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'The Voice' represents the greatest every threat to Australian democracy since the federation was formed in 1901. There can be no doubt the full membership of 'the voice' will be activists with a hard left leaning. As such it is inevitable 'the voice' will form strong alliances with the left side of politics, and the left leaning media, a mutual benefit to both parties. 'The voice' will be motivated to be friendly, cooperative, and assist the left side of politics to gain and hold office.
However, the complete opposite will happen when the right side of politics gains office (and it will at some time in the future). 'The voice', full of hard left activists, will do everything within its power to block, be disruptive as possible, and work toward getting the right of politics out of office.
It will operate as a 'third chamber', a third unelected chamber committed to entrenching just the left of politics. This is the reason it represents the greatest threat to Australian democracy since federation.
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Hey Kerry, how come my suburb in an 'LGA of Concern' with its stupid restrictions eg, nightly curfews, has vastly lower current cases of covid than places like .... Elizabeth Bay, Potts Point, Ruscutters Bay, Millers Point, Baulkham Hills, etc, etc.
Perhaps you'd like to explain the 'science' involved. That's the medical science, not the political science.
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Australia's wealth and standard of living has always depended on farming and mining. Both need to be protected. And if Australia wants to reduce its dependency on China, as well as support a middle class, it needs a manufacturing base. The ONLY competitive advantage Australia once had for manufacturing was cheap energy. Every other criteria e.g. labor costs, production scale, distance from markets, etc, etc, etc, Australia is at a MAJOR disadvantage.
If Australia wants to remain become a 3rd world backwater, with educated elites doing reasonably well and the rest of the population a bunch of poor Uber eats delivery workers, just keep going down the existing path to ruin.
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"The Australian caravan and camping industry is a $23 billion industry that directly employs 53,000 people, manufactures 25,000 vehicles per annum, services over 740,000 vehicles on the road, generates 12 million trips and creates 60 million visitor nights across the country."
Without large diesel powered SUV's to tow these caravans the industry will DIE! And the number of people indirectly employed e.g. caravan park employees, coffee shops in small towns, etc, etc, there is probably another 10,000 people.
Just one more example of Labor not giving a stuff about 'working people'.
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While this news item doesn't name the islands, a likely one is Saibai. Some facts about this glorified mangrove swamp with a LONG history of flooding.......
"Saibai Island is located 8 kilometres (5.0 mi) south of the Papua New Guinea mainland, formed by deposited alluvial silt. The island is about 21.8 kilometres (13.5 mi) in length by 5.2 kilometres (3.2 mi) in width, and is flat, predominantly mangrove swamplands, with the highest point being 1.7 metres (5 ft 7 in) above mean sea level, and prone to flooding during the wet season, which coincides with king tides. The main village of Saibai, in the northwest, has a population of 171. The second village, Churum in the southwest, numbers 128."
"After Saibai Island was devastated by abnormally high tides wave after World War Two, a group of Saibai islanders accepted Government assistance to resettle on Cape York. The village of Saibai was totally flooded by 10 metres (33 ft) of water."
Seems there is NOTHING new about flooding of the island.
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Just read a perfect example of the nonsense spread by left wing media, in this case NBC. Another issue all due to 'climate change', supposedly. But then you come to this statement ....."Scientists have observed an increase in the intensity of surface winds, combined with a steady rise in greenhouse gas emissions, since the 1990s. But McPhaden said the exact links between increased greenhouse gases and faster ocean currents are still unknown. We're not 100 percent certain how all this is driven by climate change," he said. "Our paper flagged that this acceleration is occurring, but why exactly this is happening, and the precise mechanisms, have not been ferreted out in great detail yet."" https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/climate-change-models-predicted-ocean-currents-would-speed-not-soon-n1135176
Clearly the people at NBC or those doing the commentary have never attended even a basic statistics course. Rule number 1: Correlation does NOT prove causation. Birds flying south for the winter is perfectly correlated with the leaves falling off the trees (Northern hemisphere example). Oh! FACT, birds flying South cause the trees to drop their leaves. That's about the level of this 'science'.
P.S. If you go read the source study, they actually say they haven't a clue what is happening, other than their findings about current strength is the complete opposite of previous studies. Science is settled .... LOL!!!! https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/6/6/eaax7727
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NO .... superannuation fund managers should NOT be making political based decisions with fund members money. First of all, the money does not belong to the fund managers. If someone subscribes to this idea, then it is perfectly fine for the same superannuation fund managers to pull investment from companies or countries who do not subscribe to radical climate change goals, or any other political/environmental cause. That's what your promoting Paul Murray, superannuation fund managers become political operatives.
You won't invest in companies in the US military industries, to a climate change extremist the whole global population is facing extinction, so please spare me the line Ukraine is more important (to them). If you pull investments for pure political reason on this issue, it is just the 'thin edge of the wedge' and opens the door for fund managers to play with members money for all manner of political, environmental, or other woke causes.
If fund managers believe Russian investments are bad on purely a financial basis, and so should be reduced, that is a different matter altogether. But to pull investments purely for 'send a message' reasons .... no way Paul Murray.
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Sorry Andrew, can't agree with you on this one. Australians, in Australia, were denied the right to attend their parents funerals, attend their relatives weddings, even visit their elderly parents during the state imposed lock-downs. Basically the attitude we applied to ourselves (right or wrong) was that the greater community good would prevail at the expense of the individual.
Now somehow, in the name of political correctness, we are supposed to reject the very standard we applied to Australian citizens at home, and take a more caring approach to Australian citizens who chose to go oversees (for the exact same reasons we said no to Australians who wanted to travel interstate) against the advice not to do so.
Yes, its tough, and so was the state imposed restrictions to those who wanted to attend their fathers funeral (do people so quickly forget the poor girl who had to wear full PPE just to view her dead farther). But saying no is just being consistent.
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@bobbuliniusbotulismus7129 What is fair about a single income family with the breadwinner earning say $100,000 a year paying significantly more tax than another family where both parents work earning $50,000 each?
What is fair about a self employed person who can income split his earnings with his spouse to reduce their combined tax bill, and a wage earner can't.
What is fair about someone who chooses to sit on their arse and contribute nothing getting a free ride in society on the back of someone who gets off their arse and works hard (paying a lot of tax)?
The reality is the VAST majority of people decide how much they will earn (by the decisions they make related to education, hard work, overtime, lifestyle, location, etc), and so indirectly they decide how much tax they will pay. There is NOTHING fair about someone who decides to work harder, earns more, and has to pay more tax to subsidize the 'cruisers' in society.
Australia's tax system is based SOLELY on the ability to pay..... there is NOTHING "fair" about it whatsoever.
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How high would a 'sugar tax' need to be to crank up the cost of soft drinks to a level that would discourage people from purchasing them? A 10, 20,30% tax would achieve NOTHING from a health outcome, just be a source of revenue for government. And who says 'sugary drinks' are the main problem, try all the processed package crap passing as 'food' full of sugar, fat, salt, and carbs. Parents who feed their kids 'co-co pops' should be sent to prison for child abuse.
Here's a novel idea doc. How about mainstream medical practitioners actually learning something about health? The LAST person I would seek advise on exercise and healthy eating from would be a mainstream medical practitioner. In all my life I've never, not once, had a GP ever ask me what I ate. They are just agents for Big Pharma to prescribe their pill and potents, nothing else. It has a place, but you'll like find the local gym owner a more knowledgeable source for preventative health than your local GP.
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@AP-ei4jt Morrison isn't actually all that smart. That comment isn't a political 'jab', its an honest assessment of his capability. I wrote to him once regarding a particular matter, and to my surprise I did actually get a response. He basically replied as if I was an annoying journalist at a press conference, telling me I was wrong. Dumb, dumb, dumb!
I worked for years in management consulting, and putting recommendation forward was just 'bread and butter' stuff. Only dumb managers want to argue and disagree. Smart ones will thank you for you input, "which will be reviewed with the management team in due course". You know its just code for 'we aren't going to change anything', but that's ok, at least they were pleasant. Morrison would have been better not responding, rather that just piss off a potential voter. He has very poor 'awareness'.
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Graham Norton, the bloke on the right huffing and puffing, and calling for strict lock-downs to remain in place highlights a very important moral question to this matter. Graham Norton is on the public record as having been a heavy chain smoker for most of his life. That is why he is huffing and puffing, he has damaged lungs. If he catches Covid-19 there probably is a good chance he could die.
So..... he chose to smoke, knew full well the consequences of doing so. Now to protect him from his own folly he expects, demands even, that millions of other people suffer significant financial and social pain for possible years, to 'protect' him. And he masquerades this self interest as concern for society, when its really only himself he is worried about, and no doubt with good reason.
Is it right that millions should have to wear massive pain to protect his health from damage that he chose to do to himself, in full knowledge of the damage it was doing? I for one find that idea totally ridiculous and incredible selfish. I don't wish him ill will. But at the end of the day he made his bed, now he has to lie in it. He needs to do whatever it takes to protect himself, but its totally unreasonable to expect others to have to do it for him.
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Interesting to see all her spin doctor friends such as Peta Credlin, Allan Jones, and Paul Murray running the line in support that she is 'just a poor helpless woman, in love and taken advantage of by a cad'. Totally utter nonsense, and just like Gladys herself they all know it.
I spent most of my working life in a senior corporate governance role in the private sector. I often had senior executive ask my 'advice' on a questionably practice. They didn't really want my advice, just wanted me to say that's fine so it couldn't come back to bite them at a latter stage. My 'advice' to them was always, you are the leaders of the company, it is you who set the standard, you cannot expect lower level employees to do the right thing if you are seen to be bending the rules, even thought you think no one other than me and you will know about this, these things always have a way of getting out. Perception is just, if not more important, that reality.
So Glady's as the CEO of the State of NSW, you not only bent the rules, but you actually broke the law (not reporting a corrupt politician to ICAC). You now only have one honorable option available to you, resign immediately. By continuing to hang in, whatever shred of credibility you still have is evaporating, and you will quickly be seen as nothing other than a typical double-standard sleazey politician prepared to do anything and say anything to cling onto power. Go now while you still have some level of credibility among some people (not much in my eyes).
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@matthewwood4756 People seem to overlook that 'old people' have children and grandchildren. Locking down society to 'protect' old people indirectly hurts them, as it hurts their children and grandchildren. From day 1 my attitude was shaped on this matter by my daughter being laid off on the very first day closures were announced, even before 'job keeper' was implemented. As such she was never eligible for it.
I've always been on the side of the young, the business owners, the unemployed workers.
I'm considered old, but don't expect ANYONE to be inconvenienced to supposedly 'look after my health'. If I've allowed myself through a life of eating crap, smoking, excessive alcohol consumption, and sitting on my arse, etc and now have a list of serious comorbidies as long as your arm such as obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, hypertension, etc, etc. that's my self-created problem. I 'made the bed', now I alone should have to sleep in it.
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@lucasroe2878 No doubt what you say is correct. And that's way it is important to put things in context, both in terms of actual events and the time. White children were also 'stolen' from their children by the state during that same time period if the parents were deemed unfit. Just someone being a single mother could be enough for the state to deem them unfit and the children taken and made a ward of the state. And institutions of that time were often strict and harsh, for children of any skin color.
People don't want to acknowledge that the very same problems being experienced in remote communities today, always existed. Domestic abuse, child neglect, poverty drunkenness, violence, etc. were not uncommon.
So to completely rewrite history and simply imply that children were stolen from loving parents in order to breed out 'aboriginality', or make them into 'white fella' as academics have attempted to do isn't true. In fact there is no single truth, just a thousand different stories and circumstances. Not all good, not all bad. Something we still struggle to get right when it comes to child welfare, black or white.
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Andrew Would you like to post up some of the "thousands of studies suggesting 10-20% of the population is not nearly enough" for the general community to have a solid resistance to the serious effects from covid-19. In return I'll post up the dozens of mainstream studies that conclude for reasons they can't quite explain as yet that 10-20% seems to be the case, but believe it has a lot to do with T Cells. It is just NOT about Covid-19 antibodies. That nonsense is the spin of the same people who said 150,000 people would die in Australia.
In the process perhaps you'd like to explain why only 26 people in Singapore have died out of 60,000 reported cases. Just in case your maths is lacking, that's a fatality rate for Singapore of 0.04%, about half that recognized for Influenza. And just where are the Millions of dead Chinese out of a population of 1.5 Billion rather than the 4,600 deaths? Perhaps it all the result of eating fried rice. Oh! That's right, the Chinese have just 'hid' millions of deaths from the world.
But I don't expect a response, because you don't have any facts and about the only thing I agree with is your statement as it applies to yourself, "you hear what you want to hear, because it fits with your retarded belief system."
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@chrisjoyce6321 Yes, a very small number of people under 50 die from covid. Generally (not always) people with significant totally preventable lifestyle diseases e.g obesity, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, cardiovascular disease. Should the whole of society be FORCED to suffer serious financial, social, and mental pain to protest the health of these people when they haven't been prepared to look after their own health. CLEARLY the answer is no. They have every right to abuse their own health, but others shouldn't be asked to bear the cost of their poor lifestyle choices.
So yes, they can be vaccinated, never said under 50's can't if they want. But they should be toward the back of the queue. People die from Influenza and its complications, on average around 4,000 a year (including children). Some are left with life time medical issues, no different to covid or any serious viral infection. We don't lock-down the country to 'protect' this number of people.
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@vmvs1984 As there are so many replies now under the original comment I'm not going to go back and try and find the context of your comment. So just taking what you have written as a standalone comment (which I acknowledge may not do justice) ......
You don't need to "show me another side". Everyone knows the 'other side', it has been thrust down our throats, other than a brief respite for covid paranoia, every day for years.
Yes, mankind hasn't been harmonious with nature, and that why I'm a committed conservationist. BUT, there is a VAST difference between being a committed active environmentalist, and political actors using CO2 to bring about radical social change that will do next to nothing for the environment.
You will not win hearts and minds describing anyone with a different perspective on the best way to tackle the very many environmental issues facing us as " arrogant, ignorant or complacent around the issue of ecosystem dislocation." That's the typical response used by political motivated 'climate extremists'. Anyone who doesn't fully subscribe to their narrow and often inexperienced view of the world lacks the supreme 'education', 'enlightenment', or 'intellect' they believe they uniquely possess.
Not subscribing to the CO2 paranoia is not "doing nothing". In fact people like me believe it highly counterproductive as trillions of dollars are wasted on unproductive ventures where the money could be far better spent on issues that will have a very real and lasting impact on the environment. Cleaning the plastic from the oceans, or diverting water inland in Australia to stop the environment have to compete with farming irrigators for a scare resource on the driest continent on earth are examples. The environment will always loose in that last example, where our major inland river system come to a near stop full of toxic algae and suffocated dead fish by the millions due to lack of water flow. But closing a coal fired power station 1000 kilometers away is somehow going to fix the problem. It won't, it'll do NOTHING for the environment, and actually put the country into a less financial position to be able to do something.
The focus on CO2 is actually a highly unproductive and polarizing approach to addressing the environment. It has virtually nothing to do with the environment. It is all about re-engineering society and a power shift from the West to China. Research who Maurice Strong was (called the farther of climate change). Take the time to fully understand what occurred in 'Climategate' where UN reports were fudged to appease their 'political masters'.
A focus on C02 and the environment is just like a focus on vaccines for covid. The focus to deal with covid should be action to address the level of obesity (over 40% of Americans) and all its associated lifestyle diseases. That's why people are dying from an otherwise quite mild bug. Society has become incredibly unhealthy, that is the problem. Focus on a vaccine, is just power and people wanting to make money. Exactly the same as a focus on CO2 emissions thinking that's addressing the environment. Suggest you read some of Bjorn Lomborg's thoughts on the matter.
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Chris Kenny, a fan of The Voice, stated tonight on his show 'well people shouldn't expect the voice to fix this sort of stuff'. Well WTF is it supposed to be for if it can't address violence, child abuse, incarceration rates, education, socialisation, law and order, substance abuse, homeliness etc, etc, in aboriginal communities which is the very heart of what is happening in this video.
Unless 'The Voice' CAN fix what is occurring in this video, it isn't worth a cracker. What actually is it supposed to fix if not this stuff.
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IMO the 'no' case are lacking the necessary focus in the argument. I realise this is perhaps the case without a centralised no campaign committee, as the 'yes' case surely already has.
To my mind the key argument the 'no' campaign should stick to is (a) we already have a Cabinet Minister (Minister for Indigenous Affairs), a person who identifies as aboriginal (Linda Burney), solely responsible for presenting the aboriginal perspective on legislating affecting aboriginal people. Not only expressing that view, but with actually power via voting rights in the very heart of Executive government (the Cabinet room).
To inform the Minister for Indigenous Affairs there is a wealth of existing aboriginal organisations, both state and federal. Every state has its own Aboriginal Minister along with a complete department. There are around 120 land councils, etc, etc.
If the Minister for Indigenous Affairs isn't informing the rest of Cabinet on aboriginal perspectives in an accurate and timely manner, then either sack the Minister and get someone in who can do the job, or restructure existing organisations to provide the necessary input to the Minister.
That's it, end of story, end of debate. Make the 'yes' campaign respond to what is wrong with the above. I believe they won't be able to, because its just plain old common sense.
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@snowyedgar As I plainly see, you can't refute the position I put to you that Rupert Murdoch has VERY little media influence these days. People love to count up the number of newspaper mastheads he owns and say look controls the media. The reality is the vast majority of his mastheads are regional newspapers. Anyone who knows anything about regional newspapers knows they report SOLELY on local issues. What the local council is doing, how the local sports teams are going. It is rare to find a single State, let alone National, story in them.
The bottom line is that people like you are anti democratic. That's it, period. The name 'Rupert Murdoch' is just a symbolic name given to any media source that presents points of view to which you not agree. You want these sources of different points of view 'cancelled', eliminated from the 'town square' on pretenses such as they are 'misinformation', 'hate speech', 'promoters of white supremacy', 'racist, sexist,' etc. etc. The reality is you just want all differing social and political views to you own silenced. People like you, and the hate and misinformation you spew out are the real threat to democracy.
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@johncrow5552 Don't know whether it qualified as a 'formal complaint'. But she certainly went to the police, was interviewed etc, and for some reason, decided not to proceed with the matter at that time. I think, the 'missing piece' is the police at that time told her there was insufficient evidence, just as they would tell the DPP two years later.
Under oath in court, the reason she claimed she wanted to restart the matter 2 years later was to join the pile-on regarding Christian Porter. I'm now doubting that claim. I've come around to thinking her real motivation from that point on was to sue for money. She must have known there was zero chance of a conviction in a court of law, the police had told her so, surely her legal team would have also.
So why go through all that. There has to have always been some achievable 'prize' at the end. My opinion, all that has just been theater leading to this announcement she plans to sue the taxpayers of Australia for $3 million. We've see over and over just how manipulative she is, and this is the now the final act to play out.
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@abc-yg6tk No its you who don't understand just how dangerous a strategy of keeping everyone confined for 12, or 18 months is till a vaccine is developed. And its you who don't understand that it's unlikely an effective vaccine will be found in this failed public health experiment, at least not in a time-frame to make any difference. And its you who don't understand a person swimming on a remote beach, sitting on their own, fishing in a boat makes ZERO difference to the outcome. FFS the deputy head of heath even stated its punishment, for all the people going to Bondi Beach against their instruction. And its you who don't understand Australia is not Italy, and a larger part of the deaths in Europe are due to government failure to protect people in aged care homes.
And its you who clearly have no understanding or care about the massive damage to millions of people that will be caused by years of isolation and unemployment. Depression, suicide, failed marriages, drug addiction, domestic violence, social unrest, crime. Learn to think.
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@pwillis1589 Explain to me exactly WHY the person earning $150,000 should pay more money to the government than someone earning $80,000. Here's the 'case study'. Two people, doing the identical type of work, both with the exact same family circumstances. Each earn $80,000 a year base salary for a 35 hour week. One of the two however works 7 days a week, which due to overtime, penalty rates, etc lifts his salary up to $150,000 a year. He will get to keep $35,000 of that extra income, and the other $35,000 he has to pay to the government as additional marginal tax. Ok so far?
Now convince me its 'fair' than one of our workers should have to pay the government $35,000 more than the other yet gets no more government services etc. What did the government do to actually deserve an addition $35,000?? Answer, nothing!
There is nothing 'fair' about a progressive tax system. Its 100% about of the ability of government to extract money from someone, like leaches sucking blood. And as Kerry Packer once famously said, "you (the government) don't spend my money wisely enough to want me to give it to you" (or words to that effect).
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@rapslove9873 And just where are 2.2 Million men, women, children, the infirm, the elderly, etc. are going to be relocated, fed, provided with medical facilities, education for the children, etc. etc. etc
The very idea of forcing a whole county to vacate and live in the glorified dirt for many months, if not years, is obscene in the extreme.
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Everything the good Professor said resonated with my understanding, which is HEAVILY influenced by Judith Curry (indisputably a highly credible climate scientist). So I though I'll buy his book, see what he has to say, if nothing else to support the guy. In the process of searching for a source of the book, naturally ran into a lot of reviews of the book. EXACTLY what you expect from the climate warriors, boots and all muck slung from every direction tying to completely 'cancel' the author and personally discredit him. Classic "play the man, not the ball" by the cancel culture.
I simply went to see what Judith Curry thinks of the book, and she gives it a big thumbs up. That endorsement is good enough for me.
Bought it online from Booktopia. I encourage others to do so because besides likely to be informative, it is important to 'fly the flag' and making the book a best seller helps the cause, get the author before cameras, more speaking engagements, etc. Sure, he'll do well financially but so what, others are making a fortune from the opposing narrative.
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@garth9907 You kid yourself if you think I'm worried about offending you. It's to be expected when you challenge any 'religious' belief that relies on pure faith rather than solid scientific facts. I'm just trying to educate you, well not really, perhaps just someone else who happens to read these posts.
Just take one of your popular FAKE NEWS claims, way too long to address all of that nonsense. Pacific Islands..... even the very first Assessment report of the IPCC in 1990 clearly stated pacific atoll islands would not come under threat as long as sea level rise did not exceed 8mm per year, the growth rate of coral. This is 30 year old knowledge. Sea level rise is currently around 2 mm year. I trust you understand the basics, that an atoll is nothing other than a section of coral reef where sand and old coral has been washed up into an 'island' slightly above sea level by storms and ocean currents? It's a glorified sand bank. As the sea level rises, so does the coral, and in turn the 'island'. Not even the most pessimistic credible scientist claims sea level rise is going to accelerate by a factor of 5.
The most recent assessment of the state of pacific atolls by credible studies. FACTS: The majority of pacific atolls (88.6%) are either GROWING in size or retaining their size. The only atolls shrinking in size are small (under 11 hectares) that are uninhabited. That they are uninhabited suggests they were always unstable, long before 'climate change' religion.
Here read this on the subject, rather than The Guardian or whatever biased left wing stuff you seem to be getting your 'information' from ...........https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/wcc.557
Low lying atolls nations ARE suffering real environmental threats, from over fishing, over development, human damage to the reef, and population pressure. Climate change is not one of them.
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@BM-wf9uf Listen my left-wing woke virtue signalling friend, Australia just had a 'climate change' election, and the majority of Australian's rejected it. The majority just say they want 'climate change' because they too want to be virtue signalers like you. But if you ask them do they want their power bills to go up, answer will be no. Do they want a major loss of jobs, possibly their own, no. Do they want to get rid of the SUV, the boat, the big energy hungry house, stop flying in planes ....no, no, no, no. All virtue signalers just like you, and when 'push cones to shove' they don't give a shit really about the environment. At least I do, and money being wasted on 'climate change' should be put to some useful environmental purpose. Something that actually will improve the environment.
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@stevemercer4142 Hi Steve, I'm like you, actually a committed environmentalist. But I see 'climate change' hysteria as a distraction from making real and effective improvements to the environment. An example, I'm a keen fisherman and each year travel to a section of coastline about half way between Sydney and Brisbane. This couple hundred kilometer stretch is the closest thing we have left of pristine coastline wilderness on the East Coast of Australia. While there are some small villages (that's ok) and various National Parks, land developers have their eye on it, big time. They are pushing for the rough dirt road into one of the best parts to be sealed. What? just to get to the campground which fills up no problem in peak seasons. The only reason is to acquire the scattered large undeveloped private land holdings in the area to build housing subdivisions. This is effectively the total destruction of this large remaining nearly pristine area. It would take a tiny fraction of the cost of CO2 reductions in Australia (which have zero effect on global temperatures) to secure this land to incorporate it into the existing National Parks and be preserved for future generations, forever.
I often watch Sky UK when there isn't much on the box. Watching it and it being told virtually the whole of Australia was recently on fire gave me a good laugh. As much as Belgium they said, do they have ANY idea how big Australia actually is, how much bush-land, full of incinerators posing as trees (Eucalyptus). These things are designed by nature to deliberately create fires. It's how they have clear competing vegetation and how they reproduce. They didn't say Koalas are a totally introduced species on Kangaroo Island, and in such plague proportion many have been sterilized to stop the total destruction of the environment. There was talk of actually culling numbers a while back. While brutal (nature is brutal), the loss of half of the out of control population is actually nature's way of reestablishing some equilibrium.
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@stevemercer4142 Hi Steve, the problems are always more complicated that the media and the simplistic left want to paint. Just on the animal deaths, prior to the bush fires, due to the long drought kangaroos and wombats were being drawn to the last bit of feed along the verge of the highways and country roads. These animals have ZERO road sense, and I'm not exaggerating there would have been a dead animal killed by a car every 30? meters, both sides of the road, for hundreds and hundreds of kilometers. Riding a motorcycle you become far more aware of the situation due to the smell.
I was depressed at the level of road kill following a several day country ride last September. This was prior to the bush fires, and the media gave it zero attention. Just like the bush fires, nothing that could really be done about it, but the outcome was no different. The total road kill just from the 3? year drought would probably have been more than the deaths from the bush fires (they don't really know with any accuracy how many animals were killed). But my point is a staggering level road kill from the drought, zero media interest. But the first opportunity to bang the climate change drum associate with a more spectacular event, and the left wing media is all over it.
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@ManCityCL The trade union that covers major construction workers is the CFMEU. These guys are no woke 'wallflowers' like some activist left wing teachers union. They are loud, physical, in your face. Stand-over tactics are common on construction sites including connections to outlaw motorcycle gangs, people go 'missing', witnesses in court cases have last minute 'change of minds', etc, etc the lot. As bad a bunch of dudes in organised labor as you'll find anywhere in the world.
So if the government were to lock-down the construction industry and expect this crew to live on $750 a week (that's about the cost of rent for a pretty crappy house in a not so good part of Sydney) they would be taking to the streets in loud protest within a couple weeks. And LOTS of ordinary citizens would also feel empowered to fall in behind them.
The government knows this is what would happen, so that made out 'it was important for the economy to keep construction going'. Total BS, the total closure of masses of small business in the hospitality sector was far more important, but that didn't stop the government The difference, one lot are fragmented with no 'voice', the other a loud vocal lot of organised and militant 'heavies'.
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@klizzard5166 That's my point about 'democracy'. It's more a theory that doesn't really exist in practice. Were the German people consulted before a million of more people were allowed to flood in, taking jobs, creating potential social unrest, altering tradition culture? No is the answer, such a dramatic change to society was simply imposed by the elites. And they aren't affected by the problems in their leafy houses in the nice part of town.
In Australia, most people also have been convinced by the left wing media that Trump's wall is a stupid idea. But you ask them, do you support having open borders for Australia? Answer: "no way". So next question, so why it is such a stupid idea for the USA, a country with a land boarded? They don't have an answer. Such is the power of the media to now control people.
Democracy world wide, what's left of it, is under SIGNIFICANTLY challenge. The control of the media by the elites so openly on display in the US should make any thinking person quiver. That such a poor candidate as Joe Biden has even gotten to be a contender for the position of 'leader of the free world' (a term I don't actually like) should be truly frightening to everyone in the Western world.
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@catloveralways I complete agree society should be prepared to protect its innocent vulnerable. But immediately that opens up two important moral (not medical) questions.
First, do the most vulnerable in the high care section of a nursing home in the last weeks or months of their life want to be 'protected' when that entails effectively solitary confinement? Done mainly to protect the reputation of the home or some public bureaucrat. I think its pretty easy to assume they don't. So society has to be prepared to accept that some elderly aged home residents will die, and that is the cost of the risk they want to make. I respect that wish.
Next moral question. The next most at risk using a stereotype, is a morbidly obese chain smoker who lives on a diet of McDonalds and Coke. He has been told for years his chosen lifestyle will shorten his life. He has neither the care or discipline to make the hard sacrifices to protect his health. So.... should millions of innocent people, many who take personal responsibility for looking after their health e.g eating well, going to the gym regularly , etc be forced into significant hardship to protect our obese chain smoker? In effect society is being forced to value his health more than he was himself. Is that fair and reasonable? Personally I don't think so. He can do his best with the public health care system, but the broader society should only be expected to care as much as he has. And that is not a lot. Hard, but that's how I believe it should be. It's nearly immoral to force other people into hardship for his benefit.
So that just leaves the vulnerable who are in this situation due to no fault of their own. Perhaps born with some genetic based problem. Yes society should do all it can to protect these people if they don't have the means or intellect to do so, and that should be the governments role. And part of that protection is allowing society to achieve herd immunity as fast as reasonably possible. Until that time they remain vulnerable to everyone they come in contact with. The faster herd immunity develops they safer they become. They unfortunately have to remain isolated till that happens. This is based on the assessment that no vaccine will be found. If in the VERY slim chance on is and these people want to take it great. But until then there is no other viable option. The virus will just continue to circulate forever, just like the 1968 Honk Kong flu that killed over a million people does today.
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@tigerbugs9867 You're not 'interested', the only interest you have is pushing your rather uninformed ideas.
Right now on SkyNews is a bunch of so called experts discussing 'curves', vaccination rates, etc., the usual faces that seem to get on TV a lot to profess their 'expertise'. They speak as if there are ZERO economic and social (and health) consequences of lockdowns. As far as they are concerned only one metric matters, and that is the number of people testing positive to covid.... totally irrespective of whether or not these people are even getting symptoms, let alone overwhelming the hospital system.
So you ask what possible reason is there focusing ONLY on the group that can possibly justify the MASSIVE costs of locking down a whole society, and destroying thousands of livelihoods, family breakdowns, ete, etc, etc, is your question ..... do I REALLY need to answer that.
You honestly believe hundreds of thousands of people's livelihoods, elderly single men who's only connection with society is a few beers with fellow travelers at the local each night, young mentally ill people who's only discipline in their chaotic self destructive life is paid employment, etc, etc, should be sacrificed for a VERY small number of people aged less than 60 years old. Mostly people who are already sick due to their own decisions in relation to smoking, eating junk food, etc? Again, do I really need to answer that.
And just were did you get the nonsense that asymptomatic vaccinated people are infectious for less time than asymptotic un-vaccinated people. They have EXACTLY the same viral load. I reckon you just plucked it out your backside.
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@tassied12 You continue to demonstrate how little you know about the subject, basically like most virtue signalling warriors. A typical wind farm operator in Australia receives approximately $500,000 a year in subsidies for EACH windfarm tower they run. Do the sums.
Follow your advice and (a) hundreds of thousands of people will become permanently unemployed, (b) the poor will subsidize the wealthy, (c) hundreds of country towns will wither and die completely, (e) Australia will become extremely economically venerable, (d) the truly disadvantage will suffer, many will actually die.
I put it to you that wishing for all the above, for ZERO environmental benefit, makes you either a person without the experience or wisdom to appreciate what you're advocating, or if your do .... just plain evil.
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Freedom is over sad You really need to educate yourself. There is a virtual army of scientists from many branches who spend years trying to reconstruct the temperatures from past periods. There are unbroken historical temperature records going back to 1659 (The Central England Data Series), recorded historical events that could only happen with certain temperatures , tree ring analysis, carbon dating of tree remains from glaciers to determine tree/snow lines, etc, etc, etc. But despite all this, while certain trends of when warming and cooling events occurred are pretty much agreed, the magnitude of those swings remains a point of some debate. Well at least it has to be that way otherwise the current climate emergency narrative falls on its ear.
For what it worth, based upon solid scientific studies e.g. historic tree lines in the European Alps and indisputable historical events e.g the settlement of Greenland, and subsequent abandonment due to deteriorating climatic conditions a couple generations latter, Hannibal crossing the Italian Alps with 37 elephants and 8000 horses to attack the Romans (a feat impossible today), I think its pretty clear periods in the past 2000 years were warmer than present.
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Ageism is perhaps the biggest discriminating factor in the job market, no matter what a persons sex, no matter their skin color, ethnic background, sexual preference, etc. It discriminates again everyone over a certain age e.g. 45 even if they are already highly skilled. The more skilled a person is, the greater ageism is likely to exist.
Yet today, again and again I heard complaints from presenters about sexism discrimination, racial, physical, even the type of toys kids were given as young children. But not a single mention about the largest form of workplace discrimination that potentially affects EVERYONE! AGEISM! Perhaps its just not sexy enough or lack real virtue signalling potential.
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@TB1M1 First of all I wouldn't take a single notice of any number related to China. To me its totally incomprehensible in a country of 1.4 Billion people, with the virus dispersed throughout to some degree (it had to have escaped before Wuhan was shut off) that they could be reporting relatively few new cases. Six new deaths, in a country of 1.4 Billion, impossible.
Italy is another very interesting case, and probably held up more than anywhere else as the example of what to expect. But its quite different to Australia in one very important way. And that is where old people live. In Italy its traditionally at home in an extended family situation. Now imagine if we were to throw open the doors to all our aged care homes in Australia (around 200,000 people live in aged care facilities), and then got masses of infected people to go in and kiss and hug all the residents. What would we expect to happen? How long would it take for our hospital system to totally collapse under the case load, and for people to be dropping dead like flies?
P.S. If you want to understand how the Italian extended family members came to be quickly infected and then pass it on to their vulnerable grandparents, research the Chinese clothing industry of Prato, a town bang smack in the virus epicenter region of Italy. Sorry folks, that expensive 'Made in Italy' suit or dress was most likely made in a Chinese owned and operated factory using Chinese materials.
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@will-ld9fj I totally agree different countries have different circumstances. But one thing most have in common is a total failure to adequately protect elderly and frail people in aged care facilities. Should they have known to do a better job at this, absolutely. Influenza runs rampant in aged care homes every season, accounting for the vast majority of the 3,500 deaths a year in Australia, EVERY year from Influenza and Influenza related issues. We don't think that's a big enough problem to totally smash the economy. Just properly attending to this one factor around the world would have cut the global death toll by 50%
And we did know the way the virus was acting well before our brilliant leaders decided to smash the economy. It was clear from Italy that it was the elderly living mostly in multi general family homes who were vulnerable. And we knew from China that people where were obese were disproportionately at risk. Put those two factors together and you have the explanation for what happened in Italy. Old fat men are the highest risk group, and elderly Italians fit this description to a tee. We always knew young people at the beach or fishing posed no risk whatsoever, as long as you kept them out of aged care homes, exactly the same as Influenza.
Your 'die if you die' description while very emotional lacks both scientific fact and moral rigor. No vaccine is likely, so the vast majority of the population will catch the virus at some point. If people have looked after themselves they will be fine. Even the majority of people in aged care homes recover. But if someone has lived on a diet of McDonalds and Coke, just sitting on their fat arse, with all the associated diseases this has resulted in, they very well may die. They have been told this often enough for years.
The moral question you need to ask yourself is.... is it fair to expect other people to make massive sacrifices and bear significant financial hardship to protect the well-being of someone who hasn't cared enough about their own health to make sacrifices themselves? Put another way, isn't it perfectly moral for society to care the same about that person's health as they are prepared to do for them self. No less, just the same. If you say society should care more than the person is prepared or wishes to, I say whatever happened to personal responsibility.
P.S. And by the way, I'm 68 year old.
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@msntrio4456 Sell a one year solution, and get everyone to pay for upgrades?? That's EXACTLY what they are doing....
Some facts ... zinc is a scientifically proved anti viral substance
Diabetics .... obese and people with diabetes suffer from zinc deficiency. It's even recognized as part of an effective treatment for diabetes
Zinc Ionphore .... substances that promote easier take of zinc by human cells. The 'controversial' Hydoxtcholorcine (sp?) is a zinc Ionphore, that's the basis of that idea.
Zinc deficiency is common in older people, especially people over 75 year of age.
So .... why wouldn't public health officials be recommending older people, and especially the obese, take a suppliant or eat foods high in Zinc, Vitamin C, and Vitamin D? Why, becuse they don't really care, they just want to flog vaccines at people.
P.S. I'm not an anti vaxer, actually believe they have a place, emphasis on 'place'.
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Not wanting to take away from the pain and suffering people endured in these recent bad bush-fires, I must admit of find it rather insulting to the memory of previous generation of Australian's who also lost everything they owned including their lives battling bad bushfires when it is implied, even stated outright, what they endured was somehow 'lesser', not as sever, etc as the recent bushfires. They didn't have to endure the effect of 'climate change' on the fire.
In fact previous generations would have had it worse, much worse as you go back in time. You don't need much imagination to envisage say in 1880 a poor rural family with 10 kids trying to hack out an existence on a few hundred rough acres, and their early bush-fire warning system was actual smoke and flames roaring over the hill. No internet, no TV, no radio, zero to warn them and direct them where to go. Totally clueless as to what was happening around them, and what to do. Just a wet hessian sack on a stick to try and beat out the flames as best they could, shelter in the local creek, or flee on a horse and cart down the only rough dirt track available to who knows what awaited. No insurance or government assistance to help them recover if they did make it out alive. Yep, it is certainly much worse now than the past.
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The article is little more than an attempt to push an agenda, and deflect from a real genuine problem. The simple fact is around 50% of the covid cases in Israel are in fully vaccinated people. Because it is below 78% of cases (the population vaccination rate) someone can say, well that proves the vaccines while not stopping transmission in vaccinated people, is at least reducing it. Not necessarily true.
The fully vaccinated and unvaccinated populations will be HEAVILY weighted by age, with a much older average age in the fully vaccinated group. The unvaccinated will be in the young and WAY more socially active, and as such have far greater exposure to catching the virus. So just weighting cases by the population vaccination rate as the article attempts to push is massively flawed as it overlooks a major variable, age.
If you do a 'back of the envelop' calculation would it seem reasonable that the most socially active largely unvaccinated 22% of the population could generate 50% of cases e.g. twice as likely as someone say 60-70 years old, just on that criteria alone, I think the answer is a definitely strong possibility.
Botton Line: Israel is real world proof that current vaccines are NOT effective in materially prevention transmission of the Delta variant, and the medium term effectiveness of two jabs of current vaccines is in serious doubt (6 months is very poor performance). Just shoving a 'booster' into people without extensive clinical trials is VERY poor practice by any standard, to put it mildly.
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@Nicolesorkin What supporters of this woman are completely overlooking is that central to a civilized and orderly society is respect for authority, institutions, conventions, etc. When that breaks down, so does society. We should be respectful toward authority e.g police, the judiciary, irrespective of the actual person performing the duty. It is not the person we are respecting, it is the position. The same for people who hold high public office. We respect the position, and act accordingly, no matter who currently holds that position. This woman showed complete disrespect toward the highest public office in the land, position of President of the United States.
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A little more information on the NIAA (existing 'voice' to parliament) which reports to the Minister for Indigenous Affairs, Linda Burney and also "advises" the Prime Minister.
"The Agency has a regional presence (NIAA Regional Offices) across Australia. We have offices in capital cities, and regional and remote locations (Figure A). Staff from these offices routinely visit over 400 communities. We also have an Agency officer in residence in nearly 50 Indigenous communities".
The towns listed in Figure A, include all the towns currently being reported with major problems by the media... Alice Springs, Ceduna, Tennant Creek, Darwin, etc..
If 'the Voice' is implemented, all the above will remain in place and be duplicated by the 'voice' committees. The Langton model, which will be implemented without change, is VERY clear that all existing organisation remain, and are completely separate from 'the Voice'.
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@SusanPearce_H More no that yes. Why is it only government projects that end up costing 3, 4, 5, even 10 or more times (Snowy 2) the original estimate. It doesn't happen in the private sector, which will have built say a 10% overrun contingency into the cost estimate, and heads will roll if that is exceeded. Even the 10% has to be explained.
The major reason is the sheer incompetence of government in every stage of the project, design, costing, management of the project, negotiations with contractors, etc, etc, etc. In my working life I've worked for all 3 branches of government (as well as the private sector). Unless someone has actually worked in government and the private sector they probably can't actually appreciate how incompetent government actually is.
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@heartofpuregold Putting you money into super has ZERO effect on whether or not a person qualifies for the old age pension. The pension has both an income and an assets test, and with any significant superannuation a person in retirement will fail both qualifying tests. Not only will the significant balance in super fail the financial assets test, as you MUST withdraw a minimum amount from your super each year (the parentage increases with age) you will also be WAY over the income threshold.
I would dispute "most pensioners are legit". The biggest ripoff of the retirement 'system' comes from 'part pensioners'. It is these 'small fish' with modest financial means who have organised their financial affairs to receive a 'part' pension who are the biggest drain on the system. They may live in a $2 million home, own a couple brand new cars, go on overseas holidays ever year, eat out at restaurants ... yet receive some aged pension, and all the lurks and perks e.g. cheap vehicle registration, etc that go with it. That are NOT poor and in need of support from other tax payers.
One thing your overlooking in your assessment that people with large superannuation balances aren't paying their 'fair share' of tax, is that most of them will have paid a crap load of tax during their working life. They are the people who have paid the VAST majority of income tax and have spent their whole life subsidising low income earners. I was paying over $100K a year in tax when I was working, and qualified for ZERO from the government. How much income tax do you imagine a company CEO pays each year, even with good accountants? It'll be around $300K a year. In retirement these people just want to just be left alone by the government to full fund themselves, drawing NOTHING from other taxpayers, but somehow they are supposedly evil tax dodgers.
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Sorry to be blunt, silly comparison. Taking 'the pill' has a massive positive benefit to the woman, not wanting to get pregnant, or as I understand it, those who suffer chronic debilitating period pain. An 'unplanned' child can be a devastating outcome, or not being able to work 2 or 3 days every month are major problems to be weighted against the downsides of the pill.
On the other hand the covid vaccine has very little, if any, positive for a young healthy person. At most they can expect to be in mild discomfort for a few days if exposed to the virus. No more than the common side effect of actually getting the vaccine. So little benefit for many, to be weighted against a vaccine with the potential, even if small, to kill the recipient.
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@snowyedgar You are clueless, blinded by your obvious bias. Young people NEVER read newspapers, they NEVER watch TV. Their ONLY form of 'news' is social media.
A typical suburban news agency these days will put out about 10 to 15 copies of The Australia for sale each morning. That's how few people read it.
Rupert has ZERO TV presence. The ABC, SBS, Channels 7/9/10 are all totally left wing biased. Ruperts only presence on 'the box' is via paid subscription to Foxtel in the major cities, and a small nightly free presence on WIN in the country.
What have been the major topics of the past 10 years that the media go on and on about ..... same sex marriage, refugees, climate change, Me Too, BLM, Anti Trump, Women's Rights, All men are rapists...... you really think Rupert is driving all these topics.
Your really are clueless. In the company of despised narcissists like Malcolm Turnbul and Kevin Rudd.
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@No-wo8ri The ONLY reason Australia has a current energy crisis is because of unfounded climate change alarmism, and government intervention in the market to effectively push coal out of the market, and attempt to replace it with unreliable renewables generation. NO OTEHER REASON.
If you accept that the "climate emergency" is a total crock of shit (it is), Australia has amble time to make a smooth seamless transition to cleaner forms of electricity generation. This includes keeping existing coal plants operational, building new gas AND coal plants, and developing a domestic nuclear industry .... in conjunction with an appropriate mix of renewable energy sources.
Nuclear is the ONLY relatively emissions free form of base load power generation. It is SAFE, CLEAN, and affordable. France, which gets 70% of its electricity from nuclear has some of the cheapest electricity in Europe. The UK and Germany, leaders in the race to renewables, the most expensive.
If renewables are so cheap, just why do Australian electricity prices continue to climb, climb, climb, as the percentage of renewables in the mix increases. But whatever you do, don't let REAL facts get in the way of your alarmist rhetoric.
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@JohnSmith-yv6eq There is MASSIVE 'range anxiety in cities'. In Sydney just about every house built before say about 1910 has no off street parking, so people must park on the street (if they can find a parking spot). Also, the majority of houses built between then and say 1930 do not have a practical garages. If they have side access, they have an old garage at the back of the house, that few modern wider cars can get down. So again, people are forced to park on the street. In effect you're talking the whole inner 1/3 of the city.
SO... for about 1/3 of the residents of Sydney, if they had an EV that would have to charge it at a public charging station. So you pay more for the car, to put 'fuel' into it that is more expensive than petrol, and then you could be waiting hours to recharge the thing.
Even as nothing more than a glorified motorized shopping trolley, EV's a totally impractical for so many people. And all for what actual purpose? Answer: nothing, absolutely nothing.
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@Feshman117 It is simply not in Australia's interest to phase out coal. What do you think pays for your schools, police force, hospitals, grants to the arts, employs hundreds of thousands of people both directly and indirectly. The town of Newcastle would be a shadow of itself if there was no Hunter Valley coal industry.
Renewables are NOT the cheapest form of power generation. That is simply a lie you either know, or have been fed without validating it. In fact is it one of the most EXPENSIVE forms of power generation when properly and fully costed. Why else is it so heavily subsidised???
If you truly don't understand why it is the most expensive when fully costed........imagine I came to you and said I can supply you with water (for your farm, business, whatever) at half the price that Sydney Water charges you. Great you say, sign me up. BUT, in the fine print you notice that I will only supply water to you when the river that runs through my property is flowing, and it only does that when it rains. So you ask me, why aren't I building a dam (like Sydney Water) so I can supply your 24/7/365. My answer: building a dam to guarantee permanent and on demand supply is VERY expensive, and if I did so I'd have to charge you even more than Sydney Water charges to cover that cost of providing a permanent supply. So, stiff shit, you figure out where to get your water (at a vastly higher price) when its not raining and I can't supply.
What I just described is the renewables power industry. Unless a cost for back up supply from a permanent source of power (coal, gas, nuclear, hydro) is added to the cost of renewables the cost of just supplying power 'some times' is a complete fiction. It vastly understates the true cost.
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@AD-zz1fr No matter how you try and angle it, the Government stopping people from doing something that has no impact on the outcome of this virus is not only silly tokenism to distract from their own incompetence, it actually undermines the credibility and authority of those supposedly in charge.
This issue is not just about those directly vulnerable to the virus. It is way more complex than the simplistic view many want to push. Using just two people, one from each side of the issue as an example of the complexities involved. If you were to ask me who I have the greatest symptom for, a highly vulnerable to the virus chain smoking obese 50 year old with diabetes from a life of living on McDonald's and Coke who hasn't cared less about their own health despite being told for years of the dangers, or the young person who had just secured a job after a long period of unemployment, was optimistic for the fist time in many years, and now finds themselves back on the unemployment queue and faced again with years of depression and hopelessness in order to protect the life of the chain smoker....... do you really need to ask where my concern lies.
You may think the best approach is just follow whatever the Government and their advisers say, they know best. Honestly I don't think they have a clue and are just making it up as they go.
Regarding the risk to myself, I fully expect to catch the virus. Was tested a week of so ago and was actually disappointed it came back negative. This thing will only end when the majority of the population (greater than 60% to be precise) have had the virus. Government telling you otherwise are lying to you. I'm 67 years old, have looked after myself, expect to go ok when I catch it.
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Only a few minor problems. 'Green' Hydrogen from renewables is totally nonviable at present, and currently 95% of the worlds hydrogen is produced using fossil fuels. China is currently the biggest producer of hydrogen in the world, and the EU is not far behind. Countries already in the game, include Canada, France, China, Germany, Japan, Norway, South Korea, UK, and the US. At present Australia has next to zero production capacity for Hydrogen.
So all we have to do is throw a billion dollars of tax payer money at the problem, and either (a) we'll overcome all the technical problems and blow all the other chemical superpowers like the US and South Korea out the water, or (b) it'll be money pissed down the drain.
I'm pretty sure which outcome it's likely to be.
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@Bubblebang5 What you've described is pretty spot on. And if someone decides the vaccine isn't for them, let say a fit health freak aged 30, if what many want (fueled by politicians and the media) comes in, that person will be treated like a total outcast in society. To say they will be treated like a leper in ancient society is not an exaggeration.
They won't be allowed to go to any public gathering, into a pub, restaurant, travel, denied employment, shops, how long before they are not allowed on public transport. In effect, they can live in a slum in the ground, in rags, and people who feel sorry for them will be able to throw them scraps of food. It might sound like a scene from a biblical movie, but its EXACTLY what supposed rational people are in effect advocating. It nearly makes my mind explode!
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@aaronfranklin6863 And I wouldn't disagree there are many racists in Australia. BUT, a tip...... drop the victim mentality. There are racists in every country on earth, just as there are sexists, just as there are ageists. Some people are 'unattractive', some physically or mentally handicapped, some have mental health issues. Point being there is no shortage of people who life didn't give the best hand of cards. So don't think you are unique. The majority of people are not handed life on a silver platter.
All I can say is if you believe racists are keeping you at the bottom of society, and your waiting for the government to fix the problem, or for society to change, then expect to stay angry and on the bottom. The only person who can change your trajectory is ...... YOU!
At one point in my life I was so down and out I was living of charity, with not enough money to buy a proper meal. Totally 'lost' and confused, going nowhere but down. I was able to turn it around (granted I was lucky enough to met someone who was a massive inspiration, a can do anything attitude). Go to university, join the defense forces or police force, whatever. YOU just have to be motivated enough to really want it, and put the effort into it. There is always a way out and up, no matter what our starting point.
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@lukem2260 Hi Luke, If the money is in a Australian registered bank, which is the big 4 (ANZ, Com, NAB, Westpac) or just about any other of the smaller ones unless it is a really weird one, the money is totally safe. It is guaranteed by the Australian Government. Ok, someone will say the government isn't so financially crash hot at the moment, but their bank deposit guarantee is still rock solid.
If your concern is an internet story that went around about the banks can take depositor funds if they get into financial difficulty, that is complete FAKE NEWS. The legislation associated with that myth specially excludes depositors funds being counted as bank 'capital'(I'll spare you the accounting lesson on what is 'capital'). Who ever started that myth knew nothing about company accounting. The money is totally safe, and the Australian banks, especially the big 4, are totally safe. No government could possible let one of the big 4 banks fail. They didn't fail in the GFC, they won't fail now. They'll feel a lot of pain from bad debts, but it is the shareholders who are going to wear that pain, not the depositors.
The issue for your girlfriend is that if the money is sitting in a regular bank account it is earning virtually nothing. It is worth exploring better options, keeping in mind the higher the return the higher the risk. Personally I think a serious financial crash is coming when governments all around the world are forced to withdraw financial support virtually simultaneously. Where to have your money then, well I'd be a lot richer if I can get that 100% right.
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@monicasahu07 Well I suggest your reread your original comment. Rita Panahi is making a VERY important comment about obesity (which is a MAJOR health crisis, far greater than covid, and has been for years), and you criticize her for "body shaming".
Nearly 50% of the afro-american community in the USA are now classified as medically obese. It is something like 40% in the general community. Morbidly obese is something like 26% of the US population. Australia isn't far behind.
It IS a major health problem, needs talking about, people need educating about the crap (can't even call it food) they eat these days, and the LAST think needed is people trying to 'cancel' those raising this critically important topic by making stupid comments about 'body shaming'. We need to stop the nonsense put out by the PC brigade that being overweight is fine, just love yourself, you are 'beautiful'. An overweight teenager is on a certain path to morbid obesity, very poor health, and a reduced life unless they change their lifestyle habits. Being obese is NOT healthy, it is not cool. Obese people are sick people, that is why a relative benign virus (covid) can knock them over quite easily.
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@stefanantolin5501 Pathetic is when idiots like you not only want to drive up energy prices in Australia for NO effect on the planets climate, you also want to totally destroy the standard of living for Australian's by stopping gas and coal exports to the rest of the world, FOR NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER ON THE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE.
You are so economically and common sense illiterate not to realise (or conveniently ignore) that if Australia does not supply coal/gas to places like Japan, China, India etc they will simply source it elsewhere. China and India have ample domestic sources of DIRTY coal which they will simply substitute. Not only will you destroy the standard of living of Australian's, those who can least afford it bearing the brunt of that destruction, you will actually INCREASE global C02 emissions as dirtier fuels are substituted.
WTF do you think pays for hospitals, police, arts funding, schools (especially Qld and NSW), and your wages in the public service or social security payments. F there are some idiots in the world.
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@heartofpuregold Part of it. While the owner of a horse has 'ownership' and 'power' over the horse, to get the best from it requires patience, care, devotion, awareness, consideration, investment in the relationship etc, etc. Some would call it 'love'.
If someone is mean, brutal, impatient, or gets easily frustrated with their horse (many substitutions exist e.g dog, immediate family members), its reasonable to assume they will act the exact same way with their partner when times get tough, or they get bored with them.
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@JamielDeAbrew "What builder wouldn’t give a quote" .... the ones who have so much work they aren't interested in quoting for work they won't be able to touch for 12 to 18 months at the earliest (and by that time the quote will be out of date). And the ones who can't get tradies because they have so much work, charging whatever they like.
As a generalisation, young people are reluctant to go into the building trades, it involves hard physical work.
Oh and your Ponzi scheme (that's exactly what it is) to keep bringing in people to pay the taxes so older people get a free ride, is NO solution. There is just the same percentage of 'old people' in the immigration intake as the general population (called family reunion) and are you proposing the population size should just keep growing FOREVER. 100 Million people, 400 Million ..... there is no end to such a Ponzi scheme.
Older Australians should have planned to look after themselves in older age. If they have nothing after the best year's Australia every had (mining booms, free education, etc, etc), is or likely to ever have, they deserve nothing. End of story. Making young Australians, many struggling to even buy a home, financially responsible for them is morally reprehensible.
P.S. I'm 72 years old.
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@RIFFRAFF104 Perhaps Australia's highest profile indigenous leader is a man called Noel Pearson. I've heard him talk a number of time about the socialist biased media creating what he calls (hope I get his term correct) "a culture of low expectations". His criticism is that the left wing media just endlessly focus on the problem areas, creating a narrative and false belief that this is how it is for all indigenous people. And naturally it is all the fault of the "white invaders". At no time do they give a balanced coverage, talk up the many achievements, show that many indigenous people are living productive, happy and fulfilling lives, no different to their white neighbor. Provide role models for what CAN be achieved, rather than endless justifications for failure.
The VAST overwhelming majority of Australians want to see our indigenous brothers/sisters experiencing difficulties lifted up. Billion and billions of dollars have been throw at the problem for many years, seemingly with at best limited results. If someone had the magic answer then I don't doubt for a second it's be implemented. But we know its not just more handouts, tokenism by elites, ever more historic reasons for current problems, etc, etc. It has to come back to people taking personal/local community responsibility, and we as a nation providing them with a pathway once they have taken on board that responsibility. Many of those pathways already exist e.g. dedicated university places.
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Really only two interesting points from today's 'lectures' .......
John Brogdon, speaking about the mental health crisis occurring in NSW, ..... "get out of your house", and ...... "don't catastrophize the current situation". Exact OPPOSITE of what Gladys and the CHO say day, after day, after day. 'Stay home', 'treat everyone as if they have covid', 'don't talk to your neighbors'.
The other was the deputy CHO asked 'is the reason someone died at home due to the hospital system being overloaded'. No, he replied. The person was only found to test positive to a PCR test after they had died. I believe this case may have been the 30 year old mother, but not absolutely certain. So expect covid deaths to always be massive. Once covid is widespread throughout society, just about everyone who dies is going to be a covid death if subjected to a deep enough cycle PCR test.
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Unless those on the right, conservatives (call them what you will) are prepared to take head on the left/progressives, on the same terms they use (in your face, no holds barred, anything goes) the battle is certainly going to be lost. And it is a battle, a war with just as a profound effect on the way we live our lives now and in the future as if planes, tanks, and bullets were involved.
The notion by conservatives that if they play 'nice' it will set an example, and the left will follow suit is just pure BS. They see it as just weakness, and trying to appease them just an admission of being wrong.
So the question becomes is Scott Morrison a 'war time' leader, one prepared to stand up and inspire his 'army', and lead them into battle? I don't have to think long to reach a conclusion.
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No, while that issue may make easy editorials for right wing media its actually a distraction to issues people REALLY care about. The issue of IS Brides will be no more than 'fish and chip wrapping' in a no time flat, if not already. Stick to the economy, power prices, jobs, scrapping the 'net zero' nonsense. Dutton should NOT get sucked into IS Brides, Gender Fluidity, etc, etc. Governments lose elections, Oppositions don't win them, certainly not trying to tackle 3 day long headline fringe issues.
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@amosdotl6892 The problem is you can't really isolate the vulnerable elderly in aged care homes, or even living in society. In effect that's solitary confinement and torture. A person in the high care section of a nursing home knows why they are there. It's not for a holiday, its to die. It's not IF, just WHEN. That is the blunt reality of it. The places are depressing and the food crap (wouldn't feed it to my dog). What else do they have to look forward to other than visits from their loved ones, children, grand children etc. So there is ALWAYS going to be a risk of passing on covid, as we know now fully vaccinated people catch covid, pass it on, and can die.
We accept this reality with Influenza, around 4000 die each and every year from Influenza and its complications, mostly in aged care homes. But somehow a single covid death in 'worse', as if dying from Influenza is less tragic .... defies logic.
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@Drakesy Wikipedia .... LOL. That's about where I'd expected you get your limited understand. Listen my dimwitted friend, a windfarm has an expected lifetime of only 20 years. They are then f'd and must be pulled down, totally replaced. They can't be repaired. A nuclear plant has an expected life of 60+ years. Your so called cheap windfarm will need to be totally rebuild 3+ times during the life of the nuclear plant to make it a valid comparison. Over this 60 year life span, the base load nuclear plant, which can supply electricity 24/7/365 days a year will be considerable cheaper than the 3 windfarms plus backup costs plus distribution connection costs.
If you build your nuclear plant on the site of an existing coal plant, much of the infrastructure already exists, especially distributions lines. Your windfarm will be build in the middle of nowhere (try the ocean) and the massive connection costs are never included in the so called 'cost of renewables'. But they certainly appear on people electricity bills (the reason electricity prices keep increase as more so called 'cheap' renewables are connected).
Hey, I can supply you with cheap water, but only when its raining and the river is full. You want what, water supplied 24/7/365???? That would require me to build a dam as backup, and that would make my previously cheap water VERY expensive. I trust even you can understand this simply analogy.
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@Drakesy And do you think a windmill is maintenance free?? You are entertaining. And I thank you for your lightweight very naive questions. Responding to them provides me with mild entertainment. However I do wish you come up with some decent ones. I trust you actually will learnt something about the subject in this process, but then again perhaps not.
The bottom line is there isn't a country on earth that powers a modern industrial economy by solely wind and solar power. Not one. And there never will be because these power sources simply can't guarantee the required base load power. A modern society HAS to underpin renewables with sufficient base load power supplied by some combination of coal, gas, nuclear, or hydro generated power. And this underpinning has to be sufficient to supply nearly the full requirements when the sun isn't shinning, ad the wind isn't blowing. Please don't insult my intelligence and try and tell me batteries are up to the task. Take your pick, it's either coal, gas, nuclear or hydro (or an interconnector to another country with these power sources) Coal, gas, new dams, nuclear are opposed by the intellectually challenged greens movement. But it's the reality, no matter what trouble people on the internet try to spin.
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@davebrune882 What has lockdowns got to do with my use of Singapore as an example? How 23,000 positive people caught the virus, whether it would have been 100,000 or the whole damn city of nearly 6 million people is TOTALLY irrelevant. I'm using Singapore as an example of the death-rate. In Singapore case it's 0.09% Out of 23,000 cases only 21 people have died. Is there something special about the constitution of Singapore people? Does it have a magic cure the world isn't aware of? Is the Singapore health system vastly superior to other countries of the world? The answers, are No,No,No. There is only one possible answer. Singapore is VERY accurately assessing each person that dies and correctly classifying it on medical grounds. That's exactly what I'd expect them to do being familiar with how the place operates. The result, Covid-19 isn't that deadly a virus and other countries are VASTLY overstating true death numbers because their sloppy inaccurate processes of recording anything and everything as a Covid-19 death..
Lets take another country, how about Australia. Nearly 7,000 cases (its irrelevant how many it would or would not be if we did something different). How many deaths have been recorded for Australia's nearly 7000 cases? Answer: 97. Now of that 97 there is a SERIOUS question over the majority of them as they were nearly all in aged care homes. Did the person die FROM Covid-19, or was their general state of health was so poor they died WITH Covid-19 (would the common cold have finished them off). This is what I believe the Singaporeans are most likely doing. Correctly classifying people who died FROM Covid-19, and out of 23,000 there aren't many.
FFS a 93 year old lady died this week who have successfully recovered from Covid-19 only a couple weeks earlier. Someone that age, in a state of health only a very short time away from dying, recovered!!! She wouldn't have recovered from SARS, MERS, Ebola, Yellow fever, and probably not Influenza. There is a reason the British have now removed Covid-19 from their list of dangerous diseases. Because they now know it isn't one.
So I'll leave you to ponder was trashing the Australian economy, throwing 3? million people out of work, and creating massive social damage that WILL cost lives (many more than the actual virus), destroy relationships, create homelessness, and a debt bill that will take generations to pay back worth it to try and address a virus with a death rate certainly no more than Influenza. I don't have a single doubt what the answer is.
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@GrahamClarkeQVP You are partly correct, it is the relevant Minister (not the Premier) that has the authority to issue health orders. However your original point that the current ones aren't binding unless a State ofEmergency has been declared is still wrong.
Power to deal with public health risks generally(cf 1991 Act, s 5)
(1) This section applies if the Minister considers on reasonable grounds that a situation has arisen that is, or is likely to be, a risk to public health.
(2) In those circumstances, the Minister—
(a) may take such action, and
(b) may by order give such directions,
as the Minister considers necessary to deal with the risk and its possible consequences.
(3) Without limiting subsection (2), an order may declare any part of the State to be a public health risk area and, in that event, may contain such directions as the Minister considers necessary—
(a) to reduce or remove any risk to public health in the area, and
(b) to segregate or isolate inhabitants of the area, and
(c) to prevent, or conditionally permit, access to the area.
NSW Public Health Act 2010 Part 2, Section 7
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@Majik12 No, not the same in any way. While Donald Trump's 'style' leaves a LOT to be desired, a rational person should look past that and consider why are the governing philosophies and detailed actions (policies) of the respective candidates.
On one side you have an a group of elites who want to gain power by promising to change the 'system', promising to reshape the world into some new utopia for the masses. All controlled by 'their Government'. They actually despise the masses e.g. a group of deplorables, but need them solely to gain power. That's how socialism has worked since the beginning of time.
On the other side you have a pro-business, pro-growth, small government, just let people get on with their lives candidate. Vulgar in style no doubt, but in the larger scheme of things does that really matter.
So just ask yourself, which philosophy (candidate) do you think is going to create the jobs, the wealth, the inspiration for people to lift themselves (never rely on the government to improve your lot in ANYTHING) out of the hole the world has dug itself into over the virus (all totally unnecessary in my opinion but that's another subject). Just don't look at it from your own narrow position. Think of what is in the best interests of everyone you know. In 4 years time the person who I think is best placed to do this disappears forever from the political scene. It's not like he has a life-time appointment. When things are humming again nicely, maybe then give more weight to 'social justice' or 'climate change' if that's what floats your boat.
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Is it possible what you describe as an 'echo chamber' (used I assume is being used in a derogatory sense) is really a collection of reasonably prudent informed people?
Consider the way 'authorities' have handled just about EVERY aspect related to covid, (inaccuracies, politicization, computer apps that didn't work, fake news, overreactions, spreading fear based upon no science, illogical restrictions, etc, etc, etc, etc. ). Given the way 'authorities' have acted in just about every aspect, it is complete rational for someone fit and health and as such unlikely to suffer significant effects, to be prudent regarding the long-term untested vaccines being pushed by these same 'authorities'.
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@peterwilliams1119 But as you're no doubt aware Hydroxychloroquine, if clinical trials show it to be effective, is a treatment for someone who has caught the virus, it is not a vaccine to prevent infection. I was aware that a vaccine is unlikely to be developed in time due to recent history of finding vaccines for past virus outbreaks. It wasn't till I started looking into why it takes so long and difficult that I started to realize some of the significant challenges developers have to consider and why it is essential to properly test it first e.g actually making matters worse, or prompting the body's immune system to attack itself. You'll never hear politicians ever mention these difficulties (in laymen's terms). They just stand in front of the camera in the case of the NSW Premier and basically lie to the public, implying a vaccine is imminent. It is not. She is either lying, incompetent for the task, or a mix of both.
They should acknowledge a vaccine is unlikely, this is how we plan to address the problem on that basis, and a near permanent lock-down is not a viable option. The cure in that case WILL be much worse than the disease. If a vaccine becomes available while we are executing our strategy, great we change strategy accordingly. But don't treat the public as all stupid morons as they are currently doing. They are on the edge of loosing the confidence of many 'normal' Australians, and for very valid reasons.
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@drtooth7505 I completely understand WHY they need to control who gets tested, they don't have enough. But don't stand up in a press conference and present this flawed testing as some factual insight into the current level of actual infection in Australia or how people may get it. I don't have any problem believing general health e.g. obesity, smoking, poor diet, etc is a MAJOR factor in how people respond to the virus. I don't need stats or formal studies to tell me the obvious.
For years people have been warned about the consequences of poor lifestyle choices, but they assumed the medical system would just fix em up as necessary (always a flawed belief). All that was really missing was they didn't know where the threat would come from. This isn't wishing anyone ill will, but unless people really get their head around what is truly happening, their risk factor, and what THEY really need to do e.g complete and total isolation till herd immunity develops, how can they take appropriate action that's relevant to their unique situation. People need solid facts, not just general spin. Give the public credit for having some intelligence.
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@drtooth7505 Absolutely agree about who is to blame. But I don't for a second believe it likely came from a wet market. It most likely escaped due to poor controls from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Why else would have doctors who were trying to raise public awareness have been threatened with jail. And why else are they all now either dead or missing. And this is coming from someone who isn't a big conspiracy believer.
An example of the lack of information, public preparedness, and personal responsibility. Fox News just ran a credible story, with decent scientific support, that pre diabetic and diabetic, especially with a high BMI are showing up as THE major factor in death in the US. I send this information to a friend who is pre-diabetic, 70 year old, significantly overweight, and other serious health conditions as long as your arm. Response: "pre-diabetes is not diabetes and that's why doctors don't treat it". Basically total denial. Fine continue going to the shops, masseur, chiropractor etc. I'd done my bit, can't do any more,
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From the actual study ......
"The abyssal ocean circulation is a key component of the global meridional overturning circulation, cycling heat, carbon, oxygen and nutrients throughout the world ocean. The strongest historical trend observed in the abyssal ocean is warming at high southern latitudes, yet it is unclear what processes have driven this warming, and whether this warming is linked to a slowdown in the ocean’s overturning circulation. Furthermore, attributing change to specific drivers is difficult owing to limited measurements, and because coupled climate models exhibit biases in the region. In addition, future change remains uncertain, with the latest coordinated climate model projections not accounting for dynamic ice-sheet melt. Here we use a transient forced high-resolution coupled ocean–sea-ice model to show that under a high-emissions scenario, abyssal warming is set to accelerate over the next 30 years."
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@chriswatson7965 Short answer, no. That thinking and lack of appropriate 'corporate' oversight is EXACTLY why it went wrong. No well run large private organisation handling a highly dangerous product would just leave it up to each site manager to do whatever they thought appropriate. At the corporate level (health department) you would expect to find a corporate risk committee of senior executives, a corporate risk manager and appropriately staffed team, a formalized risk management framework with documented controls, and routine audits performed at the site level to validate the controls and compliance.
That staff could just walk past this sick junior employee for 2 days, some observing a problem, and continue on thinking 'not my problem or responsibility' demonstrates a sick (pardon the pun) organisation culture. Organisation culture starts at the top.
P.S. And you wait, they will try and sheet all the blame onto this unfortunate 19 year old junior casual employee. Yes, she made a bad decision, as most 19 year old's are highly prone to doing. However, it is her employer who totally failed her.
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There is already extensive 'local voice' for aboriginal people, just make it work.
"The Agency (National Indigenous Australians Agency) has a regional presence across Australia. We have offices in capital cities, and regional and remote locations (including Alice Springs, Tennant Creek, Darwin, Ceduna, etc, etc). Staff from these offices routinely visit over 400 communities. We also have an Agency officer in residence in nearly 50 Indigenous communities.
The NIAA Regional Offices have strong relationships with other Australian Government agencies and departments, state, territory and local government, as well as non-government and industry partners."
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Glady's, some words of wisdom (hopefully) from one of your current critics. Having been forced out of quite a few quite high positions in my life (due to take-overs, and corporate downsizing), while it might seem your world is crashing down around you, trust me, there is life after this disaster. What you need to do is accept (gracefully) that this chapter of your life is now finished, you are NOT defined as a person by what you do for a job. Your character is now being put to the test. You can choose to go down in a screaming heap with the sinking ship, or gracefully step off, take a break, reinvent yourself and find a new direction in life. Like someone said to me when my first girlfriend dumped me, you will laugh about this one day. After I'd been dumped for about the 4th time, I didn't even give it a second thought. Same deal when I lost my first major job, devastated. By about the 4th time it was just a 'shrug of the shoulders'.
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@simonharris4873 Interest rates have close to doubled in Australia, and no one is blaming the current Labor government. We are informed enough to see it happening all over the world.
Significantly increasing interest rates are occurring all over the world in response to inflation being out of control. What's the root cause, the stupidity of covid responses by governments, all over the world.
Governments all over the world did as instructed by China. That is not a conspiracy theory, it is a FACT. Perfectly sound pandemic plans, developed over many years, were simply thrown away. And replaced by the extreme totally unscientific China model of lockdowns, masks, forced vaccinations, erosion of civil rights, governments printing and borrowing money like there was no tomorrow. What you are experiencing now is the result of THAT stupidity.
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Donald Trump WAS right .... on so many things. The threat of China, reducing the burden of big government, climate change is mostly a left-wing hoax, closing the border to China in the very early days of covid, pulling out of the Paris agreement, alternative Covid treatments, trying to keep the economy open, etc, etc, etc, etc.
The ONLY thing he probably was right on was underestimating the power of 'the swamp'. He took it on, and the swamp fought back, seemingly winning in the end, at least for the next 2 years.
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@willdevine8266 Look I appreciate your just a trol@ trying to amuse yourself. As I've now got bored with your nonsense this will be my last reply.
You really think a family with one income earner with a gross salary of $100K, which is around $80K after tax, is living in a water front property and owns one of tens of thousands of yachts and power boats anchored in every bay in the Harbor, Pittwater, etc. You are funny. RENT alone will take about $50K of their $80k a year. That's $30K, or $600 a week left, to pay for food, insurance, utilities, school fees, car costs.....
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@Ps-cz5fo The main message I don't think people get, is that the best protection people have to covid, and the next new virus that WILL come along, is taking care of their own individual health. If people smoke, are obese, live on a diet of Coke and McDonalds, etc, etc, ..... they are at high risk. This isn't just thoughts of someone with an interest in health, it is what the science clearly says. Virtually all the high risk factors e.g obesity, type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease are 100% preventable life style choice diseases. And just where is the massive pubic awareness campaigns on these issues .... TOTALLY non existent.
People will say changes in their lifestyle won't make a difference because of the time-frames. This thing has been going now for 18 months, and it will be around forever. It is never to late to start.
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@waza987 I think we seem in agreement that getting all kids back to school is not a higher priority over other aspects. Kids are young and adaptive and have a whole life to make up a few months delay in their education. Even those doing their HSC, simply fix, we don't want all the foreign university students back in any great hurry, so plenty of places in any course they care to choose.
To me its all about getting the young vulnerable workers who were on low wages so have few savings or support systems back into work. The dole is a very poor substitute for meaningful work, being busy, engaging with the community, exposure to motivated people etc. Nothing more destructive than sitting up all night playing computer games, smoking dope and sleeping all day. This is a sure path toward mental health and long term social problems. No one in the media or politicians seems to give a shit about these people who traditionally pull beers, wait on tables, work in the kitchen etc. The focus seems to be just on people's self interests eg, kids back at school, football restarted, motor sport, etc.
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Anyone who thinks you just invent something in a lab tube, and then just start sticking it into the population should read the following. Mainstream science from the National Academy of Science, not some wacko anti-vaxer stuff.......https://www.pnas.org/content/117/15/8218 Stuff these clowns in the media pushing an agenda will never tell you.....
"Researchers need to understand in particular whether the vaccine causes the same types of immune system malfunctions that have been observed in past vaccine development. Since the 1960s, tests of vaccine candidates for diseases such as dengue, respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) have shown a paradoxical phenomenon: Some animals or people who received the vaccine and were later exposed to the virus developed more severe disease than those who had not been vaccinated (1). The vaccine-primed immune system, in certain cases, seemed to launch a shoddy response to the natural infection. “That is something we want to avoid,” says Kanta Subbarao, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Centre for Reference and Research on Influenza in Melbourne, Australia.
This immune backfiring, or so-called immune enhancement, may manifest in different ways such as antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), a process in which a virus leverages antibodies to aid infection; or cell-based enhancement, a category that includes allergic inflammation caused by Th2 immunopathology. In some cases, the enhancement processes might overlap. Scientific debate is underway as to which, if any, of these phenomena—for which exact mechanisms remain unclear—could be at play with the novel coronavirus and just how they might affect the success of vaccine candidates."
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@ianenglish123 No, exact opposite. 'The Voice' via its national and regional structures (they are truly poorly thought out) will add another mountain of bureaucracy to the problem. Aboriginal bureaucracy, internal conflict, opposing clans, etc, etc will be even worse than a traditional 'western' (for want of a better descriptor) one.
The problem is not the government (or anyone else) not knowing the problems. Everyone already knows the problems. The issue is identifying workable solutions, implementing those solutions, and continually evaluating progress and making timely adjustments where necessary. 'The Voice' does none of that, those all remain the responsibility of government.
Another body, telling the government what needs to be addressed will achieve NOTHING positive for people on the ground. There are already literarily hundreds of aboriginal bodies already doing that. FFS the Minister for Indigenous Affairs, sitting inside the Cabinet (the very seat of power) identifies as an aboriginal person.
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@TB1M1 Yes its a world average, that's my point. I'm assuming from your response you have some understanding of statics. For someone wanting to understand the risk from the virus as it relates to themselves, the global average will tell them absolutely NOTHING. We know the data behind the global average is anything but a normal distribution, being heavily skewed by age (which I think is mostly a proxy for the prevalence of relevant preexisting health conditions). So even the most basic assumptions we make using a global average are highly misleading, at the individual level.
The best indicator for the individual is to look at the world average for age groups, but not for their physical age, but for their own estimation of their 'health age'. Example if unclear, if someone is a morbidly obese 30 year old, look at the death rate for say people 80 to get some indication of what this virus means to YOU. If your a healthy 60 year old (which is not the majority, sorry folk), probably not unreasonable to look at the 40 year old age rate.
Then recognize your average health age death rate is overstated. It is the death rate for reported cases. The more correct answer needs to include unreported cases. What's the rate of unreported cases, we don't seem to have a clue, certainly not in Australia without widespread random testing. Reasonable to assume, the rate of unreported cases gets higher as age decreases.
So pulling all the above together, the global average death rate for people with a health age of 40 or less is 0.2%. Make an adjustment for unreported cases, and living in a country with a first class health system, and the number is probably somewhere closer to 0.1%.
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Andrew, you continue to disappoint. Perhaps just a bit too much 'whiskey with a mate (or without a mate)' these days.
The Australian people via its elected Government trained VERY young men to be killers. We, the people, then send them to a totally pointless war, purely in support of the US alliance, no other reason, to be possibly killed.
We demand they live every day with the prospect of being killed that day, watch their friends get blown to pieces, not even safe in their camp. Then we are outraged if a small group act inappropriate. We put them in that position, we are responsible for what happens, both good and bad. The Australian people are responsible for what may have happened, the Government is responsible, the Army command, and LEAST of all, the men and women on the front line that all these other people placed these very young people in. If we hadn't put them in that position, nothing would have happened.
So now we want them to be even more paranoid with the thought in the back of their mind they may face criminal prosecutions every time they walk on the battlefield. Aren't we wonderful!
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John Wilson You need to take a big breath, close your eyes, and relax. Now go back and read my first comment and this time try to actually understand it. I'll give you a few tips to help. What I'm saying is the only chance The Democrats have of retaining office is for Donald to run again. I'm not defending Donald, I'm saying he is nearly un-electable.
No one in their right mind could possible vote for Joe Biden on his merits. A racist, criminal, cheat all his life, pervert, and a serial liar ..... and now significant mentally impaired. He won't last 4 years so bad has been the obvious mental decline over the past 4 years since he was VP which is obvious to everyone (regardless of what you may write on social media to defend your man).
So if he Republicans put forward someone like Mike Pence as a candidate, present a united front behind him .... your woman (it will be Harris) is a complete dead duck. You should want Donald to run again, be supportive of him, sing his praises ..... because it is the ONLY chance the Democrats have of retaining office.
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@freibuis Honestly, you've lost me on the left/right question. But regarding human induced climate change, virtually everyone agrees man has an affect on the climate. Man started affecting the climate 4000 years ago when we cleared the great forests of Asia and replaced them with methane producing rice-paddies. That man induced climate change is the 'debate' is just a deliberate misrepresentation of the concerns of many by the left-wing social warriors masquerading as people genuinely concerned about the environment.
Judith Curry, is a highly qualified climate scientist with way more integrity than the fraudulent Michael Mann. She believes in AGW, yet she is called a 'climate denier' simply because she believes a lot of current climate science lacks basic academic rigor. Same criticism as Professor Peter Ridd, again a highly qualified reef scientist (no matter what the hate brigade say). Bjorn Lomberg believes in AWG, yet he is also called a 'climate denier'. Simply because he believes trying to address rising CO2 emissions under our current approach is just a massive cost for next to no environmental impact.
Many believe current approaches are destined to fail. How can just sticking in a bunch of windmills and solar panels possible be adequate when the world population will double in just over 60 years, the third world has a right to climb out of poverty and is becoming a rising middle class, and the first world continues its ever increasing environmental footprint pretending banning plastic shopping bags is going to achieve anything (just look around, it is). Well it has, sales of plastic rubbish bin liners have skyrocketed. Even the most basic scrutiny should surely indicate sticking in a bunch of windmills and solar panels must fail. The 'rent seekers' like Malcolm Turnbull's son, Ross Garnaut, and the big energy players will be the only winners.
To me the debate is really about where will we get the best environment outcome for our dollar, not put the whole burden on those who can least afford it, and bring about an orderly transition that doesn't punish working people. THAT is the real debate people who generally care about the world they live in are trying to have. The current climate change push is actually a hindrance to true and direct environmental action e.g. preservation of habitat, getting enough water into the Murray Darling system to satisfy BOTH farmers and the environment. If they have to complete for a limited resource the environment will lose every time. Don't hold you breath waiting for the ABC to discuss these types of 'meaty' issues.
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Thought the journalist make a couple of major mistakes. First, assuming a vehicle is "so popular" because its sold out. Go try buy a new diesel powered Ford Everest, not even released yet, and you'll find yourself on a 12 month waiting list. Just about every vehicle is sold out at present, due to manufacturing delays rather than large buyer demand.
And his mileage when towing was in practice way out. Actual road tests with one driver, unload truck, unloaded van got 80 miles between charges. And that was on flat roads. So load up the truck, the van, tow up some decent hills, don't let the battery get below 25% charge because you need to maintain a 'safety margin', scarcity of recharge points in the country ..... and basically its a completely useless tow vehicle.
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@SigrunHT It's more than just driving the Democrats crazy. It's being unable to get women largely uninterested in politics to vote for him. It's giving the left-wing biased MSM a total 'free kick. It's giving the Deep State a gift from heaven.
People seem to be loosing sight of the future goal, and are bogged down in the past and personalities. This is playing right into the hands of the Democrats.
The goal should be to select the candidate with the highest chance of winning office, and regaining the House and Senate majority. .... as well as delivering on a future vision as people see it.
If people put aside petty squabbles about who done who wrongs etc, the Republicans have a wealth of talent to choose from. That's probably the biggest problem, too many good potential candidates, what a problem to have. On the other hand, the Democrats have NOTHING. Their only chance is a rerun again Donald.
Say for example Ron DeSamtis is seem as the future, if this decision is made NOW, and every conservative 100% throws their support behind him (putting aside their own favorite for the greater good) the House and Senate are regained in 2 years, Joe/The Camel becomes a 'lame duck' President, and the Presidency is regained in less than 4 years. Eight years of good conservative rule for certain.
The only thing that can derail this idea, is division within the conservative base, and giving the 'establishment' the only possible change they have of clinging to power, Donald Trump.
P.S. I like Donald, but the 'goal' is way bigger than just the future ambitions of one person.
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@SigrunHT Yes there is Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley, Mike Pence .... as I said in a previous comment, a wealth of talent, and ALL could easily beat The Kamel.
Withing a heartbeat expect someone to comment on the above slamming Mike Pence for disloyalty for not following Donald's rather foolish request regarding the joint setting of Congress to finalize the electoral college votes. And then someone else will jump in slamming Nikki Haley for telling Donald he was an arsehole for publicly criticizing his loyal for 4 years lieutenant Mike Pence for not complying with his stupid ego driven request.
The point I'm making is there is a wealth of talent to easily take down the Democrats. The only thing that will prevent this from happening is Republican supporters infighting, trying to eat their own, clinging to the past e.g. "we was robbed", being divided, and allowing support for a personality (Donald) to surpass cold hard headed political judgement.
P.S. By the way, I agree with Nikki, Donald was a total areshole for how he treated Mike Pence at the end. Mike deserved better, much better.
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@No-wo8ri You've given me nothing other than some BS your spinning. But I'll give you something ....
"What prevented Australia from experiencing a technical recession at the critical juncture in 2008-09 was a combination of lower interest rates, a major exchange rate depreciation, strong foreign demand for mining exports, especially from China, and a then more flexible labour market.
There is no evidence fiscal stimulus benefited the economy over the medium term. Largely implemented after the worst of the GFC had passed, fiscal stimulus countered the effectiveness of monetary policy by keeping market interest rates higher than otherwise and therefore contributed to a strong exchange rate. This worsened Australia’s international competitiveness and damaged industries in the internationally exposed sector, particularly manufacturing. " Tony Markin, Professor of Economics Griffith Business School, B Arts, B Economics (Hons), M Economics, PhD .
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@will-ld9fj Personally I think your just virtue signalling. I don't have any of duty of care for anyone beyond the care they take themselves. If someone wants to row a small boat to New Zealand, and they have been told endlessly this is a foolish and dangerous thing to do, and they get into trouble a couple hundred meters offshore, am I going to put myself in danger and to rescue them, NO WAY. If I can rescue them with no possibility of harm to me, yes I'll do that. But that's not what a total lockdown of society is, its EXTREMELY harmful to a section of society, and generally the section least able to bear the pain. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of people outside the aged care sector who are at risk are in that situation because of their own foolish actions. Eating shit, and not exercising. And they have been told for years this behavior was likely to kill them, which it is doing slowly (in many cases not so slowly) every day regardless of Covid-19.
Why don't you explain to me why its necessary to stop people going fishing to protect old people in nursing homes? I have no idea why. And please spare me the virtue signalling nonsense about you really care about the elderly in nursing homes. When was the last time you visited someone at one just to give them some company? When did you last drive for 'meals-on-wheels'? Never will be the answer. You've probably never set foot in one.
And while your at it, just why should the 3500 people a year who die from Influenza not be brought up? Or the 600,000 who die world wide from Influenza, or the 8 million from cigarette smoking? Or the 3 million a year who die from Type 2 diabetes. Or the 380,000 Americans who die each year in aged care homes from infection. Why? Because comparison to such things puts 90 deaths in Australia, or 240,000 globally so far into some sort of perspective. And we can't have that now can we.
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@msntrio4456 Don't bother with your article. It's irrelevant. And regardless, no matter what solid scientific evidence I put before regarding the narrow minded money driven attitude of the medical establishment, my take is you'll just argue for the sake of arguing. The medical establishment will quash anything that doesn't align with with their vested interests. Even going as far as to fabricate bogus studies in The Lancet to undermine inexpensive and effective treatments for covid. Oh, yes they did!
Read this, and it'll be the last response you'll get from me ......
"the enumerated evidence from the literature strongly suggests great benefits of zinc supplementation. Zinc supplementation improves the mucociliary clearance, strengthens the integrity of the epithelium, decreases viral replication, preserves antiviral immunity, attenuates the risk of hyper-inflammation, supports anti-oxidative effects and thus reduces lung damage and minimized secondary infections. Especially older subjects, patients with chronic diseases and most of the remaining COVID-19 risk groups would most likely benefit. Although studies are needed testing the effect of zinc as therapeutic option for established disease, preventive supplementation of subjects from risk groups should begin now, as zinc is a cost-efficient, globally available and simple to use option with little to no side effects." https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.01712/full
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@Poorlineforeva What makes you think Australia is all that different to Merica? Unpopular leaders of both major parties, the left destroying traditional values and institutions, cost of living crisis, uncontrolled illegal arrivals, climate change obsession, cancel culture, race politics, transgender madness, etc, etc, etc, etc.
Australia used to be several years behind whatever was happening in the US. With the internet that time difference has virtually disappeared.
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@kymstock1852 First of all, its not "according to me", you'll find no shortage of scientific literature on why contract tracing doesn't work for Influenza. If you believe some piss ant mobile phone app is going to solve the problems your mistaken. Where has it been tested and shown to work? Answer nowhere.
Covid-19 like Influenza is vastly different to SARS and MERS where contract tracing did work. I suggest you research the difference in terms of just when infection can be spread and the speed of infection to understand the difference. None of the people who at first told you 150,000 people were going to die, then it was flatten the curve, now it is eradication, are going to explain it to you. The reason, its just another fabrication. All they want to do is hold the economy in suspended animation for as long as possible, using as much fear tactics as possible, to generate research money for a vaccine. I can see no other logic explanation. Even the optimism around finding a vaccine is just another fabrication. Chances of that are EXTREMELY low.
This whole sorry saga is one massive pile of misinformation and error. We don't even know how many people have died from covid-19 with any degree of accuracy. Not a single person under 50 has died out of the nearly 7000 cases in Australia. The vast majority of aged care residents who get it don't die, they recover. Surely that tells you something.
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Just watched a fraud from the Weather Bureau claiming the heavy rainfall year IS due to 'climate change'. Her reasoning, man made climate change is warming the planet, and warmer temperatures hold more moisture. Only one problem, when you actually look at a graph of annual rainfall for Sydney since 1858 (on the Weather Bureaus own website) there is no trend. All you see are fluctuating yearly total, maintaining a consistent trend around a year average of 1200mm , with abnormally high peaks (over 2000 mm) in 1859, 1885, 1950, 1964, and in 2022.
The graph clearly indicates there is NO correlation between rainfall for Sydney and a tiny increase in average global temperature, let alone anything that can demonstrate causation. The graph actually supports the complete opposite, no correlation between rainfall and temperature. Seems the climate warriors at the Weather Bureau aren't interested in facts if they don't support their fake alarmist narrative.
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By asking that loaded question, what you are doing is showing you know as much about how the resources sector works as most typical leftist greenies. And that's nothing.
People benefit immensely from wages and services, which in turn is used to support a whole town/region. Even the guy/gal who pulls beers at the local RSL club benefits by having a job that otherwise wouldn't exist.
Politicians benefit by way of the massive royalties paid to government that funds hospitals, schools, police, the arts, etc, etc, etc,
And the owners of the company benefit. In many cases that is just about every Australian who is or has worked, as they are owners in the company via their superannuation.
Next question?
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@espkh1549 "We" don't have a choice who is running the country on many important issues. The vast major of Australian's, of all political beliefs, have for years supported voluntary euthanasia, but prevented by a tiny church power group.
The place is run, and always had been run, by 'faceless men' with the politicians mere puppets doing what they are told. They just throw the public enough crumbs so their side stays in power. The only people wanting a large population, with 'international students' just being a bogus part of that plan, are property developers and governments who want ever increasing tax revenue to waste.
Australia's wealth has always been, and always will be, its natural resources e.g. mining and farming. They aren't making any more of it, the more people there are to spread this finite wealth among, the poorer each individual becomes.
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@adrianfox7972 No one is saying that 'renewables' can't be an important part of the energy mix. But the notion being pushed by advocates is that 'renewables' can TOTALLY replace other forms of generation e.g coal, gas, hydro, nuclear. This is simply a lie, well at least a lie if a county wants to have a viable economy and an equitable distribution of wealth and opportunity.
Every country will have different circumstances as to what base load power options are available to it. Virtually all of Europe is interconnected, and France's nuclear reactors fill that roll. Australia is a total island, has limited hydro opportunities, so that leaves coal, gas, or nuclear. There is limited political will for the cleanest option, nuclear. So that just leaves coal and gas. Australia has masses of coal, so modern 'clean' coal fired power is obviously the way to go. It will make ZERO difference to the future temperature of the planet, ZERO.
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Yes the resources sector has continued to fund Australia. But the biggest driver of GDP growth for years has been immigration, especially 'students'. Immigration is nothing other then selling the country of in small pieces. You pay, bring your money with you, etc, and in exchange we give you a 'bit' of the country. Nothing particularly productive about that. It's why real GDP per Person has been falling for years,
The closures of the borders has exposed this completely nonviable Ponzi scheme. Unless Australia returns to training its own people in the skills it needs, reinvigorates a viable manufacturing sector to allow people other the a select few to have good wages and working conditions and transition to a middle class lifestyle, the country is doomed. We can't even rely on the resources sector going into the future, it has ALWAYS been a boom and bust sector. Housing industry isn't much better.
And the ONLY competitive advantage Australia has in manufacturing is the capacity to draw on cheap energy. Coal, gas, and nuclear. Continue to be driven by the selfish woke agenda of climate change activists and media, and we are certain to become a third-world backwater.
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What a pile of crap. Australia has NO sustainable competitive advantage in solar or wind power compared to the USA, Africa, South America, Asia, etc, etc, etc. Fossil fuel extraction in Australia receive ZERO subsidies, only high taxes in the way of massive royalties paid to state governments to fund the nations schools, hospitals, police, the arts, etc, etc. Renewable energy receives around 10 BILLION dollars in subsidies, much of it going to overseas 'rent seekers'.
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@damob5969 Sorry to disappoint you, the study you have linked is just ANOTHER theoretical modelling exercise using proxies, and very poor ones at that e.g. "we use a physically-based index of fire
weather, the Fire Weather Index, long-term observations of heat and drought, and eleven large ensembles of state-of-the-art climate models". Basically worthless spin. What Matt was asking for is EXACTLY what should be expected, a historical analysis of ACTUAL REAL bushfires data (number, area burned, property damage, conditions on the day, etc, etc.). If the various rural fire services have not been recording this information in a central database for quite some time the management should be sacked.
I've long looked for EXACTLY the type of study, and I've yet to find one. The closest I've come was the following study by the CSIRO done in 1976. If you take the time to read it, take note of the "unprecedented" fire of 1905 that swept through much of the same are as the recent fires. The eyewitness accounts from Bateman's Bay residents in 1905 could have been describing the recent fires that struck the area, again. https://publications.csiro.au/rpr/download?pid=procite:96d88e42-6798-4f25-9e9a-b3b306fe4736&dsid=DS1
Of cause there was a drought that created bad fire conditions along the whole East Coast of Australia, and in VIC/SA. Is it some sort of secret Australia was in the grip of a drought of the same magnitude as the worst drought since white settlement, the Federation drought of 1900? This isn't our worst. In the 11th century Australia had a 39 year long drought, and 80 out of the 100 years were below average rainfall. So bad the aboriginal clans had to abandoned parts of Australia. It happened before 'climate change' hysteria and it will happen again, sometime. We need to be prepared.
I suggest you do some research of the so called rainforests that burned for the first time. This has well and truly been shown to be FAKE NEWS. The true rain forest areas did NOT burn. I saw the manager of the Binna Burra lodge being interviewed and he confirmed the pristine rain forest did NOT burn.
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@damob5969 Matt wasn't asking for a theoretical 'study'. He as asking for a solid factual one. Even if you don't agree with Matt's political leaning, it would be a grave mistake to think he isn't smart. He would be fully aware on the numerous theoretical opinions like the one your linked. Quite recent theoretical studies acknowledge no proper attribution study (meaning analysis of REAL fire data) has ever been performed.
Seventeen experts?? On the balance of probabilities, a bunch of post graduate students who have never had the ability or confidence to ever leave the safe confines of a university. And yes I've spent quite some time in this sheltered workshop.
The CSIRO report of the the 1905 fires was a "pretty small area"????? From Bateman's Bay on the coast to Adaminby and through the Snowy Mountains. Basically the EXACT same area of the recent fires.
I fully appreciate you truly want to believe recent events are FAR worse than in the past. But its just an unfounded belief, not based on any demonstrable fact. Just 'virtue signalling' i.e. I'm a good person because I really care. But have you ever considered how condescending and disingenuous this belief is to previous generations of Australian, those who built this fine country, claiming they had it relatively easy. The reality is the hardship and fear they would have faced from horrific bushfire in the past would have been many magnitudes worse, before mobile phones, radio, TV, helicopters, even insurance, only transport a horse and cart down a rough dirt track, and fire fighting gear a wet hessian bag on a stick.
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@damob5969 You can't possibly have any objective understanding of Climategate and still believe Michael Mann has an ounce of credibility. He fraudulently altered data because it didn't show the 'right message'. That's not the work of an objective scientist, its the work of a deceitful activist. In summary .....
"The scientists involved in the email exchanges manipulated evidence in IPCC and WMO reports with the effect of misleading readers, including policymakers. The divergence problem was concealed by deleting data to “hide the decline.” The panels that examined the issue in detail, namely Muir Russell’s panel, concurred that the graph was “misleading.” The ridiculous attempt by the Penn State Inquiry to defend an instance of deleting data and splicing in other data to conceal a divergence problem only discredits their claims to have investigated the issue.
Phil Jones admitted deleting emails, and it appears to have been directed towards preventing disclosure of information subject to Freedom of Information laws, and he asked his colleagues to do the same. The inquiries largely fumbled this question, or averted their eyes.
The scientists privately expressed greater doubts or uncertainties about the science in their own professional writings and in their interactions with one another than they allowed to be stated in reports of the IPCC or WMO that were intended for policymakers. Rather than criticise the scientists for this, the inquiries (particularly the House of Commons and Oxburgh inquiries) took the astonishing view that as long as scientists expressed doubts and uncertainties in their academic papers and among themselves, it was acceptable for them to conceal those uncertainties in documents prepared for policy makers.
The scientists took steps individually or in collusion to block access to data or methodologies in order to prevent external examination of their work. This point was accepted by the Commons Inquiry and Muir Russell, and the authors were admonished and encouraged to improve their conduct in the future.
The inquiries were largely unable to deal with the issue of the issue of blocking publication of papers, or intimidating journals. But academics reading the emails could see quite clearly the tribalism at work, and in comparison to other fields, climatology comes off looking juvenile, corrupt and in the grip of a handful of self-appointed gatekeepers and bullies."
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@damob5969 All your actually demonstrating is that you know nothing about the Climate-gate fraud. It's impossible to read the emails and not conclude deliberate data manipulation occurred to "hide the decline" to prevent "skeptics from having a field day" and give the IPCC "the nice clean message they want". That is not science, it is fraudulent activism. https://sealevel.info/FOIA/
Try ....
"excuse me while I puke" from the highly regarded late Keith Briffa in responding to Mann thanking the team for arriving at a product "acceptable to all". Keith Briffa actually believed temperatures in the past 1000 years were similar to present (at the time of the email exchanges around 2000). In a number of emails he expressed his disagreement with 'massaging' the outcome. https://sealevel.info/FOIA/0926681134.txt
Or Professor Bradley's view on Mann trying to censor differing points of view "I would like to disassociate myself from Mike Mann's view ...... I find this notion quite absurd. ...... As for thinking that it is "Better that nothing appear, than something unnacceptable to us" .....as though we are the gatekeepers of all that is acceptable in the world of paleoclimatology seems amazingly arrogant."
https://sealevel.info/FOIA/0494.txt
Mann's instruction to his lackeys on how to deal with conflicting points of view https://sealevel.info/FOIA/1067194064.txt
The only reason different data sets were spliced together "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's TO HIDE THE DECLINE" https://sealevel.info/FOIA/0942777075.txt
Pure 'cherry picking' by Mann to achieve a desired outcome ....."I think that trying to adopt a timeframe of 2K, rather than the usual 1K, addresses a good earlier point that Peck made w/ regard to the memo, that it would be nice to try to "contain" the putative "MWP". MWP stands for Medieval Warm Period, a time with solid scientific and historical records that support its temperature was not significantly different to present, may have actually been warmer. Mann's more experienced and credible colleague Briffa supported this view. https://sealevel.info/FOIA/1054736277.txt
Is this the work of an objective and balanced scientist, or a biased vindictive activist? https://sealevel.info/FOIA/1047388489.txt
If you actually take the time to read through the emails, and still don't believe Mann is a fraud, an egotistical bully, someone prepared to falsify 'research' for political and personal gain, goes to great length to drag down anyone with a different view, then that simply demonstrates how clouded your judgement is by your bias. Michael Mann should be the 'poster boy' for the climate change scientific establishment, he more than anyone else represents everything that is WRONG with it.
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@LukeXMV And many elderly (part pensioners) are actually exceptionally well off. A trip overseas each year, new car every couple years, eating at restaurants. Sitting on a multi-million dollar property, free medical, and part subsidised by other working Australians (including young people who can't even afford to buy a cheap house).
Sorry, don't quite follow the point you were making. Are you referring to now retired 'baby-boomers' who lived through the most prosperous times every experienced in Australia, several housing booms, several mining booms, free university education, etc, etc, and at the end of all that have nothing to show because they pissed all their money away on booze and gambling? That crowd?
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@Robert-cu9bm People don't die from Influenza in any numbers all year round. Influenza has a 'season' of about 5 months each year. In the Northern Hemisphere the vast majority of deaths occur in just 2 months February and March. It's so short and predictable the season is tracked in weeks.
So you found one website for you information, that's not a lot of effort. Go to the UK bureau of stats (can't recall its correct name) and they track Influenza deaths in minute detail, down to the hospital level for England. Its consistently around 30,000 a year who die FROM both Influenza and Pneumonia. You have to add pneumonia to the total as this is what caused the person to die, and what many doctors write as the cause of death. They also track in detail, deaths where the doctor notes Influenza at the time of death, but the cause of death is some other preexisting condition. And these, plus the actual Influenza deaths tally around 100,000 a year.
It's no different to Australia where the number of reported deaths from Influenza is around 1,500 taken from the death certificate. This doesn't include deaths from viral pneumonia, which is primarily caused by Influenza. You have to add those 2 together to get the true number per year, around 3,500. And it still doesn't include deaths from some other disease, exacerbated by having Influenza. Using the English stats as a guide, that would bring the total where people had Influenza at the time of their deaths to somewhere around 10,000 a year. That does not seem unreasonable for a country that has 300,000 reported cases, and the majority of people probably don't go to the doctor if they get Influenza.
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@carlenedickinson9535 That they are likely counting anyone who died who tested positive, or they just assume without testing it might be Covid-19 is consistent with data I looked on the UK Government data base for Influenza. In that case 30,000 people a year are reported as dying from Influenza or its related Pneumonia each year. But around 100,000 (including the 30k) people a year die who had Influenza at the time of death noted on the death certificate. Over three times the amount where the doctor thought the Influenza or Pneumonia just accentuated say the chronic heart condition.
With Covid-19 you can bet they are using the 100,000 a year methodology. So comparing apples with apples, UK deaths from/with Influenza are probably around 120,000 people each and every year (adding a guess at 20,00 for Scotland, Wales, etc). Covid-19 deaths so far are around 30,000 people. Makes a MASSIVE difference when things are placed into some sort of proper perspective.
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@Barry Are you really serious? Murdoch's media presence is a couple newspapers, which these days have VERY few sales e.g. the Australian, and a subscription TV channel SkyNews. Basically 2/5th of stuff all.
On the other end of the spectrum, the left has total control of the ABC, SBS, Free to Air channels 7, 9, and 10, as well as Facebook, Twitter (might change now that Elon has taken over), and YouTube.
SkyNews between 7.00am and 5.00pm is as left leaning as any other media source in Australia e.g. Tom Connell.
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@MrMuleTech So what? 100 people dying in one week is more tragic than 100 dying in 3 weeks. Sorry, can't see the great point in that. But the reality is you don't actually know accurately the number of deaths related to Influenza and Covid-19 to make a valid comparison. I just finished a response to a UK person pointing out 30,000 deaths a year in England have stated on their death certificate as dying FROM Influenza or its related Viral Phenomena. BUT 100,000 people a year have Influenza noted on their death certificate. They died WITH Influenza, which may have exasperated their their heart condition. Covid-19 deaths in most places are being recorded using the second much broader definition. If someone was positive at the time of death, they will be recorded as a Covid-19 death, regardless of why they actually died. And it's worse that that, many aren't even be tested, its just assumed they are Covid-19 positive at the time of death.
Point being when you compare the current UK deaths of people who died with Covid-19 of 29,400 to the 140,000? people each year who died with Influenza it takes on a quite different perspective.
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@garethgrundy8087 As I understand it, the first problem is the capacity of the typical home battery. With today's electric everything, it is WAY to small. I recently researched 'can you charge your EV from the home battery (at night when your panels are producing nothing). Answer, NO. The typical car battery is many times bigger than than the typical house battery.
Regarding changing societies behavior. Unfortunately its my observation that we are going the complete opposite direction. My farther and mother (WWII, Great Depression generation) were as frugal as 'church mice'. Everything was repaired, repurposed, used WAY beyond its intended design. I inherited some of those attitudes e.g. turning the lights of in any room not being used, walking the 10 minutes to the train station etc. My children (now young adults) purchase a constant stream of junk over the internet, get in the car to drive 100 meters, etc, etc. And all their friends are exactly the same. They just about purchase a new bicycle because the tires are flat on the old one.
We are getting worse, not better. NO Western country is really reducing its 'carbon footprint'. All they have done is cheat the figures by exporting all their manufacturing to places like China (evidence, global emissions, the only meaningful count, continue to increase).
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@annah7268 Sorry, your logic has more holes in than swiss cheese. Donald Trump is now LESS electable than he was in 2020. Roby Wade, January 6, treatment of Mike Pence, just talks about himself, etc, etc, etc, just to name a few. Joe Biden hasn't changed, just as dithery and incompetent as he clearly was prior to the election. If anything he has performed better than expected. That's not saying good, but not the total train-wreck expected. People didn't vote for Biden, they voted to reject Trump in 2020, and now he is now even less electable.
Definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
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Well Andrew, again you made a total tool of yourself. Bet you regret asking Daisy Cousins to comment on the matter. She actually understood the issues involved, put forward a compelling case, and made you look like unprepared, talking out your backside, and basically stupid.
And to use George W Bush, a person who should have been charged with war crimes for his illegal invasion of Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of people, creating ISIS, and causing several failed states, and massive humanitarian problems that continues to this day as support for your notion of 'conservative values' is purely laughable.
Sorry Andrew, you just lost a long time supporter, permanently.
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@BUD8302 What's wrong with a media owner having publications that leaning toward the right of politics? Are you going to argue that only left promoting media like the ABC, SBS, TV stations 7/9/10, The Guardian, The Age, Sydney Morning Herald, Financial Review, etc, etc should be allowed.
Who says Murdoch has a lot of political influence these days? Burnt out hacks like Kevin Rudd who's ego can't allow themselves to recognize that the reason they lost office was because they were HATED by everyone who they cam in contact with. It had NOTHING to do with Rupert Murdoch.
Why would 500,000 people sign Rudd's partition? Because like you, there are a lot of people in Australia who are easily lead, and lack the intellectual rigor to determine the true situation.
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@BUD8302 Your now just talking crap. The news presenters on SkyNews up until the right wing oriented opinion presenters take over at 5.00pm (Chris Kenny) are ALL left wing leaning. FFS, they are people like Annelise Nielsen. As you clearly don't watch SkyNews and have no idea who their presenters are or their political leaning, Annelise Nielsen is an opinionated left-wing feminist.
You are clearly hard left biased. That's the reason you hate Murdoch, it just goes with the territory that you just have to hate him. You can't even rationally explain why.
P.S. The left don't read much, certainly not broadly. Most are VERY poorly educated, really educated. If a person is truly educated it is virtually impossible to view the world from a left wing point of view. People may start out idealistic in life and lean to the left, but as they grow up and become experienced in life they move to the right with a more conservative view. And there is a very good reason this happens all over the world. People become more conservative because of experience as they age, or are failures in life. That's what make up the left, the young, people who are failures in life, or opportunists who can manipulate those groups for self interest e.g. Kevin Rudd, Malcolm Turnbull.
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Morrison, all the State Premiers, and all the public health officials had full knowledge of the various options available to them PRIOR to shutting the economy. They were fully aware the options were (a) shut the whole economy, or (b) as the virus is ONLY affecting the very old and vulnerable, focus on protecting that sector. That information was clearly obvious from the unfolding drama in Italy. I know they had full knowledge that expert prepared various options were available because even I read them.
They chose the WRONG option (to totally smash the economy), when it was painfully obvious the correct one was just focus on protecting the vulnerable, which they failed miserably to do properly by worrying about fit and health people on Bondi Beach. They stuffed up big time, and need to be held accountable. We are just lucky, nothing else, that we've gotten away so lightly up to this point. It has NOTHING to do with good government policy, quite the opposite. All our deaths, even though small in number, are due to more government failures e.g Ruby Princess, age care homes.
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Gee a tough crew here. Even a total 'get the government of everyone's back' person like me supports tight control over people coming into Australia. I'm not even scared of covid, expect to get it sometime, and expect to be less sick than if i take the vaccine.
BUT ... the last thing I want to see is CONSTANT state lock-downs, and people constantly walking around looking totally stupid in ill fitting surgical masks, nonsensical can't stand but can sit in pub rules, etc, etc. That's what we'll have to endure if the virus get a run on in the community.
If people want to leave, fine. But expect to go to the back of the queue to return, NO exceptions, expect to be stuck for a LONG time, and pay a bond up front to cover the FULL cost of your quarantine and testing upon return.
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@leealan6416 As you say, Ridsdale was correctly charged and sentenced to a long term in prison. Pell was asked to provide a character reference at the time of the trial, and appropriately declined to do so. It's reasonable to conclude from that action that Pell accepted his friend or colleague actions (I really don't know the depth of their association) were very wrong, and he in no way was supporting Ridsdale on a character basis.
As a priest, or even a friend, I can't have any criticism of him continuing his 'moral/spiritual' support for Ridsdale. In fact I would see it as a most 'unpriestly' for him to totally abandon Ridsdale, or any other person in difficulty.
I would like to think my good lifetime friends would stand by me, no matter what I did. I know I would for them. That is NOT a dismissal of their wrongdoing, it is just being there when they need someone.
Really the only complaint that can be leveled at Pell, is the same one that can be levelled at the whole Catholic church, and for that matter virtually every other denomination. And that is the church placed greater priority in maintaining the reputation of the church, rather than supporting the victims. The whole institution is guilt of that mistake, which is not a crime, just wrong. Pell was just a product of that historic flawed culture, a culture that went right to the very top of the institution.
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@davidl98717 The is now clear evidence the virus was in France in late December (from blood samples taken at that time) from someone who has never been to China, or mixed in a Chinese community. So the virus was already circulating in the French population in December. Similar results have been found in the USA for blood taken in early January. It's been way more prevalent for much longer than most people believe.
When informed people make a comparison to Influenza (and there are many valid comparisons), what goes wrong is that uninformed people assume Influenza is some very mild disease. It is for the majority (just like Covid-19) but it is extremely deadly if it gets among the frail and elderly (just like Covid-19). Australia has had around 90 deaths from Covid-19, nearly all in aged care facilities. In any given year around 3500 people die from Influenza, again mostly people in aged care facilities, and society doesn't blink an eye lid.
There is a global health care crises. But it isn't Covid-19. All this quite mild bug is doing is shinning a light on this MAJOR health care problem. And a vaccine (unlikely to be found) is not a fix, it is a band-aid solution till the next virus turns up, which it will. Unless people start to address the real problem, their appalling state of poor health from living on junk food, obesity, smoking, and lack of exercise that gives them the major diseases that make them susceptible to every new minor bug that comes along, we are destined to just repeat this nonsense over and over and over.
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@davidl98717 There is virtually zero risk to young children. I won't say none, but the risk is so small there are other way more dangerous things to worry about, Influenza being one. Again while a small risk relatively, Influenza can kill small children.
From what I can gather, its that children don'y have developed immune systems is what actually keeps them safe. The theory is that its not actually the virus that kills people, its the bodies response to try and defend itself which causes a massive inflammation attack on the body itself. Research "cytokine storm". It's the theory why obese people are so susceptible. All that fat adds somehow to the problem.
Boris is a classic case of what I'm saying. Compare how he fared to Prince Charles, nearly 20 years older. Now I don't know for certain how Charles lives, but if he walks the talk I expect him to eat healthy, and he looks pretty fit for his age. Boris on the other hand looks everyday like he just home from an all night session at the pub/club. He is way overweight and doesn't look at all healthy. Apparently he has a history of poor health, having had pneumonia previously. He went down like a sack of potatoes, and Charles goes through like nothing at all happened. It reinforces my belief that physical age is not such a big contributor, it is health age that is important. Lets be honest, the average person over 50 years old is an unhealthy chub of lard. For sure they can't be like 20 again, but they can do WAY better. Bottom line, it is the only viable protection for someone. Everywhere else I just see panicked useless navel gazing doom and gloom e.g lets hope it goes away, when will a vaccine be ready, what we will do when the second wave comes etc.
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What gives with this SkyNews reporter, constantly advocating for lockdowns in just about ant situation I see her. Cut her salary off, and you'll soon see a complete change of heart. What does she think happens to all the casual workers, some of the lowest paid in society, who work behind the bar, waiting on tables, etc, etc, etc. when their place of employments is forced to shut. They have their VERY meager subsistence level income cut off completely.
We are NOT all in this together, the burden is carried virtually 100% by those least able to afford it. People advocating for shutdowns are either stupid, naive, selfish, of just plain a-holes. Take your pick.
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@MrDokuritsu Lets carefully examine the situation as you outline it. Even if we could accurately measure the global temperature back in 1880 (something I very much doubt) the global temperature increase over the past 140 years is about 1C. That's an increase something like 0.1C per decade (0.01C per year). And even the IPCC admit only about half that temperature increase can be attributed to human greenhouse gasses. So that brings the temperature increase we could theoretically do something about to 0.005C per year. Have people any idea how little 5 thousands of a degree per year actually is? And people not that old claiming they have seen a dramatic increase in fires in their lifetime. Utter nonsense. They are simply suffering what is know in psychology as the 'recency effect'. The recent bad bushfires are NOT worse that bad bushfires of the past. They are just more vivid in people's memory.
Water demand has certainly increased, but not at the expense of taking it away from the landscape in the bushfire affected areas. Yes out of the rivers which is the runoff, but not out of the actual landscape. The ground moisture is determined by what comes down in rain, what the trees use, and what evaporates away. The tiny temperature increases have not increased evaporation (in fact if these is a trend its decreasing evaporation). Factors such as sun strength, wind, humidity etc are much more important drivers of evaporation.
Increasing population is an environmental problem, and one that will increase the likelihood of bushfires because of the greater interaction of people and the environment. So curb (completely stop) population growth, 100% agree with that. But I don't see anyone advocating reducing population as a response to the bushfires.
Yes, I agree on taking action. Actions based upon scientific facts, and actions that will have the largest benefit (both in environmental AND economic terms). Just sending Australia back to the stone age by de-industrializing it will achieve neither. In fact it will make the country MORE vulnerable to whatever the future holds as we'll lack the resources to appropriate adjust and respond. In the dark ages we used to scarify virgins to the gods in order to appease them. Closing a few coalfired power stations in Australia as a knee jerk reaction to the recent bushfires is about the same in intellectually terms, and will have about the same effect.
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@MrDokuritsu Sorry you sound like a classic inner city woke intellectual, probably work for the government in one form or another, looking down on farmers and miners, businesses and people producing things critical to peoples existence. Seemingly unaware of the importance to both the nation and global economy of our top export earners like iron ore, coal, natural gas, beef and cereals. Businesses that are some of the most efficient producers of these products in the world. Not hiding behind a wall of tariffs and subsidies like much of their counterparts in the EU. Your idea of worthy companies are to many people nothing more than tax avoiding sleazebags.
P.S. and spare me how clean and wonderful Germany is in relation to CO2 "Germany is the sixth largest consumer of energy in the world,[4] and the largest national market of electricity in Europe. The country is the fifth-largest consumer of oil in the world. Oil consumption accounted for 34.3% of all energy use in 2018, and 23.7% of Germany's energy consumption came from gas.[5]
Germany imports more than half of its energy.[6] The country largely imports its oil from Russia, Norway and the United Kingdom.[7] Germany is also the world's largest importer of natural gas. The largest gas imports come from the Netherlands, Norway, and Russia via the Nord Stream. In 2016, Germany imported 49.8 billion cubic metres (bcm) of gas from Gazprom.[8] A terminal in Emden opened for gas from Norway in 2016.[9]
Because of its rich coal deposits, Germany has a long tradition of using coal. It is the fourth-largest consumer of coal in the world. Domestic coal mining has been almost completely phased out. This is because German coal is a lot more expensive to mine than importing coal from China or Australia." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Germany
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@bonnie7898 At first when I heard the NSW Governments new 'strategy' to redirect Pfizer to the relative young in the 3? problem local government areas, I thought their logic must be that this will slow the spread. Thought that's not going to work i.e. vaccinated still pass it on, the percentage coverage they can achieve, and the time to achieve that coverage.
But after today's NSW press conference it became apparent that that wasn't their logic. It's even worse. It's no more than an attempt to protect the health system. That's the REAL issue for Sydney, the hospital system is already overloaded, even before covid. And their strategy won't work. The single Pfizer vaccinated crew will still get covid, and still pass it one to the vulnerable, who will still end up in hospital. And they will still have the logical problem of coverage and time, which will take months, while it spreads.
At some point they have to accept their strategy is failing, and just focus on fully vaccinating the vulnerable who want to, with whatever they want, ASAP. THAT is what will reduce the load on the hospital system more than any other strategy.
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@Martin_Priesthood If there has been a 'natural disaster' in some part of the country resulting in failed crops, creating less supply and increased open market prices, then the supermarkets or processors will sometimes offer to take all the uncontracted part of the crop. But they will only buy it if other contracts can't be filled. They are not wholesalers, they only purchase what they can sell in a timely manner to retail customers. Processors who manufacture processed foods eg. frozen, potato chips, etc or are a different matter.
If you don't understand what I mean by 'natural disaster' I mean flood, drought, frost, disease, pests, etc, Events that can wipe out a whole distract or even States crop.
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@garysarela4431 You seriously want to quote the ABC as a reputable souce? That's funny. This is the mob who's chief economics correspondent Emma Alberici 'outed' Qantas for not paying company tax. Duh love, you should have first checked to see if they were actually making a profit at the time. This is high school level business understanding. Had she done the simplest of fact checking she would have discovered Qantas hadn't made a profit (the basis upon which tax is paid) for quite a number of years. That how little the foke at the ABC know about business.
To the article. Oil companies get tax deductions for the costs of exploration. Shock horror, an oil or coal company gets a tax deduction for a legitimate expense related to earning income, just like EVERY other company and individual in the country. LOL!!!
The fuel rebate scheme. Clearly whoever wrote the article is completely clueless as to the reason and operation of this scheme. Let me explain it to you. Some years ago the Federal Government needed extra money to maintain and upgrade the national roads. So they imposed a surcharge (a tax, currently 41.6 cents a liter) on diesel fuel, on the logic heavy trucks do the most damage to the roads. It is paid as part of the purchase price on ALL diesel no matter its final use. But farmers, mining companies, fishing boats, or any business who uses diesel not on the road complained why should they pay the surcharge, their off road use is not damaging the roads. And the government agreed. So once a quarter? people who use diesel fuel for off-road business activities e.g mining, submit a statement claiming back the surcharge tax they have already paid. It is not a tax break or subsidy, it is a refund of taxes already paid when the tax doesn't apply. Got it?
You really must stop reading these trashy sources who peddle complete FAKE NEWS. If you start by not believing anything you read or hear on the ABC you'll be off to a reasonable start.
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@macca2342 Again, your showing your failure to be objective, nit picking a word I used. I could have said 'excessive', I could have said 'brutal', wouldn't change the facts one bit.
Regarding your comparison of a drunk driver killing a total innocent driver to that of whether a police offer used excessive force to restrain a clearly struggling person while being arrested for a crime, and not only was that excessive force the significant factor in that persons death, the police office should have reasonably know it could result in that person's death. Such a comparison is just a total nonsense.
As I said repeatably, I think the police office will be found guilty. It's impossible he'll get a fair trial under the circumstances. You have judged him guilty without even hearing the defense case, medical evidence, or video footage of the struggle. That a witness under oath has testified he was telling George to stop fighting and get in the police car is quite a revealing piece of evidence.
Do not loose sight that the rule of law for a criminal crime, as distinct to mob justice, requires the prosecutor to prove their cases 'beyond reasonable doubt'.
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@macca2342 Yes, I've watch most of the video footage available. Something I think you haven't. What I saw was police being very courteous and professional, up until the point that a drug affected George decides to commit another crime, resisting arrest is a crime, and the police are then forced by George to use force to restrain him.
The whole case should hinge on did the officer who had no other option than to restrain a violent offender, knowingly use a tactic that a 'reasonable man' should know could possibly result in killing that person. So far my understanding is George die of a heart attack. I suggest you don't know the answer to that complex question with any more certainty than I do, hence 'reasonable doubt'.
Personally I'd like to see a return to 'the good old day', when people respected the police, if not with a little fear knowing they'd get a smack in the ear for screaming obscenities in their face. When I was a kid, if I'd struggled when being arrested, a smack over the head with a police baton is what I would have expected.
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@macca2342 Well I'll finish on one tip for you. Stop taking notice of "what most people think". Most people are intellectual lightweights, too lazy to think for themselves, and possess zero critical thinking ability. They simply regurgitate what someone else told them, in this day most likely someone on social media or the biased agenda driven MSM, without taking the time or effort to consider the many sides of an issue. And every issue as many sides, virtually nothing in this world is 'black or white'. It's full of 'grays'.
Consider all the facts, from both sides perspective. That is what I've done, and come to the conclusion I have, based upon the facts. I don't believe the policeman intended to kill George Floyd, nor thought his action would result in him dying. George Floyd was a person of very poor health, and his decision to resist arrest resulted in a struggle, and ultimately his death from a heart attack. The policeman has used excessive force to subdue the offender (which warrants disciplinary action, were he to still be in the force), but the medical facts are this is not what caused him to die. His state of health, body hyped up on drugs, and the stress of the struggle which George Floyd initiated is what caused his death. These are the FACTS.
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Gee, when I was young and you went to a fruit shop in winter you had a choice of peas, beans, potatoes, carrots, apples, oranges, and pumpkin. THAT was it, and people got by just fine. Now its supposedly a major drama if cherries, strawberries, watermelon, etc, etc, etc, etc, aren't available on any given day 365 days a year. Oh hasn't life become so tough, how will we all survive?
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@phorn100 You've written a long post, so just picking some random points .....
The police have had the CCTV footage for the past 2 years. That was one of her complaints, that the police weren't allowing her to view it.
We really don't know the circumstance behind why she went with the guy to the Ministers office, and for it to end up in a sexual encounter. Certainly there are people who get a kick out of having sex on the bosses desk, or couch. Not saying that was the case, but it is a possibility.
We don't know anything about the other person. The biased media has done a hit job on him, but that doesn't make it a fact.
What I think happened is that she got into trouble for being in the room and the state she was in (they had to steam clean the room, so obviously she was vomiting). During the course of trying to explain the night, someone interviewing her has pointed out that being so drunk she was unable to give consent, so this technically was rape and she should go to the police. She does that, but isn't really keen on the idea so doesn't pursue the matter. Two years pass and she no longer wants to work for the government, and thinks what else can I make a buck out off. Looking around see see's others (won't name her but you can probably easily guess) building a career out of being a victim. So off she goes to the media with her story, and the rest is as they say, is now history.
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@TB1M1 And I can quote studies that will show 14% of New York state have antibodies, and 20% for the city of New York. I've heard as high as 30% for New York quoted. So do I believe one place could have only 5% while another has 20%, no, something isn't consistent.
BUT.... even if i take the 5% number, for Spain's population that works out to be a death rate of 1%. Now its well documented just how decimated the aged care sector in Spain was. It was as if there were effectively zero infection controls. Dead people were left to lie in their beds when the aged care workers abandoned their workplaces and the army had to be sent in clean up the mess. THAT is the reason for a 1% death rate, not because Covid-19 randomly kills 1 in every 100 people in a country. With proper controls in place over vulnerable population, countries with good public health departments can reduce that 1% to just a fraction of it. 0.09% in the case of a county with a very strict government like Singapore.
Around 500,000 UK residents live in aged care facilities. Imagine what the death toll would be if you let a new strain of Influenza just run uncontrolled through that vulnerable population. Well that seem to have had a good go at it with Covid-19 With Influenza they'd be thinking they got away lightly if 'only' 37,000 people died. It was the failure of the UK's NHS system that again was responsible for its death rate. New Yor,k, New Jersey, etc, etc, ..... all the same reason.
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@marigold6920 Not a single drop of "Graphene Oxide" in Pfizer......
The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine includes the following ingredients: mRNA, lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassiumphosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose.
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@gawdsuniverse3282 Yep understood where your were coming from in relation to Influenza. While I don't recall what Drenai Sage actually commented, and you're certainly correct in relation to Influenza, the idea that a poorly tested Covid-19 vaccine could 'lower your immune system' isn't actually a silly idea. That's why I commented, so people might realize why finding a vaccine is, has to be, a slow methodical process. Certainly not something to be just cranked out in 6 months.
The concept known as antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) which Drenai has probably been told is a trait of an Influenza vaccine, which is incorrect, is most certainly something that researchers have to evaluate for a Covit-19 vaccine. And that takes time. When a vaccine has an ADE trait the bodies antibodies actually allow a virus to more easily enter a cell. Hence the 'enhancement' bit in the name. The other potential problem 'Th2 immunopathology' is the bodies immune system not only trying to attack the introduced vaccine, but attack other health parts of the body.
My point, don't think some magic bullet vaccine is just on the horizon. It will, has to, take a lot of time. Contrary to all the media spin, it's a distinct possibility one won't be found in a suitable time-frame.
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@chrismay2298 Could be any number of countries directly or indirectly, responsible. My bet is actually China. They have the means, they have the 'balls', they have the motivation (destroy the wests industry), they have the track record of these war type antics e.g. corvid, climate change extremism, etc.
My reason for not having the US on the top of the list is because I don't believe Biden could organise tying his shoe laces, let alone something like this. And, the global political repercussions would be MASSIVE, and permanent, if it was the US and this fact comes out, as it inevitably would. I doubt even Biden is that stupid to actually pull a stunt like this.
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@Neil-yg5gm Your not 'listening'. Now listen carefully, again. Using ATO reported income as a GUIDE to see if someone may be ripping off the system was not the idea of a politician, and IS likely a useful tool if used correctly by investigators, as part of a broader approach. BUT .... it was the politicians in 2016 that took a useful analytical tool, and turned it into a complete system of its own, which was a really bad idea. It was turned into a fully automated system, mass mailing out letters to people, based on a highly questionable calculation, saying in effect to vulnerable and perhaps not the 'sharpest tools in the shed' .... "you own us this much unless YOU can prove otherwise". And to make matters even worse, as you can't prove it quickly we have passed to the debt over to an outsource debt collection agency staffed by people who can hardly speak English. And don't ask them anything about the debt when they call every week, because they can't help you. They just tell you if you have any question go back to sitting for HOURS waiting in a call center telephone queue. I must have spent possibly 40?? hours sitting in those queues if I add up it up. I NEVER got to actually speak to anyone, hence giving up and always going to the local Centerlink office, and basically refusing being told no one hear to help, ring the call center. If you were polite but forceful and held your ground, you did eventually get to see someone, and they were always helpful.
You have to experienced it to properly appreciate what a disaster the whole thing was. A disaster from an idea, its execution, support, collection ..... everything.
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@black-redpill2614 What utter nonsense. I can name dozens of western highly developed countries who proudly identify as a 'democracy'. None of them have had slavery, institutionalised civil rights abuses, McCarthyism, detention without trial, institutionalised interference in the election process, routine mob violence and complete breakdown of law and order, a failure to protect citizens, routinely waged wars or interfered in the affairs of other sovereign states, etc, etc, etc, ..... on a level as your supposedly 'superior' so called republic.
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@heartofpuregold What tax Kerry Packer paid is TOTALLY irrelevant to a discussion on superannuation. He would have had his wealth tied up in a VAST arrange of company structures, trusts, overseas operations, etc, etc, managed by the best tax accounting firms in the country. I doubt he would have even had a superannuation fund.
Sorry to disappoint you, but it IS the high income earners who pay the VAST majority of income tax. Nearly 50% of all income tax is paid by the top 10% of income earners. That is an indisputable FACT! Low income earners, after tax rebates and other government 'handouts' effectively pay little to no income tax. High salary earners carry low to middle income earns on their backs, tax wise.
If you think all 'pensioners' are battlers you are sadly mistaken. I personally know one who lives in a $5 million water front house. Another is a ex government employee on a defined benefits scheme (73% of a generous final salary), and still receives a 'part' pension e.g. free medical, car rego, reduced home rates, etc, etc, etc.
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@guyincognito6430 About the best source I could quickly to find to answer your question. Less than what you's base a PhD on but seems to say current hospitalizations are about the same in most countries as before the peak Winter season. https://ourworldindata.org/covid-hospitalizations.
It was only last week I was watching an infectious diseases professor saying that currently hospitalization rates in the US for covid are at this time actually less than what is normal for Influenza in a 'quiet' year. That would be the really insightful metric, tracking over time the number of hospitalization for Influenza v Covid.
But, a couple examples why statistics can't be trusted ..... Around 100,000 people die each year in England where Influenza is mentioned on the death certificate (not to be confused with 'cause of death, that's something like 36,000 of the 100,000). Under the exact same circumstances for covid they would be counted as a covid death, no matter what they actually died from.
Singapore has now had over 61,000 reported covid cases, with 31 people reported as dying (and I've worked in Singapore, the government there doesn't fudge or shortcut ANYTHING. Most anal in the world).
Point being I think it prudent take any and all covid 'statistics' with a grain of salt.
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Yep, as equally impressive as Malaysia, Ukraine, Columbia, Argentina, Tunisia, Latvia, Lebanon, Uruguay, and Bolivia. But not as good as Russia, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand, or South Africa ..... like me to go on?
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@After_Pasta What the 'Voice' is being sold as (not its true political intention) is IDENTICAL to current process. Who in the government is 'the Voice' going to work though? Correct, the Minister for Indigenous Australians. What you think they can do whatever they want, wander around parliament house or onto the floor of parliament or cabinet room sticking their nose in anytime it pleases them? That's utter nonsense.
So they work though and report to the Minister, EXACTLY as the National Indigenous Australian Agency (NIAA) does today. The NIAA's responsibilities, in legislation, include the EXACT same responsibilities as this proposed 'voice' i.e. "to provide advice to the Prime Minister and the Minister for Indigenous Australians on whole-of-government priorities for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples".
The NIAA already consults widely with aboriginal people through its extensive office network and people on the ground. FFS, it has 1300 employees, 50 offices around Australia including ALL the trouble spots of Alice Springs, Ceduna, Tennant Creek, Darwin.
The 'voice' won't improve representation for remote aboriginal people one bit. Not one. It is nothing other than an attempt to entrench an unelected hard left-wing third chamber of parliament into the democratic process of Australia. THAT is its sole purpose.
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@icantcook9998 Your just talking nonsense. Australia or Europe is NOT corrupt Japan or Russia. France, the UK, USA, Sweden etc etc have operated nuclear power plants for decades without major incident. Nuclear currently supplies 11% of the worlds electricity. China currently has 49 reactors, and another 11 currently under construction. The whole European interconnected grid is supported by nuclear, and is the only reason for European 'renewables' being viable.
There is no nuclear waste problem. The amount of truly dangerous waste generated is relatively small (most is what is called low level, and is no more that gloves, overalls and the 'consumables' used in day to day tasks that you can't just throw in a landfill). The technology the small amount of dangerous stuff (deep geological repositories) is well proven, perfectly safe, and working well in places like Finland, Sweden, France, and the USA.
P.S. I fully recognize you're a close minded idiot, and nothing I write will have the slightest impression. I'm just amusing myself.
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@bigbaytree That's the key point, we should whatever is economically, socially, and technology viable. The simple indisputable fact is despite what the left wing greens movement claim, the Australian economy can't be run solely on renewables. Not now, nor anytime in the foreseeable future. It requires base load power that only coal, gas, nuclear, or hydro can provide. The greens movement opposes all 4 options. The public schools, hospitals, arts funding, etc, etc that the left wing greens so cherish is dependent on coal royalties to prop up State budgets. Whole working class communities rely on coal for a living, the alternative is unemployment or at beast become an Uber driver. It is a highly complex debate, far more complete then simpletons like Greta Thunberg could every understand.
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@olly-4674 And you point is???? Murdoch does NOT own Channel 9, which you state in your original comment. The VAST majority of MSM in Australia is NOT owned by Rupert Murdoch. In Australia he owns 26% of newspaper mastheads, no free to air TV station, and 1 subscription station i.e. SkyNews. The VAST majority of newspapers and TV stations in Australia are hard core left-wing biased e.g ABC, Channel 7/9/10, SBS, Sydney Morning Herald, The Age, Financial Review, etc, etc, etc.
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@buildmotosykletist1987 My industry super fund massively outperforms on an 'income' available basis compared to if I personally had that same investment in real-estate. It's 'balanced' fund over the past 12 months has returned 22% as at end of April. That is 22% of return I could draw down from monthly without affecting the principal (yes I know inflation would be eating away at if I did spend it all). What would have been the net rental income if I'd put the same amount into real-estate? No more than 5% (you can't go out to a restaurant and pay for the bill with capital gain) .
These days, after trying different approaches, I don't really have best performing asset. All I do now is routinely assess the economic climate, and proportion my super funds between the various 'marco' investments classes on offer (growth, balanced, cash, Australian Shares, non listed assets, etc, etc, etc,) to reflect the future risk/return as I see it.
Whenever the share-market crashes I'll consider buying some bank shares to hold long-term purely for the fully franked dividend, and pay zero attention to any share price movements from the second I've bought them.
Just monitor, make some 'macro' class adjustments if considered prudent once or twice a year. Pick up a few bank shares when prices are bargain basement. No stress, go fishing, works for me.
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@alvinjohnson773 Just stick to the undeniable facts. Joe Biden does not have the mental and physical capacity to perform the role of POTUS today, let alone in 6 moths, 1 year, 3 years time. Oh! he may be able to perform the character from a 'Week-end at Bernies' for pure theatrics, rolled out occasionally to read a pre-written speech, but that will be about it.
Why is this critically important? Because without clear, strong, and decisive leadership the 'swamp' and minor players will engage in endless turf wars to try and gain an advantage over each other in the power vacuum. Each fighting to dominate and push their agenda. And that's all you get. Internal battles going nowhere. This happens in ANY organisation in the absence of a strong decisive leader keeping everyone on track. Doesn't matter if its a large organisation, small, corporate, public utility, government. Even the local soccer club.
"A camel is a horse designed by a committee"
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@MrRecrute No, the BOM would not note that SE Australia has a well established 40 year cyclical rainfall pattern. That would destroy the extremist narrative. And they don't note the exact same thing when commenting on Melbourne either.
But before I supply the link so you can see for yourself what actually is happening with rainfall over the past 140 years, read this. Published as recent as December 2019 by supposedly Australia's preeminent climate scientist Professor Andy Pitman ...https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab545c/pdf Just read the abstract and take note of the following ......"Using long-term high quality regional-scale
observations of temperature, precipitation and pan evaporation (a measure of atmospheric evaporative demand), we find that despite highly significant increases in temperature that are nonstationary, few regions of Australia have experienced annual or seasonal changes in precipitation or pan evaporation that are outside the range of observed variability over the last century. Despite a common assumption of increasing water demand under a warming climate, atmospheric evaporative demand (as measured by pan evaporation) largely remains unchanged. This is because evaporative demand depends strongly on factors other than temperature. Similarly, seasonal and annual precipitation over the last century is found to be stationary in most (but not all)regions. These findings suggest that the Australian precipitation has largely remained within the bounds of observed variability to date"
If you want to know what SE Australia is doing, check out Table 1 on page 4. Commentary on Table 1 is ""Table 1 further summarises the precipitation trends and their significance levels. None of the 30 regional
time series show both statistically significant lag-1 autocorrelation and linear trend, suggesting that annual and seasonal precipitation can be considered
stationary in all climatological regions"
The moral of the story is you should start reading any BOM publication with an assumption just about everything is distorted, cherry-picked, etc,
Still want to validate the accuracy of BOM statements? The BOM website to analyse rainfall in any town (pick one or several towns in your region of interest) is http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/data/ Many, especially old post office sites have rainfall records going back to the 1880's. Select your rainfall by "month". Your will see the rainfall records available for that site in the small graphical screen near the bottom of the page. Select sites with unbroken records from pre 1900. In the upper right hand corner of the results screen you will see a hyperlink saying "select all years". One of the two downloaded files will give you all monthly records by year in Excel format. Add an additional column for a 10 year moving average to the data (to smooth out all the massive year by year variances) and then graph it. Your now have a real nice graph for the real rainfall trend for the past 140 years, along with all the cyclical ups and downs that represent the Australia climate. Don't be surprised if you find the graph line just swinging up and down in typically 20-40 year cycles between a pretty consistent range for the past 140 years. Exactly like Professor Andy Pitman's study told you was the case.
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@MrRecrute The point being made, was the independence and objectivity of the academic world. Professor Peter Ridd is a HIGHLY qualified expert on the Great Barrier Reef. The GBR and surrounding marine environments ARE his field of study for the past 35 years. He has produced literally 100's of published study on the subject over these years. Judith Curry's academic credentials are indisputable and need no explanation.
Yes no doubt you read Peter Ridd was not qualified to comment on the GBR. That was just one of the many false slurs aimed against him. All because as a marine scientist he wasn't 'collegiate'. What does that mean? Disagreeing with his colleagues that the reef was on the edge of extinction, exposing major flaws in studies, exposing published so called peer review studies as having no scientific basis whatsoever, just totally made up. He is VERY critical of the 'peer review' process.
What both Peter Ridd and Judith Curry have in common is they are critical and outspoken on the current level of 'science' in their fields of expertise. For this crime both had been forced out of the academic world for not 'playing the game'. The 'establishment' has tried to trash their reputations by any and all means possible. Both are classified as climate 'deniers'. For what? Simply having the integrity to not conform to the required narrative, to challenge it as scientists, and present alternative explanations. The very basis of what good science should be about. Don't for a second think that climate change science is built on objective, independent, and unbiased inquiry. Anything but. Powerful forces will try and destroy anyone who doesn't toe the required line. This has been happening for 30 years at least, evidenced by the emails that surfaced during the 'Climategate' scandal. A science publication just daring to publish a study with a diverging view was enough to try to get it 'blacklisted' by Michael Mann.
Don't get me started on the political driven, biased, and tightly controlled 'old boy club' organisation that is the IPCC
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For anyone who still naively thinks 'the voice' is still some modest proposal as spun by Albanese, try getting your head around the following cut/paste directly from the voice co design model by Marcia Langdon, page 31. This WILL be the model adopted ......
"Decisions at the local and regional level also concern local governments. While the co-design process itself has been driven at the Australian Government level, to be effective, all Local & Regional Voice arrangements will require engagement and partnership from across all tiers of government."
"It is estimated that the vast majority of expenditure on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples/affairs comes from mainstream programs. This means all government portfolios and agencies need to be included in these arrangements, not just those specifically targeted to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples."
Bottom Line: EVERY aspect of government (local, state, federal, and every statutory body) will have EVERY program they operate, or are planning, subject to review and oversight by the self-appointed (there are no elections) members of 'the voice'.
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@j2simpso Taking main point from your comment ...... Not correct to say Covid-19 has killed many young people. It has killed a VERY small number globally. It's not a 'crap shoot' what your outcome will be. 98% of people who died in New York had one comorbidity, 80% had two or more comorbidities. The WHO has just recently report approximately 50% of all European deaths were in aged care homes. And this is likely to be in the high dependency section. A person is only in a high dependency section of an aged care home because they are already dying. The majority of fit healthy people who get the virus probably won't even know they had it.
Quite a bit of research went into a vaccine for SARS without result. And the reason it was discontinued is an important point in relation to Covid-19. SARS was able to be eradicated with a contact tracing strategy because it was so deadly. That was actually its greatest weakness. It made a person very sick, very quickly, and immobilized them before they were able to spread the virus. As such the spread was VERY slow. For this reason relatively few people caught SARS, so it was easy to identify and isolate infected people. Covid-19 is the complete opposite, highly infectious but spread by people who may not even know they are sick. I believe the experts who say the strategies used to deal with SARS i.e. contact tracing, will failure for Covid-19 for the same reason they don't work on Influenza. The resources to do the task simply can't operate fast enough to be effective. A vaccine is a false promise, and 'contract tracing' is likely to be another. The experts know this, but for some reason are constantly putting out false hopes. There is clearly a silent agenda running.
What we need are strategies to learn to live with Covid-19 as a routine virus that will circulate around the world forever as part of the annual Influenza season, just like we have with the Hong Kong flu of 1968 that killed an estimated 100,000 people in the USA, and over 1 million people globally. That was such a 'no big deal' commentators at present seem to not even know it happened.
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@treclucker5153 I have a mate who is quite religious and over a few beers, against my better normal sober judgement, the conversation often turns to religion (he worries I'm going to burn in eternity). So I routinely research to counter his points etc.
I honestly don't believe there is malice in Israel's original statements. As you'll know from your Christian school days, they see it as a obligation to covert us 'heathens'. It is done out of care and concern, not hatred. Might be misplaced, or pointless, but still their 'hearts are in the right place'.
Even from a Christian point of view, many recent Christian scholars have moved away from the concept of 'hell'. There is no real reference to it in either the Old or New Testaments, it is a man created thing. Hades as used in the Bible does not mean 'hell'. It is an old Hebrew? word meaning the 'resting place of souls'. But the main reason that scholars have moved away from these ideas is because these concepts are completely inconsistent with the idea of a loving, forgiving, merciful god. A gay person, who devotes his whole life to the service of others less fortunate is going to be made to burn in eternal hell by 'god', yet some selfish scumbag who just believes in 'god' is ok .... see how flawed this idea is.
So Israel's 'fire and brimstone' message should be seem for what is, and no more. Just a very narrow, perhaps wrong, interpretation of his religion by a footballer and of next to zero consequence to society. Offence can't be given, only taken. People should treat his comments for what they are worth, nothing.
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@CJ Barnes There is not a single "true word" of your god in the bible. It is a collecting of tales and fables meant for uneducated peasants, passed by word of mouth for hundreds, in some cases thousands of years, till someone wanting to covey a narrative took the story (now likely having little resemblance to the original i.e. Chinese Whispers), perhaps just made one up, and wrote it down. This writing has then been altered over the next few hundred years, deliberately in some cases by church hierarchy, and subtly being altered in the many hand written copies and language translations. Things like the Book of John, no one knows who even wrote it.
The man called Jesus (who NEVER claimed to be god or the son of god) never wrote anything down, or at least none have have ever been discovered, and all his close followers were illiterate. The modern Christian church is based on the writings of Paul (though no originals survive), who never met the man called Jesus of Nazareth and was rejected by Jesus's disciples as a false prophet. His only contact was a couple of weeks spent with Peter and James (Galatians 1:18-19) when Paul briefly visited Jerusalem. They basically told him to go elsewhere and not bother them again.
P.S. You really think the Old Testament directive to not eat the meat of the lowly pig came from god, or was just an appropriate public health directive for its time.
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@DAsAngel1960 Certainly idiots, and perhaps not smart enough to actually be "tyrants".
Anyone with any intelligence would have achieved a negotiated settlement by now, perhaps not getting everything they want, but the majority of it. That's politics, no one ever gets EXACTLY want they want all the time. Politics is compromise, marriage/friendships are a compromise, life is a compromise. Anyone who doesn't understand this by the age of adulthood is going to have a VERY miserable and lonely life.
I watched Hannity on FoxNews interview the relatively young woman who is one of the 20 holdouts. A naive, immature, and self-centered person was my impression. Just a right-wing version of AOC, same attitudes and intelligence, just a different song book.
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darkheart72 How many young people have died? And just how do you know they were 'healthy', you saw the autopsy reports? The majority of elderly people who get Covit-19 don't die, they recover. Ninety year olds in nursing homes recover. The very fact a young person dies means they weren't healthy. If they'd been truly healthy they wouldn't have die. Simple.
As at 14 March New York City Health reported that only 137 of the 6840 people who had died had "No Underlying Conditions". In the list of what constitutes an Underlying Condition, obesity is NOT included. Obesity is one of the principal reasons people die from Covid-19.
This line you seem to want to promote that Covid-19 "doesn't discriminate" is total utter nonsense, seemingly a total smoke screen to hide the true public health crises. Covid-19 is no more than a pretty minor bug that is shining a MASSIVE light on the true public health crises. And that crises is the extreme poor health of the population, caused by poor lifestyle choices. Smoking, obesity, living on junk food, lack of exercise, and the associated diseases of diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and hypertension is what is killing people. The solution isn't a vaccine (should the unlikely event one be found), that's a band-aid fix, at best good till the next mild bug arrives.
The proper fix is a MASSIVE improvement in public health though significant lifestyle changes. Everything else is pretty much BS. Lifestyle changes don't make money for the medical profession, they actually loose money because people no longer need to see doctors. Who's currently running the show at the moment? Doctors!
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@brett22bt "Yes they do what, who"????? Are you suggesting you can read and understand an academic study better than me, when you know NOTHING whatsoever about my education level or background. Please believe me when I say I wouldn't be so presumptuous or seemingly arrogant as to believe the reverse.
From your vague answer I'm taking it you correctly acknowledge that it is now widely accepted that the global warming that occurred from 1880 to around 1940, before declining gradually till around 1970 (despite CO2 continuing to increase) was primarily (possibly all) due to natural variation, and scientists can't explain the actual drivers beside some unproven theories.
The key point is that the popular climate extremist narrative of global warming from the 'Industrial Revolution' till today is all due to AGW is totally FAKE NEWS. Even the IPCC hides this major shift in the story in weasel words like MOST AGW over the last 50 years. Most means something just over half. It they thought it was nearly all, they would say NEARLY ALL. They don't, its MOST. Put it all together, and AGW may be responsible for probably half, and the other half is due to natural variation (its ridiculous to think it just suddenly packed up and went on holidays) which science doesn't really understand.
Brilliant basis upon which to build 100, 200 year projections, and make solid policy decisions. And the current approaches WILL NOT WORK. Ridiculous to even think they will as global population is forecast to double over the next 60 years, China endlessly building coal fired plants, and a couple billion Chinese and Indians rise out of poverty (which they have every right to do). Oh! nearly forgot, the science is settled .... LOL!
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Rita, good job raising the awareness of obesity as perhaps the biggest risk factor for a bad covid experience. This has been known since virtually day one in Wuhan when Chinese doctors noticed the trend.
BUT .... you make some VERY serious health mistakes. You separated obesity FROM comorbidities. Show me an obese person and I'll show you someone with Type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, kidney disease, etc. While the medical establishment may not classify obesity as an illness, in practical terms the person is VERY sick. And you say diseases like cancer, dementia, kidney disease "can't be helped". Not true. A person who lives on McDonalds and Coke, smokes cigarettes, drinks excessively is just a walking cancer, dementia, and kidney and liver disease. Sure a perfectly health person can get cancer, but the odds are MASSIVELY increased by lifestyle factors e.g. poor diet, lack of exercise.
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@vinaigrettewigglesworth5910 So you continue to fail to put up any facts, and just continue to sprout your OPINION, doing EXACTLY the same thing you criticize Fox and Sky for doing.
The bottom line is you simply don't like any media organization that expresses options or facts which differ to your beliefs. The answer is simple, don't watch them, don't go on their platforms to comment (as you are doing here), go to CNN and write positive comments on their videos (oh! that's right, they don't even allow public comments).
There isn't enough media diversity, which makes people dumb, narrow minded, and ill informed. All power to Sky and Fox for presenting a different perspective to the highly contrived and biased narrative continually pushed by the predominately left wing media, which it seems is all you want to allow.
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@lindam61 You just forgot to mention that Zlochevsky, the owner of Burisma, was being investigated for money-laundering, corruption, embezzlement of public money, and tax evasion. In a country like Ukraine, where armed protection is just a way of life, that's a gangster. The Serious Fraud Squad of the UK were investigating Zlochevsky for money laundering.
Hunter Biden, a drug addict kicked out of the navy "was hired to make the company look better". That's laughable. He was hired sole because his father was Vice President and the access it would allow. No other reason, don't insult people's intelligence.
No politician of any integrity or care about their reputation would allow a member of their immediate family, even extended family, to go work for a criminal in that part of the world when they were themselves in negotiation with the government of very same country over billions of dollars of loans and concerns of corruption. NONE!
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@lachlanscott6673 I reserve my level of empathy for those deserving. If you want to row a small boat across the Pacific Ocean, and heaps of people have told you how stupid and dangerous an idea this is, and you ignore it and head off, only getting out behind the surf before you run into difficulties, don't expect me to jump into the ocean and swim out, putting myself at risk, to help you. I'll just shrunk my shoulders and think to myself, told him so, and go home a sleep like a baby that night.
People have been told for years the serious health risks associated with Obesity. They figured I can't be bothered, takes effort, the medical system we always 'patch me up'. But this time it can't. Tough. You rolled the dice with your health, and lost.
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@lachlanscott6673 SPAIN didn't institute a lock-down, are you serious?? It implement a nation wide lockdown on 14 March which lasted 3 months!!!!. You're also 'splitting hairs, Belgium, Spain, UK, Italy are all around the same death rates as the USA. The USA would have had a FAR better result if it wasn't for the DISASTEROUS Democrate run states of New Jersey, New York, etc. These have the HIGHEST death rates in the WORLD, by a magnitude of 3 times that of the UK.
Far from being a man of science which you have clearly demonstrated time and time again, if you support Joe Biden you are also far from someone who values honesty and integrity. It's beyond me how anyone could vote for a known corrupt politician to hold the highest public office in the land. Influence peddling is corruption. The ONLY uncertainty in that matter is if Joe himself was cutting a cut of his sons and brothers action. That is actually somewhat irreverent as just knowing his son was making a vast fortune from criminals peddling the Biden name when Joe was Vice President and failing to either put an immediate stop to it, or publicly disown his son is corruption of itself. His family was profiting, that's corruption.
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@pwillis1589 I wouldn't take notice of ANYTHING Niki Sava has to say about anyone. She is just a bitter and twisted hack with nothing of value to say.
Of all the Australian PM (current one included) if you were in a life threatening situation and your only option was to be able to call one PM for help (lets assume all are still alive), who would you call? Whitlam, Frazer, Hawke, Keating, Howard, Rudd, Gillard, Turnbull, Morrison, Albanese ...... or Tony Abbott. I don't have any doubt which one it would be.
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@grayshus6706 A bad Influenza kills up to 600,000 people globally a year. The age/health demographic affected is basically identical (over 70 year olds). If there is a significant difference it is that younger people especially children are less affected by Covid-19 than Influenza.
The current recorded death count,as I type, from Covid-19, while highly questionable in either direction, currently stands at 207,265 Roughly 1/3 the annual level of a bad Influenza season (which is only a few months for each hemisphere).
New York is regularly put forward as one of the world's disaster spots. As at 14 of this month only 137 people of the over 6500 people who at died in NY did not have comorbidities. 98% who died had one comorbidity, and 80% had two or more.
We re regularly told about the number of people who die from Covid-19 in aged care homes. Residents in high care in an aged home are more often then not only inches from death at any time. That is why they are there. What the media doesn't report is that the vast majority of these very frail people actually recover from Covit-19. If they can recover, its should be a walk in the part for a healthy person under 60. If it isn't , they aren't healthy. Ebola in an aged care home would kill everyone. Influenza creates havoc ever year in aged care facilities as bad as Covid-19. So often the media generally don't ever bother to report it.
If you aren't familiar with why dark skinned people in cold climates (not how natural evolution designs people) have a significantly greater risk of compromised immune systems I suggest you do some research. There is a reason nature designed dark skinned people for sunny climates, and very fair skinned people for cold. It wasn't just to blend with the surroundings.
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@kingjulian1549 The instant you said "diesel fuel subsidiary" you gave away you know NOTHING about the subject. There is NO 'diesel fuel subsidiary' in Australia, none, zip, nada.
It is called the Diesel Excise Rebate scheme. You do understand the difference between a subsidiary and a rebate? Silly me, of cause you don't. A rebate is a REFUND of tax someone has already paid. Way back when, the government imposed an ADDITIONAL tax on top of the normal fuel excise as a way to generate money to pay for upgrading the National Highways (on the logic heavy vehicles do the most damage). This ADDITIONAL tax is paid by all people who purchase diesel, at the time of purchase. However, some people who purchase diesel rightly pointed out that they don't even use the roads e.g. commercial fishing boats, farm machinery, etc. So once a quarter they submit a claim to the tax office indicating how much diesel they have used off road, and the ADDITIONAL tax they have been charged is returned to them. Got it? Probably not.
You need to actually educate yourself, rather than relying on Twitter etc as your source of 'information'.
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@ianenglish123 We'll have to disagree on this one. I think SkyNews, FoxNews, and The Australian newspaper are FAR more objective than their left wing biased counterparts eg. CNN, the ABC, Nine media. I was watching the BBC this morning giving a so called summary of the George Floyd trial, key facts etc. Had this been the only source of information someone had, they would have been badly missing many key facts. And those omissions were obviously quite deliberate.
Even if you don't agree on the objectivity point, its important that people get a range of views on any contentious subject. There are always multiple angles to any story, and it is important to be aware of them and try to understand them from the other persons perspective. That is perhaps the most important thing I've leaned in 68 years, and that is there is very little 'black and white' in life, only grays. Where you are 'positioned' at any given time can make a world of difference to how you view an issue, with each view just as correct in the eyes of the observer.
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@pratyaya232 I would agree its easy to be wise in hindsight. But Australia has vastly overreacted. There is not a single country in the Southern Hemisphere with the problems of parts of Europe and New York. Even Mexico, right next to the US is currently doing ok for its population size. So the Australia Government should acknowledge they didn't know what to do, so just went full on. But don't as they are currently doing insult the thinking population by trying to say we are ONLY in a good position due to current Government actions, eg. banning fishing or teaching your daughter how to drive. We are in our current situation solely because of Government failures.
If you objectively look at all the problem areas, they are all areas of Government responsibility. It is their failure that has created the problem, be it securing the boarders, ensuring vulnerable parts of the community are protected, hospitals are appropriately equipped for this highly probable event, people returning from overseas are truly isolated, Australia is self sufficient in strategically important industries, etc.etc. . I could go on and on, they are all Government responsibilities and they have failed miserably in the execution of these responsibilities.
As far as herd immunity, it is the ONLY option as the likelihood of a vaccine being found is so low, it isn't even worth considering as a strategy. The only debate is how fast or slow we work toward herd immunity (balancing short term health considerations with longer term health and economic considerations).
There is no evidence that people can become infected a second time. Ever expert I've seen discuss the very small possible number of cases where there is some doubt have put it down to likely faulty testing.
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Jeremy, at least you were honest enough to admit today that covid deaths are people who have died in a time close to a positive PCR test result. As you say, keeps things "simple". Would have been nice if you would have stated that 'time', but in the absence of such important information I'll assume it's withing 28 days, same as the UK.
Using that same criteria for Influenza, would it be reasonable to say that the average 4,000 annual deaths in Australia from Influenza and its associated pneumonia would be something like about 12,000 (using the same ratio as the UK, they do report when influenza is just noted on the death certificate by not the actual cause of death). Divide that by 3 to arrive at a NSW figure based on population size for NSW gives around 4,000 people a year, That's around 11 people a day would be recorded as dying in NSW each and every day from Influenza if the same 28 day no matter the actual cause standard was utilized. Sound about right Jeremy?
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@yggdrasil9039 YOU made the claim that specific events are directly caused by climate change. Your exact words ... "The longevity and intensity of fires is nothing like in the last 150 years of records. No fire ever burned for 5 months as it did in 2019-20. And the floods are occurring at much more extreme levels, otherwise why would people have built houses there in the 1950s?"
You have ZERO evidence to support such stupid claims. In doing so you are actually claiming the IPCC is wrong. They are absolutely clear that at this point in time there is no increase in hurricanes/cyclones, no increase in wildfires, no change in rainfall patterns, etc, etc.
You clearly know nothing about the subject. Fires burned for 5 months??? Are you serious, from early spring through to early autumn the East Coast is burning somewhere, EVERY YEAR. The only difference is some years are worse that other, due to factors such as Australia's propensity to drought. Draught is caused by changes in ENSO and the IOD, neither a result of 'climate change'. The loss from fires is increasing ..... because more and more houses are being built in the bush.
And you know why houses were built on the river banks years ago, because that's where the town is e.g. Lismore, Wardell, Coraki, etc. Why did they build these towns on the river? Because there were no roads and everything came in and went out via the river by coastal steamers to Sydney. You think they spent all that money building the break walls on the mouth of all the north coast rives so fishermen could motor in/out. These rivers have been flooding since the beginning of time, fed by tropical lows that park themselves out from Byron Bay. There is a reason the areas is called the Northern Rivers.
My suggestion, actually put a bit of effort in and learn something about the subject rather than just regurgitating the nonsense you read on Twitter or some other equally frivolous activist source.
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These people are hopeless. Thinking diverting Pfizer from high risk to low risk people on the logic it will significant slow the spread of covid is utter NONSENSE. Not only nonsense, irresponsible and the complete opposite of what should be done.
The UK has now nearly 90% of people with one jab, something like 50% with two jabs, yet the number of cases of Delta has rising just as fast and to nearly the same levels as their pre Christmas Alpha spike, when vaccination rates were near zero.
We now know fully vaccinated people catch covid, and can spread it people also fully vaccinated. Even if spread is slightly reduced, it isn't enough to make a difference as born out by the UK experience. Even if it made a massive difference, it will take months to get the number of people fully vaccinated to make a material difference.
What the data supports is that vaccines are effective at reducing serious disease and death. As such the strategy should be the complete OPPOSITE. Accept its likely hear to stay, so DELAY vaccinating health low risk young people, and put all effort into fully vaccinating the high risk groups, especially in the problem areas.
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@Joe Shabidu Not sure were you are going with your reference to Section 62 of the NSW Public Health Act .... but the most relevant bit to today's announcement is Part 2, Section 7......
7 Power to deal with public health risks generally(cf 1991 Act, s 5)
(1) This section applies if the Minister considers on reasonable grounds that a situation has arisen that is, or is likely to be, a risk to public health.
(2) In those circumstances, the Minister—
(a) may take such action, and
(b) may by order give such directions, as the Minister considers necessary to deal with the risk and its possible consequences.
(3) Without limiting subsection (2), an order may declare any part of the State to be a public health risk area and, in that event, may contain such directions as the Minister considers necessary—
(a) to reduce or remove any risk to public health in the area, and
(b) to segregate or isolate inhabitants of the area, and
(c) to prevent, or conditionally permit, access to the area.
(4) An order must be published in the Gazette as soon as practicable after it is made, but failure to do so does not invalidate the order.
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@macca2342 You may be correct, but you do so at your peril. The greatest mistake a General can make is to UNDERESTIMATE his enemy. Remember, the people controlling the global narrative on covid, climate change, gender fluidity, etc, etc, etc are capable of bringing down elected governments and 'cancelling' a US President, same regarding Australian elected politicians e.g. Craig Kelly, getting globally recognized medical and science experts 'de-platformed' ..... and so on and so on. They control governments, the media, the UN, global corporations, academia.
You really think they aren't capable of taking out an upstart (in their eyes) tennis player who isn't following the prescribed playbook, no matter how well he plays the game.
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@backseatgaming9087 No, I don't underestimate the influence of the Labor left. That's why they will continue to languish in Opposition. These people do not understand the excellent saying "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good". They are not prepared to compromise what they see as their 'perfect' solutions e.g radical climate 'emergency' response, which is totally out of touch with 'blue-collars' workers aspirations and priorities. These people want jobs and security for their family.
I spend quite a bit of time in Joel Fitzgibbons electorate area. The whole place is supported by coal. Electricity generation, local infrastructure, the 'cafe culture' of Newcastle, construction, engineering, a thriving area extending way West, everything....... depends on coal. Other aspects of the economy like the wineries, military, etc are just icing on the cake.
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@Brett.Crealy-kh1sk Don't disagree in principal with what you've said. But people pushing the narrative that in a few weeks, months, whatever, life will just somehow return to normal, even better than before, are either naive or deliberately lying. Some people won't even make it to the end, and I'm not talking about because of virus infection. Some will slip into substance abuse, depression, and ultimately take their own lives. This is simply what happens in years of high long-term unemployment, fact. And will the ultimate sacrifice this person who worked in a beauty parlor that had the highest hygiene standards, spread not a single virus and was never going to, but now it and large sections of the whole industry no longer exists as the owners has gone bankrupt and lost their homes and marriages be worth it? To 'protect' the 'vulnerable' meaning mostly people suffering the consequence of their own poor life style choices (not all I full admit)? I for one don't think so. That doesn't mean other more targeted way more effective, but way less damaging on the innocent, strategies should be ignored.
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@jimmycook872 I spend my who life in senior positions working for Australia, British. German, Swiss, and US Companies. Trust me, Australian business does NOT have the money, management ability, risk appetite, or vision to undertake major resource projects. FFS, the North West Shelf LNG project cost in the vicinity of $34 BILLION. Australian companies like Ampol can't even afford to maintain an aging oil refinery.
What Australian company is out dominating the world? No shortage of overseas companies picking over the bones of the near dead Australian industry. FFS, even something as dull as concrete is predominately owned by overseas companies e.g. Heidelberg Cement, Holcim.
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@Jimmeh_B To be perfectly honest, I haven't the faintest idea what most of your comments are on about. But let me explain the simple bit I can understand. Where Australia is at today with 'multiculturalism' is just the current state of a VERY long process that began in the Whitlam era and the complete abandonment of the previous highly successful 'white Australia policy' that build the nation called Australia. Basically populating the country with people of a largely common background, religion, values, etc.
If people haven't figured out yet that the 'traditional Australian values' concept is LONG ago dead and cremated, then they are either naive, stupid, or likely both. Australia is now just a hotchpotch of races, cultures, values. Like it or not, that is the reality and there is no going back.
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@montaheartssaico4455 Sorry, I'm assume you must have been at school still, so idealistic and incorrect were the points you were making.
Where on earth did you get the idea that fossil fuel get massive subsidies from the government? The reality is the exact OPPOSITE. Coal royalties paid by coal miners to State Governments are in the BILLIONS of dollars annually. It's what pays for NSW and Queensland hospitals, police, teachers, etc ,etc. Both States would be near broke without coal royalties.
And the Federal Government receives BILLIONS from fuel excise and GST on petroleum products. Half the cost of a liter of petrol is government tax.
And if anyone has told you the fuel rebate system is a subsidy to diesel users, they are talking BS and haven't a clue. It's no more than a refund of a surcharge tax to off-road users that was paid when the diesel was purchased. The surcharged tax was introduced to pay for upgrading Australia's Nation Highways on the basis heavy trucks do the most damage. But a lot of diesel is purchased for non road use (mining, on farm, fishing trawlers, stationary generators, etc, etc, etc) So these people rightly get the surcharge tax paid when they purchased the diesel refunded to them quarterly when they submit a claim-back.
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@monte5293 Clearly you are Australian, so really have little knowledge of what US citizens actually think. You are just lying, there is no other way to say it, when you false claim that Australia does not have an EXCELLENT relationship with the Trump Administration. Scott Morrison and Donald Trump appear to have a very warm professional and personal relationship.
The only person dreaming about the future of coal is you. Without coal exports the economies of both Queensland and NSW would collapse. Coal royalties alone contribute around $4 Billion dollars to the Queensland state budget. That's what pays for all the left-wing jobs in the public service, the hospitals, the teachers (probably the social security you rely on). It's what funds the arts, and social services in an already financially broke state. That's just the royalty component. The direct and indirect employment contributes 100 times that amount.
And as far as coal disappearing, you may wish it would, but that's all it is, dreaming. Here, read this and actually learn something about the subject rather than sitting in your parents basement playing computer games ...... “Despite the growth in low-carbon fuels in recent decades, the reality is coal remains a major fuel in global energy markets ... the world consumes 65% more coal today than in the year 2000,” the report by the Paris-based agency said. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iea-coal-idUSKBN1YL005
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@anthrosapien3784 AND .... as the recognized 300 year long Little Ice Age ended around 1889/90 the world has been warming up since then. It is completely to be expected the ice poles and glaciers should be retreating after advancing over the previous 300 years. This all happened without any material CO2 increase. Even the IPCC claim that only around 50% of the current warming is due to human emissions, a fact completely overlook my left wing MSM and climate extremists. The IPCC make this statement in EVERY IPCC report, but it gets completely ignored by the media and extremists. Doesn't suit the narrative.
The bottom line is that the current crop of 'climate science experts' lie, distort, cherry pick, misrepresent, make unscientific claims ad infinitum. As such a prudent person would be wise to question anything they claim.
Interesting question you might want to ponder, compared again the 'consensus' scientific opinion (not quite sure when scientific fact became decided by democracy). If the climate experts are correct that the past 2000 year recognized warming periods weren't all the warm, just how did Hannibal in 218 BC manage to take his men plus 38 elephants and 8000 horses across the Italian Alps to attack the Romans? Not the route they took, but the logistics of feeding such an undertaking had they been forced to travel over the extensive distance of snow and ice which currently exists in any possible route. The answer is they couldn't have done it, the stock food alone would have been impossible to carry. All the animals would have starved to death. It would only have been possible by travelling up fertile warm mountain valley were the animals were able to graze. Valley's now completely covered all year round by snow and ice.
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@pepe-yi6bh In all honesty, and no disrespect, the question your asking me is SO simplistic. I could give the usual answer, the climate has always changed, and that would be true, so of cause I believe in 'climate change'. What are you really asking? Is it how much doesn't mankind affect the environment? My answer, massively. We have outsmarted ourselves and beat many diseases. Modern warfare is not longer hundreds of thousands of people killing themselves on the battlefield. The result is we are now like a plague of rats, stripping the planet bare.
So we come to the question of C02. From an environmental perspective, how important is it in this massive environmental pressure even increasing population places on the planet. Is that the question? So what do we actually know. Does increasing C02 increase global temperature? Yes. How much? Despite what many claim, no one really knows. Is it the sole driver of increasing temperatures? No. Not even the IPCC makes that extreme claim. Is it a problem? No real evidence it is, in fact most of the world will be a more pleasant and healthier place to live with a slightly warmer average temperate. Can we alter the outcome? No, pretty arrogant of us to believe we can alter the planets climate significantly? Could go one.
So what should we do? Stop spending trillions on woke pointless climate change schemes, and instead put the money into environmental projects the WILL make a real difference. Things such as habitat preservation.
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@steven4946 Totally agree, Gladys has a LOT of people fooled. She is one nasty lying 'person'. Even the corrupt boyfriend is showing more moral character at present, acknowledging his wrong doing without trying to defend the indefensible. If Gladys had half a brain that's exactly what she should be doing. Admit her mistakes, accept she got sucked into the world of corrupt politics, and apologize to the people of NSW for letting them down. She would walk away with more supporters by taking this 'damage control' approach. But no, she is to arrogant and stupid.
Regarding when Daryl is telling Gladys 'someone could be listening to this conversation'. These conversations occurred after he'd been called to first appear at ICAC. Clearly by then both were fully aware their conservation were being tapped because the conversations are so 'hammed' up "I've done no wrong", "just tell the truth", etc, etc. It is real spew material. They clearly know by this stage that ICAC is listening and are trying to weave the required narrative. That is why I reckon ICAC played these very long 3? tape intercepts. They don't actually say why they are played (in full), and ask few question related to them. My take is they are leaving it to the listener to realize for themselves that Gladys and Daryl, now aware they ARE being taped, are trying to play people for fools.
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Look I fully appreciate your just a Trump hater, and no amount to fact or logic is going to quell your anger and hate. But as there is currently nothing on TV, I'll play along for a while.....
In the early stages of the virus Donald Trump ran an hourly press conference EVERY DAY that was televised around the WORLD. At that time is was about the best source of information going with a range of presenters including Birx, Fauci, the Surgeon General, etc, etc. giving their views and the latest information of the pandemic. OK, so much for the total BS that Donald Trump wasn't informing the American public.
What's the next bit of BS? Promoted 'snake oil cures'. There are now endless studies showing the effectiveness of Hydroxychloroquine used early in combination with zinc. Should it work in theory, absolutely. Zinc has been known for decades to retard the replication of viruses. That's solid proven mainstream medical science. Hydrooxychloroquine is a zinc ionophore, again mainstream medical science. A zinc ionophore is a substance that facilitates the entry of zinc into the body of the virus. So far from 'snake oil cures', Donald was a leading advocate of a very effective treatment being used successful all around the world, including in the US. The greatest bit of 'snake oil cure' comes from the main steam medical establishment. No safe effective vaccine has EVERY been found for a coronavirus. And most likely none ever will.
Next bit of BS? Donald is responsible for tens of thousands on unnecessary deaths. He's the President, and while Donald probably thinks he is God, he aren't. If here is one person responsible for tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths it's the New York Governor, a Democrat, Andrew Cuomo. New York has by FAR the highest death rate per capita in the world. More than twice that of Spain and Italy. Why? Try around 60,000 homeless people of extreme poor health that live every night on the streets of New York, coupled with Cuomo mandating than nursing homes had to take infected people from the hospitals to free up beds in the hospitals. This killed thousands. He did this for purely political reasons rather than utilize the naval ship or field hospital that Donald had supplied, which remained vitally empty.
Thinks that's about it. I realize you won't read any of the above, but it amused me to type it. I know you don't want to read it, your are perfectly happy knowing very little and simply blaming Donald for all your problems in life.
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As it seeing I've stirred the noisy 'woke' rabble ...... The best thing Nicole can do for conservative politics IS retire and allow someone with a thicker skin and more stamina to take her place. Conservative beliefs and politics are under immense attack from the radical left all across the Western world. Asking, let alone expecting this left wing rabble to just 'play nice' is the stuff of naive fools. These left-wing warriors only have one rule, 'whatever it takes'. Hoping the left will play nice is simply playing into their hands.
What is needed are people with the commitment and backbone to fight back against the 'woke' attack on just about every facet of life. People with a strong conservative view, a hide like a rino, and being prepared to give as good as they get. People NOT prepared to just throw the towel in and walk away when things get tough. People like Donald Trump, Nigel Farage, Matt Canavan, Pauline Hanson, etc, etc.
Take Pauline Hanson, I don't see her playing the 'victim woman' card, yet she has been subject to the most EXTREME and constant abuse and ridicule for decades. Even falsely sent to prison.
The last thing conservative politics need are 'snowflakes'. The battle of ideas will surely be lost if this is the case.
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These people are DANGEROUS! Covid gave a true insight into just how dangerous these people are. Any doctor who questioned the vaccines, even giving it to healthy children, instantly out of a job and career destroyed. Politicians e.g. Craig Kelly, who advocated for proven alternatives to vaccines, completely cancelled. The list goes on and on .... all done to silence 'misinformation' when in fact it was invaluable information.
The same thing will happen (it already is happening) to ANY subject the elites decide eg. climate change, covid, childhood vaccinations, The Voice, etc, etc, etc.
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@joedennehy386 How many times do I have to explain, she was NOT authorized to buy expensive presents on her corporate credit card. I had a $20,000 limit on mine, which actually means the total monthly amount before, usually an Amex, won't allow any more transactions to be processed.
I had a $20,OOO authorization limit ..... which authorized me to purchase up to $20,000 dollars worth of APPROPRIATE BUSINESS ITEMS. A Cartier watch is NOT an APPROPRIATE BUSINESS ITEM.
The very reason corporation have highly formalized bonus scheme systems, governed by policy and procedures, documented goals, signed of by the BOARD, full transparency and verifiable ... is ...to stop the exact practices that Christine Holgage engaged in. Flinging other people money around like they were the emperor.
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@alphariusomegon281 As you say, I think Singapore will be a very insightful test case. Shouldn't take to long to see which way it goes. I'm actually optimistic. My honest take is the virus is primarily a seasonal 'lifestyle' threat (naturally there is a small percentage of non lifestyle health problems). The number of younger people badly affected in New York was higher than Europe. 42% of Americans are classified as obese. It's something like 45% of all UK citizens have comorbidities, UK is doing it tough death rate wise. Older Italians are as a generalization very overweight. etc, etc. Germany is doing ok, and my observation is they are reasonably lean. What else would you expect eating German food, lol.
So if I'm right the solution is not really a vaccine consistent with the orthodox medical approach to everything that ails humanity. Rather it is perhaps a wake-up call to the VERY poor health our society has allowed itself to drift (sprint actually) into. But people will still want the magic fix, rather than what they can do today, give up smoking, eat properly, cut back on alcohol, exercise and loose that gut. And just for the record I'm certainly no health nut.
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@alphariusomegon281 Like wise on the pleasure of chatting with someone on a pleasant note. I'm fortunate that my wife is the health guru, and keeps me somewhat in line. She closely follows, the lets call it, 'progressive' element (for want of a better word) of the medical profession. She was the first person to tell me years ago about the connection between gut bugs and mental health (now well accepted medicine). Try that one with your local GP today and don't be surprised if they just stare back with a blank look. Here's a prescription for a highly addictive anti-depressive medication is what you should expect.
At present the only thing people can do to avoid a bad reaction to the virus if they catch it is to improve their own personal health. Really improve it. Don't sit at home, get out and sit in the sunshine in that park, the people telling you not to are clueless. Time to cut out the junk food, the sugar and all the tinned products full of it. What sold out first in the great supermarket rush beside shit paper (still can't figure that one out)? Pasta and tinned sauce. There was never a shortage of fresh fruit and vegetables. Have people forgotten what real food even is?
We have a serious public health crisis, and have had it for quite a few years. But it's not Covid-19, that's just what should be a modestly annoying bug shinning a massive light on the problem. Do we as a society what to address the real underlying problem, or just do nothing, wait for the quick fix and then when the next bug comes along (which it will) here we go again. Anyhow, that's how I see it. Cheers!
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You don't even need to go back 4200 years. Its pretty well accepted that the end of the Roman Warming period was a, if not THE, major factor in the Romans abandoning Britain a 1000 yeas ago. The 'dark ages' arrived, crops failed, starvation and disease took hold, invasion from the starving 'savages' from the north increased, etc. etc. Sounds just like an idea in a popular fiction series. The coming of the Long Winter, the 'wildlings' attacking the south, a wall to defend the south (Hadrian's Wall). Un-creative script writers just borrowing from actual history.
According to the fraud Michael Mann that time was just a local minor temperature fluctuation (less than 0.5C). The world warmed 0.5C between 1880 and 1940 due to natural variation and the difference was barely, if at all, noticeable.
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@clevelandwilliams5922 I'm wondering if (a) your illiterate, (b) just plain dumb, or (c) a troll. Perhaps all 3.
At no time have I defended Scott Morrison, in fact I can't wait for his defeat at the next election, same as EVERY politician regardless of political leaning that has 'guided' Australia (F'd is a more accurate word) through covid.
The topic was are politicians highly paid. No they are NOT. Some are because they are so stupid and useless they'd be overpaid if they worked at McDonalds flipping hamburgers. But as a generalisation they are NOT highly paid. Anyone in an equivalent position of responsibility in either the private sector or public service is paid SIGNIFICANTLY more. And they (and their immediately families) are NOT allowed to hold positions, shares, property, receive gifts, etc, etc, etc, etc. in industries where they would be either an actual or perceived conflict of interest.
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@timsheen1158 No, you've got it ALL wrong.
The person who authorised the lease of the Port of Darwin in October 2015 was Adam Giles, the former NT Chief Minister (till 2016). It was leased to a Chinese owned private company (Landbridge Group) with headquarters in the city of Rizhao, Shandong Province, China. Landbridge Group is owned by Ye Cheng, a billionaire with close ties to the Chinese Communist Party.
Adam Giles is now (appointed 6 years after leaving office) Chairman of Verdant Earth Technology, which are in negations with Landbridge Group over a hydrogen project. Typical 'rent seekers' associated with renewables.
So in summary, there are no issues along the line your suggest in relation to politicians remuneration. However there two REAL issues that people should be concerned about. The first is the CCP's ever growing influence in Australian business and government. The second, the army of blood sucking 'rent seekers' (yes with ex politicians rife among them e.g Turnbull, Julie Bishop, etc) promoting renewables schemes in order to suck the life out of the Australian taxpayer.
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@helimark6161 Ok. First thing Australia can do is stop all mass immigration. It won't stop global population growth, but it will help stop the environmental degradation of Australia (continually clearing land for housing). And, its the same logic with CO2 emissions that the climate warriors run, doesn't matter the Australia's bit won't make a global difference, its just being a good global citizen.
Next, start a genuine debate in Australia about population size, environment impact of increasing population size etc .... Out of that debate comes the message that families of more than 2 children are not environmentally responsible. You can never mandate the number of children people can have, but just like drink driving, you can slowly change societies attitudes if the message is communicated in an appropriate manner.
Between those two initiatives (near zero immigration, the vast majority of future Australian families being only two children) the population size of Australia will enter a decline. In time a more sustainable population size will be achieved, homes for first home buyers will become affordable again, emissions will be reduced, the environment will recover. Win/win for all.
P.S. Who's going to take care of the old folk (the usual sales pitch for the ponzi scheme of ever increasing population size)?? Answer: Themselves. I don't expect ANYONE else to be forced to fund the last years of my life. If I've blown all my money on 'fast women and slow horses' .... tough!
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@bobbyjones6668 The only case I can see for skilled immigration is for jobs that Australia doesn't have any expertise. If we decide to build a nuclear power plant for example, I'm sure there are probably specialist reactor engineering skills we may not have. But for welders, mechanics, accountants, IT staff, etc, etc, etc, no way. If industry isn't prepared to take on apprentices then they can just wear the cost of higher wages to attract qualified Australians. Supply and Demand. That's how it used to work. It was in the collective interest of industry to train Australians so there wouldn't be a skills shortage. Not necessary now, just import em. Pure lazy employment policy by government and employers, and not in the national interest.
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@Neil-yg5gm Good find. It's still a bit ambiguous of the detailed process as to how a reported discrepancy between the two data sources would be handled. THAT was the central problem, there was nothing wrong with the idea, it was how it would be handled in procedural practice. Asking often intellectually, organisational, and socially challenged people to explain the reported vague discrepancy from periods well in the past was grossly unfair. The person who I was assisting used to get paid by a tiny business by cash in an envelop. No payslips. And no two weeks earnings were the same, often varying greatly. The variable earnings in weekly income alone creates a significant variation between the two data sources. The business was no longer operating, and the former owner long disappeared. So financial reconstruction of the past was impossible.
IF people lodged an appeal (which we did), and be prepared to escalate those appeals right through to the highest level they were able to gum up the process. This is what everyone should have done. However, this required a high degree of confidence, and knowledge. Something few of those on the receiving end probably had.
But where does this all get us. I'm still struggling to understand the need for a Royal Commission. What went wrong, and who did what is already in the public domain. Wrong has been admitted, and compensation paid.
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@oldbloke204 Here, read some science on the effectiveness of lock-downs https://academic.oup.com/cesifo/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cesifo/ifab003/6199605
To be perfectly honest, I'm completely staggered that any rational sane person could advocate the locking down of society, putting people out of work, ever. It is simply the most selfish attitude.
There are many people in society whose ONLY sense of self-worth, connection to society, and limited personal discipline comes from paid employment. Employment to these people, usually in VERY low paid jobs, and the first to be laid off in a lock-down is not just earning a dollar. Work to these damaged people is like the rudder on a ship, without it they drift aimlessly. Without work they cease to function, stay in bed all day, sit up playing computer games all night, self-medicate, with nothing to occupy and distract them their minds ruminate digging themselves ever deeper into their state of anxiety and depression. A vicious downward spiral takes place.
There are literally hundreds of thousands of these people. And you don't care about them one iota, only your own self. You should actually be embarrassed to have so little insight into the consequences of lock-downs, and I've only touched on one aspect, one actually based upon first-hand experience.
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@spiritfingers6897 I was doing a bit of research to see if there was any academic evidence as to the effectiveness of elements of 'social distancing'. Guess why, there is hardly any. But the really interesting one is the most likely place to pick up a pandemic bug is ..... at home. That's what the science actually says. And stopping mass gatherings, has only limited impact and then just a narrow window of around 10 days before the pandemic peak.
So basically, all these restrictions and smashing the economy, hardly a scrap of solid evidence to support they actually work, and if anything make the situation worse. This is exactly what happen in New York ....... “We were thinking that maybe we were going to find a higher percentage of essential employees were getting sick because they were going to work. That this maybe was nurses, doctors, transit workers—that’s not the case. Some 83% of new patients are out of work or retired, and aren’t even leaving their home on a daily basis." - Governor Andrew Cuomo.
So basically the idiots smashed the economy originally on no solid basis, using methods that had no scientific validity, and continue to keep restrictions in place that can't be justified by either reason or science.
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@shannonwilson1416 So Aldi, IGA, Foodworks, Foodland, Farmer Jacks, Harris Farm, Costco, etc, etc .... not to mention the literally thousands of small Asian groceries, fish shops, butchers, bakers etc don't exist and are all just a figment of people's imagination.
The reality is other than Aldi with its VERY limited range, none of the independents are materially cheaper than Coles or Woolworths. In many cases that are significantly dearer if there is no Coles or Woolworths nearby to make them competitive.
P.S. A don't believe the theoretical BS that more suppliers means more competitive pricing. I was in the paint industry for many years. Dulux had 50% market share, and the remanded split between Taubmans and Wattyl. Dulux with it dominance set the price. When Taubmans wanted to buy Wattle the ACCC stopped it on the flawed logic of 3 were better then just 2. All it did was maintain Dulux's dominance and leave too struggling smaller but barely profitable competitors. The ACCC is full of theoretical idiots.
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@oldnutta7611 You have NO idea .....
"Cannabis, a widely used psychoactive substance, can trigger acute cannabis-associated psychotic symptoms (CAPS) in people who use cannabis (PWUC). To assess rates and correlates of CAPS requiring emergency medical treatment, we analyzed data from an international sample of PWUC (n = 233,475). We found that 0.47% (95%CI 0.42; 0.52) PWUC reported lifetime occurrence of CAPS, defined as the occurrence of hallucinations and/or paranoia requiring emergency medical treatment following the use of cannabis. A range of factors correlated with risk of CAPS in the last year: higher rates were observed in young individuals [risk ratio (RR) 2.66, compared to older PWUC] and those residing in Denmark (RR 3.01, compared to PWUC from other countries). Furthermore, risk was elevated in those using predominantly high-potency resin (RR 2.11, compared to PWUC using herbal cannabis), those mixing cannabis with tobacco (RR 2.15, compared to PWUC not mixing with tobacco) and those with a diagnosis of psychosis (RR 14.01), bipolar (RR 4.30), anxiety (RR 2.92) and depression (RR 2.68), compared to individuals without a mental health diagnosis. Taken together, acute self-limiting psychotic symptoms in the context of cannabis use may occur in about 1 in 200 PWUC’s lifetime. Some individuals could be particularly sensitive to the adverse psychological effects of cannabis, such as young individuals or those with pre-existing mental health vulnerabilities. In light of the movements towards legalization of recreational cannabis, more research should focus on the potential harms related to cannabis use, to educate PWUC and the public about risks related to its use."
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@JohnDoe_75 Yes your description is correct, but hate to burst your bubble, ever man and his dog knows and understands it. The difficult question is how best to address it, striking a reasonable balance. People are starting to realize the economy is not "money". It is peoples lives, their dreams, their very basic existence. They are realizing that other, even more effective strategies exist. Not in theory, what other countries are actually doing without shutting down their economy (the basics of living).
So I hate to be the bearer of bad news. I reckon I've got a reasonable finger on the pulse of the debate. And now that people are slowly starting to appreciate the adverse long term implications of the completely touch the economy approach, the swing against it is quite rapidly gaining momentum.
At the end of the day, if your find you do have a queue waiting for an ICU bed and need to decide who gets it, no problem. Send me their case file, together with a full explanation of how they come to be in that situation. I won't loose a seconds sleep keeping it under control. Complications caused by extreme high blood pressure and morbid obesity from a life of eating junk food....... NEXT!
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@cleary92 As a generalisation, self made people are no more lucky or privileged than anyone else. My father was an orphan (as a kid I never knew the several people people I called uncle or aunt were really the various foster carers he moved around among as a young child), he was a teenager in the Great Depression, forced to travel the roads looking for work. His first real job was enlisting for WWII (he's the only person I've hear admit most men enlisted for a paid job, not some sense of adventure of patriotism). THIS is the family I grew up in, zero luck, zero privilege. We were as poor as 'church mice'. His 4 sons have all gone on in life to do well, quite well actually. Being poor when you're young, having nothing, is a GREAT motivator.
See like a whole young generation that's your problem. You've probably never been really poor. You're really the self-entitled one, pretending to care about some collective group, or 'climate change' which is nothing other than pure virtue-signalling. I'll bet you do zero charitable or volunteer work. You do nothing to really help struggling people, just go on the internet sprouting so socialist garbage pretending to care.
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"If your lips are moving, if your lips are moving
If your lips are moving, then you're lyin', lyin', lyin', baby
If your lips are moving, if your lips are moving
If your lips are moving, then you're lyin', lyin', lyin', baby"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWM6vKJicbk&ab_channel=YlovesMUSIC
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Lynda, people like you wanting to divide the country claiming there is systemic racism in every part of Australia is exactly why Labor will spend the foreseeable future in opposition. Australia is not perfect, but is without a doubt the most inclusive country on the planet. And a fact of which we should be proud. If there is a better country, name it.
First nations people have excelled in just about every walk of life, the media, politics, academia, business, sport. That simply couldn't happen if systemic racism existed everywhere. You're just trying to milk the US BLM political movement, a county that elected a black President by an overwhelming majority, not once, but twice.
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@JamielDeAbrew Ok, to answer you question. Start with the proposition that governments are inherently inefficient, wasteful, self-serving, and basically evil. If you doubt that last description, what other organisation can take your children and send them to a pointless war to be killed. Government is your enemy, not your friend.
Now that we've established that fact. The only reason government wants to change any tax system is to increase its revenue, basically steal more of your hard earned money.
The only reason they want to change from stamp-duty to a life time tax on property is because in time it will generate more money for the government. Basically impose a permanent tax on all properties in NSW. They couldn't possibly pull that steal off by doing in one blanket change. So they'll sneak it in, property by property. Once someone has elected to make the property subject to property tax, all subsequent owners would be bound by that decision.
Bottom line: It is just another tax grab (steal) by government to waste on stupid things to line the pockets of their backers such as desal plants, football stadium rebuilds, relocating museums so property developers can have the CBD site, etc, etc, etc.
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@lukem2260 The bank 'bail ins' (to use your term) is TOTAL FAKE NEWS, certainly as it relates to Australia. As I said in my previous post, the people pushing this nonsense, who I can only assume are doing it just to deliberately create fear for some political reason, don't even understand basic accounting terms such as 'capital'. The Australian legislation at the center of this issue is designed to deal with how a banks 'capital' is handled should a bank experience financial difficulties. The term 'capital' is a well understood accounting term which means the OWNERS financial share of a business e.g. the shareholders money tied up in the business. No court in the land would find any other way such is the clear understating of what the term 'capital' means. It is as clear in meaning to an accountant as what a spark plug is to a motor mechanic, a stud is to a carpenter. Depositors funds are NOT capital, they are in accounting terms a 'liability' of the bank. Should a bank experience financial difficulty, under no circumstances can the depositors funds be used to pay the owners debts.
Such was the confusion created by these peddlers of this fake news, the legislation at the center of this issue specifically states, depositors funds are NOT capital and as such can't be utilized. There are any number of guidance documents related to the legislation also stating this. Not only can't depositor funds be taken by the banks as the peddlers of the fake news claim, bank deposits are actually 100% guaranteed by the Australian Government.
Money in a recognized Australian bank is truly as 'safe as a bank'. Australia has a very well run and regulated banking system. When many of the worlds banks fell apart in the GFC and had to be bailed out by their countries governments, Australian banks sailed through with barely a hiccup.
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Might actually be too early to say its saved any lives. Perhaps our current approach may actually cost more lives in the long run. If you sort the current deaths per million by country one thing virtually jumps of the page. ALL the countries with high death rates are Northern Hemisphere countries, in order Spain, Italy, Belgium, France, Netherlands, UK, etc. Where's the countries were it is hot, or those in the Southern Hemisphere currently in the last of summer??? Leaving aside countries with very small populations who generate funny numbers, you have to go WAY down the list till you come to Brazil at currently 5 deaths per million (compared to Spain at 355). Brazil has a vastly superior health system, or living condition to Spain, don't think so.
So perhaps holding back a controlled spread and developing a decent level of community immunity before the cold of winter sets in may actually prove to be counter productive. The 'science' behind this idea is probably on a par with most other science currently on the subject.
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An important aspect seemingly not getting any media attention relates to the housing crisis. Try building a new home, granny flat, or major extension to an existing home, certainly in NSW, and you'll run head on to green woke ideology gone completely mad. The government now mandates the size and composition of your windows, what color the roof and walls must be, the nature of cooking appliances, barring you from having air conditioning as part of the build, etc, etc, etc ...... even down to what you have to plant in the garden.
It all results is VERY significant additional cost and delay. And for basically ZERO effect on the temperature of the planet.
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@poerava If shouting childish abuse at a total stranger on the internet makes you feel better, glad I am able to help. You seem angry and frustrated.
The bottom line, no matter how you want to spin it, is that Daniel Andrews created whatever problems Victoria is currently experiencing, and his current 'efforts' are little more than a power grab, have ZERO science behind them, and are just spin to deflect attention away from these FACTS.
For evidence that what Victoria is currently doing is totally unnecessary, just look north to NSW. The virus is also circulating around in the state, but life has essentially returned to total normality (with just a few silly procedures like singing in when you go to a pub). The total number of people permitted to go to a football game is about the only 'control' really in place. No one is dying (actually 1000 less aged care residents this compared to last year), hospitals are not overwhelmed (ICU's are empty really), life is essentially totally back to normal (as it should have been since the beginning of this virus that is as dangerous as a bad Influenza year).
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@jakedekleuver Such a simplistic question to a complex question. But if you want a simplistic answer... yes.
Now how about a more intelligent discussion? Type 2 diabetes is a totally preventable disease. It doesn't creep up on someone unexpectedly, it is the result of years of overeating, eating the wrong foods, and a lack of exercise. The person will know they are doing themselves harm, and their doctor will have told them for years they are likely to significantly shorten their life unless they radically change their behaviors. They choose not to make those changes, can't be bothered basically. Laugh it off as they dig into another plate of pasta. Life's to short to worry about shit like that, doctors will always patch me up is their thinking.
On the other hand we have a very fit person, watches what they eat, exercises regularly. Doesn't smoke. If they consume alcohol, only in moderation. They work as a waiter at the local restaurant. They take their health seriously.
Now to the moral question. Should our fit health conscious slim waiter be forced to lose his livelihood (and all the dire consequences that could mean), to 'protect' the person with self inflicted diabetes who hasn't bothered to look after themselves? Why should society be expected to care more about the health of our diabetic, than they were prepared to do for themselves. Wouldn't it be reasonable for society to care about the same as the diabetic was prepared to care, which isn't a lot. I'm not even asking our hypothetical waiter to care less, just the same. Does personally responsibility for looking after ones self no longer have any meaning? Is its the states role to step in and force innocent others to bear the cost of our uncaring diabetic. Isn't it selfish for the diabetic to expect others to now make huge sacrifices when they were unwilling to make even quite simple ones. I'll leave you to ponder these more complex broader moral questions.
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Scene, Been & Seen You made the totally ridicules statement "no-one has ever matched Trump's depravity, whether Left or Right, Dem or GoP.". The best you can back up such a ridicules statement is a clown at a protest who plowed his car into a crowd, yes killing someone. Did Donald instruct that person to do it, NO! And to even suggest so is crass on your part.
As far as your example to support your claim Donald the most 'depraved' President ever, all I can assume is you really have little understanding of history or global events. It's laughable to use such a relatively trivial event in comparison to the decision of say George W Bush to wage an illegal war on Iraq with fabricated 'weapons of mass destruction' at a cost of 800 Billion dollars which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of lives, the near total destruction of several countries, the creation of ISIS with its atrocities, and it STILL continues to reek havoc today.
Sorry, you are a typical left-wing lightweight pawn being manipulated by the elite puppet masters using 'emotion' rather than fact.
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@nicandknacksandseans Lots to unpack there. Keeping it simple, trying to respond to your main points .....
The bottom line is that it is flawed for people to automatically think because the globe is currently getting warmer (about 1C a century) it must be getting drier, hence more bushfires. That flawed logic is pushed constantly by the climate extremist industry.
How do you know what ALL scientists around the world think and agree on? Certainly don't for a second think highly political and agenda driven organisations like the IPCC represent the views of all the scientists of the world. Anyone with a dissenting view will have long ago been put on the banned list. This is well know complaint.
However its probably reasonable to assume the vast majority of scientists believe two things 1. the globe is in a warming phase, and 2. CO2 is a greenhouse gas that contributes to that warming. That's it. There is no universal agreement on how much of the current warming is due to the increase in CO2, even the IPCC say only about half. And there is certainly no agreement on future projections. And these are just the easy questions. What to actually do about it is when the questions starts to get hard.
If you think all scientists have the highest integrity and are not prepared to fudge data to achieve the desired answer, and can get away with it if caught out, then clearly you are not aware of Climategate. Truly research the subject, don't just accept some whitewashed description of events. It would be naive to think most, certainly young, climate scientists are objective open minded seekers of the 'truth' whatever that may be. They are primarily activists on climate change, and an activist can never be impartial or objective.
The standard of much climate science is NOT of a high standard. In fact its considered junk science by some pretty credible characters like Peter Ridd and Judith Curry. These are highly credible critics, no matter how much the 'hate mob' try to do a 'job' on them simply because they have a different perspective. That's how objective your scientific community is, anyone who rocks the boat by having a different point of view will be treated as a total pariah. Not just ignored, but be subjected to an active campaign to try and totally discredit them.
Having a PhD and be known to have a different perspective to the required narrative, you will not find it easy to just get another job. In fact you should expect to be unemployable. Ask Professor Peter Ridd or Professor Judith Curry what it's like. Someone thinking climate change is an environmental issue is missing half the story. Without understanding the political forces behind the climate change industry it is impossible to accurately see the full picture. Read up on Maurice Strong, considered the god-farther of climate change, as a starting point for understanding the politics that drive the climate change industry. Maurice may have gone, but the legacy he started certainly hasn't.
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@GiantArapaima74 I'll give you a tip: Insults only reflect badly on the person making them. Now to the subject, if you doubt the accuracy of reported numbers for Singapore all that shows is you know nothing about Singapore. I've worked back and forth there for MANY years, often with government departments. It is THE most transparent, follow the rules bureaucracy in the WORLD, bar none.
Singapore is not an 'outlier', you cannot have a disease of 60,000 reported cases and have an 'outlier'. That is medically and statistically impossible. You'd have to try and argue there is something special in the diet, or genetic make-up of Singaporean people, which is impossible being such a diverse cultural mix. The whole of Asia has VERY low numbers of Covid-19 deaths per population. The only plausible explanation is a high level of natural immunity after exposure to SARS that went through Asia seventeen years ago.
You have ZERO idea how many people have actually died from Covid-19, such is the questions around accuracy. In the UK anyone who died up to months latter after testing positive to Covid-19 was recorded as a Covid death. Didn't matter what killed them, just that they died. People die every day in nursing homes, that's the only reason someone is there, to die.
The 2 million is the number of people Joe Biden said would have been saved if Donald Trump had taken the virus more 'seriously'. That's all he had to do, just be more 'serious' and a miracle would have supposedly happened.
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@GragoryBell89 Yes, it is the parliament who will pass the final Bill making the laws. And just how will the content of that Bill be determined e.g, selection of members, powers, funding, location, support services, etc, etc. By the EXACT method prescribed in the full transcript of Uluru Statement of the Heart. By a "Joint Committee" made up of predominantly aboriginal activists, with only ONE member of the current federal Labor government. And that person will no doubt be the totally incompetent Linda Burney.
Albanese has on numerous occasions committed to implement the FULL statement from the heart. He knows full well it is not just the first page, it is the complete document. And the full document clearly outlines how the powers, funding, support services, location etc, etc are to be determined. And that is NOT by parliament.
It is all in writing, black and white, and no spin from you will change these facts.
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@amiski No you said, exact words "Sky News is extremely right-wing". You were WRONG which I pointed out. If your had said very short video extracts taken from Sky News prime time presenters are virtually all right wing orientated, I'd agree. But so what, who's confused? CNN, ABC, CNBC, Washington Post, New York Times, etc, etc, etc are all anti Trump. Everyone knows that.
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@adrianduff2783 You think hundreds of thousands of jobs lost is an exaggeration. That would be the number in the Hunter Region alone. That's jobs directly employed in the coal mine, the train drivers to get the coal to the Newcastle Port, the people who work 24/7 on the coal leaders in the Port, all the supporting engineering and technical businesses, all the trades who build the homes for all these people, the people who work in the shops/clubs who sell food and drink to all these people etc, etc, etc, And I haven't even touched on all the coal fired power plants in the region.
The Hunter Region is a vibrant community. Without the coal it would be DEAD. And than what are the 30%, 40% unemployed people in the Hunter Region going to do??? All pack up and move to China to make solar panels for $2 an hour (probably less).
Sorry, you people who think there are 'green jobs' to replace traditional industries are living in cuckoo land. Or you just pretend these jobs will magically appear so as not to face the reality of the mountain of misery and human tragedy your desire for a 'green world' will create.
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@jonh9561 They are not doing the best under the circumstances. Your confusing uncertainty with panic, they are very different things. They were slow to shut the borders, smashed the economy unnecessarily when reported cases started rising as Australian's returned from overseas, totally mismanaged the Ruby Princess matter, rolled out a poorly planned super dole system that is being ripped off big time. Unnecessarily created mega unemployment which will take YEARS to recover, and drove endless small business owners into bankruptcy. Created massive long-term social problems, included increased substance abuse, family breakdown, mental illness, domestic violence, and suicides.
All done on completely dodgy data, without proper scrutiny. Critical decisions made by the seat of the pants in full blown panic. And all for what? They don't seem to have been able to make any real difference to lives being lost by the frail in aged care homes, which was surely the whole purpose of the exercise.
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@Tassie_tiger Ok, the NSW Health site is incorrect, if you say so. Yes, I corrected the 2000 number because I simply had used the rate per male and female per 100,000 people for the total population of NSW without thinking I should have only used half the NSW population for each. I'm the first to correct a mathematical error.
You really aren't that sharp. First you quote a number of 150 for all Australia, now its 3100, tell me I'm wrong with 1000, and aren't smart enough to divide 3100 by 1/3rd the approximate percentage of Australia that live in NSW to arrive at what answer ????? Dudah!!!! ..... wait for it ....... 1033. Exactly what I said. And just like covid, NO ONE dies directly from the Influenza virus. It is always the bodies uncontrolled immune response e.g. pneumonia, that actually kills the person.
Give up, your just making a bigger dickhead of yourself with each successive comment.
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@_wallnutz_ You actually have no idea of my position. I 100% agree with you that it is desirable for Australia to have its own refining capability. Just as it is to utilize our own oil, gas, uranium and coal reserves to use in these refineries, or to power them.
BUT .... there is a VAST difference between what is 'desirable' and what is 'possible' due to economic, engineering, and most importantly the political considerations. The reality, no matter how much both of use agree on the desirability, in the near future Australia will cease to have any oil refining capacity. Just as we will cease to have any heavy manufacturing capability, and if the climate crew have their way, cease to have much to export to pay for the Chinese goods that flood our shores when we cease to export coal.
That's the really big joke about climate change. All the world has done is 'export' its emissions to China. It isn't really reducing them, just shipping the source overseas.
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Seriously, someone in government at the time who supports the following call for genocide of all Palestinians (which is a war crime). Is this the sort of person we want stirring up trouble in Australia ...
"The Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we must respond with war. Not an operation, not a slow-moving one, not low-intensity, not controlled escalation, no destruction of terror infrastructure, no targeted killings. Enough with the oblique references. This is a war. Words have meanings. This is a war. It is not a war against terror, and not a war against extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. These too are forms of avoiding reality. This is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people."
" the enemy is usually an entire people, including its elderly and its women, its cities and its villages, its property and its infrastructure"
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@NvikIngsN What a pile of crap. Influenza and its associated viral pneumonia kills between 260,000 to 600,000 people each and every year. The current reported number of deaths of 284,000 people from Covid-19 is clearly HIGHLY questionable to anyone with a questioning mind. Singapore, a crowded country (really just a city) with VERY precise government process e.g. correct accurate reporting, has had only 20 deaths out of over 23,000 reported cases. Japan with the oldest population in the world has at 5 people per million one of the worlds lowest death rates. England alone has 100,000 people year who die while infected with Influenza, but two thirds of that number aren't counted (unlike Covid-19) because the doctor wrote the actual cause of death on the death certificate as being the existing comorbidities. Australia experiences around 3,500 Influenza related deaths each and EVERY year, currently 90 recorded Covid-19 deaths mostly people in the very last stages of their life. A million people died in 1968 from Hong Kong flu ......
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@NvikIngsN You seemingly can't even read, so why would I go to the bother to link the UK Governments official statistics office. Look it up yourself, but you won't because you really aren't interested. You probably don't even understand that in assessing the number of Influenza deaths in any country the first thing you need to do is clarify does whatever reported number include Influenza induced viral pneumonia deaths. They will increase the 'official' death toll (which is based purely on what the doctor writes down on the death certificate) by a factor of 200-300%. It's the pneumonia that actually kills people. The UK Government stats office has done all the hard work for you and the combined number for England is 30,000 a year. THEN as I originally said, if you add on the number of deaths where the doctor noted the presence of Influenza on the death certificate (again all the hard work has been done by the stats office) even though the cause of death is listed as some other reason e.g heart failure, the number is 100,000 a year. 100,000 people die each year in England WITH Influenza at the time of death. And for what its worth, your own linked website lists pneumonia deaths for the USA at 50,000 a year. Influenza is the overwhelming major reason for pneumonia. Add the number of Influenza and pneumonia deaths together, and there's a number roughly equal to the current Covid-19 death count. And I still haven't included the died having Influenza at the time of death which will be easily as large again.
If really want something to ponder, try Singapore. Over 24,000 reported cases of Covid-19 (actual number will be higher), and 21 deaths, mostly very elderly people. And if you doubt the accuracy of government process in Singapore, having worked there it would have to be the most anal, precise, strictest, rules driven, transparent government in the world, by FAR. That's a death rate of 0.09% just in case you were interested, which is SIGNIFICANTLY less than the commonly accepted death rate for Influenza of 0.1%.
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@NvikIngsN You are COMPLETELY missing the point I'm making. The ONLY point is the relationship between the number of reported cases, and the percentage of people who died out of those reported cases. END OF STORY.
In looking at the above question, it matters zip how the country went about the matter, the timeliness or otherwise of the government of the day, or whether Donald Trump or Mickey Mouse was president of the USA. X number of people have been identified with the virus, and Y percentage died. In Singapore's case that is 0.09% It is totally inconceivable that other first world countries with excellent health care systems like Singapore could be experiencing 15 to 20 times the death rate for EXACTLY the same virus. There is only one possible explanation, countries are including a vast number of deaths in their count that Singapore believes is not appropriate to include. They do not simply fudge numbers, trust me, I've spent enough time working with government departments in Singapore.
There will be some variation by country due to age demographic, but Japan should then take that pole position (but its not), climate (yes I'd expect slightly higher in cold countries, but how can Germany and France be so different at 3 times higher in France), public health (is the UK 3 times more obese with its associated lifestyle diseases than the USA at 42% of the population).
What evidence is there that locking down the economy actually saves lives? There is no academic evidence, 50% of all deaths in Europe occurred in aged care homes with the infection brought in by health care workers, and most people caught Covid-19 at home during lock-downs. In Australia if you remove deaths that occurred at aged care homes, and cruise ships (which are just floating aged care homes) the number of deaths from Covid-19 out of 7000 reported cases (a very significant sample size) is pretty much ZERO.
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@NvikIngsN While the reported number seems to vary around quite a bit, the percentage of deaths from Europe in aged care homes seems to be about 50-60% of all deaths. Another 25% for in-home aged care. Figures might be the other way around for Italy/Spain who traditionally stay in multi generation homes. So anything up to 75% of deaths are in this one sector.
Even the most vocal advocates of 'herd immunity' have always stressed protection of the vulnerable, which is clearly the aged care sector. It's a total misrepresentation, and deliberately so, when people say 'herd immunity' means just let it rip and stuff the old folk.
That the aged care sector was the main problem area was abundantly clear early on from the experience of Italy. So people saying 'power of hindsight' aren't correct. The early indicators from Italy have remained consistent. I've seen it argued that all the effort government put into chasing people out of parks, closing restaurants, etc. had little effect in a positive way, but had a massive negative impact. It was a negative impact because it drew focus away from the one critical area, protection of the aged care sector. In this regard Governments of all persuasions around the world seem to have failed miserable. It hasn't been the people who have failed to step up to the task, quite the opposite they have been asked/forced by government to endure pain, and that will go on for some for years. It is actually been government failures that have been responsible for the high level of deaths e.g. sending still infected people back from hospital to their aged care home in both the UK and New York. Even Sweden seems to failed in this area.
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@pwillis1589 Other than a VERY small percentage of senior managers for multinational companies operating in Australia, the VAST major of people earning $5 million, or even $1.5 million a year, will be self employed and generating that income via company and trust structures. They will also have access to and can afford the best possible tax advice. Consequently the amount of PAYE tax they pay may be very minimal.
The bulk of PAYE tax is paid by middle level managers in these same companies, perhaps earning $200,000 a year. These are NOT rich people. And they are very unlikely to actually draw much from the government, sending their kids to private schools, having private health cover, not qualify for ANY government handouts, not even the recent $250 cost of living handout. These are the people potentially being denied a tax cut. They pay the bulk of PAYE tax in Australia, and are more deserving of a reduction than anyone else.
P.S. Being retired the situation I'm describing does not apply to me.
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@brianterence3211 Lets examine just how totally stupid your comment about being supported by a union boss is, and how it actually demonstrates the complete OPPOSITE of the point your were trying to advance. This reinforces again to me you are not the 'sharpest tool in the shed'.
The posties who deliver the mail would be about the lowest paid workers in Australia, considering their start time, working conditions (heat, rain), and responsibilities. People make more flipping burgers at McDonalds.
A union boss, supporting someone paid $2+million dollars a year, giving expensive gifts to 4 fellow Executives, each would be earning in excess of $1 million dollars a year ..... and nothing was given to the dozens of 'ordinary' workers who would have done the bulk of work on the project associate with the watches.
If that doesn't tell you the the union boss support had NOTHING whatsoever to do with the actual merits of the situation, and was only ever a crass political stunt to see if there was some political mileage to be gained again the Morrison Government (EXACTLY the same as you are trying to do, nothing else) then you truly are as thick as a brick. That your even advanced this point clearly indicates your lack of ability to think.
The 'union boss' should stick to what he is being paid by his members to do, advance THEIR wages and conditions, and based upon what an Australia Post 'postie' gets paid (many laid off during Holgate's tenure), I would say he is doing a lousy job of it, and he should also be looking for a new job.
P.S. Poor me she cried, "I know know what it's like to be laid off" ...... with millions in the bank and comparing herself to a postie earning not a lot more than $20 an hours and a couple weeks severance pay .... The ultimate 'woke' winger.
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Jp111 The number of Influenza deaths in Australia is actually much higher than the 900 figure you've quoted. It's placed in most studies at around 3,500 a year. The discrepancy is caused by what the doctor chose to write as the 'cause of death' on the death certificate, which is what the Bureau of Statistics uses. Influenza induced phenomena is actually what kills people, so the majority of phenomena deaths have to be added to the influenza deaths to get the more accurate number of 3,500.
Then on top of that there is the issue of people who had Influenza at the time of death, but the doctor wrote down the 'cancer' which had been slowly killing them for the past couple years as the cause of death. Just in England alone, 100,000 people die each and every year were Influenza is noted on the death certificate. 30,000 people are recorded as dying from influenza or phenomena each year, but nearly 100,000 people had influenza at the time they died.
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@oldgolfer7435 I take it your bored, and want someone to talk too. Ok, I'll play along. You have NO idea what the majority of scientists believe, and since when was science decided by majority belief? At one time the majority of scientists believed the earth was flat, the sun rotated around Earth ..... did that make it so? No!
No scientists today who wants a job can possible disagree with the HIGHLY POLITIZED climate extremist narrative. Even if they deviate a small amount from the required narrative they will be immediately ostracized, fired from their job, and NEVER work in any field of science EVER again. THAT is your 'science'.
I suggest you research who Maurice Strong was, really learn about 'climategate' and the total distortion of scientific findings in order to please political actors like Strong and Al Gore. Then read everything you can from Judith Curry, one of the most qualified people on the planet to talk about 'climate change', a contributor to the early IPCC reports, and someone who disputes the current narrative. She can only do that, because like other scientists who question the current 'narrative' she is at the end of her career and can't be 'cancelled'.
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Sean, we do understand the problems of remoteness, where there are no services, schools, hospitals, no work opportunities and nothing to give purpose so people just sit around a drink or take drugs to numb their brains. We 100% understand it. And the solution, MOVE! Just like humans all over the planet have for thousands of years when their current situation made life unsustainable or difficult (famine, war, changing climate, invaders, etc). The whole history of mankind is migration, not just sitting somewhere unsustainable complaining.
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@theotherphil As little as two weeks ago an Australian couldn't get tested, no matter what symptoms they had, unless they met two narrow criteria. Returned for overseas, or in contact with someone proved to be positive. We have no idea of how many Australian have or have had Covid-19. Even the line that our health officials are currently pushing makes zero sense, that children basically can't catch Covid-19. Kids catch every other bug easy enough, and the 20-29 year age group are by FAR the age group with the highest infection rate. So by some supposed magic the virus isn't interested in a 15 year old, but as soon as they turn 20 its open slather. Surely total nonsense. Children have reported low infection rates because they suffer next to no effects when they get it so we aren't testing them.
The Bonn University in Germany is one of the first to do broad community random testing. Early results suggest a death rate of 0.37%. That would be consistent with how the virus seems to be panning out, like a VERY bad Influenza season. And that is not downplaying it, Influenza is a dangerous virus and can claim an estimated 360,00 - 500,000 lives each year. With current deaths from the virus of 154,000 I doubt the final number will significantly exceed the deaths from a very bad Influenza season. To do so would require it to take strong hold in a heavily populated country like India or Africa. So far that isn't happening. At present it's basically confined to traditional winter Influenza regions of the world.
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@theotherphil You have no idea of the global mortality rate for Covid-19. You can't because no one currently does. That is the whole reason for the push to develop antibody testing, so they can actually figure out the true mortality rate. And your figure of 145,000 is totally 'cherry-picked' and irrelevant. The issue was BAD Influenza years. FFS the UK alone records up to 45,000 ADDITIONAL deaths in a bad Influenza season. That's on TOP of the normal rate of Influenza deaths
True statistics .......
Global Influenza cases per year 350 million to 1 Billion, current Covid-19 cases 2.2 million
Sever Illness from Influenza 3-5 Million people, 440,000 currently for Covid-19
Annual deaths from Influenza 290-650 thousand, Covid-19 currently 154 thousand.
If you truly think Covi9 is 137 times more deadly than Influenza you really know little about the subject, and are living in a state of uninformed paranoia. The reality is if a person is under 60 years of age, has truly looked after their health and fitness, neither Influenza or Covid-19 represent a significant health risk. In both cases at worst an unpleasant experience, and a decent chance of just a minor to few if any real symptoms. You are likely to catch it, get used to the idea.
P.S. 1 to 4 Million people are estimated to have died in the 1968 Hong Kong Flu pandemic. That included 100,000 in the United States. I would draw your attention to the fact Japan experienced minor impact where the USA suffered badly, just like the current situation. Consider why this may be .... https://www.britannica.com/event/Hong-Kong-flu-of-1968
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Just so I'm clear, who exactly is Australia defending itself from attack? I'm f'd that I can see any genuine threat either now or in the future if I ignore the warmongers who have wanted to start unnecessary conflicts for the past 80 years.
Oh, that's right the 'Red Peril', that's been the standard fallback line for everyone one of those 80 years with just the occasional break for some other fear campaign e.g covid, climate change, ozone layer, nuclear Armageddon, Domino theory, peak oil, Islamic terrorists, etc, etc.
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Anyone wanted to understand how dangerous the virus is to a healthy person needs no more information that that presented on the nightly news. 56 people now tested positive in an aged care home in Western Sydney, five people have now died. Presented as clear evidence of how deadly Covid-19 is ..... as long as you don't have the intellect or time to actually think about it.
Of the 56 tested positive cases I believe some have been staff, so lets say its 50 residents. Have people actually ever been to the high dependency section of an aged care home? These are people already dying, all of them, most in EXTREME poor health. Being fed slop, often heavily drugged to stop them getting agitated as the rate of dementia is high. I think it takes a special person to not be distressed seeing the state most of these people are in. I couldn't work in one so I take my hat of to those who do.
To the point, and only 5 out of 50 who have tested positive have died so far. That's not a disaster, that's actually a miracle. There would be 50 dead, plus the staff, if something like Ebola get into the place. Influenza would kill 5 out of 50 of them in a flash. If someone reflects on the relatively high recovery rate for the VERY old in extreme poor healthy it clearly supports the Stanford University assessment that for a healthy person under 65 years old, the risk of dying is about the same as driving a car.
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We don't need 'skilled' migration. It is just a con. There is absolutely no reason we can't train all the welders, mechanics, hairdressers, accountants, doctors, engineers, etc, etc we need. Why on earth would employers want to train Australian's when they can just hire someone on low wages who has come from overseas.
If there is a genuine very special skilled required, to design say a nuclear power plant, then sure, let them come.
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@tarbus8932 The 'what do I think the goal is' question is a good one, and hence a comment just on the question. Some genuine environmental concern, but mostly its about power, money, and influence. The global climate change movement owes its very existence to a fraudulent criminal, Maurice Strong. He saw it as a means to grab power, get richer, create a true global government (the UN). This former oil tycoon (irony) was the force behind such things as the UN Food for Oil scandal, lying and defrauding investors in his companies, building luxury resorts in pristine wilderness, etc, etc (it just goes on and on). His side kicks were people like Al Gore.
Watch "The Truth" video on the Extension Rebellion UK website. About 20 minutes into this reasonably long video of pure nonsense (even states take no notice of the IPCC, its a tool of the establishment) you should be starting to wonder where is this all going. You soon find out its nothing to do with climate, that is just the 'hook'. All the problems of the world are caused by the 'rich people' etc. It's about recruiting and brain washing the next generation of socialist warriors.
Read just about any IPCC report and it will start with the causes of global warming. Population increase will be right alongside greenhouse gas emissions. Greenhouse gas emissions are a function of population size, there are other drivers e.g. technology, but anyone who thinks we can reduce greenhouse gas emissions with a bunch of wind farms and solar panels while at the same time double the worlds population is kidding themselves. To my point, why is next to no attention paid to population growth, and virtually all attention paid to CO2 emissions? Answer: because reducing CO2 and increasing populations both can be utilized to bring about social re engineering.
We'd probably get way more bang for our buck (especially from an environmental perspective) by drought proofing the Murray-Darling system than paying billions to overseas windfarm 'rent seekers'
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@tarbus8932 If you want something climate related to worry about, read this study. It suggest natural variability for Australia is a far greater risk than man induced change. If 39 year long droughts happened in the not so distant past (long before significant induced climate change, we've been affecting the climate for 4000 years), it will happen again. The only uncertainty is when .......
"The Interdecadal Pacific Oscillation (IPO) influences multidecadal drought risk across the Pacific,
but there are no millennial-length, high-resolution IPO reconstructions for quantifying long-term drought risk. In Australia, drought risk increases in positive phases of the IPO, yet few suitable rainfall proxies and short (∼100 years) instrumental records mean large uncertainties remain around drought frequency and
duration. Likewise, it is unknown whether megadroughts have occurred in Australia’s past. In this study, an atmospheric teleconnection in the Indian Ocean midlatitudes linking East Antarctica and Australia is exploited to produce the first accurate, annually dated millennial-length IPO reconstruction from the Law Dome (East Antarctica) ice core. Combined with an eastern Australian rainfall proxy from Law Dome, the first millennial-length Australian megadrought (>5 year duration) reconstruction is presented. Eight
megadroughts are identified including one 39 year drought (A.D. 1174–1212), which occurred during an unprecedented century of aridity (A.D. 1102–1212)"
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/291167238_A_new_direction_for_Antarctic_ice_cores_reconstructing_Pacific_decadal_variability_and_Australian_drought_history_from_the_Law_Dome_ice_core
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@Confucius Say Chill It's more than a American problem, its a global one. And its not just the political process that gets degraded by activist so called 'journalists'. They cause immense damage to the worlds of academia, medicine, science, etc.
The media are strong allies with activists in those fields to insure only the 'required narrative' is forthcoming. Anyone who tries otherwise must be totally destroyed, no holds barred, and the media do their bit in this process. As such the fields of science, academia, medicine, etc, etc, are so much poorer.
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@mrbrightside4278 My apologies, I was only that one comment and hadn't looked at the others since last night, so it got taken out of context. I though you might have been someone with the complaints listed, hence your comment. My mistake, sorry.
On the 5% of infected people, I don't think near enough emphasis is being placed on just who these people are. Placing emphasis on what the REAL problem means some change in risk behavior may change. Pretending it doesn't exist, or aa majic fix is just around the corner, is certainly to make sure nothing changes. It's important information for people to understand the situation. People have a right to be accurately informed, not treated like mushrooms. I sense a deliberate attempt to NOT accurately inform people, but rather only emphasis certain things, seemingly to maintain as high a level of concern, which is really unfounded panic, for some agenda. That's not how it should work. Governments are paid by us, and work for us. We are the employer, they are the employees. They seem to have totally lost sight of this fact.
We started with the WHO giving a blanket 3.4%? death rate. How did people interpret that, 3 to 4 people out of every 100 are going to die. No wonder there was total panic. The first person to say (to my knowledge) the risk of dying for healthy people was about the same as Influenza was called a total crackpot and should be burnt at the stake. Further research indicates this to be correct, and for health people under 65 years of age the Stanford University research concludes the risk is about the same as driving a car.
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What is missing from this debate is a decent understanding of the technical challenges of transitioning to renewables generation. The media don't understand it, the politicians most certainly don't, the typical climate warrior has ZERO understanding, and the general public about the same.
I encourage anyone vaguely interested in this topic to read the AEMO document 'Engineering Roadmap to 100% Renewables' - December 2022. Easily found on the internet. Then you will have some understanding of the bumpy road we are heading down, (cut and paste from the report) "Operating a gigawatt-scale power system at 100% instantaneous renewable generation is a feat unparalleled worldwide".
An insight from the report into the current state of readiness .... "Power system modelling is a foundational pre-requisite in the transition to 100% renewable operation, including connecting and integrating new generation, planning the actions necessary to securely, reliably and affordably transition, and operationally navigating a series of increasingly complex operating conditions.
Current tools and capability will not be sufficient for AEMO to effectively model, with sufficient speed and accuracy, the range of phenomena and scenarios that will need be studied on the way to 100% renewable operation".
Worried yet?
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@PhilosophiesofTravel Fair enough, my apologies if I interpreted your intentions incorrectly. The way I came to arrive at my current position .... I am not a 'scientist' but do hold a Masters Degree in a technical discipline, what is unimportant. Point being the necessary skill to achieve that academic qualification was the ability to read a broad range of conflicting academic studies, understand both sides perspective, glean the key points, and then express an opinion based upon the strengths or weaknesses of the various positions. This disincline of understanding both sides of the debate first, before forming an opinion is just second nature and something I apply to most complex issues where differences of opinion exist. In simple terms I was formally trained to have an inquiring mind.
My interest in 'climate change' simply started after a visit to the Great Barrier Reef, finding it in vibrant condition wherever we went, yet at the same time the media and 'scientists' were telling the world the reef is only a few years away from total extinction. The two perspectives seemed irreconcilable. My initial inquires into the true health of the reef lead to the need to better understand the broader 'climate change' debate, but more importantly, that so called scientific organisations were prepared to lie in order to promote a manufactured narrative. Up until quite recently, the GBR marine authority had front and center on its website that coral bleaching was only a recent phenomena and only started in the 1970's (due to climate change). That was totally false (this claim has recently been removed). Numerous reef studies have identified at least 400 years of coral bleaching on various reefs across the globe, and the GBR authority would have know that. They can only go back 400 years being the oldest living corals from which to analyse growth rings.
Ask a school kid what causes the most damage to the reef. Expect the answer 'climate change'. The truth is cyclones, next is Crown of Thrones starfish. We don't even know if COT's are natural to the reef or a recent 'invader'. Ask the school child what causes coral bleaching. They'll answer again 'climate change'. Correct answer is rapidly escalating water temperature, mostly caused by an ENSO event. Corals can quite easily adapt to a gradually warming ocean, the water temperature on a Fiji coral reef is considerably higher the southern end of the GBR.
The more I've looked into matters, rather than achieve greater confidence in the current popular view of 'climate change' , I actually just discovered more and more false and misleading claims, and researchers acting like more like biased activists than open minded and objective scientists. That they take great offence if their finding are used by the 'enemy' is alone proof of their lack of objectivity. Then by the time the 'story' has been given the treatment by the left-wing media, whatever shred of scientific credibility it originally had has been tossed in the garbage bin. Hence you arrive at my current position to be VERY skeptical of claims by the climate change community, and basically be prepared to do your own research if you want to get some understanding of what is fact, what is unsubstantiated opinion, and what is total fiction .
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The IPCC is considered the official 'experts' and present the consensus scientific opinion.
So what do the "experts" really say?
"There is medium confidence that, in Mediterranean Europe, wildfires are decreasing owing to good practices (Brotons et al., 2013; Turco et al., 2014; Turco et al., 2016), despite the increasing hazard caused by increased drought frequency and severity (WGI Chapter 11; Pausas and Fernández-Muñoz, 2012; Karali et al., 2014; Fernandes et al., 2016; Turco et al., 2017b; Ruffault et al., 2018). There is low confidence in any trends on wildfire for the south Mediterranean due to the lack of attribution studies, limited monitoring of direct human interventions and also limited fuel availability in the southeast Mediterranean (Meddour-Sahar, 2015; Turco et al., 2017a; Curt et al., 2020)."
Source: SMCCP4.1 Detection and attribution of climate change impacts in the Mediterranean
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Assuming Donald may be unsuccessful in his legal challenges, rather than being 'nice and meek' the Republicans should immediately start planning to impeach 'President Biden'. They don't even need to invent a reason like the Democrats did to Donald, its all there on the 'laptop'. They just need to wait to get the House numbers in the next mid term election in 2022. Yes, that then makes Harris the President, and she will destroy the Democrat's chance of success again for years when people see the effect of the hard-lefts nonsense. With the Republicans having a wealth of talent to choose from in 2024 (Donald Jr, Mike Pence, Nike Haley, Mike Pompeo, etc, etc) compared to the bottom of the barrel candidates have to choose from, success for MANY years is assured.
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Nearly 7,000 reported cases in Australia, real number is probably doubt that. A significant number of real people in Australia with the virus, nothing to do with shutdowns, social distancing, or otherwise. The highest demographic that gets the virus is the under 50's, so about 4000 of the 7000 people will be under 50. BUT not a single local death in this group. And taken as a whole the under 50's aren't all that fit and healthy. Not one, ZERO, ZIP.
Remove the number of very old frail people from the count of 93 who have currently died (a number not easy to determine, why?) and what is the number of deaths from the 7000 who were relatively ok for their age? 5?, 10?
Either Australian's possess some unique natural constitution to defeat the virus, or this has to be the biggest beat-up in Australian history. Take your pick.
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@ianenglish123 Boy, you really like to spruik Labor's talking points i.e "LNP did nothing in 10 years" when it comes to energy. Try sticking to facts, strange I know, but lets try that novel idea.
No matter what energy initiative the LNP proposed when in office, if it didn't have the blessing of Labor or The Greens it couldn't get up because Labor and Greens had the numbers in the Senate. A new hi-tech coal plant, rejected. The Kurri Kurri gas plant, got up after years of being blocked. Nuclear power, rejected. The only thing that could get through the Labor controlled Senate was renewables related.
If Australia is now in an energy mess, which it is, it is ALL the fault of Labor, both State and Federal. Those are the the facts, no matter how hard that dim witted Albanese trying to spin it.
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@dorianshadesofgray You could plant trees on every spare inch of available piece of land on the planet, and go nowhere near achieving net-zero emissions. It requires commercial aircraft without jet engines, ships powered by a yet to be discovered energy source, long-haul trucks the same, carbon-capture and storage to suck CO2 out of the atmosphere on a massive scale (a technology yet to be developed), complete changes in food systems, the elimination of farm animals, (everyone becoming a vegan), new technologies for making steel, pretty much eliminating cement the basis of the most widely used building material in the world, concrete,and on and on it goes.
The International Energy Agency recently released a report outlining what would be required. People should read it to realize just how much of a con the whole notion is.
https://www.iea.org/reports/net-zero-by-2050
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@frenchprovincial9602 Instead of their constant patronizing lecturing and talking down to people like we are all inferior morons (which I'm sure they believe) they (we) would be far better served by information that is off practical value. Example: they constantly say the vast majority of cases are inter-family. Good, we all get that. But just EXACTLY where are the remaining infections occurring? Zero useful information. Not the name of the place, the TYPE of place e.g supermarket, delivery driver coming to home, work environment, etc, etc, etc, If people are accurately informed, they can make good decisions.
They don't have to know 100%, just their best assessment of the TYPE of places. It's like they deliberately don't want to inform people, so they can maintain a fear and paranoia over everything. That is such a poor and flawed methodology in risk management. Focus on the important, less so on the unimportant. Like if next to no one is catching covid in supermarkets, then heavy handed enforcement over mask wearing is a rather pointless health exercise. It is no more than a rather ineffective compliance exercise.
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Throughout history, governments have ALWAYS been restricted by what people are willing to accept. Exceed that threshold and people revolt. So just sitting around on the internet complaining, thinking the government should be more reasonable, etc, etc, will achieve absolutely NOTHING! If government is overreaching, there is only one lot to blame, and that is the public.
If you don't agree with these restrictions, then demonstrate your displeasure by simply ignoring them. There is nothing they can do. If Gladys tries to do a heavy handed police crackdown Dan Andrews style, the political backlash will be short and sharp. She might have been able to get away with a heavy handed approach in the first days of the 'pandemic' when people really didn't know what was going on, but not now.
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@margaretarmstrong2445 Very good points. One thing worth adding is the concept of 'synchronous' generation, either through ignorance or deliberately, it'll only even be mentioned in technical circles as a problem with renewables.
Only gas, coal, and hydro are synchronous generators i.e. large heavy spinning rotors. With a 100 years of knowledge, beyond just basic electricity generation, these types of generators provide a time proven cost effect solution to technical aspects of a major grid e.g. inertia, frequency control, reactive power.
Wind and solar, relying on inverters, are NOT of themselves synchronous generators. Therefor more complex hardware needs to be added into the grid e.g. synchronous condensers, to make up for this technical shortcoming. The more dispersed the renewables generators (they are all over the place), the more technical, complex, and uncertain the grid becomes.
Even the Australian market regulator acknowledges, what Australia is proposing to have in place by 2030 is a world first and full of technical challenges and major uncertainties. By their own admission, they have no idea what problems they will encounter, and currently have neither the knowledge or tools to design in theory this new grid only 7 years, let alone actual implement it and operate it successfully.
We are truly being pushed by inept government and media up the proverbial 'creek without a paddle'.
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"Covid may become a bit like the flu". Is this woman serious making such a stupid statement. Covid 19 has killed a recorded 900 Australians, most in aged care. Influenza and its main complication viral pneumonia kill on average around 4,000 Australians each and EVERY year. Again mostly in aged care, but also otherwise healthy young people and children. The long term effect for some people from Influenza include heart disease, downs syndrome in unborn children, lung disease, multiple sclerosis, liver and kidney disease, diabetes, blood diseases, etc. Lets hope covid NEVER becomes "a bit like the flu". Stupid imbecile.
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I watch the full press conferences most days. The "communication message" is so bad I wonder how these people could have achieved anything in politics, even getting picked for pre-selection.
If they want to get people to alter specific behaviors, simply present a list of location types eg. supermarket, public transport, family home, etc, etc .... and show beside each the number of cases where the virus was caught there.
What is it likely to show ... supermarket 0, public transport 0, gym (if they were open) 0, coffee shop 0, family home 100+, relatives home 100+. But then that would just bust the myth that face masks in supermarkets and forcing gyms and cafes into bankruptcy are just pointless exercises. Can't have that.
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@npg192 I agree 7,9,10, are not even worth watching, and the only time I ever do is because the wife was watching one of em and I walk in and sit down. I watch a tiny bit of ABC, just enough till to remind me what they are about and till I get the shits with their endless slamming their politics down my throat, and I mostly flip around between SkyNews, Fox News, SkyNews UK, BBC World. There is two right wing biased stations, and two left wing, covering Australia, Europe, and the USA.
If you asked me which I think is the best, I will say Fox News. Yes they are conservative biased, solely US focused. But the presenters are vastly more professional and the variety of people interviewed is greater than the others, by a 'country mile' .... IMO.
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@petrufrenc576 I've taken an interest in how some of the reasonable well know personalities have gone since it became public they had the virus. Peter Dutton, the Federal Minister, age 49 did a video interview after returning home from hospital. Seemed a fairly fit and wirey character normally. Said he felt fine. Richard Wilkins TV personality, age 65, only initially got tested because he'd been in close contact interviewing Tom Hank's wife. Had zero symptoms but tested positive. Looks a reasonably fit character for his age. Several days after being diagnosed, said felt good, and only symptom was a 'tickle in the back of his throat'. Guy who was taken of the boat that pulled in to Sydney recently, being interviewed in hospital. Don't know his age, maybe late 50's and he looked just average fitness. Said he was ok, but bad headaches and crawly skin.
Just a small sample of 3 people, but no one reporting any significant problems..
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No Father Frank, the yes case would NOT be travelling better if more detail about how the voice would work had been released. To quote the full original Paul Keating comment "Vote no if you don't know, and you most certainly will if you do know".
What half-whit would vote for imposing permanently on the Australian democratic system an unelected collective of self appointed radical activists, effective a 'House of Lords', with the Constitutional power to take to the courts, funded by Australian taxpayers, ANY decision of the Parliament, Ministers, or Public Servants they don't like. A "third chamber of Parliament", that can never be abolished, about the only thing Malcolm Turnbull got right.
THAT is the key detail.
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@tanyabrown9839 You really need to stick to facts. There are around 500,000 people in aged care in the UK. There have currently been 35,000 deaths in the UK of people who died with Covid-19. NOT 250,000 plus which would be 50% of people in aged care homes. If you take the reported half the deaths being aged care residents it works out to 3.5% of residents, which is consistent with numbers reported widely for such an age group.
In England alone, 30,000 people die each and every year from Influenza and its associated viral phenomena. 100,000 people a year die who had Influenza at the time of death. This is just England, not the whole UK.
And another fact. Influenza comes in a sharp peak, just like Covid-19. Most deaths occur in just 2 months of a typical 4 month 'season'.
In pointing out that Covid-19 is a corona virus like the common cold (which every man and his dog knows), rather than come across as intelligent it just makes you look condescending and stupid.
Perhaps you want to try and explain Singapore. Nearly 29,000 reported cases of Covid-19, and 22 deaths. That's a death rate less than the number usually quoted for Influenza. Could it be Singapore has a wonder drug they are not telling the world? Perhaps Singaporeans have a unique 'constitution'? Or could it just be that like everything the Singapore government does, they have prevented the virus getting into their aged care sector, and they also accurately identify and report people who have truly died from Covid-19.
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@tanyabrown9839 And a new strain of Influenza could potentially kill 50% of aged care people in the high care section. If you know anything about aged care, I'll assume not and that makes you fortunate, there is a vast different between the general health in the low and high care sections.
If for a second you think the Singapore government do ANYTHING not by the letter, then all that shows is you've never dealt with them, or even have a general understanding of what set Singapore apart from just about every other Asian country. Of worked extensively in Singapore. They would have to be the most precise, non corrupt, transparent government in the WORLD. Their number are correct, to six decimal places.
Want to use Australian numbers fine. 7000 reported cases, actually will be significantly higher (how much unknown). One person under 50 has died. Two under 60, the rest quite elderly and most in nursing homes. To my knowledge ALL had one or more serious comobidities. That is NOT a disease that should even in the slightest concern normal health people. In fact it should be encouraged that normal health people get it, as this is the only way the vulnerable in nursing home will eventually be reasonably safe and be able have visitors. Keeping them locked away indefinitely in the last day, months of their life is tantamount to torture.
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All that was required to be able to make reasonable decisions, right from day one, was a computer, Google, and a lot of spare time. The necessary science on viral pandemics was always available, before covid was even thought of.
The lack of effectiveness of masks, known for 30 years of scientific study into influenza. That vaccines don't stop the spread of viral infections, also know for years e.g. chicken pox, whooping cough, etc, etc, etc.... And regarding what early video footage coming out of Wuhan implied, people dropping like flies in the street, hospitals being built in a matter of days ..... half a brain was all that was necessary to know that was pure propaganda BS.
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