Comments by "" (@psychcowboy1) on "The Problem with Jordan Peterson" video.
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@cainemangakahia4842 If you disagree with my analysis on any of these, glad to hear it: 1. JP on Trump: "Trump is a strange person. He is impulsive, he is disagreeable. What I am hoping for is normative incompetence, stupidity, foolishness among politicians. Just exactly what we need is for Trump to be normally incompetent for the next 4 years. I am not too worried about the situation in the US."
[What is normal incompetence? Does this imply that the median intellect of the US is incompetent? I have to guess of course because JP language is routinely ambiguous. Intelligent people with strong communication skills use precise language. JP does not. JP wants and incompetent president? Why exactly?]
2. "I don’t think that the Caucasians should revert to being white. I think that is a bad idea. It is a dangerous idea, and it is coming fast … I think the whole group identity thing is seriously pathological … Where we’re making your group identity the most important thing about you. I think that is reprehensible. It is devastating. It is genocidal in its ultimate expression."
[Caucasians should not revert to white? WTF does that mean? In normal usage Caucasian and white are synonymous; thus saying Caucasians should not revert to white makes as much sense as saying butter should not revert to being something that is served with jam. Again, JP using ambiguous language, not a trait of intelligent people. Caucasians reverting to white is the ultimate expression of genocide? Really? Wouldn't killing lots of people be more genocidal than 'reverting to white', whatever that means?]
3. "The post modern ideology of the toxic Left characterizes the sociological landscape as an idiom of responsibility for protracting the hierarchy inequality and genocidal ideology of western civilization".
[I have no clue what this means myself. If you do please enlighten me.]
6. "The ignorant Left says you can place the responsibility for hierarchy and inequality at the feet of western civilization and capitalism...that is unbelievably wrong."
[ Apparently JP came to this realization after reading a paper on lobsters. Capitalism does not create inequality? We have a 500x income gap between rich and poor in the US, as result of capitalism and non regulation of greed. 500x isn't inequality, or capitalism didn't foster that inequity? I can't make a guess what JP is implying here, since as usual his language is ambiguous.]
8. "The world is in a messy state, whose fault is it, yours, its not some identifiable group."
[Almost all Republicans voted for the Iraq war, most Democrats voted against it. Certainly the Iraq war is a giant contributor to 'messy state'. How exactly is that my fault, and not the fault of the identifiable group that authorized it?]
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A core question here I think, is JP a charlatan followed by sheep who love to hear him talk but have no actual clue what he is saying. A visit to his YT page is enlightening: From JP YT channel: "I have been working on the belief that transcendent values genuinely exist; that they are in fact the most tangible realities of being. Such values have to be discovered, as much as invented, during the dance of the individual with society and nature. Then they have to be carefully integrated and united into something powerful and stable... However, now, for the first time in history, lectures can have, or even exceed, the reach and duration of books. Ideas presented in lecture format can be less daunting. They can be offered simultaneously to many people. They can be preserved for long periods of time."
[JP is a fan of 'I chose my language very carefully, to communicate in a precise manner'. Let's break down this language. Transcendent means extraordinary. So JP is telling us here that extraordinary or important values exist. I doubt any 6th graders don't already know that, but thank you JP. Most tangible realities of being? Does that mean they are important in someone's life? Thank you again JP for working on this phenomenal insight. They have to be discovered? Does this mean during the course of your life in the dance between society and nature you learn what is important to you? OK, but do you have a point here dude? Wait for it... Lectures can be given to many people at once. Wow, this is some serious intellectualism. Either that or it is a guy with ideas that never move beyond the mundane and obvious, who nonetheless can deliver them in over-indulgent vocabulary and with a sense of self-importance. One fan says I criticize JP fans because I would lose in an actual debate with him. I don't think so. Any time, any place, any issue. Just name it JP.]
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@pablowall Can you make sense of any of this: "That is what the people who think that the differences between people who are primarily culturally constructed, but that is not what the evidence suggests...I am not hearing what you think, I am hearing how you are able to represent the ideology that you have been taught, I can replace you with someone else, and that means you are not here. Its not pleasant. You are not integrating the specifics of your personal experience, to synthesize something that is engaging as a consequence, and that is the pathology of ideological possession, and its not good."
[I cannot make sense of most of this, outside of JP telling me when someone is removed they are no longer here, but call me crazy, I am not impressed at that insight.]
"People have within them the necessity to manifest in the world and doing so is where you find the meaning that sustains you?"
[Huh?]
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@Remy B I think he is making the argument that JP fans are sheep following a shepherd who they love to hear talk, but they have no idea what he is saying, e.g.: "That is what the people who think that the differences between people who are primarily culturally constructed, but that is not what the evidence suggests...I am not hearing what you think, I am hearing how you are able to represent the ideology that you have been taught, I can replace you with someone else, and that means you are not here. Its not pleasant. You are not integrating the specifics of your personal experience, to synthesize something that is engaging as a consequence, and that is the pathology of ideological possession, and its not good."
[I cannot make sense of most of this, outside of JP telling me when someone is removed they are no longer here, but call me crazy, I am not impressed at that insight.]
"People have within them the necessity to manifest in the world and doing so is where you find the meaning that sustains you?"
[Huh?]
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@Remy B I agree people interpret JP on their internal narrative that he is a brilliant genius, without bothering to actually analyze what he says, from JP YT channel:
"I have been working on the belief that transcendent values genuinely exist; that they are in fact the most tangible realities of being. Such values have to be discovered, as much as invented, during the dance of the individual with society and nature. Then they have to be carefully integrated and united into something powerful and stable... However, now, for the first time in history, lectures can have, or even exceed, the reach and duration of books. Ideas presented in lecture format can be less daunting. They can be offered simultaneously to many people. They can be preserved for long periods of time."
[JP is a fan of 'I chose my language very carefully, to communicate in a precise manner'. Let's break down this language. Transcendent means extraordinary. So JP is telling us here that extraordinary or important values exist? I doubt any 6th grader doesn't already know that, but thank you JP. Most tangible realities of being? Does that mean they are important in someone's life? Thank you again JP for working on your belief in this phenomenal insight. They have to be discovered? Does this mean during the course of your life in the dance between society and nature you learn what is important to you? OK, but do you have a point here dude? Wait for it... Lectures can be given to many people at once. Wow, this is some serious intellectualism. Either that or a guy whose ideas never move beyond the mundane and obvious, who nonetheless delivers them in over-indulgent vocabulary and grandiose self-importance. Here is my challenge to any JP fan. When you lift his robe a few inches you realize the whole phenomena is the emperor's new clothes.]
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@thomasbrown5267 If you disagree with my analysis in brackets on any of these, glad to hear it: 8. "The world is in a messy state, whose fault is it, yours, its not some identifiable group."
1. JP on Trump: "Trump is a strange person. He is impulsive, he is disagreeable. What I am hoping for is normative incompetence, stupidity, foolishness among politicians. Just exactly what we need is for Trump to be normally incompetent for the next 4 years. I am not too worried about the situation in the US."
[What is normal incompetence? Does this imply that the median intellect of the US is incompetent? I have to guess of course because JP language is routinely ambiguous. Intelligent people with strong communication skills use precise language. JP does not. JP wants and incompetent president? Why exactly?]
2. "I don’t think that the Caucasians should revert to being white. I think that is a bad idea. It is a dangerous idea, and it is coming fast … I think the whole group identity thing is seriously pathological … Where we’re making your group identity the most important thing about you. I think that is reprehensible. It is devastating. It is genocidal in its ultimate expression."
[Caucasians should not revert to white? WTF does that mean? In normal usage Caucasian and white are synonymous; thus saying Caucasians should not revert to white makes as much sense as saying butter should not revert to being something that is served with jam. Again, JP using ambiguous language, not a trait of intelligent people. Caucasians reverting to white is the ultimate expression of genocide? Really? Wouldn't killing lots of people be more genocidal than 'reverting to white', whatever that means?]
3. "The post modern ideology of the toxic Left characterizes the sociological landscape as an idiom of responsibility for protracting the hierarchy inequality and genocidal ideology of western civilization".
[I have no clue what this means myself. If you do please enlighten me.]
4. ''As you flatten out the sociological landscape you maximize the biological differences, no one saw that coming."
[I have no clue what this means myself. If you do please enlighten me.]
8. "The world is in a messy state, whose fault is it, yours, its not some identifiable group."
[Almost all Republicans voted for the Iraq war, most Democrats voted against it. Certainly the Iraq war is a giant contributor to 'messy state'. How exactly is that my fault, and not the fault of the identifiable group that authorized it?]
9. "No one goes to a sports event and boos the star, people can celebrate success, but the game needs to be fair, there are plenty of sins on the conscience of the west, but you cant throw the baby out with the bath water, people don't understand how rapidly we are making economic advancements, that is not well distributed knowledge."
[There are plenty of sins on the conscience of the West. Is that a useful statement. Is JP telling me that fans don't boo at sports stars supposed to impress me of his intellect? In this age of information at your finger tips people are advancements in economy is not well distributed knowledge? Do you have a source or example JP?]
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@cainemangakahia4842 As for your specific question; 'DOES agreeableness negatively predict success in the workplace?' In general, disagreeableness directly limits promotion or even gets you fired, making JP 100% wrong here in most applications. He is a fan of saying he is very precise in his choice of words. I don't think so, analyze these two if you want: "That is what the people who think that the differences between people who are primarily culturally constructed, but that is not what the evidence suggests...I am not hearing what you think, I am hearing how you are able to represent the ideology that you have been taught, I can replace you with someone else, and that means you are not here. Its not pleasant. You are not integrating the specifics of your personal experience, to synthesize something that is engaging as a consequence, and that is the pathology of ideological possession, and its not good."
[I cannot make sense of most of this, outside of JP telling me when someone is removed they are no longer here, but call me crazy, I am not impressed at that insight.]
"People have within them the necessity to manifest in the world and doing so is where you find the meaning that sustains you?"
[Huh?]
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@thomasbrown5267 OK, you disagree with me characterizing him as a charlatan, but you will not debate his intellect or lack of. Seems like a cop out; you tell me I am wrong, but will not debate it. Whatever. I guess your original point is about his fans. As for his fans, I posted a made up sokal hoax statement, intentionally meaningless to see if any JP fans would take the bait. 6 did, one said the statement was ridiculous, 5 jumped in to an explanation of what JP meant by it. Lots of fans describe him as brilliant, but when I ask for an example of his brilliance they reply with laughing emojis or cop out in other ways like this one: "I hear what you say and choose to ignore it. That's my choice and you don't have to read my reply. No harm intended. I do see your points I don't have to agree with any of them." So JP fan says he will ignore my comments about specific JP statements? Tell me that is not a cop out. They love him; they are unwilling or unable to defend him.
If you feel like it, comment on the following, my comments in brackets: From JP YT channel: "I have been working on the belief that transcendent values genuinely exist; that they are in fact the most tangible realities of being. Such values have to be discovered, as much as invented, during the dance of the individual with society and nature. Then they have to be carefully integrated and united into something powerful and stable... However, now, for the first time in history, lectures can have, or even exceed, the reach and duration of books. Ideas presented in lecture format can be less daunting. They can be offered simultaneously to many people. They can be preserved for long periods of time."
[JP is a fan of 'I chose my language very carefully, to communicate in a precise manner'. Let's break down his language. Transcendent means extraordinary. So JP is telling us here that extraordinary or important values exist? I doubt any 6th graders don't already know that, but thank you JP. Most tangible realities of being? Does that mean they are important in someone's life? Thank you again JP for working on this phenomenal insight. They have to be discovered? Does this mean during the course of your life in the dance between society and nature you learn what is important to you? OK, but do you have a point here dude? Wait for it... Lectures can be given to many people at once. Wow, this is some serious intellectualism. Either that or it is a guy with ideas that never move beyond the mundane and obvious, who nonetheless delivers them in over-indulgent vocabulary and with a sense of grandiose self-importance. One fan says I criticize JP fans because I would lose in an actual debate with him. I don't think so. Any time, any place, any issue. Just name it JP.]
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@thomasbrown5267 OK, here is some stuff from his fans, some of it explaining to me either A. the most brilliant thing JP has ever said, B. explaining the meaning of a nonsense phrase I made up: "Why did the chicken cross the road?"
"Hey Friend. If you can't grasp his brilliance I won't be able to explain it to you."
"You’re one or two messages from freaking out and calling Peterson a fraud. Your game is obvious."
"Clean up your room, set your house in order before you criticize others, take responsibility for your life."
"When you're in that place of where you're facing things courageously and you're speaking the truth... you are imbued with a sense of fundamental meaning, and that meaning is the antidote to the catastrophe of life."
"He has 100s of hours of lectures on YouTube and you want someone to spoon feed you some of his best points? You can’t even grasp one of his simplest rules which is to clean your room."
"You're citing the man, but what's so bad about those particular bits, of all the things he said, to be picked among all else ? It's pretty reasonable things to me."
"Perhaps just put a little more effort into listening to what he's saying and you'll be golden."
"The logos is primary in bringing order out of chaos. By logos, he is referring to the concept of truthful speech."
"In essence, the left and it's postmodern disciples view Western Civilization as continuing inequality in the world and destruction of non western people groups."
"I love how clear his talk is. He definitely thinks about what he says."
"People like this shouldn’t be aloud out side. Unfortunately majority of people think like these fools and that’s the reason the world is so fucked."
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