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Comments by "Kevin Skinner" (@kevinskinner4986) on "3 proofs that debunk flat-Earth theory | NASA's Michelle Thaller | Big Think" video.

And the people claiming that NASA "misrepresents the truth" have themselves been caught lying about their evidence, so.....
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@brandonideal1402 And more evidence is being mounted that the anti-NASA fanatics shouldn't be trusted. The anti-Apollo crowd have basically ruined any credibility they might have once had. They've been caught-red handed editing footage to remove sections of the original that disproved them, invented fictional scientists or got supposed 'experts' to write about topics as far removed from their fields of expertise as biology is from French literature in order to make their articles seem more credible than they are, and committed PERJURY in order to censor their critics by filing hundreds of bogus DMCA claims in order to get the pro-Apollo video makers banned by Youtube's reporting bot. They are still WORSHIPED by their followers.
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Ironically, the people that tell you to "question everything" have an alarming tendency to only "question" the government and will blindly believe any stupid thing they find on the internet without a second thought.
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Did you know that one of the original author's students put out a monetary challenge to disprove it? When somebody came along and showed that he had FAILED to take into account refraction and therefore his experiment was WRONG, the student not only refused to pay up (no surprise there), but was thrown in prison for threatening to murder him.
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@genehyndman5927 Also..... how the hell do you know that Jack the fucking Ripper is a Freemason when nobody knows who the hell he was? Explain that for me, I'm very curious as to how you know this, and do remember slander is a sin and falsely accusing innocent people of "Satanism" and "Witchcraft" and "Freemasonry" will earn you a one way ticket to Hell too.
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@genehyndman5927 No seriously, explain how you know that an UNKNOWN PERSON is a Freemason and not just a random psychopath. You can't, because you MADE IT UP and are a LIAR. Liars For Jesus still go to Hell. In fact, did you know that one of the authors of the Bible is in Hell too? The Apostle Matthew, or whoever wrote his Book of the bible, is burning in eternal agony because they LIED IN THE BIBLE about King Herod slaughtering children to try and kill Jesus in a massacre that NEVER HAPPENED and couldn't have happened because he was ALREADY DEAD prior to Jesus's birth.
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Just making sure but you do realize that a close moon like the Flat Earthers claim would appear to ROTATE both with latitude and over the course of the night, right? At 3,000 miles high over the equator, the height that YOUR SIDE claims the sun and moon are, it would mathematically be rotated more than 45 degrees from London, the largest city in Europe with a population of 8 million and yearly visitation rate of an additional 30 million, compared to a person standing directly under it. So how does this work, considering that there's no possible way to cover this up. Does it MAGICALLY change direction to face everybody on Earth individually regardless of angle like a sprite from the original Doom?
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Did you know that one of the students of the original Bedford Level Test put out a monetary challenge to anybody that could debunk it? When somebody accepted accepted it and pointed out the conclusion was wrong because he FAILED to take into account refraction, not only did he refuse to pay up, he was thrown in prison for threatening to MURDER the debunker. Classy huh?
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@Justin-oc1dj The Bedford Level Test was disproven over a hundred years ago, didn't the Flat Earthers tell you? There's actually a hilarious true story where one of the author's students put out a cash prize to anybody that could disprove it, then tried to renege and was thrown in prison for threatening to murder the debunker when he showed that the test failed to take into account refraction, a known factor even back then, and tried to claim it. Meanwhile, the Southern Hemisphere have a bit of a problem with the same constellations appearing due south of Africa, Australia, South America, and the Pacific Islands simultaneously despite forming a big X through the center of your map. Can you explain to me how a single man can stand in front of you, behind you, to your left and right, and every direction in between simultaneously without putting his body through a wood chipper? Because that's the exact problem you have.
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@Justin-oc1dj No, I did. I'm referring to my previous comment on the impossible positions of the stars in the Southern Hemisphere, which you, like every other flat Earther, simply ignored because that's what you always do. You pretend that any objection to your model doesn't exist or matter and call anybody with a working brain that voices objections to your claims "indoctrinated". If objecting to a model that requires God himself to wave his divine hands and go "Fuck the mortals, I'm god and can do whatever I want" to avoid a paradox is "religion", then what the hell are YOU following?
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@GT_Void Faking an accident does NOT "increase your funding". It causes Congress, the people that control your budget, to send independent investigators to rummage through your records and facilities, INCREASING the chance that you get caught, and potentially getting your program SHUT DOWN if they conclude that it is grossly mismanaged or unsafe. Whoever was behind this "coverup" is a fucking moron. Grissom had been complaining for quite some time before that. It's not "suspicious timing" if he KEEPS DOING IT. Also, at what point did Grissom ever indicate that he was going to "spill the beans"? He NEVER said anything about it being fake; all of his complaints were either technical issues or incompetence. And no, a lemon does NOT mean fake. It's a slang for a machine that keeps breaking down.
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@2Thes22 Real perspective doesn't cause objects to disappear into the vanishing point bottom up. it causes the ENTIRE object to shrink into a point uniformly. I would also like to point out that at 3,000 miles high, the height that your side claims it is, the sun and moon would mathematically need to be about 35,000 miles from the observer - three times the distance between the North Pole and your ice wall - to even reach 5 degrees above a flat plane let alone get close enough to touch it. Unlike most "free thinkers", I can do basic trigonometry..
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Probably some illusion caused by the camera. The highest clouds are measured to be about 50 miles. If the sun were actually low enough for the clouds to be behind it, it would mathematically be less than 2 degrees above the horizon from London, the largest city in Europe, at all times. If the clouds were 3,000 miles high like Flat Earthers claim the sun is, then the same clouds would be visible for thousands of miles in every direction like the sun is. Since neither of these are true, it must therefore logically be something else, right?
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.... why would the cities be "tilted" when one degree of tilt on a ball 25,000 miles in circumference is about 70 miles? Do you really think you're going to see half a degree of tilt from miles away?
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Just a head's up, the moon hoaxers are so desperate to claim that the Van Allen Belts are the "ultimate proof against Apollo" that they LIED and MADE UP bullshit claims about needing "six feet of lead to cross them" - despite the Belts being the wrong type of radiation for lead shielding (Beta radiation, which needs low-density shielding because it creates secondary radiation when interacting with heavy metals). The people claiming the Belts are impassable aren't scientists. They're anti-government fanatics that have already proven that they are dishonest and have no clue what they're doing so why should we believe a word they say on the subject?
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The fuck are you talking about? All spheres have a circumference, as do cylinders and other rounded three dimensional objects. If pedantically bitching about word usage is your best piece of evidence, then that's a good sign that you should stop being a Flat Earther and join us in the real world because that's fucking pathetic.
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" If science was good why is there more sick people today than in the past" Because there are more people today because SCIENCE has has reduced the number of childhood deaths and DOUBLED the average life expectancy since 1800. 200 years ago, praying for health resulted in you dying by the ripe old age of 35. If God was "good", why does he endorse genocide and slavery, repeatedly kill and curse innocent people for the crimes of others, send wild animals to kill children over petty insults, order his soldiers to slaughter infants in their cribs, and, depending on your denomination, torture babies for all eternity if they die before baptism purely out of his ongoing hatred for the actions of their parents and/or Adam and Eve, two people that nobody in a hundred generations has even met? If a mortal man committed the same acts that God commits in the Bible, they would be considered as evil as Hitler.
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Just making sure, but the Flat Earthers and conspiracy theorists DID tell you that Bart Sibrel, the guy with the Bible, has a POLICE RECORD for stalking and harassing the astronauts and their families to the point of stalking them and snooping around outside their houses when they refused to give him interviews, right? Not to mention that he LIED ABOUT HIS EVIDENCE and GOT CAUGHT editing his "smoking gun" to remove portions of the raw footage that contained shots that were physically impossible with the trick he claims was used. And that three of the other astronauts (Gene Cernan, Ed Mitchell, and Alan Bean) DID swear, right?
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..... but the plane itself would be "upside down", so everybody inside would be "falling up".... towards their feet, and thus would be completely indistinguishable from normal. You didn't think this through, did you?
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Shouldn't YOUR SIDE take that advice first?
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@Justin-oc1dj First of all, according to archeological records, Polaris has slowly moved several degrees since Ancient Greece. The Flat Earthers simply lie and claim it hasn't. Second, you do realize that the other stars are moving too and that we aren't zipping past stationary objects, right? The constellations would stay the same, despite movement, if the stars were moving at roughly the same speed and direction that we are. Surely you've seen a marching band. You might want to check the model you're arguing against. The movement isn't random. We, and all of the other local stars as well, are circling around the center of a giant whirlpool. If it takes a million years for there to be any significant change because of the massive scale involved, and modern human civilization is only a few thousand years old, you're out of luck buddy.
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.... and so they murdered him in a manner that shut down their work for two years with the potential of cancelling the project completely as the ENTIRE COUNTRY focuses on what they're doing and outside meddlers come in to investigate. Meanwhile, I would have gotten him drunk had had him "fall asleep in the bathtub." Everybody that knows about the hoax is going to know what I did no matter how I killed him even if it's not flashy, and nobody outside the project is going to give two shits about a simple household accident.
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You do realize that neither science nor math use the word "theory" to mean unproven, right? Disease being caused by microscopic organisms and bodies being made of cells are "just theories" too even though we can SEE them under a microscope. No offense, but if words having multiple meanings is that hard of a concept for you, might I suggest looking in this magical device called a "dictionary" because there are half a dozen different meanings for theory, most of which have nothing to do with being "proven". If pedantically bitching about word usage is your best evidence, that's pathetic.
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@clov3r04 And you know this because you were told this by people on the internet who themselves have been caught red-handed blatantly lying about their evidence. I mean, the Apollo hoaxers are so corrupt that they've cropped photographs to hide details, invented fictional scientists to write their articles, rigged the results of their "experiments", and fraudulently abused Youtube's reporting system to purge the website of their critics. And yet people STILL trust them.
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@Bongofury361 Have you ever looked at maps of the sunlight patterns applied to your map? The ONLY time it illuminates the Earth "in proximity to it" is during the Northern Hemisphere's summer. On the equinox, it creates a STRAIGHT LINE across the North Pole and during the winter, it creates a CONCAVE light swatch that somehow illuminates areas across the darkness.
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@Oscar Hero There is nothing philosophical. YOU claimed that a statement that is factually false is true "for the purpose of this document". And by "more important matters" you mean trolling like you usually do.
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It only works on at Flat Earth for TWO locations. The instant you have three or more, you will never get the same results.
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Donny, question. is your name Kal-El? Because unless you have vision like Superman, how they flying fuck are you expecting to see the lean at a mere 2 miles when one single degree is just under 70 miles on a circle or sphere 25,000 miles in circumference?
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@yeboscrebo4451 ...... okay, but Flat Earth requires sticking your fingers in your ears and going "Lalala I can't hear you" when faced with anything outside of 3-4 talking points, like how the stars in the Southern Hemisphere move in a manner that that would result in the same objects being located 20,000 miles apart in opposite directions at the same time. There's questioning things, and then there's blind contrarianism. Those that talk about "scientism" are usually the latter.
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You realize that there are videos where they zoom in on a further ship and FAIL to change the water line, even when zooming as close as they can with that precious P900 you people like so much, right?
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Because they are referring to simplifications of variables? Why do those same documents refer to a "rigid aircraft of constant mass" which is OUTRIGHT FALSE because airplanes LOSE mass as they expend fuel..... in the SAME SENTENCE as the "non-rotating Earth"
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By the way, those same documents also make many references to gravity, which you people claim doesn't exist.
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@johnnybandit0153 How could you base your math on a "rigid aircraft of constant mass" when planes are not rigid and do not have constant mass? Oh, well that's not the Flat Earth secret, so I guess we can just ignore that huh?
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@genehyndman5927 You do realize that a video of the Earth turning in real time would not appear to be moving, right? 1000 miles per hour on a ball 24,000 miles around is only 15 degrees per hour. You ain't seeing that without a time lapse.
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@genehyndman5927 I'm just stating fact. 1000 miles per hour vs 24,000 miles in circumference is 15 degrees per hour. That's .25 degrees per minute and .00417 degrees per second. That's basic division. There's no way in hell you're seeing that with the naked eye. If you're really done wasting your time with stupid, you should stop being a flat earther.
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No offense, but if you think "still a theory" means not proved, then you have no business saying "we scientists" because neither science nor math use the word theory to mean "not proved". You know what else is "just a theory"? Bodies being made of cells and disease being caused by microscopic organisms, both of which we can see using a microscope.
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@LK-yd2pc No offense, but if you are a scientist, you're either the type that cheated their way through their credentials or the type that sells their position to push their personal opinions. A theory in science does NOT mean that it not proven. You would know this if you were actually a scientist. The two things I mentioned are called Germ Theory and Cell Theory, both of which are "still theories" despite being OBSERVED. I'm curious. You claim to be a scientist. What is your discipline?
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@acduck2813 You mean the Van Allen Belts the hoaxers are so desperate the claim as the "ultimate proof" that they've repeatedly straight-up lied about them? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Do you trust that the Flat Earthers won't place a second laser closer and use that one as their "proof"? I don't.
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I don't know..... from what I've heard of Vlad the Impaler, Transylvania is quite sharp.
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.... you do realize that he can simply pay Joe Shmoeicles to take the second measurement for him and meet up later to compare results, right? I know that to a modern millennial, anything predating Angry Birds might as well be from the Flintstones, but come on man, at least TRY to think.
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Okay, and every other religion in the world says that that Bible is wrong.
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@steveeasy8775 Okay, let's start off simple. To clarify, your position is "The Earth is not a globe because travelers would feel like they are upside down or pulled sideways while on the side or bottom of the ball" right? Is this correct?
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So....... I take it you didn't hear about Convex Earth's little history then, did you? Oh dear.... So, about a year ago, the Flat Earthers went absolutely crazy, trumpetting their triumph from the rooftops everywhere and posting dozens of mirror videos on their channels. Less than a week later, the entire community went into full-on damage control mode, burning bridges and removing videos as fast as they could. Turns out that a little bit of digging had discovered that it was actually a smoke and mirrors production by a group of convicted con artists that had previously done "experiments" for.... and I wish I were joking.... an ALIEN named Bilu.
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Just so that you're aware, A Funny Thing is one of the WORST pieces of evidence you can bring up to anybody that is actually knowledegable on the subject. The bastard that made it, Bart Sibrel, GOT CAUGHT with his hand in the cookie jar editing his "faking the distance" clip to remove sections of the original that flat-out contradicted and disproved him because he was stupid enough to think that nobody would dare question him and compare versions.
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@ultraniusmaximus1536 The reason I say knowledgeable is because you people constantly act as though this is some hidden secret that the pro-Apollo people must surely be unaware of otherwise it would shatter their world. News flash: It's not. That video isn't a new development. It's twenty years old and has been picked apart down to the bones for over a decade, as all of the pro-Apollo video makers are well aware of. And, like most conspiracy theorists, you believed it face value without even doing one scrap of counter-research to see if the claims held up to scrutiny, which they do not. After all, a video on the internet told you it was true, therefore it must be! And all of those who don't believe Sibrel's video must be "brainwashed" or "ignorant" and not rejecting it because it falls apart like a house of cards if you sneeze at it. No offense, but if you want to show people "government brainwashing", you should start by choosing a video that is actually true instead of blindly promoting a con artist that has been debunked since almost the day that Youtube launched.
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@Justin-oc1dj Hey, it's less absurd than the MAGIC needed for objects to be 20,000 miles apart in opposite directions at the same time in every direction simultaneously. Why do you people NEVER address that?
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@Justin-oc1dj You never answered my question so I will ask it again. How is it physically possible for a man to be in front of you, behind you, to your left and right, and every direction in between without dismembering him and why does it not throw up massive red flags when that is what happens when the observed and recorded movement of the Southern Celestial Pole, which cannot be created by a single spinning dome without invoking convoluted arcane bullshit, is drawn on YOUR map. If you and your friends are not able or willing to answer why your model doesn't even obey three dimensional space (and no this is not the only instance of garbage like this) why should we believe you?
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@Alan-nq5xg I've actually seen this photo before. I also remember that the last Flat Earth article I saw talking about it er.... "forgot" to mention anywhere in it their calculation that the height of the viewer changes the distance you can see. Of course, he doesn't want to talk about the REAL distance photographic record: the one where people take pictures of the constellation Octans from South America when it's 20,000 miles in the opposite direction south of Australia.
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Uh........ just so that you're aware, the Flat Earth community dropped Convex Earth like a hot potato almost immediately after it came out. It was actually rather hilarious to watch. They went crazy for a few days, mirroring the video by the dozen and triumphantly trumpeting their success from the mountain tops. Then about a week later, they went into full-blown damage control and started pulling the videos as fast as they could as a little bit of digging had revealed that their "proof" was actually a smoke and mirrors scam video made by a group of CONVICTED CON ARTISTS who had been claiming to be performing "experiments" at the instruction of - and I'm not making this up - an ALIEN named Bilu. So yeah, if you ever wanted proof that conspiracy theorists and Flat Earthers will blindly believe any stupid thing you tell them despite their desperate attempts to portray themselves as "free critical thinkers", there you go.
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Um...... that's not exactly a compliment. He's criticizing Trump for refusing to listen to facts or reason and continuing to spread wild, paranoid accusations and conspiracy theories that have no basis in reality. Also, I don't think you want Trump in your corner considering that half the country thinks he's... well..... insane.
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@Bongofury361 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEYsgP4CuSA
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@zanesady8084 No offense, but trigonometry shits all over Flat Earth. Your side claims that the sun and moon are roughly 3,000 miles high, right? First of all, London is 3,500 miles from the equator. If the moon were 3,500 miles away and 3,000 miles high, according to trigonometry, it would be rotated around 45 degrees compared to a person directly beneath it from the largest city in Europe. So on a Flat Earth, we'd see either different sides if it's round, or a skewed oval if it's flat unless it MAGICALLY turns to face each individual person like a Doom sprite. There is no physical way you would be able to hide this without magic or technology so far advanced of what we currently have that we might as well be living in the Flintstones. Second, they would NEVER set. According to trigonometry, in order for an object to be 5 degrees high, it needs to be between 11 and 12 times further away than it is high. At 3,000 miles high, that would put it roughly 35,000 miles away - three times the distance between the North Pole and your "ice wall" - to even fall below five degrees above the horizon let alone get close enough to touch it. I WILL show my work if you ask. And before you say "That's only one model", there is NO SOLUTION. The lower they are, the more rotation they will have. The higher they are, the farther they have to be to approach the horizon. No altitude can match both.
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@Oscar Hero Those same documents also assume in the very same sentence that planes are rigid bodies of constant mass, despite the fact that they are NOT rigid because they are specifically designed to flex and the fact that they are NOT constant mass and in fact constantly lose mass as they expend fuel. Why would NASA, if they're hiding things, make assumptions that are flat-out false? Because they are not "secret admissions", but variables that are deliberately being ignored in order to simplify their math.
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@Oscar Hero Even though it would be spongy if you fell into a swamp, but this is ultimately minor beyond a certain height. So what you're actually saying is that "For the purposes of this tests, it might as well be rigid and constant mass even though it actually isn't." Just like "for the purposes of these tests, it might as well be flat and stationary even though it's not." Glad you agree! Thanks for playing.
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@Oscar Hero You should take your own advice, because your basically spouting nonsense at this point and have yet to demonstrate HOW it is "valid" except by spout unlike comparisons. If claim A can be "treated as such for the purpose of the experiment" even though it is NOT, and yet Claim B MUST be literal and cannot be "treated as such for the purpose of the experiment", you have a double standard buddy.
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The Bible says many, many things that no man ever witnessed and expects us to believe to believe them, not because of evidence, but because it was revealed in DREAMS. How do you know that anything in there is accurate? Also, I would like to remind you that your entire religion is based on the premise of "Believe what we say without question or you go to Hell" and used to execute questioners for heresy. Just saying.
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In physics, an object launched from another moving object travels at the COMBINED speed. That's why you can have loose objects on that airplane without them "flying backwards" at 300 miles an hour the instant that they leave your hand as the plane moves under it.
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@ygreaterr Are you not aware of Convex Earth's history? Whren it came out, the Flat Earth community went NUTS and started posting mirrors and links to it everywhere. About a week later, they went into full damage control mode because a little bit of digging had revealed it to be a smoke and mirrors hoax by a group of known and convicted con artists who had previously gone around doing "experiments" for an ALIEN.
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..... why the fuck would they start the lie in THAT time period? Smack dab between the spice trade and early colonization of the Americas is the WORST period of history for the "powers that be" to pull something like that because they will LOSE MONEY and LOSE POWER if all of the ships carrying their workers and soldiers, and slaves, and very, very expensive trade goods are lost at sea thousands of miles away from where they should be because their maps and navigation are wrong.
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@anti60606 Because the word horizon has nothing to do with being flat. It derives from the ancient Greek horos meaning "Boundary." The flat meaning of horizontal is a slang that overtook its original meaning of "of the horizon".
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