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Format worked nicely, except for the slip at the end hastily corrected but there all the same. Hopefully not Freudian, momentarily implying Arians are not Christian.
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People wrongly prefer this council’s human consensus over the teachings of Jesus the Christ.
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Those awful Nicaeans would have exiled Jesus and his apostles. Nobody in Acts who converted would be regarded as saved if strict Nicaeanism were true. None of the converts mentioned in Acts professed to believe Jesus is God. They believed the Son is forever subject to the Father, his God, the One greater than he.
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The Son ‘eternally begotten’ versus ‘begotten before time’. It is one opinion versus another since neither is revealed: “The secret things belong to God” as Deuteronomy 29 v 29 testifies. “Do not go beyond what is written.” “Do not cast judgment on disputable matters.”
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Constantine, forcing the bishops to ‘agree’ and debate this, maybe was an attempt to show them up like Nebuchadnezzar demanding the soothsayers and prophets tell him what he dreamed. If the goal was subtly to divide, and conquer, he succeeded.
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Excellent objectivity in the video. It was such a sad debate given the time of persecution. Worldliness like this would have driven Paul berserk. They went beyond scripture and beyond Christ, in the error of 2 John 9, running ahead of the teachings of Christ, losing the Son and Father.
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The question of affirming or not affirming the Trinity can be the subject of theological debate. However, the truly serious error — and what crosses into heresy — is to deny that a person who sincerely believes and follows the teachings of Christ and His apostles can be saved without making a formal Trinitarian confession. Such a denial falls under the strong warning in Galatians 1, where Paul declares a curse on anyone who proclaims a gospel contrary to the one originally preached. A deeply troubling situation arises when churches will not receive such believers unless they adopt specific Trinitarian terminology. This imposes a barrier where Scripture has not placed one, creating confusion and acting as a stumbling block to the believer’s full inclusion in the body of Christ. Such exclusion not only distorts the nature of the gospel but also underscores the relevance and severity of Paul’s warning in Galatians 1.
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@rmerick6908 yet they invented a new gospel not found in the gospel and brought upon themselves what they should have known was a terrible curse in Galatians 1, and upon so many since then who follow their new gospel
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@rmerick6908 if you had just let the word in, you might have been able to claim ignorance, but now you insist in being anathema
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The madness is that they do not think it follows through to a conclusion that if they are right then Paul was not saved and the epistles were not truly Christian, and this is a paradox because then the church councils were unfounded.
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The Nicaea/Arius controversy was all about a secret thing (whether before time the Son-Spirit, the Word, was created or always existed). It belongs to God. It is not a revealed thing belonging to God’s people. Deut 29 v 29 “The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.”
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