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The irony... All of you are conflating the separate characteristics of political and economic philosophy.
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@xmeda The USAAF and RAF in 1945 were not the Luftwaffe either. B-29s (then B-36s) and P-51s and Meteors (the P-80s). The Soviets would have had a large airforce and fuel for about a week.
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@mat_j has the irony. I guess you don't understand or are ignorant of the fact that such things were so common in history that "being put to the sword" is a shorthand phrase for it.
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Perhaps you should actually think about what I wrote. The answer to your question is contained within it.
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No, I was pretty specific. English not your first language?
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As opposed to just killing them outright?
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Sometimes someone is bad or "evil" regardless of what your perspective (or bias) is. War often gives a rational to commit evil actions, and the war between Germany and the Soviets gave it in spades to both sides. TIK is trying to express the utter ruthlessness and barbarity with which both sides prosecuted this war that is very hard for contemporary people to even comprehend. If any thing I find that he is down playing the very subjective "value judgements". He could do an entire video on just the atrocities and what we would call "war crimes" committed during this battle alone, much less the entire war.
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@shakaD88 And then things went down hill from there as production dropped off and the accumulated screwups of central planning manifested themselves, wide spread pollution, killing the Aural Sea, until the whole thing rolled over and died in 1991 and people were once again starving in the street. And do I need to bring up China? Cambodia? assorted socialist hell-holes in Africa and S. America? Venezuela today? The best memes always have a ring of truth.
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De Profundis Yeah I've had that happen to me as well while making defenses of minorities or making perfectly reasonable arguements but using the wrong "keywords". The AIs still don't understand context.
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It started out as a crony capitalistic arrangement. One of the main reasons why the NAZIs won out over the sundry other parties was that they reached accommodation with the Industrialists and wealthy elites instead of seeking their destruction and replacement as what happened in Russia. But as Hitler et. al. accumulated power, they quickly subordinated them. They were just as "state controlled".
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You only have to suck less than the other guy.
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@edvard8449 The US is a hell of a lot more socialist than the founding fathers intended.
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@pietersteenkamp5241 Who is indoctrinated here? Nice talk. Take your pills.
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Those are the Italian subtitles.
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@ITILII Because communism/socialism is extremely inefficient and does not produce innovation, so the only thing it can export for (lol) capital is raw materials, basic goods , and food. When you are a totalitarian autocrat, you don't care of some (or alot) of the people you don't like starve as long as you get more money to stay in power.
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@alexalexin9491 The CIA doesn't troll. It collects.
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@infantjones Provide one novel technology that the Soviet Union created? Just one. The rest of your post is bass-ackwards revisionism and rationalization. You should get a refund from where every you got your education, assuming you paid anything more than the time you spent in would-be communist chatrooms.
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@infantjones Other than everything you state is completed decoupled from reality? The growth of GDP and productivity to both the USSR and PRC post WWII came from primarily the "peace dividend" and baby-boom, but directly from the mechanization of agriculture and the use of modern farming techniques, NOT the "genius of communism", which actually stifled growth relative to the West.
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@2:24 "if you have a understanding of basic economics..." which excludes all socialists. @4:00 Italians are lovers not fighters. ;)
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@ivanmunoz9267 Feudalism was a sociopolitical system. You are making the same error most make about socialism which is both political and economic. There is no reason why feudalism could not also incorporate most any flavor of economics into it the way it did religion as well. In fact, it did as the entire feudal system was a "unified state control" of the means of production until well into the Renaissance, namely the agricultural production where each level of the hierarchy levied taxes demanded of it by the next higher level. So a feudal keynesian (ie; "fair ruler" ) would raise taxes in good times and war, and then lower them during drought. etc.
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Its one thing when you are presenting a perspective on military historical events. But when you are intentionally kicking over anthills of ideology and accepted dogma...
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@EstParum You have to remember to put air holes in your tin-foil hat when you make it cover your whole head.
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@wititorac By not having Barbarossa draining resources away of course.
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Less a civil war more the break down of civil order. Many of the Italian "partisans" were just criminal gangs with only vague political identities who were preying on their fellow Italians as much as the Germans. Mussolinin wasn't caught and killed by an ambush, he was caught at a roadblock the "partisans" were extorting tolls from.
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@pathocrat But yet Germany, Japan, and other countries knocked down as far as the USSR managed to "catch up" to the US and enjoy comparable living standards. But I guess an apologist for socialism has gotta make up excuses and find his silver linings where he can because no one exploits and abuses the masses better.
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@pathocrat Oh and go watch the video again. There was economic growth after the war, but that isn't what TIK was referring to, it was the difference between pre-revolutionary or pre-war agricultural output and efficiency, which was a fraction (that means smaller) than in the West or even compared to Imperial Russia. They didn't surpass that until well after WWII.
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@vantuz8264 Blurted: " UK, Germany weren't knocked down in terms of economics as much as USSR. Japan wasn't knocked down at all." HAHAHaahahhahahahahahha! I love the internet. Its so hilarious.
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@keyboardwarrior9258 The psychopathic and sociopathic are incapable of making moral judgements and distinctions. So most of the time, yes, it doesn't even occur to them, or they decide to "be evil" or to commit evil acts in the name of whatever cause they've latched on to because they lack empathy and don't really understand what it means. So TIK's statement is still true.
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@freedomordeath89 the Dunning–Kruger effect is strong with you. Not only do you not understand history, you don't even understand my post. Take your pills.
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benvolio mozart Except if the Germans had refused the trap and the war of attrition and kept biting off whole chunks of the Soviet Army that had been their success to this point. I donno as @ Nicholas Conder wrote, historically the die was already cast not only by the mentality of German leadership (Hitler) but also the limitations of their logistics. But this was really the last time they could have made this change, and the shock of losing an entire corps (for the first time?) could have been that impitus.
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"All of which makes me think that Nazi foreign policy was inherently flawed from the start" If by "flawed" you mean pathologically psychotic, then yes.
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Yes, the Entente engineered it so that Central Europe would remain weak and divided for the foreseable future. But they did too good of a job. The 20s and 30s were full of ethnic strife and small wars all over the place, and this chaos is what allowed extremists like Hitler and the Nazi party to come to power in German and easily sweep up the remains of Austria-Hungary into the Reich. Opps.
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@pietersteenkamp5241 I see you don't know your Russian Revolution history very well. Or pretty much every single implementation of socialism that has been attempted. But thats okay. Lots of ignorant people these days. You have lots of company.
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@infantjones Nothing you list here is a "novel technology" invented in the USSR all of them were concepts and inventions from elsewhere. Or evolutionary developments of the same. More wishful thinking. Or just plain lies.
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Even when you know the outcome and have read many books on the subject, TIK's presentation is still very entertaining.
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TIK describes himself as a "classical liberal". Web search what that means. By today's standards where the left and right mainstreams are just different flavors of stateist authoritarianism , yes, he's a Libertarian.
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@Blazo_Djurovic They were never intended to eliminate the pocket. They were there to keep attriting them and preventing them from making a breakout or evacuated via sealift, which if the Red Army had left them unmolested, they might have been able to build the strength for.
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@mat_j has to be trolling. No one can be this stupid...
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@vantuz8264 Do you have one that goes like: "If you don't get the joke, then you are probably its fool"?
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@vantuz8264 Your "points" were completely divorced from reality. So no. Other than advise you to go read an actual history book and not neo-socalist revisionist and stalinism apologist web sites.
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@vantuz8264 I don't see how that is at all relevant to the discussion at hand, but that is a nice little strawman you built for yourself.
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@vantuz8264 Except it IS the miracle of capitalism. The reconstruction of the Post-war world could have included the USSR and its sphere of influence. But Joe Stalin was an evil asshole who alienated the West and picked a path of conflict and competition for his country by extension, the entire world for the rest of the 20th century. So they were left grubbing around in highly efficient collectivized mediocrity.
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@tomsemmens6275 Bones in the ground don't care. Your ancestor and all the others are now separated from us by 77+ years of time and space. It is more important that we remember them as they were and what they did as a culture. And that is why things like TiK's YT channel is so important. But yes, It's great that there are cemeteries that are protected. Hopefully they are still there.
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@freedomordeath89 Did I say that? No, I really didn't. Keep digging.
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Turks of the ruling classes from this time period would disagree.
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@shaeemsanjide5476 Not sure what your post has to do with my post, but good try!
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@ Twirlip Of The Mists: It was only the "worst" because it failed. Far more horrific things have been carried out successfully by "evil" leaders/peoples in history. The Roman Empire, Mongol Invasions, etc. etc.
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Or you didn't understand his point.
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The regular Soviet units had their own political officers and "rear security" troops who would provide "motivation" to the infantry. That is what is being portrayed in "Enemy at the Gates" . Were the 10th SS Panzer that got shot up at Nimajen infantry or support troops? I can't recall off hand, but a division has a lot of people who aren't shooters, clerks, mechanics, etc. They would break or "unauthorized withdrawal" and not know how to react to contact.
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