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Comments by "Lelly Parker" (@lellyparker) on "David Cameron: Boris Johnson behaved "appallingly" during Brexit campaign" video.
Brexit was a protest vote against David Cameron and Austerity and it was for people offering unobtainable fairy tales instead. If he gets involved now against "no-deal" it will only make people want "no-deal" even more. A lot of people want whatever Cameron doesn't want regardless if it causes them more harm than good. Cameron's Austerity broke the country and this is the result - a lot of people would commit economic self-harm as long as it makes Cameron (and anyone who appears to be on the same side) feel bad.
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@Nickle314 No, the debt pile was created by USA banks acting irresponsibly and Gordon Brown failing to recognize how invested British banks were in bad US debt. But it is immaterial to the fact that poor people should never have been made to foot the bill and forcing them to do so made David Cameron very unpopular. Hence when he said we should stay in the EU the general public decided they wanted to leave the EU. So much so they swallowed all the ridiculous lies and misrepresentations that the Leave Campaign presented them with.
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@mhffc "So if Brexit was a protest against austerity are you saying that Reamianers are pro austerity." - No, I am not saying that at all. 50% of the population could not be considered "the privileged minority". The "privileged minority" are the very ones who Brexit might benefit (tax avoidance, deregulation of big business, investments in the US...). The fact is that the chief Brexiteer politicians are the most austerity-centric. The specific Austerity measures taken by the government are based in ultra right-wing philosophy (cut public spending, dismantle public institutions). Leave Voters literally voted against the very thing they were protesting against. Remainers, on the other hand, are (according to statistics) younger people and/or better educated people. Obviously people who travel and who have friends/family in other European countries. People with a broader worldly outlook in general. People not taken in by populist rhetoric and nationalistic flag-waving.
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@Nickle314 "Bullshit" - Why don't you read up on what caused the financial crisis that lead to Austerity in the UK? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%932008 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkxl8na9gE8
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@mhffc You can't take specific examples and expect them to be representative of the whole group. Statistics don't work like that. Statistically the higher the level of education the more likely you were to vote remain. It doesn't matter who you personally know who has a degree. That doesn't change the figures overall. Also plenty of young people voted https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/09/young-people-referendum-turnout-brexit-twice-as-high Also this idea you have that remainers are pro-austerity is nonsense . And this idea you have that the EU is some kind of "undemocratic superstate" proves that you have been manipulated by populist rhetoric. It is an OBJECTIVE FACT that the EU is not a "superstate" and it is not "undemocratic" in any respect.
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@mhffc Don't be manipulated by mere words. The EU is a council of states or a cooperation of governments . It doesn't have a "President" itself. But there are institutions within the EU that do each have "presidents" like the Council, Commission and Parliament. Obviously when you get more than one person in a room someone needs to direct the conversation - they "preside" over the proceedings. Every part of the EU is democratic. The European Council consists of the 28 democratically elected heads of the member states. The European Parliament consists of MEPs democratically elected by you and me (the people). The European Commission is democratically elected by the European Parliament from among candidates proposed by the European Council. So it is a very strong example of representative democracy and is more democratic than the British system. As to a European Army - so what? How is that different from NATO or the UN peace keeping force? Britain has opted out of joint military cooperation and would boycott any moves towards an army. That stuff is scare-mongering "project fear" used to manipulate people.
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@mhffc "The EU is planning to be another US, with countries becoming no more than states." - Not going to happen. And so what if it did? Britain could opt out then. No point in opting out just because of imaginary things that probably will never happen. Being a member means we could guarantee it didn't happen. The EU mainly needs to compete economically with the US/Russia/China. But also Donald Trump says the USA wants its "partners" to pay more for the military "help" they provides. That means either sending cash or troops to fight in US created wars. That is one reason the EU wants to be less dependent on the US for defense. That makes sense. But nothing can make Britain join in if we don't want to.
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