FINEST ON PLANET EARTH without one microscopic iota of a doubt..... on paper! I don't know how to stop corruption, ignorance or those who would lie, cheat or steal to gain political, financial or societal gain by doing so. Sometimes... people are NOT any of those things, but are just wrong, biased or some of each. There is no justice system in the world that is without such problems, but I can tell you this. I would not want my fate in the hands of ANY other countries justice system and I think you would probably agree :)
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At the end of the day, the overwhelming VAST majority of why we have so many anti-social people, is that too many parents fail their children. For this, we can only look at ourselves and accept our responsibility for the society that WE have created :(
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Mark Harris ... I would approach it in the identical way. While all of these things were 100% true at the time of his murder, it takes a certain amount of time for ALL of it to not only be digested by the legal parties, but accepted as well. Once a trial has ended, the losing party examines it all and looks for things that may have been illegal or mishandled in some way and we need to allow time for that to happen. We HAVE seen cases, Thin Blue Line being an example, of when someone was wrongly convicted and may have been put to death. Such events MUST give us pause, if we are to be a morally grounded society that is based upon tenants of the Ten Commandments.
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What we see here is that the system worked as it should, in the sense of exercising appeals and making sure we don't get a person recanting testimony and the like. What happened in THIS case, as with many.... activists! They, HollyMarx in this particular case, have VASTLY more influence on society than they aught to and for unconscious reasons, people will hear a very famous actress make a claim of racism or something and the idea catches fire among media and then society. There is literally ZERO reason why Denzel Washington should have any more credibility than you, me or any random stranger on the street.... but they do :(
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Once a large contingent of very influential people get involved, we all pop our heads out the window to see what all the fuss is about. When we have social and mainstream media willing to outright LIE, either by playing semantics, obfuscating or omission, people find it difficult to dismiss, because it is done with not only great conviction, but on video. Such communication is a POWERFUL thing and its influence should never be underestimated.
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@kariahl8845 ... I apologize :( I did not mean to suggest that you did, but I can see how I wrote my comment, it might have suggested that :)
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As for the actual "system" being at fault, I would 100% disagree, as it is the people who mess things up. If ALL arrests were handled in a completely objective manner and to the letter of how it is written on that paper, we would have exceedingly few complaints about it at all. As far as I can tell, this case was textbook per that "paper", but only got screwed up now because of activists getting activated.Of course, we humans are NEVER 100% objective and there in lies the rub!
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I am sure if we looked at all legal proceedings of all cases ever tried, we would find things that fell through the cracks, so to speak. There are literally infinite variables that can happen and there is NO system of any kind that can account for them all in every way possible. This is why we have a lengthy appeals process, court appointed lawyers and such, because we sometimes see long after the trial, that someone has a few too many and spilled the beans to someone and perjured him / her self. It is for this reason that I am not in favor of immediate execution, if a verdict of capital punishment is given.
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Again, we can always find cases that were seemingly failed by the system, but we can look at every one and find where someone intentionally or otherwise, failed procedure in some way. Bill Cosby is a perfect example. While he admitted to drugging one woman, he had a deal with the then prosecutor that it would not be charged, in order to plea to other things. This is EXCEEDINGLY common in the system, but it was a replacement prosecutor who used that protected admission to imprison Cosby. While all of us may agree that he is among the worst of the worst, when it comes to how he treated many women, it was absolutely the correct thing to do, by letting him out of prison. It is the prosecutor and not Cosby who royally F'd up here, as far as his release from prison is concerned.
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Derek Chauvin has filed an appeal and is likely due to the images we have all seen of one jury member who was well aware of BLM and even had a t-shirt in that photo, yet claimed non-bias when he was being selected for jury duty. While this does not exonerate Chauvin's behavior, there was VERY clear misconduct by a jury member and he is the one who should be blamed, if Chauvin gets a new trial. If BLM rampages through America again, I will blame them for what they do as well. There are many issues about that particular case that were not handled well, but in the court of public opinion, rightly or wrongly, a MASSIVE amount of earths population witnessed what they believe to be the murder of George Floyd.
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Hopefully, this governor will get the message from objective observers and see that commuting his sentence would be a slap in the face, not only for justice, but for the family of the victim :(
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@kariahl8845 ... Your right! After I wrote 100%, I took a little pause, but I believe I covered those anomalies a bit later in my comment. However, the judge determines bias is true, but a judge has bias of his / her own, so this STILL falls back to the people who operate the system. Based on this criteria, it can never be possible to have a "fair" (literally impartial) trial, therefore would be grounds for a mis-trial 100% of the time... see where I am going with this? The idea being is that both attorneys have the ability to challenge the judge on a particular ruling he or she makes during the trial and that is a check and balance thing, as written on that "paper". Of course, BOTH attorney's have a bias, as well as the jury members and we can go on and on. The system understands there is bias, but since it cannot be removed from the equation, there are ways to address an issue when bias is believed to be influencing the proceedings and there is literally no other way we can do this.
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Both attorneys even have such power to ask the judge to recuse him / herself and there are other procedures that can get other judges involved to determine bias, if the issue is pressed hard enough. Yes, there are most certainly rulings that enable the ability for others to abuse, but again.... this is absolutely unavoidable and there are procedures in place for an attorney to call out bias, mistrial or other when it is believed to have occurred. Sometimes this is not noticed or picked up until well after the trial has concluded.
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As for mandatory minimums, yes.... that would seem to be a "hard line" as dictated by legislation or laws passed by citizens. However, no matter HOW definitive that law or legislation, there is going to be extenuating circumstances in nearly 100% of those cases. That is why a judge has to do exactly that... judge. It then becomes the attorneys job to decide if that judgement was fair or shows a perceived bias.
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As for underpaying for a soda, seems like you may be getting at the 3rd strike laws? If so, we have to consider that a person has already had 2 felony convictions, so when he steals a piece of pizza, which was one highly publicized case, he goes to prison for life or whatever the mandatory sentence is for that crime in that state. Such a sentence is NOT because he stole a piece of pizza, it is because he used a knife and has gotten two chances already and failed to live up to the agreement he made when released from that second conviction. I get that it sucks going to prison for stealing a slice of pizza, but that is NOT the actual reason he is going away again.
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If I am understanding you correctly, you feel that the judge should have called for a mis-trial, once it became known that the jurist lied... am I correct? If so, than this again falls back to bias, procedure failure or whatever legal reason and is but one of the way in which the system works to correct human "errors", let's call them. I am not a lawyer, nor was I involved in that trial, obviously, but IMO, the judge seems to have violated Chauvin's rights and hence the appeal that has been make is all but guaranteed to include that action within the document filed by his attorney.
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In conclusion here... I do get that no matter HOW hard we try, no matter HOW many procedures we have and no matter HOW much we want to get it right, there are just too many people involved. 100% of them, through action or inaction due to personal bias, has the possibility to have a direct impact on the outcome of a trial. Since we cannot possibly remove all of those from the equation, we also have done our best to not put the death penalty on a perfect citizen in EVERY single societal valued way, until that one day commits the most horrific crime imaginable. When this happens, such a case is always tried as a mentally deficient person, maybe a minor, and we don't sentence capital punishment on such people.
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So, we have to make a decision. Either we do the best we can as a people, and admittedly we certainly fail at times, and permit capital punishment in states that allow it OR lock them away until the end of time. We have to weigh these options as they BOTH come with a very high price. One in living with the execution of a person who may be found innocent at a later date, although exceedingly rare, it has happened. Or two... lock them away and pay a monetary price in building more prisons and taxpayer support until the end of their life. Or three... discuss rehabilitation and all three have drawbacks that can have a VERY difficult outcome with which we as a society must reconcile.
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@kariahl8845 ... As I mentioned earlier, we can ALWAYS take individual cases and hold them up as a good or bad example of 3 strikes. There are going to be just as many that were fairly administered, in a sense we would have agreement, as those that were not. Specifically in the case of the person who failed to put the correct amount of money, I am not familiar, but that is also a petty crime and not a felony that led to a 3rd strike and therefore life in prison. If it DID, than I would need more information, as I would be willing to bet there is more to the story, even if you are not aware. I am not seeking to be an apologist for any type of failure upon the criminal justice system, but you and I both understand there is always more to a story than gets reported. We need only look at the exceedingly left-leaning media which painted The Covington Kids as white supremacists, very simply because some were wearing MAGA hats. The mainstream media is ALWAYS going to seek the heart-strings point of view to paint a picture of unfair treatment in the justice system, as that is what they do. Just look at the case of JJ right here and how many have very high profile platforms and flat out lying about this case. Again, we can go tit for tat forever. There was a case in my home town, where a drunk driver on a motor cycle blew a stop sign and struck a man walking his daughter in a crosswalk. She was killed, he lost a leg and was hospitalized for many months. The driver....? he already had something like 8 felony convictions for driving under influence and proceeded to covertly flip the bird to the victims family when he was in court.
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Just like the example you gave that appears to be a miscarriage of justice, so is this one. He was given WAY too many chances and continued to piss them away. Just like virtually EVERY criminal that has been convicted several times, it is not realistic to assume these are the ONLY times he she committed such a crime and got caught 100% of the times he perpetrated one. I get that you are not for capital punishment, as you are certainly not alone. This topic is might be 2nd in controversial, to that of Rowe vs Wade.
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I think that you and I have gone about as far as we can with this and we just disagree on a few points. While these may or may not be about lives being unfairly taken, they are points that will NEVER be rendered "acceptable" to both sides of the opinion on capital punishment. I will add one more thing, that I forgot to include in earlier comments. Just because a person has a bias, does NOT mean he / she is is automatically going to be driven to error because of it and therefore incapable of being objective. While you may be more inclined to spot the times punishment was incorrect or in humane, as you put it. I am more inclined to point out where the system failed, by giving a person too many chances and left one or more victims on a long list, that should NEVER have been victimized at all, for a system that failed in the opposite direction.
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Peace, Kariah L. I think we had a good exchange here and while I don't think either of us changed our position, I think it fair to say we gave each other something more to consider when forming our own position, at least I hope so :). This conversation is EXACTLY why this nation will forever be divided, as to how we deal with those who enter the criminal justice system. It is most certainly difficult to get out of a revolving door, we must remember that before one seems trapped within that door, he / she had plenty of chances to avoid it, likely many years earlier via programs specifically designed to support 1st time offenders. Some will get trapped easier than others, but we are a forgiving nation. However, seeing the injustice perpetuated upon THIS family, by way of possible release in lieu of death sentence or even life in prison for JJ, is every bit as unfair as the guy and the soda can :)
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@kariahl8845 ... Good morning, Kariah :)
We also must recognize that the initial 2 crimes were likely NOT served to full term and release was a condition of accepting the harsher punishment, should they be caught offending again. At some point, we MUST hold people accountable and very often that accountability is harsher than would be otherwise, because they were given a second, and in these cases... a 3rd chance. To be clear... I am NOT defending the punishment of soda can guy's punishment. I doubt that YOU have any such criminal history to be concerned with 3 strikes, so why would that be? Well, because you have not engaged in the behavior that leads to those strikes, just as I have, along with the overwhelming vast majority of people. On that note, I would also look to the state that declares failure to pay for an item of less than $10.00 is considered a felony. By any metric, there is most certainly an issue there and it was peoples error to write such a statue into state law.
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3 strikes laws were not born out of whim or to just randomly punish people for instances like the case you cited. No, they were created as a response to many criminals who CONTINUE to victimize people time and time and time again, so the victimized got fed up. I understand that they are not always adjudicated in the manner in which they were intended, but the perpetrator CONTINUED to pursue crime at the expense of society. The case you cited, not withstanding, we can BOTH go back and forth with examples of how the people were seemingly over punished for a crime, as those who were given too many chances, by all objective measures (the DD I mentioned earlier as an example). I am not going to sit here and defend what happened to the soda can guy, because it does not sound like justice. However, 3 strikes was ONLY created after horrible continued abuses by career criminals, even if THIS particular one was unjust.
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I suppose the best way to address such things as 3 strikes is a panel of judges who's job it is to consider specific situations in which 3 strikes law is specifically charged. I think this would be a fantastic way to avoid abuses, but there is one single problem. 3 strikes laws were a direct response to campaigns of victims and families pleading the cases of their HORRIBLE experience with criminals that repeatedly got released, only to kill or murder their mother, father, sister or brother :( Those exact same heart-strings you feel for the soda can guy are just not as powerful as a grieving mother in front of 20 microphones, tears running down her face, eyes bloodshot from crying holding a picture of her 5 yo boy who was ruthlessly killed by a multiple felon released on parole who promised to clean up his act.
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BOTH of these are injustices, but how we proceed to fix them is the key. Due to many, many reasons, those who commit crimes are released from prison. Some have served their time and "appear" to be rehabbed, based on the panel that decides such matters, while others are released because of over crowding or maybe a procedural thing, like Bill Cosby was. In the end, we are human and there will ALWAYS be someone who rightly or wrongly got screwed over.
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I certainly don't have all the answers, any more than you do. However, personal responsibility is at the heart of 100% of those we have spoken of in this thread and includes JJ. We, as a nation, must decide if imprisonment is designed for punishment, rehabilitation or both. Sadly, there are some, and I would say that JJ falls into this category, who will NEVER be "rehabilitated" and there is just no way to determine that, based solely on his earliest criminal conviction. Unless we as a society are willing to invest many times the amount of resources into rehabilitation facilities that can spend the time necessary in an attempt to undo the damage that leads to repeat offending, we will always have the soda can guy who was over-punished and 8 time DD who was released only to commit a 9th time.
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society has a difficult time in accepting the amount of resources that go into addressing criminal behaviors, when the majority of us will never see that system, outside of a speeding or parking ticket. Just like ALL things, it comes down to money far too often. Paying ever higher and higher taxes to help those who perpetuate crimes against us all, don't get much sympathy and that is a powerful incentive to those who support harsh punishments.
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@Sofakingdom420 … well, due to federal law, they have to enable people to own fire arms, but they are creating loopholes (MASSIVE roadblocks) to allow subjective determination again. They have instituted a requirement that 3 years of social media posts / comments be provided for "evaluation" of fitness to own / conceal / carry a weapon. So if you made a mean Tweet, you can be subjectively concluded as a bully or some terrorist type, who should be denied a permit. Just like ALL leftists and most liberals, they see guns as the problem and make no distinction if they are legal and law abiding person who has one.
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@Joe Cooper ... No doubt some will do so, but they are taking a MASSIVE legal risk if caught. If someone just sees it peaking out from under shirt or whatever and reports them, the penalties will be as brutal as NY can make. God and voters willing, we will get some GOP not only in power, but with some balls to press down on these leftist cult states and FORCE them to comply with Constitutional law and allow conceal / carry, without ANY of the BS they do now. The day when law abiding, responsible and practiced gun owners are known to be all over the streets of these cities, not only will criminals give a second thought to crime, but when they DO commit one... they are MUCH more likely to be taken out by one of them.
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@A B … are you kidding?!?!?!?
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How about ANY city in Florida, for example. DeSantis is without question the best governor in all of USA. Texas is very good and we have Tennessee, N. Carolina are good as well.
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There are pockets of Democrat cities all over the country, but as you mentioned, those overrun by leftists are hell-holes. I am not saying that the GOP or conservatives have the only good ideas or that simply electing a person with an “R” after their name, is a guarantee foe success, but we have seen how the Democrats have allowed their party to be taken over by the Marxist cult
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Truth is, we need Democrats to add moderation of conservative ideas. The problem is the radicals within the Democratic party intimidate moderate ones and they either join them or sit back and STFU.
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I am not suggesting that we do nothing, but vote conservative and wait to be saved. However, short of literal overthrow and revolution, we have to support sound policies and fail to comply with tyranny of the left.
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@Jessica Mason .... No question, that if ALL people in society, be them elected to enforce laws or simply enforce the recognized rules of a given society, did the "right thing".... but they do not. The problem in 100% of cases, comes down to the nature of human beings and there is LITERALLY zero systems that can eliminate the 3 issues I mentioned in my previous comment just above yours. So long as we humans are charged with making decisions, we cannot eliminate those that would abuse the privilege in which they were assigned. We can have any number of oversight committees or checks and balances, but for EVERY one of them.... human error, human ignorance and human malice WILL enter into the equation.
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It all starts with a society that has legally, morally and tacitly agreed to a certain conduct of behavior and interaction. The moment just one citizen breaks those rules, regardless of how egregiously, those in the society must pass some judgement, punishment or correction to it. The first thing society gave up on was shaming. When society decided that "shame" was no less cruel then bullying, we began our decent off the rails of a polite functioning society. There have always been those who go WELL beyond things that simple shame would address, so we need to take the next step. Well, one in ALL cases, will lead some to take that next level of anti-social behavior. We can trace back probably 98% of serious anti-social behavior, gang killings in this case, to the failure of enforcing simple shame WAY back when it would have done some good.
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Obviously, there are those who are just born bad and no amount of shame would have stopped them from the destructive path they were on. Hell, we can look back to the earliest days of Hitler himself, and see how events and how others handled them, influenced what we saw he eventually became. Systems will ALWAYS be abused and there is no way to eliminate it. All we can do, is enforce those things that have time tested as proven to lead to the most cohesive society of the past.
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Society has failed itself and when this happens... chaos is the only possible result 😿
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@natem1982 ... To your last line... Yes. A somewhat related line, as it pertains to fighting such malevolence... "Do not become the evil you fight". To broaden your comment, this is the difficulty we deal with, when facing the evil that is leftist cult ideology. Those who ascribe to it absolutely consider themselves morally superior to the rest of us, so the the term "by any means necessary" is quite literal. The Regressive leftist has ZERO issue with ANY means to achieve their goals, as prescribed by this F'd up ideology.
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There are many things truly terrifying about the devout leftist, but chief among them is how in the HELL do we find any common ground in which to share this earth? They have left no room for compromise, debate or discussion in any way, so how do we move forward? This is the biggest reason why we cannot have a "peaceful divorce", as so many have talked about. The leftist will NOT negotiate in good faith, nor even consider intellectual honesty in discussing anything with us conservative "deplorables", as we are considered to be 100% evil.
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Not sure you bargained for this as a response to your comment, but I pride myself on problem solving and have ZERO idea how we are to get out of this mess, short of mass violence :(
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@natem1982 ... RE: There's really not any good solutions : I need to break this down a bit, so will go line by line :) I don't want to straw man you, but I am having a bit of trouble following you here. Please clarify where needed :)
1. The problem with just "letting it unfold" is that we must then accept whatever they cult decides to do and just live with the consequences. No, this is no way to live and makes one a sheep within a flock of wolves. I am not suggesting that we create chaos in order to fight chaos, but I sure as hell am not going to sit back and let the cards fall where they may and hope that Jesus saves me. I am in ZERO way religious, and don't seek to disrespect your faith, but is it your belief that Jesus will protect you from the hell the leftist wants to rein down on us all?
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2. I agree... and speaks to what I said in my last reply to you. Do not become the evil you fight, but that does NOT mean you should not fight. Fighting is not only physical confrontation, but a broad term for pushing back in whatever way one can, that avoids the pitfalls of becoming that evil. I will absolutely NOT sit back and just watch the leftist take from me, should they make such a direct move. I cannot control who ingests the Joseph Goebbels Propaganda Media Machine and takes it as gospel, but I am out here every single day, doing what I can to push back against the cult. I will not pretend it is easy or that I am making huge strides, but I will not just allow the chips to fall where they may. Those chips may end up where they go with or without my resistance, but I could not live with myself, should I sit back and hope for the best.
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3. Not sure where cancelling came in here, but I am as nearly a free speech absolutist, as it appears you are. I have never sought to cancel anyone, but I will most certainly be happy when one who DOES seek to cancel others, dies by their own sword. I have ZERO issues with people that fall victim to the censorship they once approved be used against others. You make interesting point that I have made myself, in regards to censorship. There are two fundamental questions, when it comes to censorship. The first is WHO decides what is deemed "in-appropriate" speech. Beyond fire in a crowded theatre, when there is no such fire.. calls for violence against another and such. The second is WHO decides WHO decides? The leftist cult is all about censorship, because they are currently in power, but they fail to grasp the clear and EXTREMELY obvious pitfalls of their current ways. There will come a time when the Regressives are no longer in power, hopefully in the next two election cycles, but I digress... , and the "who" that gets to decide what is acceptable will change. I am willing to bet they would be none to pleased, when a conservative appoints a new panel of arbiters of censorship!
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4. As for violence... I am not a fan. I don't wish to be violent and will do what I can to avoid it. However.... I will NEVER rule out the need for violence, when all else fails. There comes a time when violence is ABSOLUTELY the answer and if that time comes, I will know it and act accordingly.
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Peace, Nado :)
EDIT: I Have just re-read my comment here and I may need to clarify my thoughts on censorship. Simply put, I believe censorship to be evil! I want to hear what Hitler had to say, Ted Bundy and as much as Biden The Tyrantasourous Hex disgusts me, I would never seek to shut him up from whatever he has to say.
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@madtabby66 ... Ask yourself why the Bus Boycott worked to over turn some of the racist policies back in the day.... ? EVERY black person refused to comply. They ALL walked for miles, if necessary, to avoid using the bus, so after a short time, the bus system HAD to change its rules, because they were losing their ass.
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If NOBODY complied, the lockdowns, mandatory masks, jabs, males in female sports, spaces would ALL end!
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I have never been tested, jabbed and wore a mask precisely 3 times. To vote Trump, Larry Elder and deal with my cat who passes at the emergency vet.
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Fuck fear... DO NOT COMPLY!
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@youngthinker1 ... Again... that was not the spirit of the legislation. However, you and I should spend our energy arguing over this and ignore the object evil of beta-males taking rightful place in female sport, invading their shower, changing and dressing rooms, while the females are demanded to take "re-education" classes to be more accepting of their safety and privacy being devastated.
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The original intent of Title IX was a good one, but like ALL legislation, bad actors got involved and added a bunch of pork that screwed that caused harm to male sport, when that was NOT the initial intent. It was bad actors and largely feminists who set out to "get even" and harm men... just as they do today.
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Stop arguing over how it could have been written / implemented better and start focusing on the girls, ladies and women losing scholarships, having their dreams CRUSHED by weak ass beta-males and having to deal with same leering at them in their PRIVATE spaces and sororities.
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Go ahead, bitch and complain about Title IX and ignore the EVIL that is happening right under your nose. Title IX is 50 years old, how about focusing on the present, eh?
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@blackjay5338 ... Yes. Feminist ideology has long sought the attacking of men, in the hopes that it will somehow "lift" women. Well, if something hurts men, it hurts women and if something hurts women, it hurts men.
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Feminists won the the battles that gave them equality of access, but that is not enough for the modern one... they must have "equity". This desire for equity is absolute evil, but they cannot see it or why it is so. Men are forever attempting to please women, so far, far, far too many have become beta-males in that attempt and look where it has gotten us.
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Weak as beta-males invading women's sports and getting off on being in their private spaces. This is light-years from what masculinity wants to be, but since it is openly demonized, men are "trying" to appease what the feminist wants.
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@spk1121 ... It is not my point to be anti LGB, only that what we see today was not only predictable... but predicted. The real problem here is that the left has removed the guardrails to any and all behavior. 80% of those who watched this all unfold in the '80's, including myself, were just fine with gay rights. There were committed couples who were denied ALL kinds of legal protections of shared property, insurance coverage and the like, so that needed to be done.
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Since the stops have been removed and "feelings" are the helm, while the brake lever was tossed out the steam engine, some 10 years ago, the L's, G's and B's have allowed the T to take over and look where we are. We have and INSANELY corrupt teachers union, and the Democratic party is INFESTED with trans cult activists and the sharp turn over the gorge is ahead and the train is full speed and no brakes.
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The LGB better get its act together and kick the T out, because the T's are ACTIVELY "transing the gay away", as they are parasites! Parasites require a host and the children are the prime target. This is why we see the explosion of child drag shows and teachers indoctrinating trans on children and hiding it from parents.
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The trans activist cult is OBJECTIVELY EVIL! They ARE coming after our kids, because the LGB's let them run rough-shot through the rights THEY payed the price to aquire.
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@TheHigherVoltage ... I really don't know what you are going on about here. I never said there were no gay people or even that being gay is only a matter of choice, I said that it is not the natural order of nature, because nature has but ONE single function.... to reproduce itself. That does not disparage the L's, G's or B's, but to say that no matter how common, it is not a sustainable way to live, because we cannot successfully set out to create LGB's. What we CAN do, is project upon them, and this is called grooming! I am not saying that LGB's set out to groom, but the trans activist cult DOES! We can see this, because of "drag time story hour" and "child friendly drag shows", countless teachers on TikTok showing their pride flags, grade school libraries with a multitude of "Gender Queer" and the like books. Books that have cartoon images depicting VERY explicit acts and images of VERY adult activities.
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I don't deny that gays or trans exist. I don't deny that there is some internal drive within them that moves them this direction. What I am saying, is that the OVERWHELMING number of "trans" we seen in the last 10 years or so are in very high numbers, due to social contagion. The trans activist will say... this is because trans is more acceptable today, as there were ALWAYS this many trans, but afraid to come out". Of course, in the very next sentence, they will say..."There is a trans genocide happening due to right wing extremists".
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While you have not claimed this here, please tell me... WHERE is the evidence to support such a claim as a "trans genocide" happening? This is because there is NOT! The OVERWHELMING vast majority of trans who are killed are due to several self-inflicted means. They either were outcast for any number of reasons and on the streets sharing needles. They hook up with straight men and eventually the guy figures out he has been fooled, he freaks out and a crime of passion the trans is beaten or killed. I am not arguing that this is OK, only that if you EVER want to find a man at his most vulnerable, it is after an encounter he believes was with a female and turns out to be a guy. This is an EXPLOSIVE combination and nearly all of trans who are killed by straight people, were not done "because they are trans".. they were killed because they made a fool out of a man and he lost his sheet. Not saying that is right and not saying he should not face charges for any criminal activity. I am saying... you sleep with dogs, you wake up with fleas. When men successfully pass and fool a straight guy... he is BEGGING for trouble.
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Everything else you said above is completely subjective. It is simply not possible to "measure" the female brain that has merged or otherwise grown within the male body. There are differences in size of the brain, on average and we know from 100K years that men and women "think" differently. However, we cannot plug a machine into a man, ask some questions and a machine print out.... "he has a female brain" or likewise for females. There are a BILLION factors that enter into the equation of how a male / female reacts to stimuli and I have ZERO doubt that more than a small amount is due to the creation of that brain, within the mother. However, if we look back at sociopaths, for example because criminals have been studied for hundreds of years.... the overwhelming number of them had very traumatic childhood events. Raised by an overbearing other or abusive father.
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There is no reliable test for "being gay". Whether born, and I would argue that absolutely most are... or how much is a response to that billion factors AFTER that child reaches this earth. As for trans... an EXTREMELY high number of those who identify as trans today are 100% due to social contagion. The sad thing is, that those who are NOT subject to this, I can say Blaire White and Transpa are the most commonly known on social media, I would say... have proven to be the most likely of born with more than simple gender dysphoria, but some degree of alternate-sex brain chemistry at birth. This cannot be measured and I would not discount it as real. I have no issue at all with either and have been subd to Blaire for many years now.
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My problem with 100% of this ENTIRE issue, is that children are being groomed for trans, by adults who project this upon them at a young age. Look at Jazz Jennings for the most famous example of our day. Jazz was FORCED to think he was a girl, but an absolutely EVIL mother! I don't know the roll of his father as much, but he was at the VERY LEAST, complicit and therefore guilty of the same evil. Jazz is MISERABLE and now that it has become so clear, he is not used as the high example of trans kids any longer. I have been subd, and currently moderate B-enjam-min -Boy-ce channel (disguising name, as YouTube may delete my comment) and have seen roughly 40~50 detrans and ALL of them say the same thing... they were groomed by society, internet, blogs and many by adults who projected trans upon them. By the time they see a therapist or counselor, they are so thoroughly convince of being trans... they cannot be talked out of it. I have seen many videos, Jeffery YouKnowWho is about as evil as they come, because he ACTIVELY recruits young teens to "talk in private", because "Their parents screwed up"
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I could not care less how many gays, lesbians trans in this world, so long as they keep their influence away from OUR CHILDREN!
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PS> The trans activist cult are, and I mean this in a VERY literal sense... parasites! The parasite requires a host, because it cannot reproduce and its species will die off without making more of its own kind. The trans activist has NO choice, but to find others to carry on the numbers as THIS is what nature does... continue its existence. Certainly not all trans are activists and if they just want to live their life, Blaire White and Transpa are perfect examples... right on!
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@Cinderella121 ... As I said, breaking treaties was obviously a breach of morality, though I don't know any details about those that were broken. Exactly nobody is denying ANY of the "uncomfortable truths" about America. Nobody denies slavery or refuses to teach it in schools, but we MUST account for the society of the time, for the context in which these things were done. None of which is an excuse to deem it as "acceptable", as slavery, like breaking a treaty is a moral sin. However, we must ALSO recognize, that those native tribes did 100% of those SAME THINGS to those whom occupied the lands before we conquered and took them for us.
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In the end, we absolutely must recognize the wrongs, and for the most part, we do. However, there are those who would rather just see us beat ourselves up until the end of time, so that THEY get the virtue signalling points it seems you are attempting to gain right now.
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@Pocket_Fox ... Yes, it absolutely includes the rank and file. Take a look at how many of those rank and file jumped ship or were fired, when Elon took over Twitter!
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I get that a single person ownership is not the same as a board, but since he became the board, there were massive changes for the better. Before you say it, Twitter is FAR from ideal and may or may not become what Elon claimed it would be, but dumping the board is all that was needed. The start must be with the board members and once they are replaced with normal humans, with responsible goods / services in mind, things will clean up.
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Not saying over-night, but WOKE cannot survive, because it is all built on lies and delusional psychosis.
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@According_To_Matt ... The problem is that these cities, Chicago, NYC, San Crapcisco and all the rest will continue to destroy themselves and will FORCE the feds to send in the National Guard. They will lock them biotches down, set a 7:00PM curfew and will take 2~6 mo. to force the "leaders" into a plan of action. This will embolden the citizens to start having some faith and, for a time... vote for MUCH more "red" polices.
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@gislanaepstein3013 ….Ah, look who it is, my bestie and BFF, Ms. Gislana 😺
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It is so nice to hear from you again, though I am unworthy of occupying the same earth as one so unflinchingly brilliant and humble as yourself. I am but above a loathsome, pitiful creature myself, I will none the less try to carry on and find some way to exist, that will fail to impact such greatness in which I have born witness over the last few weeks.... Ms. Gislana.
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Not sure that it is worth it though, as you have made it clear life for me is simply a waste of the globes resources. My entire existence amounts to less value than the carbon footprint I have created through the entirety of my life, I have until just earlier this morning, sought so desperately to justify.
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Alas, after much painful inward soul searching and nearly 10k hours of lifelong psychotherapy, it was the conclusion of my therapist, and confirmed by the whole of the psychological team at Stanford University, that I bow to your greatness.
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I hereby concede to the pillar of all that is right in the world and without whom, it would be but a dark and lonely place, populated only by such reprehensible parasites as myself.
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My life is simply not worth living. Yet I will seek to carry on with my meager, yet pathetic existence somehow. I will do whatever I can to not disappoint you in the days to come
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To your humble greatness, I bow forever unworthy😿
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@CONEHEADDK ... OK, I gotcha :) Was more or less what I thought you were saying, but your concerns of censorship on ANY big tech platform publishing website are valid! I will would like to pass on a method I use to overcome the overlords...
1. If you make a comment that may be viewed as "misinformation", in other words... TRUTH, by our Lord an Master YouTube, copy / paste back up of it PRIOR to posting
2. Post comment and then either refresh the page OR attempt and "edit" of the comment approx. 10 seconds later.
3. If you see "returned error" (lower LH side just under the line) after you try to edit, this means your comment WAS deleted and you are viewing cache
4. If so, hit "CANCEL" and your comment will vanish completely. Reply again, but paste your back up of ORIGINAL comment and add a "-" to break up likely words
5. EXAMPLE: If I write "Barack Obama" in my comment on Jericho Green or ABL's channels... it WILL be immediately deleted by YT algorithm. Therefore, I will write the following..
"Ba-rack O-ba-ma" or "previous 2 term US black president". If you have a LOT of words that require such disguise, make a note at bottom of comment to explain the "-" within
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This will ALWAYS work, but you may need to avoid CAPITALIZING words as well. This can be viewed as yelling and algorithm will sometimes get you for that. It is coming up on 9:00AM PST in what once was "Good Ol' USA", but while it is nowhere near what it is like in some other parts of the world, NY and Comifornia are working on it!
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Good afternoon to you, @BØRGE :)
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@Prognosis ... Both the "traditional" left and right are rational thinkers, when we move outward toward the edges, each becomes more and more ideologically driven. It is the ideologue, in the current context... "leftists / Progressives (Regressvies)" that are best described as a cult, because they are not outcast as radical by their own party. Anyone who only uses an ideology to frame what they say or how they act, is going to expose themselves as irrational. What the Regressive says at every opportunity, is how the alt-right is "destroying our Democracy", "wants a return to slavery" or some other such nonsense, fails to recognize is that THEY are the ones who are "alt" in today's society. The alt-right has zero influence in the conservative party, as they are outcast by the GOP. However, we cannot say the same of the Democratic party, as we have yet to see a "line" of which the left can cross, that will cause the rest to say it is too far.
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@dollarcostbackpacker1226 ... One does not have to possess magic or good inside, to recognize that their actions were a direct tie to the murder of a family member! There are those who have seen the light and left not only the WOKE cult, but cults in general. While this is pretty rare, and particularly without serious intervention by somebody, it does happen.
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For a DA to cope with the brutal loss of a family member at the hands of someone who was a repeat, violent offender, and particularly one who has murdered people, is something I would not wish upon ANYONE. Sadly, this IS going to be the fate of some of them, because the garbage humans UN-being that kill people for far less, might just salivate at the opportunity to cause catastrophic harm to a DA that put him back on the street. Some people kill for the simple pleasure in causing harm to others and sooner or later... we will see this happen!
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@societopathyobserved9785 ... I can say with a near guarantee, that if one of these DA's, has a child BRUTALLY murdered by the hand of a felonious serial violent offender, that persons world will be ROCKED to the core!
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If that does not convince them they need to re-think, and some may be so blinded by the cult, as to NEVER see that light... than I don't know what will.
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As ANY parent who has lost a child, even if by random accident or illness and they will tell you it is a living hell for the rest of their lives. I lost a brother at 17 yo, because he was not good about taking necessary medication and our family had to deal with that. It was not violent and nobody but himself and cruel act of fate that he had such an illness to address. Now, go ask the parents of Polly Klass who had a such a person as described above, come into their home and kidnap her while they were sleeping upstairs. He killed her within a few hours, IIRC, but took a LOT longer to learn that.
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To never again be able to close your eyes and not envision your child in a nightmarish hell of absolute terror and being murdered by a well known sociopath that YOU (this DA) set free.
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@Goulash45 ... Dude... WTF? This "joke" as you insist we call it, was inciting a violent act against a building in which protesters are EXTREMELY angry about with tensions VERY high. He suggested that someone take a bomb and blow the NRA up, while people are THIS angry!
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This is not a joke about helicopter rides, as if that is a parallel in even the most microscopic of ways, this is an extremely angry mob, that is not thinking in any kind of rational way. These people are screaming epithets at the top of their lungs about how those inside this building are MURDERERS and have blood on their hands. Mobs like this need only the slightest provocation to turn from that yelling to extremely violent attacks.
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Ethan got a "threatening or bullying" strike, had the video removed and got a week suspension, I think it was. Had this been a conservative channel, it would have been "inciting violence" and almost guarantee a permanent ban and VERY likely the deletion of the channel.
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One cannot joke about bombing a building when tensions are THIS high. It is extremely irresponsible and Ethan is damned lucky no wackjob took him up on this offer for that 15 minutes of fame.
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EDIT: Go into an airport and in the most casual, OBVIOUSLY kidding, joking silly manner, say what he did... see what happens! Say what Ethan said about POTUS... see what happens! Context matters and it was WILDLY inappropriate to say what he said, during THIS situation.
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@Goulash45 ... OMG... lol. I was just making a joke because I saw that someone was being called a "contrarian" :) Didn't even know it was me... lol.
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I have never, nor would I ever claim to NOT have a bias. Of course... I have a bias, just as you and everyone else does. However, that bias does not make anything I said not factual.
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it is certainly a matter of opinion as to how much sarcasm, twinkle in the eye Ethan had when he suggested someone should bomb the building, but that is not the point. One cannot go into an airport an even in the most silly or joking ways, suggest someone should bomb the place. In the same manner, one cannot suggest one "harm" POTUS either.
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Ethan said something that should NEVER be joked about when speaking about a CURRENT situation with the amount of intense emotional feeling as was the case when he said it. As mentioned already... he was speaking off the cuff and not caught up in the moment, but it is STILL inciting a violent act. He was talking to many thousands of people at the time and was a very irresponsible thing to say.
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Do I think he should go to prison... hell no! Do I think he gave more than .2 nano's of consideration before he said that... hell no! Doesn't matter... he STILL he must be conscious of what he is saying, who is listening and the state of tension that was existing at the time.
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I argue my position not from one that is looking to be right or seek a "gotcha" moment (I am not accusing you of saying that I am). I don't even argue from an ideological position, I say what I understand to be facts of an event and apply the most intellectually honest and good faith argument I can to whoever cares to listen.
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If I am wrong... I will own it. This is not about what Ethan was thinking when he said this, it is about being responsible for the things he says. THIS was the wrong thing to say... period.
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@Goulash45 ... Dude.. for the love of God.... it was irresponsible to make such a statement. This was not two people talking on the phone. This was not a guy at a party talking to a group of people that had a few too many drinks. This was guy with a huge following of very loyal subs in which he has quite a bit of influence. Just like a Steven Crowder... Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson. The context in which he made that statement was to possibly incite violence, because he has a lot of people who listen to what he has to say and, while it is not be fair, he MUST consider what one of them might do in such an emotionally charged condition.
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You can claim he was joking or didn't really mean it or point to a definition or description on the internet... I don't care. I think he got exactly what he deserved, but I will certianly argue, that had this been identical scenario, but was a libertarian or conservative creator and not a leftist... the punishment would have been far more severe, as the channel would likely be removed.
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Ethan got at minimum what he deserved. Hopefully, he will be more careful with what he says going forward.
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EDIT: Let me clarify here. Even though, I 100% believe that a conservative would have gotten a much harsher penatly for saying this, I am not advocating that Ethan lose his channel over, as that would be an over-reaction. I am a free speech absolutist and is specifically as it relates to 1a. I want to hear what even the most extreme left, right or whatever someone things / believes, as I feel that allowing such ideas to the light of scrutiny would be far more beneficial than booting someone off of a platform, so they go underground to create an echo chamber of others who also may have anti-social opinions or views.
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Can we be done with this now, please?
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@doctorbrown5957 ... I cannot speak to what you have heard The Timinator say on his podcasts, as I not seen but only a very few of them in total. I have been following his daily videos for about 6 years, so have seen him come a LONG way of of that "milk toast fence sitter" position he was on for the first several of those years. I also will not defend anything you have heard him say, but will ad the following for some thought.
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I am uniquely on YouTube for ALL my social media life. It is not possible to tell you how many times I have had my comments deleted for "wrong think", as while I am only slightly right of center politically, that pretty much makes me Hitler to those of the farther left persuasion. I was mod for a short time on Unsafe Space (channel on YT) and was under the EVER watchful eye of YouTube minions and its algorithm. I have ALWAYS been able to say what I wanted, but most certainly had to choose my words carefully in most cases and completely re-edit my entire comment on literally hundreds of others. I had learned to copy / paste back up my comment PRIOR to "REPLY" and then refresh page 10 seconds later, to see POOF... I had wrong-thunk again.
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All I am trying to say is that while Tim may very well be compromising to some degree, we ALL have to in order to remain on nearly all of the social media platforms. YouTube may or may not be less restrictive than some other platforms, Tim would rather not be removed, for playing the game to at least a small degree. That said, he may have compromised more than I am aware and I am not an apologist for him, but I do certainly give him some pretty good benefit of the doubt, as I have come to see him as quite principled. I don't always agree with those principles, but I don't need him to agree with me, I only need him to call out hypocrisy as he sees it.. whether from the left or right.
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Peace, Doc :)
PS> Did anyone ever believe that where your're going.. you don't need any roads? :P
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@AGJ117 ... lol... Just shows to go you how much energy I spend following her :) Well, maybe some other comments were as you described, but you were saying those in THIS thread were of that ilk. I have not appointed myself the arbiter of protecting the honor of those in this thread, but you came into it making claims of how essentially awful we are, because of double-standards or what not. What those say in this thread or outside of it, in regards to Cardi B, are of no concern, until you came in talking trash :)
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I have a perfect right to support or condemn what Nicki, Cardi B or ANYONE says about anything, without obligation to believe, respect or have opinion on ANYTHING else they may say or do and I am not sure why you care so much. I also don't care if you or anyone else supports or condemns the vaccine. For what it is worth, I have no issue whatever with the vaccine, as it has clearly saved lives and certainly many from going through what can be a mild illness to death! I have chosen not to get the vaccine, because I have not taken a vaccine for ANYTHING in about 45 years. I certainly can be a bit stubborn, so that is obviously part of it... lol, but more so because I am just not one to take medications for occasional headache, Nyquil for occasional insomnia or any other preventative medications / remedies. I don't condemn anyone who does, this is just what I have decided for myself and don't care if you or anyone else approves / condemns it. There are those who have absolutely told me straight up that I am playing with fire, in regards to Covid and my refusal to get vaccine, but this is my life :)
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If you have issues with those writing comments on this video, have at it. Just don't come into THIS one dumping vitriol as if we said those things. Kinda like the white knight analogy, because it is kinda funny, but that is not why I pushed back against you. I am one who happens to believe in "intellectual honesty". I am NOT saying you do or don't, but just how I conduct myself and when I get accused or seemingly so, of something I have said or done that is incorrect, I speak up about it.
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To be clear, I have no problem with you and you can be critical all you like. Just if you are gonna criticize me... betta bring receipts :)
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Peace, AG :)
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@JohnCarterRocks ... OMG, he said that SOME were those things, because one who wants to cross the border ILLEGALLY may be hiding from something. If you cannot be intellectually honest with your arguments, you will ultimately fail to even convince your self at some point. Love how you keep declaring yourself the "winner" of a conversation, when a conversation is what I am trying to have. You know, when two people who have not only different ideas, but unquestionably have knowledge that the other does not possess. See, this is why one person talks to another. I will always assume that another person knows something I don't, because this is undeniably true. No question this is true of each of us, yet your goal is not to find out what I think and WHY I think it... it is your goal to "win" the exchange.
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How sad this is, as you are not open to learn anything from this exchange, you just keep thinking that calling me a "lightweight" is going to convince me your argument is sound. Well, I got news for you, Christos.... it does not convince me of anything whatsoever.
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Keep hitting that 👍on your own comments, as one day it may get another 🐱
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@Wylee Coyotee ... Didn't have ANY rights, prior to 1950's my GD'd ass!
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How about the right to vote in the late teens? Ever stop to think that it was 100% men who were corrupted by politics and wrote the 19th amendment and who twisted Roe out of the 14th? Guess what happened in beginning of the 60's....The Pill! The single worst thing to happen to the male / female dynamic and ushered in the sexual revolution which created the foundation of the OF's women we see sad and lonely in their mid 30's without a family. You know the ones, those who "don't need no man" and aren't getting them, because turns out... men don't like women who sleep around or share their body on the internet. The sexual revolution told men that they no longer had to show honor, respect and chivalry to attract a woman he liked, because she did not fear pregnancy... so she gave it up for free!
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Flash forward 60 years and here you are telling other women they are anti-feminist, because they don't blame men of today for not taking rights away that they already have...WTF? Why are you still complaining? Yes.. women did lack many rights, but 100% of them have been corrected for well over 50 years now (Title IX which is now being dismantled by WOKE cult with the help of women!). If you are not seeking rights, than ALL you are doing, is seeking to look at yourself and women through the lens of oppression or being a victim. This makes men less likely to want to be around you, because bitterness is the only thing that can come of it.
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Exactly WHAT good does that do you...? I can tell you.. less than zero! This can only serve to make you unhappy or feel as though lacking and blaming men for it! There is certainly some praise and admiration for women of some 50 years and many years prior, but the sexual revolution was right in the middle and forever damaged the male / female dynamic.
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Please... stop buying in to the feminist lie that you need to keep reaching out for "women's rights" when they have them.
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Take care and dig the screen name, btw
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@lawaincooley6788 ... This whole thing is frustrating as H. Whether....
1) Comments are removed
2) Comments are "hidden"
3) Comments are ONLY seen, via Sort By> "Newest Comments"
An overwhelming number of my comments / replies do not exist when I return to follow up on peoples thoughts on video. Sometimes I can "Sort by" to see it return, but must do so on every new page I open. If hidden, I can always see my comment on default "Top Comments" setting, but log-out to confirm and must THEN use "Newest Comment" to make visible ("Sort by" button does not require YT log-in to work). Far as I can tell, unless EVERY user hits the "Sort by"> "Newest Comments" option, when they open a new video, they will not see mine nor any number of comments that are shadow-banned behind "Newest Comment" setting. Still other times, when I log-out, my comment can not be found behind "Newest Comment" either, so it is hidden so completely, that it has effectively been deleted. This is actually worse , because it a deliberately deceitful to way to make sure nobody can see it, yet allow the user to just think nobody 👍or replied.
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This is a giveaway, when only a few (less than say 5 comments exist on a brand new video) and make a really short, yet quality (humor, incitefull... etc....) comment, yet no replies or likes when video has several hundred comments. I understand that what I think is witty or funny, may not be so to others, but it happens too often. When not even a single "like"... I sometimes try the above options to see it is just not being seen by anyone, as it has been hidden from everyone.
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I am [knot+4+sense+or+ship] of anyone, so these games [R+esp+ecially+infur+riating]. There are other issues at play here with my account specifically, but will not bore you with details. Suffice to say, a couple times I wrote "Puppies and Rainbows ❤" as a test and was indeed hidden from all users. Nobody is gonna tell me that comment is a ToS violation.
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@bobbob-gx1iq ... DING DING DING [+25 purr credits to you] Exactly! We have all been saying this for some time and Ana is a perfect example of FINALLY seeing that the left has gone WAY too far, even for her.
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I think the absolute #1 enemy of the people is mainstream leftist news. Were they to actually report accurately and fairly on ALL that they see happening, these "leaders" would not get the passive "pass" they continually get. Now, zero question that the voters are freakin' moroon's of the highest order, but if they pressed on Hunter Biden laptop, what had motivated "Russia, Russia, Russia" and the 10 billion other things they lie, obfuscate, spin until we are all dizzy or simply not cover at all, these "leaders" would have their feet to the fire on the daily and never be able to escape their HORRENDOUS acts.
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So long as people live within an information bubble, we will have blind loyalty.
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Systemic racism no longer exists, but is not possible to eliminate racism completely. What I have always said is that white people put blacks where they are and blacks keep themselves there. Harsh words, but accurate. The leftists narrative focuses primarily on race because they SAY equity is the goal, but is actually to gain power in the so-called patriarchy currently controlled by whiteness... lol
The more I see of these WOKE people, the more I fear for our nation, because these kids have been indoctrinated with this crap their entire lives. Getting the SJW's to listen to any voice of reason is damned near impossible, but absolutely impossible for a white person.
Only black people will be able to make any headway and why we need more of the Candace Owens, Taleeb Starks, Tommy Sotomayor, Jericho Green, Brandon Tatum, Tracy Scott, Larry Elder and others to keep shedding light on how the Dem's have done nothing but hurt the cause of the black community.
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@DeathsNitemareShepardOfHope .. When Bugs Bunny was referring to Elmer Fudd when he did something he thought was stupid, was not appropriate to say "what a moron", as it was a cartoon and this was, what late 60's? In order to avoid risking that word on a cartoon, he would say... :"what a moroon". The funny thing was, while I had heard Bugs say that a sheet ton of times, was not until I was probably like 20 when a buddy said ..."what a moroon", when I did something dumb. I laughed and said..."hey, Bugs Bunny" and asked what it meant, cuz I hadn't heard it since I was like 6 or something.
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He explained it to me and I was at that point, I felt like a actual "moroon"... 😸
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@deathsnitemaresinfullust2269 ... My comment keeps getting deleted:
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Remember, this was a kids cartoon and in the late 60's or very early 70's. I suppose they could have said "[this word]", but I am only speculating they would not only avoid it, but give an inside-pun for parents and adults. We see that in a TON of animated movies over the last 20 years. Look at Sh-rek, To-y S-to-ry for purrfect examples.
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Did a little D-uc-kDu-ckG-o'ing and found some stuff of interest: I cannot post LINKS or YouObey will remove this comment, so here is a quote from "[comment was deleted, so edited this out]" ... "The expression “what a ma-ro-on” means “what a m-oro-n.” It’s an insult to someone’s intelligence and a way of telling them that they are not worth talking to in a conversation because you are above them."
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Some interesting things, now that I look into it. Seems most references are from Bugs Bunny, but cannot find a year, but it was circa 1970's, when I first heard it. The word "Ma-ro-on" has been used as a term for runaway [blacks] in the West Indies, but don't know when.
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Wow... Bu-gs B-un-ny began in 1940, so that phrase may be older than I thought. Anyway, interesting to hit the w-ayba-ck ma-ch-ine of my youth's and see Bugs again. Think I will hit up some old videos and catch up... peace
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PS> Comment keeps getting deleted, so I keep pasting and editing sus words 😾
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EDIT 5: I almost forgot. Thank you Posie, Triggernometry and team for bringing us this video :)
Very interesting conversation here. About 20:00 in with the subject of women's bathrooms. Several things she has said, had not occurred to me and give me a bit more perspective from the female view. Blaire White came up and am a follower of hers. It was a bit difficult to hear Posie refer to Blaire as "he", but that is how she sees it and her right.
Posie said that Blair should not be able to use the woman's bathroom, but exactly what is Blaire to do? She cannot go into the men's bathroom and she has actually been kicked out of a restaurant for this specific thing. While I understand the position of Posie and agree with much of her objections, in Posies world, there is no option for a trans to use a bathroom in many, many locations.
Now, I can see both sides of this issue and understand that a common single-user bathroom is the ideal solution, but until ALL businesses have caught up, there needs to be some solution. I think that the overwhelming vast majority of trans are conscious of these issues and probably try to be alone in a bathroom, if they do not "appear" as fully transitioned as someone like Blaire.
The main problem is the trans activists are moving at an extremely accelerated pace, relative to the rest of society catching up to all this. The rest of culture needs to process all this and figure out how to proceed. But, the trans activists will have NONE of that and are using this "trans rights" thing as a battering ram to shove instantaneous response from the rest of the world to acquiesce to their demands.
EDIT 1: Interesting subject a bit later and Posies asks.... "if you are a man, how can you say you feel like a woman"? If your a man, how can you know what it feels like to be a woman? Well, I don't know, but how does Posie know she "feels" like a woman. This is really just kind of a silly question here, as I don't have an answer. I am not trying to beat up on Posie, but she can't answer the question either... lol.
EDIT 2: @50:00 or so, Posie makes a spectacular point, that I don't hear often enough. The Gay Rights movement did NOT act the way the Trans Rights activists does. Gays wanted to be accepted and left alone, while trans are demanding we rethink LITERALLY our entire concept of male and female that have existed for 45 billion years or whatever it is.
EDIT 3: As for the guy that was put into a woman's prison for rape. He should have had his balls nailed to a wood post, while he was still attached to them. When he was almost dead, revived by doctors and continue to suffer for...... say...... another...... oh.... I don't know.... 75 years, give or take.
EDIT 4: Posie's closing thoughts are spot on. I have no doubt that there are some pedophiles that use trans as a "cover" to gain access to children. This is another reason why I am 100% opposed to all of this trans education in our schools. A case could be made for college and universities, but NOT before then.... period!!!!!!
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@svizzy4270 ... Amen <3
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There is ZERO question in my mind that when we finally find a path beyond the horror of a society we find ourselves in today, and not AT ALL convinced it will happen without devastation to that society, will become what we had out of WWII. A much more conservative one that goes back to its roots.
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For what we are facing now, is in MANY ways worse than those years, as this is an internal struggle within an existing society and NOT against an outside force that wishes us to take on THEIR society. We had a unifying force back then, so we actually stood united. Today... we stand very much divided and I do not see a path out of it.
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Sure, we may run these cult leftists out of office and some legislation can be overturned, but what of those who FORCED this division upon us? How does society go on, with a huge number of people who think the country in which they live is evil in its very design? They won't move away, because they are benefiting by the values they so vehemently claim to despise!
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The hatred is soo deep and so aggressive by some, I just don't see how we can share a society who refuses to live by ANY values created or held by the Western World.
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Believe it or not... what this country needs .... is another 9/11!
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@bludeuce3855 .. Yes... it certainly can be done and, as I said, we must ALWAYS try. However, there will be many who cannot make the leap. It takes them getting away from the blogs and the social media sites they are probably very fond. The issue is getting them into a one on one situation and willing to listen. I have spoken to hundreds online and would say I have made some headway, with well below 5% and was just some progress. I am a good communicator and do my best to make my positions from an emotional level, but at some point, they will have to be told facts that directly contradict their world view and where the issues tend to stagnate.
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In the end, the biggest issue with un-indoctrination, lies with the amount of verbiage necessary to do so. While it takes only a few words to say "we are killing the planet", it takes a MASSIVE conversation, to point out why we cannot just drop fossil fuels and put up a bunch of solar panels and call it good. Those comments are WAY, WAY longer than the average mindset, who is used to 1 min TikToks that say "conservatives are in the pocket of big oil" will read, because tl:dr.
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One on one conversations is what it takes and they have to be guided into participation. I will continue to try, but until we break up the teachers unions and begin hiring teachers on merit, rather than the number of pride flags they display in their 1st grade class... we are really F'd!
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@user-dk9uo4tj1x Sure. However, I ask that you not tl;dr me and read this, because it takes MUCH more language to answer a question, than it does to simply ask it 🐱
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1. How does capitalism promote prosperity: Take a look at the device you are using AT THIS MOMENT to read the words I have written. Chances are, this is not your first PC, cell-phone, iPad, laptop or whatever it is. Even if it is, it is an improved version (larger screen, better camera, additional memory, faster processing) than one say just a year or two ago. The ONLY reason you have that improved device or access to it, anyway, is because a person had incentive to create it, in order to make additional sales and guess what... make money to improve his / her life! (PROSPER) When I was co-owner of a family business, I retired some 8 years ago, there were probably 100 plumbing companies within a 50 mile radius. In order for MY company to be attractive enough to get one of the 150K people in that area to call my shoppe, was to offer better service, higher quality repairs or faster response time. My company opted to focus on higher quality materials, than most, as well as good ethics and very high quality of workmanship / training. While my shoppe was among the top 25, in terms of cost to secure our services, we prospered since 1976 and still going to this day. My company had over $1M in VOLUNTARY transactions every year, because we offered a specialized service that people CHOSE to pay for, due to the benefits listed above. I own my home outright since 2006 and have no loans of any kind, short of CC bill I pay in full every month and prospered well. 100% of my quality of life, my property, clothes I wear and the 3 PC's I had built in 2016, I owe to the PROSPERITY my company created for itself and the many employees who are doing just as well. Our company did not rip people off... we did not run a sweat shoppe and ALL of our employees chose to work for my company.
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2. Forcing citizens into crippling debt: Well, first of all... exactly NOBODY is "forced" into crippling debt, they CHOOSE IT! I am HS educated and since I am 59, I was fortunate enough to just miss the Marxist indoctrination that was just starting when I was in my earliest grade schools. There are many reasons why schools are failing America, so I will focus on the most important.... why do people go? Seriously, why? The overwhelming vast majority of people who CHOOSE to enter in to that crippling debt, will get ZERO benefit from it. College today, is an indoctrination factory they use to churn out activists. The social scientists... GARBAGE! The only reason to pursue college is for STEM, medical doctorate degrees, lawyers and there are a few others. It is not MY fault, that people CHOSE to take on all that debt to become and activist, which has next to ZERO opportunity to find a job that pays one for such an "education", so why should I now be asked to pay for it (Biden's proposed debt cancellation legislation). These were young adults who CHOSE to take on those loans and then spent all that money taking stupid classes that have next to zero chance of affording them higher income than getting a starting job at Wallmart or the local stationary store in town. Most of my friends did that, while I started working for my dad's new business, in which he worked solo. I worked hard, I did the right thing and I helped my Dad's company PROSPER into many employees and ultimately retired with an income of $112K year. Again.. 100% of those who called my company (purchased from dad so he could retire himself in mid 2006) CHOSE to pick up the phone and call ME, rather than the 99 other companies who had "Plumber" written on the side of their truck. I could give you several more reasons why college is more expensive than I should be, but I will leave it there.
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3. The problem with universal healthcare: I have written EXTENSIVELY upon this subject many times on this platform. This subject alone, requires 10x's more verbiage than already written above, to fully cover. However, I will give you a VERY abbreviated run-down of fundamental issues. This list is in NO way anywhere near complete...
a. People's life spans have increased by many years, over the course of the last 100 years
b. The older one gets, the more illnesses, disease they WILL get and some of them were a death sentence some 20 years ago (think cancer treatments, for a good example)
c. The reason those treatments exist, is because a person CHOSE to take on the financial burden of researching, testing and creating medications, medical procedures and equipment to do so
d. Those who invested that $$$ and resources MUST get reimbursed for that expense or the incentive is lost and they simply wont bother.
e. If there was no incentive to PROSPER one's life, most of those procedures, medications would have never been made
f. Companies invest millions, sometimes hundreds of millions of $$$ into research, developement to CREATE those things that have extended our lives, beyond the average 45 expected several hundred years ago.
g. In order for universal healthcare to function, it must have people who PAY, but do not utilize its services beyond very minor services.
h. As a person ages, he / she will need more invasive, more resource heavy procedures and medications. They will need more recovery time with physicians to care for them during it
i. This DEMANDS, that an ever increasing young population, be paying into the system for the ever INCREASING demands on that system with the longer living elderly who NEED those services
j. There comes a time, and we see it in UK, Canada and other nationalize healthcare countries, when the lines cross and rationing IS happening.
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Again.. there is TONS more to healthcare, but will finish with the following. Capitalism is the most effective means of prospering a people ever created and why it has not been replaced. Capitalism is the ONLY reason socialism can be implemented, because the state MUST have resources, in which to steal and give to others. When the state ceases property, resources from the PROSPEROUS people, take a guess what happens...? They no longer have the incentive to prosper, so then become a burden to the system. This is why hundreds of millions of people have been eliminated by communist countries and they live under authoritarian rule. This is why people risk their lives to escape Cuba on rafts to come to America. Why citizens of Venezuela are "living" in horrible conditions and the ruler of the country lives in opulence.
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Three things that exist within human nature:
1. human error
2. human ignorance
3. human malice / greed
So long as those exist, and little hint for you.. they ALWAYS have and ALWAYS will, those who have higher degree of #3, will ALWAYS seek power over others. When power is centralized (single source), that person can rule all with that malice and greed. When we have 100 people in power, referring to the plumbing companies in my area... each HAD to offer services that we VOLUNTEERED to engage.
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I ask you to ADDRESS what I have written in good faith, as I just spent 45 min. writing it all 🐈
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@? ... Firstly, I would like to thank you for not only taking GREAT lengths to respond to my question, but in good faith as well. I will be honest, I did not expect this, so you have my respect 🐱
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However, what this fails to recognize, is the investment, time, energy and resources that created the opportunity to create those innovations. When I left my company, sold my shares to my brother who was just as responsible for growth over time, there were 6 full-sized trucks. Each truck had all of the equipment necessary to do roughly 90% of any repair we would be tasked to complete, in a given day. Each truck was roughly a $100K investment in base cost of vehicle and the rest in faucets, toilets, parts and tools. Each of those vehicles were paid for by the company, as the worker who was hired, was handed the keys. The building in which all of the offices were located, was separate from the warehouse where a MASSIVE stock of all the same parts in trucks, were used to re-stock them the following day. Each building...? $250K or so, but now we add the material and that makes it another $300K or so and then we have office staff, desks, supplies, computers and the like, in the office building. This is another $150K, but we now have 2 full-time office manager and financial officer, who make $60~$70K annually. The workers did not have to make ANY of those investments, yet they MUST have all of them, in order to generate a profit for company, which in turn pays THEIR salary, which I have not even mentioned, is guaranteed by the hour. So, my brother and I were financially responsible for 100% of those items, and a mega sheet ton more of insurance, electricity building maintenance that I have not even included in the above. This means, my brother and I have well over $1M invested and if a truck is stolen or the building burns down, we did not go to the worker to rebuild or pay for a new truck, we did so ourselves. Yes, there is insurance, but it does not come close to paying for the lost time to replace those items. Over the last couple years, my brother has had to deal with MASSIVE theft issues, in which trucks are broken into, catalytic converters have been stolen, holes cut in tanks of truck to steal gas. While this costs MANY thousands of $$$ to repair, we cannot hit up insurance every time, as premiums wold go through the roof.
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Were the workers charged with the $$$ necessary to repair / replace the trucks or buildings...? No. Did the workers have to have their names as the ones responsible for ANY of those items...? No. Now, to get into why all of those costs exist and whether or not they are just or fair, is a COMPLETELY separate issue, but the point is... those costs DO exist and the workers are OWED those things as the employed. My bother and I take on absolutely MASSIVE financial responsibility and unless we do, not ONE of those workers are in a position in which they can create ANY of the billable hours to pay for ANY of those things. I have not even mentioned gasoline to keep the vehicles going every day or the many, many thousands of $$$ my brother had to invest in security around property, that only slows down many of the criminals who steal from him. He has installed cameras, but thieves spot the cameras, so avoid face being seen and they can break into a truck and steal many thousands of $$$ in tools in 15 min. The truck is then unable to be driven for at bare minimum of 2 days, as repairs / restock needs to happen. Were the workers handed a bill for those repairs...? No, they are not.
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Again, we can argue why all of those things are what they are... but they ARE all expenses, risks and capitol expended by the owners so that we can dispatch workers to someones home and make repairs. If one of our guys makes an error and floods a home... many, many thousands of $$$, and EXTREMELY pissed off customer who now jumps on social media and bashes our company and 90% of the time, has the facts all wrong, yet the company has to pay for the repairs. Did I mention the insurance for a plumbing company..? Until one runs a shoppe, he / she has ZERO idea of the expense, risk involved. The worker is hired, guaranteed a certain salary, REGARDLESS of any of the above factors, so when my brother and I took THAT much risk... you are GD'd right, we are going to make enough money to be worth it for us to do so. That does NOT mean "exploiting" my workers and tell you that is EXTREMELY offensive to hear that from someone who has ZERO invested in what it takes to provide that worker a spot in my (my brother's) company!
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There are further expenses / risks, but this is plenty to make my point. No doubt, in the next 1/2 hour, I will think of better examples and scenarios to illustrate why things are the way they are, but the fact remains they ARE this way.
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PS> As for the "govt's roll", one must recognize something. The govt. creates exactly NOTHING, except the appropriation of it citizens taxes, hires thousands of full-time, full benefit guaranteed salary workers. They then build / support The Pentagon, White House, Congress / Senate / SCOTUS buildings, land, energy demands and all the rest only to THEN send about 5% that will directly benefit me. So 95% of every dollar we spend in taxes, goes to a mega sheet ton of OTHER crap, before I get any benefit. Ask yourself where the $100B in aid to Ukraine comes from, to mention 1 single item. How about the jobs DESTROYED by feds and state govt. shutting down businesses? Did my brother's expenses go down when people were scared to death of letting a stranger into their home to make repairs? No, they did not. My brother had to invest time / resources in to dealing with customer's concerns and that slows down productivity. Were the workers paid LESS for those considerations...? nope! Before you say.."it was just a mask", no.... it is extra time office spends on phone, addressing concerns. It is customers who try to communicate a problem through a mask and from across the room. It is customers who called my brother and said that HIS worker was responsible for getting them or child sick! THEN... they hit up social media and say that our company is spreading illness (you know which, but YouTube just deleted my comment for saying THAT word)!
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Still more to say, but I already promised to stop... lol Again... you have my respect for a good faith argument to represent your position well.
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YouTube KEEPS deleting my comment... :😡
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I believe there to be a universal "truths" or "facts" in life and to which Sam also subscribes.
I think this because the VERY first humans to occupy earth did not have a bible telling them the difference between good and bad. So if that human left his / her cave and found an animal that was looking for food, that human would instinctively categorize the situation as "bad" and attempt escape. Should he / she be successful in escaping this animal and survive, it would be categorized as "good". If he got eaten, he would not categorize anything... he'd just be lunch :(
That human without ever hearing a story, communicated with another human or having read text to define what is "good" or "bad", remained alive. It makes no difference how that sense is perceived within the mind or passed on to another human, it is understood as a fundamental truth. Since he /she lives another day by paying attention to the environment and having physical skills, such an act would then be categorized as a "fact" of life. Even with NO bible, prior to the described event, that human knows a fundamental truth and cannot possibly be denied.
Jordan wants to assign a path of knowledge that led that human to see "good" as fact. Maybe Jordan sees the events leading up to the attack as this "path", but it was INSTINCT that told the human to run. The events leading up to that instinct to run, are just signs of how to categorize a thought process be more alert in the future.
Neither Sam nor I need to believe in or assign credit to a god to recognize bad or good in this context. Now, as life progresses, there are going to be things that will seem bad or good in the short term, yet prove to be a valuable lesson in the future and where we discover wisdom.
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@barbaraibiel ... RE: Kyle is not big on pronouns : I don't follow Kyle, but from what I heard here and in segments prior, he appears to want universal healthcare. I have MASSIVE issues with universal healthcare and has nothing to do with what the overwhelming preponderance would think ascribe my motivation. I am opposed to it, because the ONLY way to provide such care, is to steal labor from one person and give it to another. Still another reason, is that in America, specifically, due to the mix of society and our propensity of being overweight, we would CATASTROPHICALLY abuse the system and drive costs through the roof. Due to a nearly an open border, we would get a much higher number of people wanting in and would tax the system even more. We have 330M+ people in America and a FAR more diverse society, in terms of race, ethnicity and backgrounds. Nearly all countries have MUCH better control of their border and have a mostly a single race population. This means they all share very similar values and if you compare it to America, we have raised 3 generations of those who think socialism is a good thing and huge amount feel entitled to healthcare, UBI, free rent and the like.
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This is NOT the America I signed up for and it is being destroyed from the inside.
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EDIT: Thank you, but the subpoena for Trump and others are currently in court awaiting if they will be LEGALLY required to appear in front of Congress. It is not obstruction, until the courts say they must appear and then fail to do so.... there is NO OBSTRUCTION at this point by Trump or others, so that charge is pure crap.
To answer your questions, in order
NO - not impeachable. His phone call was pretty stupid and he should not have done it
YES - Dem's are way over their skiis and TDS has completely consumed them to the point of EXTREME corruption!
YES - They are out of line and you are about to tell us why.
In short, we all know Trump is the combination between an ahole & a troll, I call him an "aTrahole". While this is clearly part of his personality, it has really been aggressive due to vicious attacks on his character since literally the day he took office (see news paper headlines of Jan. 16, 2017). I am not making excuses, I just think he would be vastly less ahole and more troll, if he had gotten a fair shake from the start. With that said, Trump was elected because of what has been happening on he left and not a result of it. If Hillary was in power, the absolutely INSANE Dem's would have gotten much farther with their socialist agenda they seek.
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@icedriver2207 ... Try having a city with NO police and see what happens to the levels of crime! Taken a look at Portland, Chicago, San Crapcisco, Michigan, NY and others that have defunded and reduced the officers? Whether by malicious prosecution of officers for 100% justified response to criminal / illegal behavior being charged with murder and / or simply tossing them under the bus INSTANTLY upon outrage mobs on social media.
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Just because some moron will say that "NinjaKittyBonks" is 100% pro-cop in 100% of circumstances"... I will add the following. Yes... there are "bad cops", because there are bad people in society and some of them will aspire to and become officers. I don't and won't make excuses for them, but the OVERWHELMING number of these high-profile cases, in which an officer was / is charged with murder, was 100% justified to use that force.... FULL STOP!
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For those that are charged with using excessive force, to whatever degree it is... here's an idea... we actually have a legal proceeding, in which we don't have mayors, governors and POTUS condemning that officer as a murderer, prior to even adjudicating the case!
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There's a novel Fing idea! Anyone who thinks that reducing the number of officers, will or does make that area safer in ANY way... is a total Fing MORON!
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@thomasjoseph5876 ... I currently own an 02 Saleen that I took to Griggs Racing and installed a full racing suspension under it. Don't drive it as much as I used to, but if I got 8K out of my tires, it was good thing... lol. I am not into going fast, but I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, LOVE x10 taking backroads and fast corners. Lots of fun to drive, but it actually wears you out after a few hours behind the wheel. The suspension is EXCEEDINGLY responsive, and run 10" / 11" wide 30 series race tires, so tramlines all over the place... lol. It can very easily look like a drunk driver, because of how it drives.
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I am 57 now, so I don't drive it as hard as I used to. I was never a crazy aggressive driver, but I used to push it VERY hard in the corners of California HWY 1 up the coast. Still head up there once in a while, but drive much more conservative these days :)
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@Googlag Inmate #666 ... OMG... Perfect example right now! I left the page and YT had deleted my comment due to a word below
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This still leaves it up to a group or political body to determine WHAT is deemed acceptable speech. Clearly, you and I can come up with 20 or so words that are pretty much considered offensive or should not be said in mixed company.
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Example: We might agree that saying "that girl is a *hore" is considered explicit. OK, what if I say..."That girl is a garden tool"? I just said the same thing, only used better language. That might make it past the "advisory" sticker, but do we want kids to say "garden tool" to describe a girl that is, ummm.... "experienced" ..lol.
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This ALWAYS comes down to who decides what is / is not offensive. So, the breast thing we can do, is put a sticker for the 7 naughty words and expect that parents WILL BE parenting their kids. There is no doubt, kids will be exposed to it by their friends and such, but that has ALWAYS been the nature of adolescence.
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Teach your kids a good moral center, teach them right from wrong, take the time to TRULY explain important topics when they come up and they will be just fine :)
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This comment being deleted is a textbook example of YouTube taking on the role of "protecting its users". However, need only look at the context of what I said and COMPLETELY changes what I was actually saying. I have MASSIVE issues with YT censoring with such a broad brush, but happens to me all the time in discussions like this :)
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@tsdobbi .. You are right, the GOP will not flood the black community with resources... they will just be a HELL of a lot better at getting the hell out of their lives and allow them the opportunities they have. I never said that blacks were gonna jump ship to GOP, but blacks are far more conservative than most realize already. Sadly, it is those who are younger support the Democratic party, who does nothing but pander to how they will "save them" from conservatives, while not saying a damned thing about the rotten culture they embrace that keeps them exactly where they are in society.
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The problem with black neighborhoods is 100% the responsibility of black fathers who don't raise their children and THAT is due in no small part, because Democrats require Welfare mothers NOT have a father in the home. I get the idea of not paying 2 parent homes, but I'd rather see us not pay a GD'd dime to any of them, so they have incentive to clean up their act.
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What we have today, cannot be solved by politicians. We have a catastrophic divide, brought to us by Marxist indoctrination, because parents have absolutely failed their children for the last 3 generations. They were too busy "having it all" with a vacation home for the Winter / Summer months and allowed their children to be raised by nannies, babysitters, daycare and the worst of the worst.... the public school system. EDIT: and the internet!
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There are many things wrong today and 100% of them could be well on the way to being mended, if there were common values that we shared. The Democrats have allowed the Marxist cult to take over their party, so there is JUST as big a divide with the Dem's, but the only difference being, is that the moderates won't say anything, for fear of getting cancelled. The GOP are fairly divided, but we only know it, because they say so!
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YOUTUBE EMPLOYEE.... AGAIN YOU SIMPLY HIDE MY COMMENT, RATHER THAN HAVE THE CONVICTION TO JUST DELETE IT. YOU THINK YOU ARE FOOLING ME, BUT YOU ARE NOT.....THIS IS SAD!
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YOUTUBE EMPLOYEE.... LOOK AT HOW PARANOID YOU ARE THAT I WILL SAY SOMETHING YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH. YOU ARE DELETING 90% OF MY COMMENTS THAT HAVE LITERALLY ZERO TO DO WITH ANY OF THE WORDS I HAVE SAID... ONLY THAT I HAVE SAID WORDS. YOU CONTINUE TO BE A COWARD, WHO FEELS THE NEED TO REMOVE MY WORDS, BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE THE COURAGE TO ENGAGE WITH THEM. DOES NOT MATTER WHAT I SAY, YOU DELETE MY COMMENTS BY DEFAULT! YOUTUBE HAS NEVER ONE TIME SENT ME A NOTIFICATION OF TOS VIOLATION, YET YOU HAVE OPTED TO HIDE BEHIND AN ALGORITHM AND SUPPRESS MY VOICE. WELL, AS I HAVE AND WILL CONTINUE TO TELL YOU... REMOVING MY COMMENTS DOES ABSOLUTELY (SIZE 2 BILLION FONT) ..."ZERO" TO CHANGE MY OPINION OR MY MIND. YOU JUST CONTINUE TO HIDE BEHIND COMPUTER CODE, RATHER THAN STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE AND YOU WILL SELF RESPECT. IF YOU CANNOT DEFEAT MY IDEAS WITH YOUR OWN, YOU ARE A COWARD.
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GO AHEAD AND DELETE MY COMMENTS, I WILL STILL MAKE THEM ANYWAY.
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@SnakeWasRight ... The problem is that the Constitution takes NO stand on abortion. If you want to see this as fundamental rights... OK, what about the baby and his / her rights? This "clump of cells" WILL become a human being, if left to take the course of nature. 100% of the DNA is present, for this to take place, it need only nourishment. However, this IS an economic thing, as Planned Parenthood is federally funded, so some of those tax dollars DO go to fund abortions. Since we cannot agree on when life begins, pro-choice people use "heartbeat" or some recognizable feature to determine a "baby". Got news for you.... it was ALWAYS a baby, it is just under-developed for a period of time. That "clump of cells" has everything it needs, aside from nourishment from the mother. The mother does not eat a "heart" or "toes" that attach themselves to the fetus, they grow from the DNA that existed from conception.
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Since this nation will NEVER agree on one way or the other, to have a federal law that supports what many believe to be murder, it is best left to the states. There will ALWAYS be states that will approve abortions, so let's have 50 different interpretations of how to address this issue, rather than the feds saying the abortion way or the highway.
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@SnakeWasRight ... RE: no, they will not... : I am as secular as anyone you will ever meet and I think abortion is horrendous. I don't claim they will go to hell for supporting it or have to answer to some higher power, I just think that too many people want absolution of responsibility.
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I am frustrated that abortion is considered a "woman's rights" issue, and the rights of the father and the baby, zygote, clump of cells... whatever one wants to call conception, have to deal with what ever she wants to do. If a female becomes pregnant, she has 100% every right to DEMAND financial support, at the very least, from the father, should she decide to carry to term and until 18, if she decides to raise. However, if she wants to abort and he is willing to support or take over any / all support for baby until the end of time, she can say take BOTH rights away.
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Now, in the end... this last scenario "may" currently be 100% on him, because he probably did not plan for such a contingency. I don't want ANYONE forced to do something they don't want to do, but BOTH people made a deal to be have an experience that created a life and right now....? that life is spoken of as if it should be seen as merely inconvenient.
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@SnakeWasRight ... RE: That's not an anti-abortion stance... : It is true that I believe the number is around 67% feel that abortion should have SOME limitations, but that if that is what all of those screaming think, they are doing an exceedingly poor job of understanding what this draft would mean, should it be finalized in this form.
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This should NEVER have been twisted into being a Constitutional issue, as it clearly is not. The whole idea of having states, is to be a "test tube" for different values about EVERYTHING, not explicitly protected / enforced under the Constitution / Bill of rights. Let the states handle this individually. Some, undoubtedly will ban abortion in conceivably all situations, but I think that is extremely unlikely. When r*** , in** or GENUINE physical health of mother is in serious consideration, the back lash of forcing a carry to term is not going to go over well at all!
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@deadzoneternity .. RE For someone that says no on has an argument... : Very well said :) There are two reasons why we will NEVER come to a consensus about this topic:
1. Why would a person be pro-life, if not to "control" women in some way?
2. When does life begin?
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The answer to 1, has a number of reasons, but is NOT the real problem here... it is 2! One of the best arguments I have heard is if we discovered a single-celled growing item on Mars... scientists WOULD call it the discovery of unique "life". In order for pro-choice people to acknowledge conception as "life", they cannot escape a valid charge of murder or intentional homicide, if one prefers such terminology, because that "clump of cells" is a unique life that took an outside force (no pun intended, I swear... lol) to make that life possible.
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This is the blinders that most, use to alleviate the guilt they ABSOLUTELY feel, to justify abortion and, if they are honest with themselves.. feel after an abortion is performed. The act of abortion is EXTREMELY violent and invasive to a woman's "personal space" as any you can name.
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However... those literally screaming for abortion rights, will not likely acknowledge any of this :(
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@jamesmiller5331 ... RE: yeah man I"m totally unwilling... : Doing more than your fair share of projection here, so I will clean it up for you :)
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I did not, nor have I been emotional at any point in this thread, I just happen to think that particular comment was flippant and ridiculous. To suggest, and let's be clear.. you are suggesting this... abortion should be used to reduce the number of "mouth breathers" on the planet. I will 100% grant to you that parents have ABSOLUTELY failed their children, as they have put focus on 10 foot high security wall, over a white picket fence. They have decided that a summer home in the Hampton's and daycare, is preferable to asking their children what they learned in school that day and actually listening to the answer.
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One thing is clear... while Joseph McCarthy was an EVIL PoS, in how he addressed the "communist threat" in the 50's... he was 100% correct about it! More or less children is not the solution to avoid socialism, it is as you suggested, it is an issue of truly parenting their children and making sure they understand not only history, but how and why The Constitution & Bill of Rights were created.
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Maybe you have not read all of my comments, but in one of them, I addressed the issue of my religious motivations..... I have none. I just happen to think that abortion is the taking of a human life, under the guise of a "woman's right to choose".
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@deadzoneternity .... RE: The idea that you or any individual... : Either you have misspoke in your first few words or have not been paying attention to what I have / been saying.... I happen to think it is the former :)
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I understand many of the reasons I hear one say they are pro-choice, I just happen to think the overwhelming number of them are excuses for lack of responsibility OR the false belief that men simply want to control women because patriarchy BS.
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Your middle paragraph is spot on and I am in 100% agreement and have said as much, if not in THIS thread, but one or two others on the same subject of other videos :)
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Little lol on your last paragraph, as it seems you completely misunderstood the meaning of 1 & 2. I was not listing them as in number or importance or even in ORDER of importance, as they could have been in either order. They are simply 2 things that MUST be understood, before a pro-choice person can understand probably 98% of pro-life people's motivations.
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I think that you just read my response(s) too quickly, and I'm not applying malice to you in this regard, then wrote this reply. No harm no foul and as I always say, I appreciate those that make arguments or critique mine in good faith and you have done so :) Peace, TSM!
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PS> I do appreciate your separation of paragraphs. Not only easier to digest changes of topic, but just easier to read in general. I have seen comments that surpass my own in length, but are one single paragraph and often lack proper punctuation so that much harder to understand... lol
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@deadzoneternity ... RE: Initially I read your reply... : Yes, the "you" did strike me funny, so I figured there was something missing from your line... lol :)
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As for the order in which to understand each other, and in the interest of breaking it down a bit further, I do not necessarily think we can even agree that abortion is wrong first thing, as that lies on moral ramifications and will probably halt any progress before any is even made. My personal approach, would be to first ask a pro-choice person to tell me why they think a pro-life person is opposed to abortion. From most, if not all of those screaming in the streets, what I have seen is they skip directly past WHY abortion is opposed and directly to the "woman's rights" to her body or decisions.
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By establishing that control is NOT the motivation, I think this will lower the guard for a more civil dialog. Of course, it STILL is not likely to get that far, as the opposition is so entrenched with a "fight" mentality, that those screamers are not going to stop screaming long enough to get a baseline understanding of even why there is an opposing view.
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Such is the nature of discourse on the abortion debate, but made all the worse by the "holier than thou, morally superior" leftist, who believes the heckler's veto is free speech :(
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PS> In regards to our missing each other's meanings in this thread. I love when a conversation comes together and understanding is found :)
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@deadzoneternity ... RE: The reason I think people... : Ya, it was a bit hard to read. You were rambling a little... lol :) I really like your line of ..."it should be a procedure that isn't allowed, but with exceptions to allow it". This speaks to the camp of "Safe, legal and rare" which is something ONLY the most hardcore pro-life would say is not enough.
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I think that it is foolish for anyone, you and I included, to think that abortion will ever be universally seen as evil, because it is not easy to judge oneself that harshly. I also think that, because the Western World values tilt VERY strongly toward the preservation / saving of human lives, the pro-choice crowd is just not going to be sold on a zygote or "clump of cells" being a human life. Some can be persuaded, as I myself was pro-choice most of my life. This was because I never really gave it the deep consideration it really deserves and saw it as a "woman's right".
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At the end of the day, I would like to see as many laws written for the State level, rather than federal. The Constitution, it's amendments and The Bill of Rights, are the ONLY things that should be concerned with and the rest left to states. This will / would no doubt lead to some states going pretty far off-script, but would greatly reduce these impossibly polarizing issues, because if we hated something so much... we could move. Sure, that is inconvenient, but the alternative is federal over-reach which is EXACTLY what happened with Roe vs. Wade.
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I support ANY legislation, aside from those mentioned just above, that falls out of the hands of fed and into the states!
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Peace, TSM
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Fenwick Chick ... Not saying something should not be reported, only that it be done in a reasonable time frame, not years after the incident in question, and that we don't see these massive smear campaigns of media tour for 6 mo's talking endless ly about a persons claimed behavior, when there has been ZERO opportunity for this person to tell their side of the story. Lawyers will ALWAYS tell clients not to speak, because the tiniest miss step can open the door and make it worse.
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Media tours and interviews to the public space, should be legally forbidden, under penalty of threatening legal case of being thrown out. Just the bad publicity alone is enough to destroy a person's entire life and later, like JD for example... "ooopsy.... my bad".
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I am also not saying to punish them for not proving their case, but when the case has been proven to be completely made up or blown way out of proportion, there needs to be some form of punishment for putting everyone though a process that was BS. By the time it gets to that point, the damage to the defendant has been done and not often do they fully recover. Using JD as an example, he has other irons in the fire and built enough good will, that he will be fine, but this is not the case with many.
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PS> We have all seen the college stories of the "Mattress back" girl and that very well respected... wasn't rugby, but forget the sport, who were DEVASTATED for many years and all turned out to be made up by a girl who did not want to be in trouble for getting home late or something. This has happened MANY times and lives are destroyed and the feminists all say... "well, men get away too often, so we can't risk women not coming forward". Well, they are more likely to come forward when there is NO legal consequences.
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@metalcadude2 ... I know some have said two or triple penalty, but my opinion is no. That is seeking revenge, not due process. As for not having a favorable outcome, this is not what I was referring to either. As mentioned in a couple comments here already, barring media / interview tours would be a MASSIVE reduction in harm that may turn out to have been unwarranted. THAT way, all of the things come out in legal proceedings when the accused can actually address them right away and not 6 mo or 1 year later after losing business, lively hood or whatever else, over accusations that were later proven to be false, or at least NOT proven to be true.
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It is simply not possible to eliminate one party or the other being wronged, but if we take out the long term wrecking machine that pre-dates the point at which the person can respond, there is simply no way to recover from that. We have seen MANY destroyed by false claims that have never and will never recover. There is no additional damage to even a true victim of a serious assault, by waiting until legal adjudication can be done. If the charges are serious enough, that person can and SHOULD be watched or otherwise monitored, but when there are NO consequences for made up or grossly exaggerated claims... lives are destroyed and rarely do we even see public shaming of the one who made those false claims.
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1) This person does not have any money / assets worth the trouble
2) The system is chock full of corrupt as F leftist DA's, judges, mayors and governors
3) The Joseph Goebbels Propaganda Media machine will just paint her as the poor victim and run every claim ever made against him interspersed with video clips of him in theatrical stages of binding women or worshiping Satan or some sheet. They will drag up every legal case ever made, whether true or even proved false, but just not say anything more than the charges brought
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@kateashby3066 ..... While I agree, the decision to file a lawsuit is with one who makes the accusation, the decision to go forward and represent that person is not. If there was a standard of max delay, prior to filing, say 1 year (some exceptions would HAVE to be made for coma or legit reasons to be determined) and the accuser were barred from a public release of interviews / details of alleged actions pre-trial, this would go a long way. Lawyers will vet their clients MUCH more rigorously and make sure some key things are able to be established. As evil the handling and persecution of justice Kavanaugh was, he was able to respond to accusations right away. The HUGE issue, was the 35+ year duration of time since alleged assault. I get that a victim would have trauma, but with that much time, we are relying on human memories and may that are no longer alive. This is an extreme example, but that whole thing should have never been allowed to be presented in open floor discussions, but rather in private to determine if allowed to be presented. In the end, he was BRUTALIZED in open floor graphic discussion and not one key thing claimed was near provable. Kavanaugh went through hell, just as many musicians / famous people, so the process alone is extreme punishment and in the end... "my bad, sorry" is the very best they will EVER get in return.
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@lvincent8843 ... The one song that particularly stands out, when I think of the first few Shakti LPs, is "The Daffodil and The Eagle" from Natural Elements. Your guitar work, does this wonderful dance with L Shankar's violin and is just spectacular :)
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Yes, I am a Tool fan and just a music nut of pretty much all instruments. However, I am most fond of the "vibrating string". Whether it be guitar, piano, bass, cello, harp or banjo, there is just something about the sound such instruments make that impresses me. Of course, my favorite and the most unique of ALL vibrating strings.... vocals. Music is such a blessing and nice to meet someone who appreciates it as I do :)
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@kenyapressley6706 ... So, by your logic, if ever I am to lodge or give voice to a complaint, i must necessarily list 100% of every issue that I have or just the issue?
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Nobody I know, denies this as a MASSIVE problem, and only one of countless enabled by current admin, but does this condition apply only to myself or everyone in this thread? Wait... I guess it would apply to every person not only on this platform, but on planet earth!
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You got it! From this point forward, I will make it my life's mission to list every problem in which you have compiled and write them in each comment I EVER make anywhere and, of course... add to it my own list below and then prioritize THIS issue atop. I will need you to provide me with your said "list of problems" in order of priority and then update me on the daily. Um, better make that hourly or any such time you amend your list of complaints.
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Meanwhile, I will solicit the list of 8B+ people on this earth to do the same... no problem 😸
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PS> Ummmmm, what about those in other galaxies? Jheez... it just got really complicated 😿
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@iuvalclejan ... Yes, this is the case, but it goes MUCH farther than that. Example: Were you to say Barack Obama on at least two channels I sub, your comment will be removed. Those words would NEVER be removed, were they in a positive light, but if one were to say ..."I love Barack Obama", within a comment on either of those two creators... POOF!
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This is due to each being very critical of said person, so the aglo is written specifically for these two channels to remove ANY comment with those two words, because the algo was written to "assume" any and all references to that person's name will be negative or critical.
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@iuvalclejan .. Sorry.... I blurted out the "Conversion Therapy" banner, but failed to make it clear.. my bad 😿
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I figure you already know what Conversion Therapy is, so will get to how it relates to the podcast I was moderating yesterday. The guest was speaking largely about the WPATH files recently released and how the doctors there were discussing things the overwhelming number of us were concerned about, but denied was the case for years. Because the guest of the podcast, was sharing information that is NOT welcome here, it is my assumption, that somebody saw this "in progress" podcast in their recommends, opened it up, was ideologically opposed to what the guest was saying, so reported the podcast to YouTube.
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YouTube then applies that banner just below video and above the description for all to see. We are VERY familiar with the "CDC one for Covid", "Jan. 6th insurrection" BS and there are a few others. Never seen a "Conversion Therapy" prior, but had a single sentence that says the following..." The Trevor Project: Conversion therapy refers to a range of dangerous and discredited practices aimed at changing one’s sexual orientation or gender identity or expression."
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This topic nor these words were ever mentioned on the podcast, yet this banner is a "threat" to the creator he / she is getting close to unacceptable content and seeking to create bias and or fear, in a user who sees the video, as if the content were promoting or recommending it. Truly vile such a thing was done, but such is life as a wrong-thinker on this platform.
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Yes. I am aware of multiple means to disguise my words, but of course, none of them are because of threats, cursing or calls for [bad+things+people], but rather just those things we cannot say because protected class feelings. I have been reminded of the "sort" button again and how it is used to DIRECTLY shadow-ban comments and how many of mine I have been able to see, that I was POSITIVE were removed. Of course, the default setting is "Top Comments", when it is "New Comments" that displays those hidden comments. Even within the replies of a thread, comments reappear with this setting.
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I now moderate 5 channels, as YouTube has banned me from chat rooms in EVERY ONE, except those I moderate. This drove me to actually ask 2 creators to make me moderator, JUST so I can be seen in chat room. Most others that work initially (open "Participants" 3 dots above chat window) I will be listed for about 10 minutes and... POOF! While I can still see all looks normal, refresh the page, check participants and I am no longer listed. 90% of my regular comments are auto-removed, because I am on the radar.
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In addition to blocking my being seen in chat, YouTube ALSO, removes ALL of my chats that have scrolled up off the window, once I have been blocked. So, unless one scrolls up to previous chats and LOOKS for me, they will never even know I was present. I am pretty sure this translates to the chat replay as well, but not sure. I have a Wordpad mapped to my "F4" key, so I back up EVERY comment that comes within 500 miles of wrong-think, in the event I refresh and... POOF! I can encrypt and try again. I have several threads going right now, where the person pressing [you know what thinking] replies to me directly and when I retort... POOF! This makes it appear I am ducking after someone "owned me".
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Very frustrating to be here.
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@jonathanferguson2801 ... 2 questions:
1) PROVE to me this i not a natural occurrance, as Greenland has layers of frozen / thawed / frozen / thawed / frozen layers that are many thousands of years old. Tell me, how is it we can use science developed in the last 100 years, to extrapolate changes that have happened over a 100K? I have am absolutely fine with reducing carbon burning, but what do we replace it with? Don't tell me solar, wind, hydro, because they do not produce enough energy to sustain the population.... this is fact! We could cover the earth with solar panels and THEN we need a MASSIVE amount of batteries to store the energy we get. Those batteries require a MASSIVE amount of nickle and other very toxic minerals that guess what... WE NEED TO EXCAVATE! So, then what do we do about all of the holes and mining we do?
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2) Do you know how much we would reduce the TOTAL carbon foot print of the globe, if America were to be 100% carbon free / neutral? .... less than 15%. If you want to reduce carbon, talk to India, China, Mexico and others who, guess what...pollute the EXACT same air we all breath!
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How about you stop listening to those who push fear porn and recognize that they don't have solutions... only fear! Now, how about YOU pay more attention :)
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@Main ... Because you are acting like one.
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Each time I say we need to tell our daughters and society to stand up against tyranny, you come up with a reason not to. Look, I am 100% in favor of supporting those who support not necessarily only conservative values, but those 98% of BOTH Democrats and Republicans all supported, less than 1 decade ago. Great... let's continue to do that, but while we are sitting around hoping to vote them up the ranks to write legislation in the next 5~10 years, the girls, ladies and women all around us are watching their sports and spaces invaded by weak ass beta males. To this point, your reply is that it will not end soon, because the CDC gave millions of $$$, resistance brings punishment and that we need to wait for the GOP to address it.
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F GD'd NO! The ladies and women of this world are expected to STFU and just accept the INSANE disrespect they are being forced to endure and I am TELLING them to fucking fight! Stand up for yourself! Don't hide behind pixelated screens and disguised voices and give interviews on local TV.... DO NOT COMPLY! Stay on the swim team and when the starting bell sounds... just stand there! Playing by rules that are unfair, and you said so with your Serina Williams comment above, than I don't want to hear a peep about it. These two boys are NOT the problem in the girls track team.. it is those who allow them to participate. I say 100% of the parents need to attend every one of the meetings and stand united against them. I say 100% of the parents teach their daughters to fight moral injustice and do not comply. Stand tall... take the criticism... and bring so much GD'd resistance against what they are doing, they will be forced to resign.
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What would happen, if when these two boys were lined up with all of the girls and when the starting bell sounded, they were the only ones to race? Well, they would win, but so what... THE WIN ANYWAY! This means that all of the girls are fighting for a single podium position. As the elimination rounds begin, they all slowly drop out anyway, because only the highest positions advance. Eventually... we would see ONLY the boys standing for the top athlete of the year... in the GIRLS division! THIS will make the news and every time one of they boys gives an interview, they will asked.."how does it feel that no biological women will compete against you? Do you think that is right or fair?"
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They will get tired of answering the same questions and simultaneously the girls will be giving THEIR interviews and inspiring stories of how they stood up for themselves. Parents will be proud of their daughters and their younger sisters and female friends will have great respect and they too will join the fight.
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I have never been jabbed, never tested and defied a judge to throw me in jail for contempt of court, because I refused to wear a Covid mask for jury duty. They threatened me over and over with what would happen, if I did not appear masked and I said NO! I told them that it was a hill I was willing to die on and that police would have to kick in my door and take me by gun point to jail. I said I would STILL not wear a mask and for any reason, for any amount of time and that it was not-negotiable.
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He released me from jury duty because mine was not an empty threat I said all this in written letter with my signature at the bottom. Imagine if only 50% of the population took such a stand, when the police showed up and told them they need to close their business for Covid? Does anyone think that all of the small towns and big cities can deal with THAT many people being arrested? No, they cannot.
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One can die on his feet or live on his knees... tyranny is no way to live and tyranny is precisely what we these girls are facing. Peace, Main 🐱
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@goyim6866 .... 100% agree! What is most amazing to me, is that the feminists are all but silent on this.
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We had Dylan go to the White House and discuss "women's issues". We just had a male spokes person for the "Her She" bar ad campaign. Last year, we had a man win the Ms. Nevada & Ms. New Hampshire. We had a guy represent a feminine hygiene company last year. We have seen HUNDREDS of men in various ads and videos telling us "what it is to be a woman". We have seen a boatload of trans travel the daytime TV circuit and say in so many words, that they cannot identify what a woman is, because it is whatever a person thinks it means. To be a women is to be a "spectrum". The degree of misogyny is CATASTROPHIC, but all we hear is birds chirping!
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The level of disrespect toward not only 1/2 of the worlds population, but the beings we entrust the most critical function in ALL of human history, is unparalleled... YET.... feminists decry they don't need no man. There are some feminists who addressing all this, but they old school feminists have allowed the WOKE cult to overtake their movement and it knows only how to destroy and incapable of building anything.
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This fight for female sports and spaces absolutely MUST be fought from the inside and men cannot rescue them from this. The fathers, sons and brothers of them absolutely can help the fight, but the nature of females makes them far too agreeable and is allowing the cult to destroy their sports and spaces.
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Girls, ladies and women... you had better wake the F up and damned fast! This is NOT going to change anytime soon, unless you get off of your collective asses and F'ING FIGHT BACK!
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@starter0951 ...This is 90% spot on, excepting that these boys will not be paid less*, but rather be celebrated as "so stunning.... so brave" by a Nike or something. As ridiculous as it sounds, there certainly would be the WOKE feminist cult that would say you or I standing up for the importance of female-only sports and the privacy of female's spaces, would be vilified. Of course, it would go WAY beyond simple mansplaining to being a racist, white supremacist, bigoted, homophobic, anti-PoC, sexist, misogynist, fat-phobic, ableist, science denying, anti-climate saving, pro-fossil fuels, puppy kicking hate mongers... just to name a few "ists" thrown our way.... lol
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*Sports are and should remain a merit based, market driven system, that pays an athlete a relative scale of what they generate for those who sponsor / financially support them. Contrary to the claim that women are only paid $.70 cents on the dollar compared with men, a merit based system is the most, to use the parlance of our current time.... "equitable" approach for financial reward. When the HS boys team can out perform the World Cup winning ladies soccer team, that should tell us a little about the fundamental differences between males and females, when it comes to athletic strength and speed.
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@starter0951 ... In all seriousness.. you have helped me to further recognize why it is I continue to remain engaged in conversations like these. That reason is because the divide we see literally ripping our society apart, can never be bridged, if we simply dismiss the other party as stupid, unthinking or evil.
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This happens on each side of the political spectrum and each and every one of those who have any real life experience, recognizes at least one thing. When words have been abandoned, there is but a single course of action left to settle differences.
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Throughout all of history, we have seen those who come out the other side and with the hindsight of calling balls and strikes, once the baseball game is over, says the same thing. I wish that X number of years ago we had worked this all out when the ideological gap was very small.
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They say that history is written by the victor, I would rather we never have that war and share a pint* instead. Peace, Main 🐈⬛head bonk
*I would INSIST that pint be a Guinness. If you have a problem with that... Oh, yes... it is WAR! 😾... lol
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@TheConsideredMan ... G. Michael Hopf is credited with the origin of the line with in the book "Those Who Remain: A Postapocalyptic Novel" (ya, I had to DDG that), but could not resist adding that last part. Feminist ideology is a solid 50 years past when it has done ANYTHING positive for anyone. The demand of "oppression" to rally against, is LIGHT-YEARS more than the supply, so here we are. Women don't need no man, just go on OF and be "empowered"! Ya, be empowered to be a slut and destroy your value as a mate, in 50% of the general male population and 100% of the "high value" men, that each and everyone seeks, when time comes to settle down. Well, "high value" men, have conservative tendencies, which is why they will give their life to protect and provide for their family.
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I would argue a huge number of these OF girls will end up "settling" (in their mind), for a beta-male, because he will simp for her. She will grow tired of that simping and be a single, divorced cat lady then begin to realize that feminism lied to her.
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@redwall1521 ... Yes. there are weak men, but they have the excuse NOT to become strong ones! Back on Dec. 7th, 1941, there were a HELL of a lot of men and women, some weak, some strong, that volunteered to go across the world and fight against tyranny or do what they could to support the Allies. Those were hard times and it created a mega sheet ton of strong men and certainly some women out of those who might otherwise remain soft.
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So, I get what you are saying, but hard times bring the "put up or shut up" to the weak ones. By contrast, when good times roll around, beginning after Vietnam war ended, we have had over 45 years, 2+ generations, with NO civic reason to become strong, if weak. Feminism seriously stepped up it's game in the early 70's, so that factors in as well.
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@Thagomizer ... Because it is true! Imagine for 1 nano second, if Gen Z were the society, when Pearl Harbor was attacked? Do you think it conceivable that Hitler would have been defeated? I wonder how they all would have responded, when the commander in chief told them, that they must leave their "comfort animals" in the barracks, when about to cross the channel on June, 6th? That there were no "safe spaces" in Europe and that they would be forced to hear "mean words" and not not have their banky?
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That society, was raised during the depression, so they became hard and resourceful. Many had to literally fight to survive and that made them strong. Gen Z today, had the supreme hardship of awaiting for the PS2 update patch and iPhone 11, so they would have a fast enough internet connection to take out the boss.
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For the last 50 years, there has been no draft, no military threat to the US, so we have climate catastrophe activists $100K in debt, demanding the taxpayer pay it off for them, while they scream fascist from the street where they are sitting with their hands glued to the asphalt!
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@smellthensing2221 ... Yes. When entering in to a situation when harm is a VERY real possibility, it is wise to protect one self. Tell me, would you enter a dark alley with a bunch of people destroying things and do so with ZERO means of self defense?
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No, you would be an IDIOT to do such a a thing, yet you condemn Kyle for having protection, yet you DON'T condemn Guage Bye-cep for his carrying of a fire arm 🤔
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There is nothing for you but to say Kyle is bad. You won't acknowledge ANYTHING that created the danger or that 30+ people were murdered by the EXACT same type of "mostly peaceful protesters" Kyle was there to HELP! Remember, he was offering not only a deterrent to damage of a property he said he would try to protect, but help those who may have been injured by the actions happening all around that night.
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You are a lost cause, because your ideology prevents you from seeing any factors beyond Kyle having killed 2 people. Context has no bearing on your decision making, only that you wish JR were still alive and have the ability to seek out more children to violate!
PS> Oh, and you would also be happy, if "Skateboard Man" had connected with Kyle's head, knocked him cold or possibly killed him. I wonder if he, Jump Kick Man and Guage Bye-cep would have left Kyles weapon and just walked away. I wonder ....🤔
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I now understand 100% of all things in the universe..... I AM A GOD!*
Yesterday, I spent about an hour talking to a Jehovah's Witness on the street corner. During the conversation, he asked me a question. "Is the human brain more intelligent today, than 10,000 years ago?" I said no, it just has more knowledge. He liked my answer and listening to Sean here, reminded me of that question. The knowledge of all this stuff is out there, but it takes a particular frame of mind and to take in some of these incredibly complex conditions and come to understand it.
The time it takes to understand it, is what separates the Albert Einsteins, Sean Carroll's and you or me to get our freakin' heads around it.
*....... um, no I'm not :(
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@fuckcanadafuckyoutubefuckc4596 ... Plain and simple... minimum wage jobs are essentially zero skilled that require little more than a commitment to be responsible enough to do the task and adhere to qualifications of behavior... pretty much it.
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A number of people have come into this thread, thinking that sweeping floors, cleaning up tables and taking out garbage, should pay enough to pay rent, car payment, groceries and support a family. They have ABSOLUTELY ZERO CLUE, as to what would happen, to ALL of the prices, of everything in their lives would be immediately driven up in cost. Beyond that, is the number of HS kids who would outright LOSE their job, because automation would increase and employees reduced, because businesses cannot afford to keep them all.
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Just like soo many things in this world, Gen Z has ZERO idea how thing actually work, because they were indoctrinated to be Marxists.
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@hautehussey ... RE: the markets aren't free though Ya, and if every aunt ever born had balls, we would have a twice as many uncles in the world! FFS! Exactly how many towns have a SINGLE person who owns every business in a town? Even if if did happen, the identical scenario as I described above would come into play. If workers are not happy, they will not be inspired to produce your product, so it will SUCK. Those people in town will not purchase products / services that SUCK, so someone will open their OWN coffee shoppe, hardware store (fill in the blank) and drive you out of business.
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Wanna know states where everything is either state own or very closely controlled by the state...? Venezuela, Cuba, to name just a couple and they are thriving metropolis' right there!
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If you have the answers, how about YOU tell us what system is better for elevating standard of living and turning 3rd world nations in to 1st. HINT: Whatever system you say... I will tell you PRECISELY how humans can F up that system. Go ahead, I dare you.... I double-dare you!
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@markzuckergecko621 ... That is good, as I do not have a ton of experience with Destiny. I have found him to be open minded and more than willing to push back hard against the leftist doctrine. I just saw his overwhelming condemnation of Trump's foreign policy and decided to finish this video later. We all know Trumps failings, when it comes to his big mouth and over-active thumbs saying stupid things, but he made some very good moves with multiple Arab nations to agree on some negotiations. He does not demonize even the most horrible of foreign dictators, as that is NOT how one lays the foundation of any negotiations that may go forward. It is fine for Americans to demonize N. Korea govt. , but if POTUS comes out and talks long trash about him or Putin... that is not a good idea.
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It was not Trump who did the treasonous job of Afghanistan withdraw that left allies and American's trapped, citizens climbing onto airplanes, only to fall to their deaths. The billions in military hardware that the Taliban now distributes to terrorists.
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I don't want to play the... "well, ya.. but the other guy is worse" game, but I would bet any amount of money, Trump would not have gotten so deep into bed with Ukraine, but we will never know.
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Sorry about the rant.
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@isotopesreactor3019 ... N. Korea is not going to concede anything of value to any nation in the world, without doing EVERYTHING possible, to humiliate or degrade every nation that would seek concessions from them. Any worthwhile negotiations with N. Korea are gonna take months of meetings and that leader is going to have to appear to Kim Jong-Un, to grovel and humiliate his / her nation into getting concessions from N. Korea. That nation, just like Cuba, has survived just fine without the help of the West, so he is NOT about to give the West ANYTHING without a long fight to prove we have something he wants. Side note, while all of us can agree, living under the rule of N. Korea is not something any of us would wish upon anyone, a nations leader cannot sit at a podium one day, and espouse the evils of a N. Korean dictatorship one day and then seek a sit down meeting with KJU in the following ones. It is easy to point out the horrors committed by him and how he rules N. Korea, so this is why Trump "played the game" and walked across that bridge without escort into N. Korea. KJU respects that kind of thing and it would / will take a HELL of a lot more than that act alone to get anywhere with N. Korea.
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Perhaps you have heard of the Abraham Accords? Ya, I get it... the Arab nations are not going to invite the Jews over for tea, but Trump was able to help make some very serious discussions between Israel and some of these nations and was a great few steps. Now, these would not be like dominoes and see Iran and others suddenly say... "I love you Israel, let's hug". Trump did this while 100% of the Democrats were ACTIVELY undermining his administration at every possible turn. From a general who ACTUALLY contacted China, in order to behind the scenes tell them that Trump was simply making a threat to appease the American people and he is not going to attack. If America does plan a military move, I will let you know. Ya, our own American Chief of staff committed TREASON against his own country, JUST to harm Trump. Go ahead and fight him at every turn. Call him to the mat for every action he wants to take, but FFS, don't LITERALLY sell out your own nation, in order to harm Trump!
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Obama had a drone strike and there were Americans killed there as well. One of those times when it really SUCKS to be a POTUS. In 100% of every circumstance in which military actions are taken, the POTUS is not spending weeks in the War Room planning strategy and accounting for every move that leads up to to a call for an action. No... POTUS has and will ALWAYS rely on the various leaders of the military and intelligence to provide the information necessary to make the call and POTUS must decide. I am not excusing Trump, nor am I calling out Obama (I could go on for multiple paragraphs on what he COULD have done, as the 1st black POTUS, but utterly FAILED). What I am saying is that POTUS is certainly responsible for making that call, but there are an INFINITE number of things that can be misinterpreted, wrong or simply change, between the time an order call that drone strike and the time it ACTUALLY strikes it's target. No excuses for Trump or Obama, but every POTUS ever to occupy the Oval is subject to the information given. Since we have multiple examples of Trumps OWN admin turning on him, in order to punish him, is it really surprising that things he was called to do were not proposed in good faith? Trump must own strike, just like Obama must own his!
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Leaving allies! Just like 100% of every POTUS ever, he relies on aids and can get things wrong, because guess what... we are human. Though we can also add exactly how many wars did Trump start and how many from the previous, say 4 POTUS'? Some of this is simply luck of the times, but it is also garnering respect by foreign leaders and not being a weak one who leaders can walk all over.... in steps Biden. While the evacuation plan to leave Iraq was formed by the Trump admin, the execution of it was ALL on Biden and his admin. No question, America needs to VASTLY reduce its presence in foreign nations, as this is an ever increasing risk / problem on multiple levels. Biden simply put America and it's allies tail between its legs and ran away. We left several billion $$$ worth of military vehicles, weapons and such behind, which the Taliban is now using to supply itself as well as VERY likely Hamas and others to do what they do. Remember the civilians LITERALLY falling from the sky as they were hanging on to a plane that was leaving the airport? That evacuation was literally treason against America and its allies and is absolutely IGNORED by mainstream leftist media. What Biden authorized was the most most poorly executed exit plan ever performed.... and Biden must own that. We needed to get the hell out of there, but a few hundred soldiers in strategic places could have been an IMMENSE help in assuring we got ALL of our allies and equipment out, evacuated the civilians and allies... THEN we have the military personnel taken out. As it stood, we had absolute CHAOS and a terrorist opted to take the opportunity to blow up a bunch of people while crowded at the airport.
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I am not a Trump apologist, but I see things for what they are and I have the EXACT same bias as 100% of everyone who happens to make it to this part of my comment. No doubt, we could all go back and forth about the above and add / take away certain things to improve / worsen those events. My problem with those who I consider having TDS, is the hyperbole. The idea that Trump is simply explained away by accusing him of being the most evil man ever and that he is LITERALLY worse than Hitler, which I have heard once respected people, like Sam Harris, for example, is called hyperbole... and it serves nobody.
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I support Trump today, because the state is so INSANELY corrupt and F'd up to such an extreme... desperate times require desperate action. Trump is light-years from the perfect man and as unconventional a POTUS as has been in my lifetime and maybe ever. He has many faults, but the overwhelming vast majority of them, as claimed by the left leaning of our world are simply false. We can look at "Russia, Russia, Russia" and know that it was Hilary Clinton behind the Steel Dossier with the corrupt as F-BI paying informants to lie, in order to spy on American citizens... THIS IS FACT! and is treasonous. I could name multiple Constitutional violations by Biden, but this is not about him... this is about Trump.
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I am sure I missed some stuff that I will think of 5 seconds after I hit "post", but that is enough for now. As per ALL of my comments, I invite a good faith discussion with any / all who agree or disagree. I am not perfect, though I am a kitten, so I have studied hoomans to the best of my ability, but if wrong about something... I will own it and ask others to do the same
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Now.... you begged and I delivered. I expect a good faith reply, as my PC is now out of ink 😿
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@willdegra317 ... S.... T.... F... U with that complete total utter BS! Your statement is by far, the biggest pile of horse dung I have read in the entirety of my life on the internet!
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Men don't need to "re-learn" a GD'd thing! And, for the record... we are talking about 21st century Western culture here, not the 19th! Men know precisely what they want from women and it is not to be in competition with them! Stop taking cues from the feminist cult of "I don't need no man" and recognize that biology is ACTUALLY a thing!
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Tell me, WG317... exactly what rights do men have that women do NOT have? If you want to talk about the vile, disgusting worthless beta-males invading female spaces / sports, I am 1000% on your side and fight that BS every day. We must accept that the very same feminists who have been poisoning the minds of our young girls and ladies over the last 50 years are the ones pushing the hardest for this.
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The NCAA board is very nearly 40% women and look at our "feminist hero's" today.... Megyn Rapinoe! Had men invaded her sport / spaces when she was still playing soccer, she would have raised all holy hell... and rightfully so.
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We can lay nearly all of what we see today at the feminists EXTREMELY poor decision to tell young girls.."they can have it all" and "just go on the pill and be a slut like the men".
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How is all that working out for the women who bought that load of sheet? There are biological reasons behind a males concern of his mates body count and his #1 need to "provide and protect". His very close #2 biological drive is to "spread the seed". Well, when women decided NOT to demand their mates be honorable, caring and chivalrous, they decided that just getting laid was fun.
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Of course, when the girls who WOULD demand chivalry from their mates, there was slim pickings, because so many other girls decided to bed him down for a few drinks and maybe a dinner.
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If it hurts men, it hurts women. If it hurts women, it hurts men!
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@221Prohunter …. BRILLIANT observation 👍
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Here is a thought experiment for those that are not just arguing for the legal issues, but who my have a moral issue that he was in the wrong for attacking.
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Safe to say, that if he HAD complied and allowed them to steal, it is reasonable they would likely gone for the register. If he is not resisting, safe to say the will get more bold. So, they now steal several hundred from register and a bunch of electronics from behind the counter, because he is not resisting.
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They get away and then what.....? They almost GUARANTEED will steal again, because..."that was easy" right? Next time, they get MORE bold and realize that if they intimidate the clerk, they can get that power rush and limit the likelyhood THEY will fight back... so they steal more this time.
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NOW...what are the odds there will be ZERO victims of these two in the future? I would say a virtual guarantee! This was SO traumatic, they will not be criminals going forward, because they have learned their lessons at young teen years. They will NEVER become professional criminals, because THIS was all they could possibly handle.
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We will never know, but this guy might have saved someone else's life... and could have been one of OUR family members!
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@Schlabbeflicker …. My position has nothing to do with whether or not this mans actions were legally justifiable.
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My contention is that by virtue of both of thes guys having hopped over the counter and literally cornering him with no reasonable way to escape, he at that point, became a “prisoner”.
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Had he made a move either way to escape, it is not reasonable to expect no physical confrontation to occur, therefore it is reasonable, that the other guy would have given assistance to the one being confronted. In such a case, his back would be to this person and be EXCEEDINGLY vulnerable to being hit in the head or otherwise seriously injured as a result.
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Wa can speculate all day long about what “might”have occurred, but the fact remains, there was a threat to his person, by the mere fact these two were committing a crime and he was trapped inbetween.
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We were not there. We do not have HIS frame of mind and the moments he was limited to decide what action to take. We CANNOT say, they were “just going to steal a couple hundred dollars worth of product”. Had this guy complied and just sat there, it is EXCEPTIONALLY likely they would have been emboldened and gone for the register.
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At that point, they would HAVE to deal with him, because he was trapped at the register. There is NO way to reasonably expect that with all the adrenylin (sp) and testosterone flowing in that little area, it is impossible NOT to get into a brawl right there.
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This guy saw that he was trapped and his best chance to avoid serious injury…..? catch one of them by surprise! If he just threw a punch and had not immediately incapacitated him, then he would fight back and within 2 seconds, the SECOND guy would come in from behind and he would be guaranteed to be cracked in the head with whatever he could find behind the counter.
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He may be in serious legal trouble here, but I will ALWAYS support his actions!
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@Goulash45 …. Had ALLelse been the same and there were only a SINGLE guy…. you and I would be in agreement.
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However… there was TWO guys and that changes the equation. Had he stabbed a lone person, I would be in full agreement that it would be WAY over the top. In such a case, it would have been reasonable to punch or tackle the SINGLE guy and a knife would have been 100% unjustified.
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The problem is the second guy. If he just sits there, why not go for the register? Why not just keep getting more bold... what is to stop them, when he is cowering in the corner? These are two guys in ski masks brazenly stealing from this guy and that IS threatening behavior. It is a threat to his pride, it is a threat to his job responsibility and indeed a physical threat when they are on each side of his position committing robbery!
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Tell me, Jon…. what would YOU have done? I already know, you would sitand there like a beta and let the steal from your store. Now…. what if you stood there complying and then they decided to go for the register? Why shouldn ‘t they be expected to do that? You aren’t resisting…. you pose no threat, so they are now emboldened and you are inbetween them and the cash?
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As soon as those two make a move for you, there is very slim chance to avoid serious injury. One from the front and the other coming at you from the back. This was not one on one in an open parking lot, this was TWO on one, with your back GUARANTEED to be toward one of them! You try to jump the counter, they grab your arm or leg and trip you up and fall on your face on the other side. They jump over, while you are trying to get up and kick you in the head! Your moment of shock and awe is long gone and now you are getting your head kicked in by two adrenalin charged robbers!
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What do YOU do, when you waited for them to get bored and leave…. but decide to score some cash?
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@Ranid …. Absolutely. Now that I am aware the second guy was no longer behind the counter, the knife was clearly excessive. By that point, had they weapons, it makes no sense they wouldn’t equip them, so a body slam was the order of the day.
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That guy now on the customer floor had by that time shown he was unwilling to fight, so he made like the Road Runner, at the moment clerk made a move to the other. The guy was just standing ther, seemingly too over his head and no clue what to do.
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I see little doubt, this clerk will be facing charges for excessive force. It was pretty dumb to think such force was necessary at that point, but seems he did not want to take any chances and wanted to take him out. That guy is likely to get a serious payday, even though he is a PoS and deserves little better than he got.
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Had the clerk made that move when the other guy was still behind the counter, he would have a stronger case for acquittal. Still not likely he would get one, based on societies pension for rewarding criminals, but the other guy no longer in a good position to fight the clerk, makes him pretty freaking screwed for using a knife.
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@maddoggibson1 ….. If you have not read my last handful of comments on this thread, I ask that you do, because I had a HUGE part of this story wrong.
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I had initially thought BOTH guys were behind the counter at the same time and therefore saw him as surrounded and was 100% on board with clerks actions. Was only very late in this thread, I realized this was not the case and reversed my take completely.
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With more reflection still, I am at least on the fence. One second the guy on his right leaned over and stole something and was at that point, the OTHER guy jumpred counter. In the fraction of a second, he was being “violated”, as his store was under direct assault, for lack of maybe a better word and on EACH side of his position.
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.it was at that instant, he lunged for the guy and stabbed him. I will not argue that being stabbed was in any way not horrible, but this guy has a lot to think about in a very short period of time and we are sitting back several weeks later saying what WE would have done. We dont have is adrenalyn, his sense of 2 on 1 or feeling that at any second, the other guy may bet ballzy.
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We see all of this from a detached perspective and had he ONLY punched or pushed, maybe the second guy or someone watching door outside gets involved. Had he not incapacitated that guy, could have been 2 on 1 and he is in big trouble..
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Is it fair he used a knife when we know now the robber did not have a weapon…? No. However, it was THEY who chose to violate this guy and his store. The F with playing fair, when they were counting on the 2 on 1 advantage to distract clerk.
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We can see the guy run out of the store the moment clerk goes on attack, but the clerk is NOT processing this at all. He immediately went after the other guy and took him out of the equation. Was it harsh…? Yes, but we are seeing ALL of this from a MASSIVELY different perspective and am about 75% in the clerks corner on this.
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As for crime in general, this is a societal thing. Whether gun or knife, the person who is committing the crime WILL create a reaction by his action and people are not predictable. That guy did not count on nearly dying, just as the clerk did not wake up thinking. “I think I will use a knife and stab a robber in the neck at work today". I just don't think it is "reasonable" for everyone to expect the clerk to be "reasonable" when dealing with unreasonable people who went in to his store with the explicit intent of stealing his property and while being distracted by the two of them.
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These guys instigated this ENTIRE thing and I am not saying YOU say the following, but I am just not willing to completely condemn this clerk, because he had literally 2 seconds to act and when adrenalyn, fear and anger boil over, one is not really in a conscious state of mind any longer, one is reacting to eliminate a threat completely, not make legal or "reasoned" considerations as to what may happen, because he does not have the benefit of what WE know now.
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Had he stood back or just complied, odds are they would have been emboldened and gone for the register. Maybe not, but he could not possibly know the future and I have very little issue with him making sure he did not play beta male and just hope for the best.
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@ryans1623 On part one of your question…. context is everything.
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What if this person is inside your home with your wfe and kids present? In the BLINK of an eye, that person could change up tactics and suddenly has a knife at one of their necks, or one person makes a move that distracts and the other uses that distraction to smash you or one of your family over the head?
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This can ALL go horrendously sideways in that much time, so we cannot simply Monday Morning quarterback this stuff. The INSTANT one guy reaches over to steal something from 3 feet away, the second guy immediatelly hops the counter and is in his private space. One moment they have his full attention, so he grabs a knife, then……. BAM, suddenly they have intentionally or otherwise used a 2 on 1 ploy to take advantage of their physical position AND that his attention is now separated by a 90 degree head swivel to determine their next moves.
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This is UNQUESTIONABLY a threat! We can argue the degree of that threat, but we not only have the 100% safety, calm, cool and collected view from a stationary camera behind all this, but with FULL knowledge of everything that has YET to happen and several weeks later. In the LITERAL span of 1 second, those two dramatically escalated their tactics to manipulate his attention and steal from behind his counter. This is a threat to his person and YES his property. property they were willing to press his ability to address, based on two guys and situated on each side of his position.
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This IS a threat on several levels and the clerk is not prossessing all of these actions in reall time, as he is dealing with adrenalyn, fear and a sudden coordinated “assault” on his personal space and yes…. his property. I make no distinction as to the value of property they are taking, because this is indescriminate stealing on their part and they have every incentive to take as much as they can get away with.
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In that instant, he is not PROCESSING this guy dashing for the door. He “sees” it, but is simultaneous to the second guy jumping the counter, in a clear escallation of their 2 on 1 advantage. While we all like to consider the knife as major over reaction, his eyes are immediatelly on the guy who hopped the counter and we are able to see and process the other making a dash for the door.
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Sure, we can EASILY say he was no longer a threat of any kind, but the clerk cannot see and digest that in the living moment of all this. We can see the guy just standing there, but in that flash, he simply sees a guy who is now on his side of the counter and his fight or flight instinct has instataneously maxed out and he makes his move.
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We will see where the law takes all of this, but there is NOTHING that can go back in time, put ourselves in the clerks head and expect us to act with perfect degree of force or subdue the guy with perfect precision a take down move. We have the benefit of TONS of criteria that was still unfolding at the time, so this could have all gone horribly sideways, from his perspective. We MUST consider his use of force was deemed reasonable, based on what he knew, when he knew it and the nature of 2 on 1 guys in ski masks who have exactly ZERO concern for his right to property OR any fear or distress any of that may cause.
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.They are there to steal and 100% reasonable to think they will continue to escallate their advantage as long as it suits their position.
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@jamessammons1831 …. No, James, that is not why. If the liberals treated conservatives with even the most moddest amount of respect and not simply the least generous interpretation imaginable, conservatives would be happy to go on any show.
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Just a couple weeks ago, The View asked DeSantis to appear, but the garden tools on that show have repeatedly called him “DeathSantis” a white supremacist, racist and every possible slur they can say on broadcast TV.
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I follow approx. 20 conservative / libertarian creators and ALL of them will be more than happy to have a respectable conversation, but the leftist cult will go after ANYONE on the left, who dare appear on a conservatives platform.
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Conservatives are happy to go on just about any platform, but much less willing, with those who call them white supremacists and racists, because they are not interested in conversation, they simply want to bash treat them like crap and then cut up clips that are stripped of context, in order to feed the trolls on Twitter
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Conservatives have learned that lesson and will ONLY do live appearances, when they also have the rights to the stream. At least that way, when the cult cuts up out of context clips, they are FAR less likely to get away with that BS.
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@ekscalybur ... See, that IS changing, though I agree that they do not see it! When criminals exhaust the area in which they live, combined with not being prosecuted effectively, they move INTO those other areas. As you already know, crime WILL spread, when it is not addressed. Those wealthy white women may be safe today, but the crime WILL catch up to them. Seems it is taking long enough for them to continue to vote these PoS into office and again for another term, but we all know that this is coming for them. Sean did a video a few months back, where the once very nice areas of NY, are getting more and more crime, along with homeless sleeping and doing their business on their porches. It is not a big enough problem currently to become big news, but also the mainstream media does not cover it any more than they absolutely HAVE to.
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No doubt the same cycle that NY fell to some 40 years ago... WILL repeat. The city will become as bad as it was in the mid 70's, I think it was, and the citizens will finally be prompted to bring in another Guiliani to clean it all up. That person will be tough as hell on crime, the leftists and Democrats will bitch for a year, but will eventually STFU, when they are once again able to take a walk alone and not fear being assaulted.
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They say, those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it... and boy is that true!
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@MasonRoyce ... Thank you for your reply :) My question to your first statement is... "how does Sam "KNOW" the concerns about 2020 are lies?" So long as a person can decide that someones voice should not be heard, this is a direct path to tyranny by those who think they know better than everyone else. I used to listen to Sam say over and over again "Trump lies". Look, while I a Trump supporter, I am NOT and apologist for him. I don't leap to his defense, but since Sam DESPISES Trump, he would much rather consider when Trump is wrong it is a lie. Being wrong and telling a lie are two different things, but I don't want to get bogged down in minutia of all this.
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We all want truth! We all want to know what is happening, but when Sam's personal feelings allow him to say, and he said this specifically... "it would be irresponsible to listen to Trump on 2020". Who in the FUCK is Sam to say such an evil thing, when there are millions of Americans who have seen evidence, not claiming proof mind you, EVIDENCE that there were issues that should be addressed in open forum.
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At this point, I think I am just ranting... lol :) you get the point!
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@thst_bot5368 .. Not sure I totally follow you, but I think so :) If I understand correctly, ..."so you're saying" (little JBP humor for ya...lol) that We need to have the discussion, BEFORE one decides another does not value reason or logic... am I correct? If so, I agree, but it is my belief that he has so much hatred for Trump, that has made up his mind that there is nothing he can do or say to persuade him that he can be reasonable, or embrace logic.
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The one thing I keep coming away from with ALL the massive, massive, MASSIVE hatred toward Trump.... is why? There are many people who are vilified throughout history and Hitler is the first to come to many peoples minds. However, he was directly responsible for the push to exterminate 6M people off of this earth in an attempt to eradicate them all. BTW, I get there were circumstances that allowed his ideology to flourish, but that said... there are many who think Trump far worse than Hitler and to my knowledge, Trump has killed less people than Alec Baldwin!
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@thst_bot5368 ... I would not say Trump was a "symptom" he was the response! This nation has had very nearly 60 years of Marxist indoctrination, as I just saw a little bit of it, as I am 57. The level of hate is something I have never witnessed, and to finish a thought I did not in my earlier comment, the level of vitriol is way, way. WAY beyond reasonable and was so from the very start. Trump was EVERYTHING the Marxists stands against, as Trump had ZERO designs of authoritarian control, but just take one small OBJECTIVE look at what we have right now... authoritarian control.
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Look at Australia... the truckers in Canada... leftist governors, mayors and city leaders across the Western World imposing lockdowns, vaccine passports and punishing ANYONE who does not comply with the States view of "acceptable information". Trump stood against ALL that we see now and why to this day, the Regressives are STILL trying to punish him in any way they can. They are simply terrified of him, as there can be no other explanation for the hatred to this degree. I could spend about 15 more paragraphs of the double standards between what they thought Trump was and what Biden and Regressives are!
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I am getting well of track here... lol :) My issue with Sam is that he finds and excuse to say that censorship is not only a good thing... but necessary. There is NO necessary censorship, so Sam is supporting an evil philosophy. Whether it be for a single person or a whole group... nobody should be told to..."STFU because I said so" :)
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@MasonRoyce ... I tend to agree :) While I don't know if there is actual proof of issues with 2020, the problem I have is WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EVEN DISCUSS IT!!!!!!!!! For months, the Democrats claimed the voting machines that were to THEN be used in 2016 were fraught with security issues. If you want to see a montage of all the CURRENT Democrats who said this, look up a video on Zeducation from about a year or so, I think it was. Probably 25 video instances of everyone from Obama, Pelosi, Shumer, AOC and all the rest saying that Trump WAS going to cheat, because the machines were security failures. NOW... fast forward to 2020 when those EXACT SAME MACHINES were used and Democrats say ..."Safest most secure election in history". Oh really..? So the machines were horrible security risk in '16 and NONE in '20?
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This all comes down to not having the discussion. If this were allowed to be in open discussion, yes... it would be a PITA. However, I remember the "hanging chads" of Bush / Gore and Florida votes. The media pounded relentless bad faith of Bush and we saw several weeks of people holding up punch cards and close ups on screen of dimples, misaligned holes, and hanging chads. Now... where is the media demanding that Trump get ANY consideration for his claims that something was wrong. Maybe it was on the up and up, but we well NEVER know, because the entire establishment are Democrats and they will not tolerate the discussion of possible fraud. They want it both ways... To say GOP WILL cheat, so if Democrats lose... "See, we told you so". If they win... "See, it was totally fair and secure".
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The Democrats are saying the same thing AGAIN, about the upcoming '22 & '24 elections. They want to have COMPLETE federal control of voting, because they claim that GOP and conservatives will cheat. All elections should be 100% open to scrutiny by anybody that claims it. We should have a hearing, just as they do in legal cases, to determine if there is enough evidence to substantiate further debate and go from there.
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What we get is... "STFU.. because I said so!" and this is NOT what America was founded upon :)
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@thst_bot5368 .. EXCUSE ME....?!?!?!?!?! While America has never been "Free" in the literal sense of the word, it is... or has been a Democratic Republic. The Regressives most certainly want a Direct Democracy, but that is ONLY because they are currently in power. A true democracy, is 2 wolves and 1 sheep discussing what is for lunch! This is an absolute path to authoritarian tyranny and exactly where the Regressives & Biden admin want to take this country. That said... NO, we are most certainly NOT a communist country, but that is not for lack of trying by the current "leaders" in our govt. I am not going to say it is perfect, but the ONLY problems with this nation is the corruptible nature of the human species. It is simply NOT POSSIBLE to have any "ism" and avoid this issue. We can have all the checks and balances in the world, but there are 2 things that cannot be avoided no matter how many checks and balances one might have....
1. human error
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... since these are inherent to the human condition, we could have communism, socialism, capitalism or any other "ism" you can name and there WILL be those who seek power over others and control them. Capitalism is the favorite target of socialists to say how "evil" it is, but they were failed by their education and I could give a 25 paragraph sermon on how socialists want capitalism, but ONLY for themselves as those who would exercise power over others.
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No, THST... America is most certainly NOT a communist country and there is really only two things that not one other country on the planet has... The Constitution and Bill of Rights. These items are ABSOLUTELY 100% in the way of Regressives press for authoritarian power and are the ONLY things stopping a full on push. That hasn't stopped Biden admin, as he has already violated The Constitution at least twice and will full knowledge that he was doing so. This is not to say there have been times with both left and right have seemingly crossed the line or at least blurred it, but when this happened, both Houses got involve and had a debate and worked it out. There were certainly some who were still unhappy, but we had the debate!.
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This is the absolute #1 issue we are having today is that the Biden admin is doing EVERYTHING via Executive Order. This bypasses the Houses and therefore no discussion is available. The Democrats are ABSOLUTELY FINE with what he is doing, because the Regressives are pulling Biden's strings, as he is nothing more than a puppet for the socialist agenda by Regressives who have taken over the Democratic party. Even with all this, the Joseph Goebbels Propaganda Media Machine, big tech and academia K~college are 100% on board with a socialist America, so they ALL do the states bidding. We can see what is happening in Canada right now. Turd-eau has demonized the Truckers as "fringe, racists, sexists and have unacceptable views" on how Canada should be run. He is a fucking asshole in the highest order to call these EXCEEDINGLY peaceful protests by hard working, tax paying Canadian citizens these things. He is on board with the authoritarian leftists and runs away and hides for like 10 days now, because the last thing an authoritarian can do, is openly address grievances by his population. He is a coward, like ALL authoritarians who hide in their ivory tower and command their subjects to the whims of the day.
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Kinda going off here, sowwy :( In conclusion, I would much rather die on my feet than live on my knees. I have worn a mask EXACTLY 3 times in the last 2 years, as I WILL NOT COMPLY! The other thing this nation has, that no other has is 2a and roughly 300M (could be wrong there) guns that are explicitly stated in The Constitution as a last resort to a government that has turned to tyranny. The current govt. is seeking to exercise its power and the tyranny is well on its way... but I will die to stop it!
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Peace, THST :)
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@thst_bot5368 ... Don't fucking patronize me with... "I know it can be unsettling" bullshit. As I mentioned earlier, there is corruption in EVERY system and is due to the human condition. There is a reason why people ride rafts made of tire inner-tubes, branches and shipping crates to face and open ocean risking exposure, sharks and persecution to flea Cuba. Why others from all around the world have been seeking to find a home in America from all over the world and why we very nearly could have had a massive humanitarian crisis on our Texas / Mexico border some months back. What this country has that no other have to this degree, is the opportunity to thrive and live as humans were intended... live free and prosper. Again, there are issues that get in the way for some, but the opportunity is here and those obstacles can be overcome.
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The principles on which this nation was founded are like no other in the world and is precisely why we have, so far, avoided the fate of many Western nations around this globe. Now, Regressives are doing EVERYTHING they possibly can to undermine all that this country was founded upon, but we WILL work it out. There is without a doubt major, if not outright catastrophic damage to our society that we will not know in our lifetimes and will be a DIRECT response to the actions of Marxist Democrats (Regressives). I think that we have had it so good for so long, in terms of generalized peace and prosperity, combined with Marxist indoctrination that the "evil" rich people seek to dominate the underclass. Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates and others could have $1T dollars and has ZERO effect on yours, mine or anyone's ability to do the exact same thing.
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What this does NOT account for, is those two things I mentioned in my earlier comment... error and or malice. These simply cannot be avoided... PERIOD! There are no perfect systems, because 100% of them are created / implemented / run by humans. So you can apply aspects of communism to America in the limited social safety net, but that is the rub, isn't it? Countries that have a full safety net may not have some of the issues we have in America, there is a huge price paid by others who have to support many of those who are just too lazy to do for themselves. This is certainly not ALL of them, but they ALL have or had an opportunity to be that Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates.
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That is NOT something one can achieve in China, Cuba or any communist nation on this earth!
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Peace, THST :)
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@johnulmer6715 ... Unfortunately, those who live within their ideological bubble and continue to vote for these leftist lunatics, drag those who are sane and SEE the issues down with them. I live in Comifornia and can see a mega SHEET TON of issues that are forever made worse by "compassionate" Democrats who think that if we just lazy or evil people resources, they will STOP being those things. Life does not work that way and while I don't want anything to do with such legislation, I am outnumbered and continues to spiral downhill. I could move, but based on multiple factors, that is not practical for me, but MANY are fleeing this place. In the end, the leftist cult WILL spread their disease just about everywhere, because they have convinced themselves they hold the moral high-ground. They destroy the areas they live in and when it gets to bad, they move out of state and then vote for the EXACT SAME policies all over again. I don't know how to stop stupid people from doing stupid things that F us all over!
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@johnulmer6715 ... And what would you have me do? I don't disagree that the cult MUST be stopped, but what needs to be done, will take a MASSIVE uprising of those willing to sacrifice everything.
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Early in 2020, I received a jury duty notification. I contacted the clerk and told her that I was unwilling to wear a Covid mask, may I reschedule. She gave me an extension, which ended up being 6 mo. I reached out to her again, after that time and reiterated my position. She said you will HAVE to wear a mask, because you will not get another extension. I told her in no uncertain terms, that I would NEVER wear a Covid mask and was non-negotiable and a hill I was willing to die on.
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After 5 or 6 emails back and forth of her continuing to apply legal pressure to force compliance with mask mandates, she forwarded all of my communications to a judge. In them, I told her that I would show up at the courthouse for jury duty, should I be required to, but when if those at the door demanded I wear a mask, I would again refuse. In those emails, I said that the cops would have to come to my home, kick down my door and take me by force, for a contempt of court violation, which would be the case, should I NOT appear in the room for jury duty. I said that If I go to jail, I will NOT wear a mask and this remains 100% non-negotiable.
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The judge released me, because he / she was not willing to challenge my position and risk the mess I would absolutely make over the BS mask mandates.
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Before you tell me I am unwilling to do what it takes to fight back, I would ask that you know more about me, prior to doing so.
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Peace, John 🐈
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@johnulmer6715 ... I don't disagree, but I don't see you armed and storming the White House, do I? We also must recognize that The Forefathers WERE and organized group and the entire continent had a total of less than 300K people. There were no states, only colonies and there was no organized military. There were militia that was comprised of other citizens, so need only get their cooperation and it was the "government" who was organizing it all. It is not soo simple as to rise up today, as it takes a MONUMENTAL amount of citizens to rise in unison. I grant to you that far, far, FAR too many are unwilling to do so, but it is not so simple as that.
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We have learned that there is a MASSIVE number of sheep in this America and the Western World. They thought that "2 weeks to flatten the curve" was reasonable, and it actually was. What they did NOT realize, nor did anyone else, that there was a MUCH larger plan at work and took another 6 mo. for that to only BEGIN to become clear. I do think that there is a HUGE number of people who have reached near wits end, but the organization necessary to "reverse" what is happening, to use language that won't trigger my comment to be removed, is infinitely more difficult now than it was when England would have to send SHIPS to sail for America to put down the rebellion. They need only stop them from coming ashore to win that fight.
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It is a very different country today and while I freely admit we do not have the balls to do what must be done, apparently... neither do you 🐱
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@johnulmer6715 .. Why is it you are making an enemy of me? You are exactly ZERO more "revolutionary" than I am at this moment, yet you pass judgement as if I am holding you back. I am not making excuses, I am providing reasons why it is infinitely more difficult today, than when 13 colonies. The rebellion STILL must be done, but we now have 330M+ people, multiple extremely well armed state military and 50 individual states with their OWN forces with which to contend. Yes, this STILL has to happen, but are you out there organizing militia groups in your area? Are there 1K others doing the exact same thing in THEIR area?
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You and I agree, we are not only going to hell, but well past the point when anything short of 1860's action will stop it. This means that the entire country MUST be willing to give up 100% of everything they have ever come to know, love and possess may be lost forever and lose family / friends to boot. This is a tall ask and though it WILL be necessary at some point, we simply do not have the numbers of people willing to make THAT sacrifice.
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The day will come and should that day happen in my lifetime, I am 58, I will HAPPILY stand beside you and do what must be done. You can talk a big game all day if you like, but at the end of it, you are JUST talking about it...just like me 🐱
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@johnulmer6715 .. Peace to you, John. I too will protect me and my own, right here in Comifornia. While, you are less likely to have as many foes in your neck of the states than I, regardless... I will die defending the principles in which this nation was founded [National Anthem begins playing in the background] 🐱
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On the "peaceful divorce" thing. I have had MANY conversations about this and sadly... it is simply not possible. I could give you a long list as to why, but the simple reason is that the leftist cult will NEVER accept you or I to live peacefully. Since resources are scattered across the land, there would HAVE to be a certain amount of negotiation and the leftist will NEVER, EVER, EVER in a million years, negotiate in good faith! They believe themselves to be morally correct, so this is why they have no boundaries to preclude them from any action against us. It does not bother them to loot, steal, kill or cause ANY level of harm to those who are not members of the cult, because you and are are Hitler and "Ultra-Super-MAGA". The cult would demand ALL of the areas with any resources and they would not share them with us, because we are Hitler.
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A peaceful divorce sounds like the only non-fully destructive way to resolve this, but once the cult had its OWN part of the country... they WILL come for ours , because WE occupy it!
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@Ottz ... Dave is, after all, a classic liberal, as he likes to say. Hell, while I am conservative, only moderately so and most of my values are that of liberal, just not as the "Regressives" formulate them. I don't know anything about the specific area Dave and his husband moved into, but he wanted to get the hell out of Comifornia. While he may be in a more liberal area of Florida, I will take your word on that, he is most as assuredly OUT of the hell-hole that is leftist consumed L.A. area.
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After all, it would only further divide us all if we LITERALLY lived in an area of people who feel identical as we do. We don't need any more echo chambers :(
Peace, Ottz :)
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@ottz2506 ... There was probably the consideration of how people will respond to him holding his husbands hand in public, but that is just part and parcel of being gay on this planet. Just because someone takes a long stare or disagrees with the way he lives his life, does NOT mean that he will be treated any less poorly by all. Some will, sure... because we have 330M+ people in this country and not all of them are going to accept a person being anything but straight and go to church every Sunday morning.
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Who knows exactly ALL of the reasons Dave moved to the local he chose. Maybe he just likes the area... maybe it is close to a school he likes, because he has talked of bringing a child into his life at some point. Maybe he has some friends that live in the area and this was the perfect residence to not only live, but build the home studio he really wants to continue his podcasts. Whatever the reason, I am not going to break it all down to find some hidden ulterior motive in which to ascribe some hidden agenda or nefarious intent for him choosing to live in this particular part of Florida or attempt to slide under the radar of those who would not approve of his being gay. Besides, why does this have to be a "deep red" or "deep blue" issue?
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As I have mentioned in another comment just earlier today, may even be in this thread... I don't recall, those seeking to be around ONLY those who feel specifically as they do in all things, leads directly to an echo chamber and any thinking / rational person on this earth, includes you and I, realize that such a decision can only lead to more division amongst us. Comifornia, and particularly where Dave used to live, is EXCEEDINGLY far left and ruled by emperor Gavin Grewsom, as well as his local mayor, and he and his husband wanted to get the hell away from his authoritarian and hypocrisy of "do as I say, not as I do" BS.
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He now lives in FL and under a governor who does not want to control his life, but rather leave it to his own decision. That means, Dave & Dave can continue with a life style they more or less had, prior to the sweep of authoritarian rule not only accepted by far, far, FAR too many people in Comifornia, but actively sought by those who hold the reins of power there.
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After having seen a few videos of Dave from FL, I can see that it agrees with him and am as happy as I can be for his new found joy in living. I will not look upon his move and apply some deceit or attempt to lie to those in his subscriber base, it seems as though YOU do, but rather as what was best for him and his husband :)
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Peace to you, Ottz :)
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@PirateNinjaMegaRobot ... OK, you aren't LISTENING to me here. Let me clarify AGAIN! I am NOT anti-cop NOR am I anti-No Knock warrant. What I am saying is that these type of entries create a very SPECIFIC danger to us all and here is why. The idea of No Knock is to give the police a supreme advantage, as they catch someone by surprise and, hopefully, unable to resist as they otherwise would. While this is FANTASTIC, if this happens to be the murderer, multiple time felon who's home you have entered..
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However, if this is NOT the correct home or happens to be some mistake and this is the home of someone who is NOT a bad guy, but has a weapon, because law abiding 2a and all that. You are asleep or otherwise laxed on the couch...whatever. ALL you hear is a bunch of people yelling what cannot be easily distinguished as "Police.. this is a warrant", because it is a whole bunch of them yelling this. As mentioned my comment above.... line up THIS video at the point when the cops are turning the key. Close your eyes, turn up the sound VERY loud and imagine you are sleeping or chilling in your room. What do you hear..? You hear what could VERY easily be a bunch of gang bangers rushing into your home, because you are taken 100% by surprise. You are not likely going to isolate ONE voice saying "Police... this is a warrant". No, you are going to be disoriented for at LEAST a few seconds, they bust through the bedroom door and you ALREADY have your weapon, because you are fire arm proficient and in your own home.
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All you see is a bunch of guys dressed in black pointing guns at you and, because you already had YOUR gun, but not fully aware of what is happening yet, you have it pointed at the door they are entering. Now, you have done NOTHING wrong, but the cops have to assume you are a bad guy, understandably... and you are dead!
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I think what would be MUCH better, is to designate ONLY a single person to yell "Police... this is a warrant" several times, with a couple seconds between each mention. Since they are announcing at that point anyway, at least those who are NOT criminals, have a moment to comprehend what is happening. I get that the surprise is what gives cops added safety, but it also creates a much higher degree of risk for average Joe who did NOTHING wrong, but is now dead.
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Please tell me if this does not make sense :)
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@PirateNinjaMegaRobot ... No..... you are assuming this person, or ANY person would have a full grasp of what was happening in the midst of a iteral 9 seconds of chaos. If this was a murderer or a multi-felon with a weapon... I have ZERO... let me say that again.... [size 86 font... ZERO] issue with removing him from this earth. Yes, the first guy DID yell solo, but after about 1 second, all you hear is a bunch of guys rushing in and screaming. If you are asleep or completely relaxed and you hear that first "Police... this is a warrant", you are INSTANTLY overwhelmed by a bunch of guys yelling and 98% of all people are going to be so jarred by the suddeness of it all, won't be able to digest that INITIAL "Police... this is a warrant", before you are facing multiple black clad men swarming you from all sides. If you are NOT the bad guy and you have an actual conscious care for your fellow humans, as the thugs and murderers obviously don't... you are going to be dead before you EVER figure out what the hell is going on.
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While the overwhelming is great from the cops perspective and I cannot blame them in the least for wanting such an advantage, when a mistake is made, bad intel or otherwise a person who was NOT the target of the warrant, this is what happens. This guy was legal 2a, and while a bit odd he awakes puling a gun, It is exceedingly unlikely that THIS particur man understood what the hell was happening, before he was shot dead.
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Based on what we understand at this moment, and that may change in time, why would he not just comply with police orders? He was not on the warrant and, since legally possessing a weapon, he had NOTHING to fear... right? If it was soo obvious that these were a bunch of cops, it would be guaranteed suicide to pop out from under the blanket packing a gun.
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This is a GUARANTEED way to be shot, so are you suggesting that he KNEW it was police, but as an upstanding legal gun owner, decided he wanted to have a shoot out in the living room? It is beyond obvious, that he had NO IDEA these were cops, because he was not a criminal and had no reason to resist. No, he was supremely startled and his instincts were to exit the blanket with a fire arm to protect himself.
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Tell me.. why pull a gun, when it was so obviously cops looking for someone else?
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@PirateNinjaMegaRobot ... Some things we know to be true:
1. The man shot, was in possession of a legal fire arm. Ergo he was not a convicted felon and for all we know, he had not committed any crimes
2. He was alone in this apartment and door was locked, so not expecting any visitors
I will do my best to steel man your argument, as I understand it :) The police enter the door quietly with a key, so as to remain stealth. One officer immediately yells "Police... this is a warrant" (may not be verbatim) and within 1 second, multiple other officers yell the same thing. Very clearly, this is intended to startle any occupants and the idea is that they will caught off-guard and be less likely to reach for a gun or mount some kind of resistance. I get this, and I fully understand how this will make it safer for police, as entering a home in this way is about as risky as it gets for police. Now, the ONLY way I can interpret your position at this point, because it appears that you believe that the INITIAL officer announcing "Police.... this is a warrant" is sufficient for anyone within earshot to not only understand exactly what is happening, but NOT reach for a weapon, if you happen to not be a bad guy. Again.... I am NOT trying to straw man you, but this is how I understand you position to be.
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Based on what I have written directly above, and subject to error, this is the only conclusion I can surmise. This guy not only knew it was cops, but understood it was a legal warranted raid upon the apt. he was within, his go-to move was pop out from under the covers, weapon first, and do what....? No reasonable person, particularly one who is 2a and legally carrying, is going to think that police are going to stand down or otherwise NOT react in such a way to protect themselves from being shot, which is the ONLY reasonable consideration the police would have at this point.
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My conclusion, based on the above: This guy was asleep or at least relaxed enough to have no idea, that cops were going to enter into his space and begin yelling. When the first "Police... this is a warrant" is yelled, he is obviously not expecting such an outburst, so it takes the average mind a moment to digest the sound, process it and realize... "Oh, this is police and I have not done anything wrong, so I will just put my hands at "twelve and two", so to speak, and calmly comply with the officers. No, in such a state of sleep or rest, that FIRST "Police... this is a warrant" is yelled and just wakes you up.
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How many times in your life has the dog or cat knocked over something loud in the house and wakes you up in the middle of the night? You are suddenly wide awake, as you heard the crash of broken glass on the kitchen floor. Now, how long does it take you to put the sound together with one of your pets making a mess in the kitchen... lol. It takes you probably 3 maybe 4 seconds, until you yell... "Dammit, Fido... get out out of the garbage can!" (remember... this is REAL time 3 or 4 seconds). Now, fast forward to THIS moment, the initial "Police..." wakes you up, within 1 second, you are awake, but certainly not fully alert yet, you hear multiple others just yelling loudly. I would safely bet that 99% of all humans who are not living with the idea cops are going to enter their home, would be unable to process all this within the following 3 more seconds! It would be VERY reasonable to assume you were having your home invaded and you are likely to be in extreme danger immediately. You were JUST sound asleep and within 3 seconds, you think you may die!
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If this guy was able to understand ALL of this, in the time allotted, why emerge with a gun when he KNEW there were multiple officers pointing guns directly at him?
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I am doing my best to steel-man, so keep this in mind :)
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@josephgutschmidt4718 .... Good point! What I failed to recognize, only after I had posted this comment, is to consider those in the political center or not on social media and not aware of how bad this has gotten.
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I think that Matt could have been just as stern, just as direct, yet used language that would not be so off putting to those in mentioned above. Those people are not nearly as familiar with the trans activist cult and their INCREDIBLY vile and disgusting charge to provide as many people with hormones and recommendations for transition as possbile. Those people WILL be turned off by some of what Matt said, because they might think Dylan is just confused or maybe cross-dressing and grow out of this, because they have not followed his story for the last year.
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Matt will NEVER convince the trans activist cult of the INSANE disrespect Dylan is portraying girls / ladies / women, so they will be pissed regardless. Matt will not lose those who have watched the evils of the Tik Tok teachers and cult activists who prey upon our youth to increase the number of players on "Team Trans". However, Matt can win over those in the middle who are ignorant of all this, and that is a MASSIVE amount of people, by choosing language that will not be taken a s just mean. Those people that don't follow any of this, like my mother, would ONLY see Matt as being mean and discount what he is saying as just being a bully.
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I get why Matt used that language, but he will not win any hearts and minds with it.
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While I don't have the education of Jordan, I do have more then adequate intelligence to discern most of what he says. While I do not have his command of the English language, my own education allows me to understand most of his topics. Beyond this, there is no way for you to determine whether I do or do not have the ability to discern the validity of what he says :)
For example, I have no issues at all understanding his position on why he opposes C-16 or what he discussed with Cathy Newman, as a good example of why I appreciate his point of view. Do I worship the ground he walks on...? no. If my initial comments gave you that impression, you read something into them that I did not say. I will admit, that when he gets deep in discussion with Sam or Matt Dillihunty about God, some of the words and / or concepts can escape me, but I get the gist of what he is saying.
Why would you say "much of what he says must be a lie"? I have heard enough conversations he has had with many different people and have not heard anybody call him out as you have. Some disagree, but those I've seen deny science and get cornered by their ideology and end up with "so you're saying" type of response.
I would ask that if you feel he is a fraud or delusional, contact him for a Skype debate.
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As mentioned above, I have seen propably 100+ hours of his lectures, speeches, debates and discussions. I cannot speak to the 4 you have seen, but you would need to give me an example of inconsistency, as I have not seen it. I am not saying he is incapable of making a mistake, but never seen him talking out of both sides of his mouth.
Jordan is an extremely deliberate speaker and have heard him say he will re-think a position if he gets a good rebuttal. Have also watched him say directly that he will not answer a question, as he has not given the topic enough consideration to hold a debatable position. I have never seen him take any position that he does not feel is correct and he says continually that one should never tell a lie or say something that one knows to be untrue.
With the thousands of hours on line and the EXTREME scrutiny he has received by the SJW crowd, if there were even one instance found of hypocrisy or lies recorded, it would be used by the founder to take him down. If there is such a recording, I would honestly like to know.
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I just realized, I missed one or two of your comments above, so will get back to them. The following, is in regards to my being in the "cult" of Jordan. Honestly, I find that analogy to be very rude.
Please explain to me where I said that I ingest everything that Jordan says as beyond question. I am not religious and have only watched 3 or 4 videos of him regarding God and the origin of truth. The existence of God cannot be proven to exist or be false and the topic is essentially kryptonite to Jordan. Try as he may, he cannot articulate some things, as they are just beyond his words. Does that make him a liar or deceitful? Apparently, you seem to think so. I am not religious and just don't find those particular discussions to make any headway. Neither Matt or Sam are going to change their position and seems to me that anyone attempting to "prove" the existence of God, particularly to an athiest, is just doomed to failure.
As for C-16, I am not going to debate the specifics of what is or is not in the bill. Jordan has shown several pages in these videos and see why he has an issue with it. Just as Jordan, I feel that free speech is probably the single most important amendment, as nothing can be resolved without speaking ones mind.
Saying someone is a liar is much different than saying someone is wrong about something. One is intentional misrepresentation of the truth, while the other is an error. I am not going to argue for or against either one, with the information I currently have. I certainly cannot vouch for everything he says on C-16, nor would I have any reason to do so, I understand his point of compelled speech and in his corner on that.
You have obviously found some issues with him and decided to discredit him completely, that is your right.
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@CatouMilou ... I would like to say I'm surprised, but he has only confirmed not only the coward that he is, but exactly how committed he is to authoritarian rule! There is NO WAY he could possibly face these beautiful citizens, without being forced to concede to their demands. He sits in his ivory tower saying that "mandates are the only way to avoid future restrictions"... WTF is that?!?!?!?!?
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He may have well just said..."By continuing to violate your rights as citizens of Canada, we can avoid violating your rights later". He is waiting, hoping, praying and VERY likely scheming for tensions to get high enough and the protesters get frustrated enough and some violence will break out. I have already seen some small semi-raised voice arguments and they will ONLY get worse. No mater how disciplined they are, and they are WAY, WAY, WAY beyond anything I would have ever imagined, eventually a leftist infiltrator will be successful, by damaging a truck or starting a fire or something.
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My hearth, hopes and prayers go out to ALL who are sticking it out and we now had Biden admin offering "help". Not to aid in negotiations or anything, but to help strong arm peaceful protesters find an excuse to give up. There is NO DOUBT in my mind that this is taking its toll on many and is all the proof anyone needs to see how much these leftists CRAVE POWER over all else. If Turd-eau cared 1 iota for Canada, he would admit defeat and show his citizens respect, by meeting with them.
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I am now just repeating myself, but I fear the leftists may get another win, because NO political leaders across the globe are calling on Turd-eau to deal with this and so he won't. He hides in his ivory tower and rather than the entire country demand he talk with them, they will eventually turn against the protesters :(
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@frankvonfrauner ... The ideology will never die, this is true... but the number of people who live by it will. This ideology cannot be sustained, because it pits people against each other into tribes and tribes "remove" those who oppose them. Eventually, and I make no claim this to be a short period of time, there will come a point when either people give up on it OR.... society gets tired of endless tribal warfare and are replaced with values that enable peace.
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I have for years thought that a truly CATASTROPHIC event, another 9/11 for example, just "might" shake us from the cult, but I honestly do not think so any longer. The Marxist cult, though relatively VERY few in actual population numbers, are so INSANELY devoted and incapable of critical thinking and self-reflection, they cannot "fall back" to a pre-brainwashed state, as their isn't one. They were indoctrinated the way they are and some of them absolutely cannot possibly be saved from themselves.
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@manaloola2018 ... Hello, Ms. She who has a really cool view from her window 😸I hear you, but that is a double-edged sword. The bigger issue, is not that the guests name is controversial, but that ANY name associated with anything OTHER than the prescribed doctrine of the leftists... is, as you are saying... dismissed out of hand. So long as this is the case, a person may click the video, but he moment he / she sees it is such a person as described, they will leave the video, having made for themselves the conclusion of its content. This is a failure of society and a name change is just not going to do that.
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I recognize your point, but you and I are not dictated by that doctrine, so even if a video had an interesting or intellectually enticing title, but was someone with whom we may not agree or even like, you or I might still be intrigued enough to follow through watching, due solely because of that "intellectually stimulating" title. In the end, due to the doctrine that prescribes PragerU as right-wing extremists who are anti-black, "transphobic" and push white supremacy, such a person does not even have to read the title, in order to instantly dismiss as "right-wing MAGA propaganda".
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A couple years ago, Amala was on a college campus and going to do a talk with Q&A afterword. Well, she went outside to talk to the hundred or so protesters (let's not even talk about the INSANE fragility of college students who are literally incapable of listening to an opinion they have decided well in advance is absolutely racist, but told by a black woman!)... anyway, she went out to talk with them to see what it was they took issue. Invariably over the course of say 6 or 7 minutes, Amala spoke or tried to speak with 20+ protesters. She was calm, polite, respectful and simply asked, why do you protest? She offered to hear them out and allow them to speak their mind and express the issue. Well, those who would even respond, just make blanket statements of "PragerU is racist, sexist, ablist... " the list goes on. She was saying ..."look, I am a black woman. Why would I work for a company that is overtly racist?". Well, as you and I are both VERY well aware.... logic, facts and reason have no bearing whatever to the indoctrinated. They have decided that PragerU is all of those "ists" and, due 100% because of someone who TOLD them this was the case and that person was told by someone else who ALSO had no good faith experience with PragerU.
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In the end, the overwhelming vast majority of the indoctrinated cannot be helped. This is because they were not "brainwashed", as we would call it... they NEVER had proper understanding of nearly everything they were taught, because the absolute PURE EVIL of the "educational system" they were exposed all their life, did not seek to educate them. They simply wanted soldiers for the cause. To expect those college students to listen to Amala, as to see machines in the old science fiction movies, where the robot has a melt down, because it could not process the information it was provided. Smoke comes out of its ears and it mutters .."what are you doing, Dave?" over and over until it dies. These college students have no "brainwashing" that can be undone, because their ENTIRE world view is built upon a lie. To undo that lie is simply not possible, lest we see that robot melt down. The moment one of them starts to see THAT melt down approaching... they shut off communication, say something vile to Amala... or just walk away.
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@theophrastus3.056 ...His safety absolutely! However, while I would not wish upon my worst enemy to go through what he and his family have had to enure, he was funded over $3M, by those who recognized the injustice. It is my hope, that he is able to retain funds that remain and at least be financially secure. Not sure how much would be left after Biden's additional, what... 350? IRS agents are done punishing him further for being acquitted ⚪♂, but I hope he at least has that.
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Of course, he WILL be sued by the 💩"dad", whom had done nothing substantial to help him for the last decade, show up to call him a "good boy" and demand who knows how much $$$ in P&S for the loss of that son, that he did little to nothing to prevent..
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@InvincibleSol .. Thanks and backatcha 🐱. As I said, it is not illegal for them to censor, but is is antithetical to the values upon how the West, but specifically America in this case, was built. In the end, this comes down the foundational values upon how this country was prescribed to deal with political disagreement. The idea put forth by the Founding Fathers, was to discuss and debate ideas, so that we don't have the tyranny of a King that was ruling England, at the time. In order for a society to have peaceful governing, we were set up to debate and address all of the issues at hand.
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Now, as we both understand, private business has no such obligation, but what we see happening ls LITERALLY tearing our society apart. These social media platforms, Google (YouTube), FB and many others manipulate algorithms, search results, shadowban, censor, remove and delete peoples social media presence. This not only causes direct harm to those of whom much of this happens daily, but it has a overall chilling effect on those who fear removal of content or accounts and self-censor.
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Hell, we know for a FACT that our US tax dollars were used by the FBI to work directly with Twitter, as well as contact FB and I am sure some other private businesses to meet with them on stopping "misinformation". To just contact them, is to instill a fear of possible federal legislation or other un-named threat to a private business. No threat has to be given, for one to have been made. THIS is a a direct assault on 1a and is a Constitutional violation of American citizens rights. It is committing treason upon America citizens and is what fascism looks like. Since Biden admin was 100% committed to the CDC for any and all concerns about Covid and nearly all of social media platforms are in ideological lockstep with them, they, along with Joseph Goebbels Propaganda Media, ALL provided the SAME information and controlled what we could see and hear.
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Remember when Joe Rogan was prescribed the "I" word when he got sick with Covid? Well, that word was all but banned on nearly all of social media, so doctors were silenced, content removed, accounts locked and eliminated, so a MASSIVE amount of people were in the dark about the actual dangers of this illness and which ages, conditions make it more of a threat. The overwhelming message from all of them, was essentially Covid = death. The fact that average children up to the age of 20 yo (not obese or having multiple co -morbidities), are WELL under .01% chance of death. That did not stop ALL of them from omitting facts and removing those who were trying to get the word out.
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CNN repeatedly said that Joe Rogan was taking horse dewormer and scared the HELL out of the public who were stuck at home with little but social media and legacy news to "inform" them of what was happening in the world. Again... Social media has ZERO legal obligation (TV and print are not so free legally) to make sure we get all of the available information. However, when they ACTIVELY engage in censorship to remove information that aids ALL of society to be better decisions, they have engaged in an evil upon the moral obligations of that society.
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Many would not like my using "evil" here, but there is no other way to spin it, when we see fear porn they drive and carry ALL of the Biden's water.
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I get that I have gone well off topic of Sec 230, but when those who bring us news are as GD'd malicious as these private companies are, they need to be held account. Sec. 230 was NEVER intended to insulate such manipulation of the flow of information, because when it was written, there was no concept of the internet and how it would absolutely DOMINATE the means in which the entire world gets its news. As I said, I am very much a libertarian, but if private company that has absolutely IMMENSE reach and influence does what Google, FB and others are doing, debate must be had and discussion must take place, in order to address the monopoly they have on flow of information.
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If the mainstream media were to "hold truth to power", as they are ethically obligated to do, social media would NEVER get away with what it is doing.
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... Sadly, I have found that the vast majority of those who would also detest this WOKE as much as you and I, are just not paying attention. They have fallen for the word-game that the progressives use to disguise what is really happening to our society. I have got to say, that the leftist plan to destroy not only this nation, but the entire western world could not POSSIBLY have been orchestrated better! Now, it will one day collapse, for about 25 reasons I can come up with off the top of my head, but ultimately because its idiotology is riddled with contractions.
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My own mother insists that she is of a conservative nature, if not politically, but has 100% fallen for the leftist narrative and will literally get up and pace around the room shaking saying... "I don't like that man" (when I say "literally" I mean exactly that!). We are talking like the mother of a 3 yo child in the emergency room being operated on for 12 hours with the chances of survival @ 3% shaking! Weird as this may sound, it is my hope that she does not live long enough to see this Progressive house of cards come tumbling down. The shock of learning she was 100% blindsided by what had happened to our culture to bring about this administration, would make her see Trump in a whole new light and I honestly think it would give her a stroke!
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@Nathan Miller ... We can look back to the 1950's, when a Joseph McCarthy spoke of the dangers of those who would support social / communism. While his methods were 100% as bad as the leftist cult we see today, he was SPOT ON with his analysis of the danger. I was born in '64, so was slightly ahead of the Marxist takeover in the public school system. However, I distinctly recall being taught that by the year 2K, the world would "run out of oxygen", due to the rate at which the Amazon Rain Forest was being cut down by capitalist pigs. Well, here we are in 2022 and not 2 years ago, we had AOC telling us that we all have 12 years, before the oceans begin to rise and will be too late to address the "climate crisis". I don't think there is anyone, who would like to see less crap put into the air, but unless the ENTIRE globe is on board, industry just moves to China, Mexico or India.
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Kinda took us off the rails there, but shows how the Marxist is all about fear mongering and seeking opportunity to seize power!
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For a person of such obvious intelligence, she betrays it continuously. She repeatedly argues a preconceived understanding of his position that he has already corrected earlier in the discussion. It is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for anyone following the conversation, to realize she is not.
EDIT: Having watched a little farther into the segment, I am seeing more smiles from her. No doubt she disagrees with much of what he says, but clearly she is digging at him to spice things up. In the long run, this supports her job and gets to the bottom of what he is saying, but is at the expense of her own argument. Through this conversation, one can see how a clinical psychologist addresses the topics and how very complex most of them are. She continues to break down all of these very complex issues into soundbites. These "soundbites" are then spoon fed to the feminist agenda via "so your saying" and "what you mean is" slogans. I find the whole thing sad. Women do have issues with which to contend, but just simply making men the villain in their story, while addressing no other factors, is absolutely causing great harm to your own cause.
All this leads to a huge disservice for men and women, as it embitters both and partnerships more strained
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@frtard ... You are correct. What I was thinking about, was more of what CNN, MSNBC, NYT's, LA Times... etc, use to go out of their way to avoid saying the race of a suspect. That is to say, when a crime has been committed and was a pale skin (white person or distinguishing enough to use in verbal description), so as to "be on the lookout for" alert is used.
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However, when the suspect is described as black or very dark skinned, this descriptor is left OUT of the reporting by nearly all of them. In an effort to protect, they go out of their way to avoid when suspect is black. This is just as we have seen them protect when one is "trans", by simply not talking about a detail that is often VERY clearly known, but does not fit the narrative the media wants to support.
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As it turns out in this case, this was likely more for the reason you describe or if that person is a minor. In my haste, I allowed my bias to come through. I try not to do this, but alas... as often as I am critical of others for it, I sometimes do so myself.
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@UtubeH8tr .... See, that is the thing. Among the MANY evils of the WOKE and trans activist cults, there is no redemption. While there are indeed times when a person has perpetuated such evil, that redemption is simply not possible, IMO. These are serial murderers, John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy and the like.
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When it comes to propagandists and just people on the interwebz hosting podcasts, there should nearly always be a path back, or we are no better than the enemy we fight.
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I would not call Ethan evil, though he has been quite malicious, from what I have seen (JBP is the example that comes off top of head), but we, the sane, should welcome those who have seen the darkness they partook and denounce it.
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I not only dig Jordan Peterson, but appreciate his passion for communication of ideas.
Unfortunately, I think that passion can get mislabeled as anger or aggression and the short-sided view of some listeners discount the message. Those very listeners are the ones that most need exposure to his way of thinking about ideas. The world could, and is indeed, learning a lot from this man and is becoming a better place as a result. I have watched / heard many, many, MANY hours of his speaking, so have heard many of his ideas expressed many times. The thing is, and has mentioned this several times, he doesn't so much lecture, as just have a conversation.
As a result, those ideas get expressed with different examples and in a completely different way, as he actually selects individual members of an audience with whom he is speaking. Those people know this, as he looks directly at them to make sure he is engaging in meaningful conversation. If he is not, he changes or steps up his game, just as anyone would in a one on one conversation with their best friend, wife, husband, son or daughter.
He is always "working it out" during his talks, so the idea is continually fresh...... great stuff Jordan :)
EDIT: @34:40 is a perfect example of how Jordan "thinks" aboot what he's saying (not a type-o, silly). During the question posed, he pauses for over 10 seconds and decides not to speculate. He does not venture out into uncharted expression without at least a good road map of where he wants to go. If he hasn't spent serious consideration to a specific idea, he will not try to express it and then just hope for the best. I personally think, he likes to examine up to about 90% of an idea and then "work it out" in conversation. He knows the beginning and the end, but prefers the real-time experience to do the math.
This world would have far fewer instances of hostility and violence, if we ALL thought before we spoke.
NOTE: Jordan is constantly pulling his wedding ring up and down his finger. I have seen this in all of his videos, but not yet figured out if it is a "sign" as to his mood or if he is pushing his limits of knowledge or whatever.... curious.
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@TheJustice35 ... RE: You're fundamentally flawed.... : I too appreciate your good faith as well :)
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No, my argument is not that you MUST abide by my principles, it is that we need to not be forced to live by EITHER yours or mine. This is why a federally enforced legalization of what many believe to be murder or homicide, is so divisive. By shifting the burden to the states, it allows the best compromise possible, because there is literally ZERO hope of consensus on this issue.
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As it stands currently, the feds are forcing those that see conception as the beginning of human life, and I fall into this camp, to allow only ONE of the two people involved in creation of that life, to have SOLE discretion on how to handle it. The idea that the female is IMMENSELY more impacted than the male, is not lost on me, but it took two to tango, and currently he has ZERO to say about this.
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To bring this full circle, and I am still awaiting an answer from another on THESE specific questions, but I will throw them to you:
SCENARIO 1: Woman gets pregnant and decides to carry to term. Does the father have a LEGAL obligation to support that child... YES, he absolutely does.. PERIOD!
SCENARIO 2: Same circumstances, but she wants to abort. He offers to cover 100% of ALL financial expenses and she is allowed to sign a release of any / all obligations for the end of time, as he will care for the child forever. She was a willing participant and KNEW the risks and became pregnant. The law as currently written still gives her 100% control over a mutually agreed upon risk, if you want to call it that. She could NOT have become pregnant, were it not for the voluntary act of her being with him, yet, she is the sole decision maker to the fate of that being they created.
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Again... I am NOT dismissing the role she needs to play, but what of being responsible for actions? He must support if she keeps by her decision and he must stand by if she opts to flush it. There are many ways to greatly reduce the chance of pregnancy, but short of surgical intervention... NONE are guaranteed.
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By kicking this back to the states, we don't by federal point of a gun FORCE one way or the other. In THIS respect... I am pro-choice :)
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@cyclonebuzz8172 ... No, I appreciate it 🐱I have seen the battle flag a million times and you are the first person to correct the error I have heard 100% of the time... lol. Not only is this not the Rebel flag, that flag has wrongly become the symbol of racism for well over a century. Just shows how powerful the wrong ideas can become when the conversation to correct them is verboten. One cannot stand in a room of mixed company and hash out the ideas of where the Confederates were standing up for certain principles, because most will think the ONLY issue at hand was the desire to have slaves. Obviously, this was a huge component, but they were ultimately concerned with states rights. They were not wanting the abolition of slavery, so ultimately they Confederates fate was sealed.
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I remember the Dukes of Hazard as a fun show and most tuned in to see Daisy's "Duke" shorts. Cannot mention the show today without someone spouting that it is a racist show, with racist cast, crew, producers and the tapes should be destroyed. We are losing our 1a and without it... we are doomed!
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Peace, CB 🐈⬛
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@susansmith493 ... what in the hell are you talking about? For these girls and women, this has NOTHING to do with politics, except those that support trans in female sports are politically motivated. The girls and women being screwed over are not politically motivated, they are simply trying to live their lives, play in their respective sports and not see male genitalia when in the ladies locker room. They have any number of political affiliations, but regardless of which box they check on the ballot, their spaces are being invaded by males.
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If you don't want to get into this fight... fine, that is your choice. However, just realize that one way or another at some time in the future, repercussions of this WILL come to bare on your life. If you believe that those who are driven by this cult of ideology will just pass you by and not bother you, then you are sadly mistaken! They WILL come for you one day regardless, because they don't care about the politics you do or don't care about... they will FORCE theirs on you!
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@rollotomasislawyer3405 ... Yes. I failed to mention Philadelphia 😿What will happen is that these cities, include Portland, Seattle and ALL over the country in deep blue cities / states, the feds will eventually be forced to send in the National Guard. They will impose Marshal Law, set a hard curfew of like 8:00 at night, erect a TON of buildings to house those convicted of crimes and corall the homeless, drug addicts and thugs. This will be probably a full year, for most of them, some will take longer, but people will ACTUALLY begin to thrive again.
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I give it less than 3 years, before it begins to fall sharply back into its old ways, because the same moroons will vote deep blue ALL OVER AGAIN. The only way they can be saved, is in that future generations will remold society, but that will take at least a couple to begin to turn it around.
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If the issues with society are not corrected, it will just be yet ANOTHER failure of the sad state of human affairs.
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@alleosussquirt8041 ... Take a look at what the MarxistCrats have done with the alphabet agencies! You have seen what they have done over Jan. 6th, yet was far LESS violent than Jan. 20th, 2017. You have seen what happened to Trump when he may or may not have had unclassified documents and what happened to Biden who did and was VP at the time. How about Hillary who destroyed federal (taxpayer) property DURING an investigation of classified info she was NEVER authorized to have....? NOTHING! We saw Biden violate The Constitution 2x's over eviction moratoriums, openly disrespect SCOTUS rulings, allow protesters to intimidate those judges in front of their homes!
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The rules don't mean a GD'd thing to the cult! Pensions are already a MASSIVE financial issue to states and somewhere buried in the ToS for police pensions, is some random sentence that can be twisted into a knot and brought before a MarxistCult judge and revoke that guys pension. Even if it were ultimately found to be BS by SCOTUS, and this is no guarantee, this guy would be screwed for many years, $100K in legal fees and harassment from all sides, at the drop of a hat, from the WOKE cult.
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Now tell me, do you really think they wont find a way to F with this guy?
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@rosenthaldiscount ... Do you remember how INSANELY opposed the Regressives were about a vaccine during Trump's admin in early months of 2020? I remember vividly how every one of them was saying how they could NEVER possibly trust anything that Trump would authorize, as if he was planning to sneak into the lab and injecting Clorox into the finished samples set for human testing. They spoke, quite literally, as if Trump was not only just fine with people dying of a poisonous vaccine, but that he actually WANTED people to die, because he was a Nazi, white supremacist, homophobic, transphobic, racist, authoritarian tyrant hell bent on wiping out the human race!
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Zeducation did a video a while back with excerpts of video of everyone from Pelosi, to Gov. Cuomo, AOC to Shumer and the whole lot of them saying they would NEVER take a vaccine created under the Trump admin. Of course, it is that EXACT SAME VACCINE that has 100% of the Regressives doing everything in their power to convince the world that death is a 100% certainty if the are not jabbed with that very vaccine.
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As for your words on mandates... I am 100,000,000,000,000% with you and Biden will trample all over The Constitution, Bill of Rights and States rights in order to shove the leftist agenda down our throats. The GOP has NO ballz and have failed to give a collective FU to his authoritarian mandates, so "We The People" are going to have to push back ourselves. Sooner or later, the leftists will go on micro-aggression too far and the sheet is going to hit the fan and HARD!
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@robertmcdougall1144 …. No, I disagree.
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There is certainly is a lack of understanding of historical events, but it is not with the vast majority of Americans. Clearly, in the years Gen Z was in public school, the only thing in which they were indoctrinated, was the evils and sins of the Western World.
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They know Hitler was an evil fascist, but have absolutely no understanding of how or why he came to be that way or why so many people were willing to follow his plans for conquest.
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They were only taught that slavery was was not made a violation of Constitutional rights and never the reasons why.
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In the end, Gen Z and beginning sometime earlier, the ability to critically think and apply nuance to an argument was never realized, because the Marxists want soldiers (activists) to do their bidding. They have stepped up their game, so as to go directly at separation of child from parent to child of the community.
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What better way to destroy the nuclear family and to teach children that there are no fundamental differences between males and females? This whole trans thing, is nothing more than a tool to capture the minds of youth 🙁
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For all intents and purposes, we are dealing with at least a full generation who's minds never matured past that of an average 4 yo, in there ability to separate emotional response and apply logic was just never part of the Marxist plan.
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@joriankell1983 ... It ultimately comes down to environment. Those that do such things as this, "know" better... but simply don't care. I am not a religious person, in even the slightest way, but when a society is raised upon the belief that there is NO "higher power" or over-arching moral code in which to live one's life... that person is left to his / her own conscious. When that conscious does not see inherent value in others or their property, this is the result. Sean had a video earlier today, in which the 3 armed guards were at the gas station and these kids not only stole items, but just needlessly destroyed property. They went out of their way to slash tires, break windows and tear down displays. They have NO moral code that is recognized by general society, so they have no internalized "red flag" that stops them from acting on such impulse.
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Of course, this is compounded by Democrat policies that are ever making excuses for those that commit such crimes, because they apply a "victim's hierarchy". Should this person fall under the umbrella of a "victim", the leftist response is ...."oh, that Jimmy is only lashing out, because of systemic racism. If we punish him, it will only make the systemic trauma worse". Here we are.... watching BLM and Antifa terrorists rampage across the country killing, destroying and violating everything in sight and when they attack someone who defends himself, Kyle Rittenhouse is prime example, but there are MANY others.... they get exactly what they deserve. However, the leftist must now turn ALL of the consideration of accountability and especially punishment, to any and all who do not fall under that victims hierarchy.
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What makes this even crazier, is that if the gas station owner, DOES fall under that victims hierarchy, but does have a code recognized by society, but since he is holding little Jimmy accountable.... HE is now the one who should be punished. I am 58 and never in all of my days have I seen ANYTHING like we are seeing, in terms of excuses for not only bad, but ABHORRENT behavior. Those who do what we see here, need to learn a VERY, VERY harsh lesson in life, but society has apparently not suffered sufficiently enough to make that happen.
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I highly doubt we will make it out of this decade without complete collapse and total breakdown of society that requires a brand new start. That is PRECISELY what the WEF wants to see!
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@ghost_to_a_ghost ... He could be. Seeing that video of last couple days, he was very unhappy that his concert tickets had gone way up in p;rice. I have no doubt that his guaranteed money for an appearance has gone up significantly as well, because he can now fill a much larger venue. Well, that guaranteed money comes with a price and that is a larger, nicer venue, so a larger price to those who want to see it.
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One more thought, here....
The words being spoken by Mr. Hughes cannot be said by a white person. I agree with him completely, but there is no way in hell, I could say the same thing in the same way and not be called a racist. The obvious argument, would be that, since I am a white guy, I could not possibly understand what it is like to live as a black guy..... true. The crazy thing is, that what Mr. Hughes is saying is not racist, but rather racial. There is no way a white guy could articulate such a distinction, as a riot would break out as soon as the host announced the topic of discussion. So, it would be impossible to sustain such a conversation at all in any public forum, as I would get shouted down with RACIST!
However, when a black man says these things in this way..... he is called a RACIST!
So, the only way to have this conversation, is an independent online debate for a YouTube / podcast audience. Since this conversation would never make it past the producers of a mainstream tv broadcast, it won't be heard there. Unfortunately, it won't
be heard by nearly as many people as it should, because the far left will do everything in its power to block its being heard. This is because, THEY want to be the ones to say they are against racism, but are a main contributor to its continued existence.
Pretty fucking sad, dontcha think?
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@peteroz7332 .. I hear you! This is the predicament an absolutely MASSIVE number of people were faced with, but was not NEARLY enough that said... "F off.. arrest me".
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EXAMPLE: I was called for jury duty in mid-2020, so masks were required to enter the court building. When I got my summons, I contacted the clerk (probably 2 months prior to my appear date) and told her that I am find with jury duty, and I am... however, I will not wear a mask. Furthermore, while I was courteous about it, I asked for a future date and hopefully, the mandates would be lifted (remember, this was July of '20 and had ZERO idea, it would drag on for over 2 more years!). She released me, but was 3 mo. until I another summons. Masks still required, so I re-iterated my stance to the same lady and she said.. tough.
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I then told her that this IS a hill I am willing to die upon, so I will show up on the date and when the guards do not let me enter the building, I will have no choice but to leave. When the police come to my door for contempt of court, they will have to kick in my door and drag me away. When I go where ever it is they take me, I will STILL refuse to wear a mask. If they send me before a judge... I will refuse. When they send me to jail... I will refuse a mask.
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We ended up communicating most of this over emails, so she forwarded them onto a judge to make a ruling. He / she did not reach out to me, despite my multiple inquiries as the summons date was approaching. Upon making my "after 5:00 PM confirmation" call, I was told that I did not have to appear.
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I was and still am, 100% willing to go to jail for my stance against mandates and have been since day one. To this day, I wore a mask exactly three times. Once to vote Trump in 2020, once to vote Larry Elder in the failed Gavin Grewsom recall and the 3rd when I had to deal with my cat that had passed at the emergency vet. I was retired, so it created no financial burdens for me, but I am 100% certain that I would have made the same sacrifice, had I mortgage.
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I will not say it would have been easy, but I have NOTHING, if I don't have principles. To this day, I have never been tested... never been jabbed.
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@donnar9864 😢 I have NO idea what will happen to all of them when this all comes crashing down. Whether there is anything left to save or not, there will be MANY who will simply not be able to adjust. This is why indoctrination is so incredibly damaging. I one was brainwashed, let's say... he / she STILL has the right thinking within the mind, but just can't access it. Those who are in a cult, from day one, do not have that correct information, so their entire world view (literally) will be blown apart and how does one UN-learn a lifetime of deceit and lies?
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This but one more in a LONG list of reasons, that even "peaceful divorce" is just not tenable. Aside from bad faith negotiations, when their "side" completely collapses, they will wage holy hell against us, to get the resources they squandered. I have zero idea how this will end, but one thing is for 100% positive... it is gonna be DAMNED UGLY.
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@DeffoZappo ... Sadly, pretty much all we have ever come to know is now become political and due to leftist ideology.... drawn along tribal lines. What we see to day is almost ALL been turned on its head. I remember that Tipper Gore, while atypical for a Democrat, spoke out against lyrics in rap music and the GOP was all over it with her. However, the vast majority of liberals in this country could see the danger of rampant censorship that was lurking in the shadows of the bill that eventually got "Parental Advisory" stickers on the front of music deemed with offensive lyrics. Today, it is conservatives protesting violations of 1a, but is unfamiliar territory as the Democrats have ALWAYS been vigilant on that front, say the rare exception of Tipper Gore. I remember the ACLU defending Nazi rallies down Main Street USA, but not any longer.
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@learningtocrash4030 ... I am not being fooled by anyone :) I am completely cognisant of what the leftist is doing and push back on them literally every single day! I absolutely agree that they are drunk with power and have been insanely enabled by multiple entities, not the least of which are nearly ALL of big tech, certainly all of the most populated ones, but mostly from Joseph Goebbles Propaganda Machine.
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I will admit that I have lost a bit of context with THIS particular thread, as I am involved in several ongoing VERY detailed discussions on both "a zero borders for the entire globe" and "issues of capital punishment and 3 strikes laws". The latter being on THIS very video here :) That said, I don't care if anyone "feigns" they are being censored, I care only if they ARE being censored. I also don't care WHO is being censored, I will defend their right to speak, 100% irrespective of whether or not I agree with them. While I most certainly disagree with, safe to say.... 99.9% of the positions held by leftists, I will defend their right to say whatever it is they have to say, but draw the line on being told that it is I who have to follow whatever it is they say.
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I am certain that you and I agree on that last point for sure, even if not on all others :)
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@learningtocrash4030 ... I hear what you are saying, but we CANNOT allow ourselves to believe that you or I should be the arbiters of what is and is not acceptable speech. Yes... We can see ALL over big tech, that conservatives are most certainly and openly demonized by leftists, while they do ZERO to curb or punish it in any way. However, we CANNOT become that which we are fighting! I am fully aware of the evils that are perpetuated by leftists, but I have and WILL CONTINUE to be civil in the face of it, so long as it is confined to issues of dialog. To that end, this is where I draw the line!
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To this very day, I have worn a Covid mask twice... EXACTLY TWO TIMES! Once to vote Trump last year and again to vote Larry Elder and oust Grewsom. I obviously live in Comifornia, so BOTH were wasted votes, beyond any possible "manipulation" that absolutely DID occur (careful with words as some WILL get comments deleted by algorithm). I am not vaxxed nor will I EVER be and is not because I am anti-vax. I have not taken a vaccine for literally 40+ years and that last one was for tetanus, as I was cut by a VERY rusty nail at work. All indications are that the vax IS helping to save lives and lessen the strain on health system. I understand the jury is still out on things, but debating Covid is another way to get comments deleted).
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@learningtocrash4030 ... It may be due to how you wrote the above, but not completely following you :(
1. You won't vote for Trump.... gotcha! I did not vote in 2016, but I did vote Trump 2020. However, I cannot imagine voting for him if he runs in the future and is NOT because I no longer support him. I cannot and will not speak to every claim that everyone has made against him, but I do not know what you mean by "repeatedly denounced normal Americans", so if you care to clarify, I will be listening :)
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2. I would give serious push back against the notion that 90% of the population supports the erosion of free speech, if I am reading your comment correctly. Again, if I misunderstood, please clarify, as I will NEVER intentionally straw-man another nor will I assume the least generous interpretation of what someone says. it may appear that I have done one or both, but NEVER by intention :)
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@Paper Fart ... Here is what I have been doing. Whenever you make a comment that contains "wrong think" (if you are even 1% conservative or libertarian, than you DO!), copy/paste it to a .txt file PRIOR to posting. Refresh the page and confirm it has not been deleted by YouTube Censorship Mafia. If so, paste it back and change spelling of key words. On ABL or Jericho Green, the words "Barack Obama" have gotten MANY of my comments deleted, so change spelling to "B-arak Oh-bama" or the like. The algorithm may not catch it, so you are good. This is a PITA, but we MUST force these authoritarian platforms to display content that they hate :) I was mod of Unsafe Space for a time and was CONSTANTLY under the watchful eyes of our Lord and Savior, Susan. However, I was ALWAYS able to get creative enough, so as to avoid the axe and got my message out :)
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This thread has produced 133 replies and just like the current state of politics has become tribal and lost focus: My OP:
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Ben is orthodox Jew. Completely opposed to gay marriage, yet good friends with Dave Ruben who has a husband. The Leftist claim tolerance, but would NEVER befriend a conservative
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Let's break this down, shall we?:
1. Ben is an orthodox Jew : This orthodoxy simply put does not accept a person being gay as a sexual relationship is to be between a man & woman
2. Completely opposed to gay marriage : We could pick this apart, but is a simple way to say that Ben has issues with two members of the same sex engaging in sexual conduct. ....Now, regardless of specific language used or semantics I used, it is a simple way to explain that the "human being" Ben Shapiro has some major issues with gay relationships.
3. yet good friends with Dave Ruben who has a husband : What is "good friends"? we all define differently, suffice to say, they are 100% cordial and here Ben is at
....Dave's house having a pleasant conversation about politics and social issues. Those issues are completely intertwined and the conversation takes no issue with Dave being gay
....or Ben having an issue "making a cake" or "going to his wedding". Those are not relevant issues here, as neither Dave nor Ben define their friendship over who they have sexual
....relationships with. Ben has said that he would be happy to have Dave and his husband over to the Shapiro home for dinner, but his religious doctrine precludes him from going to
....a wedding between a same sex couple. I personally define this as "good friends", but describe it however you like.
4. The Leftist claim tolerance : This is where much of this thread has broken down, IMO. The term "leftist" is a common term that is used to describe a politically left leaning person
....who is on the far end of that political spectrum and often referred to as "progressive". The term "progressive" is supposed to be a positive one and meaning forward thinking and
....accepting society as it has become and outside of the "conservative" definition of how that society should be built. The accepted conservative definition of society is built on
....what is derived from the bible. This is a basic reference to the era in which the Ten Commandments were written.
5. _ but would NEVER befriend a conservative_ : The term "leftist" or use "progressive" if you like, is certainly a derogatory term, as "Progressives" continually say they are "inclusive"
....of ALL people. Gay, black, white, trans... you name it. The SJW is using the basic principles of the Democratic or liberal party, but twisting it into what can ONLY be described as
.... a cult. The SJW has taken to redefining a shit-ton of words, but let's just focus on "racism". Since I am referring to the SJW in this part of my OP, this is where much of this
....conversation has gone astray, IMO. Racism does NOT mean "power + privilege". This is a complete lie, as it means to judge one based on his / her race and deem that race as
....inferior or superior because of their race. THAT is the basic definition of "racism" and how the world has defined it for 10,000 years. That definition is used by the SJW to define
....nearly every single person who has ANY disagreement with it's ideology and deem that person as "racist". This term is interchanged with "white supremacist" "homophobic"
...."xenophobic" and all other descriptive words that tell the listener, "this person has very narrow views of society and intolerant of one who does not follow the teachings of the
....bible" Simply put, as I am not a religious scholar :) While the SJW keeps using terms of "inclusive", they and those I describe as "leftist", have ZERO tolerance for Ben Shapiro,
....because they just put him into the box of "evil". There is no conversation allowed in the world of and SJW, you either believe 100% of what they say or you are a "racist" and so
....on. The SJW has also deemed Dave Rubin as all of those terms, because he has merely associated with people OUTSIDE of who the SJW deems as acceptable. Acceptable is
....ONLY defined by the SJW and is re-defined continuously based on the moment. The SJW cannot be called "tolerant' as Dave Rubin has been deemed an evil person, because he
....associates with people who are not SJW's. I could pick apart and destroy SJW cult, but since I would offer disagreement to the conversation, "cancellation" is the only answer.
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Now, what I have done in the above is freaking RIDICULOUS, yet many in this thread have gone WAY beyond what was said or meant with the original post. Ben and Dave have many significant political differences and one very distinct one, that have traditionally precluded a conversation like we see in the above video. However, they are having that conversation, because they can see beyond those differences and work toward a common goal. The SJW or leftist will NEVER discuss anything with either of these men, because they don't "bend the knee" to the whims of SJW cult. That makes the self-proclaimed "inclusive and tolerant" SJW, exactly the opposite. If you DON'T think SJW is a cult, just take a look at the "peaceful" protesters who want to KILL every police officer in this country... no exceptions.. they are all deemed EVEL... period!
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@beesdontlikeit You are not listening to me :) I have given you a VERY clear definition of whom I am referring and by the definition I am using. There is a clear distinction between "Left" and "leftist". Now, you may not agree with that distinction and it appears that you don't, but that is 100% fine. However, having made that distinction to frame my position, it is a failed argument on your part to conflate the two so as to support your assertion that I am generalizing the left...that is pure BS.
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I follow ALL media, but do my best to avoid propaganda. That is EXTREMELY difficult, when one consumes CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo and most mainstream media, as they have become left-leaning bias to an absolutely absurd degree. I have no issue with media that has a biased point of view, as it is not possible to avoid bias, as we all have them about varying things. However, when the bias of ANY news organization has become so accepting that it becomes the "facts" of an event, that is when I can no longer follow, because the reporting has no objectivity remaining.
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If I had the time or inclination, I could LINK for you a thousand articles of pure garbage passed as "fact" by leftist new organizations (see "leftist" as I define in earlier comment), but I will give to you one that perfectly describes how widespread and bad it gets.... "Covington kids". The media intentionally and will extreme malice, painted those kids, and most specifically, Nick Sandmann as a racist and bigot.
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I don't fear a "boogyman" in leftist media, I fear those who believe the trash they sell is true!
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@mellowtron214 ... Well, we are getting more into discussing semantics and that can only lead us astray... lol
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Yes, we are speaking in "general" terms here. There are most certainly exceptions to EVERYTHING any of us have said in this thread. But, we are all adults and to constantly qualify every single statement with.... "I am generalizing here and don't speak for 100% of all who consider themselves FILL IN THE BLANK politically affiliated" is, or rather should be beneath the level of discourse we are having here.
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Yes... I am thankful that the extreme die-hard leftists are a "minority", when it comes to actual numbers. But, when we look out the window or see the events unfolding all over this nation and most specifically, Portland, we can see that minority is on 100% full attack against EVERYTHING upon which this country was built. The Constitution, The Bill of Rights, The Declaration of Independence and The Ten Commandments are under MAJOR ASSAULT and this cannot possibly be denied by ANY person who actually sees what is happening in this nation.
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While they are a minority, they have nearly full support of mainstream media, those in academia, Democratic mayors / city leaders and the Democratic party. There are certainly MANY in each of those groups who are VERY MUCH OPPOSED to what BLM, Antifa and others are doing, they are absolutely SILENT! They are silent because they are either spineless or in the vast majority of cases, fear retribution by the outrage mob on Twitter. We saw only last week that the NYT's was planning to run an article exposing the town in which Tucker Carlson lives. We absolutely know that such information will be read by supporters of BLM and Antifa and begin to track down the specifics of where Tucker Carlson lives. They will absolutely and without shadow of a doubt, search public documents of town records and figure out his home address. Antifa and or BLM will without question show up at his house and threaten him and his family, because they disagree with his politics. This is a fear tactic and the leftists have no issue stooping to this level.
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While there are a handful of those on the alt-right who would do something similar, they are nowhere near the numbers of those on the left they would be 100% denounced by the GOP. We cannot say this about the Dem's or mainstream media.
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Now, you and I are very likely in agreement about nearly all of this and most likely you did not me to say all of the above. However, there are many in this thread who would say that I am "fear mongering" or "an alt-right extremist", but I am neither of these things. I am a libertarian / moderate conservative who 100% believes in the founding principles of the democratic party. From there, we will differ in many ways politically, but I want us ALL to enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
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@QueenJneeuQ I guess to this one specific instance, that word would be applicable to some. I, however, wont use that word, because it is to all encompassing a term, IMO.
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Every single person reading this has bias or preference in one way or another about something. You may be 100% fine with gay and lesbian, but take issue with someone going through transition surgery. Does that make you a bigot or just having a line of which you no longer approve. To me, I draw the line of "bigot" in terms of how one feels or treats the subject in question. If you were as I described above, but did not "hate" or show anger / malice toward someone who transitioned, but rather just did not approve, would that make you a bigot...? to me it would not. I see bigotry as in malice or hatred in ones heart, not disagreement on how another makes life choices.
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Such terms are too broad and is one of my biggest issues with the SJW cult. The thinking, as evidenced by countless attacks on social media, cancellations and absolutely vile assaults of both physical and psychological attacks on someone for disagreement is insane. Earlier in this thread I used the former Democratic Pete Buttigieg as an example of how the "gay community" (SJW's who have decided they speak for LGBTQ people) said he was not "gay enough" to run for president. Imagine that... the first openly gay person to EVER run for the office of president and he was "cancelled".
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Was this the act of self-righteous activists who are 100% convinced they know what is best for the "gay community" or bigotry? It was damned sad, that is for sure :(
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@lik-- I am not sure who you are asking, but since I am probably offering the most detailed opinions, I will try to answer :)
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In terms of preaching tolerance, I have to assume you are speaking of those on the left or Democratic party and I would completely agree with that assessment. Tolerance is not even REMOTELY what any of the BLM, SJW or Antifa crowds practice and very little in the Democratic party, for that matter. Most of these groups, say BLM and Antifa, will absolutely say they are tolerant.. but the are absolutely NOT.
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Tolerance to the SJW means you tow 100% of the party line and they will "tolerate" you as a member of the cult. However, if you are 99.9% in line with all that is proclaimed by the SJW (for the moment we will ignore how those ideas change constantly), and you go against the doctrine publicly... you will very likely be on the receiving end of the outrage mob on Twitter and all social media. That mob will contact your employer, places you shop or visit and doxx your personal information as punishment for speaking out against the collective.
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What I have said above is 100% accurate and has happened countless times to creators I follow and personalities I admire on line. In any context, the SJW cult is EVIL!
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@colmodwyer9352 .. maybe he does, but it is his right to feel that way. Just as it is your right to be for that marriage. The idea of 1a and freedom in general, is to see that ALL rights are observed and protected. Since many, including Ben, believe the fundamental function of marriage is to procreate and two same-sex people cannot possibly do this, he is opposed to it. He does not want gay people to die, be sent to jail or re-education camps to "be straight", he just doesn't agree with gay relationships. As mentioned earlier, I have zero issues with gay relationships or marriage, but I respect his right to disagree with me and I am a Ben Shapiro fan and sub his channel :)
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EDIT: I believe that the biggest hurdle here is the word "marriage". Since marriage is spoke of in the bible and in the context of a man and woman, that SPECIFIC word has a vastly spiritual meaning and goes back what, 10K years? The crux of this argument for a HUGE swath of religious persons, is the use of "marriage" in the biding of two same sex persons. One can argue that gays have a right to marriage, but since that word is so integrated into the bible and its teachings, it really cannot be separated. Many see the term "marriage" as a religious bond and hence many are just not going to approve of "gay marriage".
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We can fight about this for the next 10K years and ONLY way most churches are gonna be OK with this, is if a word other than "marriage" is used to bind a same sex couple. Call that unfair if you like, but you are pushing against 10K years of those who follow some version of the bible and good luck trying to change their minds.
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A. you do understand their are exceptions to every rule, right?
B. The definition I am using for "leftist" may differ from yours. The "leftist", often called an SJW and I agree with that assessment, is also sometimes called a progressive. I personally use it as a derogatory term for an EXTREME left-leaning person who is entirely incapable of thinking outside of the cult. The cult says that you can be all for LGBTQ, but if say the following... "A woman is a biological female and a man cannot become a biological female" and you are "denying trans peoples right to exist". That statement is 100% fact, BTW.
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If you believe a man CAN become a biological female or argue is NO difference between a male and female, you are a "leftist" as defined above. I have defined it in earlier comments within this thread as well. If you also are friends with a conservative, I have a couple things to add. You are the exception to the rule and you had better not go on Twitter and admit this to your circle of friends. It has been well documented that even commenting on a thread of a conservative, will make you guilty by association and likely get the outrage mob to target you for cancellation. If that sounds harsh, you are damned right it is harsh and I know of plenty of people who were convicted of "wrong think" by the SJW or "leftist" and been assaulted, harassed, had their place of employment bombarded with messages and phone calls saying that person is a racist and lost their jobs. They have been doxed and otherwise been VERY badly financially harmed, because of political disagreement with the SJW. The SJW cult is pure EVIL and it knows only how to destroy and nothing about actually sitting down with opposing points of view and discussing possible compromise or understanding of the nuance or context in a given argument.
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However, if you are willing to "openly affiliate" with a conservative and you have multiple pronouns in the bio of your social media accounts, you had better not invite that person to your like minded friends house for dinner... lol
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NOTE: Conservative: Not someone who is slightly to the right of Nancy Pelosi, but a moderate conservative, such as Ben Shapiro. Anyone who thinks Ben Shapiro is Alt-right... is most definitely a leftist
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@Player_Review ... There is a lot to unpack there, but will give it a go :)
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Yes, the idea of "tolerance" was absolutely omitted from the WOKE handbook, as was discussion, debate, conversation or acceptance of ANY view other than its own. I do see the SJW ideology as not only a cult, but it is absolutely EVIL! The moderate Dem's, and their certainly are, have no spine, because they are afraid to speak up against the outrage mob. Even the very left leaning Nancy Pelosi stood up against the squad initially and said she would NOT attempt impeachment of Trump, as their was ZERO bi-partisan support and such an act would be very divisive for the nation. She was absolutely correct, but caved because she is weak.
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Then, Pelosi went serious for impeachment 2 more times while STILL having nothing to stand on, except Orange Man Bad and the Dem's forced a vote. Everybody with a microscopic brain knew it was gonna fail, but they just want a black mark on Trump. This leads us to everything else the Dem's are doing. They have NO strategy for anything, they just want to hurt Trump, so they resort to the most insanely petty BS imaginable and just keep throwing everything, including the kitchen sink up against the wall to see what sticks.
Well, nothing has stuck, but that doesn't stop them and THIS leads us into mainstream media.
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I would argue that the mainstream media is 100% as evil as the SJW, but in many ways they are even worse. Since they back 100% of ANYTHING the Dem's do or say, it has emboldened them to go for impeachment like 6 times (3 times quite serious) and keep looking for that one thing to "stick" on the wall. We have heard the Dem's call Pres. Trump a racist, white nationalist, xenophobe, bigot, sexist and literally every single negative slur they can think of, yet offer ZERO to substantiate any of it. Well, they may be able to make a case for being a lousy husband or objectify women, but unfortunately, that is all too common with very rich and powerful men... sad, but true.
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The thing is, one cannot find evidence of racism and all the rest, because THERE IS NONE! They take EVERYTHING he ever says out of context and lie about everything else. Hell, I could go on for about 200 more paragraphs, but my computer will run out of ink before I get them all down.... lol
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The GOP is every bit as weak as the moderate Democrats and Trump is the ONLY thing between BLM, Antifa, the SJW's, the Demoncrats, big tech, all social media and the mainstream mediocre... did I forget anybody? The Constitution, The Bill of Rights, The Declaration of Independence and Ten Commandments are under FULL ASSAULT right now. Trump is the last line of defense before it is all destroyed by the leftist being allowed, even supported by many people in VERY powerful positions. If he loses in November, this country will absolutely go to full gun fighting in the streets civil war. There are what, 200m fire arms owned by American citizens and like 12 quantillion rounds of ammo and the 2a members of this country, WILL take a stand against socialism. Socialism is what the leftist wants and I would rather be dead than live under a socialist America.
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@goldenremnant2610 ... Maybe a just a tiny bit hyperbolic and generalizing, but I would agree with your overall assessment :)... (psst... I have done my share of both in this thread...lol). Reading your closing line is spectacular and is an absolutely BRILLIANT piece of writing.
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Earlier in this thread, I was talking with Melissa Gannon (3 days ago and probably 100 replies into this thread) and she said something that I took to be a bit cynical and called it out. She replied and we broke it down a bit and we had a nice exchange over the course of a few comments. In one of those comments, I told her something to the effect that when I see something "bad azz", was the term I used, I said I would most certainly repeat it to others.
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However, I failed to mention I would give credit to those others, because I won't plagiarize someones work, as I think that is unkind. I am going to copy / paste your last lines there and share them on Unsafe Space in the chat room. I mod there and those words speak exactly to the sentiment of all who are saddened by the political discourse we see today. We all want to engage in dialog and seek solutions to what is so troubling to so many, but as your words so purrfectly said, those that speak the evil that is progressive SJW ideology... they see themselves as above discourse, because they are the righteous ones.
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PS> See what I did there? :)
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@InqvisitorMagnvs ... What in the hell are you talking about? I am not here saying that gay people have not had a very difficult time getting to where the are today, in terms of acceptance. Nor am I making excuses for anyone who treated gays so poorly at any point in history. What I am saying is that we, as humans have evolved over time and the overwhelming majority got over the bigotry and hatred of gay people and we as a nation are much better off for it. Are there still some who don't like gays...? Absofreakinglutely! we have 330+m people in America and you will NEVER see it bigotry, racist, white nationalist, homophobic or xenophobic 100% free as a nation.. EVER. Guess what, people are free to hate gay people all they want, they are just not allowed to physically assault them or discriminate against them, based on being gay. Will some find a way around that and still not hire them for a job or fire them if they discover they are gay..? YES! Some people are just NEVER going to be OK with gay people and that is just not going to change.
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What I am getting out of the @InqvisitorMagnvs statement is what I hear from the SJW's as an argument to "cancel" a person or group. Since at one point the GOP were VERY much anti-gay in nearly all ways, so was a massive amount of Democrats, libertarians, communists, socialists and fascists at one point. The SJW will argue that since this is the case, any such "group" who was anti-gay, is forever guilty by association and is therefore irredeemable. Guess what, Trump is the VERY FIRST president to ever enter office and be pro-gay marriage on the day he was inaugurated. That's right... Obama, Clinton and 100% of every president that America has ever had, was ANTI gay marriage when they entered the White House.
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The vast majority of people in ALL of the groups I mentioned above, have come to understand what the gay people were saying from the start. They are just like everyone else, they just happen to be romantically attracted to persons of their own sex. One of the often irrational fears we possess as human creatures, is to fear what we don't understand. That fear has historically caused people to respond in ways that seemed rational at the time to most, but many times proved to be wrong as we came to know or understand what it was that we feared so badly. Those who are not gay, including myself, simply cannot understand what it is like to be gay and that "unknown" was enough to instill an irrational fear in far too many people and the gay community payed dearly for it. The acceptance of gay people has come LIGHT YEARS from those early days and some of it was triggered by AIDS, as it was killing people and they were nearly all in the gay community. We don't hear about AIDS much at all anymore, but I remember the fear of not knowing ANYTHING about it, except that those who got it died a very slow and painful death. That fear made it MUCH worse for the gay community, as it created a trigger response of survival in much of America.
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This is not a "GOP" thing... a "Democrat" thing or an "any" thing other than a psychological response to an irrational fear of something we just don't really understand as straight people. If you ask evolutionary biologist, they will tell you that such instincts were born of early man who had to hide from animals in caves to avoid being lunch. Those instincts are STILL within us and cause us to respond in ways that later prove to be irrational. In the early days of man, not taking EXTREME caution, could very well cost you your life. The survival instinct is built in our DNA and you can blame our creator for that one.
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I am not excusing anyone for perpetuating hate against gay people, just saying that humans are far from perfect, but we have grown as a people. While Ben is a associated with the GOP, he was not in political power looking to deny rights to gay people when Reagan was president. While he is "less tolerant" than many, he is a HELL of a lot more accepting of gays than the vast majority of people 50 years ago.
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@PayNoTax-GetNoVote .... Re: the 1A comment: I don't really don't know what you are trying to convey here. But, I will say the following... 1a is unquestionably, undoubtedly and without the most microscopic split second of hesitation the most important right we have as American citizens... PERIOD! Before anyone says that 2a is more important, think of it this way. Without 1a, we would not be able to argue for 2a and that would be that. In the current state of this country, 1a is under absolute assault, by those that use mob tactics to instill fear of exercising that right.
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If we as a people don't want to lose 1a, we must FIGHT for it. We should not have to do so, but with the treasonous Marxists, communists and socialists that are very much attempting to take over government, we will ABSOLUTELY lose that right as the very first thing to go. Socialism has only one true enemy... freedom of speech!
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If we stand by and allow our 1a right to fall, not only will we have betrayed the founding fathers vision of America... we don't deserve it!
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@tolstoyed yes and and no. I would agree that being gay is not a decision, but party affiliation is more akin to how one legislatively supports their values. Those values are generally instilled by parents, other family members and close friends as one grows up. There are certainly some changes to those values due to events in one's life, but I would say the most basic values one has are quite universal.
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I would add that Conservatives and Democrats have traditionally shared very similar values, but as mentioned above, the difference is best identified by how one feels those values should be expressed or written into legislation. After all, the purpose of government is to write and enforce laws to protect its citizens. Creating / supporting an infrastructure of roads, police, fire stations and the like is something that a conservative would be MUCH more likely to argue is enough than a Democrat which, as I go on, will become more clear. However, this is where the significant differences lie within the Republican and Democratic parties.
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I am going to be quite general here, but I could go back and site a huge number of times when the following was found to be true. Let's take "Affirmative Action" as a VERY good example. The idea, in its conception, was a really good one and would argue that the vast majority of GOP would agree with that statement. The difference between Conservatives and Democrats on this point has become VERY clear over the years since it was implemented. There was most certainly a time when a very large portion of America was bigoted against blacks. While there certainly are still some that feel this way (we have 330+ million people here), those numbers have dropped INSANELY since the civil rights laws of the sixties were enacted. However, there comes a time when one must remove the "training wheels" and ride that bike with the risk of falling.
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Affirmative Action today, has become a limitation that is HURTING blacks... YES, it is most definitely hurting blacks. When we as a people continue to support or make laws that say to someone "you need my help to make it in this world, so we are not going to remove those training wheels". At what point do those training wheels prohibit the rider of that bike to becoming a contestant in the X-Games? A: as soon as one is able to ride that bike without them! If you don't give somebody the opportunity to fail and protect them with the "security" of training wheels, they will NEVER, EVER, EVER reach their potential, because those training wheels are indeed holding them back.
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If I was to continually remind you, that "you need my help because the the world is against you", you create a person who will ultimately rely on that help and come to feel he or she will absolutely fail without it. So, over the many, many years of Affirmative Action, we get excuses from both blacks that have not been as successful as desired and Democrats that will point to those training wheels and say.... "See.... this is why we need to add an additional set of training wheels to offer more help". If you ever want to crush the human spirit, tell that person you will NEVER make it on your own without my help!
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This becomes a circular argument and we have the perpetuation of "help" and one cannot be inspired by success and grab opportunities to achieve ones dreams. If ANYONE has continually had a "safety net", at what point does that person feel he or she has been a success and feel a sense of pride in their own accomplishments? After all, what is so impressive about a tight-rope walker crossing a wire 1000 feet off the ground, were it not for the possibility that he or she would ABSOLUTELY die, should even the smallest mistake be made and fall from that wire?
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We can all say what an incredible act of balance and concentration, but if there was a safety net below and that tight-rope walker could not possibly be harmed by falling, exactly how much pride will he or she feel to make it to the opposite building and how many of us would be impressed by such success...? pretty much none!
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@mathewm7136 …. No. He disclosed more information than any person in history, but he failed to have backups of video that YouTube hade since deleted. He was incapable of supplying video that he did not possess. Furthermore, the judge precluded his ability to show clips of his apologies, because she said that it would remove context and the court cannot show 2 hour InfoWars broadcasts, in order to provide the INSANE degree of context she was demanding.
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Of course, that did not stop her from allowing clips of his statements, regardless of the context. Look, I get that AJ defamed, as Sean said. There is ZERO question that he should be financially punished for what he said. However, this “trial” is NOT about just getting punitive damages, it is awarding $90M to an FBI agent for AJ calling him an actor and a making a mean statement.
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The judge FORCED the defense into a position in which they had no option but to plead “no contest”, because the judge needed that to be said in order to continue with his persecution. The state has weaponized the legal system to go after those that call their actions into question. AJ is an easy target, but the state wants precedent in which to provide an ongoing threat to ANYONE whom they feel may simply offend another against the states wishes.
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AJ absolutely DID defame, but sure as hell nowhere near the level of his persecution.
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@humility-righteous-giving .... Here's the issue. He was selling people the idea they can have HIS body, via JUST the supplements he was selling, diet he was promoting and hard work he was obviously doing. When he was asked SPECIFICALLY if he used any PED's, hormones and the like, he said he did not.... THAT IS A LIE! His premise was that you can have HIS body, via his products, a proper diet and obviously... PLENTY of workouts. He was advertising HIS body as the result of these actions and THESE actions alone WITHOUT the use of the hormones and drugs he was using to get HIS build.
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Again.. it is way beyond obvious that he eats a proper diet, trains properly and does ALL the things to build a huge muscular body... this is not in question. What IS in question, is how he got THAT big and it took a lot more than JUST those things and this is where the lie comes in. He said he did not use illegal / banned substances to get as muscular as he is, but he DID use them. This would be like a grade school teacher catching one of her student using cheat notes on part of the test. She sees him cheat, but then tells herself... "Well, he ONLY cheated on the math portion of the test, so I will still give him a "B". NO! He cheated so he FAILS the entire test.
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You want to give him a "pass" for all of the things he does / did legit... fine! If you think it was just his "philosophy" that failed here, go ahead and keep those blinders on and give him that "B" for only cheating on part of the test. How about you go back and get a NEW review from all of those who praised his products, now that they know the whole truth? No doubt there will be some who do not change their opinion, but that is not really the point, is it? He achieved HIS body, by way of everything he promotes AND drugs / hormones he said he never took. I am sure his products are great, but he is freakishly large and therefore he stands out from the crowd and THIS was his largest and unspoken selling point. There are a mega sheet ton of very big, muscular people in the world, but among them, he stands out, because of his size.
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His extreme size was only THAT extreme because of the drugs he said he never took. Continue to support him / his products and will get no judgment from me. Continue in the attempt to sell me that he is not a fraud and may as well go beat your head against a concrete wall... because that is what my position happens to be.
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Have a great rest of the day... CT 🐱
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OK, @7:00 in and I am done here. What happened to Rayshard was horrible and sad he lost his life, but Joe is off his nut. He was drunk in his car and that is considered drunk driving. Under the law, it must be assumed that he drove there drunk or will leave there drunk in his car. He had a terrible history of violent felonies, prison time and various bad criminal behavior. The police, as well as Rayshard, were 100% cordial and friendly until he was to be placed under arrest for drunk driving (failed breathalizer test). At that point, Rayshard resisted and threw both officers off of him, during the hand-cuffing procedure. Both officers were overpowered by an obviously strong man, but since he was known to be drunk and understand his criminal history, Rayshard has used up an overwhelming amount of ANY possible good will and he may be on other drugs that provide resistance to pain or enhance strength. When Rayshard took the taser, he crossed the line... BIG TIME. He had already over powered both officers, if one was incapacitated by taser, Rayshard need only over power the second officer again or has an opportunity to grab the gun of the officer who is now down. When Rayshard runs away, he turns and fires the taser at the officers, but misses (not for lack of trying). He need only run far enough to get into a home or find a person walking on the street to take a hostage and now we have ANOTHER innocent person possibly harmed and at the very least extremely traumatized by Rayshard.
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What are the cops supposed to do? There comes a point when one has used up all of his / her capitol of good will. Rayshard reached that point likely years ago, yet here he was doing it all again. I am so sick of the public sitting back in the comfort of a living room, 100% removed from these types of situations and saying.... "well, he wasn't a bad guy, they should have done X instead" Hindsight is 20/20 and what if Rayshard had gotten away and into a home of sleeping family? What if he held a knife to the throat of a young child? These officers KNEW the criminal history of Rayshard, so there comes a time when you NO LONGER get the benefit of the doubt and must be stopped. Rayshard is dead today, because of his own actions. Is it possible the cops could have ran him down and subdued him successfully the second time....? Sure. But it is 100% as likely he would have found a person nearby and taken a hostage or harmed another person. Rayshard is dead today, because of Rayshard's actions.... nothing more. Easy to sit back and spend 2 weeks analyzing the events that took place in 5 seconds of real time and come up with 100 fantasy outcomes. 99.9999999999% if those people watching or listening to Joe Rogan do not have anywhere NEAR the criminal past of Rayshard Brooks, so safe to imagine that he is a bit more dangerous than you and me.
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@robertmosher7418 ... Yes. In states and local elections, that is what happens and what is the "Most fair" for them. However, we can move out of towns, counties and states, but we cannot so easily move out of country. Florida cannot hold us all and will eventually close its doors to new residents, because growing pains WILL begin to cause great harm to Florida, even if they ARE all sane people who like DeSantis. Florida will continue going right until such time as it will go too far and they will elect a Democrat or, God forbid... a leftist and it will all swing back again. In short, this country has been F'd over by a VERY, VERY small number of extremists, combined with liberal voters who cannot see past their own tribe in November every 4 years.
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@snowcat9308 ... You are just itching for some sort of confrontation here, aren't you? The book "Gender Queer" (think that is the full title, but do not even want to search to confirm), discusses VERY graphic details on sexual interactions, between characters in the book that are minors. If you think it is necessary or even OK, to have books that must be censored when read on national TV or school board members telling parents that reading from such books is unacceptable in their meetings, than you have VERY different ideas about what should be in taxpayer funded schools with children of the age that book was meant as reading level. So, as per your inference, it is OK for 5 yo's to be exposed to the very graphic details of sexual interactions between children of around this age, because what.. "they won't get it?". Well, kids being kids, will go out and experiment with putting a boys p** in another boys mouth to see what the fuss is all about.
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Children of the age that book was meant to academically reach, are FAR below the age of understanding the dynamics of such interactions and the risk of a very wide range of social, health and stigma related societal issues. They have ZERO business being exposed to this part of the human condition, as children lack the cognitive ability to discern, as well as the inhibition to restrain from adult activities. See, you ARE taking the least faith interpretation, as I don't distinguish "gay" relationships from "straight" ones, when it comes to the age of those we are talking about. You are trying VERY hard for a gotcha, by your use of language here and I find it very curious indeed.
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This has NOTHING to do with being gay or straight. My concerns here are with the appropriateness, or lack there of, for the age of the students with access. You are the one who has and continues to make this a "gay" issue, so you are seeking to paint me as anti-gay or homophobic in line with the "modus operendi of the right". I don't take my cues of morality from Daily Wire, PragerU or anyone on the internet. You are the one whom is conflating issues of my concerns of exposure of sexual material to young children, is somehow anti-gay motivated.
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Your last line sums up your agenda perfectly. I am talking about a book with very graphic detailed descriptions of human sexuality in a grade school library and you think this is me trying to hide or conceal children from knowing gay people exist (your words). Kids will naturally begin to "experiment" with such things described in this book, rightly or wrongly, in due time and is in overwhelming amount of cases, during puberty.
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Let me ask you this... is Gender Queer SIMPLY about gay people and their "interactions" with each other? Do we allow Penthouse magazine in the schools? Do we allow unfettered access to the internet to children of this age? If not, why not? Serious question. Can we just allow kids to be kids and figure out all this stuff, as they have for the last, oh.... I don't know 100K years? Do we need to have graphic descriptions of sexual acts being performed by children and with reading level comprehension that reaches young children? Do we REALLY need that, in order to tell these kids... that "gay people exist?". Is this the academic path in which you feel is best for a child to first learn of gay peoples existence, by describing how to perform a b*** **b on another student?
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Society can do better to show how various people show physical affection, but how about we wait until they are a LOT better emotionally, physically and cognitively able to incorporate it into their lives? The overwhelming vast majority of full grown adults will STILL say it is too young to grasp the gravity of such interactions (pregnancy, emotional attachment or the removal of its importance and even disease). This is not and should not be about "sex" alone. It is about a bonding that will happen when shared with a person of whom, I would hope that care deeply for one another. If not, than sex becomes a simple act of pleasure and we can see OF an the VERY high number of young people whom have access to pr0n and often times before they have even had it. This cheapens the experience and lessens that "bond" one should feel, when with a very close partnership. This strengthens not just a marriage, but long-term relationships, so that these two people, irrespective of their gender, share something special that ONLY they do. This creates an intimacy and a "value" that we are losing, when it comes to sexual interaction.
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I could go on and on, but I would like this to be a conversation, so.... please let me know your thoughts :)
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@snowcat9308 ...OMG, my last comment ACTUALLY remains, so is the first one in the last ten. I understand, you do not want conversations that belong in THIS threat, on your channel, a that is a perfectly reasonable stance and feel exactly the same way myself. However, had you ACTUALLY read those comments, you would understand why I put them there, as well as my apologies for doing so. Instead, you simply delete them and then block me from posting normal positive comments about your cute cat videos. I kept the political comments OFF of your videos, because the "Community" tab is off the beaten path and you had no user comments there, prior to my using that page.
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I check today and... BOOM, my last comment actually still exists. However if YouTube decides to delete this one, I again will have no way to reach you. On to the topic at hand....
Bad faith: YES, you are arguing in bad faith, because I already told you about 1 book "Gender Queer" and is 100% sexually explicit material. It is written for lower-grade school reading levels (circa) 1st and 2nd grade and has ZERO place in public school library where that age child has access. Your gaslighing and denial that this book is sexually explicit and presented in the reading / comprehension level of the ages of children I just mentioned, shows how you are arguing in bad faith.
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There are other books, but that one is by light-years the most well known, as MFL (organization of female parents against such material ) have been wrecking the likes of Joy Reid and Bill Maher, to name a couple, by simply reading that book aloud to them. Joy Reid is the worst of the worst, when it comes to HORRENDOUSLY bad faith arguments, yet those two Moms read from that book and Joy still tried to defend how it was "banning books". This is an outright lie, because keeping such material away from those age children is not censorship nor banning... it is the right thing to do. As I said, in the comments you conveniently failed to read or at least fail to acknowledge you read.... another example of bad faith. Whether wont acknowledge having read them or to NOT have read them and repeating the same question as above, is concrete evidence of your bad faith position.
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That same book has been read aloud in many [board meetings of "educators"] and those who run the meetings, shut down the microphone, for the reading of explicit pr0n, within the meeting. That [board] calls that book for what it is during the public meeting forum, yet is directly responsible for that book being made available to children 12+ years younger than the 18 year old minimum America has said (via laws) across the country. The banning of books and keeping them from such age children are not the same thing and you know this to be true. Avoiding this SPECIFIC issue repeatedly and asking me again to tell you which books.... is yet another example of bad faith.
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Furthermore, it is 100% irrelevant that this book happens to be about gay interactions, as it would be precisely as explicit were it identical, but was male / female CHILDREN depicted within it. You have proven to me, in just the same way as probably 50 others whom I have tried to hold this conversation, that you will duck, evade, obfuscate, straw-man and gaslight me, in order to avoid answering the following question...
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Why is it that you refuse to recognize that book for being [s** e****] and specifically presented for children of the age mentioned above? You have conflated the ACTUAL Issues of such material and told me that I and others whom feel the same way, are seeking to "hide or deny the existence" of gay people. The answer has been made abundantly clear, multiple times within this thread (and the comments you fail to acknowledge on your "Community" tab), by me and by every person who has publicly called for its removal from elementary school libraries. Yet... here you are speaking as though this has NEVER been said and earlier claimed it as an excuse to avoid teaching children about gay people. I have proven multiple times this is a lie, so more proof of your bad faith position.
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We do not allow unrestricted access to internet, via the schools these children attend, nor do we allow [Top Floor of hotel magazine] or [adult activities] visual recorded media to exist there, so tell me... what is the difference between the book we are discussing and these particular items, listed immediately above...? Hint: NOTHING!
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PS> If this comment remains for you to see, I will be absolutely shocked, because replies that expose the agenda are not welcome here.
PPS> I still have that comment that was posted on your "Community" tab. As a conservative who knows what it is like to be censored, I back up those comments that come within 500 miles of "wrong-think"
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@snowcat9308 .. OMG.. Yes. Educators who want to children to be exposed to material that is SPECIFICALLY meant for adults. You, know, literary depictions of acts! Those depicted are of years under the lowest legal age in US. So, as per YOUR definition, if it is a "personal experience" of someones "gender identity", than the idea of adult behavior is mute?
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Children do NOT need a deeper understanding of activities that are ONLY legal ones between adults. A book, that discusses activities that are ONLY legal between adults has no place in a public school library, where not only accessible by minors, but written SPECIFICALLY for them to understand.
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As for "politely", what you are telling me, is that I am ONLY spouting that which has been told to me and because I disagree with you, that I have obviously not done any thinking for myself. What if I was to say..."I would like you to politely ef off"? Using "politely does not make it less insulting, but actually more so. Your telling me to seek other sources of information, is you not just being condescending, but narcissistic, arrogant and self-righteous, because YOU think you know better than I.
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That book is written for children, yet with very adult themes, so has no place within publicly funded libraries.
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@totorosghost ... You continue to read a LOT into at least my cooment(s). If you have not already, expand them and see each one of my replies, as I have been not only consistent, but have not gone beyond my OP. Like everyone else in this thread, I have a TON of disagreements, push-back and more, for many positions I have heard / seen her support / praise.
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However, while ALL of those things were, are and remain true, she has been willing to not only accept a 180 degree turn on a number of big issues, but she cannot "unsee" what she has been accepting for a while now. She will certainly never be team Cheeto Man nor even a conservative, but as I have asked in one or two previous replies... how often do we see ANYONE so far on the left of so many issues, not go double, triple, quadruple and octuplet down on every single occasion?
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She is still and will always lean very heavy to the left and maybe even more than ever on some of them, she has been willing to not just reverse course on some very key issues, but once a person's eyes have been opened to such a degree, she cannot simply close them again. She is allowing at least some of the sane back into her liberal world view, so I am merely recognizing that.
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Furthermore, we must also recognize that she is on a MASSIVE platform, that has millions of followers, who despise these change of positions, but some of them WILL give some benefit of the doubt and listen, because she has their ear, regardless of yours, mine and all others in this threads opinion about those positions. She is now embracing fact over feelings in a number of issues those of us on the outside have been ripping our hair out, hoping she and many others would see.
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I get that probably most of these changes of position, have come due to being directly effected by them, but that does count as changing position. We can ask.."what took so long" and similar questions, but the point is.... she is not only reversing course on some huge things, but now TELLING that audience of millions just why she is doing so and some of them will be moved, to some degree, as she has. Those people will now begin to think about them and guess what... THEY will talk to others and share those views. Sure, some will be dragged back again or just leave the channel, but she IS getting some of them to look at an opposing opinion and giving it consideration.
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This is where I have stood since my OP. I have zero hopes she will begin wearing a dark pink hat with 4 letters embossed upon it, but we NEED sane libs and on at least some of the biggest issues (crime), she is not just moving that direction but to the point where she gave a sincere shout out to Sean's channel. Sean has been one of her harshest critics, yet here she is telling those millions of followers to check him out.
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I am repeating myself and like you, I have had an INSANE number of comments removed (my story is worse than most reading this, I can all but guarantee it), so I will back this up to Wordpad, in the event that it is removed, so I can try again with some encryption. Though, my experience as of late is that once a SINGLE comment / reply has been removed, from a video, any further comments, are then auto-deleted for at least 24 hours and often times, permanently. I have a sheet ton of threads in which I cannot reply to strawman, obfuscation, conflation, lies and some extremely bad faith replies to my comments and not one GD'd thing can do about answering to them. What makes it worse, is then that person continues to call me out, for not remaining in the thread, as if I cannot refute his / her "facts".
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I know your pain ALL too well, but will keep on trying anyway. Peace, Toto :)
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@totorosghost .... (trying again)..... Seems you continue to read a LOT into at least my comment(s). If you have not already, expand them and see each one of my replies, as I have been not only consistent, but have not gone beyond my OP. Like everyone else in this thread, I have a TON of disagreements, push-back and more, for many positions I have heard / seen her support / praise.
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However, while ALL of those things were, are and remain true, she has been willing to not only accept a 180 degree turn on a number of big issues, but she cannot "unsee" what she has been accepting for a while now. She will certainly never be team Cheeto Man nor even a conservative, but as I have asked in one or two previous replies... how often do we see ANYONE so far on the left of so many issues, not go double, triple, quadruple and octuplet down on every single occasion?
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She is still and will always lean very heavy to the left and maybe even more than ever on some of them, she has been willing to not just reverse course on some very key issues, but once a person's eyes have been opened to such a degree, she cannot simply close them again. She is allowing at least some of the sane back into her liberal world view, so I am merely recognizing that.
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Furthermore, we must also recognize that she is on a MASSIVE platform, that has millions of followers, who despise these change of positions, but some of them WILL give some benefit of the doubt and listen, because she has their ear, regardless of yours, mine and all others in this threads opinion about those positions. She is now embracing fact over feelings in a number of issues those of us on the outside have been ripping our hair out, hoping she and many others would see.
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I get that probably most of these changes of position, have come due to being directly effected by them, but that does count as changing position. We can ask.."what took so long" and similar questions, but the point is.... she is not only reversing course on some huge things, but now TELLING that audience of millions just why she is doing so and some of them will be moved, to some degree, as she has. Those people will now begin to think about them and guess what... THEY will talk to others and share those views. Sure, some will be dragged back again or just leave the channel, but she IS getting some of them to look at an opposing opinion and giving it consideration.
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This is where I have stood since my OP. I have zero hopes she will begin wearing a dark pink hat with 4 letters embossed upon it, but we NEED sane libs and on at least some of the biggest issues (crime), she is not just moving that direction but to the point where she gave a sincere shout out to Sean's channel. Sean has been one of her harshest critics, yet here she is telling those millions of followers to check him out.
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I am repeating myself and like you, I have had an INSANE number of comments removed (my story is worse than most reading this, I can all but guarantee it), so I will back this up to Wordpad, in the event that it is removed, so I can try again with some encryption. Though, my experience as of late is that once a SINGLE comment / reply has been removed, from a video, any further comments, are then auto-deleted for at least 24 hours and often times, permanently. I have a sheet ton of threads in which I cannot reply to strawman, obfuscation, conflation, lies and some extremely bad faith replies to my comments and not one GD'd thing can do about answering to them. What makes it worse, is then that person continues to call me out, for not remaining in the thread, as if I cannot refute his / her "facts".
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I know your pain ALL too well, but will keep on trying anyway. Peace, Toto :)
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@mikekane2492 ... Michael.. YOU ARE SPOT ON! :)
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The reason he is so best know is the finest example of all. He, and I am in 1 Billion % in agreement, has a major issue with compelled speech and was his ONLY issue with C-16. However, since trans people were the focal point of that compelled speech, he was insanely attacked as transphobic. The fundamental issue is that the past few generations were not told how to think....but rather what to think! Were those who are so critical not taught to think in the simplest of terms, they would be able to separate Jordan's issue with C-16 and trans people.
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Sadly, these are the generations to "lead" the world when the last "thinking" generation of you and I are gone. They will absolutely lead the Western world to ruination, if they are to have their way. I hate to be so bleak, but I am a realist and while the numbers of such people are relatively VERY, VERY few, they are in positions of great power. They run big tech and they are ever changing the definitions of words that have been well defined for millenia. I have had plenty of conversations with such people and their idiotology will not address issues with reason, logic or common sense..... only an emotional response triggered by the subject at hand. What makes this 1000 times worse, is that we don't even speak the same language, as they bludgeon us with terms that have that 1000 years of accepted definition. In the same conversation, they will use that same word in a context stripped of that concrete definition and now define it in a whole new way. They very well know exactly what racism means and what it is to invoke in one whom is accused of such actions, thought or speech. However, in the context of when THEY are giving us an oral history of the world, racism becomes "Power + Privilege".
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Sorry, Mikee... went off on a bit of a tangent there! Cheers :)
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@alexandermccabe556 ... and you know anyone in this thread voted Biden, because..... how exactly? Besides, this is not on Biden anyway, this is on the same MarxistCrat cult, but we have to go beyond even Grewsom for the blame of Comifornia. This state is deep, deep, DEEP blue and MarxistWood is the capital of WOKE cult around here. This is a lot of years of Democrats and gotten much worse, since the really far leftists have been running the place. I had hopes that we could squeeze Larry Elder in here, but I underestimated the amount of stupid in which I am surrounded here. Eventually, these states will figure it out, but not likely before complete societal collapse, which I expect by 2030.
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@sadpotatohours4846 ... While it is true that science is never settled, "climate catastrophe" is used as a cudgel, because the activists use fear and claim it to be science. There is nothing wrong with saying the reduction of fossil fuels would be beneficial for living things in many ways, but tell that to China, India and 3rd world nations. The Western World has the cleanest air acts of nearly all other nations, yet we are all exposed to the issues created by fossil fuels. The fundamental problem with reducing use of fossil fuels, is how do we replace it?
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Solar and wind, require an absolutely MASSIVE amount of storage batteries and physical land space. Wind blades harm flying wildlife and we humans don't want to see them covering the earth. Same goes with solar panels, as the square miles necessary to supply large cities would necessarily mean the state take privately owned property and cover it with panels. Then... what do we do when it is NOT windy and for some 12+ hours a day? We have to store enough power that EXCEEDS that which we used during the day, to run our lives in the dark.
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Hydro, requires we build water wheels and such on water falls and other places, in which we humans want to see nature in all its glory. We conceivably have 24/7 supply, but how many rivers and waterfalls are we willing to ruin its beauty? Nuclear is unquestionably the most efficient, cleanest form of power and would EASILY eliminate fossil fuels, but exactly how willing are we to live within 100 miles of a nuclear power plant? The activists demand we use EV's, but exactly how is the electricity created to charge that EV? 🤔
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What about the incredibly toxic chemicals necessary to build the batteries to store the power in EV's. You know, the nickle and such? Well, we only have so much of it and then we need to dig up mother earth to mine for more! Now we must tear up habitats to extract those materials.
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I could go on and on and on, but you get the point. Well, at least until we address the pesky China, India and 3rd world nations that refuse or incapable of the resources to create infrastructure to find alternatives to fossil fuels.
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Lastly... Biden admin and Dem's think if we just destroy the fossil fuel industry, we will MAGICALLY just poof... avoid ALL of the requirements of the alternatives I mentioned above (whole bunch I have not mentioned). Capitalism is a beautiful thing and if there was an alternative that solved the demand of power issues, we would have it by now. Oh, nuclear does that, but is off the table.
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@sadpotatohours ... I fully understand what it is like to have your comment vanish, due to any number of things and sometimes the fault of YouTube.. it sucks.
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You disagree with my points, but they are PROVABLE FACT! They are not my opinion, they are objectively true. Your response is to tell me that I need to listen to someone who is "not against the science". Well, the "acceptable" science told us for 2 years that we need not consider natural immunity to Covid and need to get a shot. Remember how Biden admin was telling states that they need to enforce his UN-Constitutional mandates, but not "really" telling them, when he was saying they may not get the funding they need? Science has told us for hundreds of years that natural immunity is better than ANY vaxx, yet... it was not good enough for leftist media or Biden. Why were CNN, MSNBC and the rest not recognizing that fact and calling Fauci out on it?
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I figure you are referring to my comment earlier about fossil fuels. I ask that you read it again and tell me WHERE I WAS FACTUALLY INCORRECT? Don't tell me I need to look into renewable energy, as if I am against it in some way. I have given you precisely the reasons why we continue to use fossil fuels, regardless of how much we may dislike them. I am 100% fine with alternate energy sources, but have given you exactly why we cannot replace fossil fuels with solar, wind or hydro and not completely destroy our way of life. I am not anti-clean air or green energy, what we have simply will not do the job.
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Nuclear energy would solve this issue, but there are certainly some VERY legit reasons why we, as a nation, are not comfortable with such power plants. I ask again... TELL me where I am wrong? Don't say I need to be educated or not following the science, please tell me how we can utilize solar, wind, hydro or ANY other resource for providing the power the word needs and not run into the issues I have spelled out above.
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I would love to see an answer and would be happy to admit I was wrong, but I have listened to a lot of people on ALL sides of this issue. I was in a family plumbing business and did solar for homes many years ago to heat water and was great. The problem came when the system got old and needed to be replaced. The tax incentives were gone, because the money it took to build those systems, cost more than the energy we already had. In order to go green in ANY substantial way, the entire world would have to be on board and... we would need to do absolutely MASSIVE amount of fundamental restructuring of how we consume energy.
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Don't tell me I am wrong...show me WHERE I am wrong, Peace, sadpotatohours 🐱
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@sadpotatohours4846 ...
1. YES... you and I agree. I think in our haste to present our case, we had BOTH failed to be more clear on our respective positions. I failed to make it clear that green is fine, but I am biased toward the AOC's and the more extreme Greta's of the world telling us we are going to die in 10 years. I am 58.... may have already mentioned it in this thread, but been told my entire life that the climate is in crisis and the goal posts keep moving. That is NOT to say that there is no problems to address, but rather the extremists, on either side of an issue, are the ones who get the attention. First, it was 2000. Then, it was going to be 2012. Not 4 years ago, AOC said 12 more years (making it 2028). Two years ago, Barack Obama purchased waterfront mansion in Martha's Vinyard, I think it was. He is a big supporter of the Green New Deal, but what of the flooding that is WILL happen to his ocean front property? How are we to believe that Obama really believes what AOC and Greta are saying, when he buys a home that will destroyed in the next 5~7 years?
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2. Yes... there are some on the right who are 100% as fanatical as the AOC's and Greta's and this is where I see that YOU are succumbing to bias.. I mean no offense here 🐱If you and I allow THOSE extremes to dictate what we see as a uniform position by the opposing view, we will get nowhere. This is what happens when ideology takes over the discussion and is why our society is completely F'd right now. I have done my best NOT to paint you as an extremist, though I have voiced frustration as you have with me. I am not an extremist, nor am I an ideologue. I am a conservative, but I have no allegiances that dictate what or whom I support. I am as pro 1a and 2a as anyone you will ever meet, but to the ideologue, that is interpreted as being fine calling people the N-word on social media and have no issues with a kid going into a school with an AR. I am NOT saying you feel this way, but that is how I have been portrayed COUNTLESS times, on threads like this, so I am not always able to contain my biases.
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3. I will say that I resent your telling me I have been somehow controlled or driven to fear by the right or anyone else. I am my own man and I have done a TON of research across all positions of issues and come to a conclusion, based on my assessment of that information. Just because I happen to say the some of the same things some extremist might say, does NOT mean that I am in lockstep with EVERYTHING that extremist may say. Just because you keep hearing the same "talking points" does not mean that the totality of those with an opposing opinion are a monolith of the most extreme voice within that group.
4. Don't FUCKING GIVE ME your condescending fucking bullshit about how you don't blame me for thinking as I do, because I am to god damned fucking stupid to form my own fucking opinion! There is a PURE distinction between the "left" and the "leftist". The left is a Democrat and this world NEEDS democratic voices, just as it needs conservative ones. The "Leftists" is an ideologue (an extremist) driven to tell us that the earth is going to begin flooding in the next 12 years, but has been saying that for the last 60!
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5. I have not straw manned you. I said that Biden ended the pipeline, cancelled leases that were 25% of America's energy source and told big oil that he is going to put them out of business. Well, unless he has a very well thought out plan already in motion that we have all agreed is the direction to go, than THAT is an extreme position. America is no longer energy independent, so that makes us far weaker, to invest in other sources, because we now support other people in other countries to send us energy.
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You telling me how I feel and why I feel it, based on my demand we not eliminate our energy source, before we find a replacement... is to straw man me. That is to take the LEAST generous interpretation of words and using them as a cudgel to claim I am to ignorant or weak to make my own decisions. Don't use your fucking condescending bullshit with me again
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@artificial-frequencies ... Absofreakinlutely! :) "A lie travels half way around the world, before the truth has time to put its pants on" is a line I have heard many times. People have become so accustomed to the "high" of emotional reaction, it is like a drug. How many times have we heard..."white cop shoots unarmed black man", only to find out 2 days later that the FULL video gives a VASTLY different story of events? Look at Jacob Blake for a perfect example! This guy was a complete human un-being PoS in every way imaginable, yet he was regarded as a victim of "racist cops". By the time we see the FULL video, the damage has already been done, remember Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha? Even after seeing his actions, people have so conditioned themselves to be outraged, they STILL cannot see anything but a black man, who was selling Boy Scout cookies, walking little old ladies across the street and an upstanding pillar of society gunned down by a "white supremacist, racist cop who was hunting black people".
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When we have a society that WANTS to be outraged... I don't know what we can do, other than wait for this psychosis to pass :*(
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Alessandro LinuxBSD ... Yes, maybe I was not clear :( I think that there is SO much available information, we end up thinking we will miss something, if we don't pay attention. As a result, we end up "ingesting" a TON of info, but never actually "digest" it.. or at least most it! Jordan has spoken of hierarchy as a necessary tool humans use to make their way through the world. However, when it comes to social media, it becomes exceedingly easy to put ones focus on what SOMEONE ELSE has got them fired up. We get caught up in the outrage, because emotion goes from zero to infinite in 2.5 nano's and think to ourselves... "Oh, my friend would "like" this video clip, so it gets forwarded onward. Humans have always wanted validation in one way or another, but what validates us in the age of social media, is the insanely shallow "like" button. This is why virtue signaling is so insane from the leftist. The blinders of the ideology are so fixed, that even when one DOES see the entire Jacob Black video, the only thing they actually SEE.... "white cop murders unarmed black man".
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As I mentioned earlier, many, many years from now, social media as we have it today, will be the topic of immense study by the philosophers and writers of that day!
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@thegamer97HS ... Dude... WTF? Precisely NOBODY has been silent about what has been happening in Israel since it was carved out in there after WWII. And drop all the "right-wingers" crap, because it is the "left-wingers" who were instantly on team Ukraine from the jump. People are saying "Hamas bad", because they DELIBERATELY seek to kill not only civilians, but women and BEHEAD babies! Do you NOT think that is bad?
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Stop with the "other side wants... blah, blah blah". How about we talk about TODAY... right now? We can argue all day long about who started what and go tit for tat back and forth, but exactly what does that accomplish....? nothing! The problem we have today, is that Hamas and the terrorist factions of Islam have dedicated their entire existence to the elimination of the Jewish people... period. If Israel packed up and left the region tomorrow, they would be hunted and slaughtered on way out of town. If they moved the state of Israel to a tiny island in the other side of the world, they would have Hamas and others dropping bombs from planes, shooting missiles and beaching boats on the shore to kill the Jews.
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For the record, carving out that space for the SOLE purpose of the Jewish people was a CATASTROPHIC error, IMO. I am not Jewish and I am as far from a scholar on the middle East as anyone, but Jerusalem is the spiritual ground zero of several peoples. However, since what is done is done... how does Israel move forward? 100% of every Arab leader who legit sough TRUE peace with Israel, was assassinated.
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Yes... Israel IS killing Palestinians in retaliation for the attack. Wanna know WHO is responsible for that... ? Hamas! They are the government of Palestine and placed the artillery that was launched in to Israel WITHIN the civilian areas. So, please tell us EXACTLY what is Israel to do? Just sit back and allow endless attacks and NOT retaliate, because Hamas creates human shields of the people they govern? Hamas is 100% responsible for what is happening in Palestine now. If Hamas went after political leaders and not SPECIFICALLY civilians, they would have a HELL of a lot less condemnation today. I would likes somebody... ANYBODY on this earth, to tell the rest of us exactly how murdering babies, graping women in the street and going door to door for hours killing as many Israeli citizens as possible, is going to NOT get nearly universal condemnation?
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There is a MASSIVE number of people who recognize the Palestinians have gotten the sheet end of the stick, but ALSO recognize that every time Israel holds out and olive branch to make peace, terrorists use it as a way to attack Israel.
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Tell us all... HOW in the hell does this EVER come to an end?
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PS> Did Hamas give prior warning of a coming attack, so that civilians could get out of harms way? NO! They specifically WANT civilians to die, because that is how terrorism works. We can call Israel all kinds of bad, by demanding 1M people leave their homes, prior to bombing... but they DID get warning and some chance to leave. Hamas is 100% to blame for this response and Israel is being as measured as anyone could be, under the circumstance.
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Those who stood their ground, along with those who supported the Canadian Truckers are nearly Gods, in my estimation. They were the most civil, respectful, kind, courteous and wonderful "occupiers" the world has EVER Seen and did not deserve what that fascist Turd-eau did to them. Hiding out for, what.... 3 weeks? only to go WAY, WAY, WAY beyond and reasonable measure to punish not only those protesters, but hunt down ANYONE who was guilty of going against the will of the state, via "wrong think" or financial support. Turd-eau is FAR worse than Biden and that was a very difficult thing for me to admit to myself.
EDIT: Oh my F'ing GOD, sorry Jordan :( ... But seeing Turd-eau speak, makes my blood BOIL in rage! This guy is a truly despicable, disgusting, vile garbage un-human and too many of our fine Canadian friends support him!
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@timothycai6534 ... While I agree with you in principle... I will shift topics a bit to say there are things one can do to forfeit that life, in my opinion. Many who are pro-choice will take issue with those who are pro-life over capital punishment and seek to cry hypocrisy. There are certainly many who are pro-life, as well as against capital punishment, however... I am not one of them. I believe in due process and, in the cases of death penalty, guilt be proven well beyond a shadow of a doubt. Prison sentences create problems of their own as they should absolutely be about punishment. But, f we just put someone in there and "poke them with a stick" for years /decades, how are they likely to be released one day and fit into a "normal" society? This will ALWAYS be a problem, so long as we have the current system in play, but I will NOT pretend to have an answer for all those that would challenge me on rehabilitation. Of course, I would absolutely agree that without rehabilitation and just using that stick for years is always going to leave a large percentage of parolees VERY bitter, so much more likely to commit crimes again once released.
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Wish I had a great answer for the issue of federal / state prisoners being released as worse than they went in, but the only way to reduce that number is spend a HELL of a lot more money and resources into rehabilitation. We all though abortion can be a divisive issue, capital punishment can be equally contentious :(
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@DrMackSplackem ... It is trouble for all of us! America was founded upon the idea of discourse and debate, to resolve disagreement. There have been 2 fundamental changes that have taken root of society and they are coming from the political left, but instigated by the Marxist cult. The first is a wholesale abandoning of even the most basic values that act as a glue to hold a society together. The second is the steadfast refusal to engage in good faith discussion / debate to resolve our differences.
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There are many examples, but one that is at the heart of a split in the Democrats and GOP is the issue of abortion. There has always been a rift on this issue, but the common "value" we all shared, was "safe, legal and rare". There were some, even many, on the farther right, who have and always will be pro-life in nearly if not all circumstances. Those people have always voiced that opinion, but it has and is still shared by a number of states. While they have always voiced this position, from a federal position, the "safe, legal and rare" model was doable, though far from what they wanted. Now, we have the far left (MarxistCrats) who have quite literally taken over the Democratic party, over the last 8 years or so. These are the counter to those on the far right, who have also abandoned "safe, legal and rare" to adopt... "on demand". While there are certainly fewer numbers of the on-demand supporters than pro-life absolutists, it seems to come from a position of spite for most.
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This leads us to the steadfast refusal to engage issue. Why it is the Democratic party has chosen "trans" to be the hill they ABSOLUTELY want to die on, is beyond comprehension. Back in the '80's, I saw this movement and was for gay rights. The LGB's did not want ANY special rights, just basic ones afforded to us all. They wanted legal rights, as a long-term man / woman would have, in the event of hospital visits / decisions and insurance, but the second was marriage. I understand that the term "marriage" is CRITICAL for most on both sides, but since the term "marriage" is well defined in the Bible, there are those on the moderate right who will always oppose that term, being applied to same-sex couples. Again, I understand why the term "marriage" is so attractive / appealing, but imagine how much smoother this would have all gone if some other word was willing to be used. The term "marriage" is so connected to the Bible and those on the right, this will NEVER be a compromise that the GOP will embrace.
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I don't want to to any farther off the path, but you get the point. Hotez will NOT discuss / debate his ideas, because he considers his opinion to be morally superior, so to even debate them is to be beneath him! I do get the "debate" aspect of it, as Mehdi Hassan is excellent at debate, but only because he uses an approach that is in EXTREMELY bad faith. He wrote a book titled "How To Win Every Argument". Imagine the self-righteousness of one to think that he / she has the right opinion 100% of the time? Imagine the arrogance of holding an opinion that CANNOT be influenced by any argument or introduction of facts, logic or information.
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THAT is the definition of the MarxistCrat and why this is trouble for us all! Those who feel such a way have COMPLETELY taken over the Democratic party and are completely consumed by the idea that the are 100% firmly and totally on "the right side of history". We have seen it countless times when senators are posing questions that expose the extreme cognitive dissonance of leftists and like a broken record, they simply repeat the dogma.
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A national divorce will NEVER work, because any agreement that would stand the test of time, requires "good faith". The MarxistCrat who WILL drive the Democrats decisions to the extreme left will not have equal numbers on the extreme right, so compromise would be impossible. The marxistCrat will NOT compromise on anything, so it is simply not possible to negotiate in good faith.
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..... welcome to Hotez who hides behind people like Hassan to protect him from defending his ideas.
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@kx250fforlife ... They will! Every time the WOKE mob makes idiotic demands, while they STILL bow in writing, as this place did, the have to find a way out.
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Imagine, these little bitches telling those who put their blood, sweat and tears, along with a MASSIVE economic investment, to just "give" the business over to them. What is more laughable is to say they had an "agreement" to address demands of the WOKE.
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Sadly, this only hurts the economy more, but the cult is a VERY insane thing and it needs to implode, to make it go away.
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@paradisecityX0 ... DeSantis is by LIGHT-YEARS the greatest governor in America without any question at all.That said, the fed is so COMPLETELY F'd up right now, if we are to make any headway in to blowing it up, Trump has zero to lose, because he has no political aspirations afterword. While DeSantis would be light-years better at negotiating with Dem's, they have made it quite clear, that ANYONE on the GOP side of the isle will be Hitler 2.0.
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I just don't see them working with DeSantis, any better than anyone else on the GOP ticket, so I think he is best off to remain in FL and be the inspiration of other states that are red. The one MASSIVE advantage of not giving an F, as well as the monumental pride boost, should he make POTUS after all they have done to him, would make him an unstoppable force.
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Trump has MANY flaws and what he needs more than anything else, is a right-hand man, who he LISTENS to and turns to that person about 250 times a day and before he lets his thumbs do the talking. If he were to TOTALLY clean house and go with a new admin, as was a catastrophic failure last time, he has the opportunity to blow up that place, but he NEEDS the houses and SCOTUS to get it done.
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Unless he finds that right-hand man and LISTENS to him, there is a slim chance he can make enough changes to shut down the MarxistCrats pure EVIL. In the end, so long as so much of society is hell bent on raising the West to the ground, in the end... all Trump could possibly do, is lay some ground work and conservatives need to STOP COMPLYING and make the cult EXTREMELY unwelcome.
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@jpjp3873 .. Would seem so. As mentioned above, had he made a press statement, outing A-B seeking a BL sponsorship, but opted to re-up existing sponsor for LESS money, would have MADE him more for standing strong. As it stands now, the hardcore will watch UFC, but most will still not buy the product and A-B will have spent a lot of money, for very small gain in sales.
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Even today, A-B could come out and make a SINCERE owning of their error, show contrition for disrespecting what was a VERY loyal customer base and they many would forgive. Of course, they would ALSO have to stop with sponsoring "child friendly" drag shows, so is not a difficult thing to do.
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Of course, turning your back on the outrage mob that is the trans activist cult, can prove to be treacherous, but ONLY for a short time. A-B is just not willing to own this horrible mistake and they continue to pay for it.
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@RainForestLeDoux ... I am aware. I do not wish to see A-B be destroyed, I only want the brand "BL" to suffer the consequences of the actions.
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At this point, it is all mute, because A-B has taken a MASSIVE hit, over all this... and they are just moving past it. There are many who will never buy BL again and some who will never by A-B products again... so be it. At this point, I think the brand BL has taken as large a hit as it is going to and those who have not turned away from it never will.
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For the foreseeable future, BL will forever be tainted by a very bad marketing campaign, but that is all it was.... a bad campaign by what we now know, was a lady who was a narcissistic moroon.
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Eventually, nobody will care any more and it that move will be seen as the "New Coke" of this generation. I remember the "New Coke" debacle and while it was EXTREMELY damaging to the brand at the time, we have all moved on.
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@cheezedoodlenygguh6229 ... It is funny to have this conversation with a "whamen that don't need no man". If women literally vanished from earth over night, society last less than 100 years (ignoring any and all other factors that WOULD have an impact). However, theoretically, if MEN were to vanish, society could probably last for many thousands. There would be "harvesting" of sperm and freeze them, so women could STILL populate for a long, long time. Of course, when the toilet stops working, the car stops running or the roof needs to be replaced.... there is NO WAY in hell society would continue that long. There ARE female roofers, plumber and such, but not NEARLY enough and there are just not enough women to fill all of those rolls.
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@anon_laughing_man … Black Lives Matter is a terrorist organization that exissts to enrich those who manage it and recieves funding primarily due to white people who feel guilty about slavery.
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BLM is is a corrupted organization, that does not give a rats arse about black people or improving their lives in even the most microscopic of levels. I have not seen one dollar spent on the improvement of “black lives” in any way. If there was such a desire, BLM’s Patrice Cullors would have spent that $90M from 2020, on projects to help inner city youth with education programs, send in successful black business owners and entrepreneurs into those inner cities and discuss why father absence has DEVASTATED the black family and began precisely after Welfare was introduced.
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No, Cullors spent tens of millions on private residences and throwing expensive parties to live like every good little Marxist does…. off the backs of the people it proports to help.
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In short, I could not care less who came up with “White Lives Matter", only that it pisses off the WOKE cult and holds a mirror up to their hypocrisy. The entire BLM movement has done absolutely ZERO to help black people in any way, but has only served to further press the idea that blacks in America are oppressed in every way the white man can possibly manage it and that they are ever victimized by white supremacy and, my favorite line of BS… “systemic racism”.
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I am happy to see that more and more blacks are waking up to the destruction of the message amplified by BLM. That people like Candace Owens and Kanye West are telling where BLM supporters can shove it 😺
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Anything else I can help you with today, anon?
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@billybatson7852 ... Clearly there is a market for WOKE, but it is WAY, WAY smaller than these CEO's believe it is. The problem becomes when these companies saturate they ideology, as Disney has, OR invest money / resources / backing for something like Cuties, as N*****x did.
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I would say that most people would not even make a big fuss over positive LGBTQ programming, if it were to just stick with portraying a positive message and / or light. The issue comes when there is promotion of such values toward children, by creating an ever increasing representation of it in their programming, such as Disney freely admits to doing.
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Look, we continuously hear the Democrats and particularly Regressives and the WOKE crowd, claiming there must not only be "tolerance", but acceptance and respect for LGBTQ. Tolerance is a two-way street and the trans-activist is EXCEEDINGLY aggressive in forcing their pro-LGBTQ agenda down everyone's throats. It has SERIOUSLY crossed a line in the sand, when we see a bunch of public educators releasing video of them directly defying parents wishes and promoting ANY human sexuality in K~3rd.
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Secondly is the demand for respect and I have news for anyone who is reading this, not only is respect earned, but there are some who are just not going to be on board with LGBTQ regardless of circumstance. Those mentioned above are just going to have to be "tolerant" of them, because some oft them will NEVER be moved on this issue... period.
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I am 57 and live 30 miles from San Francisco. So I saw the rise of AIDS and press for many gay rights, as the news was so local, that it got lots of coverage. While gay people rightfully wanted to reduce discrimination, be legally recognized as partners for insurance coverage and things like hospital family visitation and gay marriage, being chief among them. That was a long road, but while there were many activists, they were nowhere NEAR as aggressive as the LGBTQ activists today.
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By "aggressive", I am referring to what happens when the Twitter Outrage Mob decides that a person is a trans-phobe or wont respect their demand for proper pronouns and seeks to, and is often successful, in removing them from social media / employment. Just look at the children in legal trouble the other day for not using "They / Them" to address a girl in their school. This is pure insanity and is turning WAY more people against the trans-activists cause than they will ever gain.
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EDIT: When the gay community was pressing for gay marriage and such, there WERE those who said that one day, they would come for the children. While this was NOT the case back in the 80's, it opened the door for the trans-activist today and they FREELY ADMIT, they are coming for the children. One must consider ALL of this, if to understand why so many are opposed to the LGBTQ forcing its message / ideology / lifestyle choice at every turn.
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@aratosm ... Agreed. I was MOD for a time on Unsafe Space, here on YT. Aside from regular censorship I would get almost daily, it was VERY bad, once I was associated with that channel. I had to get exceedingly creative in order to post show notes and LINKS that I would do after every live stream.
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I g-ot to p-ut-ting "da-shes" with-in wor-ds to h-ide the-m fr-om tri-g-gering t-he al-gori-thm. There is no question at all, the majority of big tech, Biden admin and Democratic party are just fine with c-en-so-rsh-ip, so long as it is ONLY in a single direction. We need only look at the response to Elon Twitter deal to see EXACTLY how delusional they are, when it comes to who they want to "control" the town square.
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Yes. The down vote was a direct response to the ever increasing ratio that leftists are / were getting, but just as with all injustices we see those in power want to protect, it will not last.
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Tyranny will not stand! Peace, aratosm :)
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@drunkenskeptic6633 ... This is all true, though society would punish us dearly for openly saying such things. To be fair, criminals come in all races, but the fatherless black homes are over 70%! The leftist cult will claim that racism drove the fathers away, but anyone with 1/2 a brain, knows that simply is not true. As Seantiago always says..."it is not poverty that drives crime, it is crime that drives poverty". When crime is high, no reasonable person will invest in a property or store, because a) there is no money to do so and b) because people don't want to shop where crime is more likely to occur. Make the streets safer and the store owners will hire employees to serve customers and customers will shop there, then stores are willing to invest in their property.
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This is the simplest math ever, but as you said... the power of victim hood is FAR too strong for many and pushed EXTREMELY hard by the Democratic party.
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@talesofgore9424 .. There is no question, we cannot live in the same space as the truly indoctrinated. While that number is EXTREMELY few, in actual population numbers, they are, as you know, exceedingly aggressive and it is THEY who would hold the seat at what some would say "A national divorce".
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I don't know if that is what you are thinking, but if you are, we both know they would NEVER honor any agreement, because they would NEVER bargain in good faith or with honor. They absolutely WILL come after us for any negotiated resources, as if there were not 260M things of which we could never possibly agree anyway.
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The only fortunate thing is that a MASSIVE number of the cult are merely sheep. They have no balls and ONLY talk tough, because they want to stay in the good graces of those who will make their life hell on social media and socially in general.
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It is my contention that the trans activist cult has already been encroaching on the line that the normies are saying 'no more". We see it with BL, now Target and while I think they will still bend a bit, we are seeing a grass roots stand up against this. We see people paying upwards of $2.5M+ for defense of subway hero and the rhetoric of prosecuting that guy has quieted down.
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I don't know if we can save the west, but there will be a "crossing of that line" at some point and it will be go time for a massive crowd somewhere.
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