Comments by "" (@diadetediotedio6918) on "There is Rust in the Kernel!" video.

  1.  @krunkle5136  What?
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  2. Alan Turing would be happy
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  3. Well, technically speaking you could do anything you do in C with any low-level language, the point is more about practicality and security in general
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  4.  @citrusNikOs  ? you just need to not use the std-library
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  5. Rust has a GCC compiler going on
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  6.  @Leonard_MT  Please explain the reasons beside your statement, because I do use cargo and it's very nice to work with
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  7. Why aren't you projecting your own circuits then, instead of using the abstraction layer which is assembly?
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  8.  @finnmonstar  It is just random hatred
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  9.  @ducksies  Oh yes, that I agree. From what I've seen, however, there already exists at least one crate that seeks to allow explicit tail calls in the language, and a proposal is in progress, but I've never tested them to make sure they work as expected.
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  10. You're pretty wrong
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  11.  @citrusNikOs  Cargo is not strictly centralized, it's a repository system, you can self-host your own server if that bothers you. It's also not an unnecessarily complex system, most modern languages literally have package management systems native to the ecosystem.
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  12.  @FredericodeOliveiraLinhares  I don't get it dear, there is insecure code in virtually everything, the point of Rust is that it lessens the need to write insecure code <all the time>. Just look at Asahi Lina's amazing work on the M1 GPU drivers, where she attributed an immensely greater ease in working with Rust compared to C precisely due to all the properties of the language.
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  13.  @rogo7330  yes.
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  14. By commonly used definitions almost any language that is not strictly C or ASM is going to be OOP, so why bother?
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  15. lmao
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  16. Rust is not from Mozilla nowadays
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  17. bias, ooooooh the bias
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  18. Why do you think that?
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  19.  @ducksies  Tail call optimizations can happen in Rust, but aren't guarantee
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  20.  @ducksies  That would be surely amazing
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  21.  @juicygirls3989  I don't understand your point here, any self-respecting server must update its kernel regularly, or it is subject to a series of problems and possible security exploits
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  22. Quebrei
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  23.  @FredericodeOliveiraLinhares  C++ is safer than C but not more safer than Rust, I still don't get your point here.
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  24. I broke
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  25.  @swordcreeper7754  Obviously you are wrong when still in 2022 memory security problems in programs written in C/C++ are some of the main problems we face in computing.
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  26.  @swordcreeper7754  I wouldn't say that Rust takes away the programmer's freedom, any more than a magnetic screwdriver would take away its users' freedom, or a car with crash sensors, I think that's more a way of ensuring that errors don't occur than a freedom removal per se (besides that you can evade most of the rust rules, you just need to use insecure code). I would say that in a way, we need to restrict ourselves whenever we are going to write secure and readable code, this is true for Rust but also for C, C++ or any low-level language, if you turn on static analysis in languages like C or C++ (or if you focus on just using smart pointers, they are the recommended patterns to write memory management) you would also be "restricting your freedom" in some sense, I would say it's just the principle of languages that differs this feeling, in the sense that one brings it by default, and the others you need to turn it on , both are a choice.
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  27.  @diobrando2160  No, this does not "defeat the point of using Rust", insecure code exists in all languages, the difference lies in the intensity of its use and the ability to efficiently encapsulate insecure code in secure code. This is a beginner's argument and it's pretty bad. And yes, C, C++ and Rust are low-level languages, they just aren't low-level languages compared to ASM and even lower-level languages, however clearly they are low-level compared to more abstract languages like C#, JavaScript, Python , etc...
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