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Comments by "Lelly Parker" (@lellyparker) on "Boris Johnson in Scotland as polls show support for Scottish independence at historic high" video.
If they get a referendum I will move to Scotland!
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@JW-YT "I dont understand why so many of my fellow independence supporters are pro-eu" - Maybe because they want to be in a union and they choose the union with the largest free trading area in the world, and hundreds of deals with countries all over the world rather than the xenophobic, small-minded, union with a falling currency, zero trade deals and who are about to be screwed over by the US.
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@JW-YT "do you think an independent Scotland would have any trade deals when it first establishes itself?" - It only needs one. It only needs a fully comprehensive FTA with the EU. That gives Scotland access to hundreds of FTA arrangements throughout the globe - exactly the same as it enjoys now. The only thing missing will be that it won't have a seat at the table of power but then it never did with the UK so it is not missing anything.
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@bobrail733 "Everyone knows they won't get in corrupted EU" - Scotland have much of the UK fishing & oil they'll do fine, they can have an FTA if it takes a little longer to rejoin.
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@ninetalesxyo8842 "2 million voted for the Union in 2014 " - They voted for the European Union.
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@JW-YT "the political deficit" - What political deficit? Margret Thatcher practically built the Single Market which is now the very foundation of the union. The UK can be as politically involved as the imagination of our leaders. It is not the EU's fault that we keep voting in stupid small-minded idiots with no vision beyond the shores of England and for whome "feed the rich cut services to the poor" is the only way they know to provide for their super rich doners.
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@JW-YT "the reasons for that apply equally to the EU" - Not at all. The EU is a coalition of sovereign equals. The UK is not.
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@JW-YT "and be bound to those 27 countries" - The EU has FTA's and bilateral agreements with hundreds of nations amounting to something like 700 individual trade deals or bilateral arrangements. We will not be able to equal that for DECADES and probably not ever. Especially as the US will be telling us who we can and can not trade with.
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Exactly we don't need Scotland in order to sink. England is more than capable of sinking all by itself.
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@Essemm52 But only English nationalism (Tory/Brexit nationalism) is toxic nationalism - closer to fascism even.
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@JW-YT "the EU member states are not equals." - They are equals at the top. The leaders of the EU are the member nations and each have an equal say in the European Council. They each get to provide one Commissioner. So the top is fully equal by country. The bottom is proportionally equal as in divided up according to population. So throughout the union each person has equal democratic power in the European Parliament and a the top the each nation has equal democratic power on the European Council (and its commission).
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@JW-YT "Tell me how the US are going to screw over someone? In what way." - If you have not been paying attention Trump has been bossing all its trading partners around. He has even been interfering in Maxico's politics on pain of raising tariffs if they don't comply. Regarding a deal with the UK the US has already specified it can suspend any part of our deal if our circumstances change - as in if we make a trade deal with another country. So the US is going to control who we do and who we do not make trade deals with - on pain of suspending their own trade deal with us. Oh and if you did not notice the Tories voted to put the NHS back on the table in a trade deal with the US. Thanks to Brexit the US is going to keep screwing us until we regain the sense to rejoin the EU where we have actual sovereign and democratic power to shape the continent we inhabit and thereby the world beyond.
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@MGazT Any sensible person recognizes that Brexit invalidates the previous referendum.
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"The campaign for a second independence vote began the day after the decent people of Scotland supported the Union " - So? That changes absolutely nothing. Saying it does won't make it so. The points are all very valid.
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@danielcorum6081 Oh yes of course. Poor America. It is the richest country in the world because everyone else is ripping it off. Give me a break. The US makes its bread and butter by regime manipulation all over the world. Mexican cartels? Fulled by American Guns. If the US stopped selling military grade weapons to Mexican cartels then the US would not have so many problems with people and drug trafficking in the other direction. China is indeed a problem but the way NOT to fix the China problem is by starting a political war with it. Trade & Diplomacy is the only realistic way forward.
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@MGazT "doesn't mean you get to keep voting on it untill you eventually get the result you wanted " - Of course we do. It is called "democracy". Every time we have a general election there is a possibility we could vote to rejoin.
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@Alan_Mac The way you say it you make it sound exactly like Brexit - a shower of small-minded pricks who hate foreigners.
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Cymro 65 "the remaining Union will also include Northern Ireland and Wales" - Northern Ireland may well be out before Scotland. I don't think anyone expects Northern Ireland to survive the internal border with the mainland.
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@fredcollins9953 Not likely. Only about 30% if British people favor Scottish independence (probably mostly Brexit voters).
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@JW-YT "the political deficit is one of the reasons I voted for independence" - We don't have independence. We never will as long as we trade with other countries. What do you think a trade deal with the US is going to look like? You think that we will have more say with the US than we have in the EU? You have to be joking. We will have ZERO say it will be all one sided. In the EU we were the top three in terms of economic power. With the US we will be nothing lapdogs. Oh and when we are servants to the US we will STILL have to follow European Standards because 50% of our export trade is with the EU. Only now we have zero power over how our own continent is run.
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@MGazT "sovereign equals !?" - The right to self determination. For example the UK legally left the EU against the wishes of the EU. This was possible because we are, and always have been, a Sovereign nation. Scotland is not a sovereign nation so it does not get to decide if it leaves the UK or not - Westminster decides. Last time Scotland asked for a vote on independence it was refused.
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@MGazT "NOPE !" - That just makes you unreasonable. For all the reasons I previously gave but which you conveniently ignored. Sticking your head in the sand doesn't make you right. You failed to address any of the valid points I made.
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@MGazT We live in a democracy which means it is not up to you to unilaterally decide when Scotland does or does not get a referendum.
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@ninetalesxyo8842 The Scottish people are NOT the SNP. So it does not matter what the SNP may or may not have said. The CONDITIONS on which the Scottish people voted have RADICALLY changed. And so the Scottish PEOPLE deserve to have a say. This has got nothing to do with the SNP or any other political party. ALL my reasons why the Scottish PEOPLE deserve another say apply and you have not invalidated any of them. What the SNP may have said is irrelevant to anything.
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@ninetalesxyo8842 "So like it or not Scotland would be out of the EU regardless." - Your so called "logic" is nonsense. In 2014 Scotland voted TO REMAIN in the EU. The ONLY reason they are now out of the EU is because Westminster BETRAYED SCOTLAND and undermined the ENTIRE REASON they voted "no". Anyway it is obvious you are not very logical and are only arguing from your prejudices. Some things can't be fixed so I will stop trying with you.
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Breaking News: Keep wearing the tin foil hat because the commies can read brainwaves.
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Cymro 65 If I was to guess I would think that by then the UK will have re-aligned with the EU (a comprehensive FTA if not yet a member) and the UK will have moved back closer together while retaining their sovereignty - made possible by all being in the same Customs Union with the EU (much like Ireland/Northern Ireland today).
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@MGazT What is your point? You said nothing that disagrees with what I said.
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