Comments by "Digital Nomad" (@digitalnomad9985) on "J-TV: Jewish Ideas. Global Relevance."
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If he does then the case falls apart. Protestantism created the modern libertarian west. We (Protestants) ended slavery; implemented religious freedom, political freedom, academic freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press FIRST, and thus caused the academic, scientific, technological, and material progress that followed; and most of the rest of the world hasn't caught up with it yet. John 8:32 "You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
You may claim that this all comes from the Tanakh, but if it had remained Jewish, it would not have impacted the world. We couldn't have done it without you, humanly speaking, but you never would have tried it without us.
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Actually, that was a German motto long predating the Nazi regime. The actual Nazi policy toward religion in general, and Christianity in particular was irreconcilably hostile. It is true that Hitler when he was a politician seeking office expressed certain pro-Christian statements. But in his private remarks to his officials he made it clear where he really stood as has been revealed by seized Nazi government documents and the notes of an author who planned to publish a collection of Hitler's remarks at the dinner table.
Dr Zoellner and [Catholic Bishop of Munster] Count Galen have tried to make clear to me that Christianity consists in faith in Christ as the son of God. That makes me laugh... No, Christianity is not dependent upon the Apostle's Creed... True Christianity is represented by the party, and the German people are now called by the party and especially the Fuehrer to a real Christianity... the Fuehrer is the herald of a new revelation."
— Hans Kerrl, Nazi Minister for Church Affairs, 1937
During the war Alfred Rosenberg formulated a thirty-point program for the National Reich Church, which included:
The National Reich Church claims exclusive right and control over all Churches.
The National Church is determined to exterminate foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800.
The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible.
The National Church will clear away from its altars all Crucifixes, Bibles, and pictures of Saints.
On the altars there must be nothing but "Mein Kampf" and to the left of the altar a sword.
Prior to the Reichstag vote for the Enabling Act under which Hitler gained legislative powers with which he went on to permanently dismantle the Weimar Republic, Hitler promised the Reichstag on 23 March 1933, that he would not interfere with the rights of the churches. However, with power secured in Germany, Hitler quickly broke this promise. Various historians have written that the goal of the Nazi Kirchenkampf (Church Struggle) entailed not only ideological struggle, but ultimately the eradication of the Churches. However, leading Nazis varied in the importance they attached to the Church Struggle.
William Shirer wrote that "under the leadership of Rosenberg, Bormann and Himmler, who were backed by Hitler, the Nazi regime intended to destroy Christianity in Germany, if it could, and substitute the old paganism of the early tribal Germanic gods and the new paganism of the Nazi extremists." During a speech on 27 October 1941, President Franklin D. Roosevelt revealed evidence of Hitler's plan to abolish all religions in Germany, declaring:
"Your government has in its possession another document, made in Germany by Hitler’s Government… It is a plan to abolish all existing religions—Catholic, Protestant, Mohammedan, Hindu, Buddhist, and Jewish alike. The property of all churches will be seized by the Reich and its puppets. The cross and all other symbols of religion are to be forbidden. The clergy are to be forever liquidated, silenced under penalty of the concentration camps, where even now so many fearless men are being tortured because they have placed God above Hitler."
Hitler himself possessed radical instincts in relation to the continuing conflict with the Catholic and Protestant Churches in Germany. Though he occasionally spoke of wanting to delay the Church struggle and was prepared to restrain his anti-clericalism out of political considerations, his "own inflammatory comments gave his immediate underlings all the license they needed to turn up the heat in the 'Church Struggle, confident that they were 'working towards the Fuhrer'". According to the Goebbels Diaries, Hitler hated Christianity. In an 8 April 1941 entry, Goebbels wrote "He hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity."
In Bullock's assessment, though raised a Catholic, Hitler "believed neither in God nor in conscience", retained some regard for the organizational power of Catholicism, but had contempt for its central teachings, which he said, if taken to their conclusion, "would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure". (Bullock wrote.)
In Hitler's eyes, Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves; he detested its ethics in particular. Its teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle and the survival of the fittest.
— Extract from Hitler: A Study in Tyranny, by Alan Bullock
Writing for Yad Vashem, the historian Michael Phayer wrote that by the latter 1930s, church officials knew that the long-term aim of Hitler was the "total elimination of Catholicism and of the Christian religion", but that given the prominence of Christianity in Germany, this was necessarily a long-term goal. According to Bullock, Hitler intended to destroy the influence of the Christian churches in Germany after the war. In his memoirs, Hitler's chief architect Albert Speer recalled that when drafting his plans for the "new Berlin", he consulted Protestant and Catholic authorities, but was "curtly informed" by Hitler's private secretary Martin Bormann that churches were not to receive building sites. Kershaw wrote that, in Hitler's scheme for the Germanization of Eastern Europe, he made clear that there would be "no place in this utopia for the Christian Churches'.
Geoffrey Blainey wrote that Hitler and his Fascist ally Mussolini were atheists. "The aggressive spread of atheism in the Soviet Union alarmed many German Christians", wrote Blainey, and with the Nazis becoming the main opponent of Communism in Germany: "[Hitler] himself saw Christianity as a temporary ally, for in his opinion 'one is either a Christian or a German'. To be both was impossible. Nazism itself was a religion, a pagan religion, and Hitler was its high priest... Its high altar [was] Germany itself and the German people, their soil and forests and language and traditions". Nonetheless, a number of early confidants of Hitler detailed the Führer's complete lack of religious belief. One close confidant, Otto Strasser, disclosed in his 1940 book, Hitler and I, that Hitler was a true disbeliever, succinctly stating: Hitler is an atheist.
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"New" atheists are always reasoning in a circle in the same way. They equivocate over their own proprietary definitions of words, which contain their desired conclusion in the defintion, then reason in a circle. Always the same fallacy.
"Evidence is natural (within our universe)… god is supernatural (outside our universe). You can’t have evidence (natural) for god (supernatural)"
One entity being in one realm does not automatically exclude influence from an entity in another realm. Ukraine exists inside its borders. Russia existed outside Ukraine's borders. It DOES NOT FOLLOW that Russia can't invade Ukraine. EVERYTHING we use the word "supernatural" to refer to ALWAYS means effects within the material/physical world from outside the material/physical. If we would except your definition, then we would have to conclude that God is not supernatural, because the definition of God does not correspond to your definition of the category "supernatural". This is how you know your definition is nonsense. You start by assuming what you're pretending to prove, then reason in a circle.
"We can demonstrate the universe wasn't created."
Do it.
"it is eternal"
The current consensus of cosmology is that the Universe, including all matter, energy, and time itself as a physical entity began with the Big Bang tens of billions of years ago.
"supernatural is by definition not a part of our universe."
If you define "universe" to exclude the non-material/physical, then the supernatural has a part of itself outside the universe. It does not follow that the material/physical cannot be affected by things outside it. If you define "universe" to be all that can be in evidence, then it includes anything that interacts with it, including the supernatural. Again, equivocation over the definition of words never proved a thing in the history of human discourse.
"The 4 Laws of Thermodynamics alone disprove creationism."
The Second Law of Thermodynamics proves that the universe isn't eternal. Laws never disprove legislators.
"You aren’t a Physicist, I am."
If you were a physicist, you would know that the cosmological consensus is that the universe began.
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jzherfph chsinkkle "The bible, like the quran, is mideast TRASH." [sic]
Protestantism created the modern libertarian west. We (Protestants) implemented religious freedom, political freedom, academic freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press FIRST, and thus caused the academic, scientific, technological, and material progress that followed; and most of the rest of the world hasn't caught up with it yet. John 8:32 "You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
"I want all three monotheisms incinerated."
So did Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro and every other authoritarian regressive atheist jerk in history.
"You need a book???"
The Bible does clarify some moral laws, but most reasonable people know without it that there is a moral standard and that they fall short of it. The Bible tells you what to do about it.
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"The gospels blame the Jews"
It's the gospels that record that the Romans executed Jesus. Christian theology says MAN'S SIN necessitated the crucifixion.
It is not in Israel's or Jews' interest to cultivate across-the-board enmity and suspicion of Christianity. I am, of course, aware of a long history of Christian (mostly Catholic) persecution of Jews. But today Protestant evangelicals are the only external bloc of friends Israel or Jews have, and to have Jews react to their friends as to enemies will only make things easier for their (largely OUR) real enemies. Not all Zionists were or are Jews, and Christian Zionists had a hand in the restoration of Israel. We are the main reason that antisemitism has less of a free hand in the US than elsewhere. Go to your local Holocaust museum and see who was hiding Jews from the SS in occupied Europe. (Most Protestants in those days were what would now be called evangelical.) Neither is it a coincidence that the US, with the highest proportion of evangelicals in the West, is the first nation that recognized Israel and is the UN member state that votes against all of those nastygram "resolutions" the riff-raff keep hurling at Israel, and supports Israel's defense with vouchers for the purchase of American weapons.
By dint of education, personal history, and personal interest I am quite knowledgeable about Christian theology and our Bible. There is no such teaching as you imagine and the New Testament is not hostile to Jews. It is regarded as heretical by Rabbinical Judaism, but that's another matter. The existence and flourishing of Israel is an agreeable development to Christian eschatology, for reasons which I suppose would not interest you. I have grown used to the fact that a major pastime of enthusiastic non-evangelical dilettantes is explaining my religion to me as to a child. One develops a thick skin. If our existence offends you, that is no reason to project a reciprocal sentiment onto us.
A major charity to which Christians contribute is The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews which, as one might suspect, is a Charity whereby Christians give humanitarian aid to Jews in situ wherever and help them migrate to Israel from places where they suffer hardship. Aside from US military aid, US Christians are materially and politically supporting Jews and Israel in many ways, and the only Jew that deigns to notice is Dennis Prager. I am not so knowledgeable about the demographic situation in Europe, etc., but in the US, support for Israel correlates strongly with conservative-evangelical-Republican, while hostility to Israel correlates with leftist-atheist-Democrat, even among ethnic Jews. Surely a supporter of Israel has noticed being embraced by Republican presidents and shunned by Democrat ones? Knowing who one's friends are is both a mental health and a survival skill. It is timely to cultivate this, because the mid-term forecast is for rough weather, for us as well as for Jews.
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