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[Long Post Ahead] Hi everyone! I’m Rob Rath, lead writer for Hunting the Bismarck. Because sponsored episodes don’t have a LIES episode, the EH crew decided the best thing would be for me to write them here in the comments.
EPISODE I: THE PRIDE OF GERMANY
• BRITISH PERSPECTIVE: After discussing possible approaches, we chose to tell the story from the British perspective as an hour-by-hour intelligence thriller. This approach had a few big advantages: it was tense, had a propulsive narrative, and allowed us to focus on the British intelligence effort that’s usually glossed over in other documentaries. It also let us communicate the “fog of war” and show how little the British often knew. The downside, though, is it gives short shrift to the Germans—but my hope is that the Bismarck’s side of this story is already well known to most naval history fans.
• WASN’T YAMATO THE BIGGEST?: Yes, the Yamato’s displacement was larger—but it was still under construction when Bismarck sank. Yamato had already been “launched,” but that merely meant that its hull was floating in the water with its superstructure and armaments still under construction. Only after being “commissioned” into active service did it count as a real battleship.
• CANADIAN SUPPLY CONVOYS: Several people pointed out that the Royal Canadian Navy and Merchant Marines played a large role in the Atlantic convoys. This is absolutely true, and I wish we had depicted that. As a form of apology, let me offer this: did you know that four Canadian midshipmen served at the Battle of the Denmark Strait? One served on the Prince of Wales, while three died on the HMS Hood. The Hood crew also included 20 men from Newfoundland, which was not (yet) a part of Canada.
EPISODE II: THE MIGHTY HMS HOOD
• WHY WAS PRINZ EUGEN OUT AHEAD?: It actually wasn’t a strategy. When Bismarck fired at the cruiser Norfolk in Episode I, the concussion of its own guns knocked out its radar array. Prinz Eugen was going first to act as a radar picket.
• DID ALL THAT STUFF IN THE BATTLE REALLY HAPPEN?: Many people thought we took artistic license, but the events in this episode are based on the accounts of veterans and Hood survivors. One caveat: much like the circumstances of Hood’s sinking, there’s significant debate over whether Hood’s B-turret fired one last salvo. Both British and German sailors reported seeing the shot, but that doesn’t necessarily mean someone intentionally fired the guns. It’s possible that ammunition cooked off in the barrel, or that an internal explosion made it appear the guns fired.
• DIDN’T MYTHBUSTERS PROVE SHIP SUCTION IS A MYTH?: Mythbusters used a 20-foot boat, which doesn’t reflect the fluid dynamics of a sinking battleship. A large ship going down very fast can experience “downflooding,” where water pours into the large spaces in the hull and ventilation shafts, pulling floating objects down like a drain. In addition, air escaping from the ship creates bubbles and foam at the surface, making the water less dense and able to support bodies. Oil and entangling debris also contribute to dragging sailors down—all three Hood survivors described being pulled down in some way.
EPISODE III: A CHANCE TO STRIKE
• WHY DID THE BRITISH KEEP ATTACKING ALLIES?: During most combat operations, ships tried to maintain radio silence so that listening stations on land didn’t triangulate their signal and inform enemy vessels of their position. This meant a ship’s location wasn’t always clear, and it was hard for pilots to recognize the size and silhouette of a ship when hurtling at it from several miles out. Mistakes were common.
• TIME TRAVELING SHIPS AND ENIGMA ROTORS: We accidentally depicted some ships with post-war modernizations like angled flight decks. We also used the destroyer HMS Sheffield (D80)—which the Argentine Navy famously sunk during the Falklands War—instead of the cruiser HMS Sheffield (C24). Also, we misstated the number of rotors on the Enigma: the standard version had three and the naval version had four.
EPISODE IV: SINKING THE BISMARCK
• WASN’T THE BISMARCK SCUTTLED?: Yes. The crew set scuttling charges, partially because regulations mandated that they be set before an evacuation could take place. But Bismarck was already foundering and most assessments agree that she would’ve sunk within a day or half a day—so really the British sank her, the scuttling just sped it up.
• WHY DID THE ROYAL NAVY KEEP SHOOTING?: According to naval procedure, Tovey couldn’t stop firing until Bismarck struck her colors, which she never did. The feelings about this were very mixed among the British sailors. The HMS Rodney’s chaplain really did beg his captain to stop the shelling.
• WAS THERE REALLY A U-BOAT?: The lookout on the Dorsetshire spotted U-74, which had come to pick up Bismarck’s war diary at the request of Admiral Lütjens. U-74 later rescued three men clinging to a raft.
WALPOLE
In 1732, King George II gifted Walpole the residence at 10 Downing Street, where Winston Churchill lived and worked during WWII.
Too easy? Ok!
The Prinz Eugen was named after Prince Eugene of Savoy, an Italian-French general who served the Austrian Habsburgs. In 1731, Eugene was responsible for hammering out the Second Treaty of Vienna, which reoriented European politics by breaking Britain away from its ally France and instead aligning it with Austria. Who steered this on the British side? WALPOLE.
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Oof, watching this video made my jaw hurt... What's the craziest superstition or story around dental hygiene that you've heard of? (I'm a big fan of George Washington's insane variety of fake chompers personally)
Edit: Whoa, y'all really like the gross stuff huh? That's awesome, but we want to clarify: the bit between Rob and Matt is a joke Rob himself wrote for a couple of reasons. First and foremost, dental phobias are incredibly common and we wanted to make sure we didn't squick out anyone unnecessarily. Two, because dental medicine stagnated for a while during the Medieval era, the joke let us bridge ancient dentistry to more modern dentistry smoothly. Three, we didn't actually remove all that much detail from the procedures and tried to leave in enough that the bold of heart and strong of stomach and could go searching themselves, if they wanted to. But for those who want it, here's the elaboration from Rob:
ROMAN CIRCULAR SAW: Basically, they'd trephine the infected tooth open, then pack it with arsenic killing the nerve.
RED-HOT POKER: This was Celsus. When a gum ulcer did not respond to vinegar and chewing unripe pears and apples (?) he recommended cauterizing it with a red-hot iron (?!).
AS A MOUTHWASH?: Romans believed urine was a great mouthwash, especially the urine of young boys. Apparently, kids would make money by hanging out in alleys with cups for this purpose. (Oh, the glory that was Rome!)
ST. APPOLONIA: We covered it in the episode. Depending on the story a mob/Roman soldiers pulled out her teeth before her martyrdom.
And that's really it. Next week's episode is much more straightforward.
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A few extra LIES from Episode 6, which hadn't aired when we taped this segment:
H1N1: Many of you correctly pointed out that H1N1 is Swine Flu, not Avian Flu. This is correct, though many theories hold that Spanish Flu was an avian virus that got its genes re-sorted in a pig. In fact, some theories suggest it was an avian flu that jumped to humans, who gave it to pigs, who then gave it back to humans!
ALEXANDER FLEMING AND PFEIFFER'S BACILLUS: We mentioned that Alexander Fleming left his samples out overnight—but it's worse than that, he left them out when he went on vacation. And strangely, he didn't seem to understand that his discovery was about to reshape medicine. In fact, his paper introducing penicillin mostly proposed it as a research aid for isolating—guess what?—Pfeiffer's bacillus! Penicillin didn't effect Pfeiffer's bacillus, so the paper was mostly about this amazing substance that would kill all the other bacteria that tended to make Pfeiffer's so hard to isolate. Which just goes to show how people were still hunting Pfeiffer's, even into the 1920s.
HOOD MODEL: Great job everyone on spotting my model of HMS Hood! I built it to get a feel for the ship while writing Hunting the Bismarck. But so far no one's spotted the real WWI relic on my desk or in the background. Any guesses?
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Women were respected as stewards of the land, who tended the farms and brought in the majority of their nation's food, about 65% (with the remainder brought in by the men's fishing and hunting). They were also heads of the clans, which in many ways was a social identity that extended beyond tribal affiliation, and Haudenosaunee culture is matrilineal, meaning identity is derived from one's mother, not (as in most European societies) from the father. There were also women's councils, and you'll notice around 6:26 that Jigonsaseh is meeting with an Oneida women's council, whose approval was just as necessary as the men's council (whom Hiawatha is meeting with) for the nation to agree to the Peacemaker's proposed alliance.
So while there were distinct gender roles, and during this time (because war - waged by men - played such an outsized role) women's power and roles in society were threatened by the prevalance of war, women had a fundamentally important place in the society, so Jigonsaseh was not only welcome but necessary since only she could go among the women's councils. Later, many of those social principles regarding women will become codified when the Great Law of Peace becomes a formal constitution, and Jigonsaseh will play an important part in shaping the ways that women participate in the new form of government that the Peacemaker wants to create.
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+Robert Faber That is exactly why I wanted to use the name Iran, not Persia, for this series. Regardless of what anyone thinks of their present state, Iran has a long and storied history. Like every nation on earth, that history includes elements that we might consider good alongside those we might consider bad, and ALL of those events shape a legacy which informs who the Iranian people are and (rightfully) how they think of themselves. When we create an arbitrary distinction - "this is Persia, NOT Iran" - just because some of us in the West have complicated associations with Iran today, we are attempting to separate those people from their legacy. It is not for any of us to say that the history of modern Iran is any more or less authentically Iranian than its history in the Middle Ages, and frankly I think it is harmful to everyone if we try. We gain a better understanding of how the Iran we know today came to be when we are willing to see it as the inheritor of an incredibly long history; we gain a better understanding of the Iranian people when we are ready to see them as not simply defined by their modern state but also inspired by their past. And if you have qualms about the modern state (which, frankly, I understand) then it is all the more important to remember a time like this one, when Iran was decidedly different but still Iran, because finding pride in remembrance of how Iran has been may better lead to finding strength to reshape what it has become. -Soraya
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