Comments by "Scott Charney" (@scottcharney1091) on "Robert E. Lee statue removed in Charlottesville" video.

  1. Orwell was a socialist and an Antifa icon. He fought against the forces of Francisco Franco in the Spanish Civil War, and took a bullet through the throat (and survived!) in the process. He would not want to glorify people who fought to support a regime based on slavery.
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  2. Monuments honoring evil should be removed. It's not the past that's being removed.
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  3. Orwell was a socialist and is an Antifa icon. He fought against Franco's Fascists in Spain, surviving a bullet through the throat in the process. He was no fan of honoring regimes based on slavery.
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  4. True, but that has nothing to do with this. Removing monuments to evil does not constitute forgetting the past.
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  5. Along with others who battled against the fascists that day.
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  6. These statues of traitors, who fought for an explicitly pro-slavery regime, were created to intimidate Black people during periods of civil rights agitation. Should those Lenin statues have stayed up at the end of the Cold War? What about the big swastikas at the end of WWII?
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  7. That's a non sequitur.
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  8. Orwell was a socialist and an Antifa icon, taking a bullet through the throat (and surviving!) battling against Francisco Franco's fascists in Spain. There would be absolutely no reason to think that he would be in favor of honoring reactionary Confederate traitors. These statues went up during times of civil rights agitation, as a show of force.
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  9. Of course it doesn't, it just stops honoring evil.
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  10. As a matter of fact, there was a lot of danger when the fascists started hitting students with them.
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  11. That's false equivalence, and you know it.
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  12. You're projecting.
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  13. It's been brigaded by chuds; that's not so amazing.
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  14. It's the principle of the thing, silly.
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  15. Nobody's removing the past. Monuments to evil should go in museums, if they go anywhere.
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  16.  Jeez V  Reported.
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  17.  @TKAM88  Who is this "we?" Lincoln strongly disapproved of slavery; that's why the secession movement gained strength. Abolition wasn't his priority, but that's beside the point.
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  18. No, just things that honor evil.
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  19.  @convictowens9970  I know, which is why this sort of thing belongs in museums and documentaries, not in places that honor evil.
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  20. Whataboutwhataboutwhatabout
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  21. False equivalence, and you know it.
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  22. He did own slaves for a time, and more importantly, he served a regime that made it explicit that its purpose for existing was to preserve slavery.
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  23. You say that like it's a bad thing.
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  24. You don't know what you're talking about.
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  25.  @MladenVass  It does make life better, in that we won't have monuments honoring evil looming over us. It's just like toppling the Lenin statues in 1989-1992, or blowing up that big swastika in Berlin in 1945, among other examples.
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  26.  @MladenVass  It's illegal (felonious, in fact) to display Nazi symbolism in Germany in any way that honors the regime. That sort of thing is in museums and the like. As for Lenin statues, I was referring to East Germany and other places under the Soviet boot. Lots of Lenin statues were torn down as the GDR fell, and it's an enduring image of that time, along with the wall coming apart. They weren't "erasing history," they were deciding to not honor evil. People who've suffered at the hands of white supremacy would rather not honor Confederate traitors. Indeed, anyone with any decency would feel the same way.
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  27.  @MladenVass  Statues are erected to honor someone, in various contexts. That's not in dispute. Most of the Confederate statues in the US were erected during periods of civil rights agitation, in order to intimidate Black Americans and anyone supporting them. They are monuments to white supremacy, and this was made clear in (for example) the speeches made at their dedications: https://hgreen.people.ua.edu/transcription-carr-speech.html The effect hasn't somehow gone away. The Sons of Liberty toppled a statue of King George III, melted it down, and made bullets out of it. Were they wrong to do so? In 1956, when Hungarian rebels rose up against the Stalinist regime, they toppled statues of Stalin and his cronies, took symbols of the regime out of flags, etc. At the end of the Cold War, many Soviet and Warsaw Pact statues/symbols did come down, in particular statues honoring hated spy boss Felix Dzerzhinsky. Yes, making the Nazi salute or displaying the flag is a felony in Germany, among other places. In fact, several European countries ban display of Communist iconography. Yes, I know my history.
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  28. Not this again. Please learn about the Dixiecrat Fallacy, because that's what you're committing.
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  29.  @miked.5089  True, and this was after he played a huge role in supporting a regime that explicitly stated that slavery was its reason for existence.
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  30.  @miked.5089  Not this again. What socialists? What toilets? The term "banana republic" was coined in reference to countries run by a business/military/political elite that primarily exports produce or minerals; in other words, a right-wing oligarchy of the kind that the US likes to support (that then pushes people into the migrant stream, but that's another topic).
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  31.  @miked.5089  No, there's more to the definition than that. Anyway, proving a negative, in this case that something hasn't gone into a proverbial toilet, is impossible. I'm tired of this "Democrat-controlled cities" trope. If you're talking about the recent uptick in crime (after decades of decline), that's affecting lots of places, including GOP-run Jacksonville. Besides that, rural areas/decaying smaller cities across the country, mostly Republican except for those with non-white majorities, are often awash in meth, opioids, suicide, and the dysfunction that follows. The Trump administration declared a State of Emergency for rural Alaska; Oklahoma has similar problems, etc. There's a lesson here about neoliberal, capitalist imperialist parties.
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  32.  @miked.5089  You missed the point.
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  33.  @miked.5089  You just conflated three rather different ideologies. You don't know what you're talking about.
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  34.  @miked.5089  I just did.
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  35. Poe's Law?
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  36. Removing monuments to evil does not constitute forgetting history.
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  37. Disingenuous.
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  38. Whataboutwhataboutwhatabout
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  39. You want marginalized people to know their place and not get uppity, I see.
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  40. It belongs in a museum, not a place of honor. Let's not honor traitors who served a pro-slavery regime.
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  41. *conscience No, he served a regime that explicitly stated that slavery was its reason for existing. If he did positive things afterward (as did Longstreet, quite significantly; and also, shockingly, Nathan Bedford Forrest!), that's important to know, but it still doesn't justify monuments honoring the evil that they fought for.
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  42.  @peace-yv4qd  Not so. Everything I wrote was perfectly valid, and discussed at the time.
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  43. No, we're just not going to honor evil.
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  44. You assume too much.
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  45. History isn't being removed, monuments to evil are.
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  46. Removing monuments to evil is not "forgetting the past."
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  47. He was a traitor who served an evil regime, and some say he's overrated as a general anyway.
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  48. No, it's backward to honor evil.
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