Comments by "Paul Aiello" (@paul1979uk2000) on "Britain's Fish Capital Voted To Leave The EU — Now They Want It Back (HBO)" video.

  1. It would be crazy for the EU to offer the same advantages EU members get to a none EU member, it would also make other EU members wonder why they need the EU at all, in the end, the EU is one of the most open free trade deals in the world, nothing else really comes close to it and it's almost as open over it's members as internal trade is within a country is. Thats something the UK doesn't want to miss out on and the EU will ask a high price for the UK to continue to enjoy that, more or less EU membership in name only but without any say in EU policy whiles having to abide most of it's rules, either that or any other option is going to be much worse then what we have in the EU.
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  2. Pretty much everything the UK goverments said since Brexit is more or less wanting it's cake to eat and the EU rejecting it, it's like the UK goverment thinks the EU should accomodate the UK and change to give the UK everything it wants which seems to be everything the EU offers but without any of the cost, crazy really but it explains why the UK is going nowhere fast with these talks. In the end, I suspect once all the huffing and puffing from our goverment is over with, we will end up in the single market and custom union or something that amounts to that under a diffrent name, it seems to be the only way to limit the damage of Brexit whiles protecting the Irish boarder and services, so far after two years, no other plan seems to work realisticlly, in any case, it does beg the question, if we stay in both of them, then why not just stay in the EU, at least we would have a say in all the rules then because the way things are going, the UK is going to end up a rule taker and not maker.
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  3. Sany, it's not 40 billion, it's likely to be more then that and as for why we likely will pay it is because it's in our intrest to do so to get better terms, got to think of the long term picture, 40 billion or so is a drop in the ocean if it means us having good trading terms with the EU. As for the EU, it's not a failed experiment, flawed maybe and it clearly needs some reforms over the next 10 years, in all honesty, I'm supprised how well it works with all the diffrent countries in it and it's clear they all want it to work but are not happy with the current set up. As for the countries you mentioned, Ireland and Spain have been a big success story, as for Italy and Greece, most of the problems they face are down to the national goverment not the EU and they really need some real reforms done, remember that Germany 20 years ago was the sick man of Europe but they didn't complain or blame others, they did the reforms needed to get back on it's feets, Italy wasted all thoes years and so did Greece, it's easy to blame others for there own problems but odds are the problems in thoes countries would be worse if it wasn't for the EU. Even the UK always blames the EU for it's own problems, the mirgrants issue is a prime example of that, the UK was the first to open it's doors to the eastern members when Germany and France warned the UK to not do at the time but the UK did it anyway, then the UK like all EU members had the power to kick out people from the EU that didn't find work after 3 months, the UK was one of the few that didn't use that, also, immagration is higher from outside the EU then inside the EU to the UK and we've always had full power over that, don't you see a pattern? Our own goverment is the real issue, they didn't do anything when they could but complained about it anyway, what makes you think Brexit will solve that when the truth is, they wanted cheap labour and that will likely continue after Brexit, in fact even more likely just to try and compete. In other words, a lot of the issues EU members face, the EU doesn't have the power to do much if anything about and yet EU members and people seem to think they do, national goverments have the power in that but many didn't use them or didn't do the real reforms needed, in any event, it's always easier to blame others for ones problems then look into the mirror, the UK have been doing that with the EU for decades so it's nothing new.
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  4. Well no because EU members can trade with the rest of the world and trade more or less whatever they want, in fact the EU have a lot of bilataral deals in place that lowers tariffs with the likes of the US to something like 3% for most goods. This is the reality of it, the UK doesn't do a great job with trade with the outside world because we don't have enough of what others want, now compare that to the likes of Germany, France and many others that does far better then the UK with trade with the rest of the world, the EU isn't the problem, the UK is. As for UK trade with the EU, we are always going to trade with the EU members the most even with a hard Brexit, the fact is most countries trade the most with close countries because it makes economic sense to do so then with countries miles away. In any case, the UK have not given the EU a realistic plan on Brexit, everything seem to revole around having a cake to eat or cherry picking a deal, the EU wont accept that because that would be like having the benefits of EU membership without the cost which would be crazy, but even to this day, the UK goverment keeps pushing that, it's crazy and also explain why we are getting nowhere fast, unless the UK goverment gets a reality check, the EU will keep rejecting all the plans the UK keeps sending them and the UK doesn't want that because hard Brexit would be really damaging dor the UK. I suspect once all the huffing and puffing from the UK is over with and the clock keeps ticking down, the UK will bend like we have so many times, everything is pointing to the single market and custom union being the best offer on the table and so far the leave side can't seem to come up with a better plan thats workable and boy are they trying hard to do but too many of them are sold with unicorns and just get rejected as pie in the sky.
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  5. Well it's quite simply really, the EU said the UK can have a Canada style deal but the problem is that that deal is not good enough and would do a lot of damage to the UK, we should remember that free trade deals are anything but free, the EU market is one of the only ones that could be said to be truly free and very close to how trade is done internally inside a country. This is why the UK needs a far better deal then what Canada got and I should point out, Canada and other countries around the world would love to have the same access to the EU market that the UK currently enjoys. In other words, the benefits of EU membership are far more then a simply free trade aggrement which is anything but free to begin with and it's also the reason why many countries are willing to put so much into the EU pot because the benefits they get out of it are worth it. Also, a Canada style deal doesn't solve the Irish boarder, it also doesn't solve services which make up most of the UK economy, in the end, it's looking like the UK is going to end up in the single market and custom union or something like that under a diffrent name because no matter how much we try, we can't figure out a way of doing a deal that wont harm the UK a lot and staying in both of them would limit the damage even thought we would have no say in EU rules but would have to abide them, that might be a price we have to pay for signing Article 50 in such a rush.
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  6. Unionist, I remember my brother saying years ago when he worked at Safeway and they had many Polish workers there, I think this was early on when Poland join the EU, anyway, I remember him saying many of the natives didn't like them being there because they ware harder workers and more productive overall and it made the rest look bad, it didn't bother my brother because he always picked well above his figure anyway but it's clear to see from that and many other reports that the UK have a big productivaty problem, the Germans produce more in 4 days then we do in 5, is it us being lazy? I don't know, it might be but it also might be other things like the set up we have in this country.
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  7. The thing is that we already trade with the rest of the world, many of the leavers in the UK make it seem like we can only trade with the EU or the rest of the world, the reality is that we just do a bad job trading with the rest of the world compared to the likes of Germany which does better. Also, the UK is a very service based economy, I don't think any free trade deal covers that apart from what we have in the EU, worse yet is that the EU have around 60 or so free trade deals around the world and around 600 bilataral agreements in place, the UK stands to not really gain anything with it's own deals and in fact is likely to lose out because we don't have the economic muscle like the EU to get better term, economic size matters a lot in getting what you want and the EU have that, the UK doesn't. As for the EU, I suspect they want us to leave but to keep us close to them, in other words, keep us in there orbit so we have to abide all it's rules, laws and regulations but without any say in them, that is very likely going to happen because as crazy as it sounds, that might be the best deal we can get now, the rest for the UK is just buying time to figure out a way out of this mess whiles limiting the damage done but the real damage was done the moment we signed Article 50 because the EU got what it really wants which is the UK out of EU policy making decisions.
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  8. I suspect the EU will give the UK crumbs not a cake and as for Straw, well if the UK didn't want anything from the UK then why not just leave?, the reality is that the UK wants the same deal they have with the EU and there is a price to pay for that, if they want a Canada style deal, the EU is happy to give that with no payment but that deal is far worse then what they have now so we're screwed whichever deal we have, all are worse then staying in the EU.
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  9. Jason, the EU is just doing what they said they would do right from the start, this shouldn't be a supprise to anyone, at the end of the day, why should a non EU member have the same benefits that a EU members got?, because thats what the UK seems to want and why the EU keeps saying no to us. We in the UK need to stop with all this cake and eat it and trying to cherry pick a deal because the EU isn't buying it, so that leaves us with very limited options, hard Brexit is already clearly ruled out, staying in the EU is more or less ruled out unless the UK is willing to give 1 or 2 things up for that, the only realy options we have is a Canada style deal which would do a lot of harm to the UK or single market and/or custom union, thats the best way to limit the damage but it will also mean us having little to no say in EU policy making, that might be the price we have to pay for rushing to sign Article 50 when we didn't need too, in any case, we are worse off which ever deal we pick now. As for the fish, we really do need to sell to Europe because of the shelf life of fish, we can try and sell further upfield but most of thoes markets are likely to give us less money for it or thoes markets already have enough fish, so if we don't sell to Europe, the fishing industry will just decline in the UK.
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  10. Trumps not been in power enough to have that big of an impact on the economy yet, it takes at least a year or two for the real impact to kick in so most of what we are seeing is from what Obama did but we should get a clear idea of what Trump's policy's are really like next year.
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  11. True, in any case, we'll get a real idea of how well Trump is really doing once in office for 2 years, until then he's living on the lagacy of Obama which he likes to keep bash, it would be funny if things really go south for Trump in the economy after being in offices for 2 years, that will be gold for Obama and others that don't like Trump, it will also send a powerful message of how bad Trump's policy's really are.
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  12. The thing is, if another war was to happen, it's very unlikely to happen in Europe, as it stands, it's more like the US or China that would start it, in any case, the damage it would do as well as the lose of life but be widespread and would likely effect us all on the planet with the tech we have today. The EU even thought it's not perfect, it's done a lot of good in Europe and created peace among us.
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  13. Thing is that even if the UK did get tough with the EU, the EU and it's members just get tougher on the UK, we're not gaining anything by that and because the EU market is much bigger, they can handle it a lot better then a small market to the UK so it's only hurting the UK a lot more. The truth is, I get the impression that Brexit was a big bluff to try and get better terms out of the EU, the EU didn't bite on that and the UK keeps thinking it can have it's cake even now, it's crazy but all the UK have done is give the EU all the power in these talks and it's clear to see because the EU have not really moved on any of it but the UK keeps bending to the demands the EU lay out, the UK are in a weak postion with these talks and it was one of it's own making by signing Article 50 in such a rush. In any case, whatever deal the UK gets now, it will be worse then what we already had, we have already lost this battle, now it's just a matter of limiting the damage and the only realistic way of doing that is single market and custom union, unless someone can come up with a better alternative that doesn't harm the UK then thats our best shot of getting out of this mess.
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  14. The EU is doing what it should be doing, protecting the intrest of the EU and it's members, the UK seems to think it's still a member and should be protected, it's crazy really but everything we've seen from the UK goverment over the last two years seem to be about cake and eat it this, cheer pick that, it's like the UK wants everything the EU offers but doesn't want any of the negative aspect of it, why would the EU give us that? At the end of the day, the UK called the EU's bluff and the EU didn't bite, because of that, it's put the UK in a very bad and weak postion in these talks, a lot of which was betting on the EU being in a mess now and bending to the wish of the UK, none of that is happening and it's the UK thats in a mess whiles bending to the EU. As for Galileo, I suspect either the EU will give back the money the UK put into that project or the UK might end up having some special rights to that project, in any case, future projects, we have to expect the UK to be at a big disadvantage because most are likely going to go to EU countries so the UK is mostly being pushed out. The truth is, the UK really should of thought about all this before the vote, everything thats been said and learned on Brexit over the last 2 years really needed to happen before the vote, we likely wouldn't be in this mess now, in fact I suspect we would of voted to remain in the EU because this is becoming one big headache for the UK and we end up at a lost not a gain for it, whats the real point in all this? We should also remember that the UK was betting on the US and other trade partners around the world to help the UK out, it looks more like many of them want to screw the UK over after Brexit and I can't really blame them really because once out of the EU, we are a much smaller market and much easier to pick on and without the back of the EU and US, that leaves the UK in a very weak postion around the world, if leaving the EU isn't enough of a wake up call for us, Trump should be.
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  15. You can't really, not with the hardcore worshipers, so don't bother with them, but everyone else are swing voters that are willing to listen to reason, as for the economy, it moves a bit like a big oil tankers, very slow to turn but it does move, thats how the economy is, Trump is benefitting on what Obama did in is last year in offices, we'll see how well Trump's policy's really are 18 to 24 months in the offices when they kick in. Greg, China is another thing and I can understand some restrictions with tariffs on them but the EU, Canada and all the rest?, it's hard for the US to argue they are getting a raw deal when Trump doesn't even understand how VAT works in the EU which isn't really that diffrent then Sales tax in the US, he seems to think thats a tariff on American goods lol. As for the US economy, is it really doing well or are the debts just getting worse?, it's easy to get the economy moving again by passing on the problem to the younger genearation to sort out at a later date.
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  16. True, the young genaration of people are really getting a raw deal now and the older genaration wants to stick the boot in even more with Brexit, so far, I've not seen anything of Brexit or what the leave side have said that makes us better off but we are seeing a lot on how it will make us worse off. The good news is that if Brexit goes really wrong, the young genaration are not going to forgive the older genaration easy and because thoes numbers will swell with time, it's just going to mean we end up rejoining the EU at some future date anyway. Brexit can only work for the leave side if it's a success on improveing the quality of living for the public, thats where they are really stuck on.
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  17. Hardly, shes just more of a figure head now that doesn't really serve any relevents in the world, even in the UK a lot of us don't care about all that anymore.
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  18. So the moral of the story is this, many in the UK want to leave the EU but then want to abide more or less all it's rules and laws, it begs the question, why bother with it at all because we would be rule takers not makers. It's looking very likely that thats whats going to happen as well because no matter what they keep trying to do, they just keep going around in circles, banging there heads on a wall and getting no where fast because the goverment can't seem to come up with a plan that works and protects the UK, I think in the longer run it's just going to mean the UK ends up in the single market and custom union because nothing else seems to work, that would mean the EU having it's cake and eating it as we wont have any say in EU policy but would have to abide most of it's rules which makes you wonder what the point of Brexit is, it's clear the hard Brexit some want wont work without damaging the UK a lot, in any case, time is running out so the goverment best get it's act together.
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  19. That would give the EU a bigger hand in the talks, the UK can't really afford the EU doing that so it's not likely to happen because the UK would likely bend.
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  20. Unionist, thats true, the north of England is not as productive and is falling behind, hence why most of them voted to leave the EU, but to me the real problem is under investment and austerity have not really helped, the Tories took it too far really. In any case, it's clear that this problem isn't really to do with the EU and is a much bigger wider problem because it's affecting more or less all the west including the US. Martin, you want to know something funny, the EU is more democratic then the UK is, that might come as a supprise to do but check up online and see how democratic is the EU and UK and you might be in for a shock, think about it, the UK have the house of lords, unelected, we have the queen, again unelected, that we have a vote system that isn't balanced at all to the voting population so it doesn't repensent the size of the population. The EU on the other have is quite diffrent, smaller members have more voting powers then it's population warrents, the bigger members are the ones that are getting a rar deal.
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  21. David, they are not in the EU and it's that whats stopping wars from happening among it's members, in fact with what you said kind of proved the point with Bosnian having a war, so it can still happen in Europe but not with EU members, glad we cleard that one up :) In any case, wars are rarely a good thing, apart from world war two which many can say was a major wake up call in Europe which bought about a lot of changese that we benefit from today, but given the choice, I rather see thoes changese without a war.
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  22.  @casperwallace9685  James, the UK could refuse to pay but considering it's international law, it wont bold well for the UK on the international stage when the UK is going to need all the help it can get around the world, in other words, we have little to no choice but to pay whatever happens with Brexit. Tony, true, it feels like many in the UK seem to think we are entitled to a good deal from the EU when the fact is, we had one of the best deals in the EU already with the op-out, now Brexiteers are complaining because the EU wont bend, what did they honestly expect? the EU was never going to give the UK a better deal then we already had in the EU and we should count ourselves lucky that the ECJ is allowing us to stay in the UK wanted too because personally, I think if the UK did stay, we should be striped off all our op-outs as a price for being an arse and not just a arse over the last few years but over the last few decades. Casper Wallace, I'm not assuming anything with the ERG, it's clear that some have an agenda but it's also clear that some are fanatics and when it's like that, it's hard to assume anything with these kind of people, but in any case, it will be the British people that suffer because of it, remainers and leavers alike.
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  23. True, Trump is an here and now leader so doesn't matter much but even Trump America I think have pushed too far this time that his actions could have long lasting damage on the US going forward, as for the EU, if the UK really leaves the EU which we will because the EU will make sure of it, they wont let us back in for at least another 2 or 3 decades, in other words, we will either be out in the cold or in the EU orbit being in the single market and custom union. The EU and it's members are unlikely to let the UK back into the decision making anytime soon with how much of a pain in the arse we've been over the last few decades and the moral of this story is, signing Article 50 was a big mistake from the UK because that handed all the power to the EU and thats all we've seen since in the talks.
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  24. I never said that and it would be crazy to think that would happen, the economy is like an oil tanker, it moves slowly, most of Trump's policies have not really taken effect on the economy yet because it takes around 18 to 24 months for them to really kick in, in other words, the economy is still going off Obama's policies for now, next year we'll get a clearer idea on what Trump's policies are doing to the economy. In any case, I suspect if Trump really pushes hard with these trade wars and others push back only for Trump to get more aggesive, this will have a real negative impact on the US economy because the only other time that countries didn't back down when starting a trade war was in 1930 and that led to the great depression which also led to Hitler getting into power. In other words, because all the other trading partners are putting tariffs on US goods, this isn't good news for Trump because he's only got two choice left, put more tariffs on other goods and we know how bad that will end or he do what always happens since after the 1930, he'll back down with time, in any case, no one is winning and the US is coming off worse for it. Icynok, I find it crazy why anyone in this day and age would need 2 or 3 jobs, thats a clear indication that something is really wrong in the country for many to feel they need to do that.
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  25. Well for one, I've never said the markets would crash right after Trump got into power, the markets don't work that way, yes they might have a little panic but that blows over. What we do know is that a lot of policies put into action take a long time to filter down into the economy, around 18 to 24 months, so we've not really seen what Trump's policies are really doing the the economy yet, also, Trump is taking credit for policies that Obama did but then thats what Trump does, lets see how things are late next year as thats when we'll get a clearer idea on what his policies are doing. As for jobs, nobody should ever need more then one job unless they want a lot more money but we do see in the US where many are having more then one job just to earn ends meat, you know something is wrong in the system when it's like that. I kind of hope that is the case Icynok, another 4 years of Trump would be the iceing on the cake for the rest of the world, but it doesn't look likely, we've seen it time after time that the policies a current leaders puts in really kick in before the next election and depending on if they are good or not can play a big factor on if he gets elected again or not. Also, if Trump keeps pushing on these tariffs, it's going to hurt his base and the US a lot so it's unlikely he would get elected because he will be the one to get the blame.
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