Comments by "PM" (@pm71241) on "The Rubin Report" channel.

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  27. ***** I fully agree. ... 100% ... Not just based on Prager, (one nut case now and then can't hurt). But I think Dave has betrayed his original claim of wanting to "apply reason to the big questions of the day" with a long string of "stereotypical conservative ideologues" who all claim to be for "reason" and objectivity and science, but in fact are ideologically motivated to do everything but that. I guess Dave has just been so focused on the fact that they also were "at war" with the Social Justice Warriors and regressive that everything ended up being about that. Sad really... I had looked forward to a show with a classical liberal spirit which actually took reason an science seriously. And no! ... I don't think Dave enumerating all the leftists warm-feelings interviews he have had which I basically regard as without much substance as a good argument. Sure Margaret Cho is probably nice to talk to - but the conversation was hardly about "the big questions". I liked the Sam Harris, Michael Shermer, Ayn Hirsi Ali, Maajdi Nawaz, Christina Hoff Summers and many others, but they are by now completely drowned in the right wing "conservative" science denying ideologues  - like Alex Epstein, Crowder, Prager. ... and I've given up by now. This will never become the classical liberal hub where science and reason has an important role to play. Alone from the comment sections you can see that Rubin is now attracting more and more of these Prager, Shapiro, Moleneux fans who really couldn't care less about science and reason.... they just want to bash the leftists.
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  28. Charles Badger Thanks for your well articulated input. I have a few comments... "he talks to people like Shapiro and crowder because they accept him" Yes... well... that might be. But if he really wanted to start a new tradition of reason based liberalism, the there are actually people out there "on the left" who can be a part of building that. I don't like the "left/right" dichotomy. - for one reason that they mean very different things in US and Europe. (just FYI: I regard my self as classical liberal (geo-libertarian)). There are people like Sam Harris, Maajid Nawaz and I've tried to suggest to Dave to have Jerry Taylor of tne libertarian Niskanen Center Think tank on. But what doesn't help if you want to recapture the word "liberalism" for the classical liberal reason based approach is to have an overwhelming number of conservative and (for the most part) fact-free ideologues on. It might be that they "accept" Dave, but he is also then just running to "the other side" of the entrenched left/right picture of US politics. I know he say that he isn't and that he don't agree with many of them.... and I believe him. But that doesn't really change fact that while he is sitting there throwing softballs to people like Prager and giving them a platform to spout their nonsense the real reason reason-based approach to the real world is being left on the TODO list. And while he is cozying up to his new ideologue friends on the conservative side I tell you - he is loosing those of us who were on the classical liberal page and who took reason and science seriously from the beginning. Another FYI ... I do acknowledge that some of these conservative ideologues are actually worth talking to. I believe that, say,  Ben Shapiro could be interesting and in the last Interview he didn't actually say much I found controversial. He has still proven himself elsewhere to be an ideologue who happily sets reason aside if it suits his ideology. Crowder is just a loudspeaker IMHO. - as witnessed by his interaction (or lack of) with Peter Hadfield. He has no interest in objective truth. > "That personally bugs me. Instead of dismissing me or someone else as an intellectual because we disagree, try to educate; they might find that we agree on more than most realize." That understandable.... but if you have read other of my comments elsewhere, I try - when people show an honest interest in discussion - to actually address the subject matter and explain my viewpoint (or the science) with references and evidence. However... I've also spend the last 8 years trying to explain and educate conservative and anarch-capitalistic ideologues like Crowder and Epstein in climate science and I must say that the only place I've met an equal amount of  dogmatism and ideological motivated denial was the years before that when I discussion evolution with creationists. ... It's very rare that you meet a person like Steven Crowder or Alex Epstein who is actually interested in an objective and reason based discussion of the scientific facts of the real world. They have an agenda - which (to put it shortly) is : Reject everything coming from what they regard as "the left" at any cost. I don't have high hopes for these ideologues.
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