Comments by "Scott Charney" (@scottcharney1091) on "" video.
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@elkeater8672 No, the news media are not engaged in some kind of conspiracy to divide Americans. "We" have never been united, despite people (apparently like you) telling the marginalized to "know their place" and not get "uppity."
Many (most?) of those arrested are being charged with offenses somewhat more serious than trespassing, but many more are in trouble for attempts to obstruct official proceedings, i.e. stop the certification of the election. More still are charged with various violent crimes, some have weapons charges, and some are charged with conspiracy to do all of the above and more. The attackers came very close to killing lawmakers (and staff), stopping certification of the election entirely, and causing a constitutional crisis. This was a coup attempt, or a putsch at minimum, and numerous respected analysts have characterized it this way.
Yes, five people died outright. Babbitt was shot by a Capitol Police officer while breaching the penultimate barrier to the House Chamber, where some legislators and staffers were trapped. Sicknick was beaten and sprayed with chemical irritants, which according to the M.E./coroner contributed to his subsequent stroke. One attacker died of an amphetamine overdose, and two others of natural causes. Two officers killed themselves soon after the events, as did one of the accused attackers (whose charges were light, as it happens). Over 140 people were hospitalized, mostly police. Some of their injuries were maiming, such as loss of fingers, loss of an eye, traumatic brain injuries, etc.
I don't like the neoliberal capitalist news media like those you named any more than you do, but those aren't the only places where one can find objective facts about this event. Fake/false news refers to clickbait sites that impersonate professional news organs, not corporate news outlets that you don't like. It's depressing to see that "do some/your own research" has come to mean "look up nonsense on conspiracy sites and pass it around on Facebook," but here we are.
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@elkeater8672 Let's try this again. Babbitt was shot. Another woman overdosed on amphetamines. Two more attackers died of natural causes, and another offed himself soon afterward. A couple dozen or so went to the hospital. On the other side, Sicknick was beaten and sprayed with chemicals, and the medical staff say that this is a major contributing factor in his stroke. Two cops killed themselves in the ensuing days, and over 140 were sent to the hospital, some with permanent, maiming injuries.
I don't know why you're trying to deny these facts. Here's another: The election was fine. There was no "steal" (which is not a noun, but never mind) to stop, and no cause to even delay the certification (you're too generous). There was no fraud. There's no evidence for it, and it's frankly ludicrous that there are ongoing attempts to demonstrate otherwise. And yet, court documents for most of the arrestees, and communications beforehand, made their plans clear.
I know Marxists. The Democrat Party is a neoliberal capitalist imperialist party, often conservative by the standards of other industrialized countries, and Marxists can't abide it. Leftists of any flavor feel scorn for liberals, and rightly so. To pick just one example, and maybe not the best one, liberals are the types who wear bright vests and act as "peacekeepers/marshals" at protests, telling others what to do and making sure that nothing much is accomplished. And yet, I perpetually have to defend Democrats and other liberals, not because I am any fan of theirs, but because the attacks on them from the right are so wack.
Regarding your "whataboutism," I've already explained the false equivalence. Regarding the violence, most of the deaths and injuries were the work of police, vigilantes, and apolitical lumpen. In a world where property is valued more highly than people are, property destruction is a legitimate tactic. See the Sons of Liberty, who wore disguises and destroyed corporate property in Boston Harbor. (They also tore down a statue of King George III, melted it, and made bullets from the metal.) I don't agree with some of the targets, and I'd like to think that that sort of thing was the work of the lumpen I mentioned above, but as for places like Gucci, screw them.
I don't know what alleged bigotry and hate you're referring to, but I'm almost afraid to ask.
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@elkeater8672 Kevin Greeson's heart attack was evidently triggered by all the excitement; he had become a hothead with high blood pressure, on the scene due to believing lies: https://www.propublica.org/article/the-radicalization-of-kevin-greeson
Something similar happened to Brian Philips, who had founded a Trumpist business, believed falsehoods, and pushed himself too far on that day: https://www.sungazette.com/news/2021/01/veterans-on-each-side-of-the-divide-among-capitol-mob-dead/
Could the two of them, and Boyland for that matter, have suffered their medical emergencies elsewhere? Of course, that's possible, but the connection to the violence is obvious, especially in Boyland's case.
As for Brian Sicknick, you're right that the early reporting regarding his death was in error. He wasn't one of the cops who were hit by the fire extinguisher, and while he was blasted with bear spray, he didn't have an allergic reaction to that. His stroke, however, did not just happen out of the blue. The M.E. made it clear that "all that transpired played a role in his condition." In other words, the attack pushed his system over the edge: https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20210420-police-officer-in-capitol-riot-died-from-natural-causes-says-coroner
Howard Liebengood's suicide seems to be directly connected to the attack: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/capitol-police-officers-widow-suicide-death-declared-line/story?id=76541480
The same seems to be true for Jeffrey Smith, who was injured in the attack: https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-01-27/second-officer-commits-suicide-after-responding-to-capitol-siege
I would be very surprised if Christopher Stanton Georgia's suicide was unconnected to his arrest at the events of January 6th, inasmuch as he shot himself four days later. He may have been facing relatively minor charges, but that's beside the point: https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/alpharetta-man-arrested-in-capitol-riots-found-dead-in-home
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