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  2. There's a lot that this video doesn't touch on from the book. For starters, you spend a lot of time dissecting Nietzsche's critique of Christianity, but that's not the real criticism Nietzsche has in Beyond Good and Evil. His real critique is of dogma, and especially dogma to Platonism, which he asserts Christianity is the foremost example of. So his real challenge is pointed at Plato, who has dominated the realm of philosophy for millennia. He sees that Plato went beyond the ideas of Socrates and crafted a philosophy and system of values in a way that matches what you call "perspectivism." Nietzsche thinks Plato shifted philosophy away from the pre-Socratics on purpose to create his own values, and as such, Nietzsche seeks a return to the pre-Socratic philosophy which will lead to the actual truth of things. Another important thing is that Nietzsche points out that culture, and values in particular, are temporal. He uses the analogy of a Greek play to showcase this: the audience sees the costumes that the actors wear and laugh at it, ridiculing the culture and values of past cultures. However, they fail to realize that they also wear "costumes" themselves. Only when this is realized can a new set of values be created, and the philosopher of the future can join Nietzsche in his nakedness, free of values and embodying truth. This new creation of values has become possible due to cosmopolitanism, which allows the study of cultures and values more freely. All people need to do is realize their own costumes. Speaking of values, Nietzsche points out that it was Judaism, not Christianity, that inverted values. Judaism is what established slave morality over master morality; Christianity took those values and spread them across the world. However, Nietzsche admires Judaism because is created its own values, something that he seeks to achieve himself (or at least get someone else to do). Thus, Nietzsche seeks to reinstate master morality, and values greatness and nobility over piety and chastity. The last thing I will mention is that Nietzsche ridiculed nationalism. He broke off his relationship with Wagner because of German nationalism. Nietzsche saw that history had trended towards a united world, and nationalism was undermining it. To elaborate, Nietzsche saw that living conditions were continuously growing throughout history, from villages, to cities, to countries. The next step in the progression in his mind is a united Europe. So he essentially foresaw the EU and UN and other leagues. It doesn't take genius to foresee that the next step is a united world.
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  25. If that were the case, you would see that social animals are indeed not as hippie-like as you make them sound. Take other apes, for instance: tribalism is something that exists in all animals, but in primates, it can lead to actual wars, such as with chimps. Additionally, apes are capable of inflicting extreme pain and suffering on each other with their hierarchies; Franz de Waal notes it with chimps (in his book Our Inner Ape, he reports a case of one male crushing the testes of an older one and leaving him to bleed out and die, within a zoo, where they are notably more tame), and Robert Sapolsky notes it with baboons (with his studies on stress levels in apes). Gorillas, as polygamous species, follow suit, with the silverback monopolizing mating resources and harming other males to prevent competition. But then there is the counter example of social grooming (even though the apes with higher status are groomed more often) as a bonding event within groups, exogamy, and of course, bonobos who are much less violent and use sex as a means of solving issues, fitting the bill of a hippie status, hence their nickname as such. Humans are capable of following through each of these behaviors. We are complex and have hormones and social needs and cues that guide behaviors. As such, it would seem that we need to take into account the capability of both types of behaviors instead of focusing on one or the other for political reasons. It is my opinion that much of it could be subject to the social milieu in which we are born, yet there will always be that biological factor that underlies behaviors that needs to find a responsible outlet, something our society has failed to account for.
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  49. If I may contribute a little more, Cahokia's emergence is now thought to be a result of migrations to the area and a great hodgepodge of ideas. Caddo and people from the Lower Mississippi Valley, alongside traditional Woodland peoples, coalesced and it led to a big bang. They originally likely took religious pilgrimages to the nearby Emerald Mound. What led to the big bang was likely Mound 72 and the great bead burial, which is thought to be a great performative tableau representing heroic mythological figures, so in essence, it was a reenactment of a cosmological myth that created a polity for people to stay around. The new order has a lot of original creations, as mentioned in the video, but also takes and borrows from other cultures. Either way, the hinterlands had plenty of mound and village sites, and several of these were nodes for Cahokia to reinforce authority with their architecture of power (L and T shaped buildings and circular storage/sweat lodges), holding ceremonies and rituals to bring together communities under one ideology. Pauketat makes the case that the environment changed and the steam based religion stopped functioning, leading to Cahokia changing form around 1200, building a palisade and ceasing trade to the north. Here is when Mississippian iconography really took off at the site, because before this it was uniquely Cahokian. After no longer being able to uphold their religious order and due to warfare, as well as differences in seasonality and rain that rendered the esoteric knowledge associated with them moot, people started migrating away. The brief experiment in people valuing individualized elites (a product unknowingly consented to through major mound construction most likely) gave way to the more communal values and systems of the past.
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  51.  @mashumichelle  "demonstrably" huh? First off, what do you mean by religion? Second, do you mean all religions, including Taoism, Buddhism, Stoicism, etc.? Third, how is it demonstrable? Is it the sense of community that it fosters, the philanthropic accomplishments, civic activism, the moral compass that guides behavior, or the hope and peace of mind it provides? Furthermore, I can tell you've only selectively cherry picked that which fits your own agenda, and have ignored the things you are dogmatic to. I don't have to know you personally to know how you think and what you revere; you're no different than thousands of others in the world, many of whom I've had this exact conversation. So I'll repeat the same lines I give them: all forms of epistemology and ontology have been abuses for terrible ends throughout history. Have you ever heard of Juan Gines de Sepulveda? He used philosophy from Aristotle to argue that indigenous people in the Americas should be destroyed and/or enslaved. How about someone like Herbert Spencer, Earnest Hooton, Samuel Morton, Francis Galton, Josef Mengele, and researchers all throughout the twentieth century who committed or justified all sorts of atrocities in the name of science and its advancement? How about people like Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, and so many others who slaughtered millions or forced thousands to migrate out of the same anti-theist dogma that you profess? And don't even get me started on the many unprovable assumptions that are required for a belief in science in the first place... You and your likeminded echo chamber are not exempt from atrocities throughout history, and you are not exempt from the same pitfalls that all worldviews share. The fundamental problem with all of them is an assumption of superiority to the followers, and inferiority to the others. You're no different. How about that for "free thinking"?
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  58.  @seansmith3058  I think things will balance out because people will find the two extremes to be infeasible. We have experienced the one extreme for the past few centuries in the form of pure rationality, and in reaction to that, we will likely have a little while of pure emotion (I can't estimate how long though). However, I think people will find that neither by themselves can properly explain everything about humanity and phenomenology, leading to a reconciliation where both rationality and irrationality are used simultaneously. At least, I hope this is the case, because I think both extremes can be disastrous for us. I find evidence for this stance in examining the history of political movements. Where there is an era of progressivism, it is followed by an era of traditionalism, and vice versa. I am unsure, though, if there is a balance between those two extremes, so we may just be in an endless cycle of that. If there is a golden mean, it will require a revolutionary country to set the standard for everyone else to follow on a global scale. But I digress; to summarize, I think there has been some dialectical aspect to history. Things have been like a metronome or seesaw, back and forth at different extremes. You are probably asking how this leads me to thinking a balance can be made, since this evidence tends to show the opposite. With the ancients, Reason/philosophy reigned, then with the medievals, irrationality/theology reigned (I hesitate to say "irrational" here because they did use philosophy to argue for their religions - Aquinas, Averroes, Erasmus, Calvin, were all philosophic - but they all stopped their questioning at a certain point). Now we have seen rationality/science reign, to be replaced by irrationality/post-truth. Doesn't this seem to imply that there will be no balance, and everything continues to follow the reactionary, dialectical model? Yes, it does, up to our moment and the near future. However, I cannot comprehend where the next stage will be, after Post-Truth, if it continues on this model. Perhaps this is an issue on my end then; and I would be unable to deny that possibility. What I think, though, is that we will have seen the strengths and weaknesses of both sides, that reason is too powerful a tool not to use and that irrational intuitions serve their purposes as well, and decide that we cannot return to any of the ways of the past in their entirety, as a whole extreme by itself. We will not be able to embrace philosophy alone once again, nor religion alone. That leaves two options then: forge a new way of understanding beyond rationality and irrationality, or to combine the two. I cannot think of what the former might be, so the latter seems the only real solution. There are a whole lot of thoughts I have on the "hows" of this approach. One is the structuring of the psyche, like in Plato's Republic, except a Venn diagram perhaps, and a reintroduction of telos and teleology. One is using Nietzsche's approach and making each man master of himself (which could be post-truth to an extent too. I also have a very big hang up with this approach, but that's another topic). But I think the most fitting would be something from Dostoevsky: to be able to combine impulse or instinct with prudence, solving the existential, intellectual, and free-choice anxiety that the Underground Man suffers. In other words, to make each person both a man of thought and a man of action.
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  105. The great thing about comment sections of videos of this type are the accumulation of faux free thinkers. The googling of relevant quotes and the echo chamber of ideas would lead one to think that perhaps if so many people are so inclined towards thinking there is a problem in the world, that at least one would go about seeking a change. However, that has not been the case. Why is that? Why do the people preaching "dangerous freedom over peaceful safety" in the comments live by the latter in all circumstances except the anonymous comment section on YouTube? Because they know it a lie; these weakest of men, these Last Men, embody nothing more than what the Grand Inquisitor preaches in the Brothers Karamazov - bread and circus for their peace. These so-called free thinkers preach from their pulpit, but when they are challenged to come forth and practice what they preach, none dare step forward. They are sheep in their own accord, where joining a herd and following is easy, but creating their own or becoming a shepherd is outside of their capabilities. They will speak in unison with their group, as seen in these comments, but will not do so when the cards are on the table. Am I to derive hope from these comments, seeing people profess their concerns? Or despair, knowing they will neither take action nor formulate ideas outside of the anonymity of YouTube? To the topic at hand then: the conflict of utilitarian morality and the western liberal metanarrative. How strange it is, first, that both of our contemporary conceptions of these ideas originated in England. To take a page from both Aristotle and Marx, it appears that democracy and liberal thought forged the weapons that would be their undoing. To clarify the two positions, for those very few who will read this: utilitarian morals seeks the most good for the most people, knowing that not everyone can be satisfied. So if 51% of people derive benefit from an action but 49% do not, then the utilitarian view would follow through with said action for the "common good." Liberalism, on the contrary, values each and every individual as equals, personified by the motto "a good soldier never leaves a man behind." When practical politics come into play, the liberal perspective runs into pitfalls. How is it that you can satisfy every individual equally? The only way is by unanimity. However, we all know this is not feasible. The amount of time taken to continuously compromise to satisfy everyone would be the death knell of the government itself. In other words, is the soldier really good if he goes to save one comrade and ends up jeopardizing and killing the entire platoon? If one who is dogmatic to liberalism were to ponder on this issue for longer, they would also come to the horrifying realization that we have been living under utilitarianism the whole time. Democracy in itself is utilitarianism incarnate; for aren't the majority the only ones who see the benefits of such a system? To allude to Rousseau, the general will decides what is good for it, and everyone else is "forced to be free." Furthermore, such provisions are the established goals of the US government, as established in the preamble of the constitution: "promote the general welfare." The one rebuke that will undoubtedly be bleated to no end is: "Look at how collectivism caused such destruction in the 20th century; it will never work!" There are several rebuttals to this claim. One is, if the liberal system were perfect, why did we see (and continue to see) people attempt to be rid of it? You may retort "because people are ambitious and power-hungry." Nay, they have seen through a flawed system, or were part of the minority group that did not reap the benefits of the liberal system, and instead seek something more just, or more effective. Another rebuttal is the issue of overcoming dogma. The West has dogmatically accepted liberalism, rights, and individuality for centuries. Where can one find any rights in nature? There was license perhaps. Where have we ever seen humans, or even primates or hominids, ever live as individuals? They have always been a part of a community. So why is there such reverence for the falsehoods of liberalism? Because it has been ingrained, and it makes the individual feel important. So when there were attempts to shed the yoke, of course there was resistance. The last rebuttal I will mention is the flaw of using the words "can't" or "won't." Just because something has not worked, does not mean it cannot or will not work. When you were learning to ride a bike and fell off, scraping your knees and elbows, did you forever give up on learning? Even then, one only has to take a quick glance at history to see that there have been collectivist, utilitarian regimes with success, some we call the greatest civilizations in history: Sparta and Rome. One can not help but to look in awe at the Horatii and be envious of their civic nationalism, or their devotion to a higher cause that gives them purpose. These things are not found in liberal societies, lest those in these comments would have already taken the role of Brutus. Just so this little sheep is not left out of its herd, here is my pertinent, researched (but sadly not via Google) quote on the topic: "... a dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people, than under the forbidding appearance of zeal for the firmness and efficiency of government. History will teach us, that the former has been found a much more certain road to the introduction of despotism, than the latter, and that of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics the greatest number have begun their career, by paying an obsequious court to the people, commencing Demagogues and ending Tyrants." - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist No. 1
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  133.  @romanr1592  you've got this idea that anarchism somehow means licentiousness, or acting without any sort of regulation period. That's not at all what it means; it only seeks to place human life back into a context without a state, no more, no less. If you were to look up each form of anarchism, they each have some way to make decisions and to guide life. However, power is always back into the hands of the people directly in one form or another. I already acknowledged in my previous reply that it's impossible for humans to live in such a way as to not have values, customs, mores, etc. that guide their living. Plus, there will always be the laws of physics and logic that govern all things. This idea you've got in your head is not accurate to anarchism. And yes, customs and majorities can be just as tyrannical as any state potentially, but they also leave room for a more beneficent approach as well. I fail to see how my stating that humans are not rational does not prove my case, or how it applies to my case whatsoever. The major ideologies of our time, Marxism, Capitalism, and Science, view humans as acting in rational self interest, or homo economicus. Game theory assumes the same thing, otherwise you would have no basis to infer human behavior on. The thing is, people are apt to do things that are harmful, or picking things that would be less beneficial than the alternatives. For instance, why am I here, typing this out to you, when I could be reading for my thesis? The cost-benefit analysis approach would make everyone act as a machine. But as Dostoyevsky says, men are not keys to a piano. These theories do not factor in fun, play, emotions, ADHD, procrastination, religious fervor, or whatever else may guide people away from their material benefit. In truth, humans are not so predictable, and any theory that seeks to oversimplify human behavior fails to acknowledge the irrationality inherent within, simply because it's not always possible to predict it. So when you want to predict that anarchism will always fail because someone will act in rational self interest and seize power, you first must assume that it would be in their interest at all to attain power, much less that it would even be beneficial, especially since societies without states had levelling mechanisms to prevent such things from occurring, and the values to back it up.
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  144.  @FoxyFemBoi  so how does being depressed remove autonomy? Who determines that? Are you saying that people with mental health issues should not have agency? Isn't treating people with mental health issues differently reinforcing the hierarchy of "normal" people? Furthermore, you want to tie autonomy into rationality; in other words, you think someone only is allowed autonomy when they are capable of rationally making decisions. Who determines when that is? I further challenge you and ask: how often are we actually rational? Or are we more inclined to act on gut impulse and then rationalize our decisions afterwards? And is hyperrationality good in the first place? To add on one more thing as an edit here: the "competency" thing of an expert is an appeal to authority fallacy, is it not? Plus, that line of thinking only applies if the expert has our best interest in mind, but how can we prove that? Is it fair to just assume they always do? Lastly, if a community imposes their will to inhibit individual autonomy, that is no better than living under a dictator. Tyranny is tyranny, no matter if it's from one person or from many. Majoritarian democracy is just as bad, if not worse, than a dictatorship. Going against the social mores is damaging to the soul and suffocates any individual thinking or behavior, whereas going against a dictator harms the flesh but allows individual thinking. Alexis de Tocqueville discusses this plenty in Democracy in America. So is it really an anarchist society if 51% of the community does something the other 49% doesn't agree to? If my community all agree to go lynch someone and I am the only one who disagrees, am I somehow obligated to follow the crowd?
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  145.  @FoxyFemBoi  dogmatic to democracy, are we? If you refuse to see how letting a majority run rampant is a detriment, there's no point in arguing. Do you want autonomy or not? The only way you get autonomy in a majoritarian democracy is if you just so happen to follow the herd. Otherwise, you get ostracized and silenced, which in a democratic society, are worse than death. I have yet to do any slippery slopes. I've asked questions to test your premises. When you reply "anarchists wouldn't allow that specific example," you don't address the question of your premise. I could change the example repeatedly. The core of the issue is, should you blindly follow the majority, even if they go against your wishes? How often do mobs act rationally, since that is your standard? When it comes to trusting the experts, how far would you follow that logic? If there is someone who has studied political science and law, would you consider them an expert in said field? And if so, should we then allow them to lead because they would know how to do it better than anyone else? Again, how can we trust that experts at anything have our best interests at heart? Lastly, I fail to see the purpose of making accusations of political ideology, as if they negate arguments. Are we partaking in ad hominem? So what the founding fathers were ambivalent to democracy? Everyone prior to the red scare felt the same way. Do you think perhaps they had a reason for thinking such? The only way to prevent the majority from imposing on the majority would be to have small communities and consensus. Is it possible? Who knows anymore
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  204.  @roderickmathison5245  for one, that's not at all what science does. It's more like "huh, there's this thing that happens. I'm gonna come up with an idea about how this thing happens." Then, in an attempt to look formal, they create a "null" hypothesis where it's basically just "the negation of my theory." Then after some good old fashioned confirmation bias and data manipulation to suit their hypothesis (because getting published is all that matters), they publish their papers and it gets put into the world, never to be repeated or tested again, thus the current replication crisis. Second, the amount of staw man takes for religion is completely laughable. Of course, there has never ever been a logical or reasoned conclusion for the existence of God throughout all of history, nope, not even once. Just forget Aquinas, Augustine, Maimonides, and the plethora of other Abrahamic philosophers of the scholastic period just because it doesn't suit your argument (very fitting for a scientific person). Don't even get me started on your false equivalency either. Whenever someone proclaims a "false" idea, you don't change their mind by just yelling at them that they're wrong. Take flat earth people; they have some semblance of evidence, based on empirical observations no less. By just telling them that they're wrong and that their evidence is lacking, you accomplish nothing. That's why there is always counter evidence. Evidence is needed to prove points wrong. If I said "Carl Jung liked men," you wouldn't win an argument against me by simply stating I was wrong. You would win if you were able to provide evidence he had a wife or something similar, to which I could not rebuke. Furthermore, you make a claim, and instead of defending your claim, you simply say "provide me evidence to the contrary." That's what the entire antitheist position is based upon. You can't defend your own position. You do the very thing that theists do, yet you aren't at fault for some reason. It's both a double standard and an act of hypocrisy. In an actual debate, if people performed this tactic, it would be nothing more than a waste of time. Finally, your entire stance is built on the idea that the only knowable things of the universe are those things that are observable with human senses or machines. This concept is terribly flawed, and has been known to be so dating all the way back to Plato and possibly before. Stick a pencil in a cup of water; your senses tell you it's split in two. Walk along a road in a desert and you'll see a mirage that looks similar to water. Your eyesight is limited and can lie to you; this doesn't even consider the wavelengths of light that aren't even perceptible to humans. This applies to every one of your senses. Additionally, many things we agree exist are not perceptible. The consciousness - show me an image of it. You can't? It must not exist then. Show me proof that time exists. You can't? It must not exist. This can apply to any amount of things, but I hope you get the point, since you proclaim to be a rational free thinker. The only answer to the topic at hand is that we don't know. There's no use in pretending that we do.
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  211. I fear death. All I have known is my experiences and my consciousness. I cannot fathom what it would be like to not have those things, to not wake up one day to the sunshine, and that is a terrifying thought. Before anyone rails against me, yes I have had near death experiences, and yes I have been suicidal, both at very young ages. But since then, I have not grown comfortable with the idea of nothingness, but I have grown to try to distance myself from it, recognizing that I was a fool for desiring it, that there is so much worth experiencing and overcoming. WW1 didn't turn people into brave chads; it made them hopeless, valueless. They're called the Lost Generation for a reason. Why on earth you would willingly desire to put yourself through that, making yourself unable to enjoy the little pleasures and good things about living and being itself, is beyond me. Greatness and heroism are achieved through strife, and for that, you must first live, and you must first have something worth sacrificing. Your concern in this video is about something to die for, when perhaps you should examine what is worth living for. If this is truly our one and only chance to experience, don't cast it away willy nilly in pursuit of vain ideas of heroism. Of all the people who have died in battle, how many do we actually remember? Do you think those 18 year olds went out there without any fear whatsoever, or were their fears hidden and forgotten about in favor of a good story? Make your mark by influencing others; leave a lasting legacy to them not in how you die, but in how you lived.
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  212. As a response to myself, the idea of legacy itself is a Western development. There are many ways in which people seek to achieve immortality, eternity, permanence. The easiest, and one most people do, is to simply have children, to pass on your genes in a further push for eternity. Additionally, there is the creation of art, where fame can leave one's name around for eternity. Science seeks to find a very literal form of it through immortality, not too different from alchemists and the philosopher's stone. Then there are other cultures who view everything as a wheel, repeating forever, where we are to be reborn again and again, or take part in an eternal recurrence. Perhaps there is even an afterlife that our souls can live in forever, be it heaven, a spirit realm, Hades, etc. However, these things did not always exist. In ancient Mesopotamian views (including early biblical peoples), death was the end; that was it, you would turn back into dust, or sleep in the dark house of clay and dust, forever. There was no concept of legacy, permanence. You would have to turn back to ancient Greece and Egypt to find the origins of these ideas of immortality. They have stuck with us ever since, as "survivals" (in the words of Edward Burnett Tylor). It has become essentialized into our very worldview, part of our doxa. But if you really want the total view of death, you have to be aware of these things, the history of how we conceived of it. Otherwise it just sounds like an angry conservative rant about reminiscing on the good old days
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