Comments by "Paul Aiello" (@paul1979uk2000) on "Can Europe Cope with Orban's Landslide Victory? - TLDR News" video.

  1. It depends, I think Poland might have to give up on Hungary because sooner or later, it's only a matter of time before the EU and it's members say enough is enough already and find a way to kick them both out if they don't get their act together. After all, we don't honestly think the EU and its democratic countries are going to allow authoritarian governments to stay in the EU long term do we? Sooner or later, their actions are going to end up leading to them getting the boot from the EU, maybe even from NATO in the case of Hungary. As for how to do it, well clearly as long as Poland and Hungary keep backing each other up on the veto, the EU and many of it's members will not allow other eastern European countries to join the EU, something both Poland and Hungary really want, they are the main obstacle to that, also, the EU won't expend eastward until some big reforms on the EU are done in areas of veto and majority voting, if that doesn't work, the last major option they could do is all the EU members except Poland and Hungary could move ahead with it's own integration, a bit like the with the Euro which would weaken the ones on the outside of that, it could even get to the point where the members in the EU leave this project and reinvent the EU which in a sense kicks both Poland and Hungary out by default. Either way, both Poland and Hungary are not safe and there are going to be a lot of pressure on them to get their act together, not just in the EU but likely even from the US. We should also remember that Poland and Hungary are more or less mirroring the authoritarian style of government we see in Russia, it's up to the people in both countries to see why that is a real problem for them both and in the case of Poland, there might be real hope of change but I think Hungary is a lost cause and should be pushed out of both the EU and NATO unless the people in that country rise up against the government which seems unlikely.
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  2.  @madmanwithmasck  I think in time, the EU will kick Hungary out or give them an ultimatum to change or get the boot. Some will say the EU can't do that because of the legal system but there are always ways around that if it comes to the crunch. Either way, let's not kid ourselves, the EU isn't going to let a country stay in the union that is sliding on democracy, the EU's main fault is that it should have got a lot tougher with both Hungary and Poland a long time ago, nip these things in the bud before it gets out of hand. On the plus side, the people of Hungary and Poland are strongly in favour of staying in the EU, if push comes to shove, the people of their own countries could push out the current government, but yeah, it's high time the EU gets much tougher on them because they are the main obstacle on why Ukraine and many other countries can't join the EU because there's little hope of EU members letting new members in until they sort out Hungary, Poland and reform the EU, France have been quite clear on that as other members have.
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  3.  @peterkereszthury9998  If it was just conservative and anti progression, that wouldn't be a problem, but clearly it's a lot more than that by taking control over the media, the court system and so on, that isn't a democracy which in time will lead to them being kicked out of the EU and maybe even NATO. Either way, Ukraine wants to join the EU, so does many other eastern European countries, the EU won't let those countries in and many members have said they will block them until Hungary and Poland stops back sliding on democracy as well as some reforms that are needed at an EU level to prevent this from happening again. Think about it logically, why would the EU allow more countries in only to create more problems like we are seeing in Hungary and Poland? They won't, that is on permanent hold until Hungary and Poland are sorted out or kicked out of the EU and after that, some reforms at an EU level to prevent this from happening again, then they will be more open to allowing other countries in the EU but for now, there's very little chance of any country joining in the short term and the irony is, the real blame goes on those two countries that want the EU to expand.
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