Comments by "Paul Aiello" (@paul1979uk2000) on "Why Is America So Bad At Public Health?" video.
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The US and UK are coming out of this really badly, the US government have shown a massive level of incompetents that it keeps trying to deflect blame in the hope that something sticks, that is unlikely to happen as the problem is clear to see and that is mostly at a governmental level, especially when it comes to Republicans at government and governor levels, they have a lot to answer to on this one the dust settles.
In the UK it's a bit different but the problems have been more long term with the Conservative Party, for one, they did 10 years of austerity measure that cut the budget down a lot on the NHS service, two, they had Brexit to deal with which was mostly a Tory vanity project and three, they've been way too slow on this virus, so much so that we had weeks advanced warning from the likes of Italy and others and yet now the UK is on the verge of being the worse hit in Europe with the US the worse hit in the world.
There are no excuses for these two governments, this is not something they are going to be able to spin and shove under the carpet in the hope we forget about it, this is likely going to do a lot of damage to both governments and countries with how the rest of the world see them.
As for Europe, they are partly to blame as well, they could have reacted faster on this but to be fair to them, the virus hit them first among western countries and likely thought like with SAAR's that it wouldn't happen in the west, also the impact was likely to hit hard in the EU countries because they get by far the most tourist around the world which is perfect for a virus, still I give a lot of European countries credit, they are dealing with this a lot better than the UK and US are doing in many areas but the real star of the show is the Asian countries, they took it serious and are benefiting from that now.
Another flaw we have seen, a lot of infighting in the US from the government to US states and mix messages being sent out to the public, it isn't helping anyone, in the EU, we've seen the flaw where the EU has limited powers in how it can help it's members here and that is mostly because euroseptics wanted everything to be done at a national level, well they paid the price on that once because at a time when more cooperation was needed, you got members being petty and more or less doing what US states were doing, it also does suggest that Europeans need more integration so the EU can help it's members and people out more effectively after this.
Us in the west need to hold our governments to account and ask some real tough questions, especially in the US and UK that had weeks of warning on this but did very little, it also will be interesting to see how the world turns out after the next 5 years because it's not going to be business as usual like some like to think, big changes are on their way.
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@habi0187 It depends, like the UK for instance, the UK public wanted a lock down before the government did one and the public wanted a tougher lock down then what the government did, now polls are going around where 80% of the public don't think the time is right to open up.
I'm not sure what it's like in other European countries but considering their social nature, I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers are around the same for most.
The US seems to be the odd one out that seems to think the government is out to take away their freedoms, add on the extra pressure that the US government isn't doing enough to support the people and it's easy to see where the real problem is.
In Europe, we don't like the lock down but we understand it, most of us are seeing it as a kind of long holiday at home, we're not seeing much of this rampant paranoia that's kicking off in the US and it makes me wonder what on earth is going on in the US because from the outside, it looks like a civil war is brewing, Trump doesn't help with his mixed signals he keeps telling people.
In any case, a lot of mistakes have been done on this, a lot needs to be learned from this, especially in the west but in the case of the US and UK, they are coming out of this not looking very good to the rest, especially because these two countries had weeks more time to prepare for this than many European countries and that looks really bad being as the US is the worse hit in the world and the UK is on the verge of being the worse hit in Europe, it shows a massive amount of incompetents on both governments.
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@habi0187 From a UK perspective, the UK handled this crisis quite badly, the government was slow on almost everything and it was only because of public pressure that a lock down happened because the government give the impression they didn't want a lock down but was forced to do one by the public, anyway, a survey was dome a few days ago and about 80% of the public supports the lock down being continued, maybe we haven't all lost the plot in the UK with things like Brexit lol, which by the way I didn't support as I think it was crazy for the UK to leave the EU.
The US to me looks like a mess, you've got Trump that seems to care more about the economy, his re-election bid and saying all sorts of crazy stuff that doesn't make sense, then you've got US states that are doing their own thing with no boarder controls and then we see all the rampant paranoia that is going on where many Americans think the US government is attacking them lol, it's crazy to see and I agree with you, the US is failing in so many areas on this crisis that it looks like a failed state.
To think we thought in Europe we had problems with the EU, it's members and all the petiteness that's been going on but looking at what we are seeing in the US, it kinda looks like they have far more problems than we have in Europe.
As a Brit, I wonder if this crisis will have a shift on public mood in the UK, after all, this is a massive wake up call for us in the UK and for the rest of Europe, it will be interesting to see views on the EU project after all this.
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@habi0187 The thing is, if we were to listen to the euroseptics, you'll think the EU is on it's knees and going to fall apart, they've been saying that for decades and yet it never seems to happen, wanting something to happen and it happening are two very different things and clearly they don't understand that, especially British euroseptics which are very different compared to European euroseptics.
As a Brit, I agree with you 100% with what you said about the UK leaving, they never wanted to be part of the project, hence all the op-outs and have held the project back and even thought I am English, I wouldn't have a problem Scotland and Northern Ireland braking away from the UK and re-joining the EU because the real problem in the UK is England it's self, too many are still living in the past of glory days and a hard reality is needed to set that right.
Personally, if I was the EU, I wouldn't let the UK back in and the best I would give them is single market and custom union access, that way they can't meddle in the political side of the project and the UK should never be let back in until these things happen, one is the governments in the UK become more balanced on the EU, two, the media becomes more balanced on the EU and three, the public become better informed on what the EU is and what it does because most Brits know very little about it and what they do know is mostly disinformation, most of which is lies being spread by the right wing in the country.
It might sound harsh, especially with the hard times ahead with the economic fallout from this virus but us Brits need to learn this lesson the hard way because too many have been reckless and if it makes them feel any better, they can always join the single market and custom union, that would limit the economic damage a lot but whatever the EU does, don't let the UK back into the political side of the project until the UK really changes for the better.
As you can tell, I'm not the typical Brit, I look at rights and wrongs and what is in our interest and not in what side I'm on and I see the EU project as being in all our interest in Europe if we want to protect our political and economic interest as well as social standards in a world that we have the US and a rising China, Europeans need to stand together if we are to stand any real chance on that.
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@habi0187 I don't have a problem with the UK being in the single market and custom union, that would more or less offer the same benefits they get as an EU member but without any political say in how the project is run, in other words, the UK becomes a vassal state and the sad thing is, that might be the best the UK can hope for now, especially now because the UK is going to need all the help it can get with the economic fallout from this virus and the hard times is likely going to push the US to get more aggressive on the UK when it comes to a trade deal.
The UK are in a really bad position with 10 years austerity measures, Brexit and now the economic fallout from this virus, I don't think people are going to realize how hard things are going to get in the near future.
As for Italy, I'm not worried about them, they'll get all the help that's needed from the EU and it's members once the countries stop complaining, but Italy needs to change as well, other countries in the Euro zone don't have a problem helping Italy and others out just as long as those countries help themselves out by reforming, otherwise 10, 20 years from now, they are going to want another bail-out, help is at hand for those countries, but they've got to want to help themselves out.
The irony is, the Euro is the only thing that's kept Italy from falling apart, that keeps confidence in the country and investment flowing in, if they didn't have the Euro, a lot of investments would likely pull out of the country because for now, Italy is backed by a strong Euro which is backed by many other countries and that's why they are unlikely to leave, self-interest basically, now don't get me wrong, change is needed for the EU and all the EU members and that is likely to happen once the dust settles on this virus because this is a massive wake up call for us all that we need to do better, to work better together.
As for Scotland and Northern Ireland, I suspect they are both going to put a lot of pressure on the UK government for more resources and money, they likely know they can get away with it with a strong movement to want to leave the UK, the UK government can't afford to not bend over backwards for them, who will get it in the neck is the north part of England which is ironic as that is the strong base on Brexit, one thing I do know, most of the resources will be kept down south of England like it always is and more so with the economic hard times ahead so the northern part of England, the part that voted for Brexit the most is likely going to face some real hard times ahead, but then they did vote for it.
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