Comments by "Scott Charney" (@scottcharney1091) on "Trump defends rioters who threatened Mike Pence | ABC News" video.

  1. Whataboutwhataboutwhatabout... there's a big difference between civil unrest and a coup attempt.
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  2.  @kimbercustompro1911  Sure. A coup attempt is an attempt to topple a government by extra-legal means, with or without violence. There's also the phenomenon of a "self-coup" or "auto-coup," in which a sitting government essentially does the same thing to the opposition, in order to remain in power. On January 6th, the attackers attempted to prevent the certification of (and indeed overturn) a legitimate election, which would have theoretically allowed Trump to remain in power indefinitely. The attackers came very close to lynching lawmakers & other personnel (no, this does not need to involve hanging; that's a common misconception), which would have sharply worsened the ensuing Constitutional crisis. Serious people do not dispute that; it's clearly demonstrated by primary sources, along with the words and actions by many of the attackers demonstrating their planning ahead of time, and the many others who began to cooperate with said plans on the spot. I'm not sure why you stress successful attempts. It's the principle of the thing. The attempt that we're talking about could almost certainly not have succeeded in the medium term, based on what we observed that day. Most of the police fought bravely, while others seemed to collaborate with the attackers; I'm actually surprised by the former. The unarmored police in the hallway outside the House Chamber had their pistols drawn and were ready to use them, as one did. With that said, note that some of the attackers have been busted with firearms, not to mention all of their abundant melee weapons & stolen shields. Gossip from the Pentagon is that they were tired of Trump's actions, and they swear an oath to the Constitution, not to any particular administration. Mayor Bowser hates Trump and could have called upon many more police; note also that the police from Arlington & Alexandria VA were very uncomfortable with their role in helping with Trump's forceful clearing of Lafayette Plaza to hold that bizarre photo op. Besides all of that, Trump is very unpopular in the District and in the closest suburbs; people seem to forget that many liberals own firearms, and genuine leftists own many, many more! So, as I wrote, it's the principle of the thing. You wanted similar examples, so here: Bolivia's 1946 coup was the work of a mob. Germany saw several coup attempts by private citizen militant groups in the years between the World Wars; beginning with the Spartacist League on the left in 1919, and continuing on the right with Freikorps and allied groups trying the same thing the following year, and of course the Nazis' Beer Hall Putsch in 1923. Ten years later, Chancellor Hitler's self-coup gave him absolute power. Mussolini's Blackshirts were successful in 1922, and a new generation of the Italian far-right tried the same thing in 1970. There was the attempt by the PLO in Jordan in 1970, and, amazingly, UK suffragists were planning a coup in 1913! There are other examples, but you get the idea. This is a much bigger deal than run-of-the-mill rioting.
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  3.  @Funnyfresh420  They caused quite a bit of damage, were driven out by militarized police reinforcements, and many of the perpetrators had in fact organized for months ahead of time, as investigations are uncovering. This was an inept attempt, but it was genuine, and that's the point.
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  4. Spin? It's a primary source.
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  5.  @Funnyfresh420  Do you know what vanguardism is? The organized groups acted as something of a spearhead, and others went with their plans on the spot. You can even see this in real-time with "Bullhorn Lady" advising some of the attackers on the route through the building. As for the damage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_attack#Damage As for Sicknick's death, the coroner/M.E. ruled it as occurring due to natural causes, but that's because of the final cause of death being a series of strokes; he made it clear that "all that transpired played a role in his condition." In other words, it looks likely that the attacks upon him helped to trigger the strokes; it wasn't just a coincidence.
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  6.  @kimbercustompro1911  There was no peaceful entry, there was a great deal of violence, and they only left thanks to militarized police reinforcements forcefully removing them. Why did I need to tell you that? Mussolini's March On Rome is an example of this sort of thing succeeding. A huge mass of demonstrators with a vanguard of paramilitaries moved on and overwhelmed the government. I've already described a self-coup, in which the current government (Trump's administration, in his last two weeks) uses extra-legal means to prevent the opposition from posing a threat; in this case the goal was to prevent the final certification of the election, as part of a multi-pronged effort to overturn it entirely. It was a failure, but it was a close call.
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  7.  @kimbercustompro1911  Yes, I have watched the footage, lots of it, and the attackers breached several doors and windows, opened others from the inside, and brutally tried to force their way into another (the infamous clash at the tunnel). I don't smoke meth, in fact I'm straight-edge. The footage is awash in brutal hand-to-hand combat, and I am a little concerned that I have to tell you this. Over 600 have been arrested, and most of those were released to attend future court dates. Of those who remain in custody, they have indeed been charged (why do you think that they haven't??), and are going through the legal process (with some already pleading guilty). The method of the coup attempt does have precedents, and your last sentence is projection, or at least just a case of you not knowing what you're talking about.
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  8.  @kimbercustompro1911  Now you're getting silly, along with assuming too much.
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  9.  @Funnyfresh420  Is there any reason to doubt the accounts of fecal matter being tracked/spread around? To be sure, I would definitely like to get testimony from cleaning crew members, police, and anyone else who would have encountered it. Regarding Sicknick, the initial reporting about the fire extinguisher came from police sources, but in any case he was definitely sprayed with chemicals. Diaz, the M.E., clearly stated that the events still led to Sicknick's death, since such levels of stress and trauma can trigger strokes. Indeed, the legendary Dr. Cyril Wecht says that the death could be classified as accidental, a homicide, or undetermined.
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  10. Based on all the primary research Karl did, like the interviews you just heard, one can come to certain conclusions.
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