Comments by "Scott Charney" (@scottcharney1091) on "ABC News"
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@kimbercustompro1911 Sure. A coup attempt is an attempt to topple a government by extra-legal means, with or without violence. There's also the phenomenon of a "self-coup" or "auto-coup," in which a sitting government essentially does the same thing to the opposition, in order to remain in power. On January 6th, the attackers attempted to prevent the certification of (and indeed overturn) a legitimate election, which would have theoretically allowed Trump to remain in power indefinitely. The attackers came very close to lynching lawmakers & other personnel (no, this does not need to involve hanging; that's a common misconception), which would have sharply worsened the ensuing Constitutional crisis. Serious people do not dispute that; it's clearly demonstrated by primary sources, along with the words and actions by many of the attackers demonstrating their planning ahead of time, and the many others who began to cooperate with said plans on the spot.
I'm not sure why you stress successful attempts. It's the principle of the thing. The attempt that we're talking about could almost certainly not have succeeded in the medium term, based on what we observed that day. Most of the police fought bravely, while others seemed to collaborate with the attackers; I'm actually surprised by the former. The unarmored police in the hallway outside the House Chamber had their pistols drawn and were ready to use them, as one did.
With that said, note that some of the attackers have been busted with firearms, not to mention all of their abundant melee weapons & stolen shields. Gossip from the Pentagon is that they were tired of Trump's actions, and they swear an oath to the Constitution, not to any particular administration. Mayor Bowser hates Trump and could have called upon many more police; note also that the police from Arlington & Alexandria VA were very uncomfortable with their role in helping with Trump's forceful clearing of Lafayette Plaza to hold that bizarre photo op. Besides all of that, Trump is very unpopular in the District and in the closest suburbs; people seem to forget that many liberals own firearms, and genuine leftists own many, many more!
So, as I wrote, it's the principle of the thing. You wanted similar examples, so here: Bolivia's 1946 coup was the work of a mob. Germany saw several coup attempts by private citizen militant groups in the years between the World Wars; beginning with the Spartacist League on the left in 1919, and continuing on the right with Freikorps and allied groups trying the same thing the following year, and of course the Nazis' Beer Hall Putsch in 1923. Ten years later, Chancellor Hitler's self-coup gave him absolute power. Mussolini's Blackshirts were successful in 1922, and a new generation of the Italian far-right tried the same thing in 1970. There was the attempt by the PLO in Jordan in 1970, and, amazingly, UK suffragists were planning a coup in 1913!
There are other examples, but you get the idea. This is a much bigger deal than run-of-the-mill rioting.
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@kimbercustompro1911 Yes, I have watched the footage, lots of it, and the attackers breached several doors and windows, opened others from the inside, and brutally tried to force their way into another (the infamous clash at the tunnel). I don't smoke meth, in fact I'm straight-edge. The footage is awash in brutal hand-to-hand combat, and I am a little concerned that I have to tell you this. Over 600 have been arrested, and most of those were released to attend future court dates. Of those who remain in custody, they have indeed been charged (why do you think that they haven't??), and are going through the legal process (with some already pleading guilty). The method of the coup attempt does have precedents, and your last sentence is projection, or at least just a case of you not knowing what you're talking about.
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@barberman2737 You don't know what you're talking about. For one thing, some countries have free passage between them- most of the EU, for example. For another, they aren't "just staying." They're asking for asylum, and being processed. For another, "stay and fix their own country" is the kind of thing that people said to some of my ancestors, and probably some of yours as well. It's even worse when US foreign policy, trade policy, etc. are a big part of what causes people to flee in the first place. Migration is a boon, not a burden, which is why expediting the work permits is so important. Also: *its.
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@Funnyfresh420 Is there any reason to doubt the accounts of fecal matter being tracked/spread around? To be sure, I would definitely like to get testimony from cleaning crew members, police, and anyone else who would have encountered it. Regarding Sicknick, the initial reporting about the fire extinguisher came from police sources, but in any case he was definitely sprayed with chemicals. Diaz, the M.E., clearly stated that the events still led to Sicknick's death, since such levels of stress and trauma can trigger strokes. Indeed, the legendary Dr. Cyril Wecht says that the death could be classified as accidental, a homicide, or undetermined.
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@MladenVass Statues are erected to honor someone, in various contexts. That's not in dispute. Most of the Confederate statues in the US were erected during periods of civil rights agitation, in order to intimidate Black Americans and anyone supporting them. They are monuments to white supremacy, and this was made clear in (for example) the speeches made at their dedications: https://hgreen.people.ua.edu/transcription-carr-speech.html
The effect hasn't somehow gone away.
The Sons of Liberty toppled a statue of King George III, melted it down, and made bullets out of it. Were they wrong to do so?
In 1956, when Hungarian rebels rose up against the Stalinist regime, they toppled statues of Stalin and his cronies, took symbols of the regime out of flags, etc. At the end of the Cold War, many Soviet and Warsaw Pact statues/symbols did come down, in particular statues honoring hated spy boss Felix Dzerzhinsky. Yes, making the Nazi salute or displaying the flag is a felony in Germany, among other places. In fact, several European countries ban display of Communist iconography.
Yes, I know my history.
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@Virusskeptic-d3z A video made by some yahoo is not empirical evidence. Besides, that assertion also demonstrates an ignorance of basic statistics (pretty common these days). Since the pool of vaccinated people is much, much larger than that of the unvaccinated, there are far more people to draw from, if you will. Overall numbers of infections are much lower, the severity of said infections is much weaker, and thus the death toll is much smaller. Yes, a numerical majority of the much-smaller-than-before number of deaths in a given time might well have been among vaccinated people, but a larger percentage of the unvaccinated will have been infected, with worse consequences, up to and including death.
The virus is still going around, and it's still killing people, but far fewer than before (and the severe, life-long consequences of the infection are greatly weakened). This is due to the effectiveness of the vaccines. There is no empirical, peer-reviewed scientific evidence to suggest otherwise.
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@miked.5089 No, there's more to the definition than that. Anyway, proving a negative, in this case that something hasn't gone into a proverbial toilet, is impossible. I'm tired of this "Democrat-controlled cities" trope. If you're talking about the recent uptick in crime (after decades of decline), that's affecting lots of places, including GOP-run Jacksonville. Besides that, rural areas/decaying smaller cities across the country, mostly Republican except for those with non-white majorities, are often awash in meth, opioids, suicide, and the dysfunction that follows. The Trump administration declared a State of Emergency for rural Alaska; Oklahoma has similar problems, etc.
There's a lesson here about neoliberal, capitalist imperialist parties.
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@markwilkie7633 People always use this argument. They bring up comatose people, for example. Life support is discontinued very often, on a case-by-case basis. People in such a state obviously had personhood before becoming comatose. Their situation, however, has changed to the degree that it sometimes becomes not just okay to kill them, but in fact it becomes cruel not to. In the case of people who have no will to live, they had it once and could regain it, which is why it's even more crucial to be as careful as can be about what to do next. I'm thinking of cases like the physician-assisted suicide laws in some countries that enable people with apparently incurable psychiatric agony (depression, among other things) choose death in a clean, dignified manner.
None of this comparable to embryos & fetuses, who have never had the attributes of personhood. Were you thinking of other examples?
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@markwilkie7633 It's a hard one. On the one hand, they obviously had personhood before becoming comatose. On the other, they're completely without sentience, and (crucially) their ability to regain it is often extremely weak if it's possible at all. That's why the decision as to what to do next is in the hands of family members or someone else with power of attorney. Killing the comatose is often the kindest thing to do. So, in cases where regaining consciousness is impossible, virtually impossible, or if it happens at all it's sure to leave the sufferer a horribly debilitated near-corpse, personhood is gone. Becoming comatose, then, doesn't automatically take away personhood, but it very often does.
For embryos/fetuses, it's not that complicated. They've never had personhood. If they never get it at all, they're not missing anything.
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