Comments by "Paul Aiello" (@paul1979uk2000) on "James O'Brien Skewers The Daily Mail Front Page - LBC" video.
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This is how I see it with the Lords, yes it needs reforms and needs to be more electable by the people but the problem is with the hardliners wanting to scrap the lords because they are not doing what they want, where do they draw the line on that?, if the house of commons votes the same way as the lords, will they want to scrap that as well? what about the public on if they have another vote and want to either stay in the EU or have a much closer partnership with the EU that the hardliners don't want, will they brand them as trators?
It's clear for anyone to see that the hardliners only care about one thing, hard Brexit at any cost and they don't care how far they have to go to get that or who they have to over rule to get that goal from the UK courts, the commons, the lords, even the British people themselfs, to me, the hardliners could be a threat to UK demoarcy if we don't keep them in check because you can't keep sidelining everything on Brexit that isn't agreeable to you and if they can do it with Brexit, they can do it with any policy in the UK.
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I have an idea John, as we are a democracy, how about we do the right thing and once the exit terms are known, the British people should have a final vote on Brexit to see if it really is the will of the people to leave the EU, we really don't know what the views are of the people after everything we've learned over the last two years, so are we a democracy?, if we are, the British publc deserves the final say and it needs to be clear that we wont get another chance after that, so far from what I'm seeing, hardliners seems very fearful of giving the British public another say on this matter because they fear the lies that got us into this mess wont work a second time round, more so after everything we've learned on Brexit over the last two years, you talk demoracry but we both know the hardliners would fight tooth and nail to not let the British people have another say on this.
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A lot was said from both said, it doesn't mean much because a lot of lies and fear was told, now if the leave side kept to the promises they said that won the vote, the remain side wouldn't have a leg to stand on now but it's clear they can't keep to thoes promises, hence why we keep going in circles on Brexit.
Oh don't be sorry for me, I'm doing fine, in fact I even have dual citizenship so if things do go bad here, I could easierly jump ship but I don't see why I should, in any event, it must be clear as mud to you that Brexit isn't going to happen the way you want, it's very likely that we are going to stay in the single market and custom union or something like that, EU membership all but in name but with little to no say and why?, because thats the best way to protect the economy and intrest of the UK without being the EU, you leavers promised us cake and eat it this, cheery pick that but you are not delivering on that so it's people like you that have very likely ended up making the UK a vassal state and the EU doesn't even have to do a thing about it but wait.
So anyway, now the European parliament is not electable?, next you'll be saying the queen is put into her postion by the people lol.
In any event, there is only one thing thats going to sort this mess out, another vote, if you truly beleave in democarcry then let the Public decide in a final vote, if they vote to leave again, you wont here me say a would on it and I would accept it, after all, two votes saying the same thing would mean the remain side wouldn't have a leg to stand on, but if they vote to stay then that changese everything, in any case, we need to be clear on what the public wants because a lot of fear and lies ware told from both side before the vote.
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Well no, it's all about giving the public the facts with another vote on either they want hard Brexit, EU membership or whatever deal the EU offers us, all terms that we get are going to be worse then EU membership, thats clear for anyone to see and if that wasn't clear enough then why have we not left the EU yet if hard Brexit was such a wonderful thing?, the reality is that we can't afford too and that is dawning on us all now.
This is how I suspect things will go, we'll end up in the single market and custom union or something like that, that will very likely leave the door open for the UK to rejoin the EU at some future date and we likely will because it would be much better then being a rule taker when we can be a rule maker.
In any case, the leave side have had almost two years to show us how Brexit will work without hurting the UK, two years and they still can't come up with a realistic plan that works, it always boils down to cake and eat it and cheery picking which the EU is denieing us on that and for good reason too.
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Really, easy way to find out if thats the case, ask the public, you know how bad it will look for the hardliners that kept saying will of the people if we had another vote and they vote to stay in the EU?, we should remember that the vote was very close and can swing either way with a good debate and the remain side have been showing the leave side up since the Brexit vote.
Stop being so fearful of the British public, if they truly want to leave as you like to think, the vote will go the same way so why fear them, well it's simply really, the leave side had to tell a lot of lies to get the results they wanted, they also know that the British public are less likely to fall for thoes lies a second time round, more so with everything we've learned about Brexit over the last two years.
So are we a democracy?, you seem to think a small margin based on lies is the will of the people, lets fine out and see if thats true with another vote.
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I never said remain was a beacon of honesty, lies ware told on both side but the fact is that the leave side said a lot of lies that now they have to back up with results because a lot of people wouldn't of voted to leave the EU otherwise and lets be honest, if it wasn't for all the lies, it's highly unlikely the leave side would of won, afterall, they more or less promised all the best bits of the EU without any of the negatives of it, cake and eat it and cherry picking and all that, clearly that was a lie the leave side can't deliver.
My real point is simply this, the debate on Brexit over the last 2 years should of been done before the Brexit vote, now the public have a far better understanding of what Brexit is and when we know what the exit terms are, I think it's only fair that the public have a say on that, thats democracy and I suspect thats the only way we will sort out this mess one way or the other.
As for the UK leaving the EU, you bet your arse we are leaving the EU because the EU will make sure of that now that Article 50 is signed, that isn't up for debate, what is is how we leave and it's very likely the UK will end up staying in the single market and/or custom union mainly because thats the best way to limit the damage from Brexit but thats also the EU having it's cake and eating it, in any case, we are screwed because no matter which option we pick, it's worse then what we already had before.
As for the Lords, it does need reforms, it needed them well before the Brexit vote, it should be an elected chamber thats a check and balance on the commons and goverment.
Like Ian Said, Brexit more or less wiped out the Ukip party, the Tory party are in a big mess with internal fighting among themselfs, if they get Brexit wrong, it could do some real damage to the Tory party, even Labour are not much better under Corbyn by trying to play it safe all the time, they will get the blame just as bad as the Tories will if Brexit goes wrong because Labour could've stud up and be counted in all this.
Ian, I agree with you with leavers and Brexit, it's funny that they go on about take back control and will of the people and yet over the last two years they've tried to undermine the court system, the commons, the lords and now even the public simply because they fear what any of them might say on Brexit.
I look at it like this, lets have another final vote once we know what the exit terms are, the public will not have any more excuses in saying they didn't know what we voted for, we will of had over 3 years by then of debateing it, if the will of the people truly is to leave the EU like some want us to think, the reasults of another vote will say that and then the remain side wouldn't have a leg to stand on, but if they change there minds on all this because of all the new information we now know on Brexit, that changese everything.
I sense many hardliners fear democracy because they had to lie so much to get the vote they wanted and now fear that the public wont fall for the lies a second time round, thats what I think they will fight tooth and nail to not allow the public to have another say on this and that will expose them for what they really are.
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