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If shaving is haram, whose pewbs are those this dude Siffee has glued to his chin?
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@alibabi7648 "however the content of a song(message) does not change if you sing it differently, same with the quran." But the message of these Qira'at recitations (the supposed words revealed to Muhammad and recited) is clearly are not the same, they contradict each other. So how do you solve this problem without manuscripts that date back to Muhammad which you don't have because Uthman burned them all? Example A Quran 11:81 (Hafs) Lot was commanded to bring his family, excluding his wife , and don't let anyone look back Quran 11:81 (Al Bazzi also Ibn Katheer and Abu Amr) Lot was commanded to bring his family, including his wife , but she will look back
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@Chris At Speaker's Corner Please disable this moderation bot if possible. Its way to restrictive to conversation on this topic. I had chop up my comment into two comments because it kept deleting it as one.
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@alibabi7648 I don't know how to make this any clearer for you, but at this point I mostly want to make sure the people reading the comments seeking truth can see your problem. You said this about the oral recitation preservation of your book "however the content of a song(message) does not change if you sing it differently, same with the quran." If me and you are given a song, you sing it in Arabic I sing it in English. Obviously its going to sound differently but the message could still be the same if we're singing the same lyrics. If in English my lyrics (message) are "and take your wife with youuuu"...In Arabic your lyrics (message) are "DON'T take your wife with youuuu" Is the message we're singing the same? No...it very clearly isn't...and that's my point here with the examples... How do we verify which one of us has the correct original lyrics (message)? We go ask the person who wrote the song right? How do you do that with the Qira'at when you don't have manuscripts from the source???
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they should of abrogated the whole book.
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@Noname-u5h9e No its not if we're using "you really believe this because that's what I think you believe" Muslim logic.
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1) The only thing that doesn't make any sense is your inability to process the meaning of the word "persons" and turning your brain off to your own beliefs. I know its hard for you, but try to turn your brain on for one second. You believe in an afterlife correct? Everything you do here on Earth is to get to a place called Jannah? Explain to us what happens to your flesh (body) when you die? Does it teleport to Jannah with "you" ? Or does your flesh (body) stay here and something like a soul which coexists side by side with you go to Jannah? 1 flesh +1 soul = 2 of "you" ? 2) Siffee's argument does not hold because it doesn't make any sense, he as well as you blatantly misinterpret what Christians believe and try to pass it off as what Christians believe. Christians don't believe Jesus has a literal father. Christians believe Jesus is part of a Trinity that has always existed. Case and point, who was God in Genesis speaking to when he said "Let US make man in OUR image"? John 17:5 "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began" 3) Once again, try turning your brain on. The fallacy here isn't Christian logic, its your own logic and lack of education. Christians call priests "Father" as a sign of respect, does that mean priests are biological fathers to all Christians? That is exactly what Jesus was doing, he humbled himself as a servant and chose to live as a man. When he prayed to the Father, he wasn't praying to his biological Father, he was depicting FOR US how even in sinless humanity it is necessary to have respect for the Father and a vital prayer life. 4) You believe Allah is restricted to single form with what resembles two right hands a shin and a womb and would lose divine attributes if he took any other form...What's the definition of a limited being? Pretty good argument here. 5) Gabriel isn't Allah's companion yet according to you he breathes his word and creates in his name? Do you know what the definition of a companion is? Clearly you don't. 6) You don't understand the definition of partner either, not surprising. Once again, someone who speaks Allah's word (prophet) and Allah works through to perform miracles is NOT Allah's partner? You know what's truly absurd? Thinking you sound intelligent using words you clearly don't understand. What's equally absurd is believing in a God that can't do fractional math. How do you calculate Awl? 1+1= 3? 7) See 4 and take your own advice on not making cringe with stupid ignorant arguments next time please. Its siffee, go cry with him about it.
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@lurdkatmin3298 "If God is omnipotent can God cease to be God? What kind of stupid atheist argument is this?" No one but you said or implied that. You're literally arguing with yourself. "God being multiple in person would be multiple gods which is polytheism" No that isn't what it means, look up the definition of the word person and hypostases. Furthermore, this doesn't answer the question asked, its anti-intellectual tap dancing If God is omnipotent is it logical for God to be restricted to one single form?
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@lurdkatmin3298 You have nothing to add because you don't have a coherent argument. You can't coherently explain how an omnipotent God can be restricted to one single form, so your projecting and running from the argument. Does everyone have a soul? No soulless people walking around? If every person doesn't have a soul, then how is this spirit that doesn't stay with you, not separate from you? Allah with his ONE form consisting of two right hands and a shin is a restricted being, not omnipotent. The belief is clearly in ONE limited deity.
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@alibabi7648 Example B Quran 10:16 (Hafs) Say, “Had Allah willed, I would not have recited it to you, nor would He have made it known to you Quran 10:16 (Qunbul) Say, “Had Allah willed, I would not have recited it to you, he would have made it known to you So not only is your "perfect preservation through recitation method" a complete lie, you don't even know what the definitive message of these verses is.
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@alibabi7648 Nice "you don't speak Abrabic" tap dancing attempt but that isn't going to work her pal. How did your original reply account for contradictions in the Qira'at readings when you literally played pretend its impossible? Those translations are directly from your resources. Translated by scholars that understand the language far better than you or I ever will. Chris literally has debate video on this channel with Fadel Soliman, a leading Islamic resource on the Qira'at who admitted those translations I gave are 100% accurate. literally got them from Fadel Soliman book on the Qira'at "Bridges translation of the Ten Qira'at of the Noble Quran" "this squiggly line in Arabic can mean anything" logic can't save you here. Your oral recitation preservation method is a lie and has been exposed.
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@alibabi7648 This is getting circular now. No one is looking for a fight, I just have no patience and interest in watching Riverdance with words. Nothing I commented is a misunderstanding and definitely didn't make your point, I very clearly completely refuted it. You claimed your book was preserved through oral recitation known as Qira'at readings and I showed you two concrete examples directly pulled from YOUR SOURCES of clear contradictions in these oral recitations. Your rebuttal was oh this is a misunderstanding which you claim you accounted for talking about dialects or whatever, but once again, YOUR SCHOLARS who know this subject much better than you do say this is NOT the case for the examples I gave you. This isn't a dialect, accents and colophon labels as imprecise typefaces issue. The message is different and contradictory. Did Lot bring his wife with him or did she stay behind? How do you confirm which oral recitation is correct without manuscripts dating back to the source? You still haven't answered this because you can't.
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@alibabi7648 I'm not trying to WIN anything here, I'm trying to educate and save. If the "perfect preservation miracle" is a lie, what else are they lying to you about? That question isn't just for you, its for everyone who reads this.
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@alibabi7648 No my proof is very clearly contradictions in the Qira'at and you have no way of verifying which one is the original message because you don't have manuscripts. Read the conversation.
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Not sure if lot over in the UK ever got the cartoon "Pinky and the Brain". Siffee is like a carbon copy of Pinky, a low IQ incoherent mess with a squeaky voice. Youtube it if you haven't seen the cartoon and tell me if its not a spot of comparison. lol
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@lurdkatmin3298 "Essentially the analogy you're using by comparing soul, body, ect to God is partialism" That's not true. You believe in the afterlife correct? Does your earthly body go to Jannah or is it DISTINCT from your soul and remain on earth? If your earthly body cannot enter Jannah with your soul, that clearly implies your soul is not just a "part" of you like a body part, its a DISTINCT entity that on earth coexists INDEPENDENTLY with your earthly body. Furthermore, you lot need to make up your minds. Is God omnipotent or restricted to ONE distinct person? If God is omnipotent, logically explain to us why God can't be more than ONE distinct person. Why can't an omnipotent God take on multiple distinct forms if that is what God deems necessary to exact his will?
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@lurdkatmin3298 You love to tap dance and misinterpret, its comical at this point. Does everyone have a soul? No soulless people walking around? If a demonic spirit possesses you is that spirit "part of " what makes "you" or is it a distinct independent entity controlling you? "If God is omnipotent can God cease to be God? What kind of stupid atheist argument is this?" No one but you said or believes that. You're literally arguing with yourself. "God being multiple in person would be multiple gods which is polytheism" No that isn't what it means, look up the definition of the word person and hypostasis. Furthermore, this doesn't answer the question asked, its stupid anti-intellectual tap dancing If God is omnipotent is it logical for God to be restricted to one single form?
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@lurdkatmin3298 You love to tap dance and misinterpret, its comical at this point. Does everyone have a soul? No soulless people walking around? If a demonic spirit possesses you is that spirit "part of " what makes "you" or is it a distinct independent entity controlling you?
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@lurdkatmin3298 "If God is omnipotent can God cease to be God? What kind of stupid atheist argument is this?" No one but you said or implied that. You're literally arguing with yourself. "God being multiple in person would be multiple gods which is polytheism" No that isn't what it means, look up the definition of the word person and hypostasis. Furthermore, this doesn't answer the question asked, its stupid anti-intellectual tap dancing If God is omnipotent is it logical for God to be restricted to one single form?
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@lurdkatmin3298 "Your first question was "can God be restricted to one distinct person", and now it's "can God be restricted to one single form". Which one is it? What do you mean by "form"?" They're both the same thing just worded differently. Is God restricted to ONE distinct person/form with two right hands and shin as Muslims believe? It's a simple question you can't coherently answer because your Allah is not omnipotent, he's impotent. "It is not logically coherent to believe that God can be one "in essence" or "hypostasis" but also be three beings. It's the belief in three deities. " No that is just your illogical belief. "God's omnipotence does not encompass contradictions and absurdities" EXACTLY well done Sherlock. The Question I asked you is literally based on your belief, that's why its a contradiction. You believe God is ONE distinct person correct? God can't be multiple distinct persons correct? This contradicts omnipotence which states God is all powerful and can do anything. "I don't believe the soul is a separate person or being. It's a PART that makes up YOU as a PERSON. " Can a person can be soulless? Stop tap dancing and answer the question.
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@lurdkatmin3298 "God's omnipotence does not encompass contradictions and absurdities. Is it logically coherent for God to be restricted" EXACTLY well done Sherlock. You finally cracked the case and got what I've been trying to convey to you. Your beliefs encompass contradictions and absurdities, that is why you don't have a coherent argument. You've been arguing the entire time God is ONE distinct person correct? YES You've been arguing God can't be multiple distinct persons correct? YES This contradicts the definition of omnipotence which states God is all powerful and can do anything. "It's a PART that makes up YOU as a PERSON. We have very little knowledge of it otherwise. We have very little knowledge of it otherwise." Let me get this straight, you made a confident statement with capitalization of words for added emphasis... and then in the very next sentence... admit you have very little knowledge of subject...Only to you does your response qualify as coherent. Never mind the fact you once again ducked what you were asked. "It is not logically coherent to believe that God can be one "in essence" or "hypostasis" but also be three beings." That is YOUR opinion, not a scholarly opinion, nor backed by anything other than your favorite Dawah channel.
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@lurdkatmin3298 "God's omnipotence does not encompass contradictions and absurdities. Is it logically coherent for God to be restricted" EXACTLY well done Sherlock. You finally cracked the case and got what I've been trying to convey to you. Your beliefs encompass contradictions and absurdities, that is why you don't have a coherent argument. You've been arguing the entire time God is ONE distinct person correct? YES You've been arguing God can't be multiple distinct persons correct? YES This contradicts the definition of omnipotence which states God is all powerful and can do anything. "It's a PART that makes up YOU as a PERSON. We have very little knowledge of it otherwise. We have very little knowledge of it otherwise." Let me get this straight, you made a confident statement with capitalization of words for added emphasis... and then in the very next sentence... admit you have very little knowledge of subject...Only to you does your response qualify as coherent. Never mind the fact you once again ducked what you were asked.
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@lurdkatmin3298 "God's omnipotence does not encompass contradictions and absurdities. Is it logically coherent for God to be restricted" EXACTLY well done Sherlock. You finally cracked the case and got what I've been trying to convey to you. Your beliefs encompass contradictions and absurdities, that is why you don't have a coherent argument. You've been arguing the entire time God is restricted to ONE distinct person correct? YES You've been arguing God can't be multiple distinct persons correct? YES This contradicts the definition of omnipotence which states God is all powerful and can do anything.
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@lurdkatmin3298 "It's a PART that makes up YOU as a PERSON. We have very little knowledge of it otherwise. We have very little knowledge of it otherwise." Let me get this straight, you made a confident statement with capitalization of words for added emphasis... and then in the very next sentence... admit you have very little knowledge of subject...Only to you does your response qualify as coherent. Never mind the fact you once again ducked what you were asked. "It is not logically coherent to believe that God can be one "in essence" or "hypostasis" but also be three beings." That is YOUR opinion, not a scholarly opinion, nor backed by anything other than your favorite Dawah guy.
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@Durray13 When you're talking to a Muhammadan Q: Is Epstein the best moral example for all mankind? A: No way Q: Why is that? A: He's a pdfile Q: Is Muhammad the best example for all mankind? A: Yes Q: He had secs with a 9 year old? A: bu bu but it was 1400 years ago Q: IS or WAS Muhammad the best example for all mankind? A: Uhh yes he is Q: Would you do that with a 9 year old? A: *looks around nervously for police presence *Muslims are very confused about where they should stand on pdfilia because their moral example was a pdfile. Q: Are you Sunni or Shia? A: Sunni Q: So you believe in the Sunnah? A: Yes Q: Sahih al-buikhari and Sahih Muslim are reliable? A: Yes Q: Why was Muhammad covered in semen stains? A: I don't believe in hadith that contradict the Quran Q: Show me the verse in the Quran that says Muhammad wasn't covered in semen stains? A: uhhhhh *runs away *Muslims pick and choose what to believe from their books like an open buffet based on whether it EMBRASSES them. Q: Was the Quran perfectly preserved? A: Yes Q: You have a whole carbon dated Quran from the days of Muhammad? A: Yes its in Birmingham Q: Two Surahs is a whole Quran? A: google searches oh uuh ummm the Quran was preserved orally Q: There are up to 10 different known oral recitations, there are no contradictions? A: Yes they all are the same its just accents Q: Hafs says Lots wife went with him but Al-Bazzi says she stayed behind. Which recitation is correct? A: Uhhhhh let me ask Sheikh Google and get back to you on that Q: Why do Hafs and Warsh have different amount of verses and WORDS in them? A: *Has no clue how to respond and runs away *Muslims don't know what perfect preservation is nor the history of the book they claim is perfectly preserved. Q: What is the injeel Allah urged Christians to judge themselves by in the Quran? A: The good news given to Jesus Q: Who wrote this book Christians had in the 7th century? A: I don't know but its not the book you have Q: How do you know its not the book we have when you don't know who wrote it? A: Its not the gospel you have Q: Prove to me Muhammad is in the Injeel? A: *runs away *Muslims are very confused about what the injeel is and who wrote it.
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@Durray13 When you're talking to a Muhammadan Q: Is Epstein the best moral example for all mankind? A: No way Q: Why is that? A: He's a pdfile Q: Is Muhammad the best example for all mankind? A: Yes Q: He had secs with a 9 year old? A: bu bu but it was 1400 years ago Q: IS or WAS Muhammad the best example for all mankind? A: Uhh yes he is Q: Would you do that with a 9 year old? A: *looks around nervously for police presence *Muslims are very confused about where they should stand on pdfilia because their moral example was a pdfile.
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@Durray13 When you're talking to a Muhammadan Q: Is Epstein the best moral example for all mankind? A: No way Q: Why is that? A: He's a pdfile Q: Is Muhammad the best example for all mankind? A: Yes Q: He married and 6 year old and consummated the marriage when she turned 9? A: bu bu but it was 1400 years ago Q: IS or WAS Muhammad the best example for all mankind? A: Uhh yes he is Q: Would you do that with a 9 year old? A: *looks around nervously for police presence *Muslims are very confused about where they should stand on pdfilia because their moral example was a pdfile.
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@Durray13 When you're talking to a Muhammadan Q: Is Epstein the best moral example for all mankind? A: No way Q: Why is that? A: He's a pdfile Q: Is your prophet the best example for all mankind? A: Yes Q: He married and 6 year old and consummated the marriage when she turned 9? A: bu bu but it was 1400 years ago Q: IS or WAS Muhammad the best example for all mankind? A: Uhh yes he is Q: Would you do that with a 9 year old? A: *looks around nervously for police presence *Muslims are very confused about where they should stand on pdfilia because their moral example was a pdfile.
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@Durray13 When you're talking to a Muhammadan Q: Is Epstein the best moral example for all mankind? A: No way Q: Why is that? A: He's a pdfile
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@Durray13 When you're talking to a Muhammadan Q: Is Muhammad the best example for all mankind? A: Yes Q: He had secs with a 9 year old? A: bu bu but it was 1400 years ago Q: IS or WAS Muhammad the best example for all mankind? A: Uhh yes he is Q: Would you do that with a 9 year old? A: *looks around nervously for police presence *Muslims are very confused about where they should stand on pdfilia because their moral example was a pdfile.
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@Durray13 When you're talking to a Muhammadan Q: Is Muhammad the best example for all mankind? A: Yes Q: He married Aisha when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old? A: bu bu but it was 1400 years ago Q: IS or WAS Muhammad the best example for all mankind? A: Uhh yes he is Q: Would you do that with a nine year old? A: *looks around nervously for police presence *Muslims are very confused about where they should stand on pdfilia because their moral example was a pdfile. Q: Are you Sunni or Shia? A: Sunni Q: So you believe in the Sunnah? A: Yes Q: Sahih al-buikhari and Sahih Muslim are reliable? A: Yes Q: Why was Muhammad covered in semen stains? A: I don't believe in hadith that contradict the Quran Q: Show me the verse in the Quran that says Muhammad wasn't covered in semen stains? A: uhhhhh *runs away *Muslims pick and choose what to believe from their books like an open buffet based on whether it EMBRASSES them. Q: Is the Quran perfectly preserved? A: Yes Q: You have a whole carbon dated Quran from the days of Muhammad? A: Yes its in Birmingham Q: Two Surahs is a whole Quran? A: *google searches oh uuh ummm the Quran was preserved orally Q: There are up to 10 different known oral recitations, there are no contradictions? A: Yes they all are the same its just accents Q: Hafs says Lots wife went with him but Al-Bazzi says she stayed behind. Which recitation is correct? A: Uhhhhh Q: Why do Hafs and Warsh have different amount of verses and WORDS in them? A: *Has no clue how to respond and runs away *Muslims don't know what perfect preservation is nor the history of the book they claim is perfectly preserved.
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@Durray13 When you're talking to a Muhammadan Q: Is Muhammad the best example for all mankind? A: Yes Q: He married Aisha when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old? A: bu bu but it was 1400 years ago Q: IS or WAS Muhammad the best example for all mankind? A: Uhh yes he is Q: Would you do that with a nine year old? A: *looks around nervously for police presence *Muslims are very confused about where they should stand on pdfilia because their moral example was a pdfile. Q: Are you Sunni or Shia? A: Sunni Q: So you believe in the Sunnah? A: Yes Q: Sahih al-buikhari and Sahih Muslim are reliable? A: Yes Q: Why was Muhammad covered in semen stains? A: I don't believe in hadith that contradict the Quran Q: Show me the verse in the Quran that says Muhammad wasn't covered in semen stains? A: uhhhhh *runs away *Muslims pick and choose what to believe from their books like an open buffet based on whether it EMBRASSES them.
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@Durray13 When you're talking to a Muhammadan Q: Was the Quran perfectly preserved? A: Yes Q: You have a whole carbon dated Quran from the days of Muhammad? A: Yes its in Birmingham Q: Two Surahs is a whole Quran? A: google searches oh uuh ummm the Quran was preserved orally Q: There are up to 10 different known oral recitations, there are no contradictions? A: Yes they all are the same its just accents Q: Hafs says Lots wife went with him but Al-Bazzi says she stayed behind. Which recitation is correct? A: Uhhhhh let me ask Sheikh Google and get back to you on that Q: Why do Hafs and Warsh have different amount of verses and WORDS in them? A: *Has no clue how to respond and runs away *Muslims don't know what perfect preservation is nor the history of the book they claim is perfectly preserved. Q: What is the injeel Allah urged Christians to judge themselves by in the Quran? A: The good news given to Jesus Q: Who wrote this book Christians had in their possession and Allah urged them to judge themselves by? A: I don't know but its not the book you have Q: How do you know its not the book we have when you don't know who wrote it? A: I don't know Q: Prove to me Muhammad is in the Injeel? A: *runs away *Muslims are very confused about what the injeel the Quran urged Christians to judge themselves by is and who wrote it.
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@Durray13 When you're talking to a Muhammadan Q: Was the Quran perfectly preserved? A: Yes Q: You have a whole carbon dated Quran from the days of Muhammad? A: Yes its in Birmingham Q: Two Surahs is a whole Quran? A: google searches oh uuh ummm the Quran was preserved orally Q: There are up to 10 different known oral recitations, there are no contradictions? A: Yes they all are the same its just accents Q: Hafs says Lots wife went with him but Al-Bazzi says she stayed behind. Which recitation is correct? A: Uhhhhh let me ask Sheikh Google and get back to you on that Q: Why do Hafs and Warsh have different amount of verses and WORDS in them? A: *Has no clue how to respond and runs away *Muslims don't know what perfect preservation is nor the history of the book they claim is perfectly preserved. Q: What is the injeel Allah urged Christians to judge themselves by in the Quran? A: The good news given to Jesus Q: Who wrote this book Christians had in their possession and Allah urged them to judge themselves by? A: I don't know but its not the book you have Q: How do you know its not the book we have when you don't know who wrote it? A: I don't know Q: Prove to me Muhammad is in the Injeel? A: *runs away *Muslims are not sure what the injeel Allah urged Christians to judge themselves by is and who wrote it.
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@Durray13 When you're talking to a Muhammadan Q: Was the Quran perfectly preserved? A: Yes Q: You have a whole carbon dated Quran from the days of Muhammad? A: Yes its in Birmingham Q: Two Surahs is a whole Quran? A: google searches oh uuh ummm the Quran was preserved orally Q: There are up to 10 different known oral recitations, there are no contradictions? A: Yes they all are the same its just accents Q: Hafs says Lots wife went with him but Al-Bazzi says she stayed behind. Which recitation is correct? A: Uhhhhh let me ask Sheikh Google and get back to you on that Q: Why do Hafs and Warsh have different amount of verses and WORDS in them? A: *Has no clue how to respond and runs away *Muslims don't know what perfect preservation is nor the history of the book they claim is perfectly preserved.
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@Durray13 When you're talking to a Muhammadan Q: What is the injeel Allah urged Christians to judge themselves by in the Quran? A: The good news given to Jesus Q: Who wrote this book Christians had in their possession and Allah urged them to judge themselves by? A: I don't know but its not the book you have Q: How do you know its not the book we have when you don't know who wrote it? A: I don't know Q: Prove to me Muhammad is in the Injeel? A: *runs away *Muslims are not sure what the injeel Allah urged Christians to judge themselves by is and who wrote it.
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@alibabi7648 "however the content of a song(message) does not change if you sing it differently, same with the quran." But the message of these Qira'at recitations (the supposed words reveled by Allah and recited) is clearly are not the same, they contradict each other. So how do you solve this problem without manuscripts that date back to Muhammad which you don't have because Uthman burned them all? Example A Quran 11:81 (Hafs) Lot was commanded to bring his family, excluding his wife , and don't let anyone look back Quran 11:81 (Al Bazzi also Ibn Katheer and Abu Amr) Lot was commanded to bring his family, including his wife , but she will look back Here we have textual variance and a clear contradiction. Not only do we not have perfect preservation, we don't even know what the true message of the verse is. Both readings cannot logically be the word of God because they contradict each other. Which verse is the word of God and which one is man's mistake? Are they both man made mistakes? The only way this can be answered is if you had manuscripts that date to Muhammad which don't have because Uthman burned them all. Ok that's one example, surely there is NO WAY we'll find another contradiction between Qira'at readings... Example B Quran 10:16 (Hafs) Say, “Had Allah willed, I would not have recited it to you, nor would He have made it known to you Quran 10:16 (Qunbul) Say, “Had Allah willed, I would not have recited it to you, he would have made it known to you So not only is your "perfect preservation through recitation method" a complete lie, you don't even know what the definitive message of these verses is.
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@alibabi7648 "however the content of a song(message) does not change if you sing it differently, same with the quran." But the message of these Qira'at recitations (the supposed words reveled by Allah and recited) is clearly are not the same, they contradict each other. So how do you solve this problem without manuscripts that date back to Muhammad ? Example A Quran 11:81 (Hafs) Lot was commanded to bring his family, excluding his wife , and don't let anyone look back Quran 11:81 (Al Bazzi also Ibn Katheer and Abu Amr) Lot was commanded to bring his family, including his wife , but she will look back Here we have textual variance and a clear contradiction. Not only do we not have perfect preservation, we don't even know what the true message of the verse is. Both readings cannot logically be the word of God because they contradict each other. Which verse is the word of God and which one is man's mistake? Are they both man made mistakes? The only way this can be answered is if you had manuscripts that date to Muhammad?. Ok that's one example, surely there is NO WAY we'll find another contradiction between Qira'at readings... Example B Quran 10:16 (Hafs) Say, “Had Allah willed, I would not have recited it to you, nor would He have made it known to you Quran 10:16 (Qunbul) Say, “Had Allah willed, I would not have recited it to you, he would have made it known to you So not only is your "perfect preservation through recitation method" a complete lie, you don't even know what the definitive message of these verses is.
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@alibabi7648 "however the content of a song(message) does not change if you sing it differently, same with the quran." But the message of these Qira'at recitations (the supposed words reveled by Allah and recited) is clearly are not the same, they contradict each other. So how do you solve this problem without manuscripts that date back to Muhammad ? Example A Quran 11:81 (Hafs) Lot was commanded to bring his family, excluding his wife , and don't let anyone look back Quran 11:81 (Al Bazzi also Ibn Katheer and Abu Amr) Lot was commanded to bring his family, including his wife , but she will look back Here we have textual variance and a clear contradiction. Not only do we not have perfect preservation, we don't even know what the true message of the verse is. Both readings cannot logically be the word of God because they contradict each other. This wouldn't be a problem if you had manuscripts that date back to Muhammad and can prove which recitation is correct. You don't have that.
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@alibabi7648 "however the content of a song(message) does not change if you sing it differently, same with the quran." But the message of these Qira'at recitations (the supposed words reveled by Allah and recited) is clearly are not the same, they contradict each other. So how do you solve this problem without manuscripts that date back to Muhammad ? Example A Quran 11:81 (Hafs) Lot was commanded to bring his family, excluding his wife , and don't let anyone look back Quran 11:81 (Al Bazzi also Ibn Katheer and Abu Amr) Lot was commanded to bring his family, including his wife , but she will look back Clear textual variance and a clear contradiction. Ok that's one example, surely there is NO WAY we'll find another clear contradiction between Qira'at readings... Example B Quran 10:16 (Hafs) Say, “Had Allah willed, I would not have recited it to you, nor would He have made it known to you Quran 10:16 (Qunbul) Say, “Had Allah willed, I would not have recited it to you, he would have made it known to you So not only is your "perfect preservation through recitation method" a complete lie, you don't even know what the definitive message of these verses is.
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@alibabi7648 "however the content of a song(message) does not change if you sing it differently, same with the quran." But the message of these Qira'at recitations (the supposed words reveled by Allah and recited) is clearly are not the same, they contradict each other. So how do you solve this problem without manuscripts that date back to Muhammad ? Example A Quran 11:81 (Hafs) Lot was commanded to bring his family, excluding his wife , and don't let anyone look back Quran 11:81 (Al Bazzi also Ibn Katheer and Abu Amr) Lot was commanded to bring his family, including his wife , but she will look back Example B Quran 10:16 (Hafs) Say, “Had Allah willed, I would not have recited it to you, nor would He have made it known to you Quran 10:16 (Qunbul) Say, “Had Allah willed, I would not have recited it to you, he would have made it known to you So not only is your "perfect preservation through recitation method" a complete lie, you don't even know what the definitive message of these verses is.
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@alibabi7648 "however the content of a song(message) does not change if you sing it differently, same with the quran." But the message of these Qira'at recitations (the supposed words reveled by Allah and recited) is clearly are not the same, they contradict each other. So how do you solve this problem without manuscripts that date back to Muhammad ? Example A Quran 11:81 (Hafs) Lot was commanded to bring his family, excluding his wife , and don't let anyone look back Quran 11:81 (Al Bazzi also Ibn Katheer and Abu Amr) Lot was commanded to bring his family, including his wife , but she will look back Example B Quran 10:16 (Hafs) Say, “Had Allah willed, I would not have recited it to you, nor would He have made it known to you Quran 10:16 (Qunbul) Say, “Had Allah willed, I would not have recited it to you, he would have made it known to you
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@alibabi7648 "however the content of a song(message) does not change if you sing it differently, same with the quran." But the message of these Qira'at recitations (the supposed words reveled by Allah and recited) is clearly are not the same, they contradict each other. So how do you solve this problem without manuscripts that date back to Muhammad ? Example A Quran 11:81 (Hafs) Lot was commanded to bring his family, excluding his wife , and don't let anyone look back Quran 11:81 (Al Bazzi also Ibn Katheer and Abu Amr) Lot was commanded to bring his family, including his wife , but she will look back Example B Quran 10:16 (Hafs) ...I would not have recited it to you, nor would He have made it known to you Quran 10:16 (Qunbul) ...I would not have recited it to you, he would have made it known to you
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@alibabi7648 "however the content of a song(message) does not change if you sing it differently, same with the quran." But the message of these Qira'at recitations (the supposed words reveled by Allah and recited) is clearly are not the same, they contradict each other. So how do you solve this problem without manuscripts that date back to Muhammad ? Example A Quran 11:81 (Hafs) Lot was commanded to bring his family, excluding his wife , and don't let anyone look back Quran 11:81 (Al Bazzi also Ibn Katheer and Abu Amr) Lot was commanded to bring his family, including his wife , but she will look back
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@alibabi7648 Nice "you don't speak Abrabic" tap dancing attempt but that isn't going to work her pal. How did your original reply account for contradictions in the Qira'at readings when you literally played pretend its impossible? Those translations are directly from one of your resources. You highest scholars that speak Arabic 1000x better than you ever will translated them. Chris literally has debate video on this channel with Fadel Soliman, a leading Islamic resource on the Qira'at who admitted those translations I gave are 100% accurate. I literally got them from Fadel Soliman book on the Qira'at. Nice try but you failed miserably here. Your oral preservation method is a lie "this squiggly line in Arabic can mean anything, can't save you here".
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@alibabi7648 Nice "you don't speak Abrabic" tap dancing attempt but that isn't going to work her pal. How did your original reply account for contradictions in the Qira'at readings when you literally played pretend its impossible? Those translations are directly from one of your resources. You highest scholars that speak Arabic 1000x better than you ever will translated them. Chris literally has debate video on this channel with Fadel Soliman, a leading Islamic resource on the Qira'at who admitted those translations I gave are 100% accurate.
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