Comments by "" (@psychcowboy1) on "Alliance for Responsible Citizenship"
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@illbeyourmonster5752 What you should understand is that Sacrifice makes a difference, the hierarchy of identity, the lower to the higher, proximal hedonic whims, the payback is good, to escape from primordial narcissism, some things go wrong with children, having children can be rewarding, there is no technical difference between thinking about yourself and being miserable, serve a higher purpose, technically, think about a fork and a table and a plate as a microcosm of the universe, that is all real, we forgot responsibility.
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7:00 'There is a cost to pay for being alive, the cost is the suffering, if the suffering has no purpose you will get bitter, its not good to make things worse, you should ask what do I want so I won't be bitter, negotiate a contract that you like, rub the genie and get a great relationship, manifest it to be motivated, try and be a person you would admire, you are technically motivated, then I would be pleased and in harmony, that would be a good existence...'
So apparently it is not good when you make things worse, and good when you make things better. Holy crap this guy is a total genius. You should also try to get what you want. Amazing.
10:30 'Ask and you will receive is practical advice, an unexplored storehouse of potential treasure, if you make the sacrifice to your goal you can attain it, sometimes you modify your decision, a shining city on the hill, stumble and improve, if you are all in, the worst thing will happen definitely, that is a risk, to manifest in the world...live a life worthwhile, that is the purpose of this conference...'
[So apparently setting goals and strive for them is the message of ARC. Wasn't that already covered in a Berenstein Bear episode? So if everyone just does good stuff we don't need rules or a government? I suppose that is true. Is JP suggesting that is within the realm of possibility?]
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@stuartannetts300 Gobbledy gook? Are you in the third grade? JP is a fake intellectual, I am a real intellectual since I realize that Identity is the proper union of faith and responsibility. It does that in a hierarchical subsidiary manner, if you have conflict, you need a counter position, that is subsidiary structure. Jacob's ladder, the vine that unites the material and proximal realm of the earth with the eternal realm of heaven, how do we climb it, there is a vision of how we build ourselves, a glorious macro-vision; it is the proximal beginnings, we scaffold ourselves upward from the finite to the infinite, the scaffold constitutes our identity...also that you think so that your stupid thoughts can die instead of you. At the upper end of a hierarchy, you find people who know a lot, if you are stupid, smart people won't listen to you, so you can inform yourself with tools and you won't be an embarrassment, the careless self-evident axiom of human social interaction is that if I can force you to do something then I have the right to do it.
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@illbeyourmonster5752 I know facts are scary for you, but here is another lesson;
JP at 20:30 Helen: 'A female dominated office leaves men feeling left out. JP: How do we get to something that isn't a tyrannical patriarchy, if it is composed of mostly women and its a tyrannical patriarchy and if it is composed of mostly men it is a tyrannical patriarchy we are out of options....
[Jordan pulls a Cathy Newman, SO YOU ARE SAYING if is composed mostly of women it is a tyrannical patriarchy? No Jordan she didn't say anything like that.
Helen said absolutely nothing about women dominated is a tyrannical patriarchy, she corrected your vocabulary problem, dominated by women is a matriarchy dude. Neither did she say we have a tyrannical patriarchy. She said the patriarchy was overthrown by the women's movement and women now have almost equal rights with men.]
JP at 8:00: Helen; women were barred from professions until 1919. JP: Why would you blame men for that?
[Jordan really, why would you blame men for barring women from professions? Score for Helen.]
Around 44:00 Helen referring to equality of outcome: 'I don't think that is a widely held view.'
JP Interrupting as usual: 20% of social scientists identify as Marxist. Look it up in Haidt's work, I studied it quite carefully, it is a perfectly valid statistical.
[Heads up JP, in the survey you are referring to, 3% of college professors identify as Marxist, and you claim that universities are dominated by leftist ideology, thus 3% of a very Left leaning sample identify as Marxist... and you are disagreeing with Helen? Whoops. The study Prevalence of Marxism in Academia states that Marxism is 'A tiny minority faith', ie Peterson cited a study to prove Helen wrong, when it actually proved her right. SCORE: Helen 3, Jordan 0]
--Peterson at 19:00: 'That's for sure it's purely not, when you define it as tyrannical patriarchy implies one-dimensional...'
[Whoops Jordan, remember in the dave rubin john anderson interview when you said the West is an oppressive patriarchy but not purely that? Contradiction alert']
'We take a patriarchal structure like the medical profession and we fill it with women, is it that it is mostly men that makes it a patriarchy, if it is a structure that is composed of women then it is also a tyrannical patriarchy, if it is composed of women and it is a tyrannical patriarchy...
[She just corrected you that composed or dominated primarily of women is a matriarchy. So after denying that we have a patriarchy numerous times in this interview you are now admitting that the medical field is a patriarchy? Score for Helen.)
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@illbeyourmonster5752 JP is a fake intellectual, I am a real intellectual since I realize that Identity is the proper union of faith and responsibility. It does that in a hierarchical subsidiary manner, if you have conflict, you need a counter position, that is subsidiary structure. Jacob's ladder, the vine that unites the material and proximal realm of the earth with the eternal realm of heaven, how do we climb it, there is a vision of how we build ourselves, a glorious macro-vision; it is the proximal beginnings, we scaffold ourselves upward from the finite to the infinite, the scaffold constitutes our identity...also that you think so that your stupid thoughts can die instead of you. At the upper end of a hierarchy, you find people who know a lot.
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@illbeyourmonster5752 Agreed, neither of us can find a coherent, useful, profound idea by JP. JP is a fake intellectual, I am a real intellectual since I realize that we do not understand pre-experimental thinking, so we try to explain it in terms that we do understand – which means that we explain it away, define it as nonsense. After all, we think scientifically – so we believe – and we think we know what that means (since scientific thinking can in principle be defined). We are familiar with scientific thinking, and value it highly – so we tend to presume that that is all there is to thinking (that all other “forms of thought” are approximations, at best, to the ideal of scientific thought).
But this is not accurate. Thinking also and more fundamentally is specification of value – is specification of implication for behavior. This means that categorization, with regards to value –determination (or even perception) of what constitutes a single thing, or class of things – is the act of grouping together according to implication for behavior. Do you agree?
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@illbeyourmonster5752 Jordan's 13th Rule; We don't understand consciousness, we don't know where it fits in the cosmos.
[Jordan, how about not projecting your personal confusion about consciousness on to everyone else?]
Jordan's 14th Rule; How do you arrange books? Using the axiomatic structure of your a priori perceptions manifesting as self evident fact to your ignorant mind.
Jordan's 15 Rule; The best way for me to interact is individual to individual and as if they are part of the process by which things we don't understand can yet be explored and by things that aren't properly organized in our society can yet be set right.
Jordan's 16th Rule; Free speech also is the mechanism by which we generate the conceptions that allow us to organize our experience in the world, it is the mechanism that allows us to reformulate and criticize those conceptions when they become outdated and sterile, to reanimate them in a new form so we can move into the future.
Jordan's 17th Rule; There is no evidence that women can create social organizations.
Jordan's 18th Rule, Hard core clinical psychology research has determined that perception influences behavior.
[Yes Jordan, when I perceive I am thirsty my behavior is to go to the fridge for a drink.]
Jordan's 19th Rule; There is something to us. [Uh sure Jordan, a bit pointless and ambiguous however.]
Jordan's 20th Rule; I realized psychologically that the future is in a sense actually unpredictable.
[You needed psychology to figure that out Jordan? I figured it out without psychology.]
Jordan's 21 Rule: It is hard to get in to Harvard and it takes good SAT scores. [Yes Jordan, everyone already knows that.]
Jordan's 22 Rule: The world is not objects, it is the harmonious interplay of patterns, you dance with the world, you don't want a person who will dominate you sexually during the initial dance .
Jordan's 23 Rule: If you have a functional identity, when you act it out in the world you get what you want and need.
[I am pretty sure I have a function, and an identity, and I act out in the world, but merely wanting something is no promise that I will get it. Sorry Jordan If/Then logic failure on your part.]
Jordan's 24 Rule: I highly recommend that you try and put yourself together.
[Wow, I am totally going to do that now that you told me.]
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@Shei-vei You should also realize if you think about it that identity is the proper union of faith and responsibility. It does that in a hierarchical subsidiary manner, if you have conflict, you need a counter position, that is subsidiary structure. Jacob's ladder the vine that unites the material and proximal realm of the earth with the eternal realm of heaven, how do we climb it, there is a vision of how we build ourselves, a glorious macro-vision; it is the proximal beginnings, we scaffold ourselves upward from the finite to the infinite, the scaffold constitutes our identity.
I have shared this with JP, but he just doesn't get it, since he is not at my level.
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'Hope is movement towards a valuable goal, you need a goal that unites you internally, you have less anxiety when you have a vision, there is a cost of suffering in your life, if that suffering is without purpose, then you will be bitter, what do I want to not be bitter, or to be thrilled, being thrilled is good, imagine the relationship that you want, admit what you don't have now, be a person that you would admire, technically now you are motivated, to fulfill and act that existence is good, if you ask you will receive is good advice, if you make the sacrifice then you will attain, but you may have to modify your vision...
[Wow impressive. It's good to have good goals?]
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@doubletapthatdotty4597 JP is a fake intellectual, I am a real intellectual since I realize that we do not understand pre-experimental thinking, so we try to explain it in terms that we do understand – which means that we explain it away, define it as nonsense. After all, we think scientifically – so we believe – and we think we know what that means (since scientific thinking can in principle be defined). We are familiar with scientific thinking, and value it highly – so we tend to presume that that is all there is to thinking (that all other “forms of thought” are approximations, at best, to the ideal of scientific thought).
But this is not accurate. Thinking also and more fundamentally is specification of value – is specification of implication for behavior. This means that categorization, with regards to value –determination (or even perception) of what constitutes a single thing, or class of things – is the act of grouping together according to implication for behavior. Do you agree?
JP at 20:30 Helen: 'A female dominated office leaves men feeling left out. JP: How do we get to something that isn't a tyrannical patriarchy, if it is composed of mostly women and its a tyrannical patriarchy and if it is composed of mostly men it is a tyrannical patriarchy we are out of options....
[Holy crap Jordan you have some serious voices going on in your head. Helen said absolutely nothing about women dominated is a tyrannical patriarchy, she corrected your vocabulary problem, dominated by women is a matriarchy dude. Neither did she say we have a tyrannical patriarchy. She said the patriarchy was overthrown by the women's movement and women now have almost equal rights with menNote Jordan also pulls a Cathy Newman...SO YOU ARE SAYING if it is dominated by women it is a tyrannical patriarchy? No Jordan, she didn't say anything like that.]
JP at 8:00: Helen; women were barred from professions until 1919. JP: Why would you blame men for that?
[Jordan really, why would you blame men for barring women from professions?]
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