Comments by "Lelly Parker" (@lellyparker) on "Channel 4 News" channel.

  1. Astonishing how many farmers decided to vote themselves out of their closest and largest market.
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  2. Johnson: "Get rid of the backstop and we'll find an alternative arrangement." EU: "Find an alternative arrangement and we'll get rid of the backstop." (Shamelessly stolen from Twitter)
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  3. Fines should be a %age of earnings so that fines affect rich people the same way they do poor people. Or at least more similar.
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  4. Why is this a shock? It's been happening all over Europe and in the US for a few years now.
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  5. Boris Johnson is asking the EU to allow the UK to access to the common market without it having to follow common market rules that every other nation accessing the common market has agreed to. He knows the EU are not able to make a special exception for the UK because that would be at the expense of the security of the other 27 nations.
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  6. They are asking the EU for something they know the EU can not give. It is a bluff. The tactic here is to blame the EU for the sever problems the Brexiteers going to inflict on the UK. They want to make the British public hate the EU so much that in the event of a general election the British public will vote for a no-deal Brexit whatever the cost.
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  7. Priti Patel is not sorry that there have been failings, she is only sorry that people FEEL there have been failings.
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  8. Trump never did respect when a woman says "no".
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  9. FANTASTIC journalism. I love that some journalist are still looking to find the truth and expose the frauds.
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  10. Vote for loonies, end up with loonies in government.
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  11. You don't pay any tax when you die. The person who receives the house has done zero work to pay for that house. They are getting it for nothing. It is income and therefore should be taxed.
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  12. Three weeks too late is not "the right time".
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  13. Is there nothing this Government can't completely break?
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  14. All the experts said Brexit would be bad for business. Turns out Brexit is bad for business. Who knew? (apart from all the expert and everybody else everywhere).
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  15. It took three days and a bunch of burned down buildings before they even charged him.
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  16. Brexit is already trashing the economy and they are still calling it "project fear¨. Brexiteers will tell us anything to further their agenda regardless of the consequences to actual working people.
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  17. "Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past." - GeorgeOrwell The government are retrospectively changing the law so that an UNELECTED BUREAUCRAT will no longer have broken it.
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  18.  @RightiousRoots  "💁Thank your Democrats for it" - Obviously Trump will blame his economic disaster on the Democrats and Trump supporters will believe him.
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  19. There is no deal. Boris wants what he knows the EU cannot give. This is not hard. Why do the media allow Boris to get away with this obvious bluff? Boris knows the EU can not offer the kind of deal he wants so he is going for a no-deal and looking to blame the EU for it.
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  20. The phrase "Fake News" has become international code for "I Am Lying".
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  21. One again the EU bending over backwards to do the right thing. England is nothing but an embarrassment in all this. Boris claims he wants a deal but he keeps asking for that which is impossible for the EU to deliver. Britain entered into these agreements, we should man up and stop being the crybabies of Europe wanting to break our commitments at the expense of 27 other countries.
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  22. Interesting that JRM admitted there are a lot of remainers in the Conservative Party.
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  23. An "apology" is meaningless. He should have been kicked out. No one forced him to harass women.
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  24. @Simon John WTO rules makes everything harder to buy and sell because it all gets rather more expensive. It means Britain will be at a competitive disadvantage in both the EU and the US. So good luck with WTO.
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  25. Rishi told us what his plan is. He said he was taking money away from deprived people and giving it to middle class people. I mean he literally said that on camera.
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  26. Why do we only "step up our response" AFTER we get an increase in infections that we all knew was going to happen?
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  27. What a perfect time to put up trade barriers that have reduced European trade by 70%. Even better when we hit the end of the Brexit Grace Period in a couple of months making economic growth even harder. And what luck that we are bleeding business in our financial sector to the EU and the US. Perfect time for Brexit.
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  28. According to the people in the video they actually think the Tories are going to invest in the NHS and other public services. Everything these people believe is the exact opposite of reality.
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  29. Before Brexit "Take Back Control" . After Brexit "Give Control To America" .
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  30. Well at least the oil companies are making billions in profits thanks to the fuel crunch.
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  31. @Simon John Oh and for those who are dependent on USA food - be warned at how badly the USA blackmails other countries into doing what it tells them to under threats of high tariffs (think Mexico). USA is putting America first. The only deal we will get with the US will be a very very bad one.
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  32. I'm pretty sure "inhumane" is the entire point of it. Hostile Environment 101.
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  33. The US is so broken. 50% of the population would rather children suffer and die than give up their dreams of Rambo.
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  34. Boris becomes a dictator as he deliberately circumvents the Sovereignty of Parliament.
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  35. Surprise surprise, Boris won the election on his deal and it turns out he has no intention whatsoever of forming any long term relationship with the EU. In 11 months its NO-DEAL just like Boris wanted all along.
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  36. Who pays for this price cap freeze? We need to pay as much of this back from Windfall Tax on the Oil & Gas companies so we don't have to pay it ourselves. And the UK has truly massive debts already thanks to the pandemic.
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  37. "We are the European stool" - EXACTLY!!! Well said!!
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  38. What did the US expect when they themselves abandoned the "deal"? Trump wanted this so he has an excuse to invade. He provoked it.
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  39.  @EnglishTurbines  That's interesting given that leaving on WTO rules wasn't on the ballot paper. Most people never heard of WTO until after the referendum.
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  40. The NI Protocol is a compromise. Boris just wants to make the EU look bad for all the damage Brexit is causing. Britain is such an embarrassment now. Boris promised Brexit which was impossible to deliver, and now he wants the EU to suffer the damage caused by it.
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  41. No, the problem is not having enough labour. If businesses pay more wages, then their products become more expensive and workers have to pay more to buy them. The benefit they got from higher wages is lost because of higher costs. The idea that migrant workers suppressed wages is absolutely false. Before Brexit we had lowest unemployment numbers for 50 years. That means migrant workers were not pushing wages down, they were enabling our economy to grow larger than it normally would. Thanks to Brexit our economy is now shrinking and any increase in wages because of worker shortages will soon be lost in inflation and a shrinking economy.
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  42.  @retrowatches1655  "His last term inflation went down when he implemented tarrifs " - Nope. Inflation under Obama 2009 - 2017 1.4% , Inflation under Trump 2017 - 2021 1.9% . Trump inherited a great economy and then caused a great deal of harm to American farmers when he started his ill-judged trade war with China - which he inevitably lost and capitulated.
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  43. He is trying to blame the EU for no-deal Brexit. They are asking the EU for something they know the EU can not give.
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  44. It astonishes me that this government seems to completely fail to see the problem this is about to cause. I mean, obviously, THEY can afford the coming crisis. But you would think they could LOGICALLY deduce that millions of people are going to be made desperate. They have proposed NOTHING to fix this, just extremely inadequate band-ads.
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  45.  @JackieDean-ll8qn  How is my point not clearly stated in my post?
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  46. Boris Johnson won't lose his house and have to eat from a food bank if we go no deal. But a lot of people will.
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  47. Did anyone check on the "bad weather" story? I did try to find stories in the Spanish press about adverse weather damaging crop yields but couldn't find anything. That doesn't necessarily mean that it didn't happen, it may just not be considered news-worthy in Spain.
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  48. So basically Russia is worried about NATO putting nuclear weapons closer and closer to Russia. Why is this not being explicitly pointed out? It is not an unreasonable thing for Russia to be concerned about. And there have to be red lines beyond which Russia can not allow such weapons to cross. All this tension and drama when all NATO needs to do is hammer out a proper agreement with Russia as to how far away they need to keep their nukes from each other. Simples.
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  49.  BeGood 2Me  Did Harry Truman cry like a baby when they said no?
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  50. Sorry, but due to Brexit we have a bunch of clowns running the country.
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  51. Total Mobster Crime Syndicate now operating from the White House.
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  52. We need to renationalize power. Power is infrastructure and infrastructure should be a national concern on top of which the free-market can operate in a more stable environment.
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  53.  @jasondevon481  We'll see whos crying after Brexit. Mostly it will be the idiots that voted for it. Remainers already know how bad it is going to be. It won't be a shock to us.
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  54. Yes companies have indeed done "scenario analysis" and they have been telling the government that it's going to be a disaster.
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  55. Really good informative analysis.
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  56. Reverse the privatizing of chunks of the NHS to remove the profiteering leeches who are sponging off our taxes!
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  57. LOL The domestic terrorist threat has ALWAYS been the greatest threat in the US!!!
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  58. I suspect a huge back-hander from Donald Trump.
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  59. The level of education in the UK is appalling.
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  60. Except the 3 week delay at the beginning when you were going for "herd immunity". Edited to add It looks like the government shills have come out to attempt damage control to the government's reputation after it decided to sacrifice lives to save the economy.
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  61. "Stay at home" means "Stay at home"!
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  62. Now can we have decent sentences for kiddi-fiddlers who get off after only a few years?
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  63. Rwanda makes more money if they spend less money on the asylum seekers they are being paid to look after. Therefore, asylum seekers are going to be treated extremely badly. But that's probably going to be legal in Rwanda.
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  64. Germany is so successful because they would never do anything so illogical and counter to their national interest. Only the UK was conned into doing that to itself.
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  65. Guantánamo Bay.
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  66. Boris Johnson will go down in history as whatever Donald Trump tells him to go down as.
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  67. First they are saying how much Boris is going to spend on the NHS and other things and then they are saying what a liar Boris is.... 'aint nothin' happenin between those ears.
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  68.  @jeanhenly710  Obama set up a specialist pandemic center in the US and they had specialists working in China looking for this kind of disease. Trump closed that all down despite scientists saying for years it was only a matter of time before this happened. If Trump had not sacked all the US scientists working in China then the world would have known about the virus WEEKS before China told the world. This is all on Trump's utter incompetence.
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  69. You starved the NHS for over 10 years. It is WAY TOO LATE to patch up the sever damage you did to OUR health service. Shame on Conservatives.
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  70. @Simon John "Oh you aren't half the pessimist. " - I simply understand maths and basic economics. Through the EU we have access to 700+ free trade agreements where we can buy and sell good with zero or low tariffs. In a no-deal exit we are throwing all those deals in the bin and starting from scratch under high tariffs. There is a reason businesses are not run based on dreaming and wishful thinking. Those businesses tend to go bust.
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  71.  Andrew H  "Fantastic isnt it" - Our Prime Minister lied to the country in order to win an election and now has no intention of implementing what people voted for. And you think that is "fantastic"? I guess this is why we have Brexit. People just love to be lied to and then ripped off and stabbed in the back.
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  72. The EU is propped up by 27 countries.
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  73. If they get a referendum I will move to Scotland!
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  74. Agreed. Imagine all those poor terrified little girls hoping their mosque won't burn down with them in it! Glad the police are out there protecting little girls from far-right thugs.
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  75. Trump is using intimidation tactics against people who disagree with him in government. He is deliberately inciting racial hatred against colored women who oppose his policies. This is what happens in dictatorships. Trump is really putting those Congresswomen's lives in danger by inciting millions of people to hate them and by invoking racist passions. Remember they can buy guns in the local shop in the US.
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  76. We already did that with Brexit.
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  77. Interesting nod to Vera Lynn.
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  78. They tried to. In Cuba. The US went bananas. Seriously NATO is being very hypocritical here, both sides are not innocent. NATO has been getting closer and closer to Russia. IMO they just need to sit down and agree a minimum distance that they will keep their weapons away from each other.
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  79. This is why the Good Friday Agreement works. It removes any targets. It isn't that the IRA don't exist it is that they have no targets to attack. No border guards. Nothing. And this state of affairs is only possible if north and south follow the same regulatory standards.
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  80. I wonder how many of the men defending the "right to kiss people intimately without permission" would be good if their male boss kissed them on the lips every time he felt excited.
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  81.  @hilary.teanti  "he does not need to apologise" - I hope he does not apologise. It is good when the racists and hate-mongers are honest about who they are.
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  82. I'm more interested in what happened to the lettuce.
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  83. Which radical voices are you talking about?
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  84. He says he is getting near to a deal while the EU keep letting the cat out of the bag telling us he has not made one single legally possible proposal.
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  85. I have to say this decision is exposing how many racists there are in the UK. Just look at this comment section. Britain is becoming a more ignorant and badly educated haven for racist propaganda to flourish. We need to invest more in schools.
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  86. The EU has South America now. They don't need us anymore.
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  87. This is when 10 years of Tories starving the NHS of money kills a lot of people.
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  88.  @ThePixey1000  We will be damaged a lot more than the EU. There are 27 of them and only one of us. Do the math. It's that simple. Stop reading the Brexiteer propaganda and think about it. Also we would like to honor our peace treaty with Ireland and avoid starting a war. The EU is not going to collapse. It is getting stronger every year. This year it signed FTAs with Japan, 3 South American countries, Canada and a whole bunch of others. They are way too big an economy to collapse.
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  89. I am. It is embarrassing. I have been practicing a foreign sounding accent so I can hopefully pass for non-English.
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  90.  @keyo525  "People that are able to work should work ..." - People that are able to work are working. This is about giving less money to those that can't.
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  91. Only one of those parties is currently in power and shovelling taxpayers money into their friend's pockets.
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  92. This is what anti-masker/anti-lockdowners ignore. A big threat from this virus is its ability to clog up the hospitals to the extent that emergency services grind to a halt for weeks on end.
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  93.  @jpfrank4228  There are plenty of things wrong with the EU CAP, but clearly the CAP was helping UK farmers because now it has been taken away, a lot of farmers are struggling. Farmers have voted to get rid of all the EU CAP subsidy money the EU used to pay them. At the same time they have also voted to reduce their access to their largest market and the majority of their overseas customers. The EU Cap supported UK farmers far more than any Tory government will.
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  94.  munsterr777  If you don't have an answer to an argument, pretend it doesn't exist. That seems a common theme among Brexiteers.
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  95.  @jameswhiteley6843  I want to get rid of liars out of politics wherever they are. But we al know that the leave campaign was one lie after another.
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  96. They do pay for healthcare because they pay taxes and taxes pay for the NHS. What the government was doing was charging them TWICE.
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  97. Taking money away from people can also feed inflation. Look at energy prices. The less energy people use, the more the energy companies increase the standing charges to compensate for people using less.
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  98. 40 years of relentless lies and misinformation through a barrage of right-wing newspapers.
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  99. So let us make a formal commitment under constitutional law to ALWAYS give the NHS the funding it needs and never again vote in any government that strips it bare and brings it to its knees because their donors prefer private medical care.
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  100. I simply do not believe anyone is "stunned" by anything Trump does. If they are then they need to wake up.
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  101.  @Anymonkeyme  "Not a lot of time for edits back then." - There would have been time but Boris wanted it rushed through. When Parliament voted to slow the process down Boris withdrew the bill and only returned it after he won his majority. Then he forced it through parliament super-quickly without allowing Parliament to read and inspect it.
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  102.  @perpetualintellectual2026  "Why should he apologise?" - He shouldn't. he should be honest about who he is. of course, there should be no room for hate-mongers like him in government. Which is why it is good that he is honest about his racism.
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  103.  @brettworrallo395  "A felony in woke land" - A felony in law. But you wanted a criminal to run your country and you got exactly what you wanted.
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  104. Who cares about people not being able to afford houses because we can't build as many? Who cares about companies having to reduce output because they don't have enough workers? Who cares about food rotting in the fields and everyone having to pay more for food? As long as Carl is alright. Even though he was wrong about everything. Migrant workers do NOT depress wages and yes, British people were also able to go work anywhere in Europe until Carl restricted their ability to work and earn a living, but he's okay.
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  105. Team UK = Team Obey Westminster
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  106. Those slogans were created by racists to detract from the cry for help from racial minorities who actually need it.
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  107.  @jameswhiteley6843  Whatever lockdowns have done, Brexit added to it and makes recovery much harder.
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  108. Which is why they should be linked to wealth IMO.
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  109. That wasn't a nurse that was an anti-lockdown lunatic who deserves to be locked up.
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  110. By spreading propaganda and lies, Trump has literally made millions of Americans believe the free and fair election was fixed by the president elect . The storming of the Capitol is totally his fault. He has been deliberately undermining the election for months.
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  111. This Conservative government has not been investing in the NHS. They have been cutting back the NHS for over a decade. The NHS was on its knees even before this virus hit.
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  112. If only we were a member of the EU we would have a seat at the table of power throughout Europe. Not being a member means the EU can just ignore anything we say.
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  113. Revoking Article 50 actually delivers more Brexit leave campaign promises than a no-deal crash out does.
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  114.  @JW-YT  "I dont understand why so many of my fellow independence supporters are pro-eu" - Maybe because they want to be in a union and they choose the union with the largest free trading area in the world, and hundreds of deals with countries all over the world rather than the xenophobic, small-minded, union with a falling currency, zero trade deals and who are about to be screwed over by the US.
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  115.  James Smith  You voted to leave the EU, not the Customs Union. Your politicians rejected a deal that WOULD have taken us out of the EU. They voted against it. They should live with their rejection of Brexit instead of driving the country over a cliff that was never voted for.
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  116.  @brentmeistergeneral6074  "you are literally penalising the rich for doing well in life" - No. You are penalizing the rich for committing a finable offence. Furthermore you are penalizing them to the same degree of inconvenience that a poor person is penalized. Otherwise, the law applies much more harshly to a poor person than a rich person.
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  117.  @ulabosha4583  "UK nation debt has been slowly decreasing and the pound is rising" - I don't know who told you we are decreasing our national debt, but that is the opposite of the truth. The government is currently increasing national debt in order to keep gas prices down, after having borrowed hundreds of billions for Covid and having reduced our tax revenue by about £40 billion/year because of Brexit. So, thanks to Brexit, the government has £40 billion less each year to pay our debts with/spend on the NHS/keep roads and public services running etc....
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  118.  @ThePixey1000  " trust me.." - ROFL you talk like a UFO conspiracy site. I am betting you believe every anti-EU conspiracy theory on the internet.
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  119.  @ThePixey1000  You seem to think I should listen to people more educated than myself. Well statistics shows that less well educated & older people voted to leave whereas more highly educated & younger people voted to stay. Worth thinking about.
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  120. He wasn't sacked for his dodgy tax dealing at all. That's fine, apparently. He was sacked for lying about it.
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  121.  @jonsid6628  As long as the fish are happy who cares that the fishing industry is being destroyed by Brexit right?
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  122. Donald Trump is not going to stop damaging American democracy. He is going to continue this disinformation propaganda for the next 4 years.
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  123. Black Voices for a White Supremacist. Now I have seen it all.
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  124.    We have not left the EU yet. So no. But we are on the brink of recession.
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  125. Boris isn't going to get a different deal and he knows it. There is no alternative to the backstop. We had 3 years to find one and nothing.
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  126. Translation: "Johnson is 'right man for the job' to deliver the NHS to American Big Business".
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  127.  @wasteoftime2187  "imagine a billionaire getting a £1m speeding ticket" - That would deter him from speeding to a similar degree as everyone else. Which is a good thing.
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  128.  @Billy2011C  "...so what should they do?" - Take May's deal or Revoke Article 50. Those are the only sensible options Britain has. Throwing our toys out of the pram and trashing our economy out of spite is not the answer. We made the international agreements and treaties that put us in this place we should man up and live by our previous decisions.
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  129.  @Irrelevantusername000  "The UKs issues have nothing to do with brexit." - Brexit is costing British business about £120 billion/year (Office of Budgetary Responsibility). That means the government is getting about £40 billion less in tax revenue. That means the government has to either increase taxes or cut back on paying our debts, the NHS, and generally keeping the lights on. YES there is an economic crisis caused by Covid and the Ukraine war. But the biggest factor is Brexit, haemorrhaging hundreds of billions from our economy every year.
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  130. We knew things would get worse because of the devastation left by the Tories.
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  131.  @stoufer2000  So you literally don't have a single counterargument, just insults because you apparently don't really know what's going on.
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  132. They are fattening up the NHS to make it desirable when they come to sell it off to USA Big Business after their Donald Trump trade deal is finally signed in a few years time.
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  133. The slogan "Defund the Police" is a bit of a gift to detractors who can (and have) easily misrepresent it. The very fact that people have to explain what it means tells me it is a bad slogan that does not convey its message. Maybe find a better slogan? "Rebalance the Police"? Something that is harder to twist.
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  134.  @ThePixey1000  Italy have announced they have no intention of leaving the EU. Probably because they are watching Britain destroying its economy. When everyone sees how bad Brexit is for Britain they won't be stupid enough to go down the same mindless route. Fascists, like UKIP and the Brexit Party, can manipulate weak minds using racism and nationalistic flag waving to trick some of the population but never all of the population. Britain will be begging to get back into the EU in a few years and maybe in 20 years time they might just allow us back in. If we are lucky.
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  135. Hardly anything you wrote is true. We did this to ourselves. Brexit was amazingly stupid and the only way the government can hide the disaster Brexit has caused is by blaming the EU for everything with lies and propaganda. We told you Brexit would be a disaster. It is not the EU harming the UK, it is Brexit harming the UK. You have been reading too many Tory papers.
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  136. That is exactly what they are doing. Starmer is using frozen Russian assets to pay for Ukrain's security going forward.
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  137. It is not a bargain when they already pay for the NHS through their taxes. They should not be charged twice.
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  138. "not allowed to get married" - Really? How do they stop you?
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  139.  @JW-YT  "do you think an independent Scotland would have any trade deals when it first establishes itself?" - It only needs one. It only needs a fully comprehensive FTA with the EU. That gives Scotland access to hundreds of FTA arrangements throughout the globe - exactly the same as it enjoys now. The only thing missing will be that it won't have a seat at the table of power but then it never did with the UK so it is not missing anything.
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  140. @Ford Prefect "the UK will continue to trade with the world" - Yes but it will be at least 10% more expensive to buy and sell. That's the best case scenario. In addition to that we will obviously loose customers at one end (because more expensive products) and suppliers at the other end (because more expensive supplies). We will get f*c*d at both ends.
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  141. @Fhjthnl Lol Iuyo The EU have already negotiated extensively. But Boris is asking them for something he knows they can not agree to. So his fake "negotiations" are disingenuous and he is only doing this to make the EU look bad so the country does not blame him for the chaos that his no-deal will bring.
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  142. With no evidence whatsoever to back that theory up.
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  143.  @daftwod  It is not the sentiment because we all agree that all lives do matter. It is the fact that it is being used by racists to attack the "Black Lives Matter" slogan. THAT is what is racist about it. White lives are NOT being racially abused (in the UK) which is why the slogan "White Lives Matter" is irrelevant - nobody is acting like white lives don't matter. But people ARE acting like black lives don't matter so it is necessary to remind people that black lives matter just as much as every other life. But I know trying to explain this to racist like you is a waste of time. You want to attack the anti-racist movement because you like being a racist.
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  144. BTW, many wards are empty because after 15 years of Tory rule the NHS is so underfunded and understaffed that they simply don't have enough nurses to service all the Covid-19 patients in addition to keeping other wards open. So many wards are closed.
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  145. There are a LOT of bots in here spreading Trumps lies and disinformation. They need to put Trump in jail where he belongs as soon as possible. If not sooner.
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  146. You're right and all the scientists are wrong. And your town proves it. If only the scientists would go to your town to measure its temperature.
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  147.  @ThePixey1000  I did not call you racist. I said racism was a TACTIC used by UKIP and the Brexit Party. Like it or not Britain has racists and they are accustomed to operating undercover in the grass roots as agitators and manipulators. They know they can't be obvious. But by engaging with the racist groups in the UK the Leave campaign mobilized an army of people willing to spread anti EU propaganda because they were told that if we could get rid of the EU we can start kicking foreigners out of the UK. I am not saying people who voted to leave are racist, but that racist groups were mobilized into working for UKIP (and the leave campaign) by the xenophobic rhetoric and through direct links through UKIP.
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  148. Labour still trying to sit on the non-existent fence.
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  149.  @markasbury1084  " just read it all and you're wrong." - We'll see. Just see what happens over the coming years as the chronic shortage of workers works it's effects through the economy. Economies are large and slow moving but you can't avoid the laws of economics in the end.
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  150. Revoke Article 50. We tried Brexit, it is simply not possible. Admit it and move on rather than destroy the UK and its economy.
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  151. To win the General Election Boris made his Withdrawal Agreement central to the Conservative Manifesto. The country would never have voted for a "no-deal" exit which was the only alternative at that time.
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  152. "Britain will prosper mightily..." - at the expense of EU countries! Why would the EU agree to that?
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  153.  @stephenobrien5909  The "bail-outs" in the UK are higher per capita than in the EU. People seem to forget the UK is borrowing and printing money like there is no tomorrow. UK debt per capita is still higher than EU debt per capita.
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  154. The Welsh are discovering how much the "leave" campaign lied to them.
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  155.  @sandrapayne3275  "Magpie Meg brings the very worst out if ppl " - It sounds like you are blaming the victim to excuse YOUR vile attitudes. You can disagree with people without encouraging disgusting acts of violence and torture against them.
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  156.  @ha5mth  There wouldn't be a clown show without clowns. But then people went and voted one into high office.
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  157. @Simon John "It will make it easier for thr other 95% of businesses that don't have dealings with the EU" - No it won't. Why would it? And 50% of UK trade is with the EU.
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  158. @Simon John "100% of UK businesses have to comply with 100% of sodding EU regulations" - Because regulations are not going anywhere with Brexit they are simply changing. Better to use the regulations we have cooperatively developed with our largest and closest trading partners than hack together something arbitrary that doesn't facilitate external trade in any way. We must have regulations that apply to any trade with foreign countries. It would be expensive and messy to have different internal standards to external ones, regardless if trading with the EU or any other nation. Besides, EU standards are great for the consumer.
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  159.  @sokolshala485  The one where Iran agreed to give up its sovereign right to develop scientific solutions and LEGITIMATELY wants something in return. You can not expect a whole country not to pursue science without some kind of compensation. But I guess you are good with the USA being a world DICTATOR by means of military force right? Why bother with a mutually agreed plan when you can just threaten them with a war that would murder thousands of Iranian men, women and children? Dictators are fine when they happen to benefit you right?
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  160. What we need is an Open Source Peer - to - peer App with no central database.
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  161.  @cheese5728  Putting up trade barriers between Britain and Europe where we get 30% of all our food and do 50% of all our external trade is the government's monetary policy.
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  162. Diseases are a natural phenomenon. You can't blame China for that. Trump made this catastrophe thousands of times worse than it needed to be by doing nothing but bullshitting the public, shrugging off the problem and ignoring experts.
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  163. Very well said.
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  164. We already have this. Just look at Brexit.
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  165. Channel 4 doesn't cow tow to pro-government propaganda. It is too much of a genuine news outlet. The BBC capitulated over fears of its funding being cut - coupled with prominent Tory appointments in high places. The Tories are buying up ALL the media and giving them a pro-Conservative bias - or at the very least curtailing them from holding this government to account.
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  166.  @oafpolitics179  Maybe we should be more worried about the dictatorship we are actually walking into rather than the arch-typical imaginary Tory construct that they always use to scaremonger the masses into voting for yet more conservatism - by making them terrified of anything left of the far-right. The tools of DICTATORSHIP apply to ALL types of socioeconomic systems - left or right.
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  167.  @emm_arr  @Daniel Main and @Kevin Feeney are the same person. He posted the same comment using both accounts then deleted one! I knew these forums are full of FAKE Brexiteer shills having conversations with themselves.
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  168.  @plainenglish1774  We always had Sovereignty. Claiming we didn't is just Brexiteer propaganda. We will lose a lot of Sovereignty after Brexit when we are forced to do whatever the US tells us after signing an all encompassing trade deal with them.
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  169. IMO this is an internal assassination by the Conservative party. The press could not have gotten hold of emails and CCTV footage without inside help. A Tory faction want Boris out, and they are going to keep going until he's gone.
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  170. Starmer is saying the correct thing here. Rishi is against the legitimacy of the ICC while Starmer supports the ICC. It is not for Rishi or Starmer to declare the if international law has been broken based on their political biases, it is for the ICC to come to that determination and for subscribers to the ICC to support their position. Starmer is exactly right here. What he should be doing though IMO is calling Rishi out for rejecting international law and for pre-determining off his own back that no war crimes have been committed. Rishi's comments are disgraceful.
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  171.  @physiocrat7143  "The whole story just demonstrates the mean minded petty obstructionism of the European Union." - This has got nothing to do with the EU. This is entirely because of Brexit. Nothing else. Britain voted to have tightly controlled borders. This is what happens when borders are tightly controlled. It becomes harder and more expensive to move goods across the border. The ONLY way to fix this is to remove border controls. But that is NOT what Brexit means. Brexit means hard, strict, tightly controlled borders. If you voted for Brexit you voted for expensive border controls.
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  172. The released police footage changes nothing. In fact it further incriminates the other two police officers by showing how involved they were.
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  173. Freedom of speach does not give anyone the right to commit a crime. For example, there are no laws banning the use of wood. We are all free to use wood. But if we use a piece of would to attack another person, do we get to claim that using wood is not illegal?
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  174. There are those countries whose TV only spouts good things about the government like China & North Korea. That is where we could end up if we follow your "logic". We need to be told the hard truths, ESPECIALLY at times like this.
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  175.  @jaquesravalec242  "It's none of your business..." - When someone makes a PUBLIC statement it is absolutely the business of the PUBLIC.
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  176. It doesn't matter WHEN the tax dodging occurred, what matters is is the Minister is a tax dodger or not? Does the Minister believe in the tax system or not?
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  177. How is she self serving? She is not putting herself forward for PM, unlike Corbyn.
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  178. Yes, and it was a huge mistake.
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  179. This man is a sociopathic lying nutcase. The US have another Hit-zler on their hands. So lucky he never got a second term.
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  180.  @georgedebenham1042  And yet the Leave Campaign broke the law to achieve their tiny majority and based their entire campaign on lies. Why do you call that "democracy"? You are correct in that "democracy" is at stake here and it is losing badly because Tories have bought the popular press and even broke the law to tip the balance of the (advisory) referendum. Also more people voted for "remain" parties in the General Election than for "leave" parties but our FPTP voting system gives more seats to Tories than any other party, how is that democratic? Britain became more than 50% remain immediately after the crooked referendum and has stayed that way ever since. The "will of the people" changed and a new (legal and fair) referendum would have proved it. THAT would have been a step back along the road to democracy.
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  181. There is no argument that Boris can make for Scotland remaining in the United Kingdom that doesn't equally apply to why the UK should have remained in the European Union.
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  182. It already has. Effectively Trump is telling Putin, "you have your half of Ukrainian minerals, now let us have the other half and we'll call it quits".
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  183.  @Andronichuk  "Russian Imperialism" - I am not saying Russia are the good guys. I am just saying that NATO aren't exactly bing the good guys either. Russia has a point about nuclear weapons placements, so NATO really should meet that and come to a fair and proper arrangement. Only THEN can we focus on any Imperialistic intentions.
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  184. Kissing someone on the lips without permission has never been acceptable in any social situation. Nothing is being eroded here. Shaking hands is just fine. Air-kissing by the cheeks is perfectly acceptable. Touching a woman's lips with your lips without permission is sexual assault.
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  185. Why? How would it be better? Bearing in mind Trump has a history of blackmailing countries the US has trade agreements with and will break commitments at the drop of a hat.
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  186.  @Bungle-UK  No. It isn't. The UK is failing. The US is falling apart. The EU is doing just fine.
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  187. Never. But attacking vulnerable minorities is classic, far right.
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  188. I think it would solve everyone's problems if the UK just kicked England out of the UK.
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  189.  @BB-qp9ri  The EU are not "foreign rulers", whoever conned you with that BS? We are MAJOR players in the EU and we COOPERATE with other rules over mutually beneficial laws to make trade and commerce CHEAP for small businesses and to make working conditions better for working people. The only reason the EU is so badly misrepresented is because RICH people want to carve up Britain and sell it to the US. When we come out of the EU we will lose a great deal of actual sovereignty to the US. We will have to follow their rules far more than we ever had to follow EU rules which WE OURSELVES helped to formulate.
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  190. Lookup "The Cuban Missile Crisis". That has already happened, and the US didn't like it.
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  191. But for some reason no one interviewed the Tories when they do exactly the same thing and worse. Why is it only Labour get this level of scrutiny while the Tories do terrible things and no one says a peep?
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  192.  @chicotthejester9341  Because every single doctor and nurse in the UK, the US and in fact the ENTIRE WORLD are lying in some huge global conspiracy of doctors and nurses. Just to trick people like you.
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  193.  @EnglishTurbines  The ballot paper said to leave the EU only. It did not mention leaving the Single Market which is a separate treaty. In fact the leave campaign went to great pains to assure us that we would continue to have access to the Single Market.
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  194. Why would Boris stay on when the reason they forced him to resign is his extreme incompetence? Replace him by Monday, please!!!
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  195.  @jamesmartens7273  There’s a Russian build-up on the Ukrainian border because Russia wants a guarantee that the Ukraine will never be a NATO member and therefore will NEVER have NATO nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons in Ukraine will take 5 minutes to reach Moscow, not nearly enough time for Russia to respond. Therefore, the entire MAD stand-off breaks down. It is EXACTLY like the Cuban Missile Crisis in reverse and NATO knows it.
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  196. They're not putting the boot in. It's a pretty balanced and honest discussion.
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  197. Boris has voted against Brexit enough times in the past.
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  198.  @playstationnation1515  I don't see how the EU is relevant to this. But we do get more democracy being in the EU. Not only do we get to vote for the British government we also get to vote in the EU Parliament giving us real democratic power in how Europe wide decisions are made. Leaving the EU gives us, the voting people, less democracy. Obviously.
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  199.  @mcebabds  What you call "bread crumbs" amounts to 25% of Europe's GDP (your figures).
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  200. It's not denial, it's just more lies.
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  201.  @bobrail733  "Everyone knows they won't get in corrupted EU" - Scotland have much of the UK fishing & oil they'll do fine, they can have an FTA if it takes a little longer to rejoin.
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  202.  @ninetalesxyo8842  "2 million voted for the Union in 2014 " - They voted for the European Union.
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  203.  @JW-YT  "the political deficit" - What political deficit? Margret Thatcher practically built the Single Market which is now the very foundation of the union. The UK can be as politically involved as the imagination of our leaders. It is not the EU's fault that we keep voting in stupid small-minded idiots with no vision beyond the shores of England and for whome "feed the rich cut services to the poor" is the only way they know to provide for their super rich doners.
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  204.  @hoggarththewisesmeagol8362  "Why do you need rules for a free trade deal?" - to make trading cheaper and easier. The EU common market has standards of food quality so that every company does not have to pay for food quality checks on everything they buy to meet local legal requirements. The EU common market also has a strong hard external border rules so traders can ship products cheaply without them being delayed or checked at the internal borders. The common market also has rules guaranteeing the workers who produced the goods were given basic human rights including minimum wages and equality for women etc... They also regulate big businesses (like Banks) to make sure they are not ripping off their customers. Because of those rules the EU common market is the most sought after market in the world with the highest quality of goods and the easiest trading conditions for the business. We are crazy to want to leave it because of manipulative propaganda.
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  205.  @Robert_Martyr  Donald Trump is one the the main people destroying the earth. He has never even read the Bible. In an interview he could not quote a single verse. He has repealed conservation laws, deregulated big business and he claims that Global Warming is a conspiracy by the Chinese government. Donald Trump is stealing as much money as he can from Americans before the economy goes down the toilet and he gets kicked out of office by his own party.
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  206. "We don't have enough housing for our own population." - That is nothing to do with immigrants that is entirely the fault of the government not building social housing for the last 15 years. The housing crisis is artificially manufactured by Tories to keep house prices and rents high.
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  207.  @MyVinnyp  "I know talks are ongoing to remedy this but it does need good political will on both sides," - There is really not much to negotiate. The UK government knew the EU rules before we left. They just lied about them to trick people into voting for Brexit. The EU is not gong to change its rules just for the UK. We knew this would happen. We voted for this.
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  208. The EU can't agree to dropping the backstop. The reason is that 27 countries can not and should not allow unregulated goods coming through an unchecked border. No one should expect 27 countries to compromise the integrity of their collective territory just because Britain doesn't know how to untangle itself from its peace treaty in Ireland.
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  209.  @schenwig  "It was not foreseen that the EU was going to be so arrogant and discriminatory against the UK" - I have seen no evidence of that. Seems the other way round to me, the UK is being discriminatory and arrogant. The UK seems to be deliberately sabotaging the negotiations tbh.
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  210.  @igotvaccinated2816  Brexit didn't give you the vaccine. The UK could have made its own vaccination arrangements even if it had stayed in the EU. Entry into the EU vaccination program is purely voluntary and any member state is free to do its own thing.
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  211. There is ZERO evidence of cheating. By now they would have found a shred of evidence if any existed.
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  212.  @350pauli  But Britain can't even feed itself. If we don't trade we will starve. Also the UK never lost its sovereignty. That's just a manipulative term. Whenever you agree a trade deal you are expected to stick to the terms you agreed to. That is not "losing sovereignty". That's making a deal and sticking by your words. Furthermore stop listening to Boris Johnson. The EU have been extremely sensible and reasonable throughout this process. It is our government that are acting like babies and throwing the toys out of the pram, stamping their feet and threatening to hold their breath until they collapse if they can't have everything their own way. Britain is a laughing stock right now.
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  213. Cummings' only plan was to rip the UK out of its seat of considerable power in Europe simply to sell it off lock, stock and NHS to big American corporations. That plan is dead as a parrot so Cummings is off, leaving others to take the blame for what is about to happen. This way Cumming gets to avoid all the blame for the absolute disaster that is about to hit Britain. He can claim Brexit is so utterly terrible because he wasn't in charge at the crucial time.
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  214.  @pg8835  "We want our nation back, .." - This nation does not belong to racists. "... our culture and identity" - Your culture and identity is "racist" and it is not welcome in Britain. We fought a war to get rid of it., " our jobs, our industry, our religion." - non whites do not take any of those things away from you.
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  215. Well said. Only rich people should be able to get married buy a house and have children. Poor people should just shut the f up, stay single and lonely and work harder to make more profits for the rich.
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  216. No, the obvious choice is someone who people actually like.
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  217. Brexit was a protest vote against David Cameron and Austerity and it was for people offering unobtainable fairy tales instead. If he gets involved now against "no-deal" it will only make people want "no-deal" even more. A lot of people want whatever Cameron doesn't want regardless if it causes them more harm than good. Cameron's Austerity broke the country and this is the result - a lot of people would commit economic self-harm as long as it makes Cameron (and anyone who appears to be on the same side) feel bad.
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  218.  @Billy-fo1hq  Your slogan beats truth and facts every time.
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  219. @Charles White "we know that the EU is butt-hurt about our leaving, and is not making things as easy for us as they might be" - That's Tory propaganda. The fact is the EU has bent over backwards to make Brexit as easy as possible for us and they have been nothing but professional throughout. It is the Tory Government that has simply blamed all the problems caused by Brexit on the EU as an excuse. It was either blame the EU or admit they lied about what Brexit would really be like.
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  220. @Death to the EU regime "No deal is better than a bad deal... Remember?????" - If only what we had with the EU was a bad deal! Then there would be some reason for all this. So after leaving the best deal available, the one that other countries are scrabbling to join, all deals are going to be bad in comparison. And no. No deal is NOT better than a bad deal. No deal is by definition the worst trading position possible.
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  221. The Lib Dems are the only people offering a credible end to Brexit. Labour is way too undecided. I can't trust them to pick the right side. Conservatives want to trash the country with their "no-deal" stupidity. #MakeBrexitStop
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  222.  @dvidclapperton  The FTA can not be improved by much. The only way to improve trade with the EU is by re-joining the Single Market or forming a Customs Union. But as far as FTAs go, you can't get better than zero tariffs on everything (rules of origin not withstanding).
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  223.  @jasondevon481  "resulting in delay after delay" - It was hard core Brexiteers in Parliament that started putting the brakes on and voting against Brexit. This latest delay is caused by Boris Johnson. After Parliament voted to start processing his deal he withdrew it - causing a delay - and decided to have a General Election instead.
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  224.  @jasondevon481  "Labour have abandoned the working class outside of London" - That is ridiculous Tory propaganda that the people in the video have swallowed wholesale. What they mean is that Labour has abandoned Brexit. The people in the video are just too stupid to realise that abandoning Brexit is very much supporting the working class outside London because the working class will be most badly affected by Brexit in those areas. London will be fine. "It was Labour who nearly bankrupted this country" - Labour did NOT nearly bankrupt the country. More Tory propaganda. The banks destroyed the world economy by ripping off poor people and then the Tories made the poor people pay for the rich bankers mistakes.
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  225. He barely knows what money is. He had to ask a shopkeeper how to use a credit card when he was pretending to be a normal person buying a can of coke.
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  226.  @jacobmcguire3336  Why were you paying the mortgage on someone else's house? The house could have been put in your name or you could have had joint ownership. If I get a job at the local corner shop, I don't also pay for the owner's mortgage. That is their responsibility out of their own earnings.
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  227. That costs money. Not the Tory way. The Tories are bringing in skilled workers from other countries because that means other countries paid to educate and train them. Now that we've kicked out foreign workers from our low paid jobs, the Tories get to skimp on education for British kids because those low paid jobs still need doing and so now they're going to have to be done by British workers. So the Tories save money by bringing in skilled workers for the top jobs and save money by not training British kids because they need them to do the unskilled jobs. All that saved money gets given to the rich in the form of tax-cuts for high earners. Welcome to Brexit Britain.
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  228. It is not like we didn't already try that.
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  229. Exactly. It is like the Cuban Missile Crisis in reverse. The US are such hypocrites.
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  230. They're not joining the EU. They are dealing with the reality that we should never have left.
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  231. The Tories give the middle classes just enough to keep them voting Tory. They severely kneecap upward mobility for the working class to keep the middle classes from becoming larger than absolutely necessary.
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  232.  @gambrydew2059  Europe has spent much more than the US and has earmarked practically double what the US has committed so far.
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  233. Can't believe a word she says. May as well read a random science fiction novel for 37 minutes and 54 seconds.
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  234.  mc 74 Two  Anybody. Literally anybody could do a better job.
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  235. "His ideology has also killed tens of millions" - No, it didn't. Evil people did.
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  236.  @paulies5407  "Parliament are trying to circumvent the leave vote" - Parliament has the absolute right to do so because Parliament is Sovereign. However they are not trying to circumvent the leave vote. No one voted to leave without a deal. We were told we would get a very good deal. That's what people voted for.
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  237. Any failures will not be the NHS fault but the Conservative governments that have starved the NHS of funding for over a decade. The staff are brilliant but they are working in an establishment that has been crippled by Conservative governments that want to get rid of it.
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  238. Only UK clown MPs are treating this as a bargaining game. The EU has always taken this process seriously. The UK has been a joke in this and it just looks to get worse.
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  239.  @TheRockkickass  "he closed the boarders with China very early" - Not really. When Trump closed the borders thousands of passengers had already traveled to the US from China, So it was too late and ineffective. And even then Trump only stopped Chinese passengers from entering the US, he still allowed people from other countries coming from China into the US. Closing the borders does very little according to the doctors. The ONLY thing that makes an impact is the behavior of the people. So you need lock-down and testing testing testing. That's what the experts have been saying from the beginning. Closing a border after the virus had arrived did nothing much.
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  240. But it is hard right to be a fascist.
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  241.  @jakoflynn2560  "it’s hard left to see a fascist in any opposing view" - No, that would be just plain stupid. Almost as stupid as walking your country into fascism just because you hate gay people or foreigners and think fascism can never happen to you. Remember, Hitler was very popular, and he hated immigrants, and he hated European cooperation and just wanted to Make Germany Great Again.
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  242. He was basking in the glory of their chant.
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  243.  @Calamity-js  "who's side are you on" - Truth?
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  244.  @JW-YT  "the reasons for that apply equally to the EU" - Not at all. The EU is a coalition of sovereign equals. The UK is not.
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  245.  @JW-YT  "and be bound to those 27 countries" - The EU has FTA's and bilateral agreements with hundreds of nations amounting to something like 700 individual trade deals or bilateral arrangements. We will not be able to equal that for DECADES and probably not ever. Especially as the US will be telling us who we can and can not trade with.
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  246. Was Cuba allowed to choose to house Russian missiles? No. When the situation was in reverse, the US didn't respect Cuba's "sovereign" decision. Such hypocrisy.
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  247.  @physiocrat7143  " I doubt if the UK producers expected that the EU would be so idiotic as to deprive EU consumers (ie people like me) of what is an occasional treat" - The EU isn't depriving anyone of anything. The EU isn't doing anything differently. We knew the EU trading rules before we voted for Brexit (because the UK helped make those rules). The EU has not changed any rules, we voted ourselves out of the market that was buying most of our produce. It is Brexit and ONLY Brexit that is doing this. If you voted for Brexit you voted for this.
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  248.  @MyVinnyp  "there are better markets with less red tape outside of the EU" - Name one. Faster to transport? Nope. Even under the current conditions it is still much faster to transport goods to and from France than thousands of miles across the ocean. Cheaper to transport? Nope. It is still cheaper to drive stuff to/from France than ship it to/from thousands of miles away. Sure, Big Businesses like supermarkets are going to find it easier than most. But if there were better markets outside the EU, our businesses would already be using them. Being in the EU never prevented us from doing business all over the world.
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  249.  @MyVinnyp  "The EU did prevent the UK from being an independent trading nation where the UK had to apply punitive tariffs outside of the EU which made the UK too expensive." - Our tariffs do not make us too expensive to other countries - THEIR tariffs make us too expensive. Our tariffs affect only INCOMING prices, not how expensive we are to the rest of the world. The UK still has to apply punitive tariffs to third countries. Every country does. The EU is not unusual in this, it is literally WTO rules. The UK WTO tariff schedule is largely copied directly from the EU's with a few reductions. But if we reduce external tariffs we put British companies out of business. Unless we start paying British workers the same price as workers in China & Africa, we can't compete without punitive tariffs. They are a fact of international trade.
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  250.  @MyVinnyp  "Within the EU the UK only had 1/28th of the say in any trade agreements which took years to agree" - That is not true. In the EU EVERY MEMBER can say no to a trade deal. We had 100% control over every single trade deal the EU did, as does every other member state. Our current deal with the EU will not be ratified unless EVERY ONE of the 27 countries agrees and signs. And making deals as part of the EU is so much better because they are bigger and get better deals. Not one of our roll-over deals is better than what we had in the EU.
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  251.  @MyVinnyp  "The UK government were happy with a free trade deal with the EU but the EU have different ideas." - We have a Free Trade Deal. And that's all we have. We do not have the barrier-free access to the EU we used to have the same way we don't have barrier-free access to any other country in the world.
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  252.  @MyVinnyp  "Did you not hear the farmer say that even if he fills in the paperwork correctly his produce is still rejected?" - Every country in the world has Trading Standards to be adhered to when selling into their country. That is not just an EU thing. We already knew the EU's third country trading rules before we even voted for Brexit, which is why we were warning people how bad it would be for business. We were labelled as "Project Fear" remember? Now it's Project Reality. And it is going to get worse in a few months because, right now, the EU is helping us by giving us time before they impose their rules in full. Right now it is only half as bad as it will get in a few months.
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  253.  @MyVinnyp  "The problem for the EU is their actions are having the opposite effect, have you seen the protests of Mep's within the EU Parliament criticising the commission for the way they are treating the UK?" - No. Why don't you provide a link? The EU Parliament is free to reject the EU-UK trade deal if it doesn't like it. No law gets passed in the EU without the Democratically Elected EU Parliament voting it through.
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  254.  @MyVinnyp  "The only loser is the EU in the long term." - Tell that to the UK fishing industry, the UK farming industry and thousands of small to medium-sized businesses that are currently facing extinction.
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  255.  @kraftdigital254  "without american help ukraine wouldn't last 72 hours" - That doesn't excuse Trump and Vance's shameful behavior. The US has come to a very low place today.
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  256.  @Land-of-reason  "The EU have abused their position.." - How? Please explain?
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  257.  @theredboneking  "record cold temperatures around the world" - Those are a sign of global warming. Global warming means more extremes of weather - both hotter & colder.
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  258.  @SC-su1zb  "It's not the conservatives fault" - Who's fault is it then, the man in the moon? The Conservatives were in power for the last 10+ years of course it is the Conservatives fault that the taxes we paid were not spent on the NHS. The money they did give to the NHS was less than inflation meaning they have CUT the NHS's budget year on year for over a decade. The Conservatives deliberately under-fund the NHS every single time they are in power because most Tories hate socialism and the NHS is as socialist as it gets.
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  259. Foreign aid provides benefits. We don't need to stop foreign aid to solve the homeless problem.
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  260. The headline it true.
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  261.  @jasonspringer2983  And secondly Britain VOTED to allow freedom of movement. It is OUR CHOICE. Further more WE NEED IT because we do not have a large enough working population to pay for our elderly retired citizens. We also do not have the skilled staff for key industries like the health service. WE NEED IMMIGRATION.
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  262.    "I doubt if these people voted to leave the EU" - Many of them did. Some of them in the video said they would vote the other way now.
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  263. Maybe humans are the disease and Covid-19 is part of the planet's immune system?
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  264.  @markmeyer3787  "He is against Islamists, everyone should be" - All groups of people are basically the same. The vast majority are just decent, peace-loving people. There will always be a few crazy people spreading hatred and violence. So far no one from Islam has started an actual world war, whereas crazy extremists in Europe have started 2. Always beware of people who hate ENTIRE GROUPS of people. Those are the ones who cause the problems, not the groups themselves.
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  265. Yes. IMO it does more harm than good. The slogan that is, not the desire to reevaluate community funding.
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  266.  @helloman3676  "Can't do that in the USA ever.." - Trump already did in 2020. He tried to refuse to give up power by illegal means but his coup failed.
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  267.  @brettworrallo395  "Cry some more" - If I am crying, I am crying for people like you who have no idea what you have done.
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  268. Farage is gaslighting as usual. They need to stop giving this expletive air time.
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  269.  @pg8835  "which is what we put him in power to do" - No, Boris was elected to enact Brexit and the new relationship with the EU. Nothing else. Boris has no intention of stopping immigration. They have "changed the rules" as a pretense at doing something to fool the brainless racist crowd. But Boris knows that Britain needs immigration. So the government's current plan is to bring in "higher paid" immigrants. That is good for the government because it means that other countries will have paid for their training. That will also mean that British workers will end up doing all the sh1tty jobs that low paid immigrants used to do and immigrants will start taking the higher, more professional positions because the government can spend even less money on training British people. The irony is that the people who voted for Brexit (mostly low paid and uneducated) will end up more and more being the lackeys of immigrant bosses. I must say Priti Patel (Indian/African ancencestry) and Boris Johnson (Turkish ancencestry) have pulled a blinder.
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  270. The UK has worse debt than the EU.
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  271.  @Sleepflowrr  Healthcare in the UK is not free, we pay for it through our taxes. That is true wherever we come from, within the EU or elsewhere. People who work for the NHS pay tax, so they are paying for the NHS.
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  272. Because no-deal will hurt EU countries too. Just not nearly as much as it will hurt Britain. So they will get fed up of waiting soon.
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  273. The video of that statue being torn down and thrown in the river (where it belongs) will teach millions of people for many years to come more about that history than the statue itself ever would.
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  274. Government = "let Capitalism solve the problem".
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  275.  James Smith  Seeing as you are cross posting so will I. I am not antiwhite. But I am also not anti-any other color. I don't care what color British people are. What I care about is the kind of people they are. Their attitudes towards others. The "actual" racist here is most obviously you because skin colour means everything to you. But it means nothing to me. Having white skin does not give anyone an inherent right to live on this island anymore than it does someone with darker skin. We get to live here because it is where we were born and there are many people of many ethnic origins who are born here and who are just as equally British and entitled to stay as you are.
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  276.  @jacleena  Britain never lost its "national sovereignty". That was very obvious Brexiteer propaganda to fool people who don't know better.
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  277. Brexit Party Children.
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  278.  @Irrelevantusername000  "it seems strange that Germany and Italy are doing worse than us financially " - Not really. How other countries perform financially is irrelevant to the fact that Brexit is costing British businesses over £100 billion/year. It is a well-known fact that Germany is particularly vulnerable to the problems with Russian oil supplies in a way that the UK is not. But again, nothing about that changes how badly Brexit is harming the British economy.
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  279.  @Irrelevantusername000  "the European country doing the best economically at current is Switzerland a non EU member state" - Switzerland is in the Single Market and has Freedom of Movement. So, why don't we do that in the UK? Why don't we join the Single Market (like Switzerland) and why don't we restart Freedom of Movement (like Switzerland)?
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  280.  @Irrelevantusername000  "The idea that Britain relies on being a member of a EU is asinine " - We are not reliant on being in the EU. But we are reliant on trade with EU countries and THAT trade is so much more expensive because we left the Single Market that it is costing our business MASSIVE amounts of money - over £100 billion / year (Office of Budgetary Responsibility).
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  281.  @georgedebenham1042  "u still haven’t excepted the referendum have you" - Why do you think that? We still live in a free country don't we? We are still allowed to disagree with the government are we not? Or would you vote that away too?
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  282. Trying to make up for 10 years of deliberate neglect and trimming everything to the bone.
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  283. It could also be argued that Trump started it by pulling out of the nuclear deal with Iran and imposing oil sanctions on Iran.
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  284.  @dianahorton8753  All that money was either Iran's own money that had been frozen because of sanctions or money that the US already owed Iran because Iran paid for military equipment that was never delivered. And whether or not Iranian money was used to fund terrorist attacks is a separate issue from the nuclear deal. Pulling out of the nuclear deal only makes Iran more likely to fund terrorism not less likely.
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  285. Perhaps we should also stop eating bananas and oranges and stick to only what we can grow in the UK?
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  286. If by "scoring points" you mean gaining people's respect in the face of Trump's ridiculous arrogance then I give her all the points. Donald handed the match to her by being a massive cry baby.
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  287. 6:27 The River Jordan doesn't have a bank to its west?
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  288.  @mikesmart390  On the contrary. The FTA we have with the EU is the best FTA deal the EU has ever given a third country. It only feels bad because EU membership was so much better.
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  289. RENATIONALIZE the power companies. NOW. It is disgusting that private companies can sell BRITISH gas back to the British people at CRIMINAL prices and put the profits from selling OUR gas back to us, into their private bank accounts, forcing us into extreme hardship. IT IS OUR GAS.
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  290. The argument that we are over-reliant on Spain is a false argument because bad weather can strike anywhere. If we moved that production to the more-expensive UK, there is at least as much chance of bad weather striking in the UK as there is in the south of Spain. It really doesn't make much sense to be paying high prices to grow summer foods in the UK when we can be getting cheaper summer foods from hotter parts of Europe.
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  291. Trump's America. But to be fair the vast majority are just protesting and the brutal attacks from Trumps Federal Police are causing the riots.
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  292.  @chrishodgson3220  "you think your kids should have to pay tax on that house that you’ve already bought and payed tax on" - Yes. We don't tax money in this country we tax people. When someone gets income (by any means) then that person should be taxed from that income.
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  293.  @adamant5419  "You should admire the wealthy, not hate them." - You should do NEITHER. I admire people with admirable qualities. Having ooodles of money does not make a person admirable. Having a good character might, but not simply for being rich. I don't hate rich people. What gave you that idea? I just think life should be fairer.
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  294.  @snowyowel7961  But we did have a referendum to stay in the EU immediately after we joined with a landslide vote to remain.
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  295.  @rb1062  You clearly think it is okay for powerful media to advocate and encourage hatred to the level of violence. Many people feel there should be limits. Would you find the anti-Jewish propaganda that was put out by the German press in the 1930s acceptable when it encouraged people to hate Jewish people to the degree that it did? Or do you not have any idea how powerful the press is in shaping people's opinions? Many people feel that with power should come responsibility.
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  296.  @MyName-cw4yr  "your comparison with nazi Germany is a false equivalence...." - I wasn't drawing an equivalence. I was questioning as to the limits to which it is okay to spread hatred and intimate acts of violence. There has to be limits right?
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  297. @Donald Wilson I agree. It is a mess. But I suspect the UK government have gotten their hands very dirty in all this from the very beginning. The whole situation stinks and I strongly suspect UK government manipulation to pull one over on the EU. But without proof what can anyone do? The EU must feel like they're dealing with terrorists in the current UK government.
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  298.  @DontBeAWollyy  "They can’t break russias defences" - Only because they're not in charge of Russia's defences. If they were, they'd be broken.
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  299.  @moelester9770  "How did the Communist Party get 20% of the votes then and why is their leader alive?" - Because 20% isn't worth murdering or imprisoning over?
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  300. @Joseph Stalin No, you are spouting right wing propaganda. No one is suggesting removing police forces. It is about funding positive community schemes so that you don't need to spend so much money policing - because the CAUSES of crime are removed or greatly reduced.
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  301. We never voted to join the USA. Does that mean no British minister should ever visit the United States?
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  302. @O L Banks are regulated by government law. One reason we have Brexit is that the EU was imposing regulation on Banks to make them more accountable and responsible after they caused the big crash through irresponsible lending. Obviously rich people who have stakes in banks wanted to avoid that regulation through Brexit. They want to avoid the Social Charter and the Court of Human Rights for the same reason. Brexit makes some rich people richer. That is why Brexit has always been backed by ultra right-wing Tory Toffs.
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  303.  @everything777  A world without perverts who can't stop themselves groping people who don't want to be groped.
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  304.  @jonsid6628  Specifically what did I say that isn't 100% demonstrably true?
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  305. Exactly we don't need Scotland in order to sink. England is more than capable of sinking all by itself.
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  306. Brexit breaks Northern Ireland. We told you so. It was obvious. The British Government don't care. Brexit voters don't care. That is the long and the sort of it. Brexit before peace in Northern Ireland.
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  307.  @Essemm52  But only English nationalism (Tory/Brexit nationalism) is toxic nationalism - closer to fascism even.
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  308.  @r13hd22  Britain is already its own nation. Why do you think it is not? After Brexit then we will be forced into a one sided trade deal with the US. THEN we will have no choice about how high we jump and what shape hoops we jump through. We will have to do what Uncle Sam tells us. We never had it so good as we have it now in the EU.
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  309. They never did.
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  310.  @stevejwilliams61  "in a welfare Country a large portion of immigrants have a negative effect on the economy." - Utter made up rubbish. Factually untrue. Stop swallowing the racist propaganda and read the offical reports made by credible institutions: https://www.oxfordeconomics.com/recent-releases/8747673d-3b26-439b-9693-0e250df6dbba
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  311. I think that would be "Brexit and bust".
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  312.  @kellyglen7909  What don't you believe? Don't you believe we have migrant workers in the NHS? Don't you believe migrant workers have been paying extra to use the NHS? Don't you believe that the government reversed that decision today? What is there not to believe???
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  313.  @TheRockkickass  "now we r testing more than every other country" - Well that's possible. But I would not take Trump's word for that, I would have to go to a credible source. I suspect South Korea is hard to beat in terms of their response and testing.
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  314. @Dr Carrot "Have you ever listened to a BLM spokesman ?" - Well it is clear that you have not. Here is a video on their official website, in the video they discuss defunding the police by 5% and using that 5% to spend on community reform (housing education and jobs etc...). https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-defunding-the-police-really-means/
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  315.  @jakoflynn2560  "her beliefs are not fascist are they?" - Her party has a pure fascist heritage and descends from Mussolini's original Fascist Party. She herself has spoken of her admiration for Mussolini. Her slogan is originally a fascist slogan "God, homeland, family" from Mussolini's era. Fascism always starts democratic (Mussolini/Hitler) on a wave of populism with a charismatic leader. Fascists have always moderated their message until they get into power.
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  316. @M R " our democratically elected government stood up to the undemocratic EU" - The EU is objectively more democratic than the UK government. Furthermore, the UK government has ZERO control and ZERO leverage over the EU. The UK government complained but had ZERO influence in the decision to back down which came from within the EU itself.
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  317.  @ZahidKhan-vy8yu  "To be fair the opposition only ..." - Way to blame everyone else for this governments' incompetence.
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  318. It already is. More people are leaving Britain than are arriving in dingys.
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  319.  @keyo525  " the higher the tax rate the less the economy makes therefore less tax collected" - Except countries that have historically outperformed the UK, like Germany have historically collected more tax than the UK.
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  320. Losing Trump destroyed his plans for Britain. Without the US and without the EU Britain is a disaster unfolding. Cummings is a rat leaving the ship he himself sank.
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  321.  @archvaldor  "so we should fix the problems with the same policies" - They don't have even remotely the same policies. Obviously they both need to tax because that's where the Tories left us - without any money and a huge public services bill.
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  322. I doubt if you have read 1984 if you think removing statues of slave traders has anything whatsoever to do with it.
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  323.  @JW-YT  "the EU member states are not equals." - They are equals at the top. The leaders of the EU are the member nations and each have an equal say in the European Council. They each get to provide one Commissioner. So the top is fully equal by country. The bottom is proportionally equal as in divided up according to population. So throughout the union each person has equal democratic power in the European Parliament and a the top the each nation has equal democratic power on the European Council (and its commission).
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  324.  @JW-YT  "Tell me how the US are going to screw over someone? In what way." - If you have not been paying attention Trump has been bossing all its trading partners around. He has even been interfering in Maxico's politics on pain of raising tariffs if they don't comply. Regarding a deal with the UK the US has already specified it can suspend any part of our deal if our circumstances change - as in if we make a trade deal with another country. So the US is going to control who we do and who we do not make trade deals with - on pain of suspending their own trade deal with us. Oh and if you did not notice the Tories voted to put the NHS back on the table in a trade deal with the US. Thanks to Brexit the US is going to keep screwing us until we regain the sense to rejoin the EU where we have actual sovereign and democratic power to shape the continent we inhabit and thereby the world beyond.
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  325. @MGazT Any sensible person recognizes that Brexit invalidates the previous referendum.
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  326. @Pangolin Steak & Bat Gravy Because that ended so well...
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  327. ​ @xdgamesCoUk  It is almost cute that you actually believe that poor people are poor because they are lazy or make bad choices. Let me tell you how the world works. Poor people are poor because if you make everyone rich then no one will bother doing any work because they already have all the money they need. But if no one does any work there will be no food/clothing/houses for people to spend their money on and everyone will suddenly become poor. So the real reason there are poor people is because without poor people no work would get done and everybody would become poor. So all of politics is about one thing and one thing only - how much should we squeeze poor people? The REAL reason that certain rich people promoted Brexit is because the EU prevents them from screwing over the poor people as much as they want to screw them over. If we leave the EU they will be able to make the poor even more poor than they are now thus inducing them to work harder to feed themselves which might provide a more economically mobile country. Economically mobile does not mean richer however. Britain will be poorer but the rich/poor divide will be greater so the rich will actually be better off even though the country will be poorer. #Economics101 + #Brexit101 for full credit.
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  328.  @physiocrat7143  "There are enough British to eat all the British cheese." - Tell that to the producers that are currently losing business because they can't sell their produce abroad. If they could sell it to the UK market they would have been doing that well before Brexit. Most likely they saturated the UK market and expanded into the EU. Now the EU part of their business is being severely damaged, as expected.
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  329.  @MyVinnyp  "There are currently no red tape problems on trade outside the EU, only with the EU." - Where did you get this idea from? The UK has food standards laws just like the EU does. Importing stuff from third countries still requires red-tape (tariffs, vat, health & safety laws etc...). The EU has higher standards than most, but that was a good thing. Until January our businesses had access to the largest market in the world with zero red-tape and zero tariffs and unbeatably cheap transport costs. Now that cheap trading zone is costing them their profits. Now, trading with the EU is about the same as trading anywhere else in the world except the EU is still closer and therefore still cheaper and easier.
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  330.  @MyVinnyp  "It is not cheaper for UK businesses if 30% in costs have been added to trade with the EU and perishables are refused at EU entry points that go to waste." - See what damage Brexit has done? Trading with France is now nearly as expensive as trading anywhere else in the world. And don't forget we have an FTA with the EU, so tariffs are going to be much lower with the EU than most other countries and transport is still way faster than shipping thousands of miles.
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  331.  @MyVinnyp  "Of course there are better markets outside of the EU as the EU is riven with internal conflicts and rife with covid restrictions." - What nonsense. The whole world has these problems but the EU is going to be coming out of them faster than most. Their vaccination program may be a few weeks behind the UK and US, but only a few weeks. Brexit lasts forever.
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  332.  @MyVinnyp  "Liz Truss seems to achieve them quickly," - All she is doing is "rolling over" deals the EU made, and the UK is desperate, so we're not getting better terms. The Ghana deal simply gives us back what Brexit took away from us. So Liz Truss has not added 1.3 billion to the economy she merely managed to prevent Brexit costing us that 1.3 billion. But Brexit costs us billions in plenty of other deals we have not recovered from the EU. The US is our second biggest trading partner. In the EU we had bilateral trade deals to reduce trading costs substantially. They all went away on 1st January and not looking like they are returning soon.
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  333.  @MyVinnyp  "the EU have started the post brexit relationship very badly in an attempt to discourage other nations from leaving the bloc" - No they didn't. The EU have not changed their rules in the slightest. It is BREXIT that is punishing the UK and nothing else. BREXIT is discouraging other nations from leaving the block because Brexit makes no economic sense whatsoever. It never did. Which is why the Brexit leave campaign told Brexit voters to ignore all the experts.
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  334.  @MyVinnyp  "The pro EU media have sold you a pup." - I see no pro-EU media. Just lots of British fishermen and British farmers claiming they were lied to about Brexit and saying their businesses are going down the toilet. YOU are the one being lied to.
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  335.  @Anymonkeyme  "boris got his majority by leaving with no delays. " - Tories could NEVER have won if they told the electorate that if we voted for them they would leave with no-deal on January 1st 2020. Never. Boris won because he had an "oven ready deal" because even remainers just wanted Brexit to be over and they fell for Boris promising an "oven ready deal".
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  336.  @Anymonkeyme  Remember that in the 2019 election more people voted for second-referendum parties than voted for Brexit parties. Boris only got his huge majority because of the constituency boundaries. The "popular vote" was against Brexit.
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  337.  @Anymonkeyme  "That deal just went from bad to worse." - And yet Boris Johnson and all the Tory MPs voted for it and ratified it and sent it to the Queen to sign it into international law. Why? Are they just too incompetent to understand what they were signing?
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  338.  @Land-of-reason  "The EU were negotiating with opposition parties in parallel with their discussions with the government. They were undermining our elected government using the opposition to cause trouble." - Members of the British Parliament are Democratically Elected officials and have every right to engage in conversations with our trading partners and allies. I have no idea what you are talking about.
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  339.  @0penminds  What Johnson is proposing is that the EU opens up its markets to us without any of the protections they need to prevent the UK from taking unfair advantage of EU based businesses. Look up "level playing field". No one would be dumb enough to agree to that.
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  340.  @stephenobrien5909  Googling tells me Ireland debt per GDP is only 62.42% compared with the UK debt per GDP which is 85.67%. The UK is facing another decade of Austerity along with falling trade due to Brexit. At least Ireland is picking up a lot of trade and jobs from UK's loss. https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/countries-by-national-debt
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  341.  @ericlovelace6502  "seeing is believing" - I have seen it. You clearly have not. The lawyers never want this stuff leaked because it could be disqualified from the trial. Maybe the police leaked it. The lawyers only care about the JURY seeing it - that is all that matters.
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  342. Textbook Narcissistic Sociopath in the White House.
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  343.  @jasonspringer2983  "Unlike most other EU member states—and some countries outside the EU—the UK is not part of the Schengen passport-free area because it hasn’t signed the Schengen agreement. This means it can retain border controls." - https://fullfact.org/europe/border-security-eu/ Stop listening to Right Wing Fascist Brexit Propaganda.
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  344.  @jasonspringer2983  The main difference After Brexit is we will get immigrants from places like Pakistan and India and Africa rather than EU countries. If that's what you prefer. It is ECONOMICS that forced this on us NOT the EU.
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  345.  @paulatreides0777  "We already had 4 years of an empty Vessel with dementia mate" - Yes, you have. That doesn't make Trump any less of a clown.
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  346. Brexit is starving universities of foreign private students. But it's taboo for the media to mention this. Just another Brexit benefit.
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  347.  @Alfie-ni7lx  The word "defund" does not have to mean take away all funds. When I deflate a tire, I don't have to deflate the tire all the way. If you remove funding you do not have to remove ALL the funding. You are deliberately taking it at its most extreme meaning in order to spread misinformation about what they wish to achieve.
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  348.  @onejohn2.26.  "when they throw out all the charges pending against Trump" - They are not going to do that because there is too much physical evidence and too many witnesses. But Trump will, of course, pardon himself.
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  349.  @Kungs.  You don't need to listen to main stream media. You just need to listen to what comes out of Trump's own mouth to know he is a pathological liar, a Narcissistic Sociopath and an incompetent fool. As far as the Capitol invasion goes they had 2 pipe bombs and zip-ties for taking hostages. If they had gotten to the Congressmen before they escaped then they would probably all still be there.
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  350. False reasoning entirely. Immigrants CREATE as many jobs as they take (immigrants are business owners too). So they do NOT steal jobs. And how many people need medical treatment in the first week? The chances are they will pay taxes for many many years before needing healthcare JUST LIKE everyone else.
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  351.  James Smith  I am not antiwhite. But I am also not anti-any other color. I don't care what color British people are. What I care about is the kind of people they are. Their attitudes towards others. The "actual" racist here is most obviously you because skin colour means everything to you. But it means nothing to me. Having white skin does not give anyone an inherent right to live on this island anymore than it does someone with darker skin. We get to live here because it is where we were born and there are many people of many ethnic origins who are born here and who are just as equally British and entitled to stay as you are.
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  352.  @pg8835  "British people are White." - Factually untrue. British people are all different colors. For example black Africans have been in Britain since (at least) the Roman times. It is possible your personal ancestry doesn't go back that far. What if you found out you are of German descent? Would you go back to Germany and leave us in peace?
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  353. "WTF are the UK government thinking!?" - They are thinking they need a bigger crisis than Brexit to blame all the inevitable economic damage on.
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  354. @Simon John "Will the USA be making our laws or regulations when we trade with them?" - Yes, absolutely they will. They have already demanded we change our trading laws in order to be compatible with the deal they want to offer us. The demands they can make on us are many and far reaching and when we have no bargaining power we will just have to do whatever the USA tells us. For example the USA wants us to be more "hands on" in intentional conflicts. So if America starts a war somewhere - they could be forcing our soldiers to risk their lives fighting it. If we go for a full "customs union" deal with the USA including "freedom of movement" they may demand we loosen our gun laws to comply with USA gun laws so Americans don't have to leave their guns at home. The NRA basically owns USA politicians, so they would definitely be interested in opening up Britain as a new market. We could easily be swallowed up by American politics and culture.
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  355.  @IanBullough  We don't get to set other people's tariffs. So, for example, we sell 90% of our beef exports to EU countries. Under WTO their tariffs are at 37.8%. So our customers will be paying at least 37.8% more for our beef. But it gets worse. Tariffs are only half the story. By diverging from EU standards we have to add border checks and standards checks to make sure the meat adheres to local legal requirements. This means our meat will be more than 50% more expensive to our EU customers. Recently, America made a Beef deal with the EU providing zero tariff Beef to the EU. It is pretty obvious that our EU customers are going to be looking at our super expensive British beef and American super cheap beef and we are going to lose our beef customers to American producers. Goodbye British beef industry. The EU already replaced our market. BTW - Basically the same problem with British dairy products. WTO tariffs on Dairy is 39.4% for exports to the EU. We sell 90% of our dairy exports to the EU.
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  356.  @stevejwilliams61  "they had to pay because they have paid very little or nothing in!" - Nonsense they pay exactly the same as everyone else through the tax system.
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  357.  @stevejwilliams61  "We can pay for everyone and everything and more besides!" - The fact is that immigrants pay more tax and receive less in benefits than native born British. They are net contributors to the economy.
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  358.  Albert Pike  "You are not British..." - Stop spreading lies about me. I am absolutely British.
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  359.  @genessab  The problem is that not many people agree with you. Especially in Parliament where it counts.
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  360. @Charles White "Why would the EU want to make it easy for countries to leave?" - Why wouldn't they? The EU is 27 sovereign nations. They all have different opinions about Brexit. There is no overall leader of the EU, it is a COLLECTION of nations. The EU does not have "opinions" about stuff like Brexit. Individual people who work in the EU may have opinions but the EU itself does not. There is NO MECHANISM by which the EU can deliberately and secretly "make life harder" for individual countries under the covers. 27 sovereign nations can not all collude to make such a thing happen. Use YOUR head. Tories can not possibly admit anything bad about Brexit so they desperately need to blame all the bad stuff on something else. So they blame remainers/the EU/etc...
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  361. @Charles White "if we want to sell into the EU we must meet their standards" - Exactly. British companies MUST follow EU law and we have no say in what those laws are. And the EU accounts for HALF of all our external trade. We have become rule-takers rather than rule-makers.
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  362. @Charles White "Now Europe is just a homogenous area where you can buy croissants anywhere." - What are you talking about? You can by frikkin croissants in Japan or Africa. You can buy croissants ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. That has NOTHING to do with the EU.
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  363. @Charles White "motorways to nowhere are being carved into the pristine hillsides of Portugal and Greece" - Nothing to do with the EU. People want roads. Should we start digging our roads up?
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  364. Because he signed a ceasefire 10 years ago and Russia ignored it and invaded regardless. What is the point of signing a piece of paper that Russia is going to ignore? Please answer.
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  365.  @studmalexy  She fled from Somalia when she was 9 because of the war. She was naturalized as an American citizen when she was 12. She claims to be American because she is American. She clearly loves America because she fights so hard to give the poor in America a better future. This idea that she "hates America" just because she disagrees with Donald Trump is just nasty bullying propaganda to manipulate people. If Donald Trump could argue against her politics he would. But he is resorting to slander and inciting hatred against her because he is unable to debate the issues.
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  366.  @leemccccccc999  "Women with any kind of power is dangerous" - You sound insecure.
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  367. Our government specifically removed the protections on workers rights from the Withdrawal Agreement so they clearly are not going to allow any potential benefits of Brexit to end up in the pockets of ordinary working people. Brexit is to server the very rich and very powerful at the great expense of those who voted for it.
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  368.  @danielpalacios9626  It is not for you to tell people what does and what does not concern them. Like it or not British people have millions of European friends and family and Britain will continue to do massive trade with EU countries.
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  369.  @999DaveUK  No, it's because the Tory government has favored the rich and penalized the poor. The EU has nothing to do with that.
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  370. @Smokeango Migrants have only added to our economy. Everyone agrees with that. In fact without migrants we have no way to pay the pensions of our elderly. So we will be getting immigrants Brexit or not. The difference is if we do Brexit we will be taking on more immigrants from non-European countries. The reason we don't have enough houses is because the Tory government didn't build enough.
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  371.  Lei P  "They will suffer even more under the corrupt EU" - Britain had very strong growth and a healthy economy before Brexit. The EU was always very beneficial to us economically. And I don't see any corruption except on the odd radical-conspiracy-theory tin-foil hat website.
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  372.  @jasondevon481  We pay billions, we gain trillions. Norway pays the EU more than we do (per capita) and all the Brexiteers told us we should go for a Norway deal. When 50% of our export goods will suddenly get taxed on average at 10% and 50% of our import goods will cost on average 10% more we will realize how little the membership fee costs us compared to how much Brexit will cost us. Oh and not forgetting that 50% of everything will move more slowly through the borders costing even more.
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  373.  Jackie Cooksey  For my part I will simply switch to campaigning to rejoin. When you people find out how terribly you have been lied to, that will be the next big thing for Britain - trying to get back into the EU.
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  374. @Buffalo 66 Don't forget it is the Tories that always underfund education. Tories don't want people to be too educated so they actively legislate against it.
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  375. Now that we have left the EU we can't send them back like we used to.
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  376.  pinkie perky  Not an excuse. We had plenty of time because we had Italy as an example to look forward to. They were weeks ahead of us. But instead of implementing measures in advance of Italy like EVERYONE was saying Boris decided to follow Dominic Cummings' plan for three weeks until even the right-wing Tory press started turning against them. When the Telegraph starts calling a Tory government to account you know its bad. Very very bad.
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  377. Populism and nouveau-fascism are on the rise again.
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  378.  @starwarsprequelsandsequels7582  I would have thought the French would have had enough of populist fascists after that little German guy, the one born in Austria.
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  379. We all know the letter B here means "Black". It is also true that WHITE crime will never stop. But at least here you are exposing your racism. Reported.
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  380. The problem is a LOT more black people die at police hands and even during regular times black people are targetted by police for general harassment and intimidation. Your idea that it is the same for whites as blacks is very very ignorant.
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  381. It is so simple. Peace in Northern Ireland relies on both north and south being in the same customs territory. Nothing can change that. This is OUR problem and not of the EU making. All the EU are saying is that they can not agree to any deal that returns Northern Ireland to violence. Boris & Cummings deal would risk violence because it creates separate customs territories. It is our peace process in Ireland that is "to blame" and there are no solutions to that other than keeping Northern Ireland in the same Customs Union as Ireland. Theresa May recognized that, The EU recognize that. In fact even Boris & Cummings know that. But they would never admit it because they want Brexit more than they want peace in Northern Ireland and that means a "no-deal" Brexit.
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  382. "The campaign for a second independence vote began the day after the decent people of Scotland supported the Union " - So? That changes absolutely nothing. Saying it does won't make it so. The points are all very valid.
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  383. Absolutely correct. The only person delaying Brexit right now is Boris Johnson who took the deal away from Parliament after they voted to debate it and to move it forward.
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  384.  @theant9821  "it has already been taxed" - No. We are not taxing things like houses and farms. We tax people when they receive income. People pay tax on their inheritance. The inheritance is not being taxed, the person receiving it is being taxed. If my father leaves me a house - I have not paid any tax wrt that income. So I must be taxed on it. If I work in a factory, I do not argue that I must not pay tax because the money used to pay me has already been taxed when the factory earned that money from customers who also paid tax. No. We do not tax the thing, we tax the person when money comes to them.
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  385.  @aryastark772  "There are 1000000 more ways to raise the money they need" - Not really, the government gets its money from tax. If they don't tax millionaire land owners then they will have to tax you and me more. There is no magic money tree.
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  386.  @chicotthejester9341  Funny, I don't believe you. The fact you think all the hospitals of THE ENTIRE WORLD are just pretending to have a massive health problem removes any credibility from you. I guess you think the dead bodies are imaginary too?
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  387. There is no "free for all". Everyone who works in Britain is PAYING TAX. Immigrant workers are not getting anything for free, they are paying for it the exact same way we pay for it - through taxes.
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  388.  @bushwhacked7112  We are going to have big problems with the coming depression because we rely on migrant workers and the migrant workers are not coming. There is no one to harvest our food that is rotting in our fields. Furthermore we, as a country, are unable to feed ourselves and yet the government is picking a fight with our European friends who grow most of our food. The worst enemy for Britain right now is isolationism. We need to be cooperating with other countries and we need to be welcoming to migrant workers if we want to survive the economic crash.
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  389.  @krob2327  "so you prefer immigration to compete with low skilled workers rather than high?" - I prefer giving British kids a better education and training so they can compete in the high paid jobs. We have a shortage of workers. That means we need at least SOME immigration. Better for British kids to have the opportunity of better paying jobs.
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  390.  @RupeWilson  "i think you will find Cameron and others all explained quit well how important this was and what would happen after we triggered article 50" - The problem is that the leave campaign manipulated the voters by saying that all of that was "Project Fear" and told us that it would never come to that because we would get a great deal because the EU needs us more than we need them and no one believes we will not have access to the Single Market etc. etc. etc. lie. lie. lie.... What you are basically arguing now is that PROJECT FEAR was actually PROJECT TRUTH and that we should have ignored everything the Leave Campaign told us.
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  391.  ADOLF SHITLER  The EU doesn't have a dictatorship. It is literally the EXACT OPPOSITE being a council of multiple nations working in cooperation. It is also democratic - arguable more so that the British Government.
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  392.  @Noddy656  Everyone in the EU is elected. One thing Brexit did do was prompt me to discover the truth about the EU and it is more democratic than Britain.
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  393.  @snowyowel7961  "they do not believe in Democracy in the EU" - Don't be daft. They literally keep making the EU more and more democratic. Over time more power has shifted to the ELECTED Parliament and away from the Commission. In fact that was a big reason Brexit politicians wanted to leave - too much "power" in the democratic portion of the EU. The question is why do people like you want to give up your democratic vote in everything the EU does? The EU gives us, the people, more democracy, not less.
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  394.  @oafpolitics179  Of course the EU is far more trustworthy than the UK. But it doesn't matter. Responsible adults don't run a country by leaving the gates wide open. You don't like being part of the EU but apparently you trust them to have a gaping unchecked border into Britain from their territory. But (thankfully) you are not running a country. People who run the country have a responsibility to keep the people in that country safe and that means checking what comes in from ANY country that doesn't uphold (by treaty) the same regulations we do.
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  395.  @joewood5647  "There will always be losers and winners" - And the UK is the losers. The Single Market was the mist lucrative trade deal will could ever have anywhere in the world.
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  396.  @joewood5647  "We have been under the thumb of the EU for over 40 years..." - Utter BS. When we were members WE WERE THE EU. We had major influence and many EU laws were copied directly from the UK law-books. WE BUILT THE SINGLE MARKET. We also had the cheapest membership fee per unit of GDP more than our fair share of seats in the EU parliament and more concessions/opt-outs than anyone else. Not only was the EU our best deal, we had the best deal in the EU out of ALL the other nations.
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  397. The fact that the meal is part of a working day schedule with work items before and after the meal is stark proof that this is nothing but a smear campaign. Durum Police should be investigated for suddenly deciding to investigate this case after they themselves already investigated and dismissed it. There is clearly some political corruption going on there.
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  398.  @davidsherman361  Trump is the swamp.
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  399. I wonder if people would say the same thing if Russia was attacking their home country.
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  400.  @lenocman2  The EU have exported millions of vaccines to the UK, but the UK has not exported ANY vaccines to the EU (or anywhere else). So the EU are just trying to do what the UK has been doing all along - protecting their citizens.
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  401. @Jo Sm The legal regimes in the EU and UK are different. There is no such thing as a legal obligation to supply the UK before the EU. If the vaccines were manufactured in the EU then EU law applies and UK law is irrelevant. If there is a contractual obligation to deliver to the EU, then AZ have no right to expect to be allowed to export those vaccines to a 3rd country like the UK. It is that simple. The UK are hypocrites for complaining because the EU have supplied 45 million doses of vaccines to other countries and the UK has done nothing for anyone other than themselves. Now I am not blaming the UK for that, the same way I am not blaming the EU for wanting to do the same thing.
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  402. @Jo Sm "Read senior MEP Guy Verhofstadt's assessment of the two contracts? He's a senior EU minister. He totally disagrees with you." - I have read it. He does not disagree with anything I said. All he talks about is why AZ are more incentivized to deliver to the UK rather than the EU because of the contracts. That doesn't change the fact that BOTH contracts are legally binding in their respective countries and so AZ continues to have an obligation to deliver to the EU. Moreover, the EU based companies are under EU law and so if the EU passes an export ban into law to ensure its contracts are met, then EU based AZ will legally have to comply. UK law is irrelevant. UK contracts are irrelevant.
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  403. He already knows the EU can't budge he is just scapegoating them. The EU have been nothing but reasonable throughout these proceedings.
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  404.  @riquelmeone  "so tell me, how did the government break this one?" - I don't know. But hopefully some investigative journalists are looking into who got the contract to change the technical systems that caused the failure. This government have a habbit of making sure their friends and donors get work that they are not necessarily qualified to do.
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  405.  Teresa Watts  It is not about contributions. Contributions are irrelevant, negligible, peanuts compared with the trillions in trade. Obviously a much much smaller percentage of businesses in EU countries will be affected then UK businesses. In terms of trade value, Britain does 50% of its trade with EU countries but, as a whole, the EU does about 20% of its trade with the UK. So 50% of our economy will be damaged as opposed to 20% of the EU's economy. But the EU has faster recovery because they have trade deals throughout the world and we will have none. So their businesses can recover faster by finding alternative zero-tariff suppliers and consumers. Our businesses will be trading through WTO tariffs everywhere we go.
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  406.  Teresa Watts  No, the Brexiteer leave campaign want you to think the contributions are important so that you resent paying them and so you think your are saving money by not paying them. EU contributions are calculated according to the amount of trade a country does. The more we benefit from trading in the EU the larger our contributions. So if we pay a lot, it is because we make a lot in trade. Contributions are irrelevant compared to the trade value . UK contributes a NET of £9 billion but the GDP generated by the trade is nearly £3,000 billion . Obviously what will damage the UK and the EU countries most is the trade. But the EU will be damaged much less than the UK for the reasons I already gave.
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  407.  Teresa Watts  This is why the EU is a good thing. In order to make trade cheaper and easier the European countries have decided to cooperate and synchronize various trading standards laws. By cooperating to develop shared trading laws we are able to run completely open borders. So businesses do not have to pay for goods to be stopped and searched or for quality control checks to local legal standards. It is just as cheap to trade with a company in the next town to one in Spain or Italy. On top of that all trade is zero tariff. This is hugely advantageous to British business because we do 50% of our trade in Europe. Synchronizing laws has been touted as "losing sovereignty". But that is just manipulative language. Whoever we strike a trade deal with in the world we will have to sign up to agreements that will restrict us. That is what agreements are.
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  408.  Teresa Watts  Canada stopped trade talks with the UK and said they will not do a deal if we crash out of the EU. The USA say they will not make a trade deal with us if we endanger the Good Friday Agreement. Australia & Japan may not trade with us if we crash out of the EU without a deal because that will damage a lot of Japanese businesses in the UK. Trading after a no-deal exit is going to be very hard. And we can already trade with most of those countries through our EU membership (Canada & Australia & the USA have new deals with the EU). So what do we gain?
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  409. We most definitely can't. No country's security should rely and rest on private corporations like Google, Microsoft, Huawei etc... This attack on Huawei is nothing but Trump's trade war escalating out of control and nations are now following after Trump's blundering incompetence.
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  410.  Kevin Feeney  https://ei.marketwatch.com/Multimedia/2018/06/22/Photos/NS/MW-GL368_DfAVWg_20180622064202_NS.jpg?uuid=e5c4ca68-7608-11e8-bab6-ac162d7bc1f7
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  411. @O L Exactly. The 2% fooled the 52% because they used money and PROPAGANDA. They hold the Tabloid Newspapers in their pockets. They OWN the tabloid newspapers. They fed you full of lies and false information about how the EU works - for years. There is a reason why EDUCATED people voted "remain" and UNEDUCATED people voted "leave". Think about that.
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  412. BLM are not "anti emergency services". In America they are simply calling for a REDUCTION in police funding by 5% and to spend that 5% on local education, jobs, housing and mental health etc... things that are proven to reduce crime. Here is their official video explaining it: https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-defunding-the-police-really-means/
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  413.  @MsSteveeverett  The alternative to low-tax, isn't high-tax, it's just properly costed tax. It's not hard. You work out how much to spend on health, roads, welfare, military, etc... etc... and you tax accordingly. Tories like to give tax-cuts to the rich and if/when that gamble doesn't pay off, they cut education/welfare/NHS/anything that makes hard-working, low paid people's lives bearable.
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  414. This is why deliberately harming our economy with Brexit should never have happened. At a time when Covid, the Ukraine war etc... put our economy to the test, we decided to cripple the economy with Brexit, when we needed it most.
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  415.  @sjamescharlton  Brexit was a Russian attack on Europe, especially the UK where it is doing the most damage. Russia paid for all the propaganda that gave British voters a completely false understanding of how the EU works. Look at the Tory press and realize that most Tory funding comes from Russian oligarchs.
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  416.  Albert Pike  "You are the liar and a Nazi." - What an intelligent response.
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  417. @Wünderwaffel "The EU making laws for us" - Member states ARE the EU. The EU used to be Britain cooperating with other major European nations. - We were making laws for OURSELVES. How is that not obvious?
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  418.  Harry Barry  "marx mass murderer" - When, where? Please provide a reference rather than just making stuff up.
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  419.  Harry Barry  I take that as a "no" then. You have no evidence whatsoever that Marx was a "mass murderer".
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  420. @Bilal Khalid If your rich. But not for the average worker.
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  421.  @johnathanpearson3203  That's a fake report. If it was genuine it would be available on the Michigan courts website. You wouldn't have to download it from some anonymous dodgy place on the internet.
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  422.  @paulmarchant9231  None of that changes the fact that Parliament is Sovereign and referendums are advisory . Circumventing the Sovereignty of Parliament is a direct attack on British sovereignty itself. Brexiteers said "sovereignty" was something they wanted more of. But that seems to have been just another Brexiteer lie . Brexiters threw the withdrawal deal out THREE TIMES . If they could have just spent 2 years negotiating the future relationship to end the withdrawal agreement they would have. Why didn't they? Because nothing will change. The conditions preventing us agreeing a withdrawal deal will also prevent us agreeing to any future deal. The "deal" we were promised, that we voted for, will never happen. If you want to leave the EU then fine - accept the backstop. That will take us out of the EU immediately. It will also take us out of the Customs Union just as soon as the British government finds a way to do that without causing a war in Ireland. A return to violence in Ireland is something Parliament and decent human beings agree is a bad thing. In fact people who voted Leave who support no-deal are in the severe minority.
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  423. Smells of corruption.
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  424.  @mcebabds  All of them contribute. Development grants distributed by the EU to invest in various parts of the Single Market improve the whole market for everyone. So the contributions (which EVERYONE makes) and the development grants are separate issues and zero-sum-gain logic does not apply. You can't just subtract the grants from the contributions to arrive at a total benefit. Market improvement improve EVERYONE'S economy.
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  425.  James Smith  "The vast majority of migrants don't pay taxes Lelly" - utterly false. https://www.oxfordeconomics.com/recent-releases/8747673d-3b26-439b-9693-0e250df6dbba
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  426.  @markasbury1084  "since Brexit iv'e never been busier and my wages are up around £7 an hour" - Please read my whole comment. I addressed that.
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  427.  @vhawk1951kl  "Who told you that and why do you believe them?" - Nobody "told" me that. I studied history. I did research. The Conservative Party was basically formed as a response to the act of Parliament that gave every land or property owner a vote, expanding the electorate enormously. The Conservative Party's very existence was for the protection of the interests of the very rich landowners from the increasing number of ordinary people gaining voting rights.
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  428.  @stevejwilliams61  If someone pays tax then they are paying for the NHS and they should not have to pay twice.
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  429.  @hobnobmarine  The term "mongoloid" when used to refer to anyone as a slur instead of its proper use as a term to talk about ethnicity is racist and offensive to the dignity of those with downs syndrome.
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  430.  @kellyglen7909  Whatever you want to believe. But this country needs a better education system badly.
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  431. Why are people surprised, when they leave the airports open, that a virus could travel from South Africa to the UK? Who wasn't expecting this (except, of course, the government)?
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  432. @M R "the EU might have blocked us getting vaccines" - Nonsense. The EU has no power to block member states from doing their own vaccination programs.
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  433. @M R Rubbish. If the EU had invoked article 16, it would not have prevented anyone getting a vaccine. Furthermore, it was NOT the UK that made the EU back down. It was the EU that forced the Commission to back down. One person in the Commission made a gross error of judgement and the EU member states immediately forced them to retract.
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  434. Channel 4, please show that MANY examples of police attacking peaceful protesters and innocent journalists even after they presented their press badges. There is even one video of police officers destroying their own car to blame it on the peaceful protesters. https://twitter.com/DanielNewman/status/1267349383282073601
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  435.  Silverclod 141  Actually it is Brexiteers that were voting against May's deal that would have delivered what the referendum asked for - leaving the EU but retaining access to the common market.
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  436. Were people expecting miracles in a few weeks?
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  437.  @DavidWilliams-p1n  Catastrophe is where the Tories left us. it's why they were kicked out. Our schools are literally falling down. The NHS is beyond desperate, public services are all broken. Borrowing to the max to pay for Covid, and the economy is in the toilet. The public knew this very well by the end of the Tories rule. No one should expect anything to get better quickly when the government has no room to borrow and no room to tax. Money doesn't magic itself out of nowhere.
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  438.  @danielcorum6081  Oh yes of course. Poor America. It is the richest country in the world because everyone else is ripping it off. Give me a break. The US makes its bread and butter by regime manipulation all over the world. Mexican cartels? Fulled by American Guns. If the US stopped selling military grade weapons to Mexican cartels then the US would not have so many problems with people and drug trafficking in the other direction. China is indeed a problem but the way NOT to fix the China problem is by starting a political war with it. Trade & Diplomacy is the only realistic way forward.
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  439. @MGazT "doesn't mean you get to keep voting on it untill you eventually get the result you wanted " - Of course we do. It is called "democracy". Every time we have a general election there is a possibility we could vote to rejoin.
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  440. Don't expect any sense of responsibility or moral decency from the current British government.
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  441.  @husiroyoh4548  Whoever told you that the UK was Communist was lying to you.
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  442. I think most people are of the opinion that Trump's Secret Police are unlawful and unconstitutional. But that's irrelevant. Channel 4 are accurately reporting what ordinary people on the ground feel.
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  443.  @physiocrat7143  "With all the stories of food banks, it is unlikely that there are no mouths left in the country to put the cheese into." - It is not about cheese producers specifically but explain to me why they were not selling their produce to the people using food banks before Brexit? Maybe the fact that people using food banks can't afford food might be part of it. Regardless, if they could have sold more of their food in the UK they already would have been doing that before Brexit.
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  444.  @MyVinnyp  "an idiot would still be waving his EU flag while many of its member states are breaking all the EU regulations and sourcing their own covid vaccines." - First it is NOT "The EU Flag" it is the Flag of Europe, and it predates the EU/EEC by several decades. Second there are NO "EU Regulations" preventing member states from sourcing their own vaccines. The EU vaccination program was ALWAYS a VOLUNTARY program. Brexit did not give the UK any advantage for vaccinations. If we were still a member we could still have done our vaccinations exactly the same way we are doing now.
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  445.  @sarahann530  I assumed that the "common knowledge" was true. I believed the propaganda that told me that the EU was run by "unelected bureaucrats". So I never engaged in EU voting when it mattered. It is only Brexit that has made me investigate the EU and how it REALLY works and it is nothing like what years of British Tabloids have made it out to be. The problem with the EU is not the EU. It is the fact that our power within the EU has been hidden from us by our own governments that don't want us, the voters, to know how much power the EU gives us, the people over them, the governments. Rather than leave the EU, we can use democracy to forced the EU to listen to us, the voters. They can't stop it. It is how democracy works. You threaten the jobs of the MEPs and they suddenly start listening to what you want.
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  446.  @Land-of-reason  "the EU had effectively used extortion to force the government to accept unrasonable terms" - What "extortion" did the EU use? Please explain why the EU was able to "extort" anything from the Tory Government?
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  447.  @Anymonkeyme  "We just believe in time the uk will prosper from freedom away from eu rules regulations and obligations" - We can't be free of those things. It is not the EU that is binding us, it is the trade itself that connects us. Regardless of what the UK does British companies will still have to follow EU rules when selling goods to EU countries. The question is not about taking back control but deciding on who we give control up to. Whenever there is a trade deal both sides give up some control. Fact. It is literally what "agreement" means - we agree to do certain things.
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  448. @FlyingMonkies325 This honestly sounds like "Tin Foil Hat" propaganda from right-wing groups who are spreading hatred and lies about the EU. The EU just cares about trade and stability for its citizens. It is far-right groups that are looking to divide and destroy the EU.
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  449.  @terenceclark6858  And what happened to the idea that the EU needs us more than we need them? That the EU will bend over backwards and give us everything we want? Has that changed? Are we all finally accepting that was a huge fat lie to encourage people to vote "leave"?
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  450. It is called "holding people to account" which is very important - especially for members of the government and the people who are running this country.
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  451.  @mrsgbee  The reporter asked perfectly reasonable questions. If a government minister has a role in affecting the people of this country we want the reporter to inform us about anything relevant to that role. It is our country they are running after all so they SHOULD be able to answer any relevant questions.
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  452. @A-O "the eu signed a free trade deal with Japan and Canada" Japan spent several years changing its trading standards laws to be complaint with the EU before the deal could be ratified. And, in case you did not notice, neither Japan, nor Canada share an open land border with an EU country.
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  453.  @jamesscurr571  Yes, the 30 days period is smart because it shows everyone that it is Boris who has failed to find a solution to violence in Ireland and no one else.
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  454.  @laurenbrown869  Very little of what you just said is true. It is obviously off of some ultra right wing fascist propaganda site. The EU is thoroughly democratic. It legislates to prevent big business ripping off consumers. It actually respects consumers as every good market should. Migration will work out just fine in the future as people from poorer European countries improve their lot through migration and pass money back to their countries of origin, That will stimulate development in those areas. Development means business opportunity. Look at poor countries as opportunities to generate future business. Especially the eastern European countries. Have you ever been there? Lush green fertile land completely underdeveloped. Acres of room for people to live in large cheap housing. We just have to start thinking Europe-wide rather than be insular and regressive. Many industrious working British people could be the rich people of Europe if we wanted to be. The world is smaller with the Internet. We can live and work where we want and freedom of movement just means the place we live just got a whole lot bigger - European wide.
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  455. Viruses are a natural phenomenon.
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  456.  @diegestive4167  Scientists believe it's natural. I'll take their word for it over anonymous idiots on the Internet.
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  457.  @noriwilliams4637  How is it untrue? Starmer has been praised for Ukraine diplomacy and Trump has attacked Zalensky on multiple occasions. There is no other way of saying what happened.
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  458.  @gambrydew2059  "Zelensky doesn't want peace." - You are only saying that because Trump is saying it. Of course he wants peace. What a ridiculous thing to believe Trump's BS.
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  459. This is why they should. And this ban should apply to all NICOTINE based products, including cigarettes and vapes. Moreover they should not be banning smoking on the basis of health. The reason they should ban both smoking and vaping is that NICOTINE is an extremely addictive substance and an addict has to go through weeks of mental torture if they want to give it up. It should not be legal to sell a substance that tortures people into spending their money. Simple as that.
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  460.  SMEGY 89  "Scotland can't afford to go it alone" - Scotland has Oil & Fish. England can't afford to go it alone.
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  461.    Errrm. Economically the country is going down the toilet and it has been since the referendum. "Brexit has cost the British economy £66bn in just under three years, or around £1,000 for every person in the country, a report has found." - "The latest Brexit impact assessment comes after Goldman Sachs estimated that the UK has foregone £600m of economic growth each week since the referendum.The Bank of England put the figure at £800m. " https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-cost-how-much-uk-economy-money-spent-a8854726.html
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  462.  @Billy2011C  The EU don't have a choice. There is nothing to renegotiate regarding the backstop. It is our commitments and agreements that put us in this situation. The leave campaign promised something that is impossible to deliver. It is not an option to deliver something different instead. No-deal was never campaigned for and if it had been remain would have won.
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  463.  Andrew H  The leave deal was not bad and the government was not "remain". They could have left with a deal and protected the peace in Ireland. Did it deliver everything the Brexiteers want? Not immediately but eventually it would have. Did it deliver everything the Brexiteers asked for? Yes. May's deal absolutely delivered what Brexiteers campaigned for. Leaving the EU - WITH access to the common market.
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  464.  The Blessings Of Jesus Channel  You are a False Prophet.
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  465.  @bushwhacked7112  LOL you racists will find any argument that makes it sound like you're not a racist.
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  466. @Tom Thumb Then he should be honest about it and tell them they are going to get wiped out of business because he thinks they are irrelevant and because he thinks selling the UK to the USA is going to be more profitable for him on a personal level.
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  467. It is hard, but they have to understand that if NATO directly engages Russia militarily, the war will immediately escalate to a world war between nuclear powers and nuclear war would be extremely hard to avoid, if not impossible.
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  468. "We can't cut off the economy...." - Errrm then why Brexit??
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  469. @Simon John "The EU are attempting to damage the GFA, not the UK." - That is so wrong. The backstop literally only exists to protect the Good Friday Agreement. It is a simply guarantee that Britain will not do anything to break the Good Friday Agreement. For example we will remain in the Customs Union until we figure out how to leave it WITHOUT causing a hard border in Ireland. The second we find a way to preserve the Good Friday Agreement - then the backstop disappears.
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  470.  @Ian-pm8ll  You conveniently ignore the fact that Britain is the EU. It is not some separate entity, we are very much included in it. It is a cooperation of nations and we have a strong voice in it. This is a big way people have been manipulated against our own best interests by referring to "the EU" as some big bad external evil when in actual fact it is the British Government in cooperation with our immediate neighbors. So don't pretend they tell us what to do when we are very much an active part of the EUs decision making process. We have a Sovereign choice to cooperate in the EU or not. But cooperating as part of the EU is not giving up sovereignty - it is using it effectively for the best in this country and the wider European area. We will be strongly affected by what European countries do regardless if we are in the EU or not. So why give up OUR power in that decision making process? We are giving up British power in Europe. THAT sounds more like an Abdication of Sovereignty to me.
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  471. In future planning, will it be more lucrative for us to be buying a lot of our basic food from Ukraine (who owes us billions) or from Rusia who despises us? And how close do we want Russia to get to the UK by taking over more and more European countries?
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  472.  Albert Pike  "You are not British..." - I was born in Yorkshire which, last I looked, is in England, Britain.
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  473.  Albert Pike  "ou are a Marxist ..." - Now your just making up lies about me. This is the final resort for those who have no good arguments.
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  474.  @stevejwilliams61  "That depends on how much you have paid in!" - They pay the same as everyone else.
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  475.  @stevejwilliams61  "Statistically incorrect." - Based on what? Some racist website you visit? The governments own investigation into the subject proves that immigrants pay at least their own share and often more besides. QUOTE: "We found evidence to suggest that the average 2016 migrant is a fiscal asset to the UK public finances. We estimated that each additional migrant from the EEA in 2016 will make a total discounted net fiscal contribution of approximately £78,000 over his or her lifetime, in 2017 prices. For non-EEA migrants, we estimated a positive net fiscal contribution of £28,000 per head over his or her lifetime." https://tinyurl.com/ycon3g3f
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  476. Boris is so obviously lying when he says the Benn act undermines his negotiations because he is not conducting any negotiations. His only play is to force a no-deal while pretending to be trying to get a deal.
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  477. What has being out of the EU got to do with anything? British government ministers have EVERY right to visit other world leaders wherever they are in the world. OBVIOUSLY. Reading these comments is embarrassing how little British people understand how anything works..
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  478.  Leroy Jenkins  Then he should be honest about that and he should stop lying.
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  479.  Leroy Jenkins  Then Boris should be honest about that and he should stop lying in order to trick the public.
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  480.  MR Now  You proved the poster's point precisely.
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  481. I would go for manslaughter and criminal negligence.
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  482.  Albert Pike  "80% of British people have always been against immigration" - Made up rubbish. QUOTE: "those who favoured reducing the number of immigrants coming to Britain in 2019 was 44%" https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/uk-public-opinion-toward-immigration-overall-attitudes-and-level-of-concern/
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  483.  @ratherlargehooter8200  This country has never been "homogeneous". Black people have been here at least since Roman times. During the building of the British Empire there was a constant influx of black people here from many countries all over the world. Sometimes voluntary, sometimes not. But it is not just black people, Britons are a MONGREL lot. We have been invaded by Roman, Franks, Germanics you name it. There is no "pure blood" on this island.
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  484.  @boscopappas234  This idea you have that young couples will sacrifice their lives and forgo raising a family and having a home is never going to happen. Furthermore, it is cruel to expect people to go without those things just because the system is broken. Of course, they SHOULD get benefits while the system is broken and if people don't want to pay for those benefits they need to stop voting for governments who have a long history of relentlessly taking from the bottom to feed the top.
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  485.  @jacleena  The UK made mutual agreements and of course when a country makes mutual agreements then those agreements "control" each party that makes the agreement. If we leave the EU we will make similar "mutual agreements" with other countries and those "mutual agreements" will control how we behave. Obviously cooperation means AGREEING to stick to a mutually agreed plan. There is nothing wrong with that. In fact it is a *good thing*" . But when we leave and are desperate to fulfill 50% of our trade needs the agreements we make will not be in our favor. The US will tell us exactly where to jump and how high. THEN we will lose a piece of actual sovereignty when we make a replacement "deal" with the US.
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  486. Good job, Joe Biden! I assume the UK is desperate to get in America's good books. Tories usually argue against taxing rich companies, claiming it's better for the economy if we let them make more money.
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  487. This sounds great. Credit where credit is due. But I do wonder if Boris isn't just covering for the fact that no-deal Brexit is going to make food more expensive and food supply lines more constrained. Getting people to eat less may take some of the strain off our ports.
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  488.  @Nickle314  No, the debt pile was created by USA banks acting irresponsibly and Gordon Brown failing to recognize how invested British banks were in bad US debt. But it is immaterial to the fact that poor people should never have been made to foot the bill and forcing them to do so made David Cameron very unpopular. Hence when he said we should stay in the EU the general public decided they wanted to leave the EU. So much so they swallowed all the ridiculous lies and misrepresentations that the Leave Campaign presented them with.
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  489. @mhffc "So if Brexit was a protest against austerity are you saying that Reamianers are pro austerity." - No, I am not saying that at all. 50% of the population could not be considered "the privileged minority". The "privileged minority" are the very ones who Brexit might benefit (tax avoidance, deregulation of big business, investments in the US...). The fact is that the chief Brexiteer politicians are the most austerity-centric. The specific Austerity measures taken by the government are based in ultra right-wing philosophy (cut public spending, dismantle public institutions). Leave Voters literally voted against the very thing they were protesting against. Remainers, on the other hand, are (according to statistics) younger people and/or better educated people. Obviously people who travel and who have friends/family in other European countries. People with a broader worldly outlook in general. People not taken in by populist rhetoric and nationalistic flag-waving.
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  490.  @Nickle314  "Bullshit" - Why don't you read up on what caused the financial crisis that lead to Austerity in the UK? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%932008 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkxl8na9gE8
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  491. @mhffc You can't take specific examples and expect them to be representative of the whole group. Statistics don't work like that. Statistically the higher the level of education the more likely you were to vote remain. It doesn't matter who you personally know who has a degree. That doesn't change the figures overall. Also plenty of young people voted https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/09/young-people-referendum-turnout-brexit-twice-as-high Also this idea you have that remainers are pro-austerity is nonsense . And this idea you have that the EU is some kind of "undemocratic superstate" proves that you have been manipulated by populist rhetoric. It is an OBJECTIVE FACT that the EU is not a "superstate" and it is not "undemocratic" in any respect.
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  492. @mhffc Don't be manipulated by mere words. The EU is a council of states or a cooperation of governments . It doesn't have a "President" itself. But there are institutions within the EU that do each have "presidents" like the Council, Commission and Parliament. Obviously when you get more than one person in a room someone needs to direct the conversation - they "preside" over the proceedings. Every part of the EU is democratic. The European Council consists of the 28 democratically elected heads of the member states. The European Parliament consists of MEPs democratically elected by you and me (the people). The European Commission is democratically elected by the European Parliament from among candidates proposed by the European Council. So it is a very strong example of representative democracy and is more democratic than the British system. As to a European Army - so what? How is that different from NATO or the UN peace keeping force? Britain has opted out of joint military cooperation and would boycott any moves towards an army. That stuff is scare-mongering "project fear" used to manipulate people.
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  493. @mhffc "The EU is planning to be another US, with countries becoming no more than states." - Not going to happen. And so what if it did? Britain could opt out then. No point in opting out just because of imaginary things that probably will never happen. Being a member means we could guarantee it didn't happen. The EU mainly needs to compete economically with the US/Russia/China. But also Donald Trump says the USA wants its "partners" to pay more for the military "help" they provides. That means either sending cash or troops to fight in US created wars. That is one reason the EU wants to be less dependent on the US for defense. That makes sense. But nothing can make Britain join in if we don't want to.
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  494. We need to import from SOMEWHERE. Why not the EU? Are you saying British people should just buy less stuff?
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  495. "Stone Mountain State Park officials said the Black militia group was peaceful, orderly and escorted by police as they called for the removal of the country's largest Confederate monument near Atlanta." (They are NOTHING to do with BLM) - https://www.newsweek.com/armed-black-demonstrators-challenge-white-supremacist-militia-georgias-stone-mountain-park-1515494
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  496.  @Irrelevantusername000  "The idea that Britain relies on being a member of a EU is asinine" - Do you know what is really asinine? Thinking that putting up trade barriers between the UK and our largest and most lucrative markets would have NO EFFECT on the British economy. THAT is utterly, utterly asinine. This is why they conned you into ignoring all the experts.
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  497. @Charles White "Our politicians and civil servants have actually forgotten how to govern our own country" - You have no idea how the EU works at all. Not the slightest clue. The EU does not run our government for us. That's absurd. The EU is a place for our government to cooperate with other governments over mutual laws to the benefit of all. Nothing more. The EU are 27 sovereign nations. The comparison to colonialism is pure ignorance.
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  498. @Charles White "Freedom and self-determination has no price." - We always had freedom and self-determination. Brexit gave us NOTHING that we did not have before. In fact we have LESS freedom because of Brexit and LESS self-determination. Thanks to Brexit British businesses must follow EU law and the British government has no say in what those laws are. We have become a nation of rule-takers rather than rule-makers.
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  499. @Charles White "Please tell me how having one's laws set by majority decision in a "parliament" dominated by foreigners constitutes "self-determination". " - Parliament only gets to set those laws AFTER the EU Council (the 27 heads of state) agreed to them first. But moreover, the fact that, in the EU, we are making laws/agreements IN COOPERATION with other nations does not take away from our self-determination any more than ANY trade deal we make ANYWHERE in the world. ALL international agreements involve COMPROMISE. Our agreements/trade deal with Australia? Involves compromise. We AGREED to do stuff we would not have chosen to do because we determine that the trade it facilitates is worth it. Same in the EU. We DETERMINE that what very few compromises we need to make are WORTH IT for the overall trade benefits we receive. This is how self-determination works. We were no more tied down by the EU than we are tied down by ANY and EVERY trade deal we ever make. Or any other international agreement for that matter.
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  500.  @georgedebenham1042  "we’ve won..." - That just about sums up the level of childishness among leave voters. It is a game to them. But just because you "won" doesn't mean everybody else has to suddenly start agreeing with you. What you "won" is a pile of shite. Everyone who understands that is going to keep on saying it. You have been conned and you are following buffoons that do not have your best interests in mind. So it doesn't matter that you "won". What you "won" is going to be criticized from now into oblivion and it is only a matter of time before you realize that what you "won" is actually "Last Prize". Oh what? Did they tell you that you were voting for "First Prize?". They lied.
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  501.  @georgedebenham1042  "I use this terminology as it brings out the saltiest if remoaners as you can see you have risen to the bait" - Like I said, childish.
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  502. We should be erecting statues to the abolitionists.
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  503.  @Nswix  "You just described the EU and why we voted leave." - Exactly. Neither makes any sense. Take Brexit to its logical conclusion and England would break apart into Wessex, Sussex, Essex, The Midlands etc.... Brexit is about moving backwards because people don't have the vision to move forward. Brexiteers are introspective and unable or unwilling to cooperate with other nations at a time when the world is becoming a smaller place through technology and cooperation is essential to survival.
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  504. Most people learn that attacking the police is a crime WAY before they reach 69 years of age. He has no excuse.
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  505.  @francescaallen837  "Where did he say this?" - Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwqQvrqunp8
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  506. Brexit is the root of all problems here. They are protesting the wrong government. It was Westminster than gave them Brexit.
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  507.  @snowyowel7961  Paying the EU 13 billion was cheap given that all our business had zero tarrif trading within the common market. Adding tarrifs will more than wipe out any savings we make on the 13 billion. The question is how many billions worse off are we going to be outside the EU. Even in the best case scenario the government predicts we will be 10% worse off in 10 years. So that 13 billion was just a trick to con people.
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  508.  @Jack-fs2im  Cheap labor? If you stopped immigration (which won't happen with or without Brexit) but if you stopped immigration then the lack of low level workers will put businesses into crisis so they will have to make redundencies. Those people made redundent will end up working those low paying jobs that only immigrants do at the moment. By getting rid of immigration (which won't happen with or without Brexit) you are actually forcing British people out of good paying jobs and into poor paying jobs. For that reason no government will stop imigration regardless of what they told you during the "leave" campaign. After Brexit we will simply get more immigrants from places like India and Pakistan rather than Europe. The REAL reason for Brexit is so that toffs who make too much money from working people can make even more money out of us by getting rid of the social charter from the EU. They want to send us back to the days when they could pay us as little as they can get away with. They want to stop having to pay us so much sick leave. The want to get rid of all those "rules" that force rich business owners to look after their work force. That is who the ERG really represent.
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  509.  @Jack-fs2im  None of that is because of the EU. All of that is because rich people are greedy. We are not poor because of the EU. We are poor because the rich will ALWAYS take as much money out of our pockets that the law will allow. EU or no EU. As it happens the EU have much better laws to protect low income people than Britain ever did without it. Brexit is good for rich toffs and a terrible idea for poor workers.
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  510.  @Andronichuk  But, according to the Russian expert being interviewed, Russia and NATO are currently in discussions about medium and intermediate range missiles in Europe. Which is where I took my cue from. Although I have also been to Russian news outlets to get that perspective and that seems to be a core issue - the fact that a missile in Ukraine would only take 5 mins to reach Moscow, not enough time for Moscow to respond.
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  511.  @studmalexy  The only reason multiculturalism fails is because of racist bigots. The sooner America rids itself of racist white bigots the better. Decent people live very comfortably with people of all races and colors. Only racists have a problem.
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  512.  @qualitycheckandratings2783  "What was the name of Hitler's party?" - If you are asking this you are showing your ignorance. The Nazi party originally began as an anti-Communist movement. When they formed as a political party they deliberately chose the term "National Socialists" because they wanted to encourage working men away from Communism into their right-wing ideology. Throughout their history they were staunch enemies and persecutors of Marxism and Marxists. Maybe read a history book before falling for right-wing McCarthyistic propaganda.
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  513.  @qualitycheckandratings2783  "socialist has alliance with Islaamic Powers" - What does that even mean? Socialism is a philosophy, it has no alliances.
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  514. We don't have a deal we have a Withdrawal Agreement that lasts 12 months before an unextendable No-Deal Exit happens. An ongoing FTA will take 3 years to negotiate according to the EU. That means NO-DEAL Exit is inevitable with Boris Johnson's Withdrawal Agreement.
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  515.  richard smith  That doesn't make sense. After we leave we will have nothing to bargain with. We will be desperate and forced to accept any crappy terms we are offered. Not just by the EU but by any country.
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  516. @Bluepurgatory1 Mostly the Commonwealth wanted Britain to remain in the EU. And the trade we do with them is small compared to EU trade.
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  517.  Lasse Riise  The EU does serve ordinary workers. It basically serves and protects "The Market" at every stage from the people who produce the goods (workers rights laws) to the people who consume the goods (quality standards laws). It is the member governments that tend to do bad by their workers. One of the reasons we have Brexit is because our Tory government wants to be able to screw the workers over even more than they already do.
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  518.  @jonwhite8152  Removing workers protections and quality regulations is a terrible terrible way to foster small business. That is really just an excuse. If a business grows BIG because of the Free Trade it enjoys then that business owes it to the Free Trade community to foster new growth. The correct way to encourage small business is not to sacrifice the workers it is to make big business pay more to subsidize small business creation and growth. This is why large trading markets like the EU are a great idea. They can force big business to pay their taxes. This is another reason we have Brexit - rich Britons wanting to be able to dodge paying their fair whack of tax. The EU is putting an end to tax dodging by big business. That only really works in a large trading zone like the EU where it can be uniformly implemented to create a level playing field.
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  519.  @jonwhite8152  As an additional note, remember that when a business gets large it also gets anti-competitive. It actively stifles the Free Market itself. So if you really believe in the Free Market then you have to find ways to address the anti-free-market practices of Big Business. So it is no shakes that they should be more heavily taxed and regulated to keep the Free Market free and good for ALL business great and small. Don't make workers and consumers pay for Big Business' bad practices.
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  520.  @6thi874  The Clown Act is not there to deceive Trump. The Clown Act is there to deceive the British voters while he sells our country off to Donald Trump and American Big Business interests. No doubt for some serious back handers.
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  521.  @sparky7558  I doubt it. Jeremy Corbyn has always been a Brexiteer. He wants Britain out of the EU. He always has. That's part of the reason he makes such a bad opposition leader IMO.
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  522.  @jasondevon481  We already have a free country. Whenever we make an AGREEMENT with another country we don't lose any freedom because we freely chose to keep our agreements. Even after we leave the EU we will have MANY MANY AGREEMENTS with other countries. According to your false logic we will never be a free country until we tear up every international agreement with every country in the world. Makes no sense of course.
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  523.  @jasondevon481  Trade will continue at 10% more expensive in both directions. If you can't see how damaging that will be then I suppose that explains why you think Brexit will be a good thing.
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  524.  @Bungle-UK  "There are plenty of systems that meet in the middle and work perfectly well." - There are plenty that are very similar the NHS that work perfectly well. Reason: Not run by the Tories.
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  525.  @BMIwaytoohigh  Well Trump used to be president, why didn't he fix it?
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  526. Just wear a tin foil hat and the lies will not be able to get you.
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  527.  @madameclark3453  Britain no longer has the power to do that. The Good Friday Agreement takes that power away from Britain and puts in squarely in the hands of the Northern Irish. It is up to them and them alone.
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  528.  @rogerusa9696  Nigel Farage campaigned on the basis of a deal with the EU after Brexit. https://twitter.com/OFOCBrexit/status/1125912034414137347
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  529.  @Alan_Mac  The way you say it you make it sound exactly like Brexit - a shower of small-minded pricks who hate foreigners.
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  530.  @simonrodgers2375  It doesn't matter what Corbin did or didn't do. Parliament voted to progress the Withdrawal Bill through the house and Boris Johnson put a stop to it and withdrew his own bill from consideration. He is the one causing a delay on Brexit now.
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  531.  @simonrodgers2375  "I can't wait" - Then you must be very rich and/or have shares in American Big Business.
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  532.  @jasondevon481  "the rich can avoid tax in lots of ways" - There is an international Banking protocol that many countries have already signed up to that combats tax avoidance and money laundering. The EU signed up to it in 2016 and the UK has to fully implement it by January 2020. It was one of the main reasons for Brexit. But not the reason for Brexit. The other reason for Brexit is to sell Britain out to Big American Business. In particular selling of the NHS which the Tories have been privatizing piece by piece for years.
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  533.  @simonrodgers2375  Why do you say the EU is a dictatorship when, quite patently, it is an international cooperation of governments with the UK being among the top 3 in influence? Like many things Brexiteers say it is patently untrue. It is emotional manipulation. Nothing more.
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  534.  @simonrodgers2375  "I think we've got a bright future ahead of us outside the EU" - It doesn't matter if the UK as a whole does well or not. Working people will see NONE of any benefits. When we leave the EU we leave behind all the promises OUR governments have made to protect workers rights and to protect food standards and to protect the environment. So even if the country gets richer, working people will get LESS than we get now. Brexit was a Tory plan to continue Austerity forever by moving Britain to an American style system with poor workers rights and massive deregulation and tax cuts for Big Business. Oh and privatizing the NHS.
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  535.  @simonrodgers2375  "I'm also looking forward to more work being available to me." - Britain has very low unemployment right now. By reducing immigration you make it hard for business to operate because their staff are disappearing. Crops rotted in the fields this summer because seasonal workers did not come to Britain to bring in the harvests. That means businesses will lay people off from well paying jobs until the number of unemployed rises enough to start filling the low paid crappy jobs the immigrants used to do. Buy reducing immigration you are forcing British workers from well paying jobs out of work and then back into the low paying crappy jobs that European immigrants used to do.
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  536. Don't expect Big Oil to just lay down and die. There is far more money working to keep raiding the planet regardless of the damage caused than there ever will be targeted at saving it.
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  537.  @ULSTERISBRITISH  If we don't want this country to go through this again without a properly functioning health service then we MUST call to account the Tories who spent the last 10 years CRIPPLING the NHS. Now many many deaths are on their hands. We muse NEVER forget how much Tories hate the NHS because they see it as "socialism" (which it obviously is).
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  538.  @jacobmcguire3336  " Why on earth would you think it's OK for the government to just take a chunk of that in tax?" - Because every penny you earn and the ability to have a nice house and to live a clean and safe life are all available to you because you live in a structured society with police, roads, hospitals, schools etc... If you don't want to pay tax, then you want to live in an anarchy with no police, no schools, no hospitals and see how your life would be living like that.
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  539.  @sonofsomerset1695  You want a bunch of better liars to take their place.
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  540.  @longlivetheboleyn1917  "No matter how bad the consocialists were, labour will always be worse" - That's just your prejudice talking.
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  541.  @Parzival711-x7i  No, locked up for endangering people's lives.
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  542.  @Parzival711-x7i  "the “Weapons of mass destruction” lie." - That literally only involved two secret government departments. THIS involves EVERY SINGLE DOCTOR AND NURSE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD. Now use your brain.
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  543.  @Parzival711-x7i  You really are a gullible mug that gets taken in by every loony conspiracy theory, aren't you?
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  544.  @chicotthejester9341  "I can link some videos if you want but you probably wouldn’t watch them" - Videos can be very misleading. Stop being conned by every sad lemming on the Internet who has a video editing app.
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  545. @CBA CBA "why not reduce taxes universally?" - Because we need healthy infrastructure (roads and trains etc..), a decent Health System that keeps people at work and productive and investment to produce more areas of growth in the UK. There is no magic money tree. We need to pay tax to have a decent country.
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  546. @Amanda Hughes "They are not." - Do you know anything about the history of the UK in the middle east?
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  547. @Amanda Hughes "Pathetic excuse anyway." - So we can blow their country to smithereens and not take any responsibility for the consequences? Or we can depose their appointed leaders and install an oppressive regime and not take any responsibility for the consequences?
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  548. @Amanda Hughes "Since when has Eritrea been in the Middle East?" - Many asylum seekers come from Afghanistan & Iran - both of which the UK has been directly responsible for the kind of countries they are today.
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  549.  @bushwhacked7112  When you say "globalism" what do you actually mean?
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  550.  @oafpolitics179  This government has plans to make the government above the law courts in its manifesto. It has plans to remove the independence of the judiciary in its manifesto. It has plans to gerrymander the constituency voting boundaries to make them even more biased towards Tories. It is currently rewriting a law to protect an UNELECTED BUREAUCRAT. As for Communism, do you know how communism comes about? Not by voting. By REVOLUTION. The most likely route to Communism is through too much Conservatism leeching too much from ordinary working people to stuff in the pockets of the greedy rich. When that goes too far that is when Communists take advantage and cause revolution. The quickest way to Communism in the UK is through out-of-control ultra-right-wing Conservatism. The best defense against Communism is a "social safety net" (welfare state - what Tories hate). With a "social safety net" the masses never fall prey to Communist false ideals and never foment revolution. Tories are driving this country to breaking point. Wait until the population discover that Brexit is going to lead to another 30 years of Austerity on top of the 10 years leading up to it.
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  551.  @RupeWilson  People voted for what the leave campaign told them they were voting for. Like this. "Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market" - Daniel Hannan (Leave campaign) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzykce4oxII
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  552.  @snowyowel7961  "The EU laws take priority over our national laws" - We are part of the EU and we help to propose, debate, modify and create those EU laws. The EU is not some external entity it is something that Britain is a strong part of. Having a voice in Europe to fashion Europe-wide laws is a good thing and something we should not give up. Most of those laws will still impact us whether we have a voice in their creation or not. Silly to give up our power within the European community.
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  553.  @snowyowel7961  "We have had a referendum..." - So? Parliament is sovereign. The result promised by the referendum has been proven to be unimplementable. What happens next is a matter of debate. Many people are changing their minds now that they know that "Project Fear" turned out to be "Project reality".
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  554.  @pauldrysdale7615  "WE WILL ALL VOTE FOR THE BREXIT PARTY" - The Brexit Party is campaigning on "no-deal". Nobody wants that. It will soon be UKIP 2.0.
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  555.  @oafpolitics179  There is no EU Army and there are no plans for an EU Army. Just Macron shooting his mouth off about something nobody else wants.
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  556.  @oafpolitics179  If Brexit happens then the UK and Ireland will BOTH add infrastructure. That is a given because it is a non negotiable fact of life that countries need border checks.
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  557.  @oafpolitics179  I think Junker sounds like a sensible and responsible chap.
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  558.  @joewood5647  "there is a lot to change to become a sovereign independent country" - We have ALWAYS been a Sovereign Independent Country. Nothing needed to change. You were conned by a manipulative misuse of the term "sovereignty". It is NOT the EU that kept us dependent on Europe. It is TRADE that makes us dependent on Europe. The EU was the BEST way to manage that dependence. Now we left the EU and we are STILL dependent on Europe.
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  559.  @joewood5647  "We have a new treaty with the EU" - We will ALWAYS have treaties with other countries. Therefore, we will ALWAYS have to follow some rules mutually agreed with other countries. It doesn't matter if that is with the EU or with the US or with Australia or with anyone else. Making treaties DOES NOT TAKE AWAY OUR Sovereignty. You have been lied to.
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  560. Freedom of expression exists. Sexual assault is still a crime if that's what you choose to do with your freedom.
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  561.  @hamishsomerville4064  "NHS is not for sale BORIS has made that clear." - He is also a proven liar over and over again.
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  562. Well done C4 for exposing Farage's lies and misinformation. It is a shame his followers no longer care bout things like truth and integrity as long as they think he is "sticking it to the man". Ironic when Farage is as much "the man" as anyone else.
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  563. What do you suggest?
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  564. Boris Johnson is planning to force an undemocratic decision on the UK. No one voted for no-deal. We voted for "a very good deal". It is perfectly constitutional to vote no-confidence in a rogue Prime Minister who has gone looney and is driving the country into economic and social oblivion.
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  565.  @genericusername3212  Whatever you claim to have voted for, 99.999% of the voters had not even heard of WTO until after the referendum. They were told over and over again that voting to leave would not change our access to the Single Market because we would be leaving with a very good deal. THAT is what people voted for. If you wanted to vote for no-deal then that would have been a different referendum and a different leave campaign. We both know if the leave campaign had told people we were voting to leave without a deal they would never have won. Not even close.
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  566.  @angiegriffiths8873  Leaving without a deal is not what anyone voted for. It is not what the leave campaign told us we were voting for. It is not what was written on the ballot paper. The ballot paper simply said leave the EU. It said nothing about leaving the Customs Union which is a separate treaty. Telling us we would leave with access to the Customs Union area just to get us to vote in their favor and then leave under completely different terms is grossly undemocratic.
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  567.  @angiegriffiths8873  "They are putting every obstacle in the way of getting a deal " - We already have a deal. We could have left already if the Brexiteer MPs had not voted against leaving the EU with a deal (like they said we would).
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  568.  @angiegriffiths8873  The ballot paper said in or out of the EU. It said nothing about the Single Market which is an entirely separate treaty. We were always told we would have a deal to continue accessing the Single Market. https://twitter.com/ofocbrexit/status/1125912034414137347
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  569.  @batmanforpresident9655  The reason there is so much racism in the US is because of people with your level of ignorance. You don't have to deal with the police bullying you all the time. You probably never see the police unless you call them out.
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  570.  @donnapevey4672  Such utter ignorance. This is what they mean by "privilege". You have probably never been harrassed and bullied by police who hate you because you are black. Week in week out, your entire life. The entire lives of your parents and their parentd before them. When large men with guns bully you and the people you care about constantly then eventually something will break.
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  571.  @Alfie-ni7lx  "people like you trying to apologize for what they are saying" - I am not apologizing for what they are saying. I literally said it was a BAD slogan that does NOT convey what they mean. They should change it.
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  572. @Joseph Stalin You sound like a communist after your namesake.
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  573.  @daftwod  "Being anti emergency services should be a deportable offence." - No one is being "anti emergency services". In AMERICA they are talking about removing 5% of funding from the police to spend on education, mental health, housing, jobs etc... Just 5%.
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  574.  @Irishtradchannel  "Pity that so many in BLM say the opposite to you" - No they don't. Here is the OFFICIAL BLM website. In the video the lady explains they want to take about 5% (FIVE PERCENT) away from the police in order to invest in education, mental health, housing, jobs etc... THAT is their intention which is why their slogan is badly chosen. Here is their OFFICIAL video: https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-defunding-the-police-really-means/
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  575.  @daftwod  The money should be taken away from where it is not needed. In the US that is the police force because they are OVER funded and communities are UNDER funded. In the UK the situation is different. We need to increase funding to BOTH the police AND the communities.
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  576.  @fliteshare  "Bendy bananas will be allowed to enter the UK" - They always were. That was yet another lie about the EU. Boris Johnson made a career through lying about the EU as a journalist. The bendy banana lie was one of his. For years the Tory gutter press have ragged on the EU blaming it for things Tory governments have been responsible for.
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  577.  Teresa Watts  You think free trade (zero tariff) and open border access (cost free import/export) to the largest trading block in the world is "for no return"? Are you serious? Countries are lining up to be allowed to trade in the EU. The membership fee is a fraction of a percent of GDP. Under WTO British trade will be levied at about 10% (on average). If you resent paying the EU the membership then why don't you resent what we will have to pay because of WTO even more? It will be hundreds of times greater. We will pay far more British money to EU countries through WTO tariffs than the membership fee.
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  578. It was only a matter of time before circumstances conspired to put all the nuttiest men in all the wrong places.
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  579.  @artfuldodger9312  "England is the greatest country on earth." - Was. Brexit ruined it.
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  580.  @Dan-zs2xu  It is the Brexiteers that voted against coming out of the EU in Parliament.
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  581. @steve Sullivan There is sweat irony in anyone with shares who voted for Brexit. Rearranging the the entire basis of the UK economy was always going to be damaging in the near to mid term. That should have been obvious.
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  582.  Kevin Feeney  Leaked government paper https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1156989930477953025
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  583.  @blackphilip8936  How are people going to lose their jobs by remaining? You people are loony-toons all over. Brexit is destroying jobs. It is leavers that are trashing the economy putting people out of work and losing people their homes. Wake up. Don't be whackadoodle. How can we be putting people out of work by continuing our trade deals in the EU? Nothing you people say makes any sense.
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  584. And then the government tricked us into getting rid of our Human Rights... and the rest is history.... repeated.
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  585. Corbyn is pro Brexit. He always has been.
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  586.  @jzilla1234  It doesn't have to be a gay male boss. If there is nothing sexual in kissing someone on the lips, then I see no reason why every male boss wouldn't want to kiss their male employees on the lips every time they do great work.
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  587.  @xrmoff  No human being should be touching another human being WITHOUT PERMISSION. But especially not in INTIMATE ways. The lips are especially intimate. No one should be kissing another person's lips WITHOUT PERMISSION.
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  588.  @ENGLISHMURPHY  Even if that were true by the time of Brexit it was too late to make up for 40 years of lies and misinformation. Most of the papers that ordinary working people read are owned by multi-millionaire anti-Europeans who promote Tory propaganda. For decades they fostered a general anti-EU feeling while "Mainstream Media" wasn't paying attention because Mainstream News never bothered reporting the day to day of the EU. Boris Johnson began his career writing about the EU and making up lies about it because he was bored and his lies sold more papers than the boring truth.
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  589.  @Land-of-reason  Nobody wants to believe they have been manipulated.
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  590.  Albert Pike  "You are poorly educated and don't deserve any decent response." - Then it's a good thing you're not capable of providing one.
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  591. @Amanda Hughes People who campaign on racial fears, immigration fears, separatism, supremacism and appeal to flag-waving before logic and reason and who use lies and propaganda are the real fascists. So that's the Leave Campaign, UKIP and the Brexit Party in a nutshell.
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  592. @Wünderwaffel "The Seat of power of what?" - The seat of power over all the trade and commerce that happens in the largest free-trading area in the world (and beyond). No biggie.
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  593.  john hansberry  And why will France agree to a bilateral agreement when Brexit gives it the perfect opportunity to off load immigrants on to the UK with zero comeback to itself? The same is also true of other EU nations. Now the UK is out of the EU, immigrants no longer have to register at the first safe country they arrive at. Now they know they can keep going to the UK with no chance of being returned to the EU.
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  594.  @paulap2377  I agree about Thatcher to a degree. I like that she was basically honest, had integrity, was intelligent and actually had a vision and knew where she was going and was passionate about it. Privatization is definitely really starting to hurt us now, I agree it was a wrong move. The railways failed to deliver. Water companies never invested like they were supposed to. Electric and gas companies are nothing but a mess of different bureaucracies fighting over the right to read our meters and fix our pipes. And our North Sea oil and gas is being extracted by private corporations and sold back to us at criminal prices. I wish we could just find a middle ground with a little nationalization where it makes sense (natural monopolies) and otherwise have a liberal Free Market economy. But we seem doomed to swing from left to right with each successive government undoing the work of the previous one and not moving very far forward.
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  595. There is no counter narrative to glorifying slave traders.
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  596.  Cymro 65  "the remaining Union will also include Northern Ireland and Wales" - Northern Ireland may well be out before Scotland. I don't think anyone expects Northern Ireland to survive the internal border with the mainland.
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  597.  @fredcollins9953  Not likely. Only about 30% if British people favor Scottish independence (probably mostly Brexit voters).
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  598.  @Cornish_Co  "As an American, I couldn't care less about what Canadians think." - You made his point precisely. Trump is a reflection of the American people. A sad state of affairs indeed.
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  599. There is nothing else she can do to her deal. No one else can produce a deal that fixes the Irish Border problem. There is no fix for the Irish border problem. Brexit is unworkable at this point. Exit Brexit please.
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  600. Proroguing government is completely undemocratic. No one voted for a no-deal exit, we were promised a deal.
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  601. @mjtigerfang "So not worth it" - Not for you maybe. But the vast majority of young people are going to reverse Brexit because it is their future it is hurting.
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  602.  @paulchristopher746  "Remove the 60 billion coming from France and Germany, there is no EU. The 30 billion from Italy and Spain just about covers the remaining 23 countries." - That's not how it works. If the EU has less money then it uses less money. Simple. The EU can be as large or as small as it needs. The EU is not FORCED to give Single Market development grants out. It does so because it makes the whole market richer for EVERYONE.
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  603.  @paulchristopher746  "Are you the spokesman for the vast majority of young people?" - Nope, I just understand statistics.
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  604.  @paulchristopher746  "that's money from nothing, right?" - Nope. It's called "investment". For example, building infrastructure, makes trade cheaper. Etc...
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  605. I don't believe even you believe what you're saying. Is spouting nonsense a hobby of yours or are you just copying Trump?
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  606.  @alanoh3069  Nonsense. That was just an excuse used to fool people. It is a trick that you fell for. Immigrants are no more likely to get sick than native born English. That means they MORE than contribute enough funds to cover their medical fees IF they have them. Just as much as native born Brits.
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  607.  @vhawk1951kl  Matters of recorded fact are not subject to bias.
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  608. Bluesky needs to add a trending feature because that is where all the new events happening around the world are discovered. Without it, Bluesky isn't very useful for finding non-MSM news.
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  609.  P Gray  Britain never lost its sovereignty.
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  610.  Leroy Jenkins  No, "austerity" is the official term the Conservative government used before they imposed it. The United Nations have a report saying the austerity measures infringe human rights and it describes them as "cruel".
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  611.  @swashknuckler  "The worst predictions see prices rise by 10%" - Those are not the "worst" predictions. Those are expected. The worst predictions are far worse. But even if we just get 10% rise in prices, do you really think that won't be enough to make a lot of companies go bust? Many companies do not have that margin to play with. And 10% is optimistic in some areas. WTO will add tariffs in both directions - buying and selling. So raw materials go up 10% and we have to sell our end products 10% more expensive to cover tariffs amounting to a whopping 20% in some cases. And tariffs are only the half of it. Customs barriers and national quality standards checks need to be added because we don't pay those in the EU. And then you have the insurmountable fact that the quantity of goods being imported/exported to/from the EU has to drop because hard-borders are much slower than no border at all. So businesses will have to make permanent readjustments to where they get supplies from taking precious time that many businesses don't have. And businesses that rely on "just in time delivery" like fresh food chains will become non viable overnight. No one voted for this.
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  612. While the EU is working hard to make tax evasion difficult, Boris is hoping to make Britain exactly the kind of country where the world's rich can evade paying tax in their home countries. He wants to make us a pirate nation where the world (including the EU) is trying to be better policemen for the benefit of everybody.
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  613. Trump's peace: Annex Gaza, annex Panama, annex Canada, annex Greenland, invade Mexico.... Pax Trumpana
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  614.  @Ash-os1dz  Labour is a total and utter, unworkable mess. Tories are going to be ripping off ordinary, hard-working people for generations at this rate. It probably will all end in revolution because that's what generally happens when the boundless rich have free reign to rip off the masses for too long. I always say the fastest way to Communism is through unrestrained Capitalism - eventually the people will revolt.
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  615. All in order to stop no-deal. It was the Brexit politicians who voted to stop Brexit which May's deal would have delivered.
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  616. I don't understand why there isn't a SWAT team raiding that house and arresting the rich owners while rescuing the women. Is slavery legal for the rich?
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  617. This argument is getting old. Democracy works through elected Parliament. If the elected Parliament discovers that promises made (based on a referendum or otherwise) are impossible to implement (for whatever reasons) then Parliament has sovereign responsibility in deciding what to do instead. This is democracy working. Blindly throwing the country off of an untenable cliff that will tear the UK apart would be undemocratic. We did NOT elect Parliament to do that. That wasn't even on the referendum.
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  618. No. Man said he was poor and not making any money. Man lies to pretend he is something that he is not. He doesn't stand for the people. He is conning the people and standing for the rich and elite. He is worse than the buffoons currently running the country - yet everyone swallows his rhetoric because he is telling them stuff they want to hear. They don't seem to care that it is not true.
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  619.  @JW-YT  "the political deficit is one of the reasons I voted for independence" - We don't have independence. We never will as long as we trade with other countries. What do you think a trade deal with the US is going to look like? You think that we will have more say with the US than we have in the EU? You have to be joking. We will have ZERO say it will be all one sided. In the EU we were the top three in terms of economic power. With the US we will be nothing lapdogs. Oh and when we are servants to the US we will STILL have to follow European Standards because 50% of our export trade is with the EU. Only now we have zero power over how our own continent is run.
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  620. @MGazT "sovereign equals !?" - The right to self determination. For example the UK legally left the EU against the wishes of the EU. This was possible because we are, and always have been, a Sovereign nation. Scotland is not a sovereign nation so it does not get to decide if it leaves the UK or not - Westminster decides. Last time Scotland asked for a vote on independence it was refused.
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  621. @MGazT "NOPE !" - That just makes you unreasonable. For all the reasons I previously gave but which you conveniently ignored. Sticking your head in the sand doesn't make you right. You failed to address any of the valid points I made.
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  622. @MGazT We live in a democracy which means it is not up to you to unilaterally decide when Scotland does or does not get a referendum.
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  623.  @ninetalesxyo8842  The Scottish people are NOT the SNP. So it does not matter what the SNP may or may not have said. The CONDITIONS on which the Scottish people voted have RADICALLY changed. And so the Scottish PEOPLE deserve to have a say. This has got nothing to do with the SNP or any other political party. ALL my reasons why the Scottish PEOPLE deserve another say apply and you have not invalidated any of them. What the SNP may have said is irrelevant to anything.
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  624.  @ninetalesxyo8842  "So like it or not Scotland would be out of the EU regardless." - Your so called "logic" is nonsense. In 2014 Scotland voted TO REMAIN in the EU. The ONLY reason they are now out of the EU is because Westminster BETRAYED SCOTLAND and undermined the ENTIRE REASON they voted "no". Anyway it is obvious you are not very logical and are only arguing from your prejudices. Some things can't be fixed so I will stop trying with you.
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  625.  @0penminds  "everyone has access to EU markets" - They can, in theory, trade through WTO expensive tariffs. Nobody does that. Nobody. America just won the right to triple the amount of Beef it sells to EU countries over the next 7 years. The fact that America had to negotiate to be able to do that should tell you that the common market is not just an open free for all. Japan closed a deal with the EU. Before they were allowed to trade in the common market, Japan had to change a bunch of their trading laws and standards to meet with EU requirements. What about Norway? Norway has full access to the single market but is not in the EU. However it pays a contribution to the EU Budget to gain that access and has to sign up to all the rules of the club - including its common regulations and standards.
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  626.  @ThePodcastLab  "The UK are asking for 'Free Trade Agreement' that's all. Something the EU has negotiated with Canada, Japan and New Zealand, along with many others." - All those countries have agreed to abide by EU Single market rules as part of their FTAs. Something Boris Johnson is refusing to do. THAT IS THE POINT . Boris could have his FTA if he agrees to the same terms that Canada, Japan and New Zealand and many others have agreed to.
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  627.  @markscott7777777  We never gave up sovereignty to the EU. Every trade deal we make with the EU or outside the EU will mean we will have to agree to certain terms. That is what an AGREEMENT is. You can't be free to do whatever you want at the same time as having a trade agreement. Not with the EU, not with ANYONE. Stop drinking the Brexiteer coolaid.
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  628.  @1Thedairy  We ARE the EU. The EU is not some separate entity. We are as much part of the EU as any one else. We have real power in Europe. Why give up British power in Europe. Then we will have LESS power, not more.
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  629.  Simon Janney  "it will be cheaper to trade with the rest of the world on WTO cos we wont have a subscription to pay like we do with the EU" - No, it won't. Whoever told you that was very bad at maths.
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  630.  @joeythehat9  MSM is a US news outlet. I am British and this channel is a British news outlet.
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  631.  @cindyhargett510  Trump has zero respect for WHITE women and he has dated more than his fair share of them too.
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  632. No windfall tax, so the British taxpayer will pay for the £100+ billion energy crisis and yet she claims to want low taxes. What she means is low taxes for the rich and higher taxes for the ordinary workers to pay off the massive debts from borrowing to get us through the energy crisis. Disgusting how she lets the oil companies walk away with CRIMINAL profits and forces us to pay for their wartime profiteering.
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  633. A lot of people are using fake indignation as an excuse to have something against protesting the problems of racism we have in this country. They need some "legitimate" reason for thier passive or active participation in that racism. Whereas you can't condone destruction, you should at least understand it. If you can't even do that then you ARE part of the racism problem in this country.
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  634.  @linistesipace6561  "all the arrests that were made in UK for posting different opinions" - No one was arrested in the UK for posting different opinions. People were arrested for encouraging acts of violence. That is not a matter of opinion and nothing to do with Communism.
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  635.  @snowstrobe  "you are all so heavily indoctrinated" - Not at all. I have given Communism due consideration, and it has a few fatal flaws. The principle is fine, but it is, IMO unworkable. Capitalism, on the other hand, is unsustainable and grossly damaging. But I think the best we can do is have a strong social framework upon which would sit a somewhat restrained and sustainable form of Capitalism. But really none of it matters much as long as the people with money keep using that money to brainwash the masses, there is little hope of real change. The fact is we will walk into a climate disaster (we already have), we will walk into food shortages, we will walk into population unsustainability and Capitalism will eat itself when it gets to the point where it can't expand any further (Capitalism requires an ever expanding market).
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  636. Being reliant on the US for trade is a bad idea IMO. Look at what is happening to Mexico. Trump is dictating Mexico's policies by blackmailing them using massive trade tariffs. At least in the EU we have tariff free trading. No other country in the EU can do what the US is doing to Mexico right now. The US is a bully, lets not give them power over us. https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2019/06/03/trump-s-uk-trade-deal-an-abusive-relationship-with-a-now-vul
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  637. @Myname Isunavailable It's not about who has how many missiles aimed where. It's about proximity. A nuclear missile in Ukraine, for example, would take only 5 minutes to reach Moscow. This is far too little time for Russia to respond. The entire nuclear peace is predicated on MAD - the fact that whoever starts a nuclear war will also be destroyed by the war. It has been maintaining the peace. But the US has been putting missiles closer and closer to Russia, and it should be obvious that this is unsustainable from Russia's point of view. NEITHER side is innocent here. For the sake of peace they should get together and make a peace treaty where they agree limits to how close they can deploy missiles to each other's territories.
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  638.  @peteralex2908  "what you going on about you complete tool" - Despite your comment being barely even English, what I said was that a big threat from this virus is its ability to clog up the hospitals to the extent that emergency services grind to a halt for weeks on end.
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  639.  @mogznwaz  "why has the opposite been encouraged in the EU" - It's not the EU, it is national government everywhere are lobbied to keep green policies to a minimum. It is called Capitalism. The EU isn't a single entity, it will only address environmental issues when its member governments have the will to do it because the EU is its members. If you REALLY cared about the environment you would want to be in the EU because the EU is well-placed to influence environmental policies Europe wide - and among its trading partners too. Now that we are out of the EU we have NO VOICE regarding green policies in Europe. The Tories don't care - they want to start opening new coal-mines. When we were in the EU we THE PEOPLE had a democratic voice in the EU Parliament. If people want it enough they can FORCE the EU to implement greener policies via the EU Parliament. But our Europe wide democratic voices were stolen by Brexit, and now we have less democracy and less ability to influence our government to make the world greener.
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  640. @Urban Moving Systems Did you exercise your European democratic power wisely? Did you question MEP candidates if they supported Article 11 or not? Did you let them know you would not vote them into the European Parliament if they voted for it? If not you can't blame the EU for the new copyright law, it is your fault. We have real democratic power in the EU and the problem is we are not using it. We can fix the internet copyright laws if we engage in the EU and talk to our MEPs and tell they we won't vote for them unless they work to change it. Britain would have passed that law even if we were not int the EU. But at least in the EU we have another democratic voice to make the governments listen to us. But we have to engage.
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  641.  @Anymonkeyme  "the EU also agreed to working on a trade deal in good faith" - Where have they not done this?
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  642.  @Land-of-reason  "Barnier undermined that one to one relationship and started to negotiate with opposition parties." - What do you think Barnier was negotiating with "opposition parties" and where do you get this srtuf from? There is a reason British MPs are referred to as "The Opposition". The reason is that Democracy works by having opposing political scrutiny. British people elected members into Parliament - opposition members. British people ALSO voted members into the European Parliament. We had democratic officials in both the UK opposition and the EU Parliament. It is THEIR JOB to talk to each other. Your arbitrary fabricated "rules" have no basis anywhere other than the right wing phoney press.
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  643.  @0penminds  "Does the EU force enforce a level playing field with any other country it trades with?" - Yes. Of course it does. And why would anyone object to a "level playing field"? Is that not the very basis of a mutual deal that is fair and just in both directions?
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  644.  @nickbreen287  All the EU is saying is that the more we diverge on standards, the harder the border needs to be between EU and UK. That should be obvious. If standards are different then checks between countries are necessary. If Britain wants frictionless trade we have to have the same standards. This is the same all over the world. If we do a deal with the US that allows freedom of movement across our borders then there will have to be some synchronization of standards - otherwise goods will have to be checked and, by definition, that is not a frictionless border.
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  645.  @terenceclark6858  There is no evidence of that. Boris is being deliberately unreasonable. Boris set the 11 month time-table that EVERYONE says is crazy/impossible. Boris is the one is refusing to follow common Single Market rules and yet demands unrestricted access to the Single Market. Not only is that unreasonable it is also impossible. The Single Market only exists BECAUSE of its rules. 27 countries are not going to compromise that for any reason. Britain has shot itself in the foot but 27 countries are not going to allow themselves to be damaged by the same gun any more than they absolutely have to. Boris has ALWAYS wanted "no-deal" (whatever he says) because he wants a deal with the US and the US have stipulated that "no-deal" with the EU is a pre-requisite. But Boris also knows that he only got voted in because the people of Britain WANT a deal with the EU. So he is deliberately forcing a no-deal while pretending to be trying to get a deal just so he can blame the EU for it.
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  646.  @0penminds  "...maybe you should think about everything the EU has demanded so far?" - The EU has been saying exactly the same thing since before the 2016 referendum. Access to the Single Market requires following Single Market rules. We knew that because we were a large part in developing the Single Market.
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  647.  @0penminds  "I guess you think they made the same demand of Japan also" - Japan spent 3 years changing its trading laws and internal standards in order to qualify for their FTA with the EU.
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  648. He's a warrior that commits crimes. And he has nothing whatsoever to do with God, except he is manipulating people of the church just to get elected.
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  649. 50% of our trade is with the EU. We can't forget about them. It is not the EU that is holding us it is the trade itself.
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  650. @Brother Spartacus "It's mutually beneficial for both parties to continue trading deal or no-deal" - Sure. But "no deal" makes everything more expensive so we will be poorer. But we will continue trading. Also many export businesses will become non-viable without a deal so we will have higher unemployment. But we will continue trading.
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  651. @Brother Spartacus "no-deal making things more expensive has been debunked." - No it hasn't. Basic maths makes it inevitable.
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  652. @Brother Spartacus "yes it's been debunked" - And yet you can't explain why because basic maths says if you add costs to trading the goods become more expensive. Money does not magically appear from nowhere. Someone has to pay.
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  653. @Brother Spartacus "Finally the regulatory burdens enforced by the EU." - These will never go away. As long as UK companies sell to EU countries they will have to meet the regulatory standards of the EU. But after Brexit this will get more expensive. Why? Because currently the UK can issue EU regulation certification. But after Brexit the UK will lose that status and UK companies will have to use EU regulatory bodies in other countries.
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  654. @TheGoodCapybara "So what do you suggest to end the war?" - I don't know how to end this war. But surrendering is one option I suppose. I am sure if Russia invaded the US they would just surrender too.
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  655.  @dopeyb218  Also, immigration has INCREASED since Brexit. The difference is that Britain is now bringing in well-educated foreign workers at higher incomes. This means the Tories don't have to invest in education, they just import well-trained workers that other countries paid to educate. So, moving forward, British people will now receive less education and training so we will fill the low paying jobs and big business will import well-trained (at another country's expense) foreign workers to become the management and above. But you keep believing the Tories are helping the working classes if that's what the Daily Express is telling you.
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  656.  john hansberry  What has that got to do with the fact that he was suffocated to death?
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  657. Back in the days when military strategy was absolutely stupid.
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  658.  @Scripture-Man  Did you watch the whole video? She was "head of press for UKIP", she was a chief player, and worked for Cambridge Analytica on a previous disinformation campaign in Kenya. They literally have a voice recording of her admitting she worked for Cambridge Analytica proving that she was lying to the journalist, and she admits she was working on the campaign that we know was a massive disinformation campaign.
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  659. "you can’t reason with stupid" - That is why people who follow a party that won't answer simple questions can not be reasoned with.
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  660. Do they? I don't agree with China but I definitely also disagree with the way the US and specifically Donald Trump has handled China. The way of trade and diplomacy was working and China is moving away from Communism through those efforts. Sure it has been backsliding recently but Trumps blundering trade war is stupid and reckless.
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  661.  @genericusername3212  "we should walk away and let the EU stew for a while. Or collapse...whatever" - Why? The EU is only getting stronger because it really does have countries lining up trying to get in. They just made a fantastic FTA deal with Japan which we will miss out on - cheaper technology/cars etc... They just made a big deal with 3 South American countries ripe for development great for exports. We would have benefited from that too but not any more. The EU is not going to collapse because why would it? The EU is a major net benefit to the countries involved.
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  662.  @genericusername3212  The membership fee is small change for the EU. It is there to support ADMINISTRATION and GOODWILL projects like education and developing economic growth in poorer areas. But compared to the TRADE the member fee is irrelevant. No one is pretending that Britain leaving the EU doesn't hurt EU countries as well as Britain. But the EU is 27 countries and we are 1. The EU has more than 700 trade deals and we have NONE. Do the math.
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  663.  @genericusername3212  "the EU is in financial melt down" - The EU doesn't remain together because of the membership feas. It stays together because 27 countries are conducting TRILLIONS of Euros worth of trade far more cheaply than they ever could without it. Those TRILLIONS of dollars in mutual trade far outweigh any "membership fee". Stop reading the propaganda and go read a respectable economics expert. They all say no-deal is a disaster for Britain.
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  664.  @ch0293  Explain which part is false.
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  665.  @trytellingthetruth.2068  Brexit, the name you can turn to every time you want to blame Brexit for what Brexit is doing.
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  666.  @cobraunit9679  Their excessive profits are not being made through hard work or excessive skill. They are capitalizing on the very high price of fuel that is putting families into extreme debt and forcing families to choose between heating and eating. They are capitalizing on the MISERY of circumstance. The excessive profits, therefore, should be immediately redistributed (via a windfall tax) among the people whose misery they have been levied from.
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  667.    I have never seen any evidence whatsoever to suggest Brexit would be "successful". All logic tells me that it will be hugely damaging in the short term and in the long term we will recover but we won't be in such a good place as we are in the EU. There is simply no better trading zone in the world.
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  668.  @MyName-cw4yr  No. I did not forget that. You seem to want to argue over definitions to avoid the disgusting hate-mongering coming from the British Government.
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  669.  @You2345yihyh  "This is surely the reason why most Muslim countries are at war or suffering terrism." - No, the reason for that is because the US & UK have been deliberately destabilizing middle eastern countries for decades. The British and the US deposed the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED leader of Iran in 1953, replacing him with a ruthless dictator who went on a murder spree, killing all the democratic leaders in Iran. In desperation, the people of Iran eventually turned to the religious fundamentalist leaders - the Ayatollahs. It was Britain and the US that made Iran hate the west and a sponsor of terrorism because we destroyed their democracy and pushed them down the path of tyranny.
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  670.  @You2345yihyh  "This is surely the reason why most Muslim countries are at war or suffering terrism." - In Afghanistan it was the United States that funded the Taliban, supplying them with weapons and turning them into a terrorist organization against the government of Afghanistan. The reason? Because the Afghanistan government were getting help from Russia and so the US decided to fight a proxy war by recruiting TERRORISTS against the Afghani State to get at the Russians.
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  671. This ban should apply to all NICOTINE based products, including cigarettes and vapes. Moreover they should not be banning smoking on the basis of health. The reason they should ban both smoking and vaping is that NICOTINE is an extremely addictive substance and an addict has to go through weeks of mental torture if they want to give it up. It should not be legal to sell a substance that tortures people into spending their money. Simple as that.
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  672.  @Tamarlane389  "Nicotine and heroin are equally addictive but not equally harmful" - That is true. Heroin is considerably less harmful than nicotine. It is only because heroine is illegal that people suffer health problems as heroine addicts. Heroine itself does not really harm the body at all. Most heroin deaths are from overdose rather than any kind of long term damage from the heroin itself.
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  673. She is not negotiating anything. Watch the video.
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  674. ​ @Alfie-ni7lx  It is because in the US many police forces are OVER funded and the idea is to reduce police funding and give that money to community projects aimed at reducing the causes of crime.
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  675.  @SquidgyPickle  Duh. Only poor people are being ripped off my the fines system.
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  676. Western allies should stop buying US goods and start buying Canadian, Mexican, EU, British, etc.... anything but American. - Stand up to bullies.
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  677.  @saxglend9439  Very well reasoned argument. I will abandon being fair, equitable and generally nice to the less fortunate immediately.
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  678. Debt is a problem of irresponsible Capitalism and Democracy. Voters hate paying tax so they always vote for parties offering tax cuts. They prefer to go into debt than pay tax. This is their democratic right and choice. Blame Conservative voters that hate collecting tax then force borrowing to keep the country running.
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  679. There are no better deals for farmers than the one we have with the EU. It's just platitudes. There will be unicorns and fairies.
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  680. Fixing what the Tories broke will take a wile. But the main problem always was a broken asylum system.
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  681.  @wallywild5088  The Conservative governments have been under-funding the NHS for more than a decade. The NHS was on its knees long before this virus struck. Even topnotch healthcare systems in Italy have been overwhelmed. The dilapidated NHS stands no chance. The Conservatives crippled the NHS and now the Conservatives are doing nothing to stop this virus that overwhelms even the most looked after healthcare systems.
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  682. Despite the excuses, it is curious that Trump has selected the three biggest exporters to the US to impose tariffs on. So, to the untrained eye, it looks like a money raising exercise - a cash grab from the American people at the expense of the American people and the US's best trading partners. No doubt Trump has plans for all that money and likely has ways to filter as much of it as possibly into his businesses and those of his friends and donors.
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  683.  @IanBullough  We don't get to set other people's tariffs. And when we set our tariffs to 0% there is no incentive for other countries to negotiate a trade deal with us because we are already giving them free access to our market which they do not have to reciprocate. Canada said if we drop our tariffs they won't bother negotiating a deal with us because it is not in their interest if we already give them everything without reciprocation.
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  684.  @IanBullough  I corrected that to say "90% of our beef exports" which is what I intended to say. But the point is that our export markets are going to be torn to shreds by WTO.
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  685.  @Ian-pm8ll  "It seems you totally ignore the existence consumer choices" - You must be rich. Poor people don't have the same choices rich people have. Rich people will always be able to afford hand-reared organic chicken. Poor people will just eat what they can afford. Especially when we have to get rid of our food labeling laws because the USA tells us to. Food labeling is one of the best things the EU did for consumers. So many EU laws are about protecting consumers. So many American laws are about protecting big business and screwing over the consumers.
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  686.  @Ian-pm8ll  "Maybe you should listen to Jean Claude Juncker from 2007" - It doesn't matter how you define words. Every time you make a trade deal you have to let the other parties have their input and make a compromise that you have to stick to even if it is not your personal choice. If you call that "transfer of sovereignty" to the other members in the trade deal then we will be "transferring [some] sovereignty" with everyone we make deals with. Only we will be so desperate to make deals that the USA will force us to do everything they tell us to. It will be a wholesale giving up of sovereignty to America, but in a real sense because we will not have the cooperative input we do now in the EU.
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  687. @Smokeango You can't take money from European businesses that they don't have to give. This idea that the seller can just pay WTO tariffs (on behalf of British customers) and still remain in business is nonsense. Their businesses are no different from ours. They will be forced to try to sell their food to other people. They have, after all, just opened up some really big new markets. We, on the other hand... where are we going to get our food from? This is a HUGE problem. Both Britain and EU countries have been trading without tariffs. With a no-deal both sides of the trade will be facing tariffs. There is no "magic" solution that we can just find magically cheaper food elsewhere. If that was possible we would already be buying it! WTO will hurt both sides. But the UK is one country and the EU is 27 so the pain to the EU will be shared across a much bigger economy so it WILL hurt the UK much much more than it will hurt them.
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  688. Boris didn't even go to Brussels when the EU asked to conduct talks with him. He made demands that he knows are impossible for the EU to accept in order to be able to blame wrecking the country on the EU. Boris is happy to damage the livelihoods of millions (of poor people) and to start a war in Northern Ireland just so he can say he was PM and for whatever American back-handers he is getting to sell this country to the US.
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  689.  @ivancarter7564  That is not the case here. Brexiteers specifically want to avoid EU rules that are mandatory for access to the Single Market (because they want their deal with America). They know the EU can't allow access without us following those rules (because it damages the integrity and security of the Single Market). This has been firmly established. Boris pretending to try to "renegotiate" that which he already knows is impossible for the EU to give is purely to trick the public into blaming the EU. But the EU are not being unreasonable. They really don't have a choice.
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  690.  @ivancarter7564  "you need to read boris's document and not believe what's in gutter press" - No that's what you need to do. I have read the actual EU treaties that Britain and 27 other countries signed. I know exactly why the EU can not give Boris the impossible things he is asking for. Boris wants no-deal and nothing else. Boris is pretending to want to re-negotiate purely to trick voters into blaming the EU for the economic disaster that Boris knows full well is going to happen to the UK with his no-deal. That and the war in Northern Ireland that Boris is going to start.
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  691. No, it is racism that is un-British. We fought a war against it in the 1940's.
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  692.  @bobrail733  You display such a lot of ignorance in so few words. You don't sound like much of a reader.
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  693. A lot of what Boris was saying about the movement of trade between the UK mainland and NI is very true and absolutely the reason why he NEVER should have created the Northern Ireland protocol in the first place. He should have been honest with the UK and told them that Brexit WOULD break Northern Ireland. No iffs, no butts and no "Project Fear". We knew before the Brexit referendum that Brexit WOULD break Northern Ireland if the UK left the Single Market. Boris and co. lied their faces off about that to trick people into voting for Brexit and HERE WE ARE. Boris did this and Boris made this mess. Boris broke Northern Ireland. Now Boris has a simple choice - a border in the Irish Sea or a border inside Ireland. Brexit did that, and Boris lied to make it happen.
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  694.  @Bungle-UK  "What has Brexit got to do with these figures?" - Brexit is costing the British Government £40 billion is lost taxes according to the OBR. It is impossible not to suffer financially when you increase the cost of trading with your biggest customer.
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  695.  @turboslag  "the easy scapegoat argument again" - It's not a scapegoat argument. It is basic economics that your economy suffers when you increase trade costs with your biggest customer.
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  696.  @lucasfernandez888  "I am MAGA" - That is not the impressive statement you think it is.
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  697. We have high tax because we're fucked. The Tories fucked us when they pulled us out of the Single Market (£40 billion tax revenue lost according to OBR) and when they gave all the tax money away in in the form of tax-breaks for their rich chums.
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  698. Deluded.
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  699.  @filmwork1  "someone earning under 35k is a net loss to the system" - How can people earning under 35k be a "net loss to the system" when they do ALL THE WORK to generate the wealth of the entire system? Clearly that 1% is being paid way too much and those below 35k are being paid way too little. The TAX system is supposed to correct that to some degree so the 1% SHOULD pay way more tax than the SLAVES who make all the 1%'s money for them.
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  700.  Donnie V.  I think you are confusing our economic system with our system of government.
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  701.  Donnie V.  The UK is a Parliamentary Democracy. Our Parliament is sovereign and has complete control over our entire economic system - which is hard Capitalism. In the past it used to be tempered with a few nationalized industries (so a little bit of Socialism in the mix) but these days only the NHS (Health Service) and various benefits services remain.
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  702.  Donnie V.  The Crown has zero power or control. We are a Constitutional Monarchy where the elected Parliament controls the constitution - and therefore the Monarchy. The Queen has only a few legal powers and every one of them is controlled by Parliament. She is literally a puppet. As far as the press goes, IIRC there are powers to impose press blackouts but only in emergency situations. The REAL problem with this country is that the filthy rich have bought out almost the entire press and media and they have a strangle-hold on what the general public get to read and see on the news. The government doesn't need to have legal control of the press because the press are (for the most part) in the pockets of the rich who also control the Conservative party in its entirety. Even the BBC is now mostly run by hard-line Conservatives. They who control the press, control the voters and they who control the voters control the government.
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  703.  @ratherlargehooter8200  "the Romans left no genetic legacy" - That is not what the evidence suggests. QUOTE: "probably the most widely held today, is that the migrants were fewer, possibly centred on a warrior elite – which would suggest that the incomers, having achieved a position of political and social dominance, acculturated the natives to their language and material culture, and intermarried with them to a significant degree. Archaeologists have found that settlement patterns and land use show no clear break with the Romano-British past, though there are marked changes in place names and material culture. This view predicts that the ancestry of the people of Anglo-Saxon and modern England would be largely derived from the native Romano-British." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people#Historical_and_genetic_origins
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  704.  James Smith  We need saving from ignorance, small mindedness, stupidity and hatred. Racism encompasses all of those things and more. We need saving from people like you. Our kids will be fine as long as they are not racists.
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  705.  @boscopappas234  "the government and citizens should fund it for them?" - No. The government should FIX the economy so that a working couple don't need to rely on BENEFITS, but they can actually EARN enough to raise their children. Too much money is being taken out of the top leaving hard-working people at the bottom without enough.
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  706.  @jacleena  You are the one who is falsely claiming that a Sovereign Nation is not allowed to form international agreements to make mutual laws for their mutual benefit. If a Sovereign Nation can not do that then how is it sovereign?
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  707.  alan peaco  You may be able to afford to waste food but millions of us can not. Increasing food prices and lower availability is going to hurt a lot of people very badly.
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  708.  @JotheWordsmith  We can't negotiate better trade deals for our exports. The BEST trade deal for UK exports is membership of the EU. Pure and simple. But as far as other trade deals go, it has been 5 years and nothing. 2 trade deals that cause harm to the UK farming industry. Who eslse do you suggest we form a trade deal with? In trade deals, the deal ALWAYS favours the larger economy - so don't expect a deal with Trump's US to give us anything.
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  709.  @JotheWordsmith  And, to be clear, we are not talking about the EU Parliament, we are talking about every EU member's head of state haivng 100% say in any trade deal. This is equal power! If they use that power to gain other benefits/concessions from Germany/France etc..., then that is directly due to the power that equal EU veto rights gives them.
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  710.  @JotheWordsmith  "In the same way that our negotiators have to take into consideration Scotland, Wales, the regions of England and Northern Ireland" - No, we do not have to take any of those into consideration in the UK. Westminster alone is sovereign. Wales is not sovereign and has no veto in British trade deals. Scotland is not sovereign and has no say in any trade deals. Westminster alone makes the decision for all Britain. The EU is completely different. In the EU every nation has the power to say no. This is why Scotland has Brexit because they voted no but Westminster dragged them out of the EU regardless.
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  711.  @JotheWordsmith  "We sacrificed the fishing industry to join in trade with the EU in the past, but that was one of many factors that led to Brexit." - This is just one of the many, many falsehoods that lead to Brexit. We did not sacrifice the fishing industry. British fishing was decimated by the Cod Wars with Iceland. Joining the EU had nothing to do with that. British fishermen chose to sell up rather than fish British waters. Brexit was built on one lie after another. Brexit is what has harmed British fishing and if the UK rejoins the EU, then British fishing will benefit hugely from that.
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  712.  @JotheWordsmith  "trade deals MUST work fairly for both parties otherwise they don't work long term" - Membership of the EU was working very well for the UK in the long term. The ONLY reason we have Brexit is because people were given false information about virtually everything. They lied about fishing, they lied about immigration, they lied about Northern Ireland and they lied about the tyoes of trade deals we would have after Brexit. Brexit is all built on lies.
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  713.  @JotheWordsmith  "Being a member of the EU hasn't got any of them a trade deal with the US, despite the size of their market" - Actually, the fact that the EU is such a huge market has meant that the US has cooperated with the EU over their WTO tariff schedules so that, despite not having an FTA they have reduced tariffs between the EU and the US to about 2%, when is nearly as good as an FTA.
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  714.  @JotheWordsmith  "We should prioritise the UK's political and economic independence not EU" - Why? It harms our economy, reduces our rights and freedoms and provides no benefits whatsoever.
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  715.  @JotheWordsmith  "the original point still stands. We are a NET IMPORTER of EU goods." - That has not changed because of Brexit has it. All Brexit did was make our imports more expensive and take longer in the post. Why would we want that? If we buy so much from the EU then Economics 101 says we should make those purchases as cheap as possible to save ourselves money. Why would you make the majority of your imports (the things you buy) more expensive?
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  716.  @JotheWordsmith  "UK doesn't have a trade deal with the US but it's still one of our best markets" - But we do twice as much business with the EU than we do with the US, so Economics 101 says make the EU trade cheaper.
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  717.  @JotheWordsmith  "We are a profitable market for EU exporters, therefore to maintain their market share they cannot close or restrict our exporters access to their market without suffering negatively. It's basic economics to make access to your market a positive for both sides." - This is exactly why we should be members of the EU. You said "to maintain their market share they cannot close or restrict our exporters access to their market without suffering negatively" but Brexit does exactly that. It restricts access to each others markets and therefore (according to you) both the UK and the EU are "suffering negatively" because of Brexit. Basic Economics. We should rejoin the EU to remove the trade barriers.
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  718. We won't have a choice if we leave the EU. That should be an obvious truth. We will be desperate for a trade deal or people will starve. Therefore we will have to give the US everything they ask for, bend over and say thank you for roggering us up the backside.
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  719.  @icarus877  The EU is a fantastic organisation that benefits the lives of all those who are part of it. This is why countries go through such pains to become a part of it. Being outside is worse. Much worse.
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  720.  @Tom-pe3se  We can't do that. Our country needs the resources and trade deals that sending in the military secures for us. We don't send our Army to other countries out of the goodness of our hearts. We do it because we need the things those countries have to offer - like OIL, foreign business etc...
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  721.  @icarus877  The Right Wing propagandists really did do a number on you. It is true that debating with you is useless. You are far too brainwashed if you really believe the bs and nonsense you just posted.
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  722.  @icarus877  You have everything the exact opposite. The Brexit movement is very similar to the Fascist movement. They both predicate on blaming IMMIGRATION, and they both blame EUROPE for their problems. You are literally following a Fascist style campaign that has successfully convinced you of the opposite. Banks? The EU imposes strict regulation on Banks. Brexit? The people in the Brexit Part want to DEREGULATE Banks giving them a free hand to do what they want. Why do you think TORIES are in favor of Brexit? Because they represent BIG BUSINESS - like Banks who hate the EU because it prevents them from operating without accountability. If Brexit happens Britain will be FORCED to deregulate the Banks and to cut their taxes to prevent them from moving their money elsewhere. Let me show you with some quotes (do your own research too): *"US banks are calling on the British government to cut taxes and red tape that they say could lead to financial assets and jobs pouring out of the UK after Brexit. Senior Wall Street executives have warned UK government ministers that the City of London is losing its competitive edge against New York, especially since US president Donald Trump slashed corporation tax and pushed for looser regulations. One top US bank executive said after meeting UK chancellor Philip Hammond this month: “I think they know there is a ticket to pay to keep [London] as a financial centre.” Stephen Jones, chief executive of UK Finance, a lobby group for British lenders, said: “Competitiveness is a big agenda, and the tax cuts and deregulation in the US have put this firmly on the radar.  “There is a perception that [in the UK] this is still a relatively hostile business and regulatory environment.”"* https://www.ft.com/content/3a2a5598-8d9a-11e8-b639-7680cedcc421 Also: *"UK is willing to ​‘change its economic model’ if the EU doesn’t play ball in the negotiations. As more banks indicate that they may start to shift operations abroad, it is possible that the government may choose to slash financial regulation in a bid to curry favour with the City of London. Matters could be made worse if the government signs a hastily negotiated trade deal with the US. Trade deals aim to level out regulatory standards between two countries, and in theory this could mean that both countries choose to raise their standards to make them equal. But with Donald Trump in the White House, it’s fair to assume that the direction of regulatory standards will likely be downwards."* https://neweconomics.org/2017/04/brexit-banks-stands-gain After leaving the EU BIG BUSINESS is expecting large scale deregulation and big tax cuts. Its the main reason they want out. It is why the Brexit campaign is pumping out so much PROPAGANDA pretending to be the exact opposite of what it really is. In the EU we have democracy. For goodness sake we just have the EUROPEAN ELECTIONS. How can you still believe that the EU is not democratic? We the people get to choose HOW the EU is run.
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  723.  @icarus877  The European Parliament is ELECTED by US. That makes the EU democratic. The other body in the EU is the European Commission made up of national representatives from every member nation. THEY are chosen by the European Parliament so even the European Commission is now a DEMOCRATIC body. To say the EU is not democratic is blatantly wrong and provably so. The EU is has the biggest programme of environmental legislation in the world. The EU created the world's biggest single market. The EU won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2012. The EU is the world leader in Human Rights, something Brexiteers want to get rid of. Who in their right mind wants to get rid of Human Rights? The EU forces BUSINESS to treat workers better and gives them rights - like anti-discrimination. If you want to talk about racism and racial discrimination look no farther than the Brexit Party and Brexiteers in general. They hate immigration and they hate cooperating wit foreign countries.
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  724.  @icarus877  EU law is openly available for all to read and inspect, you don't need any qualification other than to be able to READ. The members of the European Commission are chosen by the sovereign states and vetted by the European Parliament which is an ELECTED body. That makes the EC appointments democratic. If the European Parliament don't like them, they don't get in. It is THAT simple.
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  725. ​ @icarus877  Farage is on video all over the internet contradicting himself. Saying one thing here and the exact oposite there. All Farage does is tell people what they want to hear when they want to hear it. He uses POPULIST tactics like picking on immigrants and blaming the EU for everything. It is TORY government that put Britain in the state it was before the referendum, NOT the EU. It is the same playbook the right wing fascists movements have used time and time again. Blame immigrants, Nationalism, xenophobia, flag waving and using peoples anger and frustrations to lead them into poor decision making. We have seen this time and time again all over the world. The EU is constantly changing and it was definitely worse in the past but it is also definitely reformable because it has been under a process of reform since its inception. The REAL problem with the EU is that nobody is encouraged to engage in its politics. If VOTERS were encouraged to take an interest in the EU then those things you mention would get fixed. We WOULD vote for candidates that have SPECIFIC ideas about how the EU should be different. And THAT would pressure the government to propose the relevant changes at the Commission level. It would even change the way we vote in UK General elections which would force UK Governments to push for this or that in the EU. But the British Government have all but hidden the EU process from us, clearly they have not encouraged the people to engage in Europe. But they should and that is what would make all the difference. Siding with the US is the WORST mistake we can make. That will be a disaster far worse than any problems with the EU. The EU is a LARGE net benefit to us. It always has been. But a deal with the US will be a very bad indeed.
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  726.  @Irrelevantusername000  "What source are you getting this information from." - I already told you. The Office of Budgetary Responsibility.
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  727.  @Irrelevantusername000  " there is no proof either way what effect brexit has had on Britain" - Yes there is. Both Covid and the War are KNOWN quantities as is the general effect of Brexit. We KNOW how much it used to cost to sell goods to EU countries when we were members of the Single Market (NOTHING ZERO ZILCH) and we KNOW how much it costs to sell to EU countries now we are not members of the Single market (A LOT OF MONEY). We can compare our input/output with world input/output and European input/output. The people who work at the Office of Budgetary Responsibility are economic scientists. They know what they are talking about.
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  728. @Charles White "National differences are being eroded by the EU" - Rubbish. National differences are being eroded by THE INTERNET and by HOLLYWOOD. Nothing to do with the EU.
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  729.  @georgedebenham1042  "leave won the referendum whichever way you dress it up" - Who is disputing that?
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  730.  @georgedebenham1042  "why don’t you come along to the party" - Families are being torn up because the government is not giving millions of EU members resident status. Jobs are being lost. Businesses are going to struggle. Britain is losing credibility on the world stage and facing all but assimilation into the USA (aka Puerto Rico). Workers protections are being removed as are human rights protections. Britain is losing the HUGE amount of power we used to wield within the EU. Now our businesses still have to follow EU rules and we have no say in it. If you want to celebrate all that, its your business.
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  731.  @georgedebenham1042  "how do you think we managed pre 1973" - No one said we won't "manage". But families are getting torn apart because millions of EU citizens are losing their resident status. Some businesses will fail while others succeed, but job losses and turnaround are inevitable. Working people WILL be poorer, even though they will "manage". Britain has already lost a lot of credibility and it has already lost its considerable power within Europe. We continue to be DEPENDENT on Europe for 50% of our GDP. So we are not gaining any "independence" in any meaningful way. If you want to celebrate our utter inability to forge mutually beneficial legal agreements with other countries, go right ahead. I see it as a massive and cowardly weakness that I will not be celebrating.
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  732. @David Graham Brown All the more reason not to celebrate what is happening because of Brexit.
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  733. @David Graham Brown What did I say that was incorrect?
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  734. @David Graham Brown Your last comment doesn't tell me what you think I said that was incorrect. Why don't you re-read what I said that you believe is incorrect and copy the incorrect words into a reply? That way it will be perfectly clear what you think I said that is incorrect.
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  735.  @lervish1966  We all watched that train wreck. We all know the Tories drove our public services into the gound and lied about everything.
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  736.  @alexanderstefanov6474  Rejoining the EU is impossible right now. And even if it were, they have no mandate for rejoining. Alighning us as closely as possible is the best they can do right now and it a good step in the direction of turning the Brexit ship round.
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  737.  @desmondhull5778  "hes made it worse." - No. You can't make things worse in a couple of weeks (unless you're Liz Truss). He discovered it was worse than the Tories had claimed. They hid costs from the OBR to cover up a financial black hole.
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  738.  @desmondhull5778  "So hes going to make pensioners and the working man pay for the Tories mistakes" - Until the budget we don't know what he is going to do. But pensioners should not receive benefits unless they fall below a certain minimum. So it looks like they will simply make fuel payments means tested, which is how it should be.
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  739.  @desmondhull5778  "Yes what about the poor pensioners two or three pounds over the threshold..." - There will always be pensioners two or three pounds over the threshold no matter what you set the threshold to. The threshold should be set at an appropriate value.
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  740.  @desmondhull5778  "I take it your not a working class pensioner." - We will all be pensioners at some point. I want pensioners to get what they are entitled to and if that includes benefits then those benefits should only be for those that need it. No point in giving benefits to rich pensioners. All of our pensiones will me higher if benefits aren't wasted on the rich.
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  741. Tory Britain, strikes, hunger, food banks, poverty, oppression. Tax the poor to feed the rich. Nothing has changed for two hundred years for the Tories.
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  742. We do more trade with the EU. What has France and Germany got to do with it?
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  743.  @ColinGarner-h1t  "our biggest trade is with America" - No it isn't. We do at least twice as much trade with the EU than with the US.
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  744.  @ColinGarner-h1t  We do more than twice as much trade with the EU than with the US.
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  745.  @ColinGarner-h1t  We do twice as much trade with the EU than we do with the US.
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  746.  @ColinGarner-h1t  We do twice as much trade with the EU than we do with the US.
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  747.  @ColinGarner-h1t  There is no evidence of that. Don't believe everything you real in the Tory press.
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  748.  @Steven-fv8xw  I sincerely hope they do sign a pact and that Labour gets behind revoke. But right now Labour is trying to play both sides of the fence. They don't seem to have any principles in this they just want to pick the "winning" side. Corbyn wants Brexit, he always has.
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  749.  @19thewanderer  Smart response. Very convincing.
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  750. They are trying to create a Kristallnacht but for Muslims and Asylum Seekers.
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  751. We are out. We voted for it and we got it. But we also voted for closer relationships with the EU so that's what we're getting.
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  752.  @LaurenceNoble-v6b  "whats the excuse for the migrants that attack the police and get away with it," - I don't believe in this racist propaganda.
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  753. But the billionaires are using far-right tactics to gain support from the working classes (including cosying up to the Churches). So the workers are voting for billionaires to rule over them.
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  754. Facebook, Google, X etc... want to get rid of regulation by governments so they can control the world.
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  755.  @stoufer2000  No.
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  756.  @studmalexy  The point about DEMOCRACY is that people can have any political view they want and THE PEOPLE decide if they want it or not by VOTING. It is not for YOU to decide for everybody if "Marxism" is good or bad. It is for EVERYBODY to vote. That is democracy and if you don't like that then you are undemocratic.
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  757.  @studmalexy  Also her beliefs are not very radical. You have been manipulated to think that. We have all the things she is campaigning for in Great Britain and we have had them for many decades (free medicare for all, free college education for all etc...). We are NOT a "marxist" country by any means we are decidedly right of center. Your government is branding these MILDLY socialist ideas as "communism" because they want you to be afraid of them even though they are very sensible and would be great for your country.
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  758. ​ @studmalexy  Don't you believed in the rule of law? American law says she is an American. If you disagree with that then you disagree with American law. There are lots of different accents in America. She clearly loves America because she is serving it in the American Congress. People are making up lies about her and you are just letting them manipulate you.
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  759.  @studmalexy  So you admit you don't like democracy you see it as a false god. Doesn't that make you a lot more Unamerican? Doesn't that mean you hate America because you don't like democracy?
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  760. Trump is out of control. IMO no point in including Trump in anything. He's a Russian asset and therefore a huge security risk.
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  761.  @qualitycheckandratings2783  "give reference" - Like I said check a history book. The history of the Nazi party is well known. It is not hard to fact check from CREDIBLE sources.
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  762.  @qualitycheckandratings2783  "your leftist professors who get enough money from Moscow to feed your brain with enemy ideas" - You sound both paranoid and brainwashed. Your head has been filled with McCarthyism. Someone has programmed you to see Communism everywhere. Check out "McCarthyism" - it is making a comeback and you are being played. Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
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  763.  @gitfoad8032  "a cosseted & rose-tinted bubble" - Did you even watch the video report? They were ON THE GROUND talking to actual protesters. Hardly a "cosseted & rose-tinted bubble".
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  764.  @qualitycheckandratings2783  "read the History from the source of Hitler's own book" - Please explain what it is about that quote that you think proves your point?
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  765.  @qualitycheckandratings2783  "was Hitler a cristion or athiest?" - This is what Hitler said: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." - Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941 "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter." - Adolf Hitler, speech on April 12, 1922
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  766.  @qualitycheckandratings2783  "Did Hitler had alliances with Islamic empire or not?" - He did. Mostly because Arabs hated Jews as much as he did. But remember Hitler was MASSIVELY anti-immigration. You know that right?
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  767.  @qualitycheckandratings2783  "to help you out in this debate?" - This is not a debate. You are searching the internet for examples where Hitler appears vaguely "left wing" rather than reading an actual credible history book.
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  768.  @qualitycheckandratings2783  "How Hitler's Forces Planned To Destroy German Christianity" - So you have proved Hitler was a liar who said one thing and did another. You have made my argument for me. Hitler said he was a "Socialist" but actively attacked and persecuted socialists. In the context of Germany at that time the Nazi party were very right wing - definitely anti-Marxist.
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  769.  @qualitycheckandratings2783  Your problem is you are searching right-wing propaganda sites rather than going to a CREDIBLE unbiased historian's research.
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  770.  @Zalley  "Channel 4 is the most left-wing of the main U.K. channels" - From your extreme right-wing position, I can see how genuine journalism might look that way.
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  771.  @qualitycheckandratings2783  "it's only you who don't know about this alliances" - People or organizations can have alliances. Ideas can not. Socialism is an idea. So is Islam. Well one is a religion and the other is a political philosophy so they are orthogonal. But lets try. Is Islam compatible with Socialism? Not really. Socialists today favor religious tolerance - Islam does not. Socialists today favor women's rights - Islam does not. Socialists today favor democratic process, Islam does not. Socialists today favor gay rights, Islam does not. etc... etc... I don't see that they have much in common to be honest.
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  772.  @qualitycheckandratings2783  "But you have accepted about the alliance" - I said an alliance between ideas is not possible. I pointed out that Islam is largely incompatible with Socialism. This all sounds like another wacky right-wing conspiracy theory you have been fed and swallowed.
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  773. @David Scales "The world is massive compared to the EU" - And we have trade deals with approximately none of it. And it will be many, many years (decades) before that changes enough to make a difference. And NONE of the deals we make will be better than the deals the EU makes on our behalf. And no one in the big wide world is going to make a deal with us before making a deal with the EU (if it hasn't already). For example Boris is trying to get a deal with japan. However we already have a deal with Japan until Jan 31 2021 because we're in the EU. Britain is not going to negotiate a better deal with Japan than the one we have in the EU because it is part of the EU-Japan deal that the EU gets preference. We live in a competitive world where we have so much less to offer. Not just because we're smaller than the EU but also we are negotiating from a position of weakness. Everyone knows we need deals really badly. Our best hope is to sell out to the US and that is a terrible terrible deal.
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  774.  @jonwhite8152  "surely it should be up to the electorate in the UK to decide and not the commissioners in brussels" - Currently the "commissioners" in Brussels include Great Britain and they don't decide these things as such, they suggest them to the elected body (Parliament) which discusses, debates and may suggest changes. It is then down to the elected body to decide if it may pass into law or not. So we, the people, have genuine input into Europe wide decisions of this nature. And the BEST part of this, to my mind, is that EU wide decisions can not degenerate into a typical British left/right yo-yo mess where the Tories revoke it and then Labour put it back again then the Tories revoke it and then Labour put it back... etc. Our right and left swinging style of government can be very inefficient and I think we as a country benefit from future British governments having to stick by agreements made by previous governments - especially when they relate to trade and the markets. I think being in the EU is a great stabilizer for the British economy.
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  775. ​ @jonwhite8152  "im just making an observation" I think solving these problems is made more difficult by our being bogged down into either "right" or "left" philosophy. It seems we either have to put everything in public hands or else let the rich do whatever they want and nothing in between. We should be able to craft a Free Trade system that allows for business growth as well as personal social mobility. A system so that people who work see real benefits and can afford to buy property and give their kids an education. But alternative solutions seem impossible when its all "right" or all "left" and those positions come with entrenched ideas about the structure of an economy - which are complete and incompatible opposites.
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  776.  @jonwhite8152  What you are saying doesn't make sense. Of course the Parliament has the real power. They can keep discussing, changing and voting against something until it is acceptable or until it is dropped. And WE vote for the MEPs so this is not a farce at all. We have real democratic power over how the EU is run. The real problem is that Brexiteers have lied about the EU being "undemocratic" and when they are called out on that obvious lie they have to pretend the democracy is not real. But how can democracy not be real? We do vote for the MEPs and if the MEPs don't vote the way we like we vote for a different MEP and they lose their job. This is how democracy works and there is no way round it.
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  777.  @jonwhite8152  "Yes there are british commissioners but so what, they are unelected" - Our Prime Minister is elected. He appoints a commissioner to represent British interests in the EU. Each head of state appoints ONE commissioner. This is fine because the Prime Minister is too busy to personally attend the EU and argue for British interests. But our commissioner is the representative of our elected Prime Minister and does maintain British interests within the EU.
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  778.  @jonwhite8152  "do we elect the commissioners who control the legislation" - We elect the government that appoints the Commissioner. So - fully democratic.
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  779.  @jonwhite8152  "i dont think you understand what democratic means" - It means we elect leaders and those leaders represent our interests - often by appointing specialists where needed. That includes the EU as commissioners. But it also happens at home. MPs don't physicaly write our laws themselves. They are not legal experts (usually). The actual laws are written by appointed legal experts in Whitehall. The MPs explain what they want to achieve but the laws themselves are written up by civil servants. Parliament then scrutinizes them - has legal experts check them if needed and decides to either accept them or reject them. We don't vote for the civil servants and we don't need to. Same with the EU commissioners.
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  780.  @omrxblah4572  There is nothing "repressive" about your right to privacy and personal space. No one should be forced to be touched anywhere they don't want to be touched. Are you into touching children in private places too?
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  781.  @TheAArmstrong  You ask permission or you go to jail. Monsters like you need to live in cages.
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  782. Dustbin of history? We live at a time when the upcoming president of the US failed in a coup to take control of the US after he lost the last election.
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  783. Only MAGA think that. Friends and allies of the US around the world think the US is sliding into the gutter.
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  784.  @6thi874  "Up until not long ago, the UK controlled 33% of the Earths landmass, including America. GB has always been Great. Being shackled to the Continent was the biggest mistake we ever made." - Every single country we "ruled" over kicked us out. The only reason we had an Empire like that is because we were lucky about where key technological discoveries were made. It could have been someone else but it was us. And we we RUBBISH at managing the Empire. In fact we pi55ed the whole thing away and it is never coming back. No amount of "British Supremacy", general arrogance and stiff upper lippedness is going to make it happen. Joining with the continent was the only thing keeping us relevant and when we leave the EU we will be swallowed up by the US for exactly that reason. Britain was great until it decided to shoot itself in the head with this Brexit win for the Americans at the expense of the British people.
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  785. ​ Ross Rain  Politically the US is a horrible country and they will exploit the UK the same way they always have done. We founded the US colonies. We fought their wars at our expense. We provided protection from invaders and infrastructure at our expense. When we came to ask for taxes to pay for it all you kicked us out. We got nothing in return. Then, when we had wars of our own, you came to our aid only when forced to. Every thing you gave us to fight our war came with a price tag and we had to pay back every cent. Britain is just a desperate, easy to exploit, business opportunity for the US. Britain will Make America Great Again but it will be at our expense. Nothing great will happen for Britain through it.
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  786.  ADOLF SHITLER  "So you would rather be ruled by Germany?" - You really have been brainwashed. The EU is a COUNCIL of governments. The only reason Germany and France take the lead is because British governments don't want to get too involved. They just let the French and Germans do all the work. More stupid them. Britain is a major influence in the EU and it could easily be more if it stopped dicking around acting all superior and joined in proactively rather than fighting against everything. I hate to say it but the EU is better off without us. I just hope they don't come to that conclusion themselves.
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  787. @Smokeango Why don't you just listen to the experts? https://www.oxfordeconomics.com/recent-releases/8747673d-3b26-439b-9693-0e250df6dbba "The average UK-based migrant from Europe contributed approximately £2,300 more to UK public finances in 2016/17 than the average UK adult. " "The average European migrant arriving in the UK in 2016 will contribute £78,000 more than they take out in public services and benefits over their time spent in the UK (assuming a balanced national budget), and the average non-European migrant will make a positive net contribution of £28,000 while living here. By comparison, the average UK citizen’s net lifetime contribution in this scenario is zero." "Taken together, this means that the migrants who arrived in 2016 will make a total net positive contribution of £26.9 billion to the UK’s public finances over the entirety of their stay. The value of this to the UK’s public finances is equivalent to putting approximately 5p on income tax rates (across all marginal rate bands) in that year."
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  788.  @999DaveUK  "Under the stewardship of the EU, the UK has lost almost all of its manufacturing base" . Apparently not. Manufacturing has been doing just fine in the EU until Brexit happened. Recent declines are due to Asian competition. Something the EU has been shielding us from. Brexit will likely make manufacturing much harder being in more direct competition with Asia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_in_the_United_Kingdom#Recent_trends "Although the manufacturing sector's share of both employment and the UK's GDP has steadily fallen since the 1960s, data from the OECD shows that manufacturing output in terms of both production and value has steadily increased since 1945. A 2009 report from PricewaterhouseCoopers, citing data from the UK Office for National Statistics, stated that manufacturing output (gross value added at 2007 prices) has increased in 35 of the 50 years between 1958 and 2007, and output in 2007 was at record levels, approximately double that in 1958"
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  789. @Smokeango Germany gives nearly as much money to NATO as the UK. UK: $55,237 million GER: $45,472 million https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Fniallmccarthy%2Ffiles%2F2018%2F07%2F20180710_NATO_Expenditure-3.jpg
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  790. @Smokeango LOL. "experts don't know how to add stuff up", "experts lie". That's what you tell yourself? Classic.
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  791. @Smokeango You said Germany was not spending anything and in actual fact their contribution is just over 80% of what we pay. No point in quibbling over the subjectives with that kind of discrepancy.
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  792. @Ardy P Nobody said they didn't. But some people refuse to acknowledge that black lives matter which makes them rac-ist.
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  793.  @tomcooney2842  "they refuse to believe that black lives matter unless its at the hands of a white cop" - Stop telling racist lies.
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  794.  @Bungle-UK  Trump does not like the UK. Trump only like Trump. Nothing else.
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  795.  @Bungle-UK  No it isn't. The Tory press have been pushing this nonsense for decades. You need to stop believing their propaganda.
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  796.  @Noora-x2n  They're not.
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  797. As long as she doesn't being home an uneducated, bigoted racist.
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  798.  @EinkOLED  There is plenty of money and industry in the EU.
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  799.  @Dave-hu5hr  Well you don't seem to be doing a very good job of kicking me out of the EU so there is that.
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  800.  @jeanhenly710  "they lied about its ability to transmit from human to human" - I already answered this elsewhere, here is the link. Trump sacked the US scientists who were working in China who would have reported this when it happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G_ltaWhdMY&lc=UgyD1w7Z4XhnAM3UexV4AaABAg.96xpPAbtsAF96xrH45UhXU
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  801. Nope. They are gangsters.
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  802.  @KS-kn9tn  "we can drop the back off" - We can have them sent back but only until January 2021 when the Withdrawal Agreement ends. Then they are all ours.
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  803.  @KS-kn9tn  "they are legally citizens of other countries trying to come in illegally we can still deport them" - If they are claiming asylum then they are not coming in illegally. We can deport them only if their claim for asylum fails. Before Brexit even asylum seekers would have to claim asylum in the first EU country they arrive in. So even asylum seekers we could have sent back to France, Italy, Spain, etc... After January 2021 we have no way to send those ones back to the EU countries they came from.
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  804.  @KS-kn9tn  "they have to claim asylum before they get here" - No, you are not allowed to claim asylum until after you arrive in the country. You are thinking about immigration.
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  805.  pinkie perky  "China told the world the virus mainly effected the elderly with little effect to younger people" - China told us that young people could still be carriers and infect others. So we knew everything we needed to know. Young and old contract the disease but mostly only old people die. This idea that young people don't catch the disease or become infectious was not from China but more likely right wing down-playing virus deniers.
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  806.  pinkie perky  "Italy's figures only became apparent around a month ago" - And the UK only went into lock-down 6 days ago - 3 weeks too late.
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  807.  pinkie perky  "We are ahead of Italy and Spain in terms of emergency hospital capacity and increasing intensive care capacity." - Where did you get this information from? I think it is unlikely after 10 years of Tories crippling the NHS reducing the number of beds and staff. The waiting list for operations in the UK, for example, is extremely long.
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  808.  pinkie perky  "If you put a lockdown into place to early you could need to keep it in place for a very long time doing even more damage" - This is nonsense. The earlier you lock down the less pressure on the NHS the more people survive.
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  809.  pinkie perky  All you are doing is providing more proof that we should have locked dowen WEEKS before we did. We all watched what was happening in Italy weeks ago. We all heard the Italian doctors telling the world to lock down NOW - weeks ago and we all watched in horror while our British government IGNORED Italian doctors, ignored the WHO and did nothing except ask people to wash their hands. None of your BS "fact and figures" is going to change what we all remember happening and when it happened. EVERYONE was calling for the British government to lock down WEEKS ago.
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  810.  pinkie perky  "thats because of your political bias and the bias youve seen from your trusted media sources" - That is such BS. WHat I wrote was based on what Italian doctors were telling world wide news sources weeks ago. Your entire speech is a massive twisted rewriting of history. The last 10 years has been Tories stripping the NHS in ALL departments because they hate the NHS. It is a SOCIALIST institution and they want to sell it off to the private sector.
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  811.  pinkie perky  "Ventilators have been designed for fast mass production and put into production by major UK firms" - That is not true at all. Many UK firms that make ventilators have been waiting for orders from the government and received NOTHING. Meanwhile the government gives a massive Ventilator contract to Dyson - a company that doesn't even make Ventilators - simply because Dyson is a big Brexit supporter and Tory donor.
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  812. "In many ways the UK is ahead of the curve." - Not is any single way are we ahead of the curve. The government are even hiding the death rate from us by insisting that they wait until relatives have been informed before adding the tally to the death count. Why do they need to inform relatives before counting a body? They are deliberately delaying the death figures by several days which (because of the 3 day doubling) makes the death rate appear to be half its actual value on any given day.
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  813.  pinkie perky  "look up increaes in numbers of front line staff compared to managment and admin during Labours time in office" - At the end of Labours time in office the ratio of managers to staff in the NHS was 3.7% while in the nation as a whole the ratio was 15.4%. So Labour DID NOT put too many managers in the NHS. You have been reading Tory propaganda. In 2010 the Tories announced they would make management cuts in the NHS at a time when the size of NHS management was VERY LOW. There was literally nothing to cut. It was a SMOKE SCREEN to cut actual services. https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/health-and-social-care-bill/mythbusters/nhs-managers
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  814.  pinkie perky  This article proves that the Tories actually INCREASED the number of managers over the last ten years. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-43794816
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  815. Under the Tories the ratio of managers to front line staff increased https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/1052E/production/_100926866_chart-nhs_staff_index_120418-on5ia-nc.png You have been lied to.
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  816.  pinkie perky  "Im not going to search out the info for you ..." - Now we know why, because your info is false.
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  817.  pinkie perky  "Do you feel the nhs was undermanaged to a degree we should sacrifice numbers of front line staff before labours time in office? " - That doesn't make sense. Labour INCREASED front line staff massively and carried a management ratio of 3.7% which is probably a great level. When the Tories got in they CUT both management AND front-line staff. But they cut front-line staff more than management leading to an INCREASE in manager to staff ratio.
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  818.  pinkie perky  "Dyson with 24 hours notice along with many other companies were asked to produce a simple ventilator that could be massed produced easily with easily availble materials." - The Government had better options https://twitter.com/SoniaAdesara/status/1243189481450229761
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  819. Why does this matter? In a few weeks Musk will be in charge... er... I mean Musk and Trump will be in charge of (in order of importance) Twitter, the US Supreme Court, the US Presidency, the House of Representatives and the Senate. No need to make deals when you control literally everything.
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  820. China is not the enemy. The Chinese government may be. But the way to handle the Chinese government is not through escalating madness that was started by Donald Trump's incompetence. We need to deescalate and go back to solving our differences through trade and diplomecy.
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  821. @John Oslavic "the feds are gone" - I never said they weren't. In fact this Channel 4 report says they are leaving. Probably because the House of Representatives are cracking down on Trump's illegal, unconstitutional Secret Police that are causing riots as part of Trump's reelection campaign.
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  822.  @bushwhacked7112  "3 times more w hites are killed by American police" - Are you only counting INNOCENT people there? Besides 80% of Americans are white so proportionally more black people are killed. But again we are not counting armed robbers carrying guns here.
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  823.  @jameswhiteley6843  White Americans were 76.9% in 2017.
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  824.  @benbow7  Here is the government census website for population estimates for 2019. Whites alone, 76.5% https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045219
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  825.  @jameswhiteley6843  Only WHITE Hispanics are classed as white.
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  826. Everyone says that.
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  827.  @mikerobb8838  Because of Brexit and 12 years of Tories leeching all the wealth out of the public services and stuffing it into their mates' pockets.
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  828. This is what you get when you elect a Narcissistic Sociopath with the mental age of a five year old into High Office.
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  829. May probably just wants to try to get Corbin to share the blame when she steers us into a no-deal exit. The country will not easily forgive any government that gives them a no-deal Brexit even if they currently think they want it.
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  830. A deal with the US will damage British steel industry and a deal with China will damage British steel industry. Brexit was always going to damage British steel.
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  831.  @davidramishvili9696  "why is my son obligated to pay inheritance tax?" - Because you said it yourself when you said *"house is under my name"*. You should put the house under your son's name or under both of your names.
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  832.  @TasteBudTreasures-hq2nw  No. Income is money that "comes in".
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  833. Lockdowns were "forced" by all the people who refused to wear masks and/or respect social distancing. If the disease didn't keep getting out of control because of those people, we could have avoided all the lockdowns and saved the economy.
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  834.  @CandyMan2001  They can't possibly do worse than 14 years of the Tories.
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  835.  @longlivetheboleyn1917  "they can and it already shows." - It can't possibly already be showing in so few months as we are still digging ourselves out of the hole the Tories dug us into. The effects of the previous government continue for at least a year into any new government no matter who gets into power.
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  836. The EU has said many times they will not be negotiating another deal and rightly so. Our country negotiated a deal and it is our problem if we don't accept our own deal.
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  837.  @chicotthejester9341  The Great Barrington Declaration LITERALLY acknowledges the FACT there is a global pandemic. It simply offers a different approach to dealing with it. So if you agree with the Great Barrington Declaration does that mean you suddenly agree there is a global pandemic?
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  838.  @chicotthejester9341  "You do know what the death rate from this is right?" - Estimations would suggest if the US had done nothing to protect itself the death toll would be about 1.5 million.
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  839. None of the experts are guessing any positive potential. So nothing positive to report. Even the Brexit Party members admit that the economy will be damaged by no-deal Brexit.
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  840.  @johnsmith-7oo  So businesses that want to be able to make low quality goods will benefit. Wonderful. Brexit just keeps on giving. Just nothing anyone wants.
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  841. So what is it about Starmer's Labour that makes them Tories? Is it their plan to re-Nationlalise british energy? Is it their support of the ICC and international law while the Tories have been running rip-shod all over international law since Brexit? It is their commitment to return workers rights taken away by the Tories? What is it that makes Labour Tory?
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  842.  @shanepatrick641  Reform Party = Nazi Party
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  843. @CBA CBA Single person, no children, average salary: Germany - 40% tax, UK - 25% tax. Couple, two children: Germany - 21%, UK - 25%. Germans pay a lot more tax than we do. But they have a better-funded health service, better welfare system, better transport systems, a better standard of living ... Don't buy into the Tory spin about "Trickle Down Economics", it is a lie devised to feed the rich at the expense of everyone else.
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  844. And if the UK is directly or indirectly responsible for the situations they are running from?
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  845. @Amanda Hughes "Since when has Eritrea been in the Middle East?" - You think Britain has clean hands over Eritrea? Quote: "Scarred by decades of conflict and occupation, the craggy African nation of Eritrea has weathered the world's longest-running guerrilla war. The dogged determination that secured victory against Ethiopia, its giant neighbor, is woven into the national psyche, the product of cynical foreign interventions. Fascist Italy wanted Eritrea as the springboard for a new, racially pure Roman empire; Britain sold off its industry for scrap; the United States needed a base for its state-of-the-art spy station; and the Soviet Union used it as a pawn in a proxy war." https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/i-didnt-do-it-for-you-michela-wrong/1111397783
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  846. You need to stop avoiding tax. People like to vote for low taxes and then complain that the government is in debt. Making taxes low boosts the economy but you save nothing because you end up in debt and paying back more than you borrowed.
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  847. Tories underfunded the police for 14 years and they also underfunded the courts system and allowed prison overcrowding. Now people know the courts are reluctant to give prison sentences and when they do early release is common. Knife Crime is a TORY problem, plain and simple. Just like eveything else that doesn't work in this country.
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  848.  @krob2327  "would labour help low skilled workers not just mass import?" - I don't know what Labour would do. But current Tory policy can't avoid forcing British people into low skilled jobs and that means they can cut training and education. Tory immigration policy means that better trained and educated and paid they are then the more likely they'll meet the immigration criteria. Someone has to pick fruit and empty bins and deliver parcels etc... As far as so-called "mass immigration" goers with Labour - the Tories seem to do as much immigration as Labour. The Tories say they will be hard on immigration but they never are when you see the numbers. The reason being, Capitalism requires growth and most growth comes from population increase. The British population has been moving into stagnation for decades and we are going to have serious problems paying pensions when we have a decreasing number of young people entering the work force. IMO any government will continue to have moderate immigration regardless of what they say.
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  849.  @oafpolitics179  You have just fallen for the tripe this government are using as an excuse to usurp power and to move towards making the Prime Minister more of a President. There was no partisanship in the Supreme Court ruling. Did you even read the ruling? It contained many previous cases where the government had tried to usurp the sovereignty of Parliament. They had CASE HISTORY to uphold. They had no choice but to follow constitutionally established law. And this is the very FOUNDATION of democracy - called the "separation of powers". It is vital in any democracy that the legislative/executive and the judiciary be independent. It is there to stop the government breaking constitutional law and installing a dictatorship. This is why the US is in such bad democratic shape now - because their independence of judiciary is practically non-existent.
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  850. So to avoid a border inside Ireland they have put a border in the Irish Sea, but they don't want to actually check any goods passing through the Irish Sea border, effectively making it not a border at all. So Boris doesn't want ANY border - he just wants a free flow of good between Europe mainland and Great Britain. WHY WOULD THE EU AGREE TO THAT? And why would the UK want that? THIS IS NUTS. It is all rhetoric. Boris knows we need proper border checks. BREXIT did this and Brexit is a disaster, but rather than admit that Brexit is total and utter stupidity, the UK government are finding ways of blaming the catastrophe that is Brexit on the EU. PATHETIC.
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  851.  @snowyowel7961  "name one person from UK who as a top job in the EU" - Every member of the European Council is a member head of state so 1) Boris Johnson has a top job in the EU. The European Commission is made up of official appointments from the heads of state - ratified by the European Parliament. So 2) Julian King has a top job in the EU on behalf of the British Government. 3) Every single British MEP has a top job in the EU elected directly by the British public.
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  852.  @snowyowel7961  Cameron lied. He had no right to make those false claims. Referendums are only advisory, Parliament is Sovereign and he should have said so. Sorry you were lied to.
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  853.  @pauldrysdale7615  "I VOTED TO LEAVE THE EU IN ITS ENTIRETY, NO TIES AT ALL" - Funny. The Leave Campaign said we would leave the EU but retain access to the Single Market through a very easy to make deal. We were not voting to leave without access to the Single Market. If the leave campaign had campaigned for leaving without any ties whatsoever, they would have lost by a landslide.
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  854.  @joewood5647  "how can the EU take us to EU court............. if we are a sovereign independent country?" - Sovereign Independent countries take each other to court all the time. If being taken to court meant you were not sovereign then NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD would be "sovereign". At the level of sovereign nations "going to court" is not the same as internal courts of sovereign nations. This is INTERNATIONAL LAW and it works differently to sovereign national law. You have been lied to about how international law works to manipulate you. International law works by agreements in the international community. They can sue us because we AGREED that they could sue us. And if we refuse to comply with the court action there is nothing they can do about it because we are a sovereign nation. We only obey INTERNATIONAL LAW because we choose to obey it. Why do we choose to obey it? REPUTATION. Other countries will stop trusting the UK if don't stick to our agreements. THAT is the basis of international law - the need to have friends in the world. The need to avoid making enemies.
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  855. We need to differentiate between Chinese people and its current government. It was the UK first who mercilessly brutalized the Chinese people. We British made ourselves rich by selling illegal drugs to the Chinese people. When the Chinese government tried to stop the British ships from bringing in the drugs, the British navy went to war with China and forced them to allow our merchant ships supplying drugs to the Chinese population. It was the British Empire that helped to create the environment in China that allowed a desperate ideology like Communism to take root.
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  856. I want to see the maths because both the farmers and the government can not be right about who this affects and it is objectively possible to have a definitive answer to that question. Maths is maths. Why doesn't Channel 4 News do the maths and tell us who's right here?
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  857.  @MrDesmondPot  Well, I presume the figures were calculated by experts in the Civil Service and the government is unlikely to be wrong. Buy this isn't something the audience should be left wondering about when there is a definitive answer.
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  858. If we come out of the EU then we have NOTHING to negotiate with. We give up ALL our bargaining power because we will be desperate and we will be FORCED to accept any crappy deal Trump gives us. Including feeding the NHS to US Insurance companies.
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  859. #JoinTheSingleMarket 2024
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  860.  fried spaghetti  The Brexit campaign was only about "keeping 300,000 Eastern European’s out of Britain" to get votes. They never really intended to stop migration or even immigration. They just told the public whatever they thought the public would vote for. Brexit is just a pack of lies from start to finish to get the UK to vote itself out of the EU so it could be sold off to Big American Business interests.
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  861.  @carlthor91  "Oil price is governed by the traders," - Unless the government intervenes.
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  862.  @Jouantiese  Never give in to terrorists or you just make them worse. Giving in to Trump is not an option.
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  863.  @TheAArmstrong  You need locking up before you do some real damage.
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  864.  @TheAArmstrong  You have posted your supposed paedophile history in other places too. I have reported them as "child abuse" because even though you are obviously trolling, no normal person advocated child abuse in this way. So even if you think you are joking, you are betraying an underlying disturbing weirdness that you may want to get checked before you hurt someone.
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  865. Lee Anderson admits DOZENS of Tory MPs are racists. Nothing new, but they usually don't admit it publicly.
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  866.  @TimComley  How am I not calm? You seem to be the one a bit panicky.
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  867.  @pboo2607  There are already plans to allow American firms to run hospitals under the NHS umbrella that compete with actual NHS hospitals. I bet most of these 40 hospitals are going to be built by American money for American healthcare companies.
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  868.  @pboo2607  Take a look https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/let-american-firms-run-hospitals-urges-free-trade-group-5rxxd9tb8
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  869.  @dvidclapperton  Yes they do, but that's has nothing to do wit my comment.
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  870. Mostly because elections are decided by just a relatively small number of constituencies. So, unless you pander to those people, you haven't got a chance.
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  871. A core problem in the UK is that voters do not want to pay tax but still complain when the NHS collapses and schools fall down. Governments are in a race to the bottom in promising tax cuts that we can't afford and we end up where we are now when nothing works. The Tories are the really guilty party here as they constantly promote the idea that tax is unnecessary because money magics itself into existance if they give their rich friends massive tax cuts.
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  872.  @Josh-oy7zp  56 now
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  873. Trump is a bona fide Narcissistic Sociopath. Textbook case.
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  874. We can have food security back any time we like if we rejoin the EU Single Market. The EU can feed itself and then some. But the UK will never be able to feed itself. We will always rely on imports unless we rejoin the EU.
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  875.  @dogblackprincehoney  "EU bargained for AstraZeneka 3 euro while poor Tailand 5 euro per dose" - Are you blaming AstraZenica for charging Tailand too much? I don't get the point you are making.
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  876.  @dogblackprincehoney  "How can you say UK has done nothing?" - I never said the UK did nothing. I said the UK has not exported a single vaccine to another country while the EU has sent over 45,000,000 vaccines all over the world. That's just facts.
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  877. Breaking News: Keep wearing the tin foil hat because the commies can read brainwaves.
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  878. @UC8C00lBgRW3vTU6P8wVc1qw On the EU side there are 27 nations and none of them want an open border into their trading zone. It's a no-brainer. Of course they can't compromise the integrity of the common market. Britain would never agree to it if the shoe was on the other foot.
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  879.  @normabaggindale2027  Why are brexiteers so nasty? It seems to be a theme.
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  880.  @ThaSlappyWappy  Just like the US, a lot of people think the good guys are the bad guys and vice versa. The Tories under Boris Johnson were exactly like Trump. Many of them have moved to Reform and Reform are all exactly like Trump. Starmer is refreshing after we got rid of the Trump Brigade under Boris. But Trump's right hand man in Europe, Mr Farage is still at large hoping to take over and all the Tory press ishelping him.
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  881. The far-right won't save us. They are the cause of so much of this.
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  882. @Amanda Hughes "The EU has been unable to get it's accounts audited and signed off for over 20 years." - Not so, The EU has been fully auditing its accounts for over a decade: https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/
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  883.  Phil Earl  "How come, they are allowed now to trade with South America all over a sudden" - It's not "all of a sudden". They have been negotiating this deal for 20 years.
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  884. @Amanda Hughes "Jean Monnet (1952) One of the founding fathers of the EU and know Nazi sympathiser and callaborator." - This is utter rubbish. Far fetched Brexit propaganda that no one takes seriously. Monnet's plan was to keep Germany economically depressed after WW2 by diverting its wealth into France (by means of reparation). Of course Germany had a plan to unite France and Germany (duh - they invaded France to make it part of Germany) but that was nothing to do with Monnet.
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  885. The conference has an "upbeat" feel to it because the Conservatives have realized they can do no wrong. They have the country on its knees, are blatantly taxing the poor to feed the rich, have openly stuffed billions of tax money into their friends' pockets while delivering one of the highest Covid death rates in Europe and still are top of the polls. No wonder they're happy.
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  886.  @angiegriffiths8873  "The attorney General said that they could hold us in the EU indefinitely" - The backstop didn't keep us in the EU, it kept us in the Customs Union. We would still leave the EU. The fact is the "backstop" was clever because instead of giving a date to leave the CU it gave a set of conditions to leave. So the very day the UK figured out how to leave the CU without causing a war in Northern Ireland the backstop would have evaporated. It was a very sensible option. All the Brexiteer MPs needed to do was vote for it and it would have gone through. If you can't get your Brexiteer politicians to leave the EU why do you expect anyone else to? We all knew leaving would have a cost to protect the economy and prevent a war in Northern Ireland. You need to ask yourself why are Brexiteer MPs so keen to get out of the Single Market immediately without waiting even though they know it will cause violence in Ireland and irreparable damage to the British economy. The fact is the backstop would not have lasted more than 5 or 6 years for a virtual certainty.
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  887.  @angiegriffiths8873  The EU is not holding us hostage. We made the peace agreement in Ireland. The EU can not let British politicians blackmail them into delivering the impossible because of a treaty they WE made with Ireland and that will affect US if WE break it. The violence in Ireland WILL reappear if WE leave the Customs Union which is OUR decision. It is an unfortunate fact of British history that is OUR responsibility to deal with, no one else's.
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  888.  @angiegriffiths8873  "you must have a crystal ball to be so sure about everything" - Politicians know for a near certainty that Northern Ireland will reunite with (Southern) Ireland naturally in about 5 or 6 years. The reason? The number of Catholic voters will definitely outnumber the number of Protestant voters at that time. It is that simple. The day that happens Northern Ireland will leave the UK and unite with Ireland rendering the "backstop" obsolete and (under May's deal) Britain would leave the Customs Union automatically without anyone returning to violence. So we can be very confident the backstop would never last more than 5 or 6 years.
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  889.  ML8593wy  It is an objective fact. We now have a much worse deal than EU membership.
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  890.  @handsoffmygunmf6750  That is complete nonsense. The protest was peaceful until the police started firing tear gas and rubber bullets at the peaceful protesters. Also the man who started damaging building was not a protester and was identified by his ex-wife as being a cop. He is a white guy using professional gear and the protesters tried to stop him. The riots and building burning was started by cops trying to protect their colleague from a murder charge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERhMCeLr1bg
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  891.  @handsoffmygunmf6750  Here is the cop who started the attack on Autozone https://twitter.com/DemocracyInn/status/1266295877510893576
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  892.  @handsoffmygunmf6750  I am saying the police turned the protest into a riot and the police started wrecking buildings. THEY STARTED IT. Of course other people joined in just like the police knew they would. TRUMP made the US the way it is now by making White Supremacists feel empowered to attack and provoke black people. When you attack and provoke people for long enough then eventually they break. But the POLICE made that happen. They murdered a black man on camera. They radicalized the protest by firing tear gas and rubber bullets at them and THEY started attacking buildings. When the cop is breaking the windows of Autozone you can hear the other cops start shooting rubber bullets at the protesters in the background. It was deliberately enginered to kick off a riot.
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  893.  @donnapevey4672  When did anyone ask you to apologize? Do you have a guilty conscience?
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  894.  JustinBieber  "Yeah 3 days is pretty damn fast moron" - In the UK if a person kneels on someone's neck until they die, they are arrested ON THE SPOT. British police do not allow people to walk free for several days after they just killed someone. If 3 days is "pretty damn fast" then I hate to think what it's like on a slow day.
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  895. No. We should have nothing to do with Trump. He uses trade deals to blackmail countries into obeying his whims. We do MUCH more trade with the EU than with the US.
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  896.  @daftwod  Their official video make it clear you are lying. They want to take about 5% (FIVE PERCENT) away from the police to spend on community programs PROVEN to reduce crime like housing, education, mental health etc... https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-defunding-the-police-really-means/
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  897. Yet the Brexit Party that is gaining a lot of popularity right now consists of exactly the same proven liar MPs. Worse, because they are so right wing they are even more Tory than the Tory party. They are just trading off the public's disappointment and desire for something better and more trustworthy and yet they are delivering just more lies.
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  898.  Leigh Parr  One of the main reasons the Ultra Tories want Brexit is so that they can deregulate Banking which will make it even worse. They can't do that while we are in the EU. When they say they hate having to follow EU rules this is what they mean. The banks have to be nicer to people then they want to be. Brexit is a Tory dream and it works for Big Business whatever they are telling you. A vote for Brexit is a vote to let Banks do what they like.
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  899.  @colinwarner7762  Most Torys want Brexit. The "fat cats" that are lining their own pockets are the exact same people who are behind Brexit. They hate Europe because it is more "socialist" then Britain and it is forcing them to treat lower "classes" better than Tory's like. They want to get rid of the social charter, workers rights, they want to deregulate business etc... etc... Brexit is exactly what you just said we need to get away from. Even the UN just put out a report saying the Tory Party were abusing people and spreading poverty. The "Brexit Party" is all the most Tory Tories. The right of the right. This is what is so crazy to me. People complain about "fat cats" but the Brexit Party is full of the fattest cats.
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  900.  @colinwarner7762  In our democracy it is the government's decision whether we leave the EU or not based on the referendum result (which was questionable at best). The government has discovered that leaving the EU fully is impossible without most likely tearing the UK apart . If a government promises to deliver something that it can't deliver then democracy says we can vote in a different government next time.
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  901. Well he is useless because he is not in power and can't do anything. But the Tories who ARE in power are stictly in favour of Israel murdering women and children for revenge. Starmer does well to hold his cards close to his chest until after the election and he has real power to act.
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  902.    Completely irrelevant. No one forced the Tories to starve the NHS of money. They did it because they represent the rich who can afford private if they need to so they don't care about the NHS. Labour has NOTHING to so with that.
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  903.  @CabbageBloke  "S. Korea has the 4th best health care system in the world and Italy one of the best i Europe, and they're at breaking point." - Exactly my point. Even if the NHS was up to scratch it would be in trouble. But because the Tories have starved it for 10 years it will be SO MUCH WORSE. Blatantly obvious logic. If good health systems like Italy have it bad how much worse the NHS because of Tory governments crippling it.
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  904.  Teresa Watts  "It won't be the UK starting any troubles ..." - The UK will be breaking the peace treaty it signed with Ireland. You may be able to sleep well at night when you see on the news that innocent people are blown to pieces when they are out doing their shopping, knowing that you voted to break the peace treaty. But, fortunately, the majority of MP's could not and will keep voting against it.
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  905. Migrants are not causing stress on the NHS or the welfare system nor are they creating the housing problem. Tories are. Immigrants pay more taxes and collect fewer benefits than native Brits do. So they actuall prop up the NHS and welfare system. But Tories don't want to build enough houses to inflate the housing market. They deliberately underfund and privatize the NHS because they want to get rid of it and the same with the welfare system in general.
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  906.  @shanepatrick641  Reform Party = Nazi Party
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  907. Typical clueless Brexiteer at the end spouting baseless tabloid "theories" and the same old "they need us more than we need them" idea which is rooted in bad maths that ignores the fact that the EU is economically 4 times larger than the UK.
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  908. A typical non-apology. He only apologized for the fact a lot of people feel his statement was unacceptable. He is clearly not sorry about the contents of the statement itself.
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  909.  @byteme9718  "Why should be be." - I never said he "should" be (apologetic). I said he wasn't. Which says something about him as a person. Some people are just nasty and filled with hatred.
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  910.  @byteme9718  "That doesn't mean others can't say what they want." - INCLUDING ME and everyone else. Which is exactly what is happening here. Some people are just hateful and nasty and Jeremy Clarkson has exposed himself as such.
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  911.  @byteme9718  "Clarkson was just being Clarkson and that's why so many people like him." - Clarkson certainly did NOT build his career on vilifying women and suggesting acts of violence against them. If he had done more of that earlier on in life he would never have gotten so popular.
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  912.  @byteme9718  "At what point did he suggest any act of violence?" - If you don't consider being dragged through the streets naked while people throw excrement on you an act of violence, then there really is no hope for this country.
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  913.  @byteme9718  "Did you actually read his comment" - Why would you think I hadn't read it?
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  914.  @byteme9718  "Then you will know he suggested nothing." - Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest? - look it up.
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  915.  @plainenglish1774  Great Britain is the EU, in cooperation with other nations. The EU is not some separate entity that Brexiteers have been brainwashed to believe. WE are a POWERFUL MEMBER of the EU with a LOT of influence. We are a big part of the process of deciding which laws we should mutually agree on. We have not lost our sovereignty we have used our sovereign right to make MUTUALLY AGREED trading laws to facilitate trade, making it cheaper and easier. After Brexit WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME THING with outside countries. When we make a deal with the USA we will have to CHANGE some of OUR LAWS to facilitate that trade deal. However in the EU we get a big say in what laws get made. With the US we will be forced to roll over and do everything they tell us to. If you think we "lose sovereignty" to the EU, then according to your false reasoning we will be losing sovereignty every time we make a trade deal outside the EU. In fact every time Britain makes any kind of international agreement we would be "losing sovereignty" according to your squiffy "logic".
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  916.  @blackphilip8936  If you want more jobs, better pay and more housing and better education then stop voting Tories and revoke Brexit.
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  917.  @chrislambert1617  The European Union is what the entire union want it to be. Some want it to be more federal some do not. It would only move in that direction if everyone wants it. And we, the people get to vote on it because we, the people, vote for the European Parliament which has executive power. So Europe is in our hands. Unless we throw that voting power away with Brexit.
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  918.  @gambrydew2059  The cause is all of Europe. No one thinks Putin will stop at Ukraine if he is allowed to have it free of charge.
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  919.  @recoveringsoul755  The two are not mutually exclusive. In the US you have a Democratic Republic. But the way things are going with Trump and unrestrained capitalism in general, you are drifting into an Oligarchic Republic.
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  920. So she knew there would be economic disaster before the referendum and she still supported Brexit. None of her arguments disagree with what he is saying about the economic effects of Brexit. Why are Brexiteers like this? Why do they want to leave the EU knowing full well that it will make people unemployed, increase poverty and reduce industry? Do they hate people of foreign origin that much that they can't even bear to cooperate with them over international interests for our mutual benefit? I don't get what drives them. It makes no sense whatsoever.
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  921. He thinks supporting the Nazis makes you a hero. Is that far right enough for you?
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  922. Trump simply can't lead. He is incapable of leading. All he can do is shout, insult and threaten people. This is not leadership.
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  923.  @lesigh1749  Yes. He is a self serving hypocrite. Just like Boris. But I think he secretly wants no-deal as long as he can blame it on someone else. At every step of the way he has sabotaged efforts to prevent no-deal and resisted his own party's desire to offer a public vote.
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  924.  @lesigh1749  "No deal IS Brexit. All the talk of a deal being required or we cant possible exit has been edited on after the fact." - False. We were told many times that we would be leaving with a deal and that there was no way we would leave without a deal. That is what we voted for. The whole "no-deal" business was added on after the referendum. https://twitter.com/ofocbrexit/status/1125912034414137347
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  925.  @lesigh1749  "he had three opportunities to vote for what he KNOWS is the EUs preferred and only deal available and he voted against it, so if he wants to leave with a deal he has a funny way of going about it." - Exactly. He has consistently voted in a way that supports no-deal. He is self serving. He saw an opportunity to demolish the Conservative party and took it. He doesn't care about Britain he only cares about his personal ambition. He is just like the Brexiteers Boris and Farage et al.
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  926.  @lesigh1749  "You were also told many times that we would leave with or without a deal" - Nobody heard that. I know Farage has falsely claimed he said that during the leave campaign but its just lies. There is no footage of him anywhere campaigning on that pretext. The campaign was about what was stated LOUD AND CLEAR. Not what was vaguely mumbled in a back room padded with soundproofing.
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  927. No. Far right = hate foreigners, willing to take extreme even illegal measures to get rid of them.
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  928. Total and utter hypocrite.
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  929. How trustworthy were the Tories? They lied and cheated their way through everything.
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  930.  @toni25681  No one has a right to just kiss someone on the lips without permission. That's not hating men, that is hating perverts.
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  931.  @kethughes8266  "we were lied to when we voted to remain in the EEC" - This is not true. I have seen photos of the original campaign leaflets from 1975 and they make it very clear that, over time, Britain will lose some of its ability to determine laws that govern trade. It was a key feature of both the leave and remain campaigns of that time. This idea we thought we were only joining a trading block is nonsense. The electorate were fully informed. MUCH better information than today on BOTH sides.
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  932.  @kethughes8266  We were told that the EEC would change over time and that each government would have a veto over those changes. This was true. Obviously the EU did not exist then but the EEC as an evolving entity was accurately described to the people. And, frankly, the ONLY difference between the EEC and the EU is the addition of DEMOCRACY which gives us, the people, a MUCH bigger say in what our governments do in Europe. On the one hand the Brexiteers complain that the EU is undemocratic (and yet it is not) but on the other hand they claim they only wanted the undemocratic part - the EEC. Clearly Brexiteers just argue contrary simply to be contrary. There is no real argument against an international cooperation of European governments with a large dose of democracy that give the PEOPLE of Europe a bigger say in its future direction.
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  933.  @kethughes8266  "free movement of people" - Our beloved Brexit Government only pretended that "free movement of people" was a bad thing to get people to vote for Brexit. They don't actually want to stop it. We need migrant workers and we also need immigrants. So much so that Boris is not going to stop immigration and he recently tried to negotiate "free movement of people" with Australia. Did Boris call a referendum before trying to get "freedom of movement of people" in a trade deal with Australia? Of course not. BTW Australia turned us down for a trade deal.
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  934.  @kethughes8266  Freedom of movement of people was giving us doctors and nurses and also jobs from Europeans who set up businesses in Britain. You seem to forget that Europeans who live in England are business owners too and are creating jobs as well as taking jobs. Having more people simply means a bigger-economy. More business owners and more jobs and also more workers and more tax payers. Britain needs those extra tax payers because we don't have the money to pay our pensions. This is why ending freedom of movement of people will mean we will have to increase immigration. That means bringing in more people from Commonwealth countries. This is probably why Boris wanted freedom of movement of people with Australia.
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  935. The economy was always going to get worse before recovering from the Tories/Brexit/Covid/War. Labour would have been better letting the Tories win so the Tories would get the blame for what the Tories did.
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  936.  @paulap2377  That is just plain nonsense. And I think you know that. The UK was the most influential member of the EU as we often held the balance of power between France and Germany. We even built the Single Market, but hey, don't let facts get in the way of all that propaganda in the Daily Express.
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  937.  @paulap2377  But this is not a matter of opinion. This is a matter of recorded fact. Margaret Thatcher built the Single Market. If that is not major influence then nothing is.
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  938.  Cymro 65  If I was to guess I would think that by then the UK will have re-aligned with the EU (a comprehensive FTA if not yet a member) and the UK will have moved back closer together while retaining their sovereignty - made possible by all being in the same Customs Union with the EU (much like Ireland/Northern Ireland today).
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  939.  @michaelhudson7345  "Marxism was used as the tinder to light that fire." - No. What Stalin did was nothing to do with Marxism. He could have usurped ANY revolution. You could argue that "democracy" is responsible for countless wars and millions of murders using that false logic.
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  940.  @michaelhudson7345  "The point is that Marxism was and still is the idea used to justify the behaviour of some extreme agendas" - The same is true of Republicanism/Democracy etc.. (French revolution?? Two English Civil wars?) According to you no one is allowed to philosophize about how the world could be made more fair and just because some NUTCASE might murder a million people in your name. How absurd to police peopleś thoughts and ideas in that way. That is a very totalitarian idea to suppress thoughts and ideas about how things might be done differently.
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  941.  @michaelhudson7345  How many countries has the US destroyed by either destabilizing their governments or outright bombing them to the ground in order to "convert" them to a capitalistic democracy? The only reason Iran is controlled by religious nutters today is because Britain and the US destabilized their very "moderate" government because they wanted to restore their access to Iranian oil.... (nice win for Capitalism there)
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  942.  @michaelhudson7345  BTW I am not in any way shape or form a Marxist. Just someone who would never accuse someone of mass murder just because they wanted to make the world more fair and just.
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  943.  @GwladYrHaf  "can you tell me specifically what religion do they follow" - You mean as opposed to the "religious nutters" who reigned terror, murder in the religious wars we generally call "The Crusades"? Because the religion is irrelevant. The relevant part is the "nutter".
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  944.  @michaelhudson7345  "Surely it is right to question the ideas of those that would willingly allow mass murder in order to make the world a 'better place'? " - Of course it is. But Karl Marx is not one of those people. Karl Marx theory was that DEMOCRACY would do the work of cultivating change.
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  945.  @michaelhudson7345  "If you, like all the rest of us, want to make the world 'more fair and just' then set yourself against all ideology." - So you want us to give up on "democracy"? Or "Capitalism"? Or "Republicanism" or...? Soooo many have died in pursuit of those idologies. Or is it only the ideologies that you personally don't like that you want to censure?
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  946.  @michaelhudson7345  "most people (adults) form a strong belief that will not be shaken. Even when faced with indisputable truth they cannot change. I think that is wrong" - Then maybe consider applying iit to yourself?
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  947.  @michaelhudson7345  "my comments on here are not tied to any given idea or belief" - Neither are mine. I made it very clear in a previous post that I am not in any way, shape or form a "Marxist". Now you call yourself a "free thinker" yet you seem to be all about rejecting entire ideologies out of hand, not based on logic or reason or having even read them but based on whether or not someone nutter killed people in their name. Yet EVERY ideology has had people murder and kill in its name. For example "Democracy" and "Federalism" and "Republicanism" the list is endless.
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  948.  @michaelhudson7345  Oh yes, the ultimate argument - tell people how amazingly clever you are and that if you could only have been bothered you would have been able to refute my position. Well if you say you are extremely clever then I guess it must be true. Because you said it. And you're clever therefore you should know how clever you are.
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  949. @Bilal Khalid Unless you work for a living in which case Brexit = Eternal Austerity . And the privatization of the NHS.
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  950. @Bilal Khalid "Stop listening to lying leftist propaganda." - Is that what you were told? I don't listen to any "propaganda" because I am smart enough to figure out for myself what "no-deal" Brexit will do. It seems to me "no-dealers" just put Blind Faith in the hope that Farage and Boris have not lied about the so-called benefits of "no-deal". But there is only one thing that makes sense for a "no-deal" exit and that is to sell the UK wholesale off to the USA in a comprehensive trade deal with Trump. This would be VERY bad for workers (the US system is sooo much harsher for working people - eternal Austerity). In fact that was Johnson's aim from the beginning - take the UK out of the EU in order to sell it off to the US. There is more money in Healthcare then there is in Oil in the US. And Boris has told his election candidates to avoid making promises to protect the NHS in any future trade deals.... The intention is clearly to PRIVATISE the NHS allowing US companies to bid for its services. Brexit = Privatization for the NHS, removing workers rights, deregulating Big Business, Tax havens for the very rich... Nothing good for working people in that.
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  951. @Bilal Khalid "You're telling me the 5th largest economy in the will completely collapse because we leave the EU???" - I never said anything if the kind. Of course not. But WORKING people will be earning LESS money and have FEWER jobs/ Workers rights will be taken away giving us less holiday/sickness/maternity etc... And the NHS will be PRIVATISED. Why vote to have less money, fewer rights, a terrible health system and generally be in a worse financial position?
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  952. @Bilal Khalid "PLEASE READ CAREFULLY." - What you are posting is pure right-wing propaganda and lies. The EU want to be rid of us. Parliament would pass a deal but Brexiteers want everything their own way which is not possible when Parliament and the country it represents are divided. Brexiteers need to COMPROMISE to get a deal through Parliament. That's all. Stop swallowing Boris Johnson's lies. He's only in it for the rich.
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  953.  @theheadhonchoxo37  "Don’t blame all Americans. " - No one is doing that but the fact is more than 50% of you support Trump. Something isn't working over there.
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  954.  @Cornish_Co  " It's working perfectly." - The fact that you voted an incompetent, narcissistic sociopath into office says different.
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  955.  @UserPending  By winning the safest election in the US history? The votes were counted THREE times. They were even counted BY HAND proving the voting machines were accurate. 50 judges have rejected Trump's lies and BS, including 20 Republican judges appointed by Trump himself. No election in the history of the US has been so thoroughly checked for fraud and none was found. Trump has proven himself to be a pathological liar and a fraud. It is clear to everyone sane that Trump is trying to lie his way back into the White House by duping the not so bright people in America.
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  956.  @UserPending  "the same voting machines that I keep reading about?" - Just because a lot of people are writing the same LIES about the voting machines it doesn't make those lies any less lies. There is zero evidence of any connection between Dominion voting machines and the machines used in Venezuela. None. Don't forget the votes have been counted BY HAND. Counting BY HAND proves the machines were accurate. Wake up. Don't be conned or duped.
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  957.  @UserPending  "see how badly you people fucked over our country" - Not my country. I'm British. If you want a civil war just because Trump is a lying narcissistic sociopath who tricked you, then go for it. I'm just delivering FACTS. Instead of believing dodgy websites and faked reports, I would rather believe the hundreds of officials including many, many REPUBLICANS who have checked the results of the election BY HAND over and over again. No fraud. Voting machines are accurate. Trump lost.
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  958.  @UserPending  "You're a bigger fool than I first thought..." - You are the one who thinks more than 50 judges, both republican & democrat and dozens of election officials, both republican & democrat all conspired together to throw the election and there is NO EVIDENCE of it whatsoever. On the other hand Donald Trump is a proven pathological liar and you decide to believe him!!! I am not the fool here.
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  959.  @southerncrescentproductions  America is a democracy. Republics can (and usually are) democracies. Those terms are not mutually exclusive.
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  960.  @southerncrescentproductions  Quote: "A constitutional republic is a state where the chief executive and representatives are democratically elected by the people, and the rules are set down in a written constitution." https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic
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  961. Not mad. Narcissistic Sociopath.
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  962. This is disgusting. Why do people keep voting these monsters into government?
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  963. And the loss of freedom of movement and the increase in trading costs with our largest customer.
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  964. Stay away from May Knee Yack Trump and work towards rejoining the EU.
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  965. So nothing to do with NATO putting missiles and military bases closer and closer to Moscow? NATO is totally innocent in this mess right? Really?
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  966. He's not a Free Speech Absolutist, he's a 14-year-old boy in a man's body.
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  967.  theraconteur1  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/10529134/Girls-really-do-mature-quicker-than-boys-scientists-find.html "Girls really do mature quicker than boys, scientists find"
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  968. ​ @edge845  "that's a feminist POS - Much like you I suspect" - Swearing at people and insulting them doesn't make you strong. It makes you weak and ignorant. Why are you so scared of feminists?
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  969. I doubt it. We now have a common enemy with Trump.
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  970.  @lucasfernandez888  The EU do not put heavy tariffs on the US. The EU and the US have cooperated over their tariff schedules to favour each other. Tariffs between the EU and US are about 2% IIRC.
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  971.  @CoolMusicToMyEars  Getting "WHATEVER they want" now is FAR TOO LATE. The Consrvatives have depleted the NHS so much it is IMPOSSIBLE to reverse all the damage done over the last 10 years before this virus strikes. And it is not "any" government. Specifically the Conservatives under-fund the NHS like no other because they don't even want an NHS. Conservatives believe in Private Medicine and that's it. If they could get rid of the NHS they would. They may even use the affect this virus will have on the NHS as an excuse to argue we need to convert it to private funding.
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  972.  @CoolMusicToMyEars  This is the Conservatives - "the health service has faced the most prolonged funding squeeze in its history over the last decade. This has led to trade-offs between different areas of health expenditure; spending on buildings, equipment, staff training and prevention have been deprioritised in order to pay for the day-to-day running of services. This is a false economy and stores up problems for the future." https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/positions/nhs-funding?gclid=CjwKCAjwsMzzBRACEiwAx4lLGwY0GaodOgewjzzLkfM4KSftL9JfMXE3MoM1s2PzpwAoxtmRiCGtVhoCgpUQAvD_BwE
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  973.  @CoolMusicToMyEars  Here. The last Labour government are the huge increase between the mid 90's and the early 00's https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/chart/nhs-spending-as-a-percentage-of-gdp-1950-2020 The Labour party brought the NHS back from the dead and then the last decade the Conservatives have been eroding it again. Compare against a list of British governments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_governments
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  974.  @CoolMusicToMyEars  "Its good that you support the conservative party" - Making up lies about me will not change the fact that the Conservatives have crippled the NHS like they always do because Conservatives hate the very idea of an NHS. They see it as being "socialist" (which, of course, it is).
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  975.  @CoolMusicToMyEars  You are still spreading lies about me which is typical of Brexit supporters. The government is still paying the EU fee. That won't stop until we leave the Single Market (if we ever do). So far this government has not given the NHS a single penny. Thought it has PROMISED a lot. We will have to wait and see if it actually does and what lies and excuses it comes up with when it pretends it funded the NHS properly but didn't.
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  976.  @CoolMusicToMyEars  "we might have still been in Europe when so many want to leave Europe " - More people voted for remain parties in the general election than leave parties. Most British people do NOT want to leave and have not since the day after the referendum.
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  977.  @CoolMusicToMyEars  "I don't believe labour party could have done any better" - They certainly would have been better even though, in my opinion, they are a DISASTER of a party. Labour today is truly awful. But still much better than the Tories ever will be.
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  978.  @Kfader1210  Their geographic locality makes them monopolizable and therefore those that have oil can hold the rest of the world to ransom. They poison the planet-destroying wildlife. They create global warming. There is literally NOTHING good about fossil fuels.
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  979. This won't change anything. Trump's supporters know he's a liar and a crook. They don't care.
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  980.  @janskacel9480  But Trump was asked about the NHS because all the leaders of the Brexit movement think the NHS should be privatized. Farage wants to give the NHS to American Insurance companies. So the press want to know if Trump would be interested in that. Looks like he would.
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  981. @Russian Troll so Im told It took us 3 years to secure those. That is very very worrying. Clearly we are not going to make the 40 we need leaving us very very short.
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  982.  @sleahcim4723  The NHS is not meant to make a profit. BUT if you remove free access to the NHS for everyone and force them to pay £400/month to a private company regardless if they get sick or not then a private company could make a LOT of money through the former NHS. That is the point. They want to scrap the free healthcare funded by taxes and replace it with expensive healthcare paid for by private insurance schemes. That's how it works in the US.
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  983.  @KLM738XO  That's not what Trump said and that is not what a lot of Brexit politicians think either.
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  984.  Blanca Gil Nieves  There is a saying "beggars can't be choosers". By leaving the EU before making new deals we put ourselves in a desperate place and the US knows it and will take advantage of our absolute need to make a deal.
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  985. @Russian Troll so Im told Within the EU we trade for free. Under WTO rules we have to pay tariffs. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41859691 Trading with the rest of the world is turning out not to be as easy as some claimed: https://www.ft.com/content/e93b7abc-ddc7-11e8-8f50-cbae5495d92b Also the WTO members seem to be a little upset with Britain and the EU right now so that will complicate matters further. "The U.S. and China demanded the EU provide a mechanism for "appropriate compensation" to ensure its split with the U.K. doesn’t leave them worse off after Brexit" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-12/u-s-china-10-other-countries-seek-brexit-assurances-at-wto via @markets
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  986.  @geoffhorgan6253  "Only Germans are allowed to marry Germans" - This is not remotely true. I have just been reading the German government website.
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  987. The markets only ever just want to make money.
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  988.  @1ForTheShieldz  Liz did have a plan and her plan was loco. She was literally playing roulette with the British economy. She literally said this herself when she said the deficit in the budget would be paid by future growth. Of course "future growth" is guesswork and a total gamble. This is what spooked the markets. It wasn't that Liz didn't have a plan it was that her plan was completely barmy.
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  989.  @vhawk1951kl  Recorded by the Parliamentary voting records for the last ... checks notes ... three hundred years.
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  990.  @vhawk1951kl  Asked and answered above.
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  991. It's not a peace deal. The US is telling Ukraine to surrender and to give Trump all their minerals or else they'll let Russia take the entire country.
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  992. Boris Johnson "We're not going to engage in some sort of race to the bottom.". However Boris is a confirmed liar and if we are not going to engage in a "race to the bottom" then why won't we put that in writing with a "level playing field"? The ONLY reason to reject a "level playing field" is to "race to the bottom" by lowering standards, removing workers rights and allowing large scale tax evasion for the very rich.
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  993. Please, no one tell MAGA that Elon Must is an immigrant!!!!
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  994. The EU started threatening Elon Musk with sanctions MONTHS ago. We need to do the same and more. IMMEDIATE heavy fines EVERY DAY until he starts fulfilling his current legal obligations to respond to reports of racism and spreading hatred etc....
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  995. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/tory-austerity-deaths-study-report-people-die-social-care-government-policy-a8057306.html
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  996.  Leroy Jenkins  It has nothing to do with Labour. Austerity was to offset the damage caused by irresponsible banking practices that caused the world monetary systems to collapse. Tories decided to make poor people pay for the mistakes of the very rich. But that's what Tories do.
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  997.  Leroy Jenkins  "Whether the banks were right or wrong is an entirely separate discussion" - No it is not. It is entirely a bank created problem. It doesn't matter which "party" did what to "enable" the banks, poor people should not be expected to pay for the bad business practices of the very rich. That is just disgusting and immoral. And that is how Tories roll.
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  998.  @swashknuckler  "Nobody voted for what? Problems?" - No. I mean no one voted for no-deal. The leave campaign was adamant that we would have continued access to the Single Market. That's what we voted for - a better deal.
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  999. They don't always put the economy first. Brexit was an act of absolute sabotage on our economy.
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  1000. Let's hope so. Social Media needs to be controlled. For example, people should not be able to spout lies and disinformation that cause real harm, and they should not be able to instigate insurrection against the state. They should not be able to teach people how to make bombs, and they should not be able to plan terrorist attacks or even incite people to commit acts of terror.
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  1001.  @pickleonions4277  Keep wearing the tin foil hat so the aliens can't find you.
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  1002. It's just that the Nationalists never realized that they were controlled by the billionaires. However, now Elon Must pulled back the curtain on himself.
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  1003.  @toekneekerching9543  "I bet you are one of those people who thinks real communism has never been tried arnt you..." - Where did this come from? Are we lurching into Fascism because people are being manipulated with horror stories of Communism? No one will EVER vote for Communism in Europe. Stop worrying about Communism, it is NEVER going to happen.
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  1004. Corruption in the US delayed Trump's criminal indictments for his attempted coup. Now he will pardon himself and all his co-conspirators. With the re-inauguration of Trump, the corruption of the US will be complete.
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  1005.  @cyberfunk3793  "Those people are protesting against migration, not just a certain religion" - They are protesting about both.
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  1006.  @Burzum-Gûl  "Disgusting" - I care about all chindren equally. I am not the disgusting one. And besides that, brown children in the UK are of my own country. The UK. Not everyone in the UK is white.
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  1007. @M R "article 16, which would have then blocked our most at risk getting vaccines." - Not possible. The vaccines are manufactured in the UK. The EU has no control over their production or distribution.
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  1008. Britain made it difficult for ex-pats. Given that most ex-pats voted for Brexit, they made it difficult for themselves.
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  1009.  @acegarcia3719  "they wanted to overthrow the 2016 vote " - Nobody in Parliament wanted to overthrow the referendum vote. The ONLY thing they wanted was to avoid NO-DEAL. And every single opposition party had put in its manifesto that it would reject NO-DEAL so it was the public that voted against no-deal.
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  1010.  @acegarcia3719  "you had the Labour party, Lib Dems, SNP, and some exTories open to a people's vote" - So you are saying the British Public were going to overthrow Brexit?
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  1011.  @acegarcia3719  "Boris couldn't get a general election though without that deal brought forward" - yes, the Tories LIED to win the election because they knew the British Public would never vote for a no-deal Brexit which is the only alternative to the NI protocol. Tories only win elections with lies. The same way they won the Brexit vote. And BTW only 43% of voters even voted Tory so most voters didn't want Brexit to go through the way the Tories were doing it.
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  1012. The anti-lockdown protesters clearly want more lockdowns because spreading the disease is what causes lockdown. Rights do not extend to the right to deliberately harm others and the anti-lockdown protesters are deliberately harming others. They should be locked up.
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  1013. Police officers damaging their own patrol car to blame it on the peaceful protesters: https://twitter.com/DanielNewman/status/1267349383282073601
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  1014.  K MT  "Why do you think they are leaving France to come to Britain?" - Maybe they don't want to be in the EU?
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  1015.  @simonrodgers2375  We are only likely to get a deal with the US if we get a deal with the EU first. The US has been VERY clear that if the UK risks the GFA then we can't get a US deal and a no-deal exit with the EU may well do just that if the Internal Market Bill goes ahead. And even if it doesn't Brexit is going to be quite damaging for Ireland without a proper deal with the EU. Cummings was going to tear up the GFA and falsely blame the EU for it but the US won't be fooled by that now. Trump would have been happy with that plan but Biden certainly won't.
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  1016.  @simonrodgers2375  Well I am going by what the President Elect has openly and clearly stated. The US loves Ireland, not the UK. They are deeply invested in the GFA as they were an intimate part of the process of securing it.
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  1017.  @saxglend9439  "we need a dictatorship" - But a really nice one.
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  1018. @Salterino Kripperino If you hate democracy that much.
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  1019.  @RomanHistoryFan476AD  Specifically what is so bad about it?
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  1020.  Silverclod 141  "The only thing that’s been tried is remainers trying to stop Brexit." - Actually it is Brexiteers that have been voting against Brexit. May would have taken us out of the EU months ago if Brexiteers had not voted against it.
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  1021.  Kevin Feeney  "brexit is very possible if traitorous idiots like you and the other remainer fuckwits in parliament stop trying to block it at every turn" The Brexiteers in Parliament are the ones who have been blocking it. May could have taken us out of the EU in March if it wasn't for Brexiteers voting it down.
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  1022.  Kevin Feeney  Specifically what makes it a "surrender treaty" in your opinion?
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  1023.  @RomanHistoryFan476AD  These are rules about accessing the Common Market. Of course there is no negotiating room on those. The EU has to protect the integrity of the common market. No one could have gotten better terms. What on earth do you think Britain has to bargain with? Nigel Farage said Britain would have access to the common market after Brexit. If he lead you to believe that would not cost us anything then he mislead you. Like I said, what was promised by Brexit was never deliverable in its entirety.
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  1024.  Silverclod 141  Brexiteers claimed we would have access to the common market without having to follow common market rules. That was false. The Brexit referendum simply asked if we want to leave the EU. There for THAT is what we voted for - to leave the EU with access to the common market. What Brexiteers promised was never deliverable. But what May's deal did was give voters what they voted for - leave the EU but remain in the CU for access to the common market. Nothing else is possible except no-deal but no one voted for no-deal.
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  1025.  Silverclod 141  Do you know that Britain does not have "free movement" even now? We don't need Brexit for that we already opted out. Who we let in our borders has ALWAYS been our choice. Otherwise I don't think anything you said is true to be honest. Japan just gained access to the common market. But it spent years before hand aligning its trading laws and standards to conform to those of the EU. Yes, anyone can access the common market if they make a deal with the EU. But the EU only accepts countries that agree to various restrictions.
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  1026. It was the Brexiteers in Parliament that sabotaged the referendum result by voting against leaving with a deal. Now we have to deal with the fallout of the Brexiteers voting not to leave.
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  1027. @biglongun Thankfully Keir Starmer fixed the broken system that let people like Jimmy Saville get off and he put more pedos away than ever before.
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  1028.  @sterlingforever4913  Gina Miller did not "campaigned to get parliament to have the final say" she simply argue that Parliament DOES have the final say and that Teresa May was breaking the law and subverting democracy by ignoring Parliament. It was the Conservative government that acted treasonously by trying to ignore the democratic rights of Parliament.
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  1029.  @sterlingforever4913  There are no deals to negotiate with EU countries. We can not have a free-trade agreement with the EU without (to all intents and purposes) being in the customs union. because that is what the CU is for - to facilitate free-trade among EU countries. Brexiteers promised free-trade with the EU after Brexit and the EU consistently said that was not possible. It is still not possible for exactly the same reasons. If we want the benefits of the CU then we have to be in the CU. Expecting otherwise is naive and the Brexitees pushing that possibility are being dishonest to the public to secure their votes.
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  1030. @AYE OK SURE And yet the laws that define British democracy completely agree with me. So what you are calling "drivel" is actually British Democracy. If you don't like the fact that Parliament decides if we stay or go regardless of the referendum then you don't like British democracy.
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  1031.  @vedicpagan8852  "ERASING HISTORY DUMMY thats 1984 erasing language and words THATS 1984" - No one is doing any of that here. Pretending they are is ridiculous.
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  1032.  @vedicpagan8852  "duh erasing history AND MONUMENTS IS SAME FUKING THING" - Don't be daft. The monuments are being moved into museums. And, regardless, their deeds are recorded in museums and government records. The "history" has not been erased in the slightest. In fact a LOT more people will know about their history because moving the statues is a historic event in itself which ADDS to their history.
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  1033. @MGazT What is your point? You said nothing that disagrees with what I said.
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  1034. There is ZERO evidence of cheating. None. Biden won by such wide margins that it is statistically impossible for any credible amount of supposed cheating to have changed the results.
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  1035. The British Public basically think the economy can recover from Tories, Brexit, Covid and War instantly and only gave Labout 2 weeks to fix everything. Now they are disappointed because magic isn't real. Moreover both the far-left and the far-right are attacking Labour. Labour has 2 main political enemies, the right-wing press and the left-wing press.
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  1036. It takes so long in the US that a man who attempted a coup because he lost the election is running again before his trial. And if he gets voted in, he can then just pardon himself and everyone who helped him.
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  1037.  @cindyhargett510  Look, it may be that Trump only encourages White Supremacists because he wants their vote the same way he pretends to care about the Bible and the Church because he wants their votes too. Trump is a narcissistic sociopath with zero allegiance to anyone but himself and his own personal gain. But the fact is that ANYONE who supports and encourages White Supremacists is a White Supremacist regardless of what they have been "seen" to have done in the past.
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  1038.  @EdwardThatch-ee7yx  You are agreeing with me. All those offenses are encouraging violence. Those people should go to jail.
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  1039.  @NeuronIron  If Trump and Putin were "God fearing men" they would obey the rules of the Bible. But they don't. Putin is a mas murderer. Trump is a liar and a fornicator and a crook. Putin and Trump have nothing whatsoever to do with God.
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  1040.  @EdwardThatch-ee7yx  "often under laws relating to hate speech, misinformation, or public order" - Exactly. It had nothing to do with having "different opinions" and everything to do with inciting violence during a riot.
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  1041. ​ @xdgamesCoUk  And if there is no bread, they should eat cake I suppose?
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  1042. The Brexiteers forever divided the UK. They broke this country good and proper.
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  1043. No, you can't. If you come here illegally you can not claim welfare or you will get deported.
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  1044. No, you can't. If you are caught having arrived illegally you are deported.
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  1045. Undo Brexit. How can we expect growth and investment when we cut ourselves out of the huge market on our doorstep and made trade with our biggest customer, more complex and more expensive?
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  1046. The world looks on as the UK shoots itself in the foot and then proceeds to break both of its legs. For its next trick it will cut off its arms. Eventually it will claim that Brexit would have worked if only ... blame shift ... blame shift ... blah blah blah Empire blah blah blah stiff upper lip blah blah blah. Brexit was never going to work.
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  1047.  @vinlondon8904  No, it doesn't. There is a lot more to Marxism than wanting to fix inequality.
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  1048.  @frankieseward8667  "This us how Marxism becomes so popular." - I always say the best way to Communism is through uncontrolled Capitalism. Which is why Capitalism should be tempered and controlled with a little Socialism. To prevent Communism.
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  1049. @Russian Troll so Im told Brussels doesn't dictate anything to us. We are a large part of Brussels and what gets decided there is in large part decided by us in cooperation with the countries of Europe. We have about 30% influence there. With the US we will have about 0% of the power. Also the EU aims for high standards of food quality, basic minimum wages, workers rights, equality, environmental protection etc.... all the things that the US is against because they are too expensive for large businesses.
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  1050. @Torqumedia More than 60% of our trade is within the EU so it is not possible that we are more reliant on the US than the EU. However my point is we should be aiming for LESS trade with the US and MORE trade withing the EU, not the other way round. https://fullfact.org/europe/does-most-uk-trade-happen-outside-eu-and-trade-agreements/
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  1051. @Russian Troll so Im told No. False. First we don't export anything to the EU itself but to EU countries (free of charge) at 44%. But you are forgetting an additional 20% we export to other countries BASED ON EU TRADING TERMS. We can not continue those after Brexit. We must negotiate new terms or pay tariffs on it. So about 60+% of our exports go to EU countries or to countries through a EU trading deal. ALL of which will change after Brexit. Our economy has already SHRUNK between 1.5-2.5% and we have not even left yet. And why do you think anything from the US boost will come to us? The only reason the US is looking good now is because it gave major tax cuts to the filthy rich. It deregulated big businesses so that they can trash the environment (which make their business cheaper). It is also being ruthless in its trade dealings with other countries (like Mexico). You know Trumps slogan right? "AMERICA FIRST". If we make a deal with the US, it will get even richer because we will get poorer. We will help pay for the next economy boost for the US.
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  1052. Brexit doesn't really exist. It can't actually be implemented because of our prior commitments in Ireland. Our options are stay in the EU fully and have a BIG say in how the EU develops or stay in the EU a little bit and have NO say in what they do. Either way we will be beholden to the EU. Now we will have the worst of remain and the worst of leave and NONE of the benefits of either. Better for Britain if Brexit never happened.
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  1053. Republicans are pure evil.
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  1054. The NHS was crippled by Conservatives long before this virus struck. Italy has much better and more modern hospitals. If it is terrible in Italy it is going to be so much more terrible here. And it is the Conservative's fault because they hate the NHS - just like they hate any form of nationalization.
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  1055.  @Jdizzlegrizzle  Let me guess. You don't want to hurt them because they have brown faces, you want to hurt them because they didn't think twice?
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  1056.  @Jdizzlegrizzle  You make silly assumptions about my opinion of Rwanda, rendering your opinion irrelevant.
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  1057. Denying climate change is the political play. Ice caps don't melt for political reasons.
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  1058. IMO BOE was right. We have to accept we are all a lot poorer and stop chasing higher wages which is pushing up prices. Brexit made food more expensive. Russia made energy more expensive. Now we have to accept there is less stuff to go round. We are all poorer.
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  1059. We voted to keep foreigners out of Britain, we got what we voted for. We were warned.
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  1060.  @MyVinnyp  "Other states close their borders to stop the spread of the virus while the EU takes them to court because they believe trade comes before human lives." - This is lies and nonsense. Schengen member states are allowed to close their borders. No one is taking anyone to court over that. Quote: "The reintroduction of border control is a prerogative of the Member States. The Commission may issue an opinion regarding the necessity of the measure and its proportionality but cannot veto a Member State’s decision to reintroduce border control." https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/schengen/reintroduction-border-control
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  1061.  @MyVinnyp  "Of course the EU completely messed up their vaccine procurement plan .." - The EU didn't mess it up. The BRITISH Company AstraZeneca messed it up.
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  1062.  @MyVinnyp  "The EU; run by idiots for idiots and supported by idiots." - You seem to forget the UK death rate from Coronavirus is the highest in Europe because of the gross incompetence of the UK response, making the same mistakes over and over again. And we have yet to see if our vaccine strategy works out best in the long run. We are still mostly only providing half-dose vaccines. The EU is ahead of the UK on full dose uptake.
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  1063.  @mogznwaz  "You do realise that other countries just trade with the EU without being IN the EU don't you?" - Of course they do. And it is much more difficult and expensive for them compared to how it is for members. As our farmers are finding out. We built our economy on very cheap and very fast trade, and then we voted to make that same trade slower and more expensive. Suddenly we have to compete with the rest of the world just to trade with our next-door neighbours whereas before the rest of the world was at a disadvantage compared to us.
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  1064.  @mogznwaz  "What happened to being green, sustainable, organic and local? " - THAT is why we should rejoin the EU, to be green and local.
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  1065.  @mogznwaz  "farms got sold to property developers and all that was left are the 'globalists', the big industrial farms serving the massive supermarket chains" - In case you didn't notice, the world is under increasing pressure just to keep feeding itself. That's a fact. I want farms to be green but I also want them t be efficient. Low cost food is the greatest way to increase wealth across the whole nation.
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  1066.  @mogznwaz  "Low cost, mass produced food is what is harming our environment so much" - No. It just happens to be those types of farmers don't care about the environment, so they harm it. You can be efficient AND green, but you have to legislate for green practices. Yes it will be more expensive, but there is no reason why you can't still benefit from scales of production (keeping costs lower) and stay green.
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  1067.  @mogznwaz  Frankly all Brexit is giving us is the smaller farms can no longer compete, and they will end up selling out to the big farms. The Single Market helps small businesses by giving them an international market without the costs of international trade. That has gone now and only large farms will be able to mediate the international costs over large enough volumes to remain profitable.
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  1068.  @timpietersen481  That's not what was written on the voting form. The voting form said leave the EU. No mention of the Customs Union. The EU and the Customs Union are different treaties.
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  1069.  @johnathanpearson3203  "how does the UK trade with China" - Currently through the EU trade deal.
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  1070.  @johnathanpearson3203  "You have trusted partners" - Trust is built upon agreements and agreements are signed pieces of paper.... deals. Britain's current deal with the EU requires that it does not allow unregulated goods to pass through an open border into EU territory from a third nation. With both the UK and Ireland in the EU that is easy. When we leave the EU we become a third nation. Hence the problem .
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  1071.  @johnathanpearson3203  "We trade with China on WTO" - Then we trade with China through a hard border.
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  1072.  @johnathanpearson3203  "What's your opinion on the ONS saying EU immigration has been recorded at levels lower than the real numbers." - Did you personally count them? I love immigration. I enjoy living in a multicultural country. Besides, immigration is vital to the British economy.
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  1073.  @johnathanpearson3203  A middle way for what? So far I don't see a problem. Funding is a very very simple problem to solve. Tax the very rich to feed the poor a bit better than they do now.
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  1074.  @johnathanpearson3203  "you seem to support uncontrollable immigration open borders regardless of the impact on public services" - The fact is immigration pays for public services. The fact is immigrants pay more taxes, commit less crime and claim fewer benefits than their native English counterparts. They are a net plus to the economy. So much so that without immigrants we would not be able to pay pensions to the elderly because British people simply don't have enough children. So we need immigration and it is what is paying for much of the public services we receive. I would prefer to tax the rich more and have better public services because the rich take their money where they want regardless. Tory policies of giving tax cuts to the rich hoping they would reinvest it proved to be a total fail.
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  1075.  @johnathanpearson3203  "Perhaps you are an elite. Who does not need to save pennies to buy a house. With uncontrollable immigration driving up prices ever higher." - No, immigration doesn't drive prices higher. Lack of housing drives prices higher. The government should build more houses.
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  1076.  @johnathanpearson3203  "Corbyn talks a good talk. Remember when he says he will nationalise the trains? And water? Lol. You cannot do that under the EU. " - Personally I don't have an interest in how the trans are run but it seems that a lot of people think that EU law does not prevent nationalization. Regardless, the EU is democratic, problems can be solved if people want to solve them hard enough.
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  1077.  @johnathanpearson3203  "We voted to leave in 2016. To leave the EU, CU and SM" - No we didn't. The referendum form only mentioned the EU. No mention of CU and SM. The leave campaign said over and over we would retain access to the SM. No one voted for no-deal.
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  1078.  @johnathanpearson3203  "The rich won't pay it because they control Westminster. It will be your tax that will pay it. It will be the working poor who will pay it." - The rich do have control over Westminster through money. But legally the voters control Westminster. If people want better public funding all they have to do is stop voting rich Tory leeches into government.
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  1079.  @johnathanpearson3203  "You seem to be very extreemist stating that you see no middle ground?" - Actually I see myself as a very middle ground kind of person. I accept that society needs to be two tiered (rich & poor). I hate British politics because Tory only supports the rich and Labour only support the poor. But the problem with socialism is you can't just make everyone rich because that would instantly make everyone poor. Look at communism. You need a social "gap" between rich and poor to induce social mobility - the desire to better your lot through work. But the Tories idea is market forces will solve all the problems and economics will find their natural balance. It turns out that the "natural balance" is where rich squeeze the absolute maximum out of the poor leaving them at the very brink of desperation - and eventually revolution. British left/right swings have so-far prevented revolution. But what you really need to do is set social limits. Agree a true minimum acceptable STANDARD OF LIVING that no one should live below and work from there. The rich can only squeeze so far and the tax system will provide a natural re-balancing if the rich try to take too much wealth out of the system
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  1080.  @johnathanpearson3203  "It's already been said by both labour and Tories that UK house prices have been increased by uncontrollable migration" - But basic economics is not wrong either. More houses means cheaper prices. More people only increases prices when housing remains unchanged to accommodate. And regardless we still need immigration . House prices are a red herring. We NEED immigration. The only alternative to immigration is people having more babies. But do you know what more babies do? They push up the price of housing!. The fact is we need more young tax payers to pay our bills and if we have more children or if we take in immigrants the result is the same. If we do not build extra houses the prices will go up.
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  1081. Its not about whether you can smoke it. It is about whether or not you can sell it. And, if you think about it, smoking is horribly addictive. It SHOULD be illegal to sell horribly addictive drugs that force people to spend their money rather than go through the weeks of mental torture that the addiction imposes on them when they go into withdrawal.
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  1082.  @yvonnerout7319  "do tell us how it will be policed its impossible" - I agree it should simply be a flat ban. They should set a date one year in the future and offer grants to help people give up the addiction and then ban ALL nicotine based products.
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  1083. What is outrageous is that people can inherit millions without doing a days work or paying a penny in tax for their entire lives.
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  1084.  @paulbarker6743  "Europe is doing worse" - The UK is Europe. Leaving the EU made most of our trade more expensive. That is one reason our economy is so bad.
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  1085.  @Anymonkeyme  "so your telling me they only voted for those parties because ..." - I am telling you that more people were happier with what "second-referendum" parties were offering than what Brexiteers were offering. Simple as that.
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  1086.  @Anymonkeyme  "i think he means this" - That was 2 years before Boris made his deal and has zero affect on the currently ratified WA that Boris and all the Tory MPs voted in favor of and had the Queen pass into international law.
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  1087.  @schenwig  When you say "the EU lost the argument" what really happened is the EU had a negotiating position but was willing to compromise and did compromise. I see nothing unusual about that. By your own admission the EU has compromised and given ground to the UK time and time again. Hardly the actions of an "arrogant" negotiator. As regarding favourability, no other nation has been offered so much in terms of market access as the UK is demanding from the EU - so of course the terms will be different for THAT level of access.
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  1088.  @schenwig  "the whole purpose of an FTA is to allow free market access " - That's is just tariffs. The UK is asking for way more than just zero tariffs. We are physical neighbors and so we share a bunch of stuff remote territories do not.
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  1089.  @schenwig  T"he EU made stupid demands like access to UK territorial waters " - So? What is wrong with this? Boris Johnson already agreed to manage those waters jointly with the EU in his Political Declaration. All the EU is asking is that Boris sticks to what he already promised. Those waters have historically been fished by all the sea facing countries of Europe for hundreds of years.
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  1090.  @schenwig  "the EU started by asking for regulatory alignment to subject the UK under the ECJ jurisdjction. Such arrogance!" - Why? The ECJ is the natural and obvious court to decide matters of Single Market rules - being that it is THE Single Market court. There is no reason to use a different court and it is unreasonable to expect to. We SHOULD want the court that is most expert in EU law making those decisions and the ECJ is also unbiased because the rulings it makes affects the ENTIRE Single Market. Any judgement it makes against the UK (for example) would subsequently apply to EVERY EU country. If they were biased against the UK then they would be shooting themselves in the foot too. That makes it the perfect court. Remember the EU is not 1 entity it is 27 sovereign states. It is not the UK against the EU it is ALL the countries in the Single Market balanced against each other. The ECJ must be fair and responsible.
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  1091.  @schenwig  " If you know of any demands the UK has made, then cite them here." - The UK is asking for identical access it used to enjoy as a full member which is ridiculous and the epitome of hubris. The EU is asking one of two things. EITHER we pay some tariffs OR we give them other things like regulatory alignment. Seems fair given that they MUST protect their Single Market.
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  1092.  @schenwig  "All what the UK has demanded is, treat us in the same way you have treated Canada ..." - That is not true. The EU - Canada deal is a TARIFF deal which took years to negotiate. The EU is definitely willing to negotiate a TARIFF deal for the UK. But the ridiculous thing here is that the UK has no right to expect the same deal given to another country when the UK is not that country. The UK is geographically different from Canada and the UK has a WAY different level of economic penetration than Canada and the UK trades much different produce than does Canada. To expect to be treated like Canada is just BANANAS. And even then, the UK doesn't want a Canada deal it wants a so-called "Canada Plus Plus" deal.
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  1093.  @schenwig  "so according to you the UNnited Nations Convention on the law of the Sea (UNCLOS) 1982 is irrelevant because it prescribes provides for 200 nautical nules as territorial waters whereas these countries have been fishing for more thN 100 years?" - Nope not according to me. I never said that was irrelevant. You seem to be ignorant about how trading works. Both sides have valueble things to the other side so they NEGOTIATE what they want in return for what the other side wants. It is called making a deal. The EU wants rights to access British waters because they have fished those waters for hundreds of years and therefore much of their culture is bound up in that trade EVEN THOUGH it is insignificant to their economy. The UK wants access to the Single Market. Both sides want things from each other. See how this trade thing works now? Asking for stuff is not "arrogant" it is the very nature of trade deals. And by your own admission the EU has been willing to compromise where the UK has never compromised a single thing.
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  1094.  @schenwig  "Do you realise how stupid it sounds to say the UK is asking for market access in a Free Trade Agreement that is all about free market access? " - NO FTA in the world gives both countries UNLIMITED access to everything. That is absurd. An FTA is an agreement to make trade AS FREE AS POSSIBLE given the various needs of the participating countries. So, for example, the EU's FTA with Canada? Contains TARIFFS on SOME items. So it makes perfect sense to negotiate the level of market access in ANY FTA. The UK is asking for full market access that has not been granted to ANY other non-member and is not willing to give anything in return in terms of fishing and fair competition. The EU consider that an unreasonable request, as do I. Why would the UK expect the same level of access a member gets when the UK is not willing to take on the same responsibilities that member countries do? THAT is the height of unreasonable. For example (please pay attention): Members agree that they will not artificially promote private companies so as damage another member countries ability to trade in that sector. France is not allowed to push so much tax-payers money into selling cheap cars so as to put the German car industry out of business. Does that make sense? It is called "state aid rules" and it is very important when the LEVEL OF ACCESS is as high as it is between member states. Britain can NOT expect the level of access a member state gets WITHOUT agreeing to the same anti-competitive rules that member states agree to. THAT makes sense. But the UK is demanding to be able to do just that. They want member level market access WITHOUT having to follow anti-competitive rules. Of course that is an absurd demand. The EU have said that the UK can avoid the anti-competitive rules but NOT with full access. They are giving us a reasonable choice. We can have a high level of access and follow EU rules or a low level of access and follow our own rules. Our choice. But the UK is demanding high level access WITHOUT following the rules. Clearly the UK demands are bonkers.
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  1095.  @schenwig  "... you are completely out of your depth ... " - Saying that doesn't make it true.
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  1096.  @schenwig  "So, I asking you again, what is the UK demand?" - I literally answered this question in my previous long comment.
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  1097.  @schenwig  "12 countries have refused to sign the Canada-EU deal because of it's many flaws" - So why is the UK demanding the same deal?
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  1098.  @schenwig  "I didn't find any answer in that prattle" - That's okay, I am sure other people reading this will find it just fine. I can't explain it any simpler for you.
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  1099.  @schenwig  "We want to have a Canada style agreement with the EU. We are not demanding a Canada style agreement with the EU. Do you understand?" - Not really no.
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  1100.  @schenwig  "nothing substantive could be discerned from" - People reading this do not need you to tell them whether or not they are capable of understanding what I wrote and checking if what I said was true or not.
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  1101.  @0penminds  "Who cares what they agree to..." - The EU cares. You do know that foreign people are humans too right?
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  1102.  @0penminds  "Is the UK forcing the EU to stay in line with it's standards? No." - Of course not. The UK wants to adopt lower standards and steal business away from EU countries. The whole point of the "level playing field" is it prevents the classic "race to the bottom" where ruthless companies rip off consumers for the sake of profits and rip off workers for the sake of profits and any company that wants to pay their workers properly and give consumers a high quality product are unable to compete. The ONLY way to protect both consumers and workers is to insist on a "level playing field". Tories don't care about any of that stuff. They just want to make their rich friends richer at the expense of everyone who voted for Brexit and everyone who did not vote for Brexit alike.
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  1103.  @0penminds  "How do you not know this?" - Have a read from Japan's government website about their trade deal with the EU https://www.mofa.go.jp/files/000521432.pdf "1. Recalling the statements of the Asia-Europe Meeting of 18-19 October 2018, the JapanEU Summit of 25 April 2019, and of the G20 Osaka Summit of 28-29 June 2019, Japan and the EU affirm their commitment to establishing a Connectivity Partnership based on sustainability as a shared value, quality infrastructure and their belief in the benefits of a level playing field."
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  1104. @FlyingMonkies325 That portion has nothing to do with the EU. It is just talking about how, historically, Europe has been united in the past. Of course the Romans did it. So what? Says nothing about how the EU operates.
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  1105.  @Nick-kb6jd  Truth be told I am not always answering for the sake of the person I am replying to, but the other readers who come here who genuinely don't know how this really works. I see every daft and bizarre Brexiter statement as an opportunity to explain to other readers some aspect of how the EU works or what Boris is really doing etc...
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  1106.  @0penminds  Fishing waters is a red herring. It is a TINY part of the economy (0.12%). I am pretty sure that British youth would rather go to university than out on a fishing boat tbh. Fishing was an issue back when we joined the EU. But now our economy has moved in other directions and I see no real value in moving it back. Having said that, they are a legitimate bargaining chip with the EU. I think it is a shame that the agreements in place for decades now need to be dredged up and gone over again for so very little benefit at the end of it. It is just a political punching bag to give British voters something to be outraged about in order to manipulate them into voting for Brexit.
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  1107.  @0penminds  "you will side with a foreign power over your own..." - I will side with what I believe to be right. I don't care what foreign powers think and I don't care what our government thinks. I have my own opinions. I won't believe BS just because my government spouts it. We don't live in a dictatorship quite yet and we are still allowed to disagree with the government. Although I am pretty sure Brexiteers would happily vote to end that right if Boris & Farage told them to.
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  1108.  @l1sakr1s  "What are you afraid of ?" - Bad economics.
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  1109. @Brother Spartacus "Abolish the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP)." - The CAP means the EU currently gives UK farmers BILLIONS to grow food. After Brexit either the British Government pays (we pay higher taxes) or the farmers put their prices up.
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  1110. @Brother Spartacus "the UK's ability to slash tarrifs," - The UK can not reduce tarifs more than they are now (zero). And if we make our WTO tariffs zero we damage our ability to make trade deals with other countries - why would they make a deal when we already give them free access? So no. Our tariff schedules for 2021 are already set and they are NOT anywhere near zero. They are slightly below the EU's WTO tariff schedule prices.
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  1111.  @l1sakr1s  "What about the billions we give to the EU and only get a percentage back" - When we leave the Single Market British companies will have to fill out export forms and pay export administrations costs to trade under WTO. Those will nearly be the same amount as we currently pay the EU in membership fees. So we won't be saving anything. EU membership was essentially free.
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  1112.  Brother Spartacus  "So you do the maths." - The Financial Times puts the red-tape costs at £7 billion but remember that is purely the form-filling cost. In addition to this firms have to pay tariffs & QC https://www.ft.com/content/fbc6f191-6d69-4dcb-b374-0fa6e48a9a1e
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  1113. @Brother Spartacus "So you do the maths. " - When you include tariffs the estimate is more like £27 billion. Looks like the membership fee pays for itself several times over.
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  1114.  @dopeyb218  Freedom of Movement was really working well for the UK. We weren't importing "millions of foreign workers into working class communities", people were coming to fill vacant jobs because the UK had the lowest unemployment rate in decades. So instead of driving wages down and creating unemployment, Freedom of Movement was enabling businesses to create even more jobs and there for produce even more goods than our native population could produce alone. More goods mean more profits for businesses and a higher GDP. Thanks to Brexit we now do not have enough bottom tier workers to sustain the pre-Brexit level of production. This means that production will go down and businesses will be forced to lay of higher-tier workers until those lower-tier positions are filled. Brexit has created a low-tier worker shortage and is therefore causing people from better-paying jobs to be forced out of work and then back into the lower-paying jobs that migrant workers used to do. Brexit is bringing wages DOWN over all. Any short term increases in wages due to Brexit will be relatively short-lived and will not compensate for the drop in wages across the board for many businesses.
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  1115. Germany will not likely go into recession. But what we know for sure is that Britain will be much worse off than Germany because of Brexit.
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  1116.  john hansberry  "it looks like he ODd himself" - The independent autopsy concluded he was in good health and died from suffocation from his neck being trapped.
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  1117. Yes. The ban should not be about health it should be about the fact that nicotine is just as addictive as heroine and people become a slave to the drug, spending their hard earned money just so they do not have to go through mentally tortuous withdrawal symptoms. Selling tobacco or vapes is like forcing people to be mentally tortured unless they hand over their cash to the drug (tobacco/vaping) corporations. It should be illegal.
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  1118. Dumb idiots voted to screw over everyone here in Britain and then suddenly realize they screwed themselves over too! I am ashamed at the lack of intelligence among so many people of my country.
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  1119. Tories gave away the wealth of ordinary working people to the oil and gas companies for no apparent reason. It's clear to me the Tories are getting back-handers into secret off-shore bank accounts. This was criminal, letting the oil corporations walk off with people's livelihoods.
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  1120.  @beastisntback9887  I don't see any evidence China wants to "destroy" anyone. There is indeed a lot of bitterness in China towards the west. Do you know why? The British Empire humiliated China for many many years. When the Chinese government tried to prevent British ships selling illegal drugs to the people of Chine, Britain sent warships down and blasted China into capitulating. We forced the Chinese government into legalizing the sale of drugs so that Britain could continue to get rich off of selling drugs and to Chinese addicts. It was the British Empire that helped to create the environment in which a revolutionary ideology like Communism could take root in the first place.
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  1121.  @beastisntback9887  I don't believe for one second Chine deliberately distributed the Corona-virus. That sounds like Trump's made up anti-China rhetoric. China could have handled the Corona-virus better for sure. But Donald Trump's actions have been far far worse than China's. Corona-virus has spread far more because of Trump's utter incompetence than anything China did or didn't do. Trump is blaming China to deflect from the tens of thousands of needless deaths that Trump himself is responsible for.
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  1122.  @candy1706  "21.000 plus dead people on Pennsylvania voter rolls" - Who won't be voting because they're dead. If there was any evidence they had voted (easily checked) then Trump's lawyers would have presented it.
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  1123.  @candy1706  ".very odd indeed how all the late turn in ballots went to Biden" - No, it was expected and predicted. Donald Trump specifically told his supporters NOT to vote by mail whereas Biden specifically told his supporters to vote by mail because of the pandemic. Therefore most Biden votes arrived in the mail and Donald Trump made sure mail-in votes were counted last. EVERYONE knew Trump would lead early and Biden would catch up later.
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  1124.  @candy1706  "computer glitches which always miraculously flip votes to Biden" - Have been checked and accounted for.
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  1125.  @candy1706  "Poll watchers not allowed.it " - That was proven to be a lie. Poll watchers were present. Trumps lawyers even had to admit that in court. They just wanted to be "closer" but they were the exact same distance as the Democrat observers.
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  1126.  @candy1706  "lawsuits will be fired in Pennsylvania Wisconsin and more" - Mathematically, even if there was some fraud, it won't affect the results. Remeber casual voter fraud happens BOTH WAYS so most fraud tends to cancel out. So the fraud differential is not going to be significant enough to flip the state. For that the fraud would have to be MASSIVE but fraud that big would be easy to detect - they would have found evidence by now.
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  1127.  @yamahattr6006  "if there is voter fraud we need to know" - I agree. I don't think anyone is suggesting people stop looking for fraud. But so far none of any significance has been found. The mathematical probabilities are pretty damning.
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  1128.  @yamahattr6006  "lots of evidence out there just look" - lots of CLAIMS out there. If there was any evidence of substance then the Lawyers would be using it in court and the counts would change. Have you seen that happen anywhere? Have you seen any evidence presented to a court?
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  1129. What you are suggesting is actually IMPOSSIBLE. I don't know where you get your information from but it is completely false. The Mercosur trade deal MUST be agreed by EVERY member of the EU. That means ALL 27 countries MUST agree. Grmany has NO special power in the EU. None.
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  1130. Germany has no more say in the EU than any of the other 26 members. What you are saying is quite impossible. Check your sources. All 27 members must agree on any trade deal. Always. Germany does not call the shots. Every member has equal power in trade deals.
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  1131.  @DB-tc1ic  So your argument is that Germany is helping a lot of other countries and those countries are deciding, on balance, help from Germany is worth more to their economies than vetoing a trade deal. Sounds like they are doing what every non-EU country does too. We are all victims of Capitalism and the free-market. Why do you think the UK does what the US tells it to so often?
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  1132.  @GH-oi2jf  The backstop literally says that as soon as Britain devises a solution "tailored specifically to the problem of preserving the Good Friday Agreement" it will automatically remove itself. The only purpose of the backstop is to prevent a war in Northern Ireland while Britain devises an alternative solution. What is so unreasonable about that if such a solution can be found?
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  1133.  @GH-oi2jf  I found this on twitter. It is a very good summary of the situation between Boris and the EU: Johnson: "Get rid of the backstop and we'll find an alternative arrangement." EU: "Find an alternative arrangement and we'll get rid of the backstop."
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  1134.  @GH-oi2jf  Violence in Northern Ireland will likely start very quickly with a no-deal exit. We don't have time to leave the Single Market before figuring out a solution to the problem that we spent 3 years trying to solve and still can't come up with a solution for.
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  1135.  @genericusername3212  You mean shoot ourselves in the head because we are too crybaby to live up to the international agreements we signed up to?
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  1136.  @genericusername3212  Yes, running away from your responsibilities is a very cowardly and small minded thing to do. Britain is going to lose so much respect for this. Doesn't bode well for getting a another decent trade deal if this is how we behave.
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  1137.  @genericusername3212  "we have countries queuing up to sign deals" No they are not. The few that are currently tell us we need to leave the EU with a deal and to stop this no-deal nonsense. We were negotiating a deal with Canada but they said if we leave the EU without a deal then the Canada deal is off. Furthermore we are absolutely desperate for deals so we will never get equitable terms with anyone we make a deal with. It will take years for trade with anyone we make a deal with to make them so dependent on our trade that we will be able to negotiate better terms. WE ALREADY HAVE THE BEST DEAL that will never be beaten because zero tariff open borders is impossible to improve on. And transport to near by places is obviously cheaper than transport to the other side of the world.
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  1138. How does this even work? Do they get together to talk about how climate hasn't changed? Did your climate change? Nope, did yours? Nope. Did anybody's climate change? Nope? Let's all go home then, nothing to talk about for another year!
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  1139.  @5rings16  No. You can't. America proves it convincingly.
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  1140.  @5rings16  While people like you peddle that obvious falsehood children are being murdered. Take the guns away from civilians and civilians will stop shooting guns. It is not hard.
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  1141.  @leftfield170  Not getting your point to be honest. Every US citizen that would rather have guns than prevent children from being murdered is a child murderer IMO.
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  1142.  @epsiloneridani4638  "Guns aren’t to blame, people are to blame." - People are to blame which is why you need to take the guns away from the people. Simple. You can either have dead children, or you can give up your guns.
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  1143.  @epsiloneridani4638  "deal with the people with mental issues" - You mean send them to a mental facility after they shoot 15 children at the local school? A bit late then don't you think?
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  1144.  @epsiloneridani4638  "1. Illegal guns" - Are so much easier to find when there are no "legal" guns (or legal guns are extremely rare). No one is asking for ZERO crime. We're saying you can stop this absolutely disgusting epidemic of child murder if you wanted to. But you would rather children die than find a less violent hobby.
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  1145.  @candidob8683  "Police Have No Duty to Protect You" - All the more reason to disarm the civilian population.
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  1146.  @epsiloneridani4638  "Guns aren’t to blame, people are to blame." - No one is blaming the guns. We are blaming the people who carry guns and who allow guns to be readily available to people who are willing to use them on other people, including children.
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  1147.  @epsiloneridani4638  "The right to carry a firearm is a god given right," - It's your choice. If you choose to let children die so that you can carry a weapon, that's up to you. It says what kind of person you are. THAT was my original point in my post. But please stop blaming your god.
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  1148.  @epsiloneridani4638  "the moment we get rid of the second amendment our democracy will become a dictatorship" - Utter rubbish. There are hundreds of democracies around the world that are not dictatorships and that do not have the "right to bear arms".
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  1149.  @epsiloneridani4638  "You can't say that the majority of firearm owners who have a clean record should give up their guns cause of a minority that uses them wrongfully." - Yes I can. And if they were decent human beings, they would gladly do so to save the lives of children. Your god must be disgusted with the lot of you.
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  1150.  @epsiloneridani4638  "it never works. Sure wonder why!" - I answered that in my original post. 🙂
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  1151.  @S1D3W1ND3R015  "You guys act like just because we support the 2A we hate kids and want them dead or something." - Not at all. You are just willing to let kids die to support your violent hobbies.
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  1152.  @S1D3W1ND3R015  "more kids die a year by drunk drivers practicing two privileges than AR 15s" - Whataboutism. That problem should be fixed too.
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  1153.  @rookie3315  "so youre telling me that my rights should be limited because of other people's acts, why?" - When you put it like that, they should revoke all driving laws - why should some of us be penalized just because some people drive badly, amiright?? They should legalize all forms of recreational drug use - why should I be penalized just because some people take too many or push them onto kids, amiright? The list of laws we could get rid of are endless.
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  1154.  @rookie3315  "i dont see any problem with me having my ar15" - If you're happy to let school children be murdered on a regular basis just so you don't have to find another hobby, then I guess that's why so many school children get murdered.
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  1155.  @xaerofour1137  False reasoning. Your argument is that if we can't get rid of every single gun we may as well not bother getting rid of any guns because it makes no difference. If you follow that false reasoning through, then why even bother trying to stop gun smuggling at all if the number of guns makes no difference? Of course banning currently legal guns will help. (1) Right now you have the illegal guns PLUS the legal guns. If you got rid of the legal guns, that would cut the gun population down massively. (2) Most school shootings and mass shootings in general are perpetrated with LEGAL guns. (3) It is much, much, much easier to police illegal guns when ALL guns are illegal.
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  1156.  @JeepCherokeeful  The US Constitution is irrelevant because it can be changed. Human Nature is irrelevant because if humans don't have guns they can't kill as easily whatever their nature. And I do understand human nature very well. Americans would rather children die than give up their military grade weapons because it's what their "tribe" tells them to do. It is what their political leaders tell them to want. But most of all it upsets yellow-belly, snowflake liberals. If children need to die to upset a few liberals, then it's well worth letting those children die.
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  1157. Do you think scientists didn't take those things into account? https://climate.nasa.gov/blog/2949/why-milankovitch-orbital-cycles-cant-explain-earths-current-warming/ https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=448
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  1158. Blair and Cameron didn't lie to people by pretending to be poor like Farage did. It is not the fact that Farage is quite rich it is the fact that he told us that he was poor and that he wasn't making any money.
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  1159. Bye!
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  1160. "Vance: Europe’s biggest threat not from Russia, but “from within”" - Is he kidding? Europe's biggest threat is the country that is threatening us, the USA. They are literally threatening us when no one else is, they are de-facto our biggest threat.
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  1161. Because the far-right own all the social media now.
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  1162. This is what happens if your country starts to get more economically successful than the US.
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  1163.  @joannekelly5132  Good business planning means you put away savings in good times (almost always) for the bad times. But we're not talking about that. We are talking about the shareholders taking billions in profits for their private bank accounts. I don't see any of them paying money back into the company when the company makes a loss. Usually they go to the government for a handout of taxpayer's money. Socialism for the rich.
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  1164.  @joannekelly5132  "a windfall tax will mean less investment" - No it won't because we are not talking about their normal profits. We are talking about the additional profits they are making just because the fuel prices are unusually high. They still get to keep their regular profits.
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  1165.  @designanddirection  Why do you think anyone wants to kill humans?
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  1166. @-cw4yr "what about pointing out facts about the company mr Khan keeps" - So you think it is okay for the British Government to spread religious hatred just because of some whataboutism? Stop changing the subject.
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  1167. @nemitchell2371 Lee Anderson is spreading religious hatred but why don't you care about that? Are you looking forward to the kind of violence that kind of propaganda provokes?
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  1168. @nemitchell2371 "being critical of Sadiq Khan was not racist" - No one cares if he was being critical of Sadiq Khan or not. Lee is spreading religious hatred and and encouraging racists and anti-islamists to become angry over something that is quite likely to encourage some people to violence. That is dispicable and Lee should be nowhere near British Government. He would have fit a lot better in the German government in the 1930s.
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  1169.  @You2345yihyh  "fools like you, are not going to impose Islam and terrorism on us." - Britain and the US already did by fighting proxy war after proxy war against Russia or just to grab at the oil. It is THEM you need to blame. 99% of all people everywhere regardless of religion, colour, culture, are ordinary peace-loving people. Fact.
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  1170. Brexit was never deliverable. Ireland is an unsolvable problem. There is no point leaving the EU if we remain in any kind of Customs Union. #ExitBrexit and Revoke A50. Otherwise we're just cutting off our nose to spite our face.
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  1171. @More tea Vicar? Its not about who won or lost. Brexit is impossible. That's just a fact. We can pretend to do Brexit but remain in the Customs Union but what is the point of that? That is not Brexit.
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  1172. @Edward Longshanks But this needs to be done before we can do Brexit. Until it is done, Brexit is impossible. Also, it is by no means certain the Northern Irish would vote for unification. Regardless, this issue should have been settled before the British Government promised Brexit. They should never have even had a referendum on Brexit until a solution for the Good Friday agreement was settled.
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  1173. Votes Tory. Gets ripped off. Blames Labour and everyone else. I mean with this level of thinking no wonder this country is down the toilet.
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  1174.  @willvincent4829  "Banning something doesn't stop people doing it all it does just forces them to get it elsewhere." - So, it would it be fine to legalize heroin?
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  1175.  @Tamarlane389  "What about sugar?" - Sugar is not physically addictive like nicotine or heroine. Nicotine is as addictive as heroine. Same with alcohol. Most people can drink alcohol without getting addicted. But 100% of people who take heroine or nicotine become PHYSICALLY dependent on the drug and it is extremely mentally tortous to give up.
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  1176.  @Tamarlane389  "Where does it end?" - Or where does it begin? Why don't we legalize heroine cigarette or cocaine vapes?
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  1177.  @buffabee7130  "Research the substances added to Marlborogh Lights when they realised nicotine was NOT as addictive as they wanted." - Research how addictive nicotine actually is. What Marlborough do is irrelevant to that. The fact that they want to make their cigarrettes even more addictive tells you how evil they are and how much they want to FORCE people to give them money against their will.
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  1178.  @Tamarlane389  "but in of itself is nowhere near as harmful as sugar" - But I am not talking about the health issues. I am saying that nicotine should be banned because it forces people to spend their money even if they want to stop smoking but can't. Health legislation is also important but I simply do not think health should be the reason to ban smoking. It should be the fact that it forces people to spend money they need for other things.
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  1179.  @Tamarlane389  "that argument can be made on any number of things" - I agree. People should not be allowed to profit on the enforced suffering of others. However things like gambling are not physically addictive like heroin. So it is a weakness in the person rather than a chemically induced subservitude on the part of the drug seller. So I think there is a clear distinction to be made between will-destroying drugs and simply weak people. Not saying gambling should be illegal or not, I just put it in a seperate category.
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  1180. Her lies incited hatred and therefore rioting all over the UK. So no. It should be normal to arrest such people. She should go to jail.
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  1181.  @wasteoftime2187  "who cares it will affect normal people more than billionaires?" - What do you want, a list?
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  1182.  @SquidgyPickle  "don’t commit the offence then" - Why not? I'm rich. I would not even notice the fine it is so tiny. Those laws don't apply to me, they only apply to little people who don't have that much money even when they work hard.
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  1183.  @SquidgyPickle  "We are all born with the same chance" - Then, either you are a multi-billionaire like the rest of us, or you are simply too lazy and dumb to be that rich. Seriously? Do you believe one word of that? So you think that everyone starts from zero money, works and saves and the billionaires just happened to earn more than everyone else? They didn't inherit millions? They didn't get the best education? Personal tutors? Computers? Have investment capital? Puh....lease!!
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  1184.  @SquidgyPickle  "the same chances to acquire wealth, become successful or do whatever we want" - With all due respect the multi-billion dollar propaganda campaign is working on you. If you are poor it is because you are lazy, stupid or both right? You don't know of any lazy right people? You don't know of any dumb rich people?
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  1185.  @PickleThePig  "Only poor people agree with this comment. Your attitude would be completely different if you worked harder and earned more." - This idea you have that people who work hard can't be poor is ignorant and naive.
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  1186. It happened in the US when Trump refused to concede the 2020 election and tried to take control by ilegal means.
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  1187.  @WhichDoctor1  "it'll be giving trump ideas" - Trump already has this idea. He tried very hard to get the US military involved in the Trump riots and he tried very hard to cling to power by illegal means after the 2020 election.
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  1188.  @brettworrallo395  "please explain what’s so bad what’s going too happen ?" - First, Trump is going to pardon himself of his crimes, in particular of his attempted coup in 2020. Then the world has to deal with Trump, who is 1) incompetent, 2) makes stuff up as he goes along, 3) is a relentless liar, 4) is a narcissist, 5) his only skill is as a con man, and 6) is a sociopath and 7) fully intends to undermine the US democracy. Is that enough for now?
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  1189.  @benny4668  "don't be stupid." - Can you be more specific?
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  1190.  @Newevolutionvideo  Regardless, it is a damning indictment of the people of the US that they would vote for a man that tried to commit a coup at the last election and who incited a riot to try to delay certification so he could get his own fake college electors to certify himself rather than the legitimate winner.
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  1191. It should not be about health. It should be about the ADDICTION. Nicotine is a powerful addictive drug and tobacco and vapping companies bleed people of their hard earned cash by getting them hooked on drugs. This is disgusting and no one should be able to make money selling highly addictive drugs like nicotine.
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  1192. @6:17 "Has this happened before?" - Yes, Nazi Germany
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  1193. No technological border solution can prevent illegal contraband. That's a problem that can't be solved.
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  1194. How is this Channel 4's fault?
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  1195.  @subject_7  "Nobody cares about what you think 😂" - You clearly do.
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  1196.  @Lynette.usa.  I believe they are simply giving them as much rope as they want. Just by airing their words, C4 is exposing these thugs to the whole world.
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  1197. Its a lack of international students that has created this crisis. Blame Brexit.
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  1198. Fighting over the power opportunities opened up by Trump winning the Presidential Election. We saw the same thing with the Tories fighting over the PM spot and going through Prime Ministers 19 to the dozen.
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  1199. It's called a massive financial crash caused by pure greed, 12 years of Tory Austerity (where the Tories made ordinary working people pay for the crash caused by greedy banks), Covid 19, war in Ukraine and the UK deliberately damaging its own economy with Brexit. It's not "managed decline" its a series of random events punctuated by greed and bad decisions.
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  1200.  @dukeofvoid6483  "corrodes the trade balance, and undermines the pound" - These have nothing to do with population increase. Trade balance has nothing to do with population size. Higher population makes the economy more efficient through the economies of scale.
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  1201. @Derreck Jones "WE had a democratic vote" - Actually a referendum vote is not part of the democratic machinery of government. It is ONLY ADVICE to the democratically elected government. Democratically Elected Parliament is sovereign, NOT a referendum vote. That is how democracy works in the UK.
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  1202. May's deal doesn't deliver Brexit, it keeps us in the very part of the EU that Brexiteers want to leave and takes us out of a part of the EU that really works for us. It is literally bad for Remainers and bad of Leavers. But they will deliver it anyway and call it "Brexit", even though it isn't and they will do it just to save face. They are literally hurting Britain just to make it look like they didn't promise something that was impossible to actually deliver.
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  1203. Wexit.
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  1204.  @whynot6950  "A bigger pool of workers results in more competition for jobs" - Not necessarily. And even when it does, usually only locally for a limited time. Increasing the pool of workers INCREASES the number of jobs because you have more consumers demanding more products and those products need making - crating more jobs. Before Brexit unemployment in the UK was the LOWEST from 50 years. That means the "competition for jobs" was at its lowest for 50 years. That means wages were NOT being depressed by too many workers. They were being depressed for other reasons. For example a deliberate shortage in the housing market pushing houses and rents up by artificially booting the cost of housing.
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  1205.  @whynot6950  "A larger pool of potential homebuyers or renters pushes up the cost of buying/renting" - No. It creates a demand for housing that creates JOBS because those houses need to be built and maintained. And the people who live in those new houses all need feeding and want cars and computers and stuff creating yet more jobs. Assing more people simply expand the economy, it does NOT suppress wages over the long term. It is a refusal by the government to allow more houses to be built that is pushing the cost of housing/renting up. It is an easy to fix problem.
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  1206.  James Smith  We already are WTO. Being in the EU does not stop us trading under WTO. So why bother leaving just for WTO?
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  1207. Trump continues to destroy the USA. The "British Trump", Boris Johnson, is destroying the UK. Please, please dear French people, do NOT go down the same road as the US and the UK, sinking into right-wing, xenophobic populism. It will destroy you, just like it is destroying the US and the UK.
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  1208.  @Buckets1000  No country is when they apply. Qualification happens over time.
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  1209. It is mathematically impossible for Biden to lose. The margins are way to large for any amount of fake fraud claims to account for.
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  1210.  @candy1706  "after recounts of legal votes" - No amount of recounting the legal votes will change the result because the margins are way too big now.
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  1211. The government have placed hundreds of Gagging Orders on organizations preventing them from talking about Brexit. Sign a petition to get those gagging orders removed. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/247761
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  1212.  gx240  Even Brexit Politicians admit our economy is bz0rk3d for the next few decades because of Brexit. Deny it all you want. Governments own figures say we will be between 5-11% worse off even if we leave with a deal.
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  1213. I have Chinese, Indian, Mexican, Italian, French, Tie, and a whole bunch of other stuff in addition to roast meals. It's about expanding horizons, developing, improving, learning and just having more, experiencing more. The exact opposite of closed mindedness and ignorance.
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  1214. Yes. And we voted for closer ties with the EU. It's in the Labour Manifesto. This is exactly what Britain voted for.
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  1215. Hopefully the EU will impose massive fines until X-Twitter complies with EU law.
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  1216.  @thomasarthurmaj  WTO rules are very expensive. That's the problem. Food will get more expensive. Our farmers will not be able to sell as much food to our current customers. We will have to pay more for a lot of the food we buy.
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  1217.  @Ian-pm8ll  "With a US trade deal, the US does not dictate the UK's ability to negotiate trade deals with other countries, anymore than it could dictate Canada's trade policies." - Yes it does. America has already done this. America has stipulated that we must give up all our deals with the EU before they will offer us a deal. And if America ever says "boycott that country" we will have to stop selling to that country.
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  1218.  @Ian-pm8ll  "Canada was able to negotiate a trade deal with the EU, although Canada has a trade deal with the US" - Canada does not share an open land border with an EU nation.
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  1219.  @Ian-pm8ll  The EU is actively introducing measures to prevent Big Business screwing over consumers and blackmailing governments for large tax cuts. America is literally doing the exact oposite. This is exactly the reason so many rich Tories want to get out of the EU - deregulation and tax cuts for large business. They engineered Brexit propaganda and they did NOT do it for "working class" people.
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  1220.  @Ian-pm8ll  "Research any EU member countries biggest businesses, and type the word cartel after it, and you will find that nearly all have been fined for their actions against consumers." - You just admitted that the EU takes action against big business when it hurts consumers. Why would we, the consumers, want to give that up?
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  1221.  @Ian-pm8ll  "Canada has a trade deal with the US" - FYI the USA is currently pi*sing all over their trade deal with Canada and Canada is going to respond - yet another USA created trade war with their trading partners. We should be so eager to make a deal with them. NOT!!!!! https://www.international.gc.ca/trade-commerce/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/agr-acc/united_states-etats_unis/fta-ale/background-contexte.aspx?lang=eng
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  1222.  @Ian-pm8ll  "We are not giving up British power in Europe, as we are not leaving the continent" - So the EU is going to let us vote in their elections, allow our Prime Minister to appoint a commissioner to represent our interests within the Commission just because we happen to exist next to them geographically? I think not. Right now we have a strong voice in the EU decisions. If we leave we have zero influence over anything they decide to do.
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  1223.  @Ian-pm8ll  "the US has stated that they could not negotiate with the UK if we are still tied to the EU" - So you admit the US makes demands on who we may or may not make trade deals with.
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  1224.  @Ian-pm8ll  "The EU has had land borders with many countries during its existence" - and all of them either have HARD borders (Canada has this) or they have agreed to trading terms that the US (and Brexiteers) reject.
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  1225.  @Ian-pm8ll  Every one I have checked had a fuzzy EU deal to accommodate the specifics of the Single Market so it maintains its integrity.
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  1226.  @Ian-pm8ll  There is no FTA that can solve the Irish Border problem that Brexiteers would agree to. If there was then the backstop would be it. There is no magic solution. 27 countries do not want unregulated goods flooding through a completely unchecked border. That is not "unreasonable" that is basic common sense. No FTA will change that fact. Unregulated goods through an unchecked border is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. Only Boris and his loony cabinet are obfuscating the issue in order to trick Brexit supporters into blaming the EU for the UK's inability to leave the EU in a mature, orderly fashion. Britain is a laughing stock because the rest of the world can see the EU is simply being reasonable and the UK is acting like a cry-baby that doesn't want to live up to the international agreements that it, itself signed up to.
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  1227.  @Ian-pm8ll  "May I recommend watching ..." - No need. It won't change the fact that 27 countries can not, and should not allow unregulated goods through an unchecked border in to their countries. They would be utterly stupid to even consider it. This is a bare fact that underpins the whole problem. We regulate the goods or we check them at the border.
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  1228.  @Ian-pm8ll  "The UK will be conducting the required checks on goods, but away from the NI/ROI border, leaving that actual border invisible (without border infrastructure)." - It doesn't matter if the UK conducts those checks on the border or 5 miles away. The factions in NI will target those facilities and vandalize them. Then the UK will send police to guard the facilities. Then they will shoot the police guards. Then the UK will send in the army... This has all been discussed. If there was a solution we would have done it.
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  1229.  @Ian-pm8ll  VOSA checks are nothing to do with the border, they are vehicle checks that happen arbitrarily anywhere. There are no border checkpoints to search randomly for smuggling. So nothing to attack there. Same with animals - no checks for crossing the land border. As for Irish docks and Airports? Well those are not land borders are they!!!!
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  1230.  @Ian-pm8ll  "Why you think customs checks(away from the border) would be attacked," - because it is nothing to do with generally checking things. It is about treating the entire island of Ireland (north and south combined) like two separate entities. That means that ANY check that is performed SPECIFICALLY because a person moved from Northern Ireland into Ireland (or vice versa) will be seen by paramilitary styled activists as a return to British interference in a united Ireland. THAT will create a return to violence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPIGq_eiRBU
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  1231.  @Ian-pm8ll  This is the basis of the Good Friday Agreement. It is literally a BRILLIANT piece of negotiation. It works like this. In the GFA Britain agreed to never again interfere in a "united Ireland". Instead the British government agreed to allow ONLY the people of Ireland to decide if they want to unite north and south. This means that the ENTIRE TERRITORY is free from any hint that the north is somehow regulated differently from the south. Literally ANY difference of regulatory system that the UK enters into is likely to be considered a break in the GFA.
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  1232.  @Ian-pm8ll  "You have a twisted view on things" - No, I have tried to explain the Irish view of things. Something Brexiteers could not care less about. But it is what will cause violence in Ireland and probably the British mainland too if there are any cross territorial checks wherever they are placed. None of your ideas will work because they have all been suggested and rejected for exactly the reasons I gave and the reasons the man who NEGOTIATED the GFA - watch the video I posted. He KNOWS what he is talking about. If he didn't he would have failed to negotiate the GFA.
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  1233. @Smokeango "you do realise that all the tariff money plus the £360 million a week" - The taxation from tariffs will get passed on to the customer, so all our food prices will get more expensive. So after 10 years of "austerity" now they are going to add even more taxes and take even more money from us? Brexit, the nightmare that just keeps giving. Oh and the £360 million from the bus? Brexit is going to cost us a lot more than that in lost business (because of the tariffs) so rather than being £360M/week better off we are going to be substantially worse off. The rainbows and puppies you were promised were just lies to get you to vote "leave".
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  1234. @Smokeango You said that EU businesses would lower their prices because Britain will add tariffs. I simply explained why they can not do that. Tariffs are always a bad thing.
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  1235. @Smokeango Anyone can "make up" an example that suits their position. But it doesn't change the fact that WTO makes our goods more expensive overall and therefore we become less competitive overall and some businesses simply will not survive. The country will be worse off under WTO. Basic economics guarantees it. There is a reason countries negotiate free trade deals.
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  1236. @Smokeango We spent 45 years shaping our economy to the realities of the EU. Some of it was very painful (Margret Thatcher). But now we have our economy very well structured within the European whole. Brexit will change all of that. All the pain we went though in joining Europe we will now have to go through again by leaving Europe to make a new set of international deals that have different economic merits. In short, when we joined the EU some industries shrank and others grew. I just don't see the point in doing it all over again. Especially as I do not believe there is a better market outside the EU then the EU. Furthermore the EU countries look after each other. Look how fiercely the EU countries are fighting for Ireland! We can not fail to be stronger being part of the EU than being in competition with it. And the fact is we WILL simply get swallowed up by the USA. They will have far more control over us than the EU ever would because we are a MAJOR force in the EU but we are a TINY partner to the USA. A lot of economic turmoil for what? Because a few rich Tories lied to the British voters about the benefits so they could sell us off to American Big Business? What a waste.
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  1237. @Smokeango But that is a false narrative pushed by Brexiteer Tories. Think about it. Right now unemployment in Britain is lower than it has been in decades. How can that be true if "foreigners" are taking jobs away from natives? Furthermore there is the idea that immigrants drive down wages. Again, it is not immigrants that drive down wages it is business that refuse to pay decent wages. Do you think if all the immigrants left that companies would suddenly start paying better wages? Of course not. Business pays the absolute minimum that the government allows it to get away with. It is not immigration that is making us poor it is RICH TORIES backing tax cuts for the rich and cutting benefits to the poor which makes living wages much much harder to maintain in the lower brackets. Think about it. We are the fifth RICHEST country in the world! If our country is so rich and unemployment is so low then why can't we afford to give better wages to the lowest brackets? It is all about rich Tories being greedy and blaming immigration for it. Last of all we need immigration. Do you think Brexit will stop immigration? Even the Brexiteer politicians admit immigration will continue after Brexit. Without immigration we don't have enough tax payers (NI) to cover the cost of old age pensioners (because British people don't have enough kids). So an influx of tax paying earners is essential to our economy. Immigrants pay more tax, claim fewer benefits and commit less crime than their native-born British counterparts. That's a fact. Also the current exodus of European immigrants is killing the NHS because so many of its trained staff are immigrants. Now they are taking their skills elsewhere in the EU.
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  1238. @Smokeango I understand you have a real problem. I just disagree with the cause. Social housing? Tory government refuses to spend money to build houses. Queues to see doctors? Tory governments have been taking money out of the NHS for years. Those problems are solvable by spending money on social development. Something Tory governments hate doing. Even the United Nations have a report saying that the British Tory government's policies are "cruel" and a breach of human rights. Go take a look at the real reason our young people have no hope. https://undocs.org/A/HRC/41/39/Add.1
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  1239. @Smokeango I honestly think that immigration is being blamed to divert attention away from the real problem in this country. Tories. The same people giving us Brexit in order to withdraw from the European Court of Human Rights.
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  1240.  @ivancarter7564  You can try to piece together all the "selective" nuts and bolts you choose. At the end of the day basic economics wins out every time. The larger the economic trading zone the more stable the economy. The whole point of having the EU is so that financial decisions can be made across member countries. So all countries are more resilient by virtue of being a part of a greater whole. If Greece managed to survived its deeply entrenched self-inflicted economic meltdown (with the help of the EU) then any EU country can. If Britain goes down the toilet we have no one to help us out.
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  1241.  @ivancarter7564  Yes. And neither one of us is going to actually conduct and fully exhaustive economic analysis of ever single possible trade possibility following Brexit. And we don't need to. Many economic institutions have already done that and concluded that no-deal is a disaster. But we don't even need those to tell us that Brexit is economically nonsensical. Basic Economics 101 makes that rather obvious. Brexiteers were the original architects of "Project Fear" claiming gloom and doom for the EU and for the UK if we remain. Total nonsense.
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  1242.  @ImloyaltoScotlandonly  "link me to where Russia said that I will wait" - Who waits for a country renown for extending its borders to extend their borders over our borders before doing anything about it?
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  1243.  @stevejwilliams61  "I don't think you understand what i am talking about,.." - I understand exactly what you are talking about. The problem seems to be that you don't seem to understand how tax works. Everyone pays towards the NHS because the number of people who get sick is small compared to the number of people paying tax. So the tax we (or anyone else) pays more than covers the number of people who get sick. This is true WHEREVER you come from. Let us take an extreme example of a person who comes here for ONE WEEK so they only pay one weeks worth of tax. The chances of them getting sick during that one week are so tiny that the chances are OVERWHELMING that they will pay tax and get NOTHING in return. This happens for every single HOUR a person works. Every single MINUTE an average person works they pay MORE tax than they will ever use in healthcare - during an average minute.
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  1244.  @stevejwilliams61  "I don't read racist websites..." - And yet you spout their debunked propaganda all over the place.
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  1245. Better to have people who rob the country blind like the last lot?
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  1246. One day your a fake journalist having been fired twice for lying, and the next day you're Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
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  1247. *"How are the Starmer apologists going to maintain they are any different from the Tories *" - Simple. Right now the Conservative Party are becoming literal Nazis. So even the centre ground is very different from where the Torties are at right now.
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  1248. Police would protect an awful lot more people from crime if the general population didn't have guns. When you allow civilians to have guns you allow criminals to have guns. Take away all the guns and a LOT less people will get shot. School shootings could be a thing of the past. They ONLY happen in the US.
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  1249.  @JMBAmericanIronShallNotBeInfri  It would be easy enough given the will, and suitably severe penalties for not turning in illegal weapons. Drugs are very small and can be used surreptitiously. Assault Rifles, not so much. They make a lot of noise, and it is hard to conceal an AR-15. If people can't fire their guns without making a noise and risking imprisonment then they might as well get rid of them. Of course, you can't get rid of ALL of them. But you can get rid of enough of them to stop school shootings in their tracks. Hardened criminals will always get hold of illegal weapons, but hardened criminals don't generally shoot school children. People obsessed with guns do.
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  1250. The educated half of Germany didn't cope well with Hitler winning the elections too. Funny how it works.
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  1251. Britain has to do what the US tells us to do now that we are desperately looking for trade deals.
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