Comments by "Newbie Prepper" (@newbieprepper8451) on "The Most Revealing Clips From Rittenhouse's Testimony" video.
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@nrf91 valid point, and i tend to agree, Rittenhouse should not have been there. but given that Rittenhouse worked there, and had friends there, and there are some reports claiming he had family there, that creates a connection to the community in the same way that Trevon had a connection to the community he was walking through. in either case, it is wrong simply to attack someone for believing that person does not belong there, and it is disgustingly wrong to actually stalk someone because that shows intent to attack. what did Rittenhouse do to deserve being attacked? its all in the eye of the beholder, people say he was a threat because he had a gun, even though he never used his gun or even pointed it at anyone that was not directly attacking him. same question about Trevon, what did he do to deserve being stalked and attacked? he simply walked through a neighborhood where someone else perceived him as a threat.
as for you trying to say that "If anything, Zimmerman, another cop wannabe with a gun who used it to kill innocent people, is the better analogy." shows that you think Rosenbaun was innocent, even though you admit in your first sentence that Rosenbaum was acting as the agressor.
you cant have it both ways, either Rosenbaum was the aggressor or he was innocent, and if you think he was innocent then him stalking and attacking what he perceived as a threat was justified. and if stalking and attacking someone you perceive as a threat is justified then please go tell Trevons parents that Zimmerman was justified in stalking and attacking Trevon.
the whole event boils down to this. Rosenbaum had several interactions with Rittenhouse that night before being shot, and at no point during those interactions did Rosenbaum try to attack Rittenhouse because he perceived him as a threat since Rittenhouse was open carrying the whole entire time. you cant argue that that someone who sees a man with a gun doesnt think of him as a threat and doesnt disarm him but then later decides that he is a threat when that "threat" has done nothing threatening the whole time. its like me sitting in a park and you walk by with a gun and i dont try to disarm you but later i try to disarm you even though you have done nothing to become a threat, i didnt perceive you as a threat the first or the second time i saw you with a gun, and you didnt use the gun in a threatening manner, so how can i argue that i seen you as a threat the 3rd time around?
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@AlanDantes76 yea, he got it from his friend who lives in WI and bought it in WI, so anyone doing any news coverage should be doing due diligence and researching it. i heard people say that he did transport it across state lines and i heard people that said he did not transport it across state lines, so with 2 differing viewpoints and an absence of any charges to the transporting of firearms across state lines i decided to do my own research, and google came up with a link to an NPR article within 0.016 seconds, top of the search list. so i read the NPR article, which literally said that the IL state police declined to file any charges because in the course of their investigation they concluded that the weapon was bought, stored, and used exclusively in WI and has never been brought to IL, according to the IL state police statement. so at that point i figured ok, NPR quoted an actual police department that did an actual criminal investigation. another funny thing that made me question the whole transporting weapons across state lines was, why was Rittenhous's friend who lives in WI charged with gun charges related to this case.
people dont do enough research, they listen to pundits who have an agenda, and they are twisted into wanting revenge and thinking it is justice. the same people who will claim that Zimmerman was wrong for stalking and attacking Trevon even though he perceived him as a threat are the same people that think it was perfectly OK for Rosenbaum to stalk and attack Rittenhouse because he viewed him as a threat. i believe that NO ONE is allowed to stalk and attack anyone else, stalking is a crime, at least here in Chicago, so is physically attacking someone, so is threatening to kill someone.
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@AlanDantes76 Rosenbaum had also threatened to kill Rittenhouse on at least 1 instance as testified to by witnesses, and some people are claiming that Rosenbaum had threatened to kill Rittenhouse on 2 occasions, although i have not seen the testimony of that, but i did see that there was testimony that Rosenbaum had threatened to kill Rittenhouse at least one time, with Rittenhouse standing right there.
in my book, you cant threaten to kill someone, that in itself is a crime all on its own, and in many municipalities is an arestable offense, but you cant threaten to kill someone, then stalk them and then attack them, as was shown on drove surveilance footage.
anyone who has a threat against them and is being stalked and then physically attacked by that person can not claim to be the victim.
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@AlanDantes76 ok, so Rosenbaum threatenned Rittenhouse just once, i know i heard testimony that it happened at least once, but i have also heard some people say that it happened more than once but i cant confirm that, all i heard was that there was one instance of a threat.
as far as i know, threatening someones life was a crime in most jurisdictions, defined as assault. so yea, if someone threatens to kill me, and its not in a joking and friendly manner such as a friend smacktalking me that they will totally kill me and referring to a game or something, but literally someone i have never met before on the street threatening to kill me, i would take it as a serious threat.
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@lynneanderson4255 wow, lets go over all 4 of your points.
1. being a minor is knowledge obtained POST event, and during the riot absolutely NO ONE knew his age, you cant attack someone because you THINK someone might be too young.
2. you are a fucking liar, plain and simple, he NEVER took a firearm across state lines.
3. you are still a fucking liar because ye never took any weapon across state lines, and the only people he killed were people trying to kill him first. but if you want to use hind sight, fine, the first person he killed was a damn PEDo which deserved being killed. throw a PEDO in prison and EVERY prisoner there will agree they need to kill the PEDO, even rival gangs will call a truce simply to work together to kill the PEDO.
4. Rittenhouse shoots and kills 2 people that were attacking him, and the 3rd person he shot WAS pointing his gun at his head ready to shoot, he even admitted on the witness stand that Rittenhouse shot him in self defense.
whats obscene is that you think its ok for someone to be attacked and they dont have any right to defend themselves. hopefully a PEDO comes along and kicks you in the head a few times and then some wifebeater comes by to smash your face in with a skateboard and then a 3rd moron comes by and puts a gun in your face and squeezes the trigger, because you think all those things are acceptable.
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@rabadeuce814 and there you start crossing the line, hopefully the FBI monitors these comments and decides to investigate you, because now you are starting to sound like you are going to go to riots and shoot people for no other reason that your own percieved threat, and since you are already planning it on here, thats pre-meditated, they call that murder 1.
first, if you are going to go to riots in support of rioters, check the local jurisdictions laws pertaining to firearms, make sure you are allowed to carry and what you intend to carry is not banned under local law.
and then with your reasoning, no, you dont get to shoot anyone who you feel threatens you, Rittenhouse didnt shoot anyone he felt threatened him, he shot at people that the prosecution demonstrated on video were already in the act of attacking him. but yea, you go off to a riot in support of rioters and then shoot at people you feel threatened you, see what happens, you might not even make it to a trial before law enforcement takes you out.
its obvious you dont know anything about the law or about self defense law or justifications or cases. maybe you should talk to a lawyer before enacting your great plan.
oh and by the way, dont do what you are planning to do in Chicago, we do not allow open carry, and we require a FOID and CCW for concealed carry of pistols, and you cant conceal carry any type of long gun.
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@patrickbranchini378 and what crime was Rittenhouse commiting? did anyone call the cops on Rittenhoue to report his criminal activity? no, no one did, becaue at the time no one had any credible or reasonable information that would point to Rittenhouse committing a crime. you cant simply claim someone is committing a crime and then use information gained after the fact to justify your actions, you dont want cops doing that do you? if a cop stops and frisks a bad guy you claim its a violation of that guys rigths even if the cop finds a gun and drugs on him, because he had no reason to assume the guy was committing a crime, but yet you flip the script around and all of a sudden its ok to stalk and attack a guy without any reason and then later get information to prove your intent.
as for ill intent, please tell us what intent did the guy who fired off shots into the air as Rosenbaum was chasing Rittenhouse? what was that guys intent on carrying a firearm at a protest? and on top of it discharging it negligently in the air too? woops, there goes another kid hit by a stray bullet because a peaceful protestor shot his gat in the air. and Grooskreutz, what was his intent for carrying a firearm at the protest, as he testified, he was carrying his firearm illegally, its cut and dry, he knew he didnt have a permit to carry his weapon concealed, yet he did it anyway. i guess those guys had ill will, but you wont look at them. you have no moral high ground to stand on.
as for you carrying at a Trump rally, if the secret service doesnt stop you, then so be it. but just for the record, lets say you could bring a riffle to a Trump rally, and someone decided to stalk you and then attack you for no reason other then they perceived you as a threat and you had to shoot them, then i guess i would be on the witness stand doing the same thing that every single witness for the prosecution did, and that is to admit that you acted in SELF DEFENSE.
i have always been forgiving of a persons right to defend themselves, no matter the affiliation or political bias or skin color, but with you i guess none of that matters, because a white kid being stalked by a PEDO and then attacked by that same PEDO is perfectly justifiable, and the real tragedy is that you cant even explain why its justifiable.
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@dnate697 you want to claim that Rosenbaum was not armed, fine, i give you that, that doesnt mean that an unarmed person can not cause harm or even kill someone, its as if though you are willfully grasping at any straws out there to defend a man that attacked someone else simply because you agree with their ideology.
as for where Kyle went, who gives a rats ass where Kyle went, Rosenbaum went there too, so did Grooskreuts (illegally armed survivor). i dont see you complaining about them being there?
you trying to argue that Rittenhouse shouldnt have been there with a gun is like a rapist trying to argue that his victim shouldnt have been in the dark alley with a miniskirt.
as for the ambush being a poor joke, guess the joke is on you, because in DAY 1 of the prosecutions testimony they revealed FBI drone footage of Rosenbaum clearly stalking and ambushing Rittenhouse.
but i get it, you think its OK and justified to attack someone if they have a weapon, glad to see that you agree that the cops who shot Jacob Blake were justified since he ADMITTED he was going for a knife (weapon) and therefore these riots in his support shouldnt have even occured in the first place.
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