Comments by "" (@diadetediotedio6918) on "The Lunduke Journal"
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@skaruts
> But the point is, do you really want people to enforce property ownership and contracts themselves?
Also yes.
> And what happens when you fail to enforce ownership of what's rightfully yours?
The same exact thing that happens when you have a state, you seek for help from your neighboors and family, or call the police (the private policy in this case). And to be even more fair, I live in a country where if I got stolen the policy would literally do nothing, when it cannot solve < 50% of the homicides counting on the state for solving robbery is trully an act of generosity.
> What happens when you're the weakest?
I make friends with the strongest.
> And what happens when people can't agree on who is the rightful owner of something?
They discuss and settle it in a common ground, like ALWAYS.
> Which part of "you need the state to enforce contracts peacefully" did you not understand?
Again, you did not proved it.
> Are you trying to argue that if I take what you spent the last year working on and pretend it's my work and just go around selling it, that it's not theft?
With take you mean you will remove it from my possession? If so it is still pretty much theft. If you are talking about ideas, then no it is not theft, but telling you made it when in reality it was me (or the other guy, in this case) still pretty much configures fraud on your clients, which is clearly liable and a violation of their property rights.
> You're literally saying that your work isn't naturally yours, and that someone taking it willy-nilly is not theft.
Nobody said that.
> There's no such thing as inherent human rights. Rights don't enforce themselves naturally. If there was no state enforcing rights, there would be no rights at all. People would have to fight for what they believe, or hire muscle to fight for them.
You are free to believe whatever you want, but nobody said for a right to be natural it would be "naturally enforced" (whatever you mean by that), by natural rights we mean the rights we discover investigating the nature of man, the things that are objectively right or wrong and this will give rise for their enforcement. The state is merely one of the many possible actors that could enforce rights.
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@yellingintothewind
> [Unless you are going to go full "no true scotsman", be careful making claims like "no libertarian", unless in regard to the NAP itself.]
This is not a kind of "no true scotsman", I'm taking a principled instance on what it means to be a libertarian. Saying that "no libertarian would become a tyrant" for example is simply saying "if a libertarian become a tyrant, is he still a libertarian?" (for obvious reasons, not, because being a libertarian IS agreeing to certain moral and ethical principles and acting according to them, you are not a libertarian by merely declaring yourself as one).
That's why, for example, Walter Block himself was declassified as a libertarian by Hoppe (part of his article: "If this collectivistic nonsense is not enough to disqualify Block as a libertarian, the following exhibit, demonstrating its monstrous consequences, should remove even the slightest remaining doubt that he is anything but a libertarian, a Rothbardian or a sweet and nice person.") because he was defending atrocities in regards with recent conflicts. Being a libertarian is not an identity, it is a burden that you need to carry appropriatedly.
In this sense I would rather like to qualify more my affirmation:
"If you think someone that is not related to your intellectual creations whatsoever has any duties to you in regards to the fact that your mind "produced" it (duties in the state sense or having responsibility to not disclose or not share and to have legal consequences because of it), merely by entering in contact with the thing and gathering those ideas in your own mind, then you are harming an innocent and thereby you are acting against the own principles you claimed to defend.", which in this sense I think reasonably justifies my initial broad affirmation.
> [Kinsella does hold copyright in his works, because there is, at present, no viable way for him to not hold that copyright]
I did not denied that, I said "saying he holds copyright is a bold statement" in the sense that for you to hold something you must also <enforce> this same thing, which I deny he would do (this resonates with his theory of property rights as well, as for him not enforcing your property and intentions over something implicates in not owning it -- naturally, this is a simplification). But as yourself stated, if there is "no viable way for him to not hold that copyright" then I don't understand what is the irony on it thereof.
> [All that said, please go make sure you actually got the entire context of this thread, as YT has a tendency to screw with comments, and I believe you are confused about me. I bear no ill will toward Kinsella, and I agree essentially entirely with his assessment of the current system. It is only his abstract theory crafting where I do not agree, not that I strongly disagree either, I just don't find idle theory crafting a worthwhile use of time. Much as I think constantly answering "but who would build the roads" is generally a waste of time. The real answer in both cases is people would figure it out, in a context-specific way.]
Hmmm, I see. I think this comment of yours is also hidden, because I cannot see it when I click on reading all of them (maybe it's just a loading thing), but I got the impression you had at least something against him. Either way, I'm not also posing myself against you in a personal sense, this is more of because I found your comment being very strange. I also don't consider myself a particular follower of Kinsella ideas (even though I readed his writtings and agree with many things he says), I can also respect your position that people would figure things out in the real situation (although I don't find this a response to the formulations libertarians do for responding people, theory also impacts the practice and the "abstract theory crafting" -- as you named it -- can also have effects on reality, it is also a good way of verifying the consistency of the theories you defend).
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