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Comments by "" (@keitumetsemodipa3012) on "The Book EVERY Atheist Should Read" video.
@Diomedes99 Yeah, it's good stuff, where do you fall on the epistemology umbrella? I'm a coherentist, however I've been told that coherentists wouldn't accept my view for some reason I believe that worldview with the Christian God is coherent and the opposite is incoherent
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I don't know, the main issue is that these arguments won't make anyone a Muslim, arguing for a generic God won't get anyone anywhere they'll be an apostate faster than apostate Prophet For example in Christianity it's not enough to just hold the proposition that Yahweh is God, but you have to experience God and get a spiritual awakening, which ofcourse comes from repentance
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It's interesting that you point out that we can simply see that baby murdering is wrong, what makes you say that?🤔
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Interesting that you came to the conclusion that Jesus was saying we are all God I got that Jesus is God become man, in order that man may become God
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@Diomedes99 I'd go a step further and ask how can we know anything at all
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@Diomedes99 Fair enough I reject naturalism because it seems circular If there is nothing beyond the natural and the natural is used to prove this then I think Christians had no chance to begin with but neither do the naturalists because of the circularity
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@Diomedes99 I think a useful analogy is the metal detector on the beach. Imagine you’re holding a metal detector, and your buddy says there are seashells around. The metal detector is great for finding metal but won’t detect seashells. If you then say, “Well, my detector can’t find seashells, so they must not exist,” you’re missing the point. In the same way, I don’t think naturalism is equipped to claim anything about non-natural beings. Even worse, it struggles to justify itself—it’s circular to say, “All that exists is the natural world,” and then use the natural world to prove that claim. 😅
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@Diomedes99 it's not even an issue with lack of evidence it's that naturalism is circular
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@riadhrio551 I personally don't think Theism even exists maybe as some kind of classification but it's not a thing in reality I mean all these arguments lead to a useless God who doesn't give revelation, doesn't keep order / sustain creation etc so I don't think there's any justification to even say that I'm a theist, I mean once we start getting into the kinds of arguments that can be used by two different religions then we need to start raising eye brows, for example I could reason about and come to the conclusion that Christianity or Judaism is true and so I don't think it's enough to say one can reason their way to Islam, when that's true for other religions as well
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@riadhrio551 But then it's all relative anyone can make up a religion and say it's from God, and subsequently everyone can just say that the other religions are illogical
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@riadhrio551 This doesn't work because everything is theory laden, we all have a perspective which governs how we view things for example I'll talk to a Muslim about the Trinity and they'll often times tell me that the Trinity is illogical / a corruption -- However upon inspection they don't know the theology or tradition well enough to generate an inconsistency, hence I don't argue in that way, because ultimately it's an individual journey, however the methods of which you ascribe to fall into the issue of dealing with someone's paradigm much less the particulars of prophethood / miracles etc For example if I had a time machine and showed the people I travelled with, what the resurrection is they don't know how to interpret it, so it really ends up being who's interpretation of reality is true, not the religion per say, so all in all I may not believe that Islam is a true religion that doesn't matter if my interpretation of the truth isn't correct, there needs to be a solution to this before any religion / atheism is even a consideration
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