Comments by "Paul Aiello" (@paul1979uk2000) on "EU Coronavirus Negotiations Explained: How Leaders Broke EU Deadlock - TLDR News" video.

This is how the EU does these kinds of big deal, the hard ones that normally wouldn't get an agreement in most case, the EU does it different as in that they lock them all in a room, they don't feed them and don't let them have any sleep until they come up with an agreement, in the end, they get so tired that they forget what they agreed too lol. This is why these deals always look tough, but they always find a way through it and got to give the EU and it's members credit, most other countries around the world would likely fail on these kinds of deals which says a lot about diplomacy in the EU and it's members and that is always a good thing to see.
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True and in the long run, those two countries could get very isolated by all the others if they are not careful and that will make it more difficult for them to get what they want. The Dutch point of view is easy to understand, they don't want the countries down south to get reckless with the money which they do have form on doing that, I also understand the point of view from the countries down south, they need help and need it now, but Poland and Hungary are setting themselves up for getting the boot out of the EU if they don't clean up their act as respect for democracy and the rule of law is one thing the EU and its other members hold dear but the EU is smart about these things, leaders come and go and they can afford to wait it out with those two countries but if they continue to go on their path with other leaders, there is a real risk of them being booted out of the EU or money being frozen, the EU and it's members will allow them to go so far but there are limits before they really get tough on them if needed. In any case, I like to think that Poland and Hungary will change but we should remember that they are still new to all this democracy thing and are still finding their feet on that so a bit of leeway is fine by me.
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@rosh3000 That's fair enough but that isn't as easy to do with the EU, you have so many different countries, different languages and all that, but I do think in the long run, the EU needs to go pan-European with elections, political parties and all that trying to win our votes all over the EU, the problem is now, too many see things from a lens in their own country and not pan-European, that is what really needs to change to have more democracy in all this.
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@dariusgunter5344 No countries are going to attack any modern countries, they would be crazy to even think it never mind do it, the damage that can be done from both sides would be crazy, that's why pretty much every war after world war two has been with countries that can't fight back, never with any modern countries, besides, the new tool of warfare is economics. Basically, nobody really wins if a major war was to break out, especially with modern countries.
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@dariusgunter5344 The people are always the problem in any system, just look at what is going on in the UK or the US, those governments are a reflection of the voting patterns of the people, it's easy for people to deflect, but they tend to be the real problem in a lot of cases. As for Poland and Hungary, as for which direction they go, that is up to the people to decide, the EU can help them out but the people have to want that help, we should also remember that these countries are new to democracy so mistakes were going to be made, the EU is fine with that but if things continue to get worse, I suspect much stronger measures will be used on those two countries, maybe even giving them the boot. What I do think needs to happen is the rules need to change, money that goes to them should be reduced or stripped down, even political say in the EU should be reduced but I think the EU might be doing the right thing for now and waiting to see if the people rise up to change things in those countries themselves, if they don't then the EU will likely get much tougher on them, if the EU did that now, the governments of those countries will use that to turn the people in those countries against the EU, the EU knows how to play this game, getting too tough with them now will only likely backfire but getting tough with them once people in those countries start to realize how bad things are going in those countries is the right time to strike, basically, let them have their way for now, it will do some economic damage but that is what will likely change things. The EU does this smart, look at Brexit, have you noticed how the EU goes after the government but not the people? They always like to keep the public onside and that's smart because now they are making the UK government look stupid whiles support among Brits is growing for wanting to rejoin the EU, it's a careful fine line in going after the government without the government turning it's own people on the EU which they will if they can but the EU is making it hard for them to do.
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@petersebok9284 Hardly lol, I think you assume inaction as weakness, the Europeans are more than strong enough to defend themselves if they want, they just don't like to boost about it because they've had a long history of wars and quite frankly, they had enough of them, but inaction isn't weakness and beside, look how the US is becoming like the Europe of old, they could be repeating the aggressiveness of Europeans of old. In any case, no modern country is at risk, highly advanced, adaptable with the resources to boot, it would be crazy for any modern country to go to war in this day and age.
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@robyclay Really, so explain why the EU countries have just done a bailout that most of the money goes to the countries in the south? Explain why a lot of development funds go to eastern countries to help develop them? Does that sound like mobster rule to you, if you look at the EU and all the countries that joined it, the EU has an impressive record in developing countries over time. I do find it remarkable how ungrateful some can be, it's like they expect all this money and resources without any strings attached, fortunately, most know better and don't see the EU as mobster rule, but it does beg the question, who is feeding you all this bullshit lol.
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@robyclay Don't make me laugh, the EU helps any country that isn't keeping up or any developing one as they join the EU regardless of where they are from. The immigration issue is something else entirely and yes I agree that I think the EU countries need to work together but the problem on that is that the EU has limited power in those areas and EU members are bickering over silly things, if the EU had more powers in those areas, the immigration issues would be far less of a problem, so basically, don't blame the EU, blame many of the members that are bickering because that is where the real problem is, the EU could actually be the solution if the members get onboard. Also, at the end of the day, a big part of the mess in many of those countries was made by the US and UK, they destabilized a lot of those regions and EU countries are having to clean up the mess they did whiles the likes of the UK and US wash their hands of the problem.
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@rjfaber1991 Politics shouldn't really be about being exciting, it should be about policies that work and make things better for the people. In the case of the EU, they always seem to find a way around obstacles that I suspect a lot of other countries would fail on and I have to give the EU credit, they seem to always find a way, after all, just after the second world war, they would have thought we was crazy if we said we had a union like we do today, it goes to show what can be done if enough political will is there to make it happen. It will be interesting to see how the EU develops now the UK is out of it, probably more integration, especially the Euro Zone countries.
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In truth, democracy should be slow, everything should be done with careful consideration in how it impacts people of one group or another, The EU can be slow but I see that as a good thing for democracy, but they can also be fast if needed. We should also remember, the EU as an organization was never going to be fast, you have 27 members, each with votes and a veto as well as direct elections in the European Parliament, it's actually remarkable how well it works considering all the different groups of people but the EU does show us one thing, if they can do it, I suspect any groups of people around the world could come together if they tried hard enough and in the case of Europe, it took the second world war to wake us up to that.
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@JeroenDoes That's because it's not an easy problem to solve, on the one hand you can't let them all in without doing damage to ourselves but on the other, we can't really turn our backs on them as that isn't the right thing to do, the best solution is to help the regions that they are coming from, help them become more stable and help to build their economies but that takes a lot of time and resources. As for the 2008 crisis, a lot of countries including the US didn't fully recover from that, why do you think we got the Brexit movement? the Trump movement? and so on, these are a reflection that people are not happy with how things have gone over the last 10 years, for all the boosting by the UK and US governments about how well the economy and unemployment numbers are, a lot of those people in those countries are not feeling that and feel they are getting left behind. It's going to get a lot worse after this pandemic, especially for the US and UK that have made a right mess on this and in the case of the UK, they have Brexit to deal with on top of everything else and lets not forget that the UK have done cuts in almost every sector of the economy for almost 10 years now, that is hardly recover from the crisis of 2008, the US isn't much better, cuts have been made all over the place. The truth is, we've not recovered from that yet and now we have it a lot worse because of this pandemic, the next 5 to 10 years is going to be really tough for many, especially once government support dries up, in any case, I'm not worried about the Europeans, they seem to be doing a much better job on this pandemic and opening up much better than the US and UK are doing, I'm more worried with what is going on in the UK and especially the US and if a second wave hits which could seem likely in the US, the damage of that on lives and the economy would be crazy.
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@dariusgunter5344 They could but that isn't the EU way, they are very diplomatic on these things, it's actually a big part of its success. But I do think Euro Zone countries should go it's own way, integrate more and have more benefits for themselves then the wider EU, countries in the Euro Zone are more likely to want that than countries out of it, basically, that will likely happen if the likes of Poland or Hungary try to stop progress in the EU, the others will end up side lining them.
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@rjfaber1991 I doubt it really matters much, both those countries are too small to matter and in truth, Russia wouldn't likely hold onto them for long because of the people in those countries, it's easy for the government to want things to go in one direction, it's another thing getting the people onboard. Basically, as things start to get worse in those countries because of the governments, the people will likely turn on them, the EU doesn't need to rock the boat on that when their own people will do it for them and beside, the EU is smart enough to know how to play this game, the last thing they want to do is have the people in those countries to turn on the EU because the governments in those countries will use every trick in the book to do just that, the UK is a prime example of how the EU targets the government but leaves the people out of it and it's working because support among Brits is growing in wanting to rejoin the EU, if the EU was hostile and it was seen against the people, no chance would support grow and it's the same game being played out in those other 2 countries, keep the people onside and target the government as that is where the real problem is.
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@markdickson3820 Exactly that, the EU is there to help them but not impose it's values on them, it's up to them to decide on that and in the end, both countries have too much to lose by the alternative to the EU, all the EU has to do is give them warning signs of what's going on and let the people in those countries bring their own government down once the penny drops and they realize what the governments in those 2 countries are trying to do, it won't be easy but sometimes people have to find out the hard way.
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@11Survivor And an economy that blows them away.
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@rjfaber1991 That's true but considering what is at stake here, it's unlikely they will block it, maybe ask for a few small amendments but that's about it, even in a democracy, common sense tends to override rights or wrongs or if a deal is perfect or not and it's not that different from other countries with parliaments or a senate where they do have free will to decide on these things but it can look really bad if they block it or are being stubborn on it, especially considering the need for this rescue package.
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