Comments by "Dawn Smith" (@smithdawn1) on "Couple Adopted an Adult Sociopath Posing as Child w/Tim Dillon | Joe Rogan" video.

  1. She’s 17 now. Trying to have a life but it’s nearly impossible w/this fraudulent age change she’s suffered under for 8 long yrs. Seriously. She deserves justice & her real birthdate
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  2. Orphan, the movie where a 12yr old actress played the part, because it was impossible to find a real adult who could pass for a child in the movie. Adults can’t pass for 6 no matter what
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  3.  Lucy H  Follow the links I left. There is way more to this than is being talked about. A real miscarriage of justice has been done to this kid. Solid evidence proves she was born 2003
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  4.  @etishome4099  Advocacy for abused children is one of my passions. Especially foster/adopted children. It started in my childhood with my aunt & uncle being foster parents. My efforts are not confined to merely commenting, but I do think it is worthwhile to do and doesn’t take much time. The narrative of abusers should not go unchallenged, and countering it I think is important. For Natalia, for other similarly situated children/adult children, for other readers. The Barnetts are spending money and have employed a public relations firm in an attempt to shift public perception to their side. In addition, Kristine Barnett herself has a dedicated fan base working to advance the idea that she is the victim in this scenario. Meanwhile the real victim here is completely outgunned and is also under a gag order. Imagine that? The Barnetts go on a virtual character assassination tour and by the time Natalia decides to address these scurrilous allegations, the state takes action to protect her by gagging the defendants but in the process also gets her and her [new] parents gagged. That doesn’t sit well with me. This case is still ongoing. In fact, the Barnetts were recently handed a possible success in avoiding criminal sanctions. The judge has ruled that child neglect charges cannot go forward (disability neglect charges Can) due to the [fraudulent] age change obtained in 2012 that rendered her an adult in the eyes of the law. Legal technicalities of Res Judicata and collateral estoppel may result in the state being barred from presenting the virtually irrefutable evidence that her original birth certificate was authentic. The dismissal of 6 out of 8 felony counts was stayed and the prosecution is challenging the order. The trials are on hold while awaiting a decision from the Court of Appeals. Meanwhile, Natalia is currently 17 yrs old with an amended birth certificate saying she’s 31. She cannot attend high school with her age mates. Her future, educationally and economically is in jeopardy. Worse, she is unable to obtain the surgeries she needs on account of the disparity between her apparent physical age and her legal age (this was recounted in the probable cause affidavit). The impact of the Barnetts actions has literally effected the trajectory of her entire life.
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  5. Yea snatch a kid out of an orphanage, rip them half way around the world, rehome them like a dog, have the new parents be worse than the old, turn em into an adult, leave em then flee to CA. WTF
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  6.  @ILoveCellulite No, that movie came out a yr B4 they adopted her. SHE was a real child that they F’d over, they copied the movie
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  7. What will you do if you find out he lied to you and that the child is his?
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  8. The movie is from 2009, inspired by Barbora Skrlova but purely fiction. The Barnetts likely fashioned their story with inspiration from the movie
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  9.  Prince Smith  Thats basically what they did. Came up with a novel way to ditch a disabled kid they didn’t want anymore. But ruining her life wasn’t enough for those degenerates, had to ruin her reputation too
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  10. @joe ng Child abusers borrowing a movie script for their defense makes the movie seem more plausible? Hilarious
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  11.  @camiosis  The police report spoke to one of her doctors who said her surgeries were denied approval based on the discrepancy between her legal age and her physical age. She reported daily pain rating of 8 out of 10, which could have been alleviated by surgery. Yea, Barnetts are really morally bankrupt to subject her to that because of their fraudulent age change. She’s 18 now so she should be able to get the surgeries, but she should have never been basically tortured like that for the last 10 years. And what about her education? They done her wrong there too, as the fraudulent age change made her ineligible for the appropriate education she was entitled to.
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  12.  @mud6866  Actually advocacy takes many different forms. As I said earlier, I do more than comment but think commenting is also worthwhile. Some people use their voices to do harm, I use mine to do good. I took to heart an essay I read years ago by Ayn Rand, that she wrote in response to someone asking her “What can 1 person do?” Her advice was to “use your voice”. I’m fortunate in that I have the time to also advocate in person, but commenting is something most people have time for and I encourage everyone to speak out for the children who cannot advocate for themselves.
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  13. I still find it hard to believe that ANYONE believes these child abusers fantastical alibi and discounts the proof that she was in fact a child
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  14.  @Sun.powder  Thank you. That’s very kind of you to say.
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  15.  @norseczar27  She has a 41 yr old birth mother. Who was married to her birth father, but separated. She was the 2nd child, born 2003. The mom has her hospital records.
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  16. The claim that an adult passed for a kindergartner should have been the first clue that the Barnetts are liars. Actually, the claim their son had a IQ higher than Einstein’s should’ve been 1st clue
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  17. @Almer Dzananovic They did call authorities. But Barnetts already got her birth certificate amended. Thus this many years long investigation ensued. Culminating in Barnetts being charged. Her bio mom has been located. DNA confirmed. Documentation checks out. Kid was born 2003. Now the question is-Does that 2012 court order that changed her age mean that all the evidence of her age doesn’t count? It’s all legal process from here on out, but it’s no longer a mystery how old she really is
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  18.  @kevincarter2020  No I’m not. I’m someone disgusted by the further abuse being heaped upon this kid. As if her degenerate miscreant parents haven’t harmed her enough already.
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  19. @bollo The Enigma I’m sure they tried to get her arrested. But they are liars and the authorities figured it out
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  20.  @ChiefKeif506  We know they lied about her being an adult born in 1989. Her birth mother proves that. She really was born 2003. This is unequivocal. Even before her Bmom was found, hard science via medical testing proved she was a minor. She had ex rays. She still had growth plates. Adults do not have growth plates. Even her dental evals proved she was a minor. Twice, 2011 est 8-9, 2012 est 6-9. Once you realize how they’ve lied and virtually destroyed her childhood AND her future with the fraudulent age change, it sure raises the bar for the evidence necessary to prove any of their other claims. On a he said/she said, she ought to be believed because they are shown to have lied over something incredibly important. I will add, about the supposed hair, that Mrs DePaul, the potential adopter, was giving that child baths only 5 months before Barnetts did, and Mrs DePaul says NO, says she was NOT developed at all.
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  21.  @beanybabyrabie  No, she didn’t have adult teeth back then. You can see that in the early photos. The fact they lied about that is proof of their guilt. Intellectually she did come across very bright on Dr Phil. As for bone density they lied about that too. The density test in 2010 said she was about 8.
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  22.  @RealBrizz  No I did not see any documentation of any bone testing that said she was an adult. I saw the affidavit that recounted a skeletal survey. A skeletal survey ex rays all the bones and looks at the “growth plates”. A child has growth plates which become increasingly smaller/thinner until the child’s bones are done growing and full adult height is reached. At that point the growth “plate” is a growth “line”. The orthopedic surgeon who evaluated her skeletal survey estimated her age as approximately 11. This was in June of 2012. She absolutely was not an adult. Whether she had a bush or not. She wasn’t an adult.
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  23.  @etishome4099  Thanks. No offense taken at all.
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  24.  @jaytee1404  Not caring what people say isn’t necessarily a bad method. I tend to put more weight on the objective,too, rather than the subjective. So, why you believe what Barnetts say?
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  25.  @jp__878  You’re seeming rather infatuated by me. I’m flattered.
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  26.  @charliewaters5289  You’re wrong, dear. Look at the Sept 4 2020 reporting by the Journal and Courier. The judge put the dismissal on hold and didn’t effectuate it. He then approved the prosecution motion for an “interlocutory appeal” and then the Court of Appeals accepted the appeal and assumed jurisdiction. You can pretend you’re right all you want. But you are completely wrong. Nothing has been dismissed yet. You also should look up what an interlocutory appeal actually is, because you’re clueless. While you’re “researching” go to the court website. The States Attorney General’s appeal document just posted a couple days ago. You can read the evidence that proves she was actually born in 2003. Medical, dental, Ukrainian birth records. The Barnetts are lying when they claimed a medical test showed she was older. That’s a flat out lie. ALL the scientific medical testing the Barnetts procured said she was a child. Dentists THEY took her to as well. Oh, and by the way, when they got her age changed in 2012? There WASN’T ANY hearing at all. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. The Barnetts didn’t even step foot in court. No hearing. No testimony. No representation for Natalia. No GAL. No CASA. Not EVEN aware what they were doing. So it goes without saying that NO ONE defended her in any way shape or form.
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  27. Oh really? That family took her in back in 2013. Almost 8 yrs now. Watched her grow from a little girl into a teen. Watched her lose baby teeth. Saw her x rays showing open growth plates.
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  28.  @camiosis  Her doctors would have her medical records which prior to 2012 listed her date of birth as 2003. Her then current x rays showed open growth plates. Based upon the medical findings the Dr estimated her age as 13-14 in 2017. This can in no way be blamed on the Mans or on Natalia. The denial of her surgeries rests solely on the Barnetts.
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  29. The Michigan medical doctor took x rays and said she had open growth plates, estimated her age as 13–14. There isn’t a genuine controversy over her age.
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  30.  @michaelfapgod4598  An expert on girl’s periods, are you Michael? Or is it Michelle?
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  31.  @transgenderific1507  Legally 31 because her adoptive parents defrauded the court, concealed her actual med & dental records which proved she was a child. Her bio mom has been located. She has her original hospital records. The Barnetts abandoned a disabled child. She’s 17 today.
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  32.  @BIGWILL_0715  Start at the mirror when you’re brushing your teeth in the morning
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  33.  @charliewaters5289  I imagine you do know VERY WELL that is sucks to be wrong. Time will tell if you have the moral constitution to come back here and admit it. In the meantime, sweetie, go pursue the Indiana Rules of Court- Rules of Appellate Procedure Rule 14 Interlocutory Appeals. This appeal fell under part B, Discretionary Interlocutory Appeals. While your there, check out Part I, Death Penalty Cases. Maybe next time don’t get your legal education from Wikipedia, as I see that’s where you came up with the Erroneous idea that Interlocutory Appeals are only for civil cases. Yes, I am also aware that 2 of the 8 felony counts were unaffected entirely by the stayed dismissal order. I believe I talked about that previously. You also seem unaware of the reasons for the judges dismissal order to begin with. Look up Res Judicata, Collateral Estoppel and Statute of Limitations. You’re talking like the judge looked at all the evidence and made an independent determination of her age. If that’s what you’re thinking, you’d be Wrong Again. The judge’s ruling, IF AFFIRMED, actually prevents the State from introducing the evidence that she was a child when left behind. Solid medical & dental evidence, along with her original Ukrainian birth records obtained from her biological mother. The 41 yr old biological mother who was married to her biological father at the time of her birth. It’s almost comical how little you know about this case.
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  34.  @chizpa305  Google Jacob Barnett skeptic, without quotations, and it’s in the first results. TL;DR There are reasons to doubt the claims put forth by Kristine Barnett about their son
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  35. Evi Marie Nope, never seen an adult pass for 6. Pass for 14 or 12, maybe. But 6? Losing your front teeth like most 6 yr olds? Nope.
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  36. They tell the story as if the girl was the one arrested. Reprehensible
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  37.  @RealBrizz  Really? Did you see pictures? No, you didn’t. So why do you believe it?
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  38. The list of doctors who say she WAS a child: HARRIS-Geneticist at Children’s Hospital Boston (CHB), lecturer at Harvard; SPENCER-surgeon at CHB, asst Professor at Harvard Medical School; MILLIS-surgeon at CHB, Professor at Harvard Medical School; EMANS-surgeon at CHB, Professor at Harvard Medical School; KULDANEK- pediatrics DeVos Children’s Hospital; MASKILL-surgeon DeVos CH; DEMETRIS-child abuse specialists; THOMPSON-orthopedist; RIGGS-endocrinologist Payton Manning CH; DECKARD-dentist. What doctors are on Barnetts side: 1–Andrew McLaren-family practitioner And a social worker Susan Whitten
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  39.  @firstduckofwellington6889  I said their “claims” are fantastical. An adult masquerading as a kindergartner?! Successfully?? Is that not fantastical?Fooled 2 former families for upwards of 3 years? Sounds fantastical to me. Additionally fooled a dozen medical doctors and dentists? Is that not fantastical, too? Entered the US supposedly as an 18 yr old but had a passport and visa saying she was FOUR and no one batted an eye?! Is this not the very definition of fantastical? And I haven’t even touched up the “murder attempts” yet. It’s Laughable, but not at all funny. What evidence? That letter from their family physician? That’s it. A doctor so deficient that he didn’t even get her form of dwarfism correct. Wow. That’s some extraordinary evidence alright. But not in their favor.
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  40.  @EllaNonimato  The opposite. You can’t fake x rays. She had open growth plates. Adult.women.don’t.have.growth.plates
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  41.  @michaelfapgod4598  So you already knew girls could start earlier? Wait, what was the point of your comment??
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  42.  @michaelfapgod4598  Point blank—she did not have a period. That was a Barnett lie.
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  43.  @mud6866  TY
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  44.  @spliffsforbreakfast  The girl in this video was really a child. The movie is not about her. The movie is pure fiction inspired by a real person Barbora Skrlova
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  45. Evi Marie Wrong. Those parents are arrested & charged w/8 felony counts because she actually was a child. They concealed the medical& dental evidence. See this blog https://justicefornataliagrace.blogspot.com/2019/10/natalia-grace-barnett-timeline-of-events.html
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  46. Bold faced liars. Said that but then gave photos to the Daily Mail and you can see a mouthful of baby teeth.
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  47.  @omrthegrizzbear  Fully erupted teeth don’t grow. In more current photos her teeth are much larger than back then. That proves they were baby teeth in Barnetts pics, NOT tiny adult teeth.
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  48. @Almer Dzananovic Yes, she was. Take a few minutes to actually think critically about the situation. Stop favoring complex conspiracies over the simple truth.
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  49.  @trappz_io2620  Joe F’d up. He ran with a fantastical story without doing a shred of investigating. Had he investigated he’d have reached the correct conclusion—Barnetts pulled a fast one.
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  50.  @Clarissa_320  I already heard the Barnetts fantastical claims. Repeating them doesn’t transform them into the truth. Their PR firm did a good job. Unfortunately for them the actual facts are now publicly available
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  51.  @spartan3301  You have no idea how little you know. Adult adoption is legal in Indiana. So, NO, they weren’t told they couldn’t adopt her “because she’s an adult”. Do you understand that? Is that simple enough for you? Do you want a truthful explanation? They wanted to become her legal guardians because she was an abandoned child and They wanted to get her [fraudulent] age change reversed. That was their main goal. Getting her authentic age restored. If it was simply guardianship, they could have applied for guardianship of an adult. When the age reversal was denied, they withdrew their guardianship petition. Did you even read that list of her doctors I posted earlier? Clearly not if you think I’m getting my information from social media. That info comes from documents you won’t find anywhere except the court website, which you obviously haven’t accessed.
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  52. Baron Thundercunt Gee incest jokes sure are funny
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  53. Still believe she is a child? No, she WAS a child. She was proven to be born in 2003. She is an adult now
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  54.  @bodhisattva9762  She ain’t a bitch and I’m not her or her lawyer. Seriously, you think she’d be on here violating the gag order? Further, she doesn’t even have a lawyer, but hopefully one steps up
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  55.  @charliewaters5289  So you admit you were wrong and there is an interlocutory appeal of the order to dismiss the charges?
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  56.  @charliewaters5289  Where’d you go Charles. Did you read the appeal yet? And Mike Barnetts response? Too prideful to come admit you were totally wrong??
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  57.  @HeroYMR  They absolutely did get a 6 yr old. I can’t believe anyone is falling for Barnett’s bull story.
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  58. They didn’t put much effort into their preposterous accusations, just copied the movie.
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  59. Yea, definitely was a child
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  60. Talking about a 16yr old innocent girl this way. Wtf
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  61. Kids get a8used by their parents every day. Adoptive parents are no better or worse. They’re the same. And a8usive parents ALWAYS try to blame the kid. That single mom who put her adopted son on that 1way flight was a horrible mom who had no business adopting. Remember that viral photo of the crying black boy hugging the uniformed cop? Did you know he’s ded now? His adoptive mom unalived him & his 5 adopted siblings. Be very skeptical of the “psycho adopted kid” stories
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  62. Actually she had not. The Barnetts adopted her from the Ciccones (<They traveled to Ukraine & adopted her in 2008)
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  63. Daniel King confirmed lack of understanding of what a troll is
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  64. Who knows? A judge signed an order turning an 8 yr old child into a 22 yr old “legal adult”, Sight Unseen, without a hearing, then the filings are classified confidential! How convenient
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  65. Yea, No. All the tests showed she was a real child, Not anywhere close to being an adult
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  66.  @kyle21843  It looked that way at first, but then the judge stayed his order before implementing it. The prosecution has filed an interlocutory appeal & the Court of Appeals accepted jurisdiction. At issue- Does the prior age change order preclude the prosecution from alleging she was an actual child. If the State wins, the charges of [age related] neglect of a dependent go forward and the State can offer evidence that she was child. If the state loses then some of the charges go forward on the basis of being their dependent due to disabilities. The salient point here is that it’s not the case that this judge looked at the evidence and independently determined she was an adult. If state wins the appeal they will end up convicted due to the overwhelming evidence that she was in fact a child when they left her behind.
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  67.  @worldwideqddc4202  The movie has nothing to do with this story. The movie was purely fiction, but was “inspired” by a real person/case- Barbora Skrlova. She was the daughter of the leader of an obscure cult. People she stayed with were also cultists and assisted her is trying to pass for a child. Committed many evil acts.
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  68.  @cosmic6169  Check out the photos in this video link. There’s pics of her only 6 months before Barnetts got her. A mouthful of Baby teeth w/front missing. She was a little kid https://youtu.be/D9dH4_JWeRc
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  69.  @MP-tj5xv  The 1st family was the Ciccones. They went to Ukraine and adopted her in July 2008, she was 4 (born Sept 2003). They had some kind of “significant loss” and couldn’t meet her extensive needs. Another couple with dwarfism wanted her, spent many weekends with her, but Ciccones strung them along & wouldn’t agree. They bowed out. A few months later the Barnetts were chosen, they met the Ciccones at the agency and signed the papers (May 2010; she was 6). Barnetts took her back to Indiana and waited the 6 months required then went to court in Indiana and finalized adoption (Nov 2010). Barnetts claim their son has autism but their special parents pulled him out of it and made him a genius. They “claim”. Even tho they wrote a doctor in 2010 declared him no longer autistic (“fully recovered”), he still likes to use the autism label cause purportedly autism made him who he is. Literally one BS story after another with these cretins. Fully recovered from Severe Autism? Bull. Kid probably never really had it. But, what a great story that sold a lot of books and gave high school graduate mom a career as some self promoted autism expert.
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  70. As deserved, for fraudulently changing her age so they could dump her and move to Canada
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  71.  @charliewaters5289  I guess you didn’t look at the dates of the medical/dental evaluations. Those were professionals the Barnetts took her to. As for the Mans, they rescued her in Aug 2013 and she’s been there ever since, with zero problems. Further, NOTHING has been dismissed yet and it won’t be dismissed unless the Court of Appeals affirms the order.
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  72.  @castlerock58  Yes, that happened. But thanks to a 5yr+ investigation the authorities now have unequivocal proof that her 2003 birth year was correct all along.
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  73.  @charliewaters5289  Everything I’ve said is confirmed by the actual court documents. So go do some reading, son. You might learn something
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  74.  @Jared7628  Suuure. Baby face Barnett. Heavily armed with lemon pledge and thumbtacks. Utterly preposterous
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  75.  @nc5983  Wow, thank you 😊
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  76.  No Name  I would encourage you to start at square one. What do they claim? -That the child they adopted with a birth date of September 2003 actually had a birth year of 1989. So, she wasn’t 6, she was supposedly 20. And she was adopted once already. By the Ciccones in July 2008. So if the Barnetts are telling the truth, when that other couple adopted her, they believed her to be 4 years old, but she was, according to the Barnetts, actually 18 years old. Does this sound the slightest bit plausible? That an 18yr old successfully passed for a 4yr old? For now, Forget everything else the Barnetts said (they don’t have any proof of those claims anyway—hair? According to whom? Period? According to whom? Etc etc etc), and ask yourself “If this possible? Is this plausible?”. Extraordinary claims ought to be accompanied by extraordinary evidence. They are claiming something that has never occurred in the entire history of American jurisprudence—An adult impersonating a young child, a kindergartner.
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  77.  No Name  Actually I was trying to help you. This story is inconsequential to your life. The way you solve problems, however, is very germane to your life. I tried to impart a critical thinking primer, in you will. I am aware of adults impersonating high school age children. But no adult has ever impersonated a kindergartner, for obvious reasons. Of course she has adult teeth now, she was 16 at the time of her interview. Shedding of baby teeth and growth of adult teeth generally begins at age 6 and is complete (save for 3rd molars) by about age 12. Her dental development corresponds to her original birth certificate. I’m not sure why you added she isn’t American. But you’re mistaken there as well. She became an American citizen through her 1st adoptive parents per the Child Citizen Act of 2000.
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  78.  No Name  Life Pro Tip- Say what you mean, don’t expect people to be mind readers. So if you’re trying to say “She wasn’t born an American”, just say that. Although I’m still wondering what the hell that has to do with anything. I’m also wondering how being really short makes one look like a child. There’s a reality show with women w/dwarfism. None of them look like children. No need to get hostile. Maybe take your own advice about calming down
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  79.  No Name  So in addition to having a chip on your shoulder over your intelligence, you’re also very disingenuous. You started out w/“I’m not sure”. You sound pretty sure NOW.
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  80.  No Name  Did you read about Dr Riggs? He was head of endocrinology at Payton Manning Children’s Hospital. He evaluated her in 2010 and estimated her age at about 8yrs old. How about the full skeletal survey at the same hospital in 2012? The results of that proves conclusively she was a minor, estimated her age as approximately 11. Did you read about the doctors she saw at Children’s Hospital Boston, while in the custody of her first adoptive family? Drs Eman, Spencer, Millis, & Harris? She was noted as being “a delightful 5 year old”; also noted that a translator was needed to speak with her. You’d have to be seriously committed to the Barnett’s preposterous defense to turn a blind all to all the scientific evidence and inconsistencies in their stories.
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  81. She’s still with the parents who rescued her back in 2013, tried to get justice for her ever since. Hopefully Barnetts will be convicted
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  82. This was the most disgusting episode I ever watched. Really changed the way I view Joe “no research” Rogan.
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  83.  @Grand_Master_Skywalker  No, Alyssa is correct. The adoptive parents were downright diabolical. Thankfully she has a good family now, actually it’s been 8yrs since they rescued her
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  84. I was surprised he seemed to believe the parents in this story. I mean, she first came here in 2008 when she was 4. If the parents claims are to be believed she was 18. That should’ve given him pause
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  85.  @BrandAccount-ec2rx Yes he was wrong
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  86. Look at the photos. She had her 2 front teeth but all the rest were baby teeth.
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  87.  @cadriver2570  It’s really sad. I always thought Joe was the kind of guy to defend children and eschew abuse of all kinds. Instead he joined the crowd making this girls situation worse.
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  88. Who—Joe & Tim, or the parents? I think we can conclude the parents did, since their story matches nearly scene for scene
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  89.  @giuffre714  Ok, thanks.
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  90. Yup, the adoptive parents copied the movie nearly scene for scene
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  91. Love your last name. A park I often hike in was once home to an early settler by the name of Prendergast. Now only the ruins of the fieldstone foundation remain.
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  92.  @paulbowser1989  It’s not. Look up Barbora Skrlova, that’s who inspired the movie, but it’s not what Barbora actually did. The true story is different but worse
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  93. AKA Kristine Barnett
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  94. Pretty much just like the movie. The Barnetts borrowed a make-believe movie’s script and are trying to get people to buy in. It’s pretty ridiculous
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  95. She really was a child. They destroyed her childhood, robbed her of an education, deprived her of life enhancing surgeries, and now added insult to injury. The Barnetts deserve prison time
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  96. The real story is that adoptive parents were allowed to add 14 years to their child’s age, then dumped her because “she’s an adult”
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  97. Sociopaths not rare in Indiana either. Parents got to change the 8yr old into a 22yr old so they could dump her & got away w/it
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  98. Suuuure she did
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  99. Of course she had. Before Barnetts she was a patient at Children’s Hospital Boston. World class physicians. She was a child
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  100. No. That movie is fictional, like the Barnett’s story, but was inspired by the story of Barbora Skrlova
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  101. Criminals getting lazy these days. Can’t even make up their own alibi. Copying a movie? They need to GTFO
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  102. She DID go to elementary until the Barnetts fraudulently had her age changed and F’d her out of her right to an appropriate education. THIS fact actually forms the grounds for 1 felony, 8 total
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  103. More like every pedos dream—an actual child who’s a legal adult thanks to the age change. It’s sick Joe taking the side of the perps
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  104. The parents claims do mirror the movie. The movie came out a yr before they adopted her and was inspired by the story of Barbora Skrlova
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  105. Apparently if you don’t want to be a parent you don’t have to be that, either
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  106. When an accused criminal’s defense sounds just like a Hollywood movie, they’re probably lying.
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  107. No. The movie is what the parents based their accusations on. Perfect ready made defense against child neglect for the ignorant biased masses to eat up. This was a real child
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  108.  @MrFranklinWest  There’s more than one source; easiest to find source is the probable cause affidavit for Michael Barnett as it lists medical/dental findings
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  109. Absolutely 💯
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  110. She’s a child (teen now, age 17). The Barnetts cooked up a scheme to get out of an adoption they regretted. They got caught. Rather than go down quietly, they hired a PR firm to spread their tall tales
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  111. The judge put the dismissal on hold so that the prosecution can appeal. So it’s not dismissed yet. They can still prosecute the disability neglect either way
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  112. There weren’t signs of adulthood because she was a genuine child. Joe dropped the ball here, big time. This kid had multiple x rays. Baby teeth & growth plates (adults don’t have growth plates)
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  113. I agree with you
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  114. @Daniel King I’m not the one with an obsessive urge to invent huge & complex conspiracies as an alternative explanation to the obvious one—That Barnetts are simply bad people who didn’t have the heart to deal with an needy child that wasn’t their own after their son’s star began to rise.
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  115. Garrett Clark That’s pretty much it. But, hey, they’re just parroting Joe. All the while believing themselves to be “critical thinkers”.
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  116. @Evi Marie Joe got this story so wrong. He got Big laughs at an abused child’s expense. So funny to have your childhood stolen, then people swallow your abuser’s tales mindlessly.
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  117.  @thegishof9766  Natalia was an actual child. Look at the photos from then until now. If she was an adult then, she wouldn’t have grown & changed like she did
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  118.  @thewind6047  No, that’s only what the Barnetts claimed. That test was by Dr Riggs, head of Growth Disorders Department at Payton Manning Children’s Hospital, said she was 8.
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  119. The Barnetts concealed her dental records. When located by the detective, two diff dentists told them she was 9 at the oldest in 2012
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  120. That’s what the criminal defendants claim. But what do the undisputed facts show—That 6 months after they brought her home they went to court and made it binding/finalized the adoption. So 6 months AFTER they purportedly discovered the 6 yr old wasn’t 6 they said Hey Let’s Make this Permanent? Naw, they’re liars
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  121.  @lemon1657  You’ll like this: Kristine is in further hot water. Accused of violating the gag order. I’ve seen her posts. It’s gonna be hard to wiggle out of. Hearing for that in May. PLUS trial dates set for the neglect charges: Mike Sept 2022; Kristine Oct 2022.
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  122. No she doesn’t, but the Barnetts sure do.
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  123.  @r.shanethompson7933  I was told you came to Indiana to hide from being on the registry in another state.
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  124. No, she was really 6 when they adopted her. They are using her dwarfism to fool people into thinking it’s plausible that she was a secret adult. Her condition is very different than Hasbulla’s
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  125.  @dakotareid1566  I get that. I was floored when I saw how JRE handled this story. I always thought of him as one of the good guys. But he clearly didn’t give this much thought before he did harm to an innocent kid. JRE exposes things you won’t often hear in the mass media. He’s big on exposing the media lies. Yet in this case he did what he cautions us Not to do- Blindly accept what the media is putting out.
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  126.  @dakotareid1566  Natalia Grace Barnett. There’s a blog that’s compiled everything about this case & has all her pics in order. Called Justice For Natalia Grace. Indiana court records site too. Right now where it stands is that the State cannot charge them for child neglect due to the prior legal age change & statute of limitations regardless of actual proof she was a real child. They are still facing charges for neglect of a disabled dependent.
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  127.  @dakotareid1566  They left her, some who can hardly walk, uses a walker, in an upper flat, w/an uncovered outside staircase, in a state with harsh snowy winters. Who tried to kill whom?
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  128.  @dakotareid1566  The Barnetts made that claim. AFTER they were arrested. No evidence. No report made at the time to police or social services. Lack of credibility due to already being shown to be liars. I’m struggling to understand why anyone would entertain such an accusation under these circumstances. On its face the accusation is ridiculous— He claimed she looked them in the eye and point blank admitted “I’m trying to kill you. I want you dead”. It’s preposterous.
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  129. And what do the Barnetts claim they did in response to “attempted murder”? They got her an apartment and visited often. Does that make ANY sense at all? Nope. They are lying
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  130. Of course you didn’t know. The whole point of moving to Canada was that no one there knew they left their adopted kid behind to fend for herself.
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  131. Yea, to apologize for saying what they were saying & not taking the time to think First or do an ounce of research
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  132.  @Cooper391 No way. Even her birth mom was located, DNA confirmed. She was born 2003.
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  133. The mom is a liar. Copying the movie that came out a year before they adopted her
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  134. Cause when you see the condition those kids in the orphanage are suffering under, and you want a child, you want to rescue one of them. I didn’t understand either, until I saw the videos. Good news is you can still help, without adopting, because there are charities doing good work
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  135. So kinda like Americans who say “I’m Irish” or “I’m French” or “I’m Italian”, when they were born here
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  136. It’s worse than Not funny. The parents did exactly what they’re accused of. They defrauded the court to get her age changed, then abandoned a disabled child
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  137. This is about some degenerate adoptive parents who thought they came up with the perfect plan to legally ditch their disabled adopted daughter. They’ve co-opted Orphan as their alibi
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  138. Looking at first claim. You are misinterpreting. The recorded health impact DOES NOT mean they never could work again. That is a misinterpretation
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  139. I skipped the rest except for EPOCH Times, because I find EPOCH more trustworthy. All in all it was not alarming. Yes there are some very bad adverse events, but Statistically Very Very Few.
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  140. Well she’s still under gag order, but maybe after the Barnetts criminal trials have concluded. I would love to see Joe actually do some research, admit the girl was a child back then & apologize
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  141. Except it didn’t happen for real. Those loser parents clearly borrowed the script, dam near scene for scene. Just like murderer Chris Watts with his Shutter Island story (Claimed HE didn’t kill his daughters, said the wife did so he killed the wife) or Fotis Dulos with his Gone Girl story (my ex wife isn’t murdered, she’s setting me up and alive in hiding). Pathetic criminals
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  142. No, the movie is based on Barbora Skrlova. It came out a year B4 they adopted her. The girl was actually a genuine child
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  143. Naw, the movie just provided a couple of losers a ready made alibi after they got busted for abandoning their kid
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  144. Uh oh, my replies are muted. I’ll try later
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  145. The real sociopath is now living in Florida (Kristine Barnett), the enabler is still in Indiana (Michael Barnett).
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  146. Are only the parents entitled to a presumption of innocence? They’re the ones charged after records gathered & dad confessed
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  147. You’re guessing wrong. They’re common criminals. Typical child abusers blaming their victim
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  148.  @joshuaschafer8549 You’re behind the times. Document dump by prosecutor showing what Jury didn’t get to see. Proven child
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  149. Your friend didn’t know the truth. Which is that this girl was a little girl and they are reprehensible losers. Nobody would help a person who tried to kill them. It’s a blatant lie
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  150. That’d be great. I’d like to see if Joe has the character to apologize. He sure didn’t like CNN calling his Covid medicine “horse” medicine. I’m sure she feels even more wronged with his jokes
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  151.  @HILLBILLY_HARD  It’s Kristine Barnett and (then) husband Michael who pulled off the con. The diabolical nature of their crimes against Natalia and their calculated public relations response to the charges is breathtaking really. Then it gets real interesting if you go back and analyze all the claims made about their “genius” son.
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  152. Yup, people get their 2 front adult teeth around age 6-7. Normal cycle starts between ages 9-15. She wasn’t an adult
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  153. @Lavern Merriweather Apparently you failed to understand that they adopted her in 2010...when she was 6...which is why she’s 16 now
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  154.  @bighands69  She was 6 yrs old in 2010 when they got her. How gullible are you, man? Thinking an adult somehow passed as a KINDERGARTNER? Nope. Was an actual child
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  155.  @alexanderward5286  Her documents were legit. That’s how they tracked down her birth mother, who’s only 41 now and was married when she gave birth to her (her second child). Barnetts LIE
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  156.  PurpleDragon22  Bone density aligned with her orig birth certificate. Est her age as 8, when she was 7. Even more compelling- X rays showing open growth plates. All tests said Child.
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  157.  @emilyparker5723  Did you ever check out the blog called Justice For Natalia Grace? All the info is compiled. She was adopted in Ukraine by the Ciccones of New Hampshire. They let her spend time with potential adopters but until they agreed Barnetts could adopt her she was always in their custody. She was a real child.
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  158.  @emilyparker5723  You must not have found the blog, you keep referring to it as a documentary. I’ve been following this story since it broke, relied upon numerous sources including court website. The Barnetts did claim she had hair/period, but other sources contradict that. Like Mrs DePaul, who had NB in her home overnight numerous occasions shortly before Barnetts adopted her. DePaul bathed NB alongside her own little girl and says NB had no hair, no period, no signs of puberty. DePaul is very credible. I agree that NB’s type of dwarfism caused her to be short but does not make her features childlike. The DePauls report NB’s behavior was fine and she got along well with their lil girl. No one has come forward saying differently, only Barnetts. As for school, she didn’t have any at the 1st apt, where she was for 11 months. She wasn’t doing well there either. There were multiple reports to CPS about her condition. Neighbors helped look out for her, Barnetts visited 2-3x a week. She had a home care aid 2-3 hrs a week, didn’t shop- Barnetts brought her food- and she did use a microwave. She turned 9 three wks after being put there. A 9 yr old can feed and bathe themselves. She didn’t use the bus. After the Barnetts escaped CPS charges thanks to the age change, they moved her over an hour away to LaFayette. Kristine did enroll her at LARA, she went about 2 months, didn’t get a GED. Thankfully the Mans took her into their home about 6 wks after she’d been left in LaFayette because the Barnetts left for Canada right after moving her and she no longer had any assistance. It’s true a judge changed her age, changed her birth year from 2003 to 1989. All without ANY hearing, didn’t appoint a GAL to investigate, didn’t talk to any medical provider or demand her medical/dental records, DID NOT EVEN MEET HER. Under these conditions I accord very little weight to the “legal” age change. It’s actually pretty scandalous. The detective in this case has uncovered all her medical and dental records, even locating her birth mother and NB’s original birth certificate was correct all along
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  159.  @spartan3301  WTF are you talking about? “They stopped fighting for her”? What? They’ve never stopped fighting for justice for her. I suppose you don’t realize she still lives with them. Just as she has since they rescued her back in Aug 2013. Sheep? From the clown who believed oRpHaN iS reeeeAl. Hilarious. I believe what the Harvard Medical School professors wrote back in 2008, that she was “...a delightful 5 year old....”
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  160.  @spartan3301  So Joe is the arbiter of truth for you? Sounds sheepish to me. Especially when you added the part about 40k saying otherwise. This may sound like a novel concept to you, but did you know you can fact check what Joe or anyone else, including me, claims? Or continue letting others do your thinking for you.
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  161.  @icedynamite1560  ROFL. Did I watch the video? Are you a few logs shy of a cord, or something? Have you read the comments in this thread?
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  162.  @kathyturman1118  Exactly Kathy. The deadly farmer fence lol
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  163.  @FrmBompton  Did you not read my comments before tagging me? NOTHING has been dropped. It’s at the Court of Appeals. Why could it “possibly” get dropped? NOT because she’s really 31, that is clear. It’s because of : 1) Statute of Limitations- the meaning of this should be self evident 2) Res Judicata- The judge says her age was already settled, rightly or wrongly is irrelevant 3) Collateral Estoppel- The judge says the criminal prosecution is a collateral attack on the age change order. So basically—Legal Technicalities that have ZERO to do with her actual age. Her actual age is now known because her birth mother was found and confirmed via DNA testing. So there’s a dozen doctors, dentists, teachers, past families and now her birth mother. Y’all ought to be infuriated that an innocent vulnerable little girl was so terribly treated. By her parents and by the system for so many years, now we can add the worldwide vicious defamation. I bet you (or I) couldn’t take a week of this nonsense without losing our minds. This kid is a champ, worthy of admiration
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  164.  @FrmBompton  I definitely will be.
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  165.  @FrmBompton  So you believe a 18 yr old woman successfully infiltrated a KINDERGARTEN? No one was the wiser, eh? Not her teachers, her physical therapist, her DOCTORS, or parents? I find it hard to believe that you’d actually believe that. I think it more likely you never actually paused to really think about it.
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  166.  @ceoofwhiteprivilege2238  Yeah, still on it. And will be until there is Justice For Natalia Grace (<<You may want to check out the blog by that name). No decision yet on Interlocutory Appeal 🤞
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  167. Nope. She was a genuine 6 yr old child with dwarfism & profound disabilities that was seriously mistreated by the “parents”
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  168. The Barnetts paid all the bills. They were receiving her SSI. They brought her food. A home care aid purportedly billed for 266 hours during the 11 months at 1st apartment. She wasn’t doing well as there were multiple reports to CPS that she appeared unkept & wasn’t managing. CPS tried to get custody of her but were defeated by the legal age change. After the CPS petition was denied, they moved her to a different apt & they moved to CA. 4-6 weeks later she was taken in by the current family and is still with them (almost 9 yrs now). Total time alone was approx 12 months.
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  169. She absolutely was a child. It’s so crazy to me that you’re going off about leftists when this is a case of really bad people gaming the system. Their alibi mirrors a Hollywood movie, for crying out loud. Just because Joe didn’t look at any facts before spouting off doesn’t mean you shouldn’t.
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  170. That is the truth. Abused then accused, and people are eating it up without one iota of critical thought.
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  171.  @stevenobrien557  That is correct!!
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  172. @The spirit Of 76 Except the Barnetts had not only her Ukrainian birth certificate but also the 1st adopters adoption decree which was finalized in Ukraine. 1st fam traveled to Ukraine to adopt her. She’s indisputably Born Ukrainian
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  173. Primordial dwarfism is what the American Horror Story actress Jyoti Amge has. The girl in this story, Natalia, has Diastrophic Dysplasia and was genuinely a child
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  174. She was checked out, by a specialist in growth disorders, endocrinologist Dr Riggs. Prior to their adoption being finalized in the court of Hamilton Co IN.
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  175. Chris Watts claimed Shutter Island (wife killed the kids so he killed her) Fotis Dulos claimed Gone Girl (wife wasn’t dead, she was framing him for her death). Now Barnetts claiming Orphan
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  176. Yes, a much different story because she WAS actually 8 when they changed her age to 22 so they could legally ditch her
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  177. Of course she looks young. She was born Sept 2003
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  178.  @chriscosby1561  Thanks buddy. I’ve been following this closely for over 2 yrs now, advocating for her because she is unable to advocate for herself. After the Barnetts gave a good 10 interviews, primarily the dad, the court imposed a gag order. Then extended it to include Natalia and her defacto parents, the Mans (who took her in after Barnetts moved). She gave 1 interview (Dr Phil). Mike Barnett hired an professional PR firm shortly after his arrest, and they have 3-4 lawyers between them and Kristine has a fan base from her book. Natalia has no one really. I’m trying to help level the playing field, for whatever it’s worth, for her and for other mistreated kids who read the comments to see that they are not alone.
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  179.  @chriscosby1561  That’s very kind of you to say. Thank you
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  180. That movie was released in 2009. It’s total fiction but inspired by a real person (Barbora Skrlova). The parents are using the movie to try to manipulate people into believing their lies
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  181. In the real world no one is laughing. She’s been confirmed to have been a child by her birth mother & original birth records (now 17). A grave injustice has occurred & a girl irreparably harmed
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  182.  @LisaIsHappyToBeSane  Sorry, you’re right. I should have shared the info without being rude.
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  183.  @LisaIsHappyToBeSane  To explain, the Barnetts adopted her from the Ciccones in April 2010, through a FL adoption agency. So the Barnetts did adopt her here in the States. By that time it’s expected that she would no longer speak her 1st language, so the Barnetts were talking nonsense. It actually would have been Sus if she still spoke or understand her 1st language. The Barnetts further spoke nonsense when they claimed they had a friend speak Ukrainian to her. Because it was in her medical records, that they received, that in 2008 her Dr had to use a Russian translator. So why are they supposedly having a friend speak Ukrainian. They are so full of it.
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  184.  @LisaIsHappyToBeSane  She’s 18 now. Her original birth certificate with the birthdate of Sept 2003 was correct. But she is still living under the amended birth certificate saying 1989
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  185. Yes. And this girl was a child, not an adult.
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  186. @Jorge Lujan It’s the most intricate and fantastical alibi ever. Ain’t gonna save ‘em, though.
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  187. Do you believe he was?
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  188. She was legitimately a child. I wonder if the people into that fantasy have discovered a way to make it legal. Adopt a child from overseas, then have their birthdate amended. Violá! Legal.
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  189. This whole episode is low-life, trashing an innocent teen who had the misfortune of being adopted by scum
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  190. No, other pics the Barnetts showed you can clearly see spaces where baby teeth are missing. Clearly. Just not the pics they showed on this biased video. A family before Barnetts came forward with pics from Oct 2009 where she just lost her very first baby tooth. Check out Ready To Glare exclusive video w/DePauls.
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  191. Orphan, purely fictional, was inspired by Barbora Skrlova & came out a yr b4 they adopted her. They copied the movie
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  192. She’s from Ukraine. She was a social orphan. Her mom never took her home after giving birth to her, because of her disabilities. Birth mom’s been DNA confirmed. She was a child
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  193. Yes, that was ignorant. But it pales in comparison to his perpetuating the criminal defendants fantastical alibi
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  194. Not only did he get it wrong, make fun of an abused child, he also started a rumor that she tried to kill the new parents! I’ve seen multiple people repeatedly that nonsense. Really sad
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  195. How disgusting for grown ass men to be talking about a little girl like that
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  196. @snow man 1) Michael confessed 2) Endocrinologist and Orthopedist at Payton Manning Children’s Hospital both estimated her age as within 3yrs of her original birth certificate 3) 2 dentists estimated her age as corresponding to her original birth certificate 4) Boston Children’s Hospital did not question her age 5) DeVos Children’s Hospital orthopedist evaluation that was in line with original BC 6) The manner in which the age change occurred, ie Ex Parte 7) The allegations in the age change motion Barnetts filed ie No specific medical or dental findings were alleged 8) Proven lies from Kristine about the 2nd apt, the LaFayette apartment rental ie the eviction proceeding in May 2014 proved the rent was not paid a yr in advance as claimed nor did Kristine co-sign as claimed nor was Natalia evicted from 1st apartment as claimed. 9) The photographs ie having baby teeth when Barnetts claimed she had all adult teeth; looking like a young child with dwarfism not an adult with dwarfism; baby teeth start shedding right on normal schedule at age 6 10) The DePauls
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  197. Unknown Entity I AM outside. Morel hunting. How’d you know?
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  198. No, the Barnetts Alibi is crafted from the movie. They claim it’s just like Orphan. The movie came out while Natalia was with her 1st adoptive parents, before the Barnetts
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  199. It’s remarkable, the mindless support the so-called parents are receiving
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  200. And considering that the movie came out a yr before they adopted her, it’s pretty evident where Barnetts got their preposterous story from
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  201.  @00gr1ngo8  Previously asked and answered. Next?
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  202.  @jp__878  You got me
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  203.  @charliewaters5289  And yet on the court website on 10-26-2020 is says “Motion for Interlocutory Appeal”; then on 11-20-2020 Order Granting Motion for Interlocutory Appeal. Maybe just for fun you might read the Appellant Brief which just posted on 3-9-2021. You can keep inundating me with your word salad but it won’t change the fact that you are wrong about almost everything you’ve said.
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  204.  @charliewaters5289  So you don’t have an explanation for why it says on the court website Motion for Interlocutory Appeal and Order Granting Motion for Interlocutory Appeal???
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  205.  @charliewaters5289  The dismissal of the age related neglect charges was an interlocutory ruling because it preceded final judgment in the case. Interlocutory means something that is done between the commencement of the case and the end of the case, that decides some point or matter, but is not the final decision of the case. Thus, this interlocutory appeal was allowable because the dismissal decided an issue that was separate from the merits of the case and would be unreviewable after a final judgment. Further, this was not an appeal by right. The prosecution needed the judge to agree and certify the case for the interlocutory appeal. Then the prosecution was able to file the appeal with the Court of Appeals and the COA assumed jurisdiction. As for your other nonsense, there was not a hearing or Evidentiary hearing on the Barnetts motion to amend her birth certificate from 2003 to 1989 in the year 2012. The state was not a party to that case, which was filed with an adoption cause number. Part of the states case rests upon the fact that the age change was done in Marion County but the prior adoption order occurred in Hamilton County. That means that Hamilton county issued the very first order which was the adoption order and Marion county did not have the authority to change a Hamilton Co order. Therefore the Marion county order that purported to change her age was void. You can learn more by reading the filings on the court website but apparently you are too lazy to do so
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  206.  @charliewaters5289  The dismissal is the interlocutory ruling that was appealed. The entry on 9-8-2020 is a motion to certify the orders. Basically asking the judge to give her mission for the interlocutory appeal because it is not an appeal by right it requires the hearing judges permission. On 9-23 is the “ order granting motion to certify interlocutory appeal“. Then the state had to motion the COA to accept jurisdiction and in the actual motion document (which IS posted) says “ The trial court order prohibits the state from presenting a jury with substantial evidence that Natalia was a minor“. It’s so hilarious that you keep clinging to the idea that something other than the dismissal of the age related neglect charges was appealed.
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  207.  @charliewaters5289  Did the dismissal end the case? No, only applied to 6 out of 8 counts. That’s why it was an interlocutory ruling. It occurred after commencement of the case but before the end of the case. The case is not over. It was not the final decision of the matter in issue. It was an interlocutory ruling and is now under an interlocutory appeal. And if you actually read all the posted documents on the court website, as I have, you would know that. You would also know that the medical and dental records prove she was a minor child when the Barnetts obtained the age change. It’s all delineated. Dr Riggs, head of the growth disorder department at Payton Manning CH estimated her age as about 8 in 2010; A full skeletal survey at Payton Manning in 2012 estimated her age as 11. Do you even know what that means? They take ex rays and evaluate her “growth plates”. She had growth plates. IF she was an adult she would not have had “growth plates”, adults have a “growth line”. There is no way a dr looking at ex rays misdiagnosed her as a minor child. Then the dental evaluations. Kristine took her to EZ Dental asking them to estimate her age in 2011. The dr told her she was between 8-9. In 2012 a dentist Dr Ronald Deckard took mouth ex rays and said based upon the ex rays she was between 6-9. Now her birth mother has been (edit typo removed) located and confirmed by DNA testing. She relinquished Natalia the day after giving birth to her, due to her significant medical problems and dwarfism. She has her pregnancy ultrasound/hospital delivery records/relinquishment documents. It’s all over. This proves she was born in 2003, not 1989. Now it’s just a matter of IF the Barnetts will be held criminally liable. You have been bamboozled, son. You’ve been had.
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  208.  @charliewaters5289  Sorry Charlie. The only one confused here is you. And the documents posted on the court website proves it. But keep pretending you’re right, for some unknown reason.
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  209.  @charliewaters5289  This is amazingly comical. I specifically said THE dismissal order was not effectuated because the judge stayed the dismissal and certified the order for Interlocutory Appeal. Thus, unless the COA affirms the dismissal order, those counts will not be dropped. You can offer incorrect explanations all day long. You can keep insulting me. But it won’t change the fact that I am correct. I’m starting to think you know that. You’re just trying to save face. Doubling down when you oughta fold. Go for it.
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  210.  @dfrnt.  You seriously believe that claim of the parents??
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  211.  @jays0909  Early photos prove the “adult teeth” claim was a lie. As for a period, her word against theirs and theirs ain’t worth squat. Motive? All we can do is hypothesize. Probably why the prosecution is never required to prove motive, only facts. They wanted to move to Canada so their son could go to a prestigious school, right? Well, in 2013 Canada had a long standing policy of denying a visa to those with expensive medical needs. They would not have been allowed to move there with her. The fraudulent age change sure solved that problem, didn’t it? They didn’t HAVE to take her, nor incur bad press for leaving her behind. Cause “she’s an adult”. Bad press sure would have hurt book sales and the sale of the movie rights to the book. And that’s JUST ONE possible motive. Was something more nefarious happening to Natalia in a house (and extended family) with non-biologically related males? Would making her an adult discredit any future disclosures by her? Or make her the “adult predator” rather than the child victim? Did they hope the age change would negate her first adoption and thus negate her US citizenship and make the problem go away by getting her deported? That’s possible, too.
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  212.  @anthony91688  It doesn’t take much to post comments. And for every troll there’s real people looking too. So why not? Barnetts have their PR firm advocating their side.
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  213.  @charliewaters5289  You ARE still here. Ready to admit you were wrong about what the Court of Appeals is being asked to decide in the interlocutory appeal? Don’t be a Fonzi, just admit you were wrong
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  214.  @moonknight6088  Socrates said “I cannot teach anyone anything, I can only make them think”. Forgive my arrogance is comparing myself to one so enlightened, but I am glad I was able to inspire you to think further on this matter. Thank you for your kind words.
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  215.  @moonknight6088  Read my response above to Laci. The travesty of Justice continues unabated.
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  216.  @moonknight6088  Thanks. I’ll be writing to pressure Indiana legislators. Indiana needs a Natalia’s Law to prevent this unheard of 14 year birth-certificate-amending-without-a-hearing from ever occurring to any other child. Some needed change should come out of this. On the positive side for Natalia (1) She escaped the Barnetts before they could do worse (2) She found a loving family (3) She learned of her birth mother and biological family who want a relationship with her (4) She still has civil remedies available to her including filing suit to restore her authentic birthdate and enough evidence now with all the detective uncovered (5) She has many more people who want to help her in reaching her full potential {myself and others I’ve connected with}.
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  217.  @youre.right.  Ugh, my response was 2 long & got muted. Briefly: Researching this case led me to a US charity (w/sister organization in Switzerland) that provides life extending surgeries to children at the orphanage where Natalia came from. (The charity has photos of Natalia at the orphanage in 2007 posted on their website. She was 3 or 4 at the time). So now, in addition to trying to get legislators to protect adoptees from outrageous age changes, I’m going to put my efforts into the charity. It’s a very small 501(3)c and I think I could help make a difference.
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  218.  @DeathBringer769  Total BS IMO. A 6 to 8 yr old girl attempting murder? That in itself is almost unheard of. Look up the stats. Then consider the source. People who lied and claimed she was an adult. Zero credibility. People who didn’t report it to anyone. And the so called attempts? Bleach or pinesol (depending which parent is talking) in coffee? Will that kill you? A farmer’s electric fence? That’s about as painful as a rubber band snap. Certainly cannot kill you or even harm you. Farmers wouldn’t enclose livestock with a dangerous fence. It’s preposterous. Perpetrators leveling accusations against their victim, not very novel and ought to be dismissed out of hand.
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  219.  @justinhight8880  Legally she’s still F’d. Because the age change was never overturned & state didn’t intervene when they could have. Resulted in 4 counts being dismissed d/t Statute of Limitations, remaining 4 felonies going to trial Sept/Oct but limited to neglect r/t disability not age. Links get blocked so here’s where to look- R edit has huge posts w links; court website mycase dot in; Journal and Courier Aug 27 2020 for birth mom DNA results; Substack & t witr Dave Bangert; t witr Lisa Fan; Justice for Natalia Grace b log
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  220.  @ellabiddy4741  Hey Ella, this was intended for anyone & everyone on this thread. I’ve commented in this thread a lot for a while, wanted to share it
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  221.  @FerrumRegem  Tests said she had open growth plates which proves she was a child
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  222.  @n01r.921  Crazy that the Barnetts got away with it for so long
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  223. She was legitimately 6 yrs old when they adopted her. Baby face, baby teeth and all. They just didn’t want her anymore
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  224. A voice of logic, reason and plain old common sense. Refreshing
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  225. The charge is Neglect of a dependent. Notwithstanding she was an actual child, she was their dependent & has severe disabilities. It’s no different than kicking your elderly mother out and putting her in an apt in an unsafe situation. Once you assume responsibility for someone, of any age, in Indiana, you have obligations. They did have more charges relating to her age but the courts have ruled them dismissed due to Statute of Limitations.
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  226. That would be quite the trick considering as she never spoke Ukrainian to begin with. She spoke Russian. It’s in her 2008 medical records that drs needed a translator
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  227. Yea, the parents copied the movie, acting like everything in the Fictional movie happened to them
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  228.  Tropic Lightning  She is Not a pituitary dwarf. She has Diastrophic Dysplasia Diastrophic Dysplasia has nothing to do with hormones
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  229. The craziest part is that she was an actual 8 yr old child and the Barnetts obtained an age change making her 22 Without Stepping Foot In Court! Yea, that easy, Ex-Freaking-Parte a judge allowed adoptive parents to abdicate responsibility and denied a child the rights to which a child is entitled. There was No hearing, No medical records & No dental records submitted, No GAL, No notice, No due process whatsoever. And this sht went down in America, not Ukraine. A married couple with children, the Mans, a minister and wife, lived nearby Natalia’s LaFayette apt. The Barnetts deposited her there on July 10, 2013 and left to Canada. The Mans took her in by Aug 15, 2013. Yes, Mr Mans is black and Mrs Mans is white. It’s been 8 yrs now and they consider her their daughter.
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  230. @Cyrus James Wow, That Reddit Post is one of the most gilded I’ve ever seen. The ratio of awards to upvotes shows how much that resonated with readers.
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  231. How stupid do you have to be to believe such a fantastical alibi? Read the police report people https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6454753-Probable-Cause-Affidavit.html
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  232. Mike Barnett was blabbing on Facebook 5 years ago that he needed 4 yrs of therapy because of his ex Kristine. Called Kristine evil, said she controlled & abused him. He didn’t blame Natalia
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  233.  @blueface2774  The parents are lying. You can see for yourself she’s grown, as well as her face maturity from. But you’d need to see the photos in legit order, not what most news & youtubers are doing (talking about when she was 6 or 8 but inserting a photo from when she’s 15 or 16).
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  234. Yup. It’s legal to be with a child when the child has their birth certificate amended making them a legal adult. Scary
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  235. No where could a girl hide Aunt Flo for months on end. They are full of it. Throwing everything hoping something will stick and people won’t notice she really was a child
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  236.  @paulyoung3852  She w/new parents went on Dr Phil in Nov 2019, the dad already did 7-8 interviews inc Dr Oz, mom did Daily Mail. After that all parties were slapped w a gag order
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  237. You are correct Barbie. Adults don’t grow taller, nor their hands, and they don’t still have baby teeth falling out. She was a child then
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  238. Yup. They got a ready made alibi from a movie and people are buying it. Just like the murderous spouses claiming Gone Girl, or Chris Watts telling a story that’s Shutter Island all day long.
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  239. It’s preposterous. The Barnetts are making shit up to distract from their abuse/neglect of her. Even her birth mother was found. DNA confirmed. Has all the receipts proving she was a child.
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  240.  @fobbitoperator3620  I don’t know if you care or not, but if you do please note that the M word is now considered a pejorative, a slur. The non offensive terminology is Little Person or Dwarf. Years ago the M word was a category for someone who was very short, but proportionately small (small arms & legs & trunk, etc). While the word dwarf was a category for someone who was very short but disproportional (Regular trunk size with small limbs, etc). Now that distinction no longer applies. Sorry, not trying to be mean, just trying to respectfully share what I’ve learned.
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  241. It’s reprehensible and beyond cruel. Perpetuating the abusers narrative. Adding insult to injury.
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  242. Do you think Joe, or anyone who’s part of JRE, looked at the details before running with this story in a way that bolstered the parents side?
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  243. No not about this case. But there is a movie whose storyline the Barnetts seem to have adopted
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  244. No, the adoptive parents copied the plot from the movie. They were abusive & she was genuinely a child
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  245.  @davidlangley2064  Only a court can determine fraud. No court ever made such a determination nor were they asked to. You know why? Because the folks they accused would have the right to defend themselves and would have lawyers and there’d be an actual trial. Which they’d lose because she was a genuine child. Instead, they filed an ex parte petition, no notice to anyone, under a confidential adoption cause number. There was NO court hearing. They never stepped foot in court. She was not assigned a GAL or lawyer. There was no vetting of their petition. No medical or dental records submitted. Judge didn’t talk to any of her providers or even meet her. Changed her birth year from 2003 to 1989 without any due process whatsoever. I would think even you would agree that process was deeply flawed. We don’t have trials in absentia for good reason. Here, in 2012, an elementary school child was turned into a drinking aged adult and deprived of all the rights a child is entitled to. Based on an ex parte petition.
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  246.  @davidlangley2064  You should read the probable cause affidavit. It recounts the medical & dental evidence showing she was a child. It’s on twitr posted by Lisa Fan, pics too.
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  247. No, the movie came out well before they adopted her. It seems they’re trying to make her sound like the fictional movie character
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  248. She got in there when her birth mom rejected her at birth because of her disability. Then some entitled wealthy folks from the East Coast went and adopted her in Ukraine and brought her back here. Note, she cleared immigration just fine and was only 4 years old. Here’s where you may wanna ask yourself if it’s even possible for this kid to have been secretly 18 but looking 4 years old. After 2 yrs they couldn’t take how having a disabled kid cramped their lifestyle, so they contacted an agency who contacted Barnetts. Barnetts adopted her when she was just 6 yrs old. Two yrs later they cooked up this age change scheme so they could conceal ditching their disabled adopted daughter. Mom Barnett had books to sell on what a perfect parent she was and ditching your adopted kid wasn’t the proper image to sell books by.
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  249. The movie was fiction, inspired by a Barbora Skrlova, and this girl Joe is laughing about was an actual child, not a secret adult
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  250. Another family, DePauls, said she lost her first baby tooth in Oct 2009 & have the pics to prove it. Check out Ready To Glares exclusive. She looks like a 6 yr old
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  251.  @nasimwehbe8410  Exactly. Once their son started getting famous (after they adopted her) she was in the way. Can’t promote him & do interviews all around the world w/a surgery-needing kid
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  252. You know, she’s been with the not-so-new-anymore parents for going on 8 YEARS? Long time. Never an issue. Growing/maturing same as their other kids. Barnetts need to be convicted
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  253. The birth mother was found. She has the hospital records proving the girl really was born in 2003. She was DNA confirmed. But, they may have pulled off the perfect crime. The judge says the legal age change from 2012 means the child neglect charges must be dismissed (not the disability neglect). Judge put the dismissal on hold without enforcing and the court of Appeals has assumed jurisdiction. The COA will decide if All the charges can go forward. The COA is NOT deciding her age or deciding the case. Just deciding if res Judicata prevents the state from arguing that she really is a child. If the COA allows the state to present all the evidence the Barnetts will be convicted because they located all her records and dr after dr told Barnetts she was a child, plus now the birth mom. If the COA affirms the dismissal, then the Barnetts will face the remaining 2 felonies of neglect of a disabled dependent which applies to any age
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  254. This kid is getting Jewelled. Remember Richard Jewell? Press crucified the guy when in fact he was a hero. These people ditched their too-much-work disabled child. It’s disgusting
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  255. @Solvem Probler Studios Makes sense. I would have said “Do your own research” but most people do not have enough interest in this story to invest time in researching it. Thinking critically about it, however, takes much less time. The sheer number of people buying into the Barnetts alibi is irritating to me. It’s part of a larger pattern today, where people seem to prefer huge and complex conspiracies as an alternative explanation to the obvious one.
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  256. @Solvem Probler Studios This too shall pass. It’s been incredibly difficult. As you go about your travel through life, strive to keep an active mind as opposed to an “open mind”. I think it was Ayn Rand who cautioned against having an open mind, saying if your mind is open then any ‘ole idea could fall in. So think actively and always remember to check your premises.
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  257. @Solvem Probler Studios ❤️
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  258.  @thatnthese7653  I saw an article where Peyton’s father, himself a former NFL player, said he was more proud of his son’s philanthropy towards children than even his time in the NFL. A fantastic legacy
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  259. Her teeth WERE examined, x rays taken & age was provided. From court documents- 2011 EZ Dental estimated 8-9; 2012 Dr Ron Deckard estimated 6-9.
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  260. They said it was the very first night while still in FL. But they never contacted the agency or the Ciccones, drove across 4 states home to IN, finalized adoption 6mos later. You buy that?
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  261.  @tomm2371  I don’t get it. My 2 front teeth look the same as they have since they grew in, except a little less white. Don’t yours?
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  262.  @cadriver2570  I think you’re right about that. I’ve enjoyed the show and past guests as well. I was pretty floored to hear what he had to say about this.
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  263. It is! Diabolical of the Barnetts who defrauded the Court to turn their elementary school age daughter into a legal drinking age adult.
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  264.  @mdnt2607  Wow, small world. I hope when all is said and done, your cousins and Natalia and their other kids are OK. Joe had no business talking about them like this. It’s repugnant
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  265. When Natalia was with her first parents she was treated at Children’s Hospital Boston. FOUR of her doctors also taught at Harvard Medical School. No way could an adult trick them.
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  266.  @zach3955 Did Joe need a docuseries to tell him that it’s preposterous that a child was 14 years older than their birth certificate said?
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  267.  @yeeheestoner223  This video sits in opposition to Joe’s carefully crafted persona. It shows he didn’t do a lick of research or critical thinking
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  268. It’s not a true story. It’s a fictional movie that was inspired by the story of Barbora Skrlova. Now we’ve got the Barnetts taking their alibi from the movie. It’s preposterous
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  269. Yea, that’s all it took to make this ripped-from-the-silver-screen story believable. /s
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  270. They withheld her medical & dental records from the court. All to get her age changed so they could dump a child they no longer had time for since their son got famous. That’s not right
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  271. Her age was changed without ANY medical or dental evidence. So, science was NOT followed. Call me crazy, but I don’t think a kid’s age should be changed from 8 to 22 because “she said so”. You can’t buy a beer based upon you saying “I’m 21”, so why is it ok to change a kid’s age based upon that? Shouldn’t medical x rays and dental x rays be Required?
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  272.  @jimmyrecce8787  They knew her real age the day they adopted her. This whole “ She was a secret adult” is a lie. Made up so they could “legally” abandon her
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  273.  @TheVeganButcher  He’s aged a lot. Still looks way younger than 28, but not at all like an 8 year old. I was checking out his IG.
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  274.  @bigmona2741  Actually they weren’t dropped yet. Judge put dismissal on hold so the prosecution could appeal. The Court of Appeals will be deciding if the age change prevents child neglect charges or if the prosecution can present the evidence that proves she was a child. Besides a slew of doctors, her birth mother was also found. She is definitely a minor.
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  275. Her original adopters, the Ciccones, went to Ukraine, adopted her, obtained the proper visa and passport for her, and brought her here in July 2008. She was 4 yrs old.
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  276. Her birth mother was located. She gave her up at birth because of her disabilities. She really was a child born in 2003. The parents are the bad ones here
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  277. Except the pictures show a different story. The pictures show a 6yr old in 2010 aging to an adult aged 18 in Sept 2021
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  278. That would have been better than the malignant narcissists
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  279.  @joshuaprendergast8059  The park is Huron Meadows Metropark, Green Oak Township, Livingston County, MI. Thomas Prendergast, born in Ireland, settled there circa 1865
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  280.  @joshuaprendergast8059  It’s serendipity. I always research when I come across a long ago homesite when I’m hiking. This one must have been something back in the day, it over looked the Huron River. The name really stood out to me because I’d never come across it before. I do genealogy so I come across a lot of names. So, nice to meet you, glad I brightened your day as you did mine.
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  281. Those so-called parents are horrific. These other folks supporting their delusional thinking & preposterous allegations surprises me.
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  282. That must have sucked. That guy takes lying to Olympic levels.
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  283. She would have had to seen the movie before July 2008, cause that’s when she entered the US with her new parents, Gary & Dyan Ciccone, with a 4yr olds visa & passport
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  284. Get a grip and see the latest. Unequivocal proof she was a child, victimized by unscrupulous adopters
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  285. Don’t fail to apprehend the biggest lie about this story—This little girl was authentically a young child. The adult-psycho-con-artist was made up by the arrested adoptive parents
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  286.  @captainshakesbeard2453 It would’ve been funny if Joe presented the parents outlandish accusations as the bulksht it was. Instead he referred to the little girl as a bitch & believed the nutty parents
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  287. Hold on, let me ask my daughter.... She said “No, Dumbass!”
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  288. The Mans rescued her shortly after the Barnetts yeeted to Canada. She’s been part of their family since 2013, that’s over 8yrs now.
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  289. Yes, two DNA tests. A maternity DNA test w her biological mom (matched); biological age DNA test (aligned w orig/true age)
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  290. Personally I think they were trying to get her deported. So that she couldn’t tell about whatever dysfunctional stuff was taking place in that home. They had a book deal in the works and had already sold the movie rights. Bad press would have upended that deal because no one buys parenting advice from failed parents. The age they selected for her, 22yrs old in 2012, would mean that she was over 18 when the first family (Ciccones) adopted her in 2008. She derived her US citizenship through that 1st adoption. I think they thought they could get her deported and make the threat to their “fame & fortune” go away. With no one being the wiser. Failing that, now having no power over her because “she’s an adult”, they did the next best thing—Put in an apartment where no one knew her or them and hightailed it to Canada. State Supreme Court cases are a super long shot but I’m hoping these jurists show some integrity and stand up for the adopted children in their State. No adopted child should ever be at risk of a 14 year age adjustment.
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  291. No, the Barnetts watched the movie and thought it would suffice to spin some bullsht to explain their crime.
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  292. Years ago Ukraine was part of Russia. That’s why we used to say “the Ukraine” because Ukraine meant something like “the outskirts”; Ukraine was on the outskirts of Russia. Now that Ukraine is it’s own country it’s just “Ukraine”. Many Ukrainian citizens, and some cities, still speak predominantly Russian. The child in this video spoke Russian when she was brought here at age 4.
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  293. Exactly. Shows when she came here in 2008 she was a young child. Had she been older, she’d likely still have an accent
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  294. Considering that she was actually a child, who was judicially turned into an adult, I imagine this scheme is well loved. A child who comes with a get-out-of-jail-free card. I doubt this is a first.
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  295. Is the solution to adopt a young child then scam the court to add 14 years to their age to make them “legal”
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  296. @KristenP You are super lucky. Especially to have gotten synthetic hormone. Pre 1985 cadaveric hormone was used. Some kids contacted Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease from it because it was contaminated w/prions.
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  297. @Raymond montunez It’s the Barnetts who lied. Her birth mom has been located and DNA tested. This child really was born in 2003
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  298.  @jkz8565  The movie came out before the Barnetts adopted her, but after the 1st family adopted her. It was inspired by Barbora Skrlova. So the movie is Not about her, nor did she copy the movie.
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  299.  @captainshakesbeard2453 If you think this is funny, you gotta watch Dear Zachary. You will be howling w laughter
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  300. Yes it is just like Orphan. A little too much, don’t you think? The movie came out a yr B4 they adopted her
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  301. Funny, until you realize that (1) that’s a lie; she did grow (2) she was an actual child who’s been victimized, first by Barnetts, then by the courts, now by the press.
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  302. Why believe anything the Barnetts claim? Did they show evidence for that Big Red Flag?—No, no evidence
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  303. Exactly!!!
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  304. The movie character was from Estonia, was fictional & was inspired by a real person- Barbora Skrlova. The movie came out 2009. Natalia adopted 2010. Parents copied the movie
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  305. Of course you can tell. It’s ridiculous for them to act like dwarfism makes you look like a child. That series Little Women they look adult. Barnetts are straight up Liars.
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  306. Adults have passed themselves off as teenagers, true, but that’s nothing like what Barnetts claim. They claim she was 18 when she came here at age 4. It’s pure BS. She was a child
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  307. I could see that being possible. I couldn’t see an 18 yr old being able to pass for 4, which is what is claimed in this case.
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  308. Actually, no. Movie came out in 2009. The Barnetts likely came up with their crazy accusations from watching the movie.
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  309.  @spindemdoza9256  Her original birth certificate said she was born Sept 2003. I don’t know about you, but I think MY birth certificate proves my age. So does hers. Of course there’s also physical evidence that backs up the birth certificate. Dr Riggs of Payton Manning Children’s Hospital evaluated her for the purpose of determining her age in Oct 2010 and said she was about 8. Later in June 2012 at Payton Manning she had a full skeletal survey which utilizes x rays and evaluated her growth plates and said she was about 11. Kristine took her to EZ Dental in 2011 and asked them to estimate her age based on her dentition and they said she was between 8 & 9. Then in 2012 Dentist Dr Ronald Deckard took x rays and said she was between 6 & 9. Her first adoptive parents Gary and Dyan Ciccone, who adopted her in Ukraine in July 2008 said she was born September 2003. US immigration issued her a visa utilizing her birth certificate and admitted her to the US. Her birth mother Anna Gava was located and DNA confirmed and her records show she gave birth to Natalia Sept 2003. Prior doctors at Boston Children’s Hospital raised no questions about her age, noting in her records she was a “delightful 5yr old”. As for denying her necessary surgeries, the Barnetts were reported to DHS for this and a letter in her school file from Mike Barnett acknowledged they were behind schedule with her surgeries and that she was in pain because of it. Currently a dr spoke to the detective and said Natalia’s surgeries were denied because her legal age did not match the doctor’s determination of her physical age. As for education, in Indiana you can only attend regular public education until age 22. Because the age change made Natalia legally 22 in 2012, she could not continue as her then present school Washington Woods Elementary nor any other regular public school. As for adding insult to injury, I think that’s obvious.
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  310.  @spindemdoza9256  That’s my original authorship, written for you upon your request. But thanks for the backhanded compliment of thinking it was written by a professional journalist
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  311.  @spindemdoza9256  You didn’t ask where I acquired the information. You asked where I copy and pasted from. I answered you. I didn’t copy and paste. If what you actually wanted to know was where did I get the information, then that’s what you should have asked for. Written communication isn’t your strong point, I see. We were having an argument?? Interesting. I thought you were just someone asking for information, which I provided with very little effort.
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  312. The bad example is that ANOTHER child was adopted from a foreign country only to end up abused & abandoned
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  313. She’s 19 now. Likely playing catch up because of how badly the bs age change F’d her over. New docuseries on MAX. Proves abuse & age
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  314. You’d think the parents being indicted for multiple felonies would have tipped them off as to who the real victim was. But, no, they gotta pile on the sht sandwich this kid already was served.
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  315. Did you find the Skeptic article on the son? Very interesting
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  316. It’s still pending. The prosecution has a laundry list of doctors/dentists/witnesses including the birth mother, who all say she was a child. The defense says Too Late to try to prove she’s a minor cause a judge ruled in 2012 she was an adult. Of course, the 2012 ruling was nothing more than a motion filed with the court and signed 11 days later with a hearing, without evidence submitted, without the girl having a lawyer or GAL, without the girl EVEN BEING THERE, the parents did not even have to be there. The judge signed the order based only upon the motion with no actual hearing at all. So now, The judge ruled that the 2012 age change is controlling. He said he cannot entertain any new evidence about her age including her birth mother. He ruled to dismiss the charges based upon her being a minor. But then he put that ruling on hold, and gave the prosecution the right to appeal. So everything is on hold right now until the Indiana court of appeals makes a decision
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  317.  Prince Smith  Based on Natalia? Well that’s quite a feat considering that 1) She was a child 2) Movie came out a year before the Barnetts adopted her 3) It was inspired by Barbora Skrlova
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  318.  Prince Smith  So, not on Natalia then, unless it’s a movie about crazy parents falsely claiming a child was an adult
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  319.  Prince Smith  Barnetts are similar to how Dee Dee Blanchard claimed her daughter Gypsy Rose was sick and needed a wheelchair when she didn’t.
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  320. You know that movie was based on Barbora Skrlova, right? And it wasn’t anything like the true story. Barb didn’t trick unsuspecting parents. Her & her accomplices were all in the same cult
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  321. In the movie it was hypopituitarism. And she doesn’t have that. She has Diastrophic Dysplasia, it’s unrelated to hormones. Her condition doesn’t make you look younger than you are
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  322.  @goddammitboi Not read it, listened to the psycho Barnetts own son who confirmed they abused her.
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  323. Actually it’s not, movie was inspired by Barbora Skrlova & came out a yr B4 they adopted her. Meaning=they copied the movie
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  324. What’s rare is the Barnett’s fantastical alibi. Child abuse is, sadly, not rare at all.
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  325. Yes but not this real event. Movie inspired by case of cultist Barbora Skrlova. Came out 1yr B4 Natalia adopted. Theory is Barnetts copied movie to try to claim they adopted by real life orphan.
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  326. I’m sure they’d have noticed if it were true.
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  327. Dumbazz. The Barnetts are liars. The only victim here is the adopted disabled kid they F’ed over then ditched. Believing a movie script defense.
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  328. What do you find so entertaining about this clip?
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  329. No, that was Dr Oz who sided with the sociopathic perpetrator. Dr Phil, despite his faults, got this one right when he sided with the victim (and with the truth, I might add)
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  330. Unsurprising, considering that he’s believing the preposterous excuses offered by abusive parents as to why they abandoned their disabled adopted child.
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  331.  @michaelarmstrong3740  So you believe the criminal defendants alibi? Pretty far fetched don’t you think? That a 6 yr old was really 20?? Come on.
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  332.  @michaelarmstrong3740  Are you referencing a fictional movie?
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  333.  @076reynolds9  No, she has Diastrophic Dysplasia which causes disproportionate dwarfism & other joint issues. The Barnetts were fully informed of her condition & the surgeries she needed. They provided only 1. She was born 2003. They had her birth year changed to 1989. They claim she wasn’t really 6, but was 20 yrs old instead. Soon as they got her age changed (without any hearing whatsoever) they placed her in an apartment alone.
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  334. She’s 17. She will turn 18 later this year. They abandoned her back in 2013
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  335. Indiana certainly seems to go soft on child abusers. CPS could have prevented this had they put the smack down on Barnetts after her elementary school Washington Woods reported how much pain Natalia was in because they were neglecting her surgical needs. But they hemmed and hawed, meanwhile Barnetts came up with their scheme to get out of trouble- Their novel age change petition. Make the 8 yr old into a 22 yr old and Violá! Not child abuse since she’s instantly an adult.
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  336. Yes but not this event. This is a real child and a case of abuse. The movie was inspired by a Barbora Skrlova
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  337. No, just a kid getting sht on instead of the degenerates who abandoned her
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  338. Except Joe DID adopt. In real life. Pretty sick the biased stuff he’s saying against adoptees
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  339. Diego Ramirez Oh no! You buy this? You buy that an adult, an 18yr old, successfully sauntered pass US immigration with a passport saying she was 4? Naw. Barnetts are liars
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  340. If only they weren’t laughing at a disabled 16 yr old girl w dwarfism who was seriously mistreated by the ones she called mom & dad
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  341. Seriously? It was so obvious Joe was joking, but still irresponsible of him. It’s been over 8 yrs now and they are still a happy family. The Barnetts deserve to pay for what they did to this kid.
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  342. Yea, how do you think Barnetts came up with this fantastical story?
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  343.  @dickrichard5579  It really is. Reminds me of Chris Watts trying to claim his wife killed the children, so he killed her. The ‘ole Shutter Island defense. But using Orphan is quite the novelty
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  344. Orphan was a fictional movie, just like the Barnetts claims. They were arrested because she really was a minor child when they heartlessly abandoned her
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  345. If only Epstein had been as crafty as Barnetts!! All you gotta do is adopt a kid internationally, then have your good buddy Judge approve your age change petition. NOW SHE’S LEGAL
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  346.  @cedrickwhite1511 I was pretty shocked that Joe didn’t immediately realize the Barnetts were full of sht
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  347. The movie is what the crazy parents copied their accusations from, it came out a year before they adopted her
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  348. Yes. And USCIS has now issued her documents w her correct (original) birthdate of Sept 2003
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  349. No, she was really born 2003. The drs & dentists say so, then her birth mom was located. This kid has been royally screwed over
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  350. They’ve raised her for 7 years. They’ve been at her dr appointments. They’ve seen ALL her records. The only people brainwashed are the dipshts who think this kid was an adult. It’s preposterous
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  351.  @ghostface320  On the contrary. It’s the research I’ve done which has led me to support Natalia. I understand the Mans are very devout Christians. I see a family practicing what they preach.
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  352. At 4:07 upper rt photo, she’s missing teeth. But they said she had all adult teeth. They lied and their own photos prove it.
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  353.  @randominternetofthings5682  I’m sorry but what’s your point? They knew she had dwarfism when they adopted her. Her form of dwarfism, Diastrophic Dysplasia, doesn’t effect losing baby teeth or adult teeth growing in.
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  354. The reality is that people are joking about a child whose birth certificate got changed & then was abandoned with impunity
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  355.  @emeyeare  Not to be a downer, but I’m wondering in a different direction- How many internationally adopted children are transformed into legal adults for nefarious purposes. At the worst for trafficking or photography, at the best for an advantage for sports purposes.
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  356. The movie came out a year before they adopted her. The movie was inspired by Barbora Skrlova, but is not her story, it’s fictional. Barnetts likely borrowed scenarios from the movie.
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  357. Exactly. The doctor at Harvard affiliated Boston Children’s Hospital wrote in her medical record that she was a “delightful 5 year old” girl. No way was she 19 at that moment like Barnetts say.
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  358. She was a child. They deserve jail time.
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  359. The parents copied it scene for scene. Sure isn’t a believable story
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  360. Gary and Dyan Ciccones were her 1st adoptive parents. They’re the one who went to Ukraine and adopted her. Obviously they didn’t “return her”, that’s not how it works. They couldn’t meet her needs so they used an agency and found her new parents. Barnetts adopted her from them. As reprehensible as that is, at least they didn’t abandon her like Barnetts did
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  361. SHE, not “it”. Pretty creepy to call her “it”
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  362. We already have the truth. She was an actual child. Barnetts are liars
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  363. Meanwhile, when this aired she had already been rescued by a new family, in 2013. STILL lives w them, no issues
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  364.  @DOMUSMAXIMUS  I understand that is the parents position, but there is so much more to the story that hasn’t been told. The Barnetts, through the use of an actual Public Relations firm, has controlled the narrative since their arrests. While it is true that they obtained a court order to change her birth year from 2003 to 1989, back in June 2012, that was obtained through fraudulent means. They withheld from the court her actual medical and dental records which established she was in fact a minor child. The judge, inexplicably, ordered the change without holding an evidentiary hearing. He didn’t meet Natalia, he heard no testimony, worse- she had no representation: No child’s attorney, no GAL, no CASA, nothing. A real miscarriage of Justice occurred. She went from age 8 to age 22, unheard of, with the stroke of a pen. Now, however, the state is attempting to right the wrong which occurred. Despite her birth mother being located and confirmed via DNA testing, the Barnetts may succeed with their devious plan. But whether or not they are ultimately punished, one thing is clear—Natalia was not and is not an adult. She is currently 17 yrs old.
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  365.  @DOMUSMAXIMUS  I started out just like everyone else. But as time went on and I saw this kid, this victim, being excoriated by the masses, and learned of all the Barnetts were doing to defame her, it did get personal to me. They are using their money, their fame, their connections to further harm this innocent girl. As if they haven’t already hurt her enough. Seriously, she cannot even get the surgeries she needs because of the fraudulent age change (per her Dr in the probable cause affidavit). Her physical pain is an 8 out of 10 every day (per her doctor). If our military were causing that kind of pain to a detainee it would be called Torture. They’ve destroyed her childhood and foreclosed her future. So, no, I just ain’t havin it. I feel a moral obligation to counter their false narrative with the truth.
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  366. They are both off. This girl was a real child and neither one stopped to think critically or look at the evidence
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  367. Yea but the movie wasn’t anything like the real story of Barbora Skrlova. The girl Joe is so cruelly mocking was a real child who isn’t turning 18 until next month.
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  368.  @dill3056  The parents in this story copied the allegations, fashioned their story/alibi after the movie.
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  369. A family from the east coast decided to adopt from Ukraine. They traveled there, were matched with her, adopted her, then brought her back home. Her medical/surgical needs and caretaking proved too much so they contacted an adoption agency that did “second chance” adoptions. The agency found Barnetts and the Ciccones brought her to them at the agency. Barnetts took her home, waited the statutory 6 months, then finalized the adoption in their county courthouse in Indiana. Then Barnetts son started getting famous and they didn’t need her anymore to satisfy their narcissistic desires. Plus they had CPS breathing down their necks as they were already accused of neglecting her. So they got rid of their “problem” and yeeted out of the country.
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  370. He did!! He admitted they Knew she was a child all along. Read the probable cause document https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6454753-Probable-Cause-Affidavit.html
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  371. If you’re in LaFayette that’s actually where the nice people were. The ones who rescued her after the loser Barnetts ditched her so bio son could go to school in Canada.
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  372.  @factsdontcareaboutyourfeel7204  She’s still with the family who took her in 9 years ago now, back in August 2013.
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  373.  @factsdontcareaboutyourfeel7204  Original family- Ciccones of NH, adopted her July 2008 in Ukraine. Barnetts (May 2010) are 2nd family (now divorced; charged w felony neglect); Mans are 3rd family (unofficial parents since Aug 2013)
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  374.  @factsdontcareaboutyourfeel7204  I was clarifying your info. You said “some woman” adopted her during the trial, when it was a husband & wife and long before Barnetts arrest.
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  375.  @factsdontcareaboutyourfeel7204  Yea, journalism these days is often woefully inaccurate
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  376.  @beanybabyrabie  What’s so remarkable about a 9yr old using a microwave & feeding their self? The parents did all the adulting & grocery shopping. She has her permanent teeth now because she’s 18. Pics show baby teeth in her earlier years
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  377. You talk about researching this but clearly you haven’t taken your own advice. Your comment is filled with outright falsehoods
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  378. Did U know the judge didn’t hold an evidentiary hearing B4 changing her age? He saw NO med records, talked to NO drs, No GAL, didn’t even meet her.
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  379. She was doing so poorly at 1st apt that multiple reports were made to CPS. CPS believed she was a child but the age change scheme shielded the Barnetts.
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  380.  @emilyparker5723  You are saying SO MANY false things that frankly I’m finding it hard to think your just a random person. How could 1 person get so much wrong accidentally? Interesting. You say the Dr Phil episode is almost a decade old? How could you possibly make that mistake?? The Barnetts were arrested & charged in Sept 2019. They gave interviews because of their charges in Sept & Oct 2019. Dr Phil episode filmed Oct 2019, aired Nov 2019. Almost a decade old, huh?? Seems more like purposeful spreading of misinformation, to me. You say she threatened the new family and they booted her and no one knows where she is?? Ridiculous Emily. That didn’t happen. She still lives happily w the Mans as you can see on their social media. It is UNDISPUTED that there was No hearing of any kind that changed her age. Meaning the Barnetts are not even claiming what YOU say occurred. The Barnetts admit in court documents that there wasn’t a hearing before her age was changed. They filed an Ex Parte emergency petition and without ever stepping foot in court, 11 days later the judge signed the order changing her from birth yr 2003 to 1989. She attended LARA for about 2 months. Warmed a seat. Didn’t get a GED. Notably, AGAIN the Barnetts are NOT claiming she got a GED, so why are you claiming that Emily? No one except Barnetts claim she was violent or threatening. Why are you claiming she had a long “rap sheet”? Name 1 person who made such a claim besides Kristy or Mikey Barnett—- I’ll wait. She wasn’t in foster care. The Barnetts claim they saved her from going INTO foster care. She was diagnosed with Diastrophic Dysplasia by Dr Samantha Spencer, Harvard Medical School Professor, at Children’s Hospital Boston in 2008. It doesn’t concern growth hormones and doesn’t make the person look younger than they are. Mrs Nicole DePaul, who tried to adopt her before Barnetts, has Diastrophic Dysplasia as well and you can see Nicole looks her age. Refused more testing?? On the contrary, she submitted to DNA testing along with her birth mother and the woman who claimed to be her birth mother was DNA confirmed. Original hospital birth records show she genuinely was born 2003 and was not lying about her age. Seriously, Emily, why are you really commenting?
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  381. Yes. When Barnetts adopted her she was in 1st grade, due to go into 2nd unless the May adoption caused her to repeat 1st grade. We know from the detectives affidavit that she was in elementary school because the detective mentioned her school. He said there was a letter in her school file from Michael Barnett acknowledging that they knew they were behind on her surgeries and she was suffering because of that. We also know they were reported to CPS twice so it’s likely the school made the reports.
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  382. Here’s 2 doctor evaluations where the specialists actually told Barnutts that she was a child. Oh, and the dad confessed. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6454753-Probable-Cause-Affidavit.html
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  383. More like The truth always comes to Light. The Barnetts did exactly what they’re accused of doing—abandoned a child. Despite their fraudulently obtained age change. She was a real child
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  384. It is a lot like Gypsy Rose. I see a lot of similarities between mom Kristine Barnett and Dee Dee Blanchard. Both imposed factitious disorders on their daughter’s.
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  385. A little TOO similar, don’t you think?
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  386. Just like here. The dentists knew by her teeth. X rays in 2011 & 2012 yielded age estimates of 8-9, and 6-9. That’s why Barnetts withheld her dental records. They knew she’s a child
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  387. No. The writer said he drew inspiration from the story of Barbora Skrlova. But it’s fictional, not Barbora’s story. It came out in 2009. Barnetts apparently copied the script
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  388. Once people fall for the lie, it’s almost impossible for them to see the truth. Barnetts are lying child abusers.
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  389. Yes but they need good parents like the ones who rescued her, not evil parents adopting for clout then dumping the kid when it’s not fulfilling anymore like Barnetts and Stauffers did.
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  390. Especially don’t let misinformation and vilification of a child victim deter anyone. Joe just mindlessly ran with the defendants story. Actual fact checking shows this was a scheme by the parents
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  391. You know what’s worse? The fact US courts lets Americans turn their adopted grade school children into instant adults, in ex parte hearings closed to the public.
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  392. When you grow up you’ll discover that thinking doesn’t make it so
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  393. They knew she had dwarfism. Do you think people with dwarfism were never children? She was a child. Their story is preposterous. They abandoned a real child
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  394. You believe this guy? Calling a teen girl a bitch at the national level. Outrageous. Who knew he was such an apologist for child abusers?
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  395. Vegan Penguin You responded to me just to say that? Hilarious
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  396. @Sushi Midnight Nah, it’s all good.
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  397. @Declan Dorsey The irony. I don’t know whether to laugh or to feel sorry for you.
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  398. @Declan Dorsey You catch on real quick
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  399. @Declan Dorsey “Someone” could, Natalia does not. She has Diastrophic dysplasia. It’s a bone/cartilage disorder, genetic. Makes you shorter, joint issues. Not hormonal.
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  400. Declan Dorsey Declan asked “why can’t someone have a genetic mutation that MAKES THEM LOOK YOUNGER.” Emphasis added. I didn’t agree it could make them look 6. Nice try
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  401. @Declan Dorsey I bet you’re thumbing thru Guinness Book right now. Lol.
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  402. @Declan Dorsey Reading is fundamental
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  403.  @jaynehogue2459  This is a story Joe got really wrong. This girl was an actual child. Her adoptive parents got her age changed by simply filing a court motion. There was NO hearing before the elementary school aged child was turned into a drinking aged adult then immediately kicked out of her home. It is so wrong what they did to her. Then after finally being caught they tell a movie tale alibi and for some crazy reason people buy it and add insult to injury. It’s nuts. Her birth mom, medical and dental records all say she was a child. Even the goofy movie Orphan didn’t happen that way in real life. In real life, Orphan was inspired by the story of Barbora Skrlova. Barbora and all the adults were in the same cult that Barbora’s father was the leader of. An offshoot of the Grail Movement. They were all in on it. Barbora didn’t trick unsuspecting parents into adopting her.
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  404.  @isaiahflores2840  Yet they didn’t. But now I hear there’s a prequel, & through the magic of Hollywood, body doubles & CGI they’re using the same actress, so I’ll be curious to see & may need to recant
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  405.  @rosariovaccaro9268  You need to understand that everyone with dwarfism is not the same. Hasbulla has a growth hormone deficiency. That does make you look younger. Natalia has Diastrophic Dysplasia. It is unrelated to growth hormones. It primarily effects your long bones. It does not slow aging or make you appear younger. Look at the reality show Little Women. None of those women look younger than they are.
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  406.  @rosariovaccaro9268  True, I was a bit hyperbolic with that statement
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  407.  @thewind6047  I said my statement was a bit hyperbolic, but in general it’s true. But even Hasbulla wouldn’t pass for a child upon x ray. He wouldn’t have growth plates
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  408.  @thewind6047  Nothing says soft spot like ditching your disabled child who can barely walk into a rat hole upper flat with exterior staircase in northern Indiana.
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  409. They had 14 years added to her legitimate age. Went from elementary school age to drinking age. Sounds NAMBLA-ish
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  410. Yes I laugh so hard at abused children who get screwed over by their sht adoptive parents. Second only to laughing when mom’s boyfriend kllz ‘em
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  411. Team Natalia 💯
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  412. Do you realize her birth mother was found? Her name is Anna Gava. She’s 41. And this may come as a shock to you, but...She’s Ukrainian, living in...Ukraine. She was confirmed by DNA
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  413. Clever?? Joe can’t even figure out that the Barnetts are lying child abusers
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  414. No, she says she’s 16 now, because she is. Her original birth certificate said born in 2003
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  415. How does one “act like an adult” in an interview?
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  416.  @dragonchaserkev  How do you expect a 16 year old would act?
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  417.  @dragonchaserkev  Well there’s a million of us just like me, who cuss like me, who just don’t give a F like me, who dress like me, walk, talk and act like me
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  418. He knew alright. Knew she was a child. Who knows what this fraudulent age change was designed to conceal? Her birth mother has now been found and all her documents support the 2003 birth year
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  419. Except it was the Barnetts pretending she was an adult. Kinda like if your parents told you that you were a girl when you were a boy. This kid is the innocent victim here
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  420. Nothing. Because she didn’t. The parents are lying.
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  421. So this is what the ped o are doing? Adopting children then getting a judge to declare them adults, wink wink, so it’s all good. Then when caught, calling the CHILD a scammer? Horrifying
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  422. But is it worse than perpetuating the fantastical lies of the criminal defendant adoptive parents?
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  423. After all the info, photos & documents that have come out it’s perplexing anyone still believes she had been an adult. Easy to fool someone, hard to convince them they were fooled
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  424. Joe jumped the gun on this story. The kid really was a kid. It’s the adoptive parents who were the bad ones
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  425. And a 6 yr old little girl with dwarfism is not a 20 yr old adult scammer either
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  426. Definitely. You’ll see exactly where the Barnetts got their fantastical allegations from. Almost scene for scene. Movie came out 2009, they adopted her 2010
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  427. It was. But apparently it’s too late. Legal technicalities and all. But they are still charged with felony neglect of a dependent r/t her disabilities
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  428. User name checks out ✅
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  429. It’s the Barnetts who are the freaks. Could have cost this girl her life. Fortunately the Mans stepped up and took her in. All the way back in 2013. Been there happily ever since
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  430.  @dakotareid1566  Science cannot determine a persons exact age, only within about a 3y range for children . The best available methods are growth plates analysis (children only, adults do not have growth plates) and dental evaluation. Natalia had both done. The parents are lying when they claim bone scans showed she was an adult. The actual results from her records were (2010) approximately 8y old; (2012) approximately 11y old. Dental results were (2011) approximately 8-9y old; (2012) approximately 6-9y old. These results are inline with her original birth certificate saying born Sept 2003.
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  431.  @dakotareid1566  No she never had a bone density test showing she was 22. The petition they filed to get her age changed was leaked by Kristine to the press. I’ve read it. There is No mention of that in the petition. In fact, there’s no mention anywhere in any of their other filings a single test or x Ray that indicated she was an adult or even a teenager. Not a single one. You probably think “there HAD to be” some scientific evidence before a judge went an added 14 years to an 8 year old’s birth certificate, but there was not. This is unconscionable, but it did happen. No hearing on it either. An ex Parte petition was filed, judge didn’t so much as meet the child, and Violá, 11 days later she’s legally an adult.
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  432.  @Vexarax  Wow! Thanks for that. Glare did make a video from DePauls photos and documents, but she could have went a lot harder on Barnetts. I also saw a video that the DePauls daughter made, defending Natalia. I’ve spoken to them in the comments in the past. Some people have been very unkind to them as well. This is such a miscarriage of justice. I hope with all the notoriety a bull dog of an attorney steps up to represent her in a civil suit against ALL who have wronged her.
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  433. Actually, Billie is about 2 years older than Natalia. I see a slight resemblance in some photographs when Billie wore her hair darker.
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  434. RTG has photos from a family that were taken 6 months before Barnetts adopted her https://youtu.be/vBSl9jS4oFI
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  435. More like the parents stole the script as the template for their accusations and alibi. Like Fotis Dulos denying he harmed his ex and claimed she was pulling a Gone Girl.
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  436. This was the opposite of a good deed. Her bio mom has been located and she really was a child. But they might get away with it because of their craftiness of getting her age changed
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  437. Yet the mom giving baths 5 months before Barnetts say they are lying
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  438. Naw, cause after hearing how they laughed at a victim of child abuse, I don’t listen anymore. Who does this? Who isn’t smart enough to figure it out in minutes that Barnetts are liars?
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  439. Look up her name for yourself and you’ll see that she actually had baby teeth when the Barnetts adopted her. Only her 2 front teeth were adult. The Barnetts lied, she was a child
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  440. If someone tried to kill you, you’d go to the authorities. Not get them an apartment. Nothing about their story seems plausible, and that’s before you even learn she was really 6
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  441. Authorities DID notice. But Barnetts had already had her age legally changed and there wasn’t anything they could do. Finally cops investigated in earnest for 5+yrs and arrested them
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  442. Pretty much. Criminals these days. Too lazy to make up their own alibis. Borrowing from movies. Some wife killer tried the same thing, claimed she was pulling a Gone Girl
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  443.  @mikael7071  Because she doesn’t need adopting. She has a family who loves her very much. She’s lived with them since they rescued her back in August 2013. But I will be assisting her as soon as the gag order is lifted.
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  444.  @mikael7071  Thank you
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  445.  @bighands69  Absolutely not. Those are stories they’re telling now to distract from their own psychotic behavior. Falsely getting a child re-aged to adult then dumping her. Slick mf’ers
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  446.  @bighands69  Her birth mother Anna Gava has been confirmed by DNA. Her birth date really is Sept 2003. Not Sept 1989 as the Barnetts alleged. They got the court to change it by withholding her actual med & dental records
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  447.  @Knifetoagunfight17  Who is this “we”? Cause her doctors beg to differ. Hell, 4 of her early doctors also teach at frickin Harvard Medical School. They certainly can distinguish a child from an adult
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  448.  @Knifetoagunfight17  Speaking of dentists, Barnetts took her twice for age evaluation. In 2011, EZ Dental said she was 8-9; 2012 Dr Deckard said she was 6-9. X rays don’t lie. She was a child
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  449. Awe that’s so mean. She was evaluated by drs at Payton Manning, dentists too. X rays showed growth plates, baby teeth. They lied about her age, now are trying to discredit her. She’s just a profoundly disabled kid who was seriously mistreated
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  450. No, the movie is fictional. But it was inspired by a true story of a woman named Barbora Skrlova. The girl Joe is laughing about was actually a real child who got screwed over
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  451. I can’t even imagine having that guy in a position of superiority over me. He is a degenerate coward who let his even crazier 1st wife convince him of utter bullsht. He left a child in the hood to fend for herself. Years later I see him crying on faceB that Kristine “abused” and “controlled” him and how he needed 4 straight Years of therapy because of her. Last I read his sons want nothing to do with him and haven’t talked to him in years. I’m curious, what did you and the people you worked with think of him?
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  452. If your speaking of the people who believe the parents outlandish story, then yeah you’re right.
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  453. Sadly, I think we already had some corrupt people that were born here. Take her adoptive parents for example
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  454. It’s been 10 years, where’s that thesis? No where. Mom’s claims about him were probably no more truthful that her claims about the girl
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  455. No documentation? What? They had her birth certificate, passport, medical records AND the first families Adoption Decree. Plus they met the 1st family. It wasn’t closed no matter what they claim
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  456. Barnetts didn’t take kids in. They have 3 sons, biologically theirs, all are adults now and none of them speak to their father. Seriously dysfunctional family long before Natalia per Mike’s FaceB posts
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  457. It turned out the sisters were part of the cult (yes, a splinter group off of the Grail Movement). They weren’t tricked by Barbora. In fact, Barbora’s father was the leader of the cult. Eventually Barbora was tracked down. She was being hidden by another cult member and passing as his son. Barbora was convicted for her role in the abuse and death. Only did about 3 yrs in prison. Her brother also was part of it and convicted. Wild true story. Oh, and FYI Natalia actually was a child when Barnetts adopted her. Barnetts clearly copied the movie Orphan as a template for their preposterous allegations.
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  458. Yes. And you gotta wonder how many kids have been adopted internationally for the sole purpose of getting their age changed later so a pedo can “be legal”
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  459.  @knewt0  Mom’s trial postponed (again) to April 10-14. Since dad was acquitted, he is now being forced to testify at mom’s trial and therefore we may see a better outcome come April. Hopefully
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  460.  @theresonly2genders857  She talked like a very intelligent teen. The fraudulent age change denied her the opportunity to attend school with her peers. She was socialized by adults. Still a teen, though
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  461. That movie came out before the Barnetts adopted her. It has nothing to do with her, the Barnetts merely plagiarized the script as a template for their accusations
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  462. She has dwarfism. You’re born with it. That means even little kids have it
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  463. She’s part of a black/interracial family, since 2013. Trying to get justice for her ever since.
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  464. Yea maybe they can make fun of Jon Benet Ramsey next. Or one of those 3 girls held captive in Cleveland for 10yrs. Or that Child Called It guy. So funny....
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  465. That’s by design. The mom said “It’s just like Orphan”. I say Nice Try Kristine, Your story is as fictional as the movie.
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  466. When your alibi mirrors a Hollywood movie, you just might be lyin…
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  467. She actually did grow. Anyone can see that in the photos when they are in correct chronological order. Because she really was 6 when they adopted her
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  468.  @staison999  Where do you stand on this story? Do you think an 18 yr old successfully passed herself off as a 4 yr old to get adopted? (Natalia is from Mykolaiv originally)
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  469. Ten years from now I hope she’s sitting on a big fat civil judgement she received from every single abuser and enabler. This poor kid is 17 now. Oh, and still with the ones who rescued her in 2013
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  470. I’d love to watch him call one of the Klitschko brothers a Russian.
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  471. Exactly. They expect people to believe their preposterous Hollywood alibi. The truth is they are nothing but common liars and abusers
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  472. There was no mystery to her age. This was all contrived by the parents. They did take her for dental eval- Twice. 2011 est 8-9; 2012 est 6-9
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  473. Easy to see how the Barnetts came up with their story/defense/alibi isn’t it?
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  474.  @aaronlaferty1676  Joe & Tim certainly told it like it was funny. The truth is a child was severely neglected, made more disabled, lives in pain, has no education, & is defamed worldwide.
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  475.  @aaronlaferty1676  I think they believed the parents version.
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  476.  @aaronlaferty1676  You sound like a normal person. A lot of the commenters are not.
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  477. Imagine if the Barnetts had evidence to prove she tried to kill them. Imagining is all you can do, because they have No evidence. They are the liars, nor her
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  478. For someone of his stature to make fun of an abused child! Very sick.
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  479. But a lot of crime sure goes unpunished. Still waiting for these diabolical parents to be punished for passing this kid off as an adult
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  480. The Barnetts are the opposite of kind. Their behavior has deprived a child of life enhancing surgeries and an education.
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  481. 1st family Ciccones adopted her 2008. Movie came out 2009. Barnutts adopted her 2010. Their secret Ex Parte hearing in 2012.
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  482. Mighty fine Christian sentiment you’re expressing
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  483. @Gerald O'Hare Mister, you likened adopting children to purchasing a used car. Called vulnerable human beings “other people’s problems.” If your own words don’t give you pause, nothing I say will.
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  484. @Gerald O'Hare So you intended your original comment as a condemnation, to a certain extent, of adopters or adoption or adoptees? Because it sounded like you viewed the children as a “problem”. A problem which belonged to “other people”.
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  485. @Gerald O'Hare To each their own. Every child is a child of God. Take care.
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  486. @Gerald O'Hare Virtue signaling? From the white man who posts a church service video from a church with a black congregation? While he denigrates orphans? Talk about projection and hypocrisy. But I did mean it when I said “take care”. You’re a nam vet like my dad and I don’t have a clue how feels to walk a mile in your shoes. So I chose to be nicer than I started out. You chose to be...who you are.
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  487. @Gerald O'Hare Vulnerable children up for adoption are worthy of being referred to with language reflective of their inherent worth as human beings. I would urge you to consider that. You can still educate potential adopters. They should be educated prior to making a lifetime commitment. But children are not a commodity and should never be referred to as such.
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  488. @Gerald O'Hare What words would those be exactly?
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  489. @Gerald O'Hare Mister, do you not realize this is a made up story? And not even a very good one. If you like horror stories, might I recommend Stephen King? Great parallels between The Stand and COVID these days.
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  490. JLD Reactions Actually it’s the adopters who put the kid through hell. They defrauded the court to get her age changed, then dumped a 9yr old disabled child in an apt & yeeted to Canada.
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  491. JLD Reactions Yes I watched the video. Joe is a moron for blindly parroting the criminal defendants fantastical alibi that’s clearly ripped from a movie script.
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  492. I wish that were true. I wish a little girl wasn’t really taken from a Ukrainian orphanage with the promise of a loving family only to be rehomed like a dog 2yrs later, then re-aged & ditched.
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  493. She grew. You can see it in her photos. She had baby teeth & doesn’t now. Joe should have done some research before mindlessly promoting the arrested parents alibi.
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  494. That’s correct. She’s Ukrainian, her native language was Russian, but is a US citizen now.
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  495. 40 year old Ukrainian Birth mother was revealed last week to be CONFIRMED by DNA. But.but.but Barnutts said she’s 30 and didn’t speak the language. Fail!! Lying Scumbags
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  496. It’s crazy that anyone believes the Barnetts
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  497.  @chanceneck8072  Joe & Tim are repeating the arrested adoptive parents claims. The a parents did in fact get a judge to amend the child’s birth certificate from 2003 to 1989. And THAT is the real story right there- Adoptive parents being allowed to change their kids year of birth by FOURTEEN years, without any hearing whatsoever, simply on the basis of an ex Parte petition, sight unseen. And this happened in America. A child turned into a legal adult without due process, then abandoned.
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  498.  @chanceneck8072  She has a form of dwarfism caused by Diastrophic Dysplasia. This isn’t hormonal related, not a lack of growth hormones, makes you shorter with other physical issues but doesn’t make you look younger. For evidence Do a search for Barnett probable cause affidavit, and read the medical & dental evidence, it was reposted on twitter by a Lisa Fan, also see article about birth mom being confirmed by DNA in the Journal and Courier from Aug 27 2020 (few outlets reported it). Barnetts have been handed some legal victories when the court dismissed half the charges due to Statute of Limitations and the other half said they can only proceed on the basis of disability, not age, due to legal technicalities. So the Barnetts are going to trial later this year, but the State is prevented from introducing the slam dunk evidence she was a child. See also the blog called Justice For Natalia Grace
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  499.  @chanceneck8072  Thanks for reading! This is a story, an injustice, I’m very passionate about. She has been with the same family that rescued her back in 2013. In that regard I’m sure she’s fine. But this world wide defamation has had to take a toll. Maybe some amazing lawyer will step up to assist her after the trials are over and the gag order on her (and Barnetts) is lifted.
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  500. Which results? Endocrinologist Dr Riggs in 2010 telling them she was approx 8? Or the Orthopedic surgeon at Payton Manning Children’s Hospital telling them she was approx 11 in 2012? Or EZ Dental telling them in 2011 she was btwn 8&9? Or dentist Dr Ronald Deckard telling them in 2012 she was btwn 6&9? Please, clarify this for me.
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  501.  @michaelfapgod4598  Actually you’re not really arguing at all. You went on with “But” without ever offering a rebuttal to the expert opinions that were referred previously. You seem determined to simply accept the parents accusations without giving it any critical thinking whatsoever. Especially your baseless idea that somehow her authentic age would be magically restored “if she were really” a child. She is really a child, actually a teen. It took a 5yrs long investigation for a detective to finally gather enough evidence to prove exactly what the Barnetts had done. But you think a child without means or legal guardians should have been able to right this wrong long ago? This is the real world, not a television show with happy endings after 50 minutes. You must still think we have a justice system, rather than what we really have, which is a legal system. But, hey, the abusers may actually have pulled off the perfect crime. You should be happy about that. For now, at least, until the Court of Appeals makes a decision about whether or not the state can even present the basically irrefutable evidence that she was a child.
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  502. robert Walters Obviously the BarNutts crafted their fantastical story on the movie.
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  503. There wasn’t a movie about “this”. There was a fictional movie, Orphan, that was inspired by a real person but wasn’t that person’s actual story. Movie came out a yr before Barnetts adopted Natalia.
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  504. Knowing LaFayette, can you imagine the risk to a tiny, defenseless little girl left all alone in an upper flat, in a city where she knows no one, and everyone who did know her has no idea she’s there??
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  505. Of course they did. EZ dental 2011 said she was 8-9. Dr Ronald Deckard 2012 said she was 6-9. Do you understand now? She was a kid, they knew, they dumped her anyways. Real degenerates
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  506. Suuure, she came heavily armed with lemon pledge and thumbtacks. Terrifying /s
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  507. The family before this had her for 2 years. They’re the one who brought her back from Ukraine when she was 4. Are people really that stupid to think an 18yr old passed for freakin 4?
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  508. It sure was. Not a very creative alibi from Barnetts
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  509. They never called the cops!! No, apparently when someone’s an international con artist psycho killer you just get Em an apartment 😂 utter rubbish. Barnetts are lying.
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  510.  @HILLBILLY_HARD  Maybe she would, after the Barnetts criminal case has concluded. Right now she is being silenced, the Barnetts gag order was extended to include her. Doesn’t seem fair, especially considering Mike Barnett hired a PR firm to promote their narrative and it’s no secret that PR firms love to AstroTurf social media.
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  511. That unblinking bug eyed dude said so, so it must be true
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  512. Bone density is fairly worthless for estimating a persons age. The best way for determining child vs adult is through growth plates. Kids have em, adults don’t. Natalia had them still in 2017
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  513. Orphan was inspired by Barbora Skrlova. It’s actually a fictional movie. Here, Natalia was an actual child. The Barnetts didn’t even meet her until 2010. They plagiarized the script.
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  514.  @squalman8567 The orphanage didn’t know because there was Nothing TO know. She was genuinely a child
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  515. I wouldn’t go buying him a plane ticket to Stockholm just yet
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  516. Scott M He’s 22 now. Only has a bachelor degree (In Independent Studies from University of Waterloo); still listed as a doctoral student at Perimeter; 2 journal pubs; Very good, Not Great
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  517. @Scott M Yes I’m sure. I will link to his thesis that was completed to earn his B.I.S. Bachelor of Independent Studies. Here is why journalists get it wrong when reporting—The program Jacob entered in 2013 at Perimeter is at the graduate/masters level. Generally the students already have a bachelor degree and their work in the Scholars International program satisfies credit towards a masters degree. But Jacob did not have a bachelor degree, so his satisfactory completion of the 1yr program was part of his independent studies program to satisfy the requirements for a bachelor degree. Understand that Perimeter does not give degrees, but classes taken there are accorded credit because Perimeter has a agreement with University of Waterloo and UofW actually confers the credit or degrees. It IS very prestigious to be accepted at Perimeter. But a bachelor of independent study rather than a BS in Physics? Or if he’d had his bachelors already he could have earned towards a masters degree like all the other students. I think this is indicative of his parents not having his best interests at heart and selling hype in order to sell books, at his detriment. https://uwspace.uwaterloo.ca/bitstream/handle/10012/10827/Barnett_Jacob.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
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  518. Scott M There are so many layers to the story about Jacob. One that most people overlook concerns the continuing promotion of Jacob as a person on the autism spectrum. What Kristine revealed in her book and on her old website accessible via wayback machine is that Jacob currently does NOT have autism. You read that correctly. He had a comprehensive examination by Dr Carl Hale, neuropsychologist, at age 10/11 and Dr Hale reported that Jacob did not meet the diagnostic requirements for an autism diagnosis and that he should consider himself “Fully Recovered”! Here is a news report that references that (but you could read it in her book or look at Jacob’s Place in the wayback machine) https://www.idsnews.com/article/2011/03/12-year-old-boy-studies-physics-tutors-others-at-iupui
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  519. Scott M Jacob is still at Perimeter and is listed as a doctoral student. I saw that he went to Japan for a year a while back, to someplace having to do with physics (the name escapes me). So he seems to be doing very well. As much as I dislike his parents, I hold no animus towards Jacob and hope he is happy. I don’t think his parents did him any favors. According to something the dad posted a while back, all the brothers are estranged from the dad and haven’t seen him in years, possibly since the dad left Canada and filed for divorce in Feb 2014. He posted about being in therapy for 4 yrs due to being “abused” and “controlled” by Kristine. Rather than refer to her by name, he referred to her as “evil” as if it were her name. Kristine is now in FL. I think the youngest at 16 is with her and the other brother 18 is still in Canada. Kristine wrote that the 2 younger sons graduated homeschool high school at 10 & 12. She appeared to be suggesting that they were gifted as well, but with the passage of time it looks more like she destroyed their educational opportunities. ((Edit—the dad was in therapy, Not Jacob))
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  520. @Scott M When Jacob was first written about in 2011, it was reported that he had been diagnosed with mild autism or Aspergers at age 2. But as time went on the narrative changed into “Severe autism” & “Doctors told us he may never speak or read or even tie his shoes.” Then the Super Mom Story began in earnest and Kristine basically takes credit for “pulling him out of autism” and “ignoring doctors advice” and simply put trying to take credit for his accomplishments. I think the stories she tells are an artifact of her grandiosity and deceptive personality. Her behavior is reminiscent of other story tellers like the 9/11 survivor scammer Tania Head, and even Elizabeth Holmes of Theranos IMO. Now this fraudulent Orphan story after being caught for having abandoned their disabled adopted daughter. The not-so-perfect plan blew up.
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  521. The movie Orphan is where the parents came up with this preposterous story. This girl was an actual child
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  522. @Sasha This was a genuine 8yr old little girl who was judicially turned into a 22yr old Instantly. I doubt she is the first child this was done to. I bet the Epstein’s are hip to this already. It’s outrageous.
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  523. @Spaulding She was a child. She turned 18 this past September 2021. The adoption by Barnetts happened back in 2010. Her birth mother was found & DNA confirmed. Natalia was born 2003
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  524. It’s pretty obvious that Kristine used the movie as a template for their alibi. Like Chris Watts claiming Shannan killed the daughters—that was the storyline in Shutter Island. Movie script defenses!
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  525. She still lives in Indiana w her defacto parents. Cannot but wonder what effect this unrelenting bashing has had.
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  526.  @ack6668  The Barnetts are benefiting from legal technicalities, actually got 4 of the counts dismissed & the remaining 4 limited to arguing neglect due to disability with the State precluded from proving she was an actual child. It’s unjust beyond belief. She’s with the parents you might have seen on Dr Phil, not the parents w dwarfism who tried to adopt her but got denied. And the very first parents, Ciccones, who went over to Ukraine to adopt her are STILL silent, which doesn’t say much for their character Barnetts trials are sched for this Sept & Oct
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  527.  @williamhargraves8813  You’re not making any sense at all. “Dr Phil thing fake”—What are you talking about??
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  528.  @pricklycatsss  Of F’ing course she has adult teeth Now. She’s 17 now. But 6 months before Barnetts adopted her she lost her FIRST baby tooth, like most real 6yr olds do. Photos from the DePauls
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  529.  @TheTradesman007  Really? Is that intellectually anemic comment the best you can do?
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  530.  @TheTradesman007  Gee, I don’t know. How could anything top the ripped-from-the-silver-screen tale they already told? It’s even more fantastical than the story she told in her book The Spark.
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  531.  @FrmBompton  You are. Are you afraid to answer my question?
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  532.  @FrmBompton  You feel like a nobody?
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  533.  @clubredken13  Adoptions can be reversed. Something the Barnetts never even tried to do. They never tried to sue the adoption agency or the first parents (the Ciccones) either
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  534.  @tropikalmamut4448  She is not an adult, moron. A court can change a persons birth certificate but cannot change reality. She was born Sept 4, 2003
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  535.  @dimez291  Are you that suggestible that even though her photos show baby teeth you think they’re adult teeth because the criminal defendants say so?
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  536.  @FrenzyVidzHD  I think you must not know much about this case. This girl was an actual child. Full stop. I know that because I’ve read the court documents which list the medical evidence, the dental evidence and the overall history of this case. I’ve read the Barnetts filed responses. They do not point to a single medical or dental test/x Ray that says otherwise. When the prosecution says Dr Riggs, head of the growth disorder department at Payton Manning Children’s Hospital (endocrinologist), evaluated her for her age and determined she was approximately 8 yrs old in Oct 2010, the Barnetts do NOT have an alternative finding. 2 years later she had a full skeletal survey at Payton Manning. That’s x rays which evaluated her growth plates. The results were an age estimate of 11. You probably don’t know that adults don’t even have growth plates. Those x rays prove she was a minor child, even if science can’t say exactly how old. A minor far below the age of 18. When the Barnetts motioned the court in 2012 to change her age from 8 to 22, that’s from an elementary school aged child to a drinking age adult, they withheld these results from the judge. They withheld the dental x Ray evidence too. Bro, there wasn’t even a court hearing on the issue!! This is undisputed. No hearing!! No testimony taken, no evidence admitted, the judge never even laid eyes on her!! She had no one representing her interests. No lawyer. No GAL. No CASA. No notice. 11 days later without even the Barnetts stepping foot in court, BOOM You’re an adult. Every right a child has gone in an instant without any due process whatsoever. In America. A disgrace.
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  537.  @heybejaybe809  Is there any better way to live one’s life?
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  538.  @krotchlickmeugh627  You got me😂FYI She hasn’t changed her name. She is still Natalia Grace Barnett. She prefers to be called Grace.
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  539. UPDATE (1)Kristine is accused of violating Gag Order, hearing in May 2022 (2) Neglect trial dates set- Mike Sept 2022; Kristine Oct 2022
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  540. It didn’t happen. The parents are lying child abusers.
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  541. The movie was fictional but based on Barbora Skrlova. The Barnetts accusations are based on the movie.
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  542. Because they never reported to police. Probably because filing a false police report is a crime. They were very careful to try to stay within the letter of the law. They are the perps
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  543. Real life Chucky? Gee, why not a real life Dracula or Frankenstein. If we’re going to believe fiction why not make it really exciting?
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  544. 😂😂😂Nailed it. So ridiculous
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  545. She never threatened them. The Barnetts were the threat To Her. There’s a reason they are charged but she is not.
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  546. Most people with a triple digit IQ do too
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  547. You can sleep easy now. The movie was inspired by a Barbora Skrlova, but was not a true story. It was fictional, just like the Barnetts claims which they copied of the movie
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  548. When your alibi is ripped from the silver screen, you might be lying
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  549. Criminal defendants these days! I tell ya. Sheesh. Too dam lazy to make up their own dam alibi. Plagiarizing a movie script. .
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  550. The Barnetts clearly fashioned their accusations based upon that movie.
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  551.  @okaynevermind5130  How what?
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  552.  @okaynevermind5130  She was a child. It’s the Barnetts who managed to get away with it for 7 yrs.
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  553. Both those guy have a growth hormone deficiency. That’s why they look young, not just short. Plus they are proportional. Natalia’s dwarfism is not caused by lack of hormones. Hers is a collagen disorder, impacts the long bones from growing. She looks her age (17)
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  554.  @ERICK4431  It is crazy. I mean really crazy. Because she was genuinely a child and they have people believing she’s like the girl in orphan.
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  555. Now it’s all come out that the parents lied. Her Drs have spoken. She was a child. Now she’s an adult who’s 20
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  556. You know, she’s a real person. Someone who was rejected the day she was born. Someone who seemingly got lucky and adopted by Americans. Only to have her life upended when her parents decided they couldn’t keep her with all her medical needs. Adopted again, she thought FINALLY, a forever home. But those people turned out to be degenerates. Abandoned with no one in the world, at 9 yrs old, a loving couple took her in and have tried to get Justice for her since 2013. The neglectful parents finally charged w crimes against her. So you see, Joe should have been celebrating Natalia, tiny body- big heart, survived against all odds.
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  557.  @Ezekiel33USA  I get it was a joke. But, dam, what if that was you? People joking about you after you’ve been thru the kind of h3ll most people couldn’t imagine. Personally, I don’t think I could walk one day in her shoes. I’m not trying to give you a big ole guilt trip, just hoping you and anyone reading would consider her feelings for a moment. While there are still facts unknown, there is enough in the public realm to firmly conclude that she was a child, born 2003, and has been the victim of a horrific injustice.
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  558. Basically the parents entire story is a lie. She was a real child.
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  559. Those child abusers deserve everything they’re getting. Their plight doesn’t come close to the suffering they caused and continue to cause Natalia.
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  560. One of the most disturbing and disgusting quotes from this video. Calling an innocent 17 yr old kid, abused and abandoned, “this bitch”. As if She was arrested, not the parents
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  561. One trip down Michael Barnett’s faceB would show you he accused Kristine of being “evil”, “abusive” & “controlling”, Michael didn’t accuse Natalia of anything back before he was arrested.
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  562. The damage Joe has done with this video is heartbreaking. I thought Joe was a good guy before this. She deserved so much better.
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  563.  @johnmoe2510  No, the fake part is the parents preposterous accusations. The truth is a child was deprived of her rights and every protection a child is entitled to, when her parents were allowed to turn an elementary school aged child into a drinking age adult. Without a hearing!! No testimony, no GAL, no due process. In AMERICA. Shameful
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  564.  @chriscosby1561  No, Kyle, she was born in 2003.
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  565.  @chriscosby1561  Attacking me for my opinion, while telling me to accept that other people have opinions? You don’t see a contradiction in that? Interesting. What’s happened 5 times?
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  566.  @chriscosby1561  There’s never before been a case of an adult (18+) succeeding or trying to pass themselves off as a kindergartner, for obvious reasons. My opinion was their accusations are preposterous. The facts concerning the age change come directly from public documents and are undisputed by the criminal defendants. If you don’t care or have an opinion, why comment at all? Why comment in a way that would be pleasing to the parents?
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  567.  @chriscosby1561  She was 1st adopted by a NH family, who traveled to Ukraine and adopted her from the orphanage in July 2008. She was born Sept 2003, thus was 4 yrs old. In late April 2010 they “rehomed” her, allowing the Barnetts to adopt her. She was 6. Barnetts finalized adoption in their home state of Indiana Nov 3, 2010, she was 7. In June 2012, the Barnetts filed an ex parte petition and had her birth year amended from 2003, to 1989. Therefore, when the first family adopted her in July 2008, according to Barnetts she was 18, not 4.
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  568.  @chriscosby1561  The prosecution has not yet put forth a theory about the Barnetts motives, so what follows is my own theory. After the Barnetts took her home, their son started to get famous. He was first written about in March 2011. That’s a whole nother story. But, anyways, promoting him and writing her book took an excessive amount of time, leading to them neglecting to get her the surgeries she needed (she needed at least 10 over time). This led to CPS investigating them starting in March 2012. This threatened the son’s success and threatened the book deal (movie rights were already sold in Dec 2011). To “rehome” her at this point, or put her in foster care, would have tanked it. No one buys parenting advice from parents who return an adopted child like they are a used car. They didn’t love her. They didn’t want her anymore. So they came up with a scheme of re-aging her from 8 to 22. That age, looking back, would mean she was 18 when the first family adopted her. This would potentially void her citizenship and I think they hoped to have her deported. Problem solved. Very very Few even knew they had an adopted daughter. It was like she never existed. But that plan failed. And now they were stuck. So they put her in an apartment and moved to Canada. People who knew about her assumed she was in Canada with them. Until they were arrested in Sept 2019
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  569. The fact they didn’t return to the agency tends to suggest their claim is a lie.
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  570. She was not lost. She has been with the family who rescued her back in 2013 all this time. PS The parents are liars
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  571. Her SSI money was paying for it. These losers shifted their responsibility to support their child to the State.
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  572. I don’t know if they’re born or made, but if anyone is a psycho it’s the Barnetts with their fantastical tale that closely resembles a Hollywood movie
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  573.  @debbylou5729  It’s actually not Debby. What’s documented is that doctors & dentists that the Barnetts took her to told them she was a young child. The detective unraveled their web of deceit
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  574.  @debbylou5729  Well, ok, as long as I’m not snowball. The media has done a terrible job with this case. Terrible for the girl, but great for their wallets cause the idea of some secret adult with murderous intentions fooling people is a bigger seller than ordinary everyday child abuse. If you want to read source info, there’s a lot online. Her medical & dental testing in recounted in the PCA, google Barnett probable cause affidavit, those 4 words, and check images. If you scroll down the results a bit someone had posted it on Twitter. And I’m not sure who’s saying she’s not with the Mans anymore, or they think she really was an adult, but that’s not true. She did turn 18 last September, per her original birth certificate, and they are still a happy family. They’re all on faceB. You can see for yourself
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  575. I love how you assert something is a “fact” when it’s simply another story told by the criminal defendants that logistically isn’t even possible. “30 families” is a flat out lie
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  576. It’ll be tough to get a job because she was denied an education. It’s tough to live because she has chronic pain that could have been alleviated if they’d have gotten her the surgeries she requires. Every aspect of her life has been negatively impacted by the Barnetts. She was a child. A genuine child. They procured a age change without any hearing whatsoever. Zero due process for Natalia. And on top of all the indignities she’s suffered, she’s got Joe Rogan acting like SHE did something wrong. Talk about adding insult to injury.
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  577.  @MonaLisaHasNoEyebrows  I think an evidenced based medical evaluation by a doctor with advanced credentials should be mandatory, as well as a dental evaluation. It boggles my mind that 14 years were added to her age without these.
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  578. I wonder what victim Joe is going to laugh about next. Maybe Gabriel Fernandez? His mom said his wounds were self inflicted. I’m sure Joe can believe that. After all, he believes the Barnetts.
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  579. Well, she a teen now. But, you’re right, they do trust her because she’s never done anything untrustworthy. They’ve raised her since she was 10 yrs old.
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  580. This is more a cautionary tale against putting your baby up for adoption because they might end up with parents like the lying child abusing Barnetts
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  581. They haven’t supported her since they got her age changed. The age change made her elig for SSI. They shifted their responsibility to the govt with their fraudulent age change
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  582. Joe ad libbed that BS. This was a real child, another family took her in back in 2013 after Barnetts flew the coop. She’s still with them and is 17 yrs old today. The Barnetts are guilty as charged
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  583. For the kid. Adopted by a couple of degenerates
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  584.  @thomasuga5708  I allow the facts to form my opinion, not a well crafted PR campaign. The facts say she was a child and they lied. She could have died from their neglect.
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  585. Her body is distorted, but the mutants in this story are the parents who fraudulently had her age changed then dumped her. Did you know they let adoptive parents change the ages of internationally adopted children? Seriously, what in the Epstein is up with that?
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  586. In the probable cause affidavit it said she had a full skeletal survey in 2012 which estimated her age as about 11. She was definitely a child. The parents are liars.
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  587. No, they didn’t. For crying out loud, her first parents, Gary & Dyan Ciccone, traveled to Ukraine & adopted her there before returning with her in July 2008. Her DNA confirmed bio mom’s still there, too (Edit: I shouldn’t have been rude here)
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  588.  @LisaIsHappyToBeSane  No I don’t. I’ve just been following it and advocating for her. The Barnetts have a team of lawyers and even a public relations firm on their side, pushing their narrative. She has neither and is in fact the victim here.
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  589.  @LisaIsHappyToBeSane  I don’t mind your questions at all. Even “How do you know that?” Or “Why do you think that?” Or “What about xyz?” She was 4 when the Ciccones adopted her, in July 2008. 2 months shy of 5. They lived in New Hampshire. Her former dad, Gary, is an architect. Former mom, Dyan, works in admin for a University and also writes. They had 2 sons, one about a year older, the other about 3 years older. Well off financially. Attended very well to her physical needs. Took her to experts at the esteemed Children’s Hospital Boston. Her doctors at CHB also taught at Harvard Medical School. Natalia became a US citizen through this adoption in accordance with the Child Citizen Act of 2000. Per the DePauls, who were trying to adopt her from the Ciccones, and spent a lot of time getting to know Natalia Sept-Dec 2009, the Ciccones had what DePauls called “a significant loss” and couldn’t care for her any longer with her extreme medical needs (approx 20 surgeries). Out of respect for the Ciccones privacy the DePauls would not say more. Ultimately Ciccones decided against the DePauls sometime after Christmas 2009. Before that the DePauls were so confident they were adopting her that they sent their friends a photo Christmas card of Natalia and their biological Daughter. So it was a heartbreak for them. They’ve since given an interview in defense of Natalia and their daughter made her own YouT video. At some point Ciccones enlisted a FL adoption agency called Adoptions By Shepherd Care and the agency contacted the Barnetts about her. Barnetts were interested and went to FL end of April 2010 and took custody of her. She was 6 yrs old. They finalized the adoption and became her legal parents Nov 3, 2010, she was 7.
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  590.  @LisaIsHappyToBeSane  Motive is something that may never be known. Personally, I think it was because they were neglecting Natalia after their son started getting famous. CPS and the Westfield Police were investigating allegations of abuse/neglect in early 2012. Kristine was already writing her book about what amazing parents they were to their “autistic” “genius” son and the movie rights were already sold in Dec 2011 (under the title Scattered Skills). An abuse accusation concerning their adopted disabled daughter would have ruined their bid for fame and fortune. The age change saved them (at the time). CPS doesn’t have jurisdiction over “adults” and the police dropped the ball/investigation. I think they hoped to make the problem disappear completely and have her deported. I say this because of the age they selected for her (in June 2012)– Age 22 with birth year 1989. This age if you looked back would mean she was 18 when the Ciccones adopted her and thus ineligible for citizenship under the parameters of the CSA2000. When that failed to pan out they were stuck and went for plan B- An Apartment where she knew no one, and no one knew her, complicated by them leaving the country ostensibly for the son to attend the Perimeter Institute. Canada at the time (2013) did not permit surgery needing disabled folks to immigrate (policy did change in 2018). So her accompanying them was not an option. I don’t think they cared what happened to her. It’s a wonder she didn’t end up hurt or trafficked or worse.
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  591.  @LisaIsHappyToBeSane  Glad to do it. No one has really done in depth reporting on this case. A lot of that info I found through my own efforts. I’ve done genealogy for 30 years and finding out about living people isn’t all that different than finding out about dead people. Then since I’ve been following for so long I’ve picked up things in comment sections, like comments made by the DePauls. There is a blog that has a lot of information as well, it hasn’t been updated lately but has a ton of links, screenshots, pictures in chronological order. It’s called Justice For Natalia Grace. Legally, the case against Barnetts has had some setbacks. Thanks to legal technicalities the state cannot argue or present evidence that Natalia was a child in fact. The 2012 age change gets to stand, for the purposes of pursuing criminal charges against Barnetts (Natalia can still civilly pursue having the age change reversed at a later date, or pursue civility the ones who have violated her rights if she so chooses). 4 out of 8 felonies were then dismissed due to the Statute of Limitations. The remaining 4 charges are going forward on the basis of Neglect of a Dependent with disabilities which applies to any aged dependent in Indiana. Those trials are now set for Sept 2022 Michael and Oct 2022 Kristine. Plus, Kristine is now accused of violating the gag order and a hearing on that is scheduled for May 2022 (Kristine, Michael, Natalia, Her unofficial parents the Mans are all under gag order, which was a little too late since Barnetts went on a virtual character assassination tour when first charged and they aren’t prevented from using the PR firm). This poor girl has suffered so much it’s unbelievable.
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  592. There’s been a few cases like that. But there’s never been a case of an adult impersonating a 4yr old, which is what the Barnetts claim. It’s not believable on its face
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  593. Oh gosh no. That is just made up nonsense, probably made up by the parents PR firm. She is still happily at the Mans
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  594. Almost every word from the arrested parents has been proven to be a lie. There own pics show baby teeth & a prior fam who tried to adopt her only 4 months earlier have photos where her 1st baby tooth fell out when she was visiting with them. They’re the DePauls & there’s interviews w them online. Detectives got all her records. Skeletal x rays showed open growth plates & dentists who took x rays est her age as 6-9 back in 2012. They concealed all this from the court when they got a judge to change her age back in 2012. They did this kid dirty. She is still happy w the Mans, since 2013
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  595. You can see all her photos in correct chronological order on the bl og called Justice For Natalia Grace
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  596. You’re apparently too creeped out to think straight. Because the parents fantastical story is just that—a story, to distract from their own disgusting behavior
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  597.  @Ribobizert  She was a child and they deceived the court by withholding her actual medical and dental records (that said she was 11 yrs old at the oldest, 6 yrs old at the youngest, in 2012) in order to obtain an amendment of her birth certificate year of birth (from 2003 to 1989) for the purpose of abandoning her “legally”. As an aside, they didn’t actually pay for her apartment, in the way most people interpret “paid for her apartment”. They sent the checks, did the adulting, but the money was hers. When they signed her up for SSI, they made themselves the representative payee. This means that she was the beneficiary of the SSI, but the checks went to them and they were required by law to spend the funds on her. This is lying—Pretending they were financially supporting her but the funds belonged to her; they remitted payment on her behalf, they didn’t “pay the rent” in the common meaning of the phrase.
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  598. Her birth mom was born 1980. She was married to Natalia’s dad and Natalia was their second child, their first born is 4 yrs older. Which is more likely- Natalia born 2003 or 1989?
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  599.  @bighands69  The media has done nothing but bash this kid. There is so much evidence proving she was a child, but you won’t hardly find that. The Barnetts did exactly what they’re accused of
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  600. That’s a little large for a kindergartner
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  601. Dude, try Google. That movie was inspired by Barbora Skrlova not Natalia. And Barbora was a scammer. Natalia is a real child, now a teen, who was victimized by degenerate adopters
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  602. Making of a Murderess: How the Barnetts abused then accused the little girl they adopted.
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  603.  @kbuilds7287  Age 12 actually. He’s 23 now, holds a BIS (Bachelors of Independent Studies) from University of Waterloo. Listed as a PhD student at Perimeter. Respectable, but doesn’t scream genius.
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  604.  @kbuilds7287  He doesn’t have his PhD yet. Maybe soon? Seems clear today, however, that his mother’s claims in her book were more hype than reality. Grossly exaggerated, like her claims about Natalia
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  605.  @kbuilds7287  You’re probably unaware of the claims his mother made and the hype she promoted to sell her book. She did him no favors. The word exploitation comes to mind.
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  606.  @CapiTrendz  Ummmm, apparently you?
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  607. Sacred home? Lol The dad wanted away from that psycho mom so badly he ditched her and his sons in Canada only 5 months after moving there.
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  608. Clearly the worst reporting ever because half the internet knew where she was the day the story broke (she was still with the neighbors who rescued her in Aug 2013).
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  609. Abandoning your disabled daughter is not a good dead. Fraudulently getting her age changed ain’t good either. They are remorseless miscreants.
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  610. More like rapped about adoptive mom Kristine Barnett, who’s similar to his mother, especially the part about Münchausen syndrome, in Cleanin’ Out My Closet
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  611. It was a movie. Now it’s also an alibi for child abusers who weren’t creative enough to come up with something original
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  612. The Barnetts alibi was inspired by Orphan. A ready made excuse.
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  613. The movie was fictional, just like the Barnett’s fantastical claims
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  614. No they didn’t because those things aren’t true. This “she’s an adult” was all part of their scheme to get her re-aged so they didn’t have parental responsibilities any longer. She’s born in 2003
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  615.  @Atouk  Every time I put a link my comment gets muted. Go to the court records for Indiana. Check under the mom’s name on the public records page. The state’s appeal is posted as well as other filings. It list the full history as well as med/dental evidence.
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  616. Because she wasn’t actually an adult. Thankfully Tippecanoe County has more sense than Marion County. What kinda child trafficking nonsense is going on in Marion? Turning children into instant adults
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  617.  @91KP_SilentEchoes  It’s terrible the things people are saying about her. Seems the result of biases- Against adoptees, “foreigners” and the disabled
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  618. The only connection between her and the movie is that Barnetts stole the script for their defense
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  619. How many of those cops infiltrated a kindergarten? Just curious, because that’s what the Barnetts are alleging. They say when Natalia was 5yrs old & in kindergarten that she actually was 19.
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  620. Similar? Pretty much stolen nearly scene for scene. Surprised Joe didn’t dig deeper before laughing at this poor kid
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  621. No surprise, since he’s buying the criminal defendants “Orphan” Alibi
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  622. Good movie, purely fictional, just like the Barnetts claims about the adopted child they dumped
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  623. Really? When I first heard this and looked at her pictures, I was shocked that anyone would believe the parents obviously borrowed allegations. She had baby teeth & baby face. Barnetts are liars
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  624. According to the sworn police affidavit, Mike Barnett did confess that he knew she was a child when they abandoned her. So, yea, he knew the whole time.
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  625.  @EllaNonimato  A complete miscarriage of justice, no due process. Did you know a judge changed her age based only on claims in an ex parte petition? No hearing. No testimony. No medical or dental records. Beyond outrageous.
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  626. Leaving a child all alone in an upper flat and yeeting out of the country is a strange way to show you care.
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  627. @Soiled Fool You heard wrong. She’s Happily & uneventfully part of the Mans family for almost 7 years now. Wonder what the Barnett youngest is gonna do if mom gets thrown in the klink.
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  628. @Soiled Fool I see you’ve swallowed the criminal defendants alibi, hook, line and sinker. Movie script defenses are all the rage these days. But, the charges are not only sticking, they’ve expanded since their Sept 2019 arrests. Started at 2 felony counts, it’s grown to 8 felony counts. Went from a level 6, to a level 3 carrying a possible 20yr sentence. Unlikely they’ll get off with no time served. They were responsible for supporting her, not the state (not that I mind paying taxes to assisted the disabled). When they set her up to collect SSI, guess who got the checks? Not her! Michael got himself named her Representative payee. Their posturing as magnanimous is just another one of their lies. Yea, they paid rent...with her money. But more importantly, they left an actual child alone. That’s wrong no matter what they accuse her of.
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  629. snow man Don’t be duped by the criminal defendants’ fantastical defense. Those degenerates are following the “Abuse Then Accuse” playbook.
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  630. @Sara Kathryn Incorrect. The judge says his hands are tied and must dismiss due to res Judicata & collateral estoppel. BUT he did stay his order and certify it for appeal. It’s at the court of appeals right now. IF the Barnetts get off it’ll be due to legal technicalities, not because they proved her to be an adult. Her birth mother was located, confirmed by DNA. The mom is only 41. So Barnetts can save their sorry story about how Natalia is born in 1989 when her proven birth mother was born in 1980
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  631. She’s a US citizen through her first adoptive parents, the Ciccones
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  632. 2 potential ways-(1) They are your dependent due to physical/mental disability. You can’t just pitch your disabled kid into an apt (2) The age change was fraudulent & she was really 9
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  633. Everybody’s making money off this child’s back.
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  634. What?? Go on Indiana court website case search mycase.in.gov Barnetts are facing 8 felony counts. Trials Sept 2020&Jan 2021. Those creeps are child abusers
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  635. Sidney Diaperbottom It’s like this all the time. They scream the allegation, but whisper the correction. Now everyone’s focusing on Myka Stauffer. Which is great. But, dam, Natalia was an innocent child too
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  636. You didn’t expect him to describe her honesty, did you?
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  637. cobra kai That’d be Kristine’s worst nightmare, because Netflix would look back into all her other fantastical claims in her book and her autism charity that raked in $145,000 in 2010
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  638. You best believe it is—the true story, not the parents malarkey Joe seems to have bought hook-line-and-sinker
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  639. Calling a 16 yr old girl a “bitch” in reference to when she was 6 to 8 years old. Joe owes her an apology. The parents were lying and he should have realized that by how preposterous the claims were
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  640.  @BIGWILL_0715  TY
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  641.  @charliewaters5289  So you’re tapping out? Lol. Are you now admitting that I was, in fact, correct that there is an interlocutory appeal underway??
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  642.  Bacon Hair  You’re not very original, that phrase has already been bandied about. It also doesn’t make sense considering as she is an actual child, now teen, who deserves an accurate birth certificate
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  643.  @williamhargraves8813  What are you saying about disease and cam models?
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  644.  @irondude71  Sorry I don’t understand what you mean by this
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  645.  Jagar Tharn  Why Thank You kind sir
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  646.  @LaciRae  Yes
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  647.  @LaciRae  I’ve never taken that test. Maybe I should?
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  648.  @LaciRae  That’s really nice of you to take the time to say. Thank you. I just can’t sit by and let the Barnetts lies go unchallenged ((Although I’m not exactly sitting, having posted from various stretches of the North Country Trail, while kayaking on at least 8 different rivers and through 2 full morel seasons since this started lol)). Most of the Barnett supporters are simply ignorant, in the strict definition of the word. They just don’t know. The ones who attack me for defending her, especially the ones who lie to justify their position, to me it’s just a reflection of who they are as people- Stupid and hateful. They reinforce to me why I’m doing what I’m doing and that it is important. I’m in my 5th decade of life and have somehow retained the idealism of my youth, my love of justice (that fleeting, almost ephemeral virtue) and my sense of duty to help those in need. It’s nice to hear from someone who feels the same!! I mean, I know people like you are out there, too, but the confirmation always feels good. I’m going to check out that personality inventory/assessment you mentioned. Thanks for being you.
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  649.  @LaciRae  I took the test. I’m an ENFP-A. That was really interesting. I didn’t expect to score that. I’d say it was pretty accurate.
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  650.  @LaciRae  That’s interesting I scored the same as your son. I’m going to have to ask my kids to take it. That you were close in guesstimating my results really fits with your type. People don’t usually read me so well.
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  651.  @LaciRae  Well the fix is in. COA ruled in the child abusers favor. Seems their slick scheme in changing her age really was slick. Not to mention the state dropping the ball for too long. Legal technicalities saved them from child neglect charges. The COA did not rule on her age per se because they say it cannot be relitigated, the 2012 age change is controlling. They still face Neglect of a disabled dependent charges. I’m so disappointed in our legal system and in Indiana for letting this go on too long and blowing the case. I hope she pursues a Civil remedy. I haven’t been this disgusted in a long time. I’m in the wrong career, I wish I was an attorney.
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  652.  @justinjaracz9494  🐢😂
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  653. @Sharty Waffles You know what they say- Third times the charm. I was so curious when you deleted your first 2 comments to me. Unbeknownst to you, Natalia is happily with her family. The same place she’s been since Aug 2013. I don’t really understand the fascination with or belief in accusations that were clearly ripped from the silver screen, but sadly you’re not alone.
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  654.  @strings1586  I don’t think Oedipus complex is the term for what you’re describing. In the O complex it is the boy who has the fixation on his mother, not the mother on the boy
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  655.  @Ur-Cathal  Awe, you’re a sweetheart. I appreciate the sentiment behind your comments to me. When I started commenting on this case over 2 years age I certainly did not envision myself Still commenting today. But here we are. This case is not over yet. It’s currently at the Indiana Supreme Court over pretrial orders issued in 2020. Pretrial, meaning this case hasn’t even had a trial yet. I’m determined to see it through to the end. Commenting is not the only thing I’ve done in this case and I have plans for future advocacy/assistance. At the same time, commenting takes little effort and I feel it’s a worthwhile expenditure of time I’d would otherwise be spending on mindless entertainment. Like right now, I’m commenting while re-watching one of my favorite movies, Shawshank, for the umpteenth time. Thanks again, hope you have a Happy New Year.
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  656.  @Ur-Cathal  The Indiana Supreme Court has denied the petition to transfer ie They declined to hear the case. This means the felony neglect charges based upon disability can go forward but the charges based upon her being an actual child at the time cannot. What a travesty. But looking forward to the rest of the case moving forward.
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  657.  @poluticon  Sorry, I don’t remember what links. Aside from that, if you value official then why was it ok to amend Natalia’s official birth certificate, her official adoption/immigration docs?
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  658.  @vanilla2234  She truly does, but might never get it. This is a heartbreaking miscarriage of justice. Read through some of the info I shared in this thread.
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  659.  @helium5912  Honey, she’s 18 now & has a family who loves her that she’s lived with since 2013. She doesn’t need adopting, she needs her genuine birthdate restored
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  660. Trial dates are Set! Sept 2022-Michael; Oct 2022- Kristine. AND A BONUS- Kristine has a hearing in May for allegedly violating the Gag order. I’ve seen the posts. She’ll likely be found guilty
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  661.  @etishome4099  Thank you. I really am. I just completed 4 more miles of the North Country Trail yesterday. Nature is a great stress reliever.
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  662.  @helium5912  The Barnetts put that little girl who could barely walk in an Upper Flat with an outside uncovered staircase, in a state with snow & ice. Who was really trying to kill whom?
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  663.  @etishome4099  You too NS. If you like to venture off your land, I have a tip for ya, an app called On X Hunt. It’s not just for hunters. It shows you all property lines and makes it easy to find public lands and actually shows any trails on the property. Now I don’t get lost. With morel season right around the corner, I’m hoping to improve my haul. Have a great evening.
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  664.  @helium5912  They say that ignorance is bliss, but you don’t sound very blissful.
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  665.  @amillimymillie7015  If your daughter’s doctors didn’t warn you about precocious puberty it’s likely that her particular type of dwarfism does not carry a risk of the condition, not all types of dwarfism do. Natalia has Diastrophic Dysplasia. Her risk of having precocious puberty is the same as someone without dwarfism. In children with precocious puberty the condition can be treated such that they are not harmed by it. I hope the best for you and your daughters.
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  666.  @DieselRamcharger  I believe medical records kept in the ordinary course of business. Yup, I sure do
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  667.  @DieselRamcharger  Au Contraire! A former prospective adoptive family, the DePauls, shared a number of her actual med records given to them by the first adoptive family (Ciccones). I think you should ask yourself why YOU believe the story told by the Barnetts. A story which on it’s face strains credulity.
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  668.  @russell3023  My replies are getting muted. After I edited more info into previous reply that got removed (idk, when I look in incognito mode I can’t see it). I’ll try again tomorrow
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  669.  @russell3023  I’d post a link but they get blocked. You should read the probable cause affidavit. It’s been shared on twtr by a Lisa Fan. Check it out then tell me what you think
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  670.  @russell3023  No comment about the 2 dental evals from 10yrs ago saying she’s 9 at the oldest? The full skeletal x rays estimating 11 meaning she had open growth plates??
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  671.  @justinhight8880  Yes. Their actions have had a profoundly devastating impact on her life. It’s unbelievably tragic.
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  672.  @AA-wu2fk  My longer posts keep getting muted. You need to read the Barnett probable cause affidavit. It’s 3 pages. It’s online
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  673.  @AA-wu2fk  Then why ask for proof?
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  674.  @skiimaskent3081  12 months not 2 yrs. Aug 2012-Aug 2013. What’s your point? In the world right now there’s kid’s surviving on the streets
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  675.  @cloutmastermemes2007  She didn’t fake her age. Their accusations are preposterous, no evidence except their word & they’ve already been shown to lie//Whose name did you want? (Edit typo)
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  676.  @TheLargeDoctor  As I’ve posted previously, read the probable cause affidavit. ALL her medical/dental xrays said she was a child. U can also view her photos & see she had baby teeth back then
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  677.  @KFrost-fx7dt  I get why you’re saying this. I don’t take it personally. Joe really messed up here. Talking about it without realizing. But the truth is that she was an actual child
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  678.  @mileskintnermusic7349  Natalia was genuinely a little girl who was born in 2003. Her adoptive parents defrauded the court to get her birth yr changed to 1989 then abandoned her
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  679. UPDATE Sad day yesterday as the jury acquitted Michael Barnett. The jury didn’t get to learn about her true age, only her disabilities.
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  680.  @na-md8ck  I wish I were wrong and you were right. But this isn’t a movie and there’s no happy ending
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  681.  @alexl.9602  Awe, come on Alex, it’s not like I’m defending Steven Seagal. This girl’s still under gag order, 3yrs later, prevented from defending herself. You haven’t looked at the facts if you think I’m misleading folks
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  682. Anyone who’s watched the new 6 part series on MAX now knows, beyond any doubt, that she was a child & abused
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  683.  @australian2425  Obviously she’s not “over 30”. She just turned 20. X-rays don’t lie. Her 2003 birth year was correct all along.
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  684. Well for starters, she was an actual child
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  685. Got a link to that story?
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  686.  @bighands69  So I’ve heard. But don’t confuse that with this kid. An American couple went over to Ukraine & plucked her outta the orphanage. She was 4. Two yrs later they let Barnetts adopt her
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  687.  @bighands69  Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? Do you not see where I wrote “2 years later they let the Barnetts adopt her”? It was the Ciccones who went to Ukraine and adopted her her in Ukraine and brought her here in July 2008. She was 4. Two years later in May 2010 the Ciccones allowed the Barnetts to adopt her. She was 6. Genuinely Six. As unequivocally proven by the location and confirmation of her birth mother who has the original pregnancy/hospital/birth records
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  688. A 2009 movie, a yr before they adopted her, fictional but inspired by Barbora Skrlova. They’ve clearly plagiarized the script.
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  689. Is that what we’re calling csa these days? Come on! She was a secret adult just like Orphan?— Preposterous
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  690. That’s good. Kids need parents with common sense. Not ones who believe the fantastical stories told by criminal defendants just because Joe laughs about it
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  691. That’s what they claimed. After they were arrested. They’re lying.
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  692. 3 dismissed due to Statute of Limitations, 1 more on recent motion. Now 4 are going forward but only on basis of dependency due to disability. A denial of true justice, tho, she’s really 18 now
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  693.  @ricks8058  You really can’t generalize and say folks with “that disorder look like toddler till puberty”. They aren’t all the same disorder. They don’t all cause the same physical expression. Hers specifically is not related to growth hormones, is Not one of the subtypes that effects the appearance of aging.
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  694. Her birth mother was DNA confirmed, has original records which prove the kid really was born 2003. But the Barnetts may have committed the perfect crime. New judge says he lacks the authority to hear the evidence she was a child and must honor the [fraudulent] 2012 age change. Says legal technicalities mean they can’t be charged with child neglect (Res Judicata, Collateral Estoppel & statute of limitations). But there is still hope for justice. Judge put dismissal on hold and the Court of Appeals is going to decide if the child neglect charges can go forward.
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  695. That’s quite the tale. They got a cold call from an agency? Seriously. Didn’t that raise ANY suspicions for you that the Barnetts were lying? Come on now. Adoption agencies cold calling?? They didn’t have any adopted kids. They had 3 boys all older than Natalia. The oldest was 12, next oldest was 8, the other 6 when Natalia was 6. They ran into traffic?? I thought the oldest was supposed to be a “genius”? Lol This is the big murder attempt? Come on. It’s laughable. These people simply regretted adopting such a fragile surgery needing disabled kid. Too much time and effort and not enough social clout. They came up with a scheme to get rid of her and it was successful. These are some seriously morally bankrupt people
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  696.  @blackopal3138  Do you think you treated Natalia with respect? Or is that respect reserved only for criminal defendants with preposterous alibis? I was trying to encourage you to think critically, not insult you. To start from a position of acknowledging that the Barnetts claims are REALLY out there. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Where is their evidence? They did manage to get a judge to change her age in 2012 from Sept 2003 to Sept 1989. She went from elementary school age to a drinking aged adult. Yet, we know from court filings that decision was reached without an evidentiary hearing or a hearing of any kind. So the judge did not talk to any of her doctors or dentists, did not receive any of her medical or dental records, did not appoint her a lawyer or a GAL, and actually didn’t even meet her or Barnetts. This is an outrageous lack of due process. Worse than a trial in absentia. There was no trial. When did she come to the US? In July 2008 with her first adoptive parents Gary & Dyan Ciccone. So, the Ciccones adopted a 4 yr old, but she was really 18? How is that remotely plausible?? An 18yr old passing as a 4 yr old. And in 2 years the Ciccones never noticed? How about the doctors the Ciccone’s took her to? Surely doctors would be able to tell. So who were these incompetent doctors who couldn’t tell the difference between an 18 yr old and a 4 yr old? We know that too—Four doctors at Boston Children’s Hospital who, get this, also teach at Harvard Medical School. Does that sound like those MD’s would be incompetent? Their names are Drs Samantha Spencer, John Emans, Michael Millis, John Harris. Look them up if you don’t believe me, these names come from the amended probable cause affidavit. The medical findings, including one visit after Sept 2008 that noted she was a “Delightful 5 year old”, were shared by a couple who wanted to adopt Natalia before the Barnetts ultimately were allowed to. That couple is the DePauls, who have her medical records given to them by the Ciccones (who turned them down when they said they wanted her). The DePauls also said she was with them when she lost her FIRST baby tooth and they shared pictures proving it. Ready to Glare showed some of their evidence, and the DePauls daughter made a video sharing more evidence. You question why, if Barnetts are so horrible, would they adopt her to start with. If this is pure curiosity, I understand as I’ve wondered the same and have my theories. If you mean that as some kind of evidence that they cannot be bad people, they you only need to read the news which covers many cases of abusive adoptive parents. Remember those parents who purposely drove off the cliff and killed their 6 adopted kids and themselves? Why did they adopt those kids? Are you aware that at the time Barnetts moved to Canada that Canada had a well established policy of denying immigration to medically needy applicants? To prevent people from moving there for the free healthcare. So, we do know that moving to CA WITH HER was not an option. Do you think book sales (The Spark) would be impacted if the public had known that this author of parenting advice left her disabled adopted daughter behind? There’s a money motive for ya. The age change sure solved that problem, didn’t it. A grave miscarriage of Justice has occurred and I’m not ok with that. Nor should any other American be Ok with that. Now, it seems the Barnetts will get away with it due to the statute of Limitations. They are now only facing 2 felony counts of neglect of a disabled dependent. This girl, who recently turned 18 but is 32 on paper, deserves much better.
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  697.  @blackopal3138  You don’t have to talk to me. But if you’re as good as person as you think you are, stop bashing or casting doubt on the victim. It’s distasteful and wrong and she doesn’t deserve it.
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  698.  @blackopal3138  Your responses bring to mind a line in a little play I once read——“The lady doth protest too much, methinks”
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  699. Nope. Just a movie the Barnetts plagiarized for their defense
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  700.  @jap3308  Oh ok. You might be interested to know that the movie itself was purely fiction. It was “inspired by” a real woman, Barbora Skrlova. But she never tricked anyone into adopting her. All the people she lived with were members of a cult that Barbora’s father was the leader of, and she was being groomed to be the new leader. The Irish Times did a good write up on it. Most other news sources missed the mark.
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  701.  @postmadonna  Only 20? Lol. Have any particular questions? Happy to share what I’ve learned since I started following this over a year ago
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  702. Yes, watch it. You’ll see exactly where the Barnetts got their dastardly ideas from. Note the movie came out a year before they adopted her.
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  703. That’s tragic. Please know that this story is nothing like that. This girl had genetic testing at Children’s Hospital Boston. She has Diastrophic Dysplasia & was really a child
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  704. The degenerate parents copied the movie Orphan which came out the year before they adopted her
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  705. Parents: Hey Mr Chomo, would you like a child legally? We just got her age changed from 8 to 22! It’s all legal now
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  706. It’s amazing how willing people are to believe such fantastical claims. “Just like Orphan”—Yea sure thing Barnetts, you lying child abusing degenerates
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  707. Not true. One look at the Mans social media & you see they are all still happy & a family
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  708. Funny, the pictures say otherwise
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  709. People were willing accomplices in making this poor girl suffer, adding insult to injury. It was so disgusting
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  710. Never happened. This was supposed to be the 1st night while still in FL. And they said nothing to agency, went home to Indiana, waited the statutory 6 mos then Finalized the adoption? Baloney
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  711. The problem is she was actually a child. A child whose age a judge allowed the parents to change, without any due process or hearing whatsoever, in order to dump her w impunity
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  712.  @lonewolf645  That there was no hearing in 2012 when her age was changed is in the court documents & not disputed by the parents. About her age, from medical/dental findings recounted in the court records & info shared by DePaul family who had tried to adopt her & info from her birth mother
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  713. No, the movie provided the template for the abusive parents false accusations. It’s a shame Joe ran with their narrative. She didn’t deserve this.
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  714. Can you imagine? You’re 8 yrs old, severely disabled, and your parents decide to get rid of you. So they file a motion with the court, withhold all your medical & dental records, get your age changed to 22. Then they summarily dump you. No medical care. No going to school with your age group. Childhood stolen. Future foreclosed. Then when caught, they hire a PR firm & go on a character assassination tour. Joe Rogan himself features the abusers narrative and laughs at you while perpetuating their Orphan alibi.
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  715. The Barnetts Defense was a movie. THIS is just a case of ordinary, disgusting, child neglect
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  716. The kid was being gas lit something fierce. It must have been surreal. Poor thing
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  717. I guessing the traffickers already know this trick— adopt a child then have their birth year changed in a confidential proceeding, Violá all legal now. This girl was an actual child
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  718. Because Barnetts copied the movie scene by scene for their preposterous alibi
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  719. She entered the US with her first adoptive parents, the Ciccones, in July of 2008. She was 4yrs old. Of course, since you believe the Barnetts, you believe she was really 18 and successfully passed as a 4 yr old. Lol. She didn’t speak English. The proof was in her medical record. Dr David Harris, a doctor at Children’s Hospital Boston, and also a lecturer at Harvard Medical School, noted that he needed the services of a translator to speak with her. So, apparently you believe Harvard Doc couldn’t distinguish an 18 yr old from a 4 yr old. And who says she had no accent in May 2010 when Barnetts picked her up from the Ciccones at the adoption agency?? Why, the Barnetts of course! Lol. It is so comical you say you believe this.
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  720. The movie is pure fiction (like the Barnetts claims). But it was inspired by a real person, Barbora Skrlova. Her story is one of cultists & horrifying child abuse wherein she was a perpetrator
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  721. She didn’t have adult teeth, only had the front 2, the rest were baby teeth. You can see it in the higher resolution photos. A prior want-to-be adoptive fam has pics of her with front teeth missing
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  722. Her birth mother was located. BirthM was married but separated & already had a 4yr old & couldn’t care for a child so disabled. Natalia entered orphanage as newborn, Sept 2003
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  723. When you’re alibi is ripped from the silver screen, you might be lying
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  724. You’re thinking of the movie. The movie isn’t connected to this case, however
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  725. No, Orphan was inspired by Barbora Skrlova case. Here, the parents false allegations were borrowed from the movie
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  726. Suuure she did. While still in FL. But never contacted agency? Took her home to IN. Waited statutory 6 months & finalized at court. It’s a preposterous story.
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  727.  @tomsexton3625  There’s so much more to this story than has been presented by the gossip news agencies and most YouTubers. It’s a shame JRE chose to make light of it and enable the Barnetts to continue denying the truth and defaming their adopted daughter. The real story, to me, is why is a judge ever allowed to add 14 yrs to a child’s birth certificate; why is that allowed to happen without any hearing whatsoever, without any testimony, and without any safeguards like notifying the child and at the least appointing a GAL or child’s attorney; and why was this situation allowed to persist for 7 years before any arrests occurred. It’s truly unbelievable, but it happened and is happening. The girl was genuinely 6 yrs old when they adopted her. She is 17 now, but has a birth certificate that says she is 31. Her childhood was stolen and her future foreclosed. If that weren’t bad enough, the Barnetts along with a public relations firm and legal team guiding them, have forever besmirched the reputation of the profoundly disabled child they left behind to fend for herself. It’s unconscionable. (Edit typos)
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  728. They changed her age in 2012. She was 8, then instantly 22, without so much as a single hearing. Just an Ex Parte petition. Easy peasy. Absolved of parental responsibility
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  729. Yes, the kind of sht that only happens in movies. Really. The Barnetts are bonkers
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  730. They could tell she was an actual child when they adopted her. That’s what’s so disgusting about what they did. They left a child behind, all alone, while pretending to be parents-of-the-year
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  731. She was 5 yrs old, living w her first adoptive family in New Hampshire, in 2009. I doubt they let her watch the movie
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  732. She is a teenager. She was genuinely a child when those degenerates adopted her. She is with the same family who rescued her 7 years ago and are trying to get justice for her.
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  733.  @MartinMartin-bh4ke Funny because you’re not the one being defamed
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  734. They weren’t fooled. She actually was a child. Joe owes her an apology and amends
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  735. Yes it was. Actual doctor’s x rays showing open growth plates, dental x rays, original birth records and her DNA confirmed 41 yr old birth mom. Barnetts still protected by Statute of Limitations 🥲
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  736.  @cuposooth4820  Not true. Not sure why you want to dismiss actual scientific evidence in favor of the fantastical story of an adult masquerading as a kindergartner.
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  737.  @cuposooth4820  Here’s why I am dismissive of the prior court rulings. The first one which changed her age from 8 to 22 was done without an evidentiary hearing, without any hearing. The judge was not provided her medical or dental records, he didn’t speak to any of her providers, there was no testimony of any kind, he did not appoint a GAL to represent her, he did not compel the Barnetts to attend a hearing and give testimony under oath, he didn’t even see or meet Natalia before making a ruling that had a catastrophic impact upon her life. The second court case is also marred with due process deficiencies. There was a hearing where her [new] parents and their pro bono attorney asked that the first court order be set aside. Their attorney was prepared to argue this narrow issue. But mid hearing the judge announced sua sponte that she was going make a new determination about Natalia’s age. Because neither party had motioned for this action, their attorney was unprepared for this and did not have a more rigorous case prepared. While opinions may differ on the legitimacy of that hearing, it is undisputed that the judge absolutely did not hear all the evidence that supports the fact that Natalia really was born in September 2003. The judge did not hear from the medical doctors who took x rays and determined she was a minor. Did not hear from the dentists who took x rays and determined she was a minor. Did not hear from her past adoptive parents nor any of the doctors they took her to. Did not hear from the DePaul family who spent time with her while trying to adopt her. Did not hear from her birth mother who was not located at that time. Now, with the latest turn of events and the dismissal of the age related charges, retaining only the disability related charges, based upon legal technicalities, it seems there may never be a Full hearing on the actual matter of her age. Unless, of course, a civil suit is filed, which I hope she does.
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  738.  @cuposooth4820  The dad admitted to the detective that she was a minor when they left her behind and that his wife has instructed her to lie and say she was older. The physical evidence supports that she was a minor.
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  739.  @cuposooth4820  The dad’s admissions are memorialized in the detective’s sworn affidavit (publicly available). If you think the cop lied about what Michael said, Ok. But that’s no basis to accuse me of lying. I’ve accurately recounted the evidence against the Barnetts. Further, the physical evidence DOES prove she was a minor. There was a Dr Riggs, endocrinologist and Head of the growth disorders clinic at Payton Manning Children’s Hospital who evaluated her for her age at Kristine’s behest in Oct 2010. He estimated her age at 8. She later had another evaluation, a full skeletal survey (this is x rays of entire body) which allows evaluation of her growth plates. Those results, from June 2012, were that she was about 11. The detective also uncovered her dental records. Kristine took her to EZ Dental in 2011 and asked the dentist to estimate her age. X rays were taken and the estimate was she was between 8&9. In 2012 she saw dentist Dr Ronald Deckard and he also took x rays and estimated her age as between 6&9. Despite their claims in interviews, in their actual court filings the Barnetts did not allege A SINGLE TEST that supported their contentions. That’s right, all the BS in interviews about bone density testing that said she was 14 or even 22 was BS for the cameras. Cause when it came down to court filings there was NO MENTION of that. Apparently their entire proof consisted of the 8 year old saying she was an adult. The 8 yr old whom Michael Barnett admitted was coached by Kristine to say such things. That admission and the medical/dental findings are all in the amended probable cause affidavit.
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  740.  @cuposooth4820  Lol. You bring nothing to the table but an 8 yr old admitting she was older after being coached by her adoptive mom. You have no answer for the overwhelming medical & dental evidence. Thank God she didn’t admit to being Princess Diana reincarnated, you’d have bought her a ticket to Buckingham Palace.
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  741. Oh, is that what the accused child abusers said to excuse their behavior? Sounds legit?
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  742. How is that the same? The Barnetts adopted her at age 6. They claim she was really 20. Do you honestly believe a 20 year old can pass for 6? Better still, 1st fam adopted her at 4. Can a 18yr pass for 4??
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  743.  @swetaimbert1114  She has Diastrophic Dysplasia, which caused her dwarfism & joint problems. Very expensive & time consuming problems, so they withheld medical evidence, got age changed, dumped her. Now they claim she scammed them, but that’s a lie. Sad JRE didn’t investigate before joking about her & perpetuating their lies
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  744. Dr Phil was in Nov 2019
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  745. People wait 5-10yrs for a baby. It’s older children who need homes. But these children in foreign orphanages are in such dire straits
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  746. Nonsense. She was proven to be a child. And her not-new-anymore father is a dam hero for taking her in. Creepy dad Barnett actually confessed, but then recanted once he lawyered up.
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  747.  @elhuron9486  No. Sampled her bone marrow?? That’s not how they determine age. They take x rays. Children have growth plates. Adults do not. She was x rayed multiple times. Doc in 2010 est her age at 8. In 2012 est her age at 11. In 2017 est her age at 14. She was definitely a child. There are even 2 dentists who took x rays. In 2011 est her at 8-9. In 2012 est her at 6-9. No testing can give an exact age. But the various x rays, which cannot be faked, show unequivocally that she was a child.
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  748. No, she was actually 9. Her fraudulent amended birth certificate said she was 23. Even her birth mother has been located and confirmed by DNA.
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  749. Modern science can absolutely distinguish a child from an adult. Children have growth plates, up to approximately age 16 for females, 18 for males.
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  750. No, this was a real child. X rays proved it. Dental x rays too. Now even the birth mom confirmed. The movie clearly provided the parents a narrative for their lies about this kid
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  751. Because she was really a child and severely disabled on top of it
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  752. Mister I’m wondering the same as you- What is happening in this country- but for different reasons. These people get arrested, then come out with a fantastical story, & people believe them?!?
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  753.  @user.0704  I read the prosecution & defendants filings on the court website. As well as medical records posted by DePauls and their experiences w the girl, her orig adoptive parents before Barnetts and their experience w Kristine Barnett. I watched every interview Barnetts did, as well as the one the girl did. I also read the local reporting done by the journalists actually in the courtroom (Dave Bangert, Ron Wilkins). I read all the different parties social media before they were shut down or privated. I researched the heck out of this. There is no reasonable doubt concerning this girls age. She was born Sept 2003
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  754. @Blackie Nuff But they’d def be interested in this child, and any other child turned into a “legal” adult for unknown nefarious purposes. The perfect crime. Girl’s lucky she got away
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  755.  @adlereagle123  Actually, figuring out the “what” wasn’t very difficult. Barnetts are lying. Figuring out the “how”, as in How did they get away with it, takes more effort. Figuring out the “why” is more subjective
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  756. Yes they could have filed suit alleging fraud against the agency & prior parents. IF their story was true then they would have. But it wasn’t true so they chose the sneaky route
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  757. The Barnetts accusations certainly are out of a movie. Fantastical beyond belief.
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  758. They did find birth mom, who has original birth records, proving the Barnetts are liars & she was a real child. But Natalia still lives w the family who rescued her back in 2013
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  759.  @GospelOfTimothy  Sadly, they also have 3 biological sons. Didn’t do them any favors either. Ma Barnett actually built a career on her oldest son’s back. And THAT is a whole ‘nother story
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  760.  @GospelOfTimothy  These degenerates had the perfect victim. They actually were charged. With 8 felonies. But now 3 have been dropped due to the Statute of Limitations. And worse, the Court of Appeals ruled the state cannot proceed with the other 5 felonies on the basis of her being a child, due to legal technicalities (res Judicata and collateral estoppel). The state can only proceed on the basis of her disabilities. No justice for this kid. She needs to sue them personally, for personal injury, deprivation of rights and defamation. I’d gladly contribute to that legal fund.
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  761.  @GospelOfTimothy  I hope so too. She actually turned 18 in Sept 2021 (on paper 32). But is under gag order right now which might be reducing her opportunity to seek counsel.
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  762. Let your child be adopted by Americans, they said. She’ll have a good life, they said. She will get the surgeries she needs, they said. What a horrifying turnout for that innocent little girl 🥲
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  763. All they heard was the accused parents preposterous alibi and as a result caused further harm to an innocent disabled teenager
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  764.  @yoitsdan  You mentioned Tim’s joy at hearing she “tried to kill her foster parents”. That accusation (that she tried k1LL) was nothing more than a transparent attempt by the parents to distract from what They did. Namely turning a child into a legal adult so they could legally ditch her
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  765. I can forgive the geopolitical ignorance. It’s taking the side of abusive parents with an outrageous & preposterous alibi that I can’t see past.
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  766. Depends what you consider proven. A judge siding with the parents & declaring her born in 2003, or 2 orthopedic surgeons & 2 dentists & 2 pediatricians & 1 endocrinologist who say Child.
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  767. The family who took in Natalia abused & neglected her. It’s a miracle she survived, a real child not an adult
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  768. That movie came out a year before they met her. The similarities suggest they copied their accusations from the movie
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  769. The parents weren’t creative enough to come up w their own false allegations (meant to distract from what THEY did to her)
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  770. More like Never place your baby for adoption. They could end up worse off with parents like Barnetts.
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  771. They did. FULL skeletal survey to examine growth plates in June 2012. Orthopedic surgeon said she was about 11. Of course Those results weren’t shared with judge changing her age
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  772. @auction hustle Sorry I misunderstood. They did, though, take her to their family doc Dr McLaren on May 24 2010, which was very soon after getting her. Also to an endocrinologist Dr Riggs in Oct 2010 & he estimated her age at 8. These were before the adoption was finalized in November 2010 (In case you’re wondering, The info about 2 of those dr visits was in the probable cause affidavit; McLaren’s first meeting with her was in the Dr McLaren letter Kristine released; the date the adoption was finalized was in another court document Kristine gave to WISH8).
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  773. Tippecanoe is the good county. The detective there was relentless, investigation spanned 5 yrs. It’s Marion Co who are the morons, adding 14 yrs to a child’s birth certificate
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  774. When they signed her up for social security income they made sure the checks were coming to them. How magnanimous of them, shifting their parental obligations to the state, but spending her money on her, as required by law. But why they controlling her money if she was an adult?? And what happened after they moved to Canada?
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  775. There’s a few stories like that. But these clowns are claiming an 18yr old passed as a kindergartner. It’s horse pucky. Pure grumpy. They just had buyer’s remorse
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  776. What is the name of the school (or first letter)? What year was that?
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  777. Relax. You can rest assured that this is nothing more than common child neglect with an uncommon defense
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  778.  @Dirteater6963 She’s still with the family that rescued her back in 2013. Almost 10 yrs now, no issues. She’s 19
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  779. If your child with Downs Syndrome turned 18 can you stick them in an apt all alone? How bout your elderly parent living with you, can you kick them all alone to an apt? Not in Indiana
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  780.  @davidlangley2064  You asked a question and I answered it. Neglect of a Dependent of any age is a crime in Indiana. They put her in danger and neglected her health.
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  781. All you “know” are the unsubstantiated accusations of the parents who are themselves accused by the state of some pretty horrific neglect of their adopted disabled daughter.
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  782. So sad, like when Gypsy Rose’s mom found out Gypsy had cancer. Oh, wait, hold up, Gypsy didn’t have cancer, her crazy mom was lying. Just like the Barnetts who are liars
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  783. Any doubt dissipated when 40yr old birth mom was DNA confirmed. Kid was born 2003. Parents STILL got away w/it due to legal technicalities
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  784.  @chiefblanko  You’re not lyin’. In fact, you’ll find my comments standing up for Natalia on all the videos about her, all across uTube
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  785. No, the movie preceded their adoption of her. Provided a template for their ludicrous accusations against her.
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  786. She didn’t get ideas from anywhere. She was an actual child. THEY are the ones who promoted their preposterous accusations as being like the movie Orphan
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  787. No. That movie came out before the Barnetts even adopted her. It seems they are trying to use the make believe movie to make their wild accusations believable
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  788. They really are. It’s shameful. But make no mistake, she is also a child (actually a 17 yr old now)
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  789. That’s where Barnetts got their preposterous story from
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  790. Neither. The parents copied the movie, used it as a template for their fantastical accusations. They’re the con artists. She was a genuine child
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  791. So irresponsible and just mean spirited. They are literally laughing about a child victim.
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  792.  @mobxcag Hasbulla is 10 months older than her. He looks young cause he has hypopituitarism (low growth hormone); she has a diff disorder
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  793.  @nathanpm The girl actually was a child. Born in 2003. The adoptive parents are liars. It’s a miracle the kid didn’t end up dead
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  794.  @franminky7763  They found her birth mother. The original birth certificate saying born 2003 was correct all along.
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  795. Joe made this seem like a joke. Repeated the indicted parents preposterous claims As If she was the one on trial. What a shame. Instead of asking how in the h3ll a judge can add 14 YEARS to an adopted kid’s birth year without holding a hearing, at a minimum, and appointing the 8 yr old an attorney before transforming her into a 22 yr old with the stroke of a pen.
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  796. How many enrolled in kindergarten? She arrived in the US w/her new parents who’d traveled thousands of miles to Ukraine to adopt her, then 2yrs later rehome her like a dog
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  797.  @hicks3749  So the orphanage housed this adult and just bided their time until they got a couple of Americans on the hook? And the doctors played along? Come on man
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  798. That’s the family who rescued her back in Aug 2013. She’s been with them ever since.
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  799. They had to have copied the movie, their accusations against her too similar & outlandish. Came out B4 they adopted
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  800. When I’m tempted to rip on Indiana for letting 2 losers turn an 8 yr old into a 22 yr old, I remind myself that Indiana also produced the Mans, who rescued her over 8 years ago. Good people.
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  801.  @thelenardjourney8525  A severely disabled, weak and tiny 7-8yr old tried to murder them? Poppycock.
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  802. Gross! She was a real child. The Barnetts are the liars here, not her
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  803.  @jaimep456  It’s crazy to me they got away with this as long as they have. She does have dwarfism (Diastrophic Dysplasia). The worst thing is that her doctors haven’t been able to get approval for the surgeries she needs because of the conflict between her physical age (aka real age) and her legal age. That’s what the orthopedic surgeon told the detective. Said she has become more disabled and suffers from daily pain rated as an 8 out of 10. She wouldn’t need a walker right now if she had the surgeries she needs. The Barnetts didn’t just leave her. The fraudulent age change has left her in pain and they simply didn’t care. Hasn’t been able to go to regular school either because that stops at age 22. Literally impacted her entire future and sentenced her to a life in poverty. As for their son, your opinion of how they treated him is dependent upon whether you believe he ever really had autism. If you read Kristine’s book, like I did, you will read that his neuropsychologist told them when he was about 11 that he was “fully recovered”. No sht. Supposedly fully recovered from severe autism. Which begs the question did he really ever have it to begin with? Of course, this paved the way for Kristine’s new career selling her propriety “Spark method” to desperate parents of kids with autism. She says all parents can pull their child out of autism if they try hard enough. The other 2 sons she homeschooled and wrote that they graduated homeschool high school at ages 10 & 12. Neither one of those boys went to college. So it appears to me she was selling the idea that she was this amazing mother turning her kids into geniuses. There is so much more to this family than most people are aware of, beyond their claims about Natalia.
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  804. Actually that movie came out a year before they adopted her. It looks like they copied the script
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  805. They can’t even tell this is a child, not an adult. We can’t expect them to know geography
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  806.  @BrandAccount-ec2rx  Because of legal technicalities, the jury was not allowed to know anything about the age change and were not allowed to hear the evidence that proved she was genuinely born in 2003. On top of that the Statute of Limitations meant they only faced charges for acts that occurred after July 2014. They stuck her in Apts starting in 2012. By 2014 she’d been rescued by the Mans. That’s why they got off. If they could have been charged for the neglect in 2012 & 2013 they’d have been convicted for disability neglect. But child neglect? Nope. They pulled off the perfect crime
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  807. She wasn’t pretending to be 6. When Barnetts adopted her in 2010 she actually was 6.
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  808. Learn to think for yourself.
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  809. @Solvem Probler Studios Mind my own business in the YouTube comment section?? What??
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  810. @Solvem Probler Studios I said “learn to think for yourself” because I inferred from your comment that you have accepted Joe’s take on this travesty. You think what happened is funny because you think the parents were foolishly conned. They were not. They are the perpetrators of child abuse (child neglect is child abuse). If you had taken the time to think for yourself, you would have discovered that before you laughed about a disabled adoptee being mistreated and maligned. Perhaps you could even learn something from your mistake. You seem to value logic based upon your saved videos.
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  811. Yea, abusive parents lying to cover their misdeeds happens quite often. What IS unusual is someone with Joe’s standing taking up for the freakin child abusers
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  812.  @keithrich5865  They DID take her to the dentist. Twice. Both dentists told them she was a child. They knew she was a child. They absolutely knew. And they did it anyway. If you want to read the actual evidence, go to the Indiana court website and look under Michael P Barnett. Click on The first case (there are 3), it has links to the documents. Read the amended probable cause affidavit that’s under the first highlighted link. It’s case number 20A-CR-01968. I’ll spell out the court link so it doesn’t get blocked. It’s—- mycase dot in dot gov (dot meaning to type a period, so mycase period in period gov ; “in” is lowercase short for Indiana)
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  813.  @keithrich5865  There sure is. It’s actually a really horrific story. The ease with which they had 14 years added to her birth certificate. 14 years! Think about how long that really is. They stuck her in the psych ward as an 8 year old child. When she was discharged 2 months later she was 22 years old. The court didn’t even hold a hearing. That is undisputed. No hearing. Which means no testimony taken. No independent verification. They filed their motion and actually never had to step foot in the courtroom. 11 days later, order was signed and birth certificate amended. I would have never dreamed something like this could happen in America. But it did. And now we got influential people like Joe Rogan swallowing it hook line and sinker. I was so impressed with Joe’s guests on coronavirus, esp the dr he had on. This coverage came as a huge disappointment
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  814. It was formerly St. Vincent Children’s Hospital but in response to Mr Manning’s extreme generosity the hospital’s name was changed in 2007. They treat children with chronic complex conditions
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  815.  @thatnthese7653  Sounds good. Thanks for the heads up
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  816. They are criminals. The worst kind. The ones that hurt innocent children, then blame their victim.
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  817. No PhD for dad. He was a mngr at Circuit City before they closed. Now he works in the oh-so-respectable-definitely-not-scamming-people payday loan industry
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  818. Naw, they figured out how expensive & stressful & time consuming it is to care for a child w disabilities
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  819. The Barnetts copied the script. The movie had been out a yr before they adopted her. Too many similarities
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  820. They absolutely were POS
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  821. I hope you mean the Mans. The ones that rescued her back in 2013. They’ve been her unofficial parents ever since. No psychiatric issues with the loving parents.
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  822. Trying to make lies make sense tends to confuse a person. The truth is She Was A Child. Full stop. Her birth mother has been located, confirmed by DNA testing. Bmom is 40. Relinquished her at birth because of her deformities. Adopted 4 years later by an East Coast family. Re-adopted by the Barnetts 2 yrs later in 2010 at age 6. Re-aged from 8 to 22 in 2012 then Ditched. Here’s the Drs that say she was a child-Kuldanek, Maskill, Demetris, Riggs, Thompson, Harris, Spencer, Millis, Emans, Those last 3 are also professors at Harvard Medical School, and Ronald Deckard dentist. Ya know what dr said she was adult? ONE family practitioner Andrew McLaren (also the father’s doctor)
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  823. Ukrainian law forbids foreigners from adopting kids under age 6, unless the child is disabled in some way. The Ukrainian “baby factories” are done via surrogacy. Ukrainian law since 2002 makes the ones who hired the surrogate the legal parents, as opposed to the birthing mother being the legal parent. This makes it a prime country for foreigners looking for a baby.
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  824. That’s correct. She was spending the weekend with the DePauls when, they said, she lost her first baby tooth and they have the pictures proving it. From Oct 2009. Barnetts are lying.
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  825. Yea, the parents claims are almost exactly like the movie that came out before they adopted her. When your alibi mirrors a fantastical Hollywood movie.....
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  826. Google her name and look at the photos a prior family took. She’s missing her front baby teeth. There’s no way she was an adult. Adults don’t lose teeth and grow new ones
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  827. Orphan was a real movie, but it is not “this”. This is a case of child neglect and character assassination after getting caught.
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  828. Yes, the parents are the sociopaths and the general public is stupid AF to buy their bullsht
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  829. Awesome people don’t make fun of an abused & abandoned kid. Awesome people don’t support child abusers by giving credence to their fantastical alibi. Maybe he should have read the police report https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6454753-Probable-Cause-Affidavit.html
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  830. Yea and when she’s there he can apologize to her face for laughing & acting like She was a scammer. The truth is she WAS a child. Medical & dental records and birth records prove it
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  831. But she didn’t. The parents ditched her because of her disability, then used that disability to sway public opinion into believing a preposterous story. Think about it. It’s unbelievable on its face
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  832. He’s why they dumped their disabled adopted child. They didn’t want to tend to her high needs. Truth be told there was a lot of exaggeration about Jake too
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  833. She really was a child, now a teenager
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  834. She is living with the family who rescued her after Barnetts fled to Canada. Since Aug 2013, almost 8 yrs now. What’s that tell ya? Barnetts are liars
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  835. But this isn’t a case of undocumented immigration. She had a legit birth certificate, until the adopters got it amended
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  836. She’s with the family that rescued her over 8 years ago (Mans).
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  837. Are you talking about their mug shots?
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  838. They copied it nearly scene by scene
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  839. Are you related to the Barnetts (the ones arrested) or the Ciccones (the first adopters) or the Mans (the ones who rescued her)?? Spill the tea
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  840. For crying out loud, they knew she had dwarfism. They were also given her prior medical records dictating the surgeries she needed. They also Knew she was a child. They didn’t care.
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  841. Exactly. Criminals be getting lazy these days. Borrowing their alibi from Hollywood
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  842. Pretty bad when you’re terribly abused and when the scum finally get arrested people fall for their fantastical alibi
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  843. They’re child abusers. They dumped their disabled kid in an apartment. Now they’re trying to destroy her reputation. Degenerates
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  844. New dad coming in the bathroom to stare at his new daughter naked isn’t alarming at all. No nothing weird about that
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  845.  @Paddy.C  Except that’s not a fact. It’s a straight up lie. Imagine that, eh? Parents accused of abuse lying about their victim.
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  846. You need to watch the movie/documentary Dear Zachary. YOU will laugh your ass off
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  847. I’ve been posting on this video for over 2 years. It’s disgusting that it’s still up. It’s horrifying that it was made in the first place
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  848. The Mans are the ones who rescued her in 2013. 8 years later, still a happy family. It ought to be clear by now that the Barnetts are liars. Grace is her middle name.
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  849.  @Djceo_official  You are mistaken. The family she is with, is part of, is the Mans. They were on Dr Phil together. Her legal parents are the Barnetts, the ones who were arrested & charged
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  850. Not the way they tell it. This is a case of child abandonment and an extreme miscarriage of Justice towards the child. A judge should have Never changed this girls age by 14 YEARS with no due process
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  851. Barnetts tried to get her deported! Which is probably WHY they had her age changed to 22 in the first place. But their scheme Failed. Now the truth is coming out. Cause she was a child all along
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  852. It probably has been done before, but not the way you’re thinking. You see, this girl was legitimately a child. Her age was changed by a judge without any hearing whatsoever, with the court order classified as confidential. All the parents did was file their petition and 11 days later, without talking to anyone, without a hearing or testimony, he signed off and the 8 yr old became a 22 yr old. If the feds really cared about trafficking, they’d investigate this. No one know how many children have been turned into adults and what happened to them afterwards.
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  853. For me it was the laughing over a girl who had her childhood stolen, her education denied and her future foreclosed by her diabolical adoptive parents that did it for me
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  854. That movie is clearly how the Barnetts came up with such a fantastical alibi
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  855. Well, he cannot discern an actual child from an adult, so I’m not surprised he got that part wrong too
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  856.  @irishmade9713  This is one of the most egregious miscarriages of justice I’ve come across lately. I held hope that the Indiana Supreme Court would determine that it was in the interests of justice to allow charges of neglect of a child to go forward, instead they punted. They weren’t even being asked to determine her age. They were asked to allow the State to present all the evidence and let the jury or fact finder to decide. Two out of five Justices wanted to hear the case, three did not. Justice for this girl rested upon 1 person’s decision. While charges for neglect based upon her disabilities are going forward, the Barnetts are once again allowed to perpetuate the falsehood that she was an adult and not a child. I have a daughter almost the same age as Natalia. She’s in college, living her best life, after 4 wonderful years of high school. She’s been afforded every opportunity to succeed. And why not Natalia? Why was she dealt such a raw deal in life through no fault of her own? All it would have taken was 1 or 2 persons in positions of power to prevent this from happening or to correct it after it happened. Now, her situation is even more grievous from the worldwide ridicule & condemnation SHE is receiving, rather than the actual wrongdoers. It just sticks in my craw. The sheer magnitude of the injustice. The lack of any organization that’s been established to stand up for the rights of children, or the rights of adoptees, to take up the mantle and demand accountability on her behalf. Not a single Amicus Brief on her behalf? Oh there were plenty of Amicus when Ms Torry Hansen pinned a note to her adopted son and slapped him on a plane back to Russia. But not a darn peep when 2 parents are allowed to transform their elementary school aged child into a drinking aged adult? It’s just so wrong.
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  857.  @irishmade9713  Thanks for listening, buddy. There’s some informative posts on Reddit if you want to learn more. There’s also a blog, it hasn’t been updated in a while but has links, pics and good info (Justice For Natalia Grace). Most of the reporting is error ridden, but Journal and Courier has done a good job. If you want to read more about the person behind the movie Orphan, beware a lot of sensationalistic lousy reporting. Check out the Irish Times on Barbora Skrlova. Thanks for the well wishes. Same to you.
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  858. Does that sound the slightest bit plausible to you? An elaborate plan, faked documents, tricks everyone, to seize everything she ever wanted, in one moment, she captured it, but then let it slip? Or are the Barnetts simply liars?
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  859. Child abusers getting real lazy these days. Don’t even manufacture their own bs defense anymore, just borrow a movie script.
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  860.  @stephenmolyneux7865  Depends on how you define verified. Verified in a court of law-No, Not yet. True age (child, now teen) Verified with medical and dental records as revealed in probable cause affidavit—Yes. True age verified with DNA confirmed birth mother—Yes. Previous “almost” adoptive family that spent time with her—Yes. Current family whom she’s lived with for the past 7 years—Yes. Photographs from 2009 to present showing expected age progression, from baby teeth/baby face to adult teeth/teen—See for yourself https://images.app.goo.gl/ZTBB6yMCoAnFh4T1A
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  861. The parents are absolutely lying. There isn’t a chance in the world that this kid was a adult. Seriously. Zero chance. Never 1 test said she was an adult. Now even her birth mother was found.
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  862. A lot of Americans don’t know that back then Canada did not allow disabled kids/adults to immigrate. They denied anyone who would need a lot of their free healthcare. Kids with Downs Syndrome? Denied. Kids with cerebral palsy? Denied. Adults with heart disease? Denied. Their immigration policy didn’t change until 2018. They didn’t want to take her, but even if they did they would not have been able to. Worse still, they led other people like the DePauls to believe she was in Canada with them. They cut her off from anyone who would have helped her.
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  863. 3:11 Joe says she looked like a child. Guess what Joe? That’s because she actually was a child. Y’all laughed at a child who was abused because you swallowed that cockamamie story
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  864.  @YoullPayTwice  Yes they did test her bones, and the results were that she was a child. Tested her teeth, too. Results? Child. Found her birth mother , too. Results? Child
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  865. When perpetrators cannot be bothered to think up their own accusations. Plagiarism at its finest
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  866. That’s the criminal defendants story. Far fetched and utterly preposterous. An adult passed as a kindergartner?! No way, no how
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  867. He’s not looking 8 anymore.
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  868. Well, that’s what happens when you fashion your alibi after a movie
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  869. And?? I saw Frosty the Snowman, too, but I’m not waiting around for my snowman to come to life.
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  870. What’s almost funny is how many people believe the ripped-from-the-silver-screen defense.
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  871.  @charliewaters5289  There was NO child protective services case. CPS motioned the court for permission to file a CHINS petition. It was denied. No petition = No CPS case. Try again.
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  872.  @charliewaters5289  The CPS motion was dismissed without prejudice. The judge in that case merely took judicial notice of the 2012 order. It wasn’t decided upon the merits. The motion for permission to file the petition was denied. No petition was filed. Try again. Read the court documents that are available online for free.
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  873. Where do you think the Barnetts got the idea from? Copied the movie. The movie was fictional, just like their absurd accusations
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  874. How would an agency get away with this? Do you know the name of the agency? If an agency lied to such a degree wouldn’t you sue them? Wouldn’t you name & shame them? But they didn’t?
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  875. You can’t “know” something that isn’t true. Just like you can’t Know 1+3=5. This girl’s birth mother was found. She gave birth to her in 2003, just as her original birth certificate indicated
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  876. She was adopted. That means he was her brother. He seems to have peaked in his youth. Still listed as a Resident PhD student at Perimeter. so no PhD yet. He’s 24 now
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  877. Joe really should do an update. It’s sad that people are coming away supporting the parents when it’s the girl who deserves support
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  878. This poor kid. Abused and accused.
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  879. East coast fam travels to Ukraine & adopts her July 2008. Born Sept 2003, she was 4. Movie released in US 2009. Re-adopted by Barnetts May 2010. Currently 18, but 32 legally
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  880. That’s actually the county name, but yea, kinda hilarious
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  881. It’s NOT possible! The criminal defendants have borrowed from a movie script for their fantastical defense. She was a child, not a 20yr old fooling immigration & passing for 6
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  882. Joe should fire whoever on his staff brought him this story and misrepresented it so badly. She absolutely was a real child who was seriously harmed by her adoptive parents
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  883. Wasn’t about her. Orphan was inspired by Barbora Skrlova. The girl here is an actual child who had her childhood stolen by her adoptive parents & her future foreclosed. Bad people those Barnetts
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  884. I agree. Talking about an actual minor that way? One who was victimized by the people who adopted her? Disgraceful
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  885. No, she hasn’t sued them, but I hope she does. And the state and every other sorry excuse for a human being who enabled the Barnetts abuse of her, and everyone who defamed her.
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  886.  @goblingoochgobbler5759  She was a child. Confirmed. Medical and dental x rays. I get most people don’t understand the medical and dental evidence, but that their alibi was a Hollywood movie should have given you pause.
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  887. The real horror is that which was visited upon Natalia when those 2 losers adopted her. She was a child, they fraudulently got her age changed, then dumped that 9yr old child like a dog
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  888. How about the little bitch boi?. Acting all afraid of a 30 in tall little girl. Heavily armed with thumbtacks and lemon pledge. Him and Kristine are nutty liars
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  889. Can I add an additional reason? It’s that she really was a child and he should have investigated Before taking the side of her abusers.
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  890. The monsters are the people who adopted a severely disabled child then dumped her when she became a burden to them and their aspirations for their “genius” biological son
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  891.  @Aziz.phenomenal  Knock it off. Talking about an innocent victim, a human being who’s never been considered a suspect of any crime, with such dehumanizing vocabulary on the basis of the criminal defendants scurrilous allegations. She was a real child. Maybe do some research. You can do it in one stop at the blog defending her called Justice For Natalia Grace
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  892.  @Aziz.phenomenal  It takes all of 30sec to find the blog, all her pics in chronological order. There’s pics of when she lost her very first baby tooth 6 months B4 Barnetts got her. Why don’t you take a look then come back and explain a supposed adult losing her front tooth like most other 6 yr olds.
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  893. Orphan has zero to do with this case, save for the parents trying to convince people she was just like Esther in Orphan. Look up Barbora Skrlova for the true story behind the movie.
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  894. They knew she was a child, not an adult. They just didn’t care. Typical
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  895.  @nutterbutterpop8193  How did the court say differently 3 years ago when they were arrested and charged with multiple felonies?
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  896. Yea, supposedly the first night while still in FL. But they told no one and brought her back to IN and finalized the adoption 6 whole months later. Pfft. Their story doesn’t add up
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  897. Obviously? A mouth full of baby teeth says child. Don’t let the Barnetts fantastical claims short circuit your critical thinking skills. An adult infiltrated a kindergarten? No way No how
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