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@_loss_ Frankly, I don't see a problem with either scenario, i.e. Åland swapping autonomy for independence or joining Sweden. From a Finnish perspective, Åland has always been the odd one out, demilitarized and detached from the mainland -- literally, figuratively, linguistically, culturally and whatnot. When Finland gained independence, Åland had to join Finland because influential Swedish-speakers in Finland wanted to see more of their kind -- and this against the islanders' express wishes.
Anyhoo, the point here is that the Ålanders actively take part in defending their homeland instead of outsourcing their defence to the Finns -- or, for that matter, the Swedes.
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@davidcruz8667 You're not as unique as you think. In Finland, we've got an unbroken tradition of hunting that goes back to the dawn of time. Not only that, we were the last hunter-gathers on the continent -- our cromagnon-like skeletal proportions are testament to that. More so than anywhere else, big-game hunting is a national pastime in Finland.
Ever since practical firearms became available, we've put them to use. Every able-bodied male Finn knows how to handle a rifle, if not from boyhood, then after compulsory military training. My late grandfather, a Winter War veteran, made sure all his male grandchildren qualified as marksmen. Many of us reservists keep practising in our own time. We own our semi-auto rifles and keep them at home, too. Myself, I've got a bit of a collection going. Licenses have never been an issue.
The only truly unique aspect of American gun love is your need to arm yourselves for home defence and against tyrannical government. I've never felt the need to resort to firearms to protect myself against my compatriots. I blame our elaborate welfare system and our surprisingly functional democracy.
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@OogaBooga-tq7jc Oh, Churchill did want to intervene in the Winter War, and in case you've missed it, it wasn't to help out the Soviets. During the Continuation War, Churchill finally gave in to Stalin's incessant demands to declare war on Finland, but it never came to blows. Roosevelt, however, stood fast and refused to give in to Stalin. And Churchill, who wasn't completely heartless, sent a nice letter of apology to Mannerheim, blaming contingencies of war for his decision.
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@bobbybastable1061 Julius Caesar, Emperor Claudius, Ragnar Lodbrok, Halfdan Ragnarsson, Ivar the Boneless, Ubba, Harald Hardrada, William the Conqueror, Canute the Great, Louis VIII, Isabella of France and Michiel de Ruyter would like to have a word with you. Something about invading Britain.
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@KINGKING10109 You'd better get with the program. Parliamentary democracies have a head of state, who's either a monarch or a president with titular powers or a president with residual powers, and a head of government, who's either a prime minister or a chancellor. In Germany's case, it's the chancellor, currently Scholz, who's in charge.
So, there's more to the world than your United States of America and your presidential system. To confuse you even further, there are semi-presidential systems, too, like that of France. Sure, it's all a devilish ploy to confuse you Americans. Everyone's in on it.
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@thematic3893 Nope, not all Africans are on the fence. Benin, Botswana, Chad, Comoros, Côte d'Ivoire, DRC, Djibouti, Gabon, Gambia, Ghana, Kenya, Lesotho, Liberia, Libya, Malawi, Mauritania, Mauritius, Niger, Nigeria, Rwanda, São Tomé and Príncipe, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Tunisia and Zambia had the guts to condemn Russia's military aggression.
The clown face suits you. You should always sign off with one.
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Million-dollar missiles? To be very exact, the Block II AIM-9X Sidewinder costs US$381,069.74. I bet the ones used against the balloons were nearing the end of their service life, so they'd been largely written off.
FYI, India doesn't have any indigenous short-range air-to-air missiles. There's only the radar-homing beyond-visual-range Astra Mk 1, the price of which comes to about US$1,000,000. Hey, there's your million-dollar missile. Alas, not American, but Indian. Next time, try to know your stuff.
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@zoomzoom3950 Desperate plea for help? It seems to me a unified approach to the Taliban makes perfect sense in trying to contain the Taliban's worst excesses.
And it's not like Russia packs much power over the Taliban -- if any. The Talibans are not so naive as to forget how Russia eagerly provided military assistance to the Taliban's enemies during after the civil war phase, and later, how it willingly armed Karzai's Afghan government. It also bears reminding that Russia, just like the whole global community, endorsed the NATO-led intervention in Afghanistan.
I bet that behind the scenes, Putin is pleading with Xi for help. China actually does pack some power. They, too, have collaborated with the Taliban's enemies, but at least not militarily. And the Chinese, being the opportunists that they are, are already chummy with the Taliban.
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@RubiaStorm You certainly didn't bother to mention that it's mutual dependence, but it's good that we've now established that the dependency is pretty much balanced and favours neither side -- in oil and gas. In high-tech products, however, Russia is unilaterally dependent on the EU. Vice-versa, nope, not at all.
Suppression, you say? Russia is being sanctioned by the EU for its shenanigans in Crimea and East Ukraine. If that weren't the case, Russia would literally have gotten away with murder. But Russia is counter-sanctioning the EU, so isn't that Russian counter-suppression? You conveniently left that out.
Be specific, which EU countries and which war crimes? I don't care for the US and the UK, since despite them being part of your so-called "West", as a EU voter I have no influence whatsoever on their behaviour.
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Your obvious whataboutism aside, this isn't helping the Gazans nor is it helping Iran. Iran managed to divert attention from the plight of the Gazans to Israel's new shooting war with Iran. This new war is not a land war, so it does practically nothing to relieve the pressure on the Gazans. At best, Israel will divert some aerial assets to bomb targets within Iran, but it's no biggie for an air force like Israel's.
Perhaps most importantly, Israel scored some sympathy points, and Israelis are closing ranks, too, feeling even more embattled. And what was previously a pure proxy war is now a direct conflict, where Israel feels justified to strike at targets within Iran -- something it has not done previously. Netanyahu must be mighty pleased with the Ayatollahs -- they prolonged the crisis and silenced some of his critics, keeping him longer in power.
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+Evan Friend What am I not getting? I've got a deactivated Suomi SMG in my collection. My cousin, a licensed gunsmith, did the deed.
Maybe you're confused by your own ambiguous assault rifle ban, because we've had no bans in place against assault riles in particular. As a case in point, I own an AK that's illegal to import into the US to this very day.
We were specifically discussing this new EU firearms directive and its repercussions before you chimed in with your unhelpful comments. I'm keenly aware of its contents, having followed the process from the start. For the fourth time, I'm not affected, and I own two military-calibre semi-auto rifles.
Spare me the platitudes. Appointments to EC are per se no different than Trump nominating his weird friends to posts in his administration. In the former case, the council nominates and the EP approves -- both are elected bodies. If you're really worried about democratic credentials, you've got your work cut out with the flawed US electoral system and it's infamous product, Trump, repeatedly bypassing congress.
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@B15HOP I'd say Australia's problem is indeed similar to that of the USA. Foreigners, even visitors, are somehow instinctively treated as poor immigrants, who have to mimic your ways to be regarded as your equals. Not only that, I detected an undercurrent of racism in Australia -- whenever I travelled there with my Singaporean Chinese co-workers, more often than not they drew extra attention from airport immigration. I, as a Caucasian, was never subjected to the same scrutiny except once, when I demanded an interview, bored with having to wait for my colleague to finish hers. The official was clearly annoyed with me, but obliged nonetheless.
Maybe it's an Anglo-Saxon thing -- New Zealand and Britain share the same uppity attitude towards foreigners. Curiously, Canada is the exception. It must be their overbearing neighbours.
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@sleepyjoe7843 Do I really need to? You could check it out for yourself, but here goes.
Parliamentary democracies form a cabinet that enjoys majority support in parliament, hence the term. The head of state -- the king, queen or president -- has either just a titular role or has residual powers only. The head of government -- the PM or chancellor -- rules the roost, but only with enduring parliamentary support. Voters typically do elect the PM, who heads the winning party. Exceptions to the rule exist, because it's still all about parliamentary majorities.
If you can bring yourself to mosey over to Wikipedia, for instance, and read the entry for the Democracy Index, you may be astonished that parliamentary democracies dominate the top 10. Weird, huh?
So, was I right about your Muricanness? It would explain your ignorance fixation.
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@D R Germany has Typhoons, Tornados, Airbus military transports, tankers and helicopters, all of which are partly German-designed and built.
FYI, only two European countries are nuclear powers, France and the UK, of which only the former has an independent nuclear strike capability. Speaking of which, the Luftwaffe also has a nuclear strike capability -- they just ordered F/A-18 Super Hornets to be able to drop US nuclear ordnance.
Tell me, is the UK occupied, too, in your book? How about Italy, Belgium, Poland and Norway, just to name a few other candidates?
You've established yourself as even a bigger clown than I thought at first.
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Your understanding of military affairs is nothing to write home about. Finland and Sweden, together with Norway, form the northern flank of Fortress Europe. With both in NATO, it's now sealed against Russian incursions that would destabilise the whole of Europe, plus some. The Norwegians are rejoicing, and so are the Balts, but what do they know -- you're the military genius here.
Even without NATO in the picture, Finland is Sweden's shield, but Sweden is Finland's strategic depth. Sweden has formidable aerial and naval assets that can swiftly be brought to bear on a Russian invasion force as long as Finland's equally formidable land army first delays and then traps the Russian invaders. However, if Russia were to attack a non-NATO Sweden only, for example by launching an amphibious attack against Gotland, Sweden would struggle to withstand it. With both countries in NATO, Russia's amphibious assault force would face strong resistance and counterattacks from three directions. Russia's attempt would be doomed from the start.
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Actually, till Erdogan suddenly came up with his ruse to extort concessions from NATO and/or the US, Finland and Turkey were on amicable terms. Arms sales weren't really an issue, after a Finnish manufacturer of military-grade armour set up shop in Turkey after having an export license revoked. As a bit of an industry insider, I know both parties are very happy with the alternative, which increased Turkey's self-reliance, too.
Ironically, Finland still has a lingering problem with Greece on account of the latter's fiscal irresponsibility, which eventually sparked the European Debt Crisis. Finnish tourists gave Greece a miss and opted for Turkey instead, but I guess the pendulum is swinging to the other extreme now. Kurds, like any ethnicity, are eligible for political asylum in Finland. Sometimes they're granted asylum, too, but never terrorists.
I hope you realise Turkey is burning bridges left, right and centre.
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@thomaskirchberger7401 You'll find that smaller countries are almost without exception pro-EU. They see the merits of co-operation rather going head on with bigger countries, whose economic and political might they cannot possibly match. The EU evens the playing field, allowing these countries to thrive where they would otherwise struggle.
Trump is a case in point. He'd love to extract trade concessions from individual EU members, bypassing the EU altogether, but instead he has to deal on equal terms with the EU. Where even a regional economic powerhouse like Germany would cave in to Trump's demands, the EU can stand firm.
Besides, what's the difference between someone from, say, Nieder-Sachsen, relinquishing some political power to the German federal government as opposed to, say, a Dutchman vis-à-vis the EU? You could say the Dutch have cut out a middleman.
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+patriotistopiano I didn't claim the Dutch discovered South Africa. Who exactly did, that's a sausage to me -- to use a Dutch expression -- but my money is on the indigenous people.
Oh, you've got an imaginary friend in the sky who kindly created the superspecies that you supposedly belong to. But isn't that the Judeo-Christian deity that the Zionists also claim as their own?
My ancestors lived as part-time slash-and-burn farmers and part-time hunter-gatherers for far longer than the average European, which by necessity meant a nomadic existence in a very thinly populated area. We retain the bone structure -- evidenced by our well-defined cheekbones -- that goes with the lifestyle. The Africans kept at it for a long time, too. As a Northerner, I am more individualistic and less social than the Dutch, but am I of a different race?
The are no real human races, just some minor genetic variations. In fact, other species, if they were sentient, would laugh at our species' lack of genetic diversity, calling us inbreds if they could speak. Scientists agree that Homo Sapiens was struck by some disaster that left only a homogenous group of 1,000 or so individuals alive. If you treasure racial purity, you've got it, but it includes all of us.
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+Evan Friend I bought my Suomi KP at a police auction. A condition for sale was that it would be deactivated. I wasn't complaining since it was corroded beyond repair. Given its history -- it was recovered from a secret arms cache -- I thought it would make a nice present for my grandad, who was involved in post-war arms-caching himself. When he passed away, I inherited it.
You need to take up your grievance with Adolf Hitler, who coined the term "assault rifle". I'm curious, what's your preferred term? Semi-automatic-rifle-with-the-outward-appearance-of-an-assault-rifle-but-not-an-assault-rifle-in-the-strict-sense?
For the fifth time, there's no issue with military calibres or magazines in these here parts. Go belly-ache to someone who's affected.
It's not just your electoral college, but also the fact that your electors can change their pledge if they see fit. In fact, electoral colleges were invented in Europe, but we've moved on.
Again, you miss the point. Take Mattis and Carson; they weren't elected into office, and for that matter, they've never been elected to any position of political significance. The EU commissioners, on the other hand, all have high-profile careers in national politics behind them. Germany, which has 15 times the population of Finland, has exact the same number of commissioners as we do: one. I grant you Merkel wields more power than our Sipilä in the EU, but if we weren't in the EU, she would have even more power over us. We pride ourselves as a stubborn people, but we know there's strength in unity.
Democracy-wise it makes no difference whether a somewhat disappointing president or a bumbling one issues executive orders. It's undemocratic all the same.
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+Evan Friend I bet you find it unacceptable that statues don't move. Besides, I've seen how you botch Suomis when making them legal. If anything, that's sacrilege.
There was no controversy around bolt-action rifles, of which I own several, including a Pystykorva in original, working condition. As you say, they're all over the place.
You're defeating your own argument. You screamed bloody murder about unelected EU commissioners, but in the case of Mattis, the matter is suddenly irrelevant. FYI, in parliamentary systems we don't elect ministers, but they are expected to hold a seat in parliament.
If you're dead set against the EU, logic dictates that you should be even more opposed to your own union. Guns laws are illuminating. You've had federal firearms laws for ages. We only just got one. Still, German authorities have no jurisdiction here, but your BATF can come and kick in your door at any time.
For the umpteenth time, you're missing the point. As I keep trying to explain, we gained exemptions, including for so-called reservist's rifles -- your maligned semi-auto assault rifles -- and their high-capacity magazines. To put it in terms you might finally understand, I don't have to live in fear of Germans prying my 30-round mags from my cold, dead hands.
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@zenastronomy If you were to speak of patents in this context to anyone in the industry, you'd raise eyebrows, and for a good reason, too. A patent is valid for twenty years max, while there's no time limit for PDOs. Also, if you were to copy a patented product, you'd soon face legal action, but a PDO'ed product can be freely copied. You just can't call it by its original name. So, no monopolies, and yes, competition.
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@emmawang1999 Now your ignorance is really showing. If you look at the countries that top the Human Development Index, your should be able to tell that the majority have no colonial past as in having had colonies. Rather, there are plenty of those that were subjected to colonialism themselves at one time or another, such as Ireland, Australia, Iceland, Finland, Canada, New Zealand and the USA.
If looting and plundering makes for rich countries, why isn't China in the Top 20? You certainly have a very rich history in that respect, with China's colonialism even persisting to this day in Tibet, to say nothing of the neo-colonial Belt and Road Initiative.
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@TarasBohdan Don't expect a Pulitzer Prize for that observation. Pardons by heads of state are standard practice. Unlike Trump, however, most exercise their preogative very selectively.
I don't know which is more embarrassing: supposedly holding political prisoners, or freeing rioters who were found guilty in a court of law of seditious conspiracy, trespassing, disrupting Congress, theft, weapons offenses, etc., etc. No matter how which stance you take, it marks a colossal failure of the US judicial system, either in prosecuting them or releasing them.
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No, we can stand as independent candidates as well. For municipal elections, all we need are ten signatures from eligible voters, some of whom could be, for instance, my next-door neighbours, who hold PRC passports. In fact, these neighbours of mine could stand as candidates themselves, too, under the exact same conditions. Before registering them, the authorities wouldn't be allowed to ask them about their political leanings or if they harbour "hostile" feelings towards their adopted homeland. Welcome to full democracy.
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@Imprudentman Wikipedia has a pretty good article on the Winter War. Try reading it -- if you still have access.
Where did I claim Finland defeated the USSR? Historical revisionism is Russia's favourite pastime, not ours. As a matter of fact, Stalin very much wanted the whole of Finland. Just like Putin with regard to Kyiv, Stalin sent a brass band for a victory parade in Helsinki, but the column in question got mercilessly destroyed. Even after the Winter War, Stalin pleaded with his then-ally, Hitler, for a second chance, but Hitler was not agreeable. The interesting bit is that Hitler had lost all respect for the Red Army's fighting prowess on account of the Winter War, and thought it opportune to put the USSR out of its misery.
Having grown up abroad, I'm more a soccer fan, but Finland beating Russia -- or should I say the Olympic Athletes from Russia -- in hockey is always a tasty treat. While it's an achievement in itself, the combination of Russia's sense of entitlement and the severe disappointment makes it tastier still.
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@tom4115 Why are you spouting well-worn American clichés then? The French have a long and well-documented military history, with its ups and downs. Yours is much, much shorter, but sure enough, you've managed to fit in some downs as well.
The French led the allies to victory in WW1. Why would the others willingly gather behind a bunch of white flag-wavers? If anything, the French commanders were too aggressive and their poilus too brave, since France bled itself white in WW1.
France, like Belgium, had the misfortune of serving as one of the battlefields of Europe. Don't delude yourself that Australia only fought in WW1 to save France.
Maybe the French should've sent a machine gun team to fight in the Emu War. It's a pity they didn't, because otherwise, you might have won.
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@gcdumful Again, we played no part in colonising anyone -- not India, not Africa, yet you're only too eager to tar every Westerner with the same brush.
I wrote that "we enjoyed a 30-year head start" on independence, which means 1947 -- the year India gained independence -- minus 30 years. Well? Arithmetic can't be that hard.
Furthermore, if you want to compare notes for how long we each endured colonisation, well, for us that would be from 1150 onwards, which means nearly 800 years. So, by rights we should whine thrice as hard as you do. But miraculously, we don't whine at all.
We've never been keen on coal. My great-grandfather was a stoker with the railways, but he never touched a lump of coal in his life. Biofuel, the newfangled name goes.
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Interesting that you'd bring up Finland. Recently, Finland ended up with a right-wing coalition government, the wonkiest government in a long, long time. The weakest link, the far-right Finns Party, had its first minister announce his resignation 11 days after being appointed, after his neo-Nazi links came out. His replacement is best known for switching parties after reports of his transgressive behaviour toward female colleagues got him sidelined. He's now expected to work side by side with the very people that got him ousted.
Technically speaking, the Finns Party is not new to government, but last time around the party split in two after a spectacular palace coup, which consigned it to the opposition. It has experienced two more splits since, both times shedding extremist elements, but not quite enough of them, it seems.
I'm giving this government 12 months tops before PM Orpo follows in Dutch PM Rutte's footsteps and let's his doomed coalition government out of its misery. No doubt, the Finns Party will suffer terribly in the follow-up snap election. Like Rutte after the upcoming Dutch election, Orpo will go on to form a new government, but this time without your "right" Finns Party. I wouldn't be surprised if the Social Democrats replace the Finns Party.
The moral of the story? Real power is a poisoned chalice to far-right parties.
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@nublex Israel only holds on to the Shebaa Farms, of which it isn't entirely clear if they're Lebanese or Syrian territory. Fact is, Hezbollah has dealt Israel several bloody noses, so much so that Israel, under domestic pressure, was forced to withdraw from Lebanon, abandoning its proxies in the South Lebanon Army, which totally collapsed as a result. Interestingly, the US withdrawal from Afghanistan was like a carbon-copy of the SLA's collapse.
I suspect you're not really up to date on factionalism in Lebanon. Hezbollah is a state within a state. A great many Lebanese would love to see Israel destroy Hezbollah, but they realise Israel's militarism is only counter-productive. Like Hamas, Hezbollah only benefits from Israel's militarism.
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@npc2480 Duh, global consumption of hydrocarbons isn't increasing, but rather, decreasing. If Russia loses a customer, it cannot regain its market share without resorting to dumping. The other producers, whose exploitation costs are lower, will follow suit and outcompete Russia on price.
Let's face it, Russia and Germany are stuck to one another energy-wise. Russia needs the oil and gas revenue as much as Germany needs the oil and gas. Over time, Germany can opt out from this toxic relationship. If they do, Russia, with its poorly diversified economy, is left with only poor options, like signing yet another bad gas deal with China.
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@Justa Computa That's a bold statement, which -- I bet -- you'd struggle to substantiate. Mind you, not that I think you'll try.
Anyhoo, so as not to stray too far from the topic at hand, the EU has no doctors on its payroll, nor does it warehouse medical supplies. Individual member states can help one another where they can, but right now, everyone's struggling. Maybe it's the pessimist in me, but I can image you refusing to help, claiming it's everyone for themselves. Still, you whine about the EU.
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+Marcin Dobrowolski Let me rephrase. Not only do you have a hugely inflated sense of self-importance re. the Visegrad Group, but also, you have an inflated sense of how knowledgeable you are.
How do you propose Poland should be bankrolled by the EU if not by improving infrastructure? By showering uncompetitive Polish companies with lavish subsidies or by putting EU money directly into the hands of individual Poles? Infrastructure spending boosts the economy both directly and indirectly. The latter should outweigh the former by far, but only if you make the investment pay for you. By sitting on your hands you can make it pay for the Germans, too.
For us longer-standing EU members, having to compete with Germany is nothing new -- it's been standard practice from day one. No doubt staying out of the EU would've kept many domestic, now-defunct companies afloat, but to what end? They've been replaced by companies that can compete with the best of them, German ones and Polish ones.
I wonder if you're suffering from some throwback to Communist times -- that someone, somehow will solve all your problems and if not, they're solely to blame. In your case, that someone is the EU. The EU is a framework that helps you thrive, but only if you know how to help yourself, too.
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Sailesh Kuturu I see you're intentionally ignoring Chechnya. You must think I was born yesterday.
The First Chechen War (1994-1996) was an eye-opener to the Balts. The Russians brutally squashed the Chechens' bid for independence. Understandably, the newly-independent Balts grew concerned -- very concerned, because they had seen it all before. Lo and behold, Russia established a pattern of aggressive behaviour: Chechnya (again), Georgia, Crimea and Ukraine.
In hindsight, yes, we can only commend the Balts for their foresight. At the same time, we should blame NATO's older members for the lack of it. There was much debate about whether it was prudent to enlarge NATO to the borders of Russia, until someone came up with the idea that the enlargement should not stop at the Russian border. Rogozin's statement proves that Russia was not unreceptive to the idea.
NATO does not vet US foreign policy. Also, the Pentagon doesn't dictate to NATO members what they must and must not do. They have a say in the matter. You must be confusing NATO with the defunct Warsaw Pact, which the Kremlin controlled 100%. By the way, have you noticed how the latter's members made a beeline for NATO once the Iron Curtain fell? Again, nobody held a gun to their head.
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+sam raynes The colonial era is well and truly over. Gibraltar is special in many ways, but it's a colonial relic all the same. Anyhow, Britain has to choose between pursuing the interests of 30,000 Britons in Gibraltar vs. the 300,000 British expats in Spain. Speaking of which, in my decade-long experience, sympathies for the Gibraltarians run low among the expats, who're not only far more numerous, but also much more vulnerable in the event of a hard Brexit. Also, it always struck me as odd that my better assimilated British diving buddies, with whom I often went to dive off Gibraltar, spoke Spanish with the Gibraltarians. They prefer it to English.
No, Gibraltar needs to come to terms with its destiny, which isn't as part of Great Britain. Independence is a non-starter, so autonomy it must be.
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+Evan Friend You don't have to dwell on your disdain for deactivated weapons. It was boringly obvious five comments ago. But you pique my curiosity: how many fully operational SMGs do you own? And remember, emasculated and elongated ones don't count.
No country is forced to be in the EU. Britain is a good example, although judging from the bremoaning, they're bregretting their decision already. Here, I can't help but think of your ACW. I suppose a Cexit wasn't within the realm of possibilities.
The powers of the commission are nowhere near those of your cabinet. I've tried to use the firearms directive to illustrate the point -- the draft was sent back many times by parliament and as time went by, what was unacceptable slowly evolved into something acceptable. But all my careful explaining falls on deaf ears because you're preoccupied with frothing at the mouth.
I'll try one more time: do you have a fundamental problem with enacting common laws but allowing individual states leeway in implementing them? Before you answer that in your off-the-cuff style, consider why Californians can't be trusted with the serious stuff, while Hicktown USA is brimming with it. I feel sorry for those Europeans who don't feel passionate about defence, but we don't have that problem.
It's amusing how you apply your standards to the rest of the world and expect us to abide by them. You certainly reinforce the awkward stereotypes about Americans. I tried to explain that we officially refer to semi-automatic assault rifles as reservist's rifles, but I see my efforts were wasted. But you being your gullible self, you somehow assume being in the reserves is a prerequisite to possess one. Not so. Besides, being in the reserves isn't a quick fling for us -- it's a lifelong affair.
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moonspellsdumb Have you bandied about how our Christian God has a penchant for murder and mayhem? If he's not slaying anyone himself, he's commanding someone else to do it. Pestilence, plagues and famines are his doing, not to forget mass infanticide. Kids really aren't his thing: if they hit their parents, they die; or if they don't wash up before dinner, they die. But neither are adults: adulterers, homosexuals, sodomites, blasphemers, sabbath-breakers, false prophets, interracial couples and those who murmur, he wants 'em all dead. I think you get the picture.
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Boris, me, trolling? I was merely stating a cold, hard fact: if indeed neo-Nazis usurped power in Ukraine, it's not apparent from the composition of their parliament, which is devoid of neo-Nazis.
So, it's US meddling in foreign affairs -- real and imagined -- that makes you gulp up Russian propaganda without chewing. If you weren't so gullible, you'd see that both superpowers (well, one real and the other a hasbeen/wannabe) like to try their hand at meddling in foreign affairs, but more often than not the results are unsatisfactory, or at best, of little significance. Examples that spring to mind are Yanukovych being manipulated into rejecting closer ties with the EU in favour of the EEU, which was political suicide. The other example needs no further explanation: the Iraq War.
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@prunabluepepper You should listen to your neighbours. I grew up in Holland, and there was still the odd outburst of anti-German sentiment, as if for old times' sake, after which the queen had to go make amends so that Germans would still buy Dutch tomatoes. There's been none of that for a long time. Instead, the Netherlands has actively pushed for all manner of military co-operation with Germany, and even resorted to shaming Germany into action over Ukraine.
There's something similar at play in Poland, their current populism notwithstanding. Tusk, during his tenure as Polish PM, famously called for Germany to adopt a more outspoken foreign policy, including investing in military rearmament. Boy oh boy, was he right.
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@AlexPThorn Aw, you poor thing. You must be an absolute beginner at commenting on Youtube.
Slander, I don't see it, and I do have a law degree. That said, maybe it's lèse-majesté if you're the King of Thailand and you're called an American. ฝ่าบาท?
Hit and run? If so, I'm running over you time and time again.
As to calling you by your first name, you'll have to take that up with the Youtube web developers. I simply hit the relevant reply button, which I see you managed as well, despite being the n00b that you are.
Yes, do yourself a favour and leave, because Youtube is too dangerous a place for the likes of you. The risk of having your feelings hurt is just too great.
I'll wait for the karma police to come and arrest me.
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+Carl 123 You're in denial, or a bit thick. True, EU law no longer reigns supreme in the UK. In the future, when Brussels passes a new law, Whitehall gets to make a pantomime of it, pretending that the bill is 100% British before passing it. Gullible Brexiteers such as yourself will be jubilant, because the "decision" was made in London, not Brussels. As a matter of fact, this is already the new reality. In a year's time, Whitehall has already rubber-stamped 700 EU laws, and the pace is picking up.
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@juliapigworthy You were implying that some EU members will soon follow in the UK's footsteps and leave the union. I argued that it makes precious little sense even for the rebelling ones in East Europe. Not only because the mere process of leaving would prove very costly (the Bank of England can attest), but also, they'd miss out on the Cohesion Fund. Because of your shortsightedness you can't see the benefits, but I consider the Cohesion Fund a sound investment, since East Europe has a lot of growth potential. In the end, we will all benefit -- except for you, that is.
Your "Singapore-on-Thames" scenario is not a credible proposition. In response, the EU members would demand more tariffs and quotas to protect them from what they consider unfair competition. That would jeopardize the UK's financial sector in particular and another wave of Brexodus would follow. Moreover, even a partial dismantling of Britain's welfare system would pave the way for a Labour government, which would quickly turn back the clock. Having lived for fifteen years in Singapore, I know its austere social model is wholly unacceptable to the British electorate.
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Sure, Russia is presently managing to squeeze out modest growth, but it comes at a great cost. The quality of living in Russia has taken a severe blow and recovery there is much slower. The big question is, will the Russians' patience last?
It's not so much the sanctions that are keeping the GDP down -- and let's be honest, Russia brought them onto itself -- but the oil price, which, despite recent gains, is still painfully low by Russian production standards.
There's little to show for Putin's much-vaunted economic reforms. Investors remain wary of Russia, which means raising the necessary funds is challenging. There seems to be widespread distrust of Russia both economically and politically, and the sanctions are -- again -- only part of it. Here, too, Russia should look in the mirror.
Actually, in the 90s, I had a ringside seat watching the Russian economy transform itself. I briefly managed a charity set up by my late grandmother to help the poor in her former birthplace. We had city officials queue for soup and bread since they hadn't been paid for six months. Russians tolerate hardship like no other, but unfortunately, they also have a high tolerance for leaders who don't act in their best interest.
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@Alex Devereaux No, you don't understand. The net beneficiaries in the EU benefit from the Cohesion Fund, which net contributors pay into. The money goes towards setting past wrongs right, like the decades of communist economic mismanagement that has kept Eastern Europe back.
This aid is paying dividends already, as the countries affected are starting to live up to their full potential once more. With the UK gone as a net contributor and contributions of the remaining ones not rising significantly, the Cohesion Fund will inevitably take a hit. Infrastructure projects in the net beneficiary countries will have to be scaled down, but such is life.
In all fairness, the UK, since it's no longer investing in the future of Europe, shouldn't benefit from the new economic opportunities to the same extent as those who still do. Just like you reap what you sow, you shouldn't reap what you haven't sown.
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@goranborjesson5593 You're wrong again. Georgia most definitely didn't invite 6,000 (some say 10,000) Russian troops to its break-away regions Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Likewise, Moldova isn't exactly happy with the 1,500 Russian troops in Transnistria. Ukraine -- Crimea -- has a whopping 40,000 Russian troops on its soil. Azerbaijan's Nagorno-Karabakh has 2,000 of them. Tajikistan, too, has a Russian military presence, estimates of which range from 5,000 to 7,500 troops.
You really ought to do your homework for a change.
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You've got everything backwards. Russia invading Ukraine reinvigorated NATO, not only giving it a new lease of life, but also letting it do what it does best: checking the expansionist ambitions of the Kremlin. Last time, NATO saw to the implosion of the Soviet Union. Why would the rump state, Russia, fare any better?
The EU is not facing an existential threat, Brexit notwithstanding. And it's in a totally different league from your EEU, which is just a poor excuse for a counterweight to the EU -- a lightweight squaring off against a heavyweight.
Yanukovych himself was favourable to an association agreement with the EU, until he had a last-minute change of heart (Putin rang?), signing his own political death warrant in the process. His executors were the Ukrainian people, not the EU, NATO, CIA, Zionists or whoever you chose to blame instead.
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@JayJay5244 I beg to differ. I used to have connecting flights via Frankfurt, which was a beehive during the early stages of the Iraq War on account of the US air base right next to it. My uniformed fellow passengers made no secret of going to or having been in Iraq. Being a two-tour vet myself, I had no complaints about the company I was keeping (although the increased airport security was a chore), since it was a shared US air base and the passenger jets were those of US airlines, but had I been German, I definitely would've minded. After all, Germany opposed the Iraq War, and for all the right reasons, as it turned out. To this day, Germany is paying a steep price for your military adventurism.
You can't fault the former Soviet bloc countries for seeking security guarantees from NATO to stave off Russian aggression. If you Americans have geopolitical concerns and consider the countries in question mere pawns, you should make yourselves scarce from Europe.
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@alexanderyoung6934 Russia is in the spotlight all right, but how are they going to "come out of this more powerful"? Russia supposedly invaded Ukraine to thwart the latter's plans to join NATO. Now Ukraine is for sure going to join NATO, the question is only when. And in the mean time, Finland already did join and Sweden is practically in as well.
At the same time, Russia's anti-NATO, the CSTO, effectively became defunct when Russia ignored Armenia's pleas for military support as per its Article 4. Likewise, Kazakhstan is drifting away from Russia's sphere of influence.
Futhermore, Russia, which is often described as a gas station that masquerades as a country, forever alienated its best customers, sending its oil and gas revenues into a steep downward spiral. Russia's arms exports, too, have plummeted. Russia can't deliver and who'd want jack-in-the-box tanks anyway?
So, pray tell, how is Russia going to "come out of this more powerful"?
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In which capacity did Sweden "have sway" over the US and the UK? Major NATO members Germany and France, despite their active opposition, couldn't prevent the Iraq War either, so how could outsider Sweden? If you're referring to Sweden's self-proclaimed moral superpower status, yeah, that kite doesn't fly outside of Sweden.
Also, you seem completely unaware that Sweden actively took part in the Libya op.
Finally, Sweden's new terrorism law doesn't make an iota of difference with regard to the Kurds, since goody two-shoes Sweden hasn't supported terrorism before either. In passing said law, Sweden lent ailing strongman Erdogan a hand in winning the election.
It sounds like you're desperately trying to find sticks to beat NATO with, but not finding even twigs.
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That's all good and well, but South Africa has 62,027,503 citizens according to the 2022 census. Latvia's population is 1,842,226. So, on average, there's one official langauge for every 5,168,958 South Africans. If we consider he latter number the minimum to bestow official status to a language, Latvia shouldn't have even one official language.
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Vierotchka Don't get me wrong. If a drug company invented a pill that made us forget all about Simon Cowell, I would immediately join the queues forming in front of pharmacies the world over. You being the ignoramus here (and oh-so many other occasions, I might add) may appear like a blessing, but it is indicative of how detached you are from the real world. Everything points to you having created a la-la land for yourself where in true Russian fashion, everything is reversed, bad is good, illegal land-grabs are liberations, arms aid is humanitarian aid, etc.
In a similar vein, I gather you missed the newspaper headlines when the pro-Russian separatists left scores of civilians dead after a deliberate rocket attack on a residential area in Mariupol -- a city they purport to "liberate". UN and OCSE officials confirmed that the rebels -- actually, terrorists would be the appropriate term here -- were behind the attack.
You also turn a blind eye to the fact that Zhirinovsky's neo-Nazi LDPR has enjoyed considerable success in recruiting Russian volunteers -- real ones for a change -- from their ranks to fight in Eastern Ukraine. They used to fly their flag proudly until Putin's minions asked them to take it down a notch.
Like I said before, those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. If that doesn't ring a bell (one can't take anything for granted with you any longer), try this one for size: the pot is calling the kettle black.
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Xover112 Here goes, a non-exhaustive list of "serious political murders" (as if murders aren't serious, always):
- Stanislav Markelov, 2009
- Anastasia Baburova, 2009
- Anna Politkovskaya, 2006
- Alexander Litvinenko, 2006
- Roman Tsepov, 2004
- Paul Klebnikov, 2004
- Yuri Shchekochikhin, 2003
- Sergei Yushenkov, 2003
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Blank Blank Oh, but over here we don't have to give our government military favours in exchange for tuition. Funny that you, of all people, belittle my education. Your poor spelling and grammar suggest that you've been short-changed. And English is your mother tongue, isn't it?
I get that a depreciated rouble helps Russia to balance its budget, but it doesn't save the populace from economic hardship and deteriorating services. Russia is hooked on imported goods, which have become very expensive. Domestic alternatives don't exist or are inferior. Companies struggle to get technology and loans, leaving them hard-pressed to meet demand. You can wax lyrical about purchasing power parity, but fact is, Russian purchasing power has dropped alarmingly.
What I don't get are your repetitive claims about Saudi-Arabia going bankrupt or, for that matter, "our" poor deal-making with Iran and "our" interfering with the "Soviet" sphere of influence. Sure, Saudi-Arabia is cynically manipulating the oil price, but they're gunning for both US shale oil and Russian arctic drilling. The US producers seem to be weathering the storm without government intervention, but the same can't be said about their Russian counterparts.
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+Mariusz Stark You tick all the boxes of being a right-wing populist. The boasts about national pride (which turned out to be opportunism), the worn-out catchwords ("globalists", "elitists", "traitors", "unelected tyrants", "banks", "corporates") and all the other old clichés are telltale signs.
I haven't even started defending the EU's democratic credentials. So far, I've only challenged you on factual errors. You failed to make your case about unelected officials -- they're duly elected, if not directly, then by elected officials. If not by you, then by their own constituents. Just so you know, I don't care for your opinions, but I have a problem with the uninformed spreading misinformation.
Again, you post a link to an opinion piece that seems to have only a passing relevance to the topic at hand. Try to paraphrase or don't bother all.
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ARCSTREAMS Again, please provide sources for your extended burn times. The burden of proof resides with you, since you claimed that the BUK missile engages its target at a leisurely Mach 0.84+, only slightly faster than a cruising Boeing 777. You already found my source, Wikipedia, which mentions a total burn time of 15 s for the 9М38 variant. Wikipedia puts its range at 3,5 to 25 km and altitude at 25 to 18,000 m. If those figures are overly optimistic, go complain to the manufacturer.
Anyhoo, weapons experts have estimated that it took the missile, once launched, 8 to 12 s to reach the jetliner. In plainspeak, the missile went for MH17 like greased lightning. And why not, more kinetic energy means more destructive power.
I'm not falling for your efforts to obfuscate the issue further. I pointed out a clear mistake in your fanciful BUK narrative. Let's leave it at that.
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Sailesh Kuturu There comes the tired old 'mainstream media' argument. Copying from a propaganda leaflet?
Explain to me where my imagination got the better of me. It's all based on irrefutable facts. To this day, Russia remains in NATO's Partnership for Peace programme. In 2009, Dmitry Rogozin, Russia's then-ambassador to NATO, explicitly stated that Russia didn't rule out future membership:
https://euobserver.com/news/27890
There's such a thing as self-determination, which has it that countries get to decide for themselves which alliances they join or form. America doesn't expand NATO, the member states do, and with popular support, too. Nobody put a gun to their head.
Finally, you claim that NATO hasn't grown since Putin came to power. Blatantly untrue, that. Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia joined in 2004, five years into Putin's tenure. Sweden and Finland are on the verge of joining, despite Putin's sabre-rattling.
It appears your fact-checking is just as shitty as Trump's.
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Sailesh Kuturu There you go again, the tired, old mainstream media argument. You have no clue as to which media I follow.
I'm sorry, I absolutely cannot imagine Mexico and Canada forming any sort of military alliance with present-day Russia -- they'd be raving mad if they did. But in theory, they have that right. The Yanks would just have to grin and bear it.
You're massively confusing cause and consequence. The Balts unanimously sought security guarantees against Russian aggression, examples of which abound: Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, Eastern Ukraine, Syria... Despite hastily concocted, after-the-fact conspiracy theories by the Kremlin, NATO played no role in those conflicts breaking out.
Russia will think twice about invading Finland. In defending hearth and home, the Finns are only second to the Israelis, and perhaps the Swiss, in terms of determination and capability. Then there are the so-called host nation agreements that both Sweden and Finland have signed with NATO. In plain terms, both countries will immediately open a backdoor to NATO in the event of Russia's militarism spilling over onto their territory.
So, was I factually right about Russia, in 2009, not ruling out future NATO membership? A yes-no answer will suffice -- I could make head nor tail of your earlier response.
You're deluding yourself if you think Trump can or will radically change America's stance towards NATO. Even if he were to try (he's backtracking on his earlier comments already), the conservative majorities in the Senate and Congress will thwart any effort. Trump knows better than to aggravate his already-wobbly support base. Not that I would mind if the US lessened their role in NATO...
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+James Berry Hmmm, your fragile ego doesn't allow for criticism unless it's accompanied by a comprehensive study of Britain's influence on world history. You're eager to toot your own horn, but you pout if I don't join in. Begging for acceptance, eh, old fruit (say, wear girls' blouses much)?
Conversely, I don't need your confirmation in matters historical. You've exhibited deficient knowledge of British wartime and post-war history, so you're the last person I'd ask when the topic shifts abroad. I'm not conducting a comprehensive study on Churchill's legacy either, so rest assured, I'm not knocking your hero off his pedestal. But your inability to accept criticism against him once again betrays your insecurity.
Just so you know, Britain's democratic credentials have taken a hard knock after the mobocracy that carried Brexit, the hereditary peers meddling with its execution and the archaic electoral system that lies at the root of it all. Comparative studies, too, show you've fallen behind.
There's no market for Horlicks here, just like there's none for Marmite. Don't you know you Little Englanders are a laughingstock in matters culinary?
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+James Berry Don't flatter yourself -- I'm not exactly on tenterhooks as to what you're going to post next. It's a bit too easy to refute your arguments -- if there are any to begin with.
We're talking cuisine. Since the meaning eludes you, here's the definition:
cuisine |kwɪˈziːn|
noun [mass noun]
a style or method of cooking, especially as characteristic of a particular country, region, or establishment: much Venetian cuisine is based on seafood.
If Britons are increasingly abandoning British cuisine in favour of foreign cuisine, as you suggest, I can only applaud their wisdom. But I fear this positive development will be reversed when imports become more pricey after Brexit.
I had French tuition forced on me, just like German, Latin and Greek. Monolingualism isn't a choice for us. Again, you pride yourself with a known weakness of Britain.
You fell for it. Sir Tim Berners-Lee is credited with inventing the World Wide Web (while working for CERN -- another no-go area for British scientists after a hard Brexit). Yes, neophytes equate the Web with the Internet, but it's just one Internet application among many. You really should explore email, instant messaging and media streaming as well. I could make the observation that some of my countrymen are key contributors to the technology behind the Internet -- household names even -- but our intellectual 'cuisine' frowns on braggadocio...
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Jasminewynja I have no illusions about the USA and EU not meddling in the internal politics of other countries. Russia, however, is one of the worst offenders, employing strong-arm tactics that would make even McCain blush.
On the other hand, you have an overly optimistic view of foreign actors shaping domestic policy. Putin foolishly bet on Yanukovych, while the EU/USA bet on the Ukrainian people. I find little fault with the latter. Sure, many Western politicians climbed on the bandwagon, but that was just political point-scoring.
Things being as they are, there's no doubt Putin's worst fears will come true and Russia, too, will experience a colour revolution sooner or later. But once again, the Russian people will decide, no one else.
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Jasminewynja Voters are fickle, and stable democracies have to allow for that. In the EU, governments come and go without much drama. Colour revolutions, on the other hand, are high on drama -- violence even. No matter how you look at it, Euromaidan is a blemish on Ukraine's record.
What I still fail to understand is why Putin had to interfere militarily in Ukraine. Yuschenko's Orange Revolution sizzled out, so why would Poroshenko's have been any different? It's far from certain that he could've fixed the economy before public patience ran out once more. Putin could've bided his time till Ukraine's fling with the EU petered out and made place for a more casual friendship. After all, the EU can't fix Ukraine -- only Ukraine can.
Now, with a war raging in Eastern Ukraine, the Ukrainians are rallying behind Poroshenko and yucky Yatsenyuk. Democracies always decline in times of war.
It good to see you can think for yourself, too.
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***** I'm flattered that you chose to co-opt my biblical reference, but in this context it implies that after a Brexit and the many trials that follow, the UK returns to the fold -- the EU -- with a much-diminished ego.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always suspected that the UK being the EU's enfant terrible stems not from being part of a bigger whole (you even mentioned one, the Commonwealth), but from not being the top dog. I very much doubt your former colonies want the British Empire back, their Anglophilia notwithstanding.
As I keep saying, your biggest obstacle seems to be British industry, who don't see a bright future in non-membership. Also, one former colony of yours, the one across the pond, seems to agree wholeheartedly.
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scan95487568 Note that I didn't claim the Americans were neutral. Clearly, they're the accused, judge and jury here. It's just that intentionally bombing a hospital doesn't help their cause any more than it helps that of the Russians. Sure, in the past rogue US soldiers have gone on killing sprees and committed war crimes, but with a tightly-controlled, high-value asset like an AC-130 involved, that's a very unlikely scenario.
It's a known fact that the Russian Air Force relies less on precision-guided weapons and even when they do, their accuracy leaves something to be desired. Their use of cluster bombs is conducive to civilians casualties, too.
Assad has resorted to state terrorism on various occasions, most conspicuously by strewing barrel bombs over communities that he only suspected of sympathising with the rebels, or just pre-emptively, so they wouldn't develop any rebel sympathies. Given the arbitrary nature of barrel bombs, those are genuine war crimes. Assad knows full well that he'll get the noose if he's ever brought to book, so he's got nothing to lose by targeting hospitals.
It all seems that in your eagerness to blame the Americans, you close your eyes to even worse Russian and Syrian excesses. And you wanted to play the hypocrisy card.
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mike rayner It's not a matter of rich or poor, but rather population size and size of the economy. If they go unchecked, big economies tend to ride roughshod over smaller ones, even if the latter enjoy a higher standard of living, but lose out in population size. Interestingly, you seem to profess that Britain always deals fairly with its trade partners. History is littered with trade disputes involving Britain, and not always in a flattering capacity. Moreover, you don't seem to have a problem when it's UK vs. a smaller entity, but when the shoe is on the other foot, such as UK vs. EU, the situation is suddenly completely unbearable. No, you'll find that the smaller EU members need the union more now that Britain is going rogue.
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FARUMP You fail to appreciate that a nation goes far beyond natural social structures -- tribes, communities, pods, herds or what have you. We can't naturally identify with a nation. It takes hard work and -- all too often -- conflict to unify a nation and keep it that way.
I'm not rejecting social structures altogether, as you seem to insist judging from your simplistic analogies. Maybe you should focus on my views as I express them and not speculate on what I might think and then lash out against these imagined views. Like I said, you're on a hair trigger.
My point is, today's states are not written in stone. A fair number of them will fragment into more functional entities -- sovereign states, autonomous regions, federated states or whatever. Fact is, old fault lines are reappearing and new ones are emerging all the time. For better or worse, Europe is freeing itself from the mould it was squeezed in. Whether you want to call these newly-formed smaller entities nations or something else is just semantics, but some kind of overarching co-operation body is still needed to keep the new normal from getting out of hand. Now there's a role for the EU. Devolution at the base and centralisation at the top.
Belgium is a shining example. Not of a well-functioning nation state, but of how an artificial nation that was broken to begin with manages to reshape itself peacefully into functional entities, two tumultuous centuries notwithstanding. Myself, I found Belgium a happy place, a secret gem tucked away in an part of Europe where you necessarily wouldn't go looking. You clearly haven't spent much time there.
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FARUMP You missed the point -- several points in fact. And you keep at it with those silly straw men of yours.
Firstly, I'm not advocating that we do away with local governments. On the contrary, I'm saying we should empower them further, so people have more say over their affairs and develop a stronger sense of involvement -- devolution, in other words. However, where there are common interests with other similar communities, joint law-making makes perfect sense -- trade, foreign affairs and defence are good examples. Centralisation, in other words. To name just a few, Scotland, Northern Ireland, the Swiss cantons, the German states and the communities in Belgium all adhere to this principle. So much for your utopias and Maoist book clubs.
Secondly, your understanding of Belgian politics is sadly superficial. Belgium boast no less than six governments, which makes the country extremely resilient to political crises. Therefore, not being able to form a new central government posed no acute problem. In fact, it had its benefits for the Flemish, who're increasingly outspoken about secession. But you're the one on hallucinogens if you believe in an outbreak of inter-communal violence in Belgium, which international experts laud as a success story in conflict resolution. In comparison, Northern Ireland is an utter disgrace.
Come to think of it, the Flemish may just be the perfect Europeans. As a small people on a big continent, they're enviably involved in politics on so many levels -- local, communal, national and European. They know their place in the world but they have no qualms about standing up to a central government when it needlessly meddles in their affairs.
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FARUMP Since when do Stormont and Holyrood set their own trade, foreign and defence policy? Do you realise that you're guilty of hypocrisy if you accuse the EU of something the UK is equally guilty of? Besides, Scotland and Northern Ireland voted against Brexit, suggesting that they're comfortable with being in not one but two supranational unions. Incidentally, their neighbouring Little Englanders have a problem with one but not the other -- I guess because the Englanders can't dominate the bigger one.
I'm a hunter and an army reservist. To these ends I own two self-loading rifles -- an absolute no-no in Britain for civilians, EU or no EU. After the terrorist attacks in France, the EC set out to ban the type. After the usual consultations, we're landing ourselves an exemption. It was a nuisance, but I understand because we're sharing this union with others whose populace can't be trusted with firearms that destructive. Furthermore, you must've missed that in the past, EU members have dealt the union serious blows -- the most notable being the rejection of the EU constitution by French and Dutch voters. To this day, EU treaties require ratification by all members. I guess that's also news to you.
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FARUMP Didn't I warn you of hypocrisy? If you persist claiming that the European Commission is unelected, then by extension the British government is unelected. As a Brit, did you get to vote May PM? Come to think of it, did you vote Cameron in? No, you gave the Conservatives in parliament a mandate to form a government, which they did without consulting you any further. It's the same with the EU. The European Parliament and the European Council -- both elected bodies -- jointly form the European Commission. The Commission does propose laws, but the council and the parliament amend and approve them -- if they're not rejecting them outright. Again, very Westminster. Counter those cold, hard facts.
Amusingly, you brought up the House of Lords. In it, genuinely unelected life peers, who have the power to delay or even nix Brexit. Thankfully, the EU is not encumbered by such feudal trappings.
In case you've forgotten, I was championing devolution, which brings democracy closer to the people. You can claim that Britain settings its own trade and foreign policy leads to more power to the people, but if that power is severely curtailed to begin with, there's not much power to distribute. Globalisation doesn't favour small entities in these matters. In fact, small entities gain power by banding together. Not that it's in my nature, but I should be the one commending myself for being the bigger democrat here. You just shout out old and tired slogans against the EU, unable to put things into perspective.
I'm perfectly proficient with a bolt-action, but if you know anything about rifles (which I'm now starting to question) you can't deny that a semi-auto is better insurance against being mauled by a charging bear. A combo rifle/shotgun loaded with a slug is probably even better, so it's not a Rambo thing.
I also know perfectly well that you hunted your bears and elks to extinction on the British Isles, with the amusing after-effect that early English settlers in North America started calling elks moose and deer elks with lasting effect. Amateurs. Now go play with your slingshot.
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FARUMP It's about time I pull out my "thou doth protest too much" line. You're clearly overcompensating in criticising the EU, as if you're trying not to convince me, but yourself of doing the right thing vis-à-vis Brexit. Good luck with that.
The Conservatives might just win the next elections, but only thanks to the archaic first-past-the-post system. But I wouldn't rule out a disaster-in-the-making either -- a shaky coalition with UKIP. You need to defuse that time bomb and electoral reform is just the ticket.
I just compromised with the wife that my son will get an airgun when he turns seven, not six like myself. In other words, we grow up with guns, but not for the sake of it, but because in my family, we've got an unbroken hunting tradition that goes back to the very start of human history. Also, with very few exceptions, our able-bodied males are all proficient in the use of military-grade, fully automatic firearms, too. So unlike your lot, semi-autos don't give us the heebie-jeebies. Say, do you find cars with automatic transmission scary, too?
I highly doubt you would pass our mandatory elk-hunting test without extensive training. Myself, I trained with seasoned French Foreign Legion snipers in Lebanon. Despite being a citizen soldier with only short stints in the military, I could hold my own, no doubt because I hunt. Knowing your inexperience in these matters, I should add that sniper rifles are predominantly bolt-action.
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moonspellsdumb No, no and no. You still don't get it and, by the looks of it, never will. I have shown over and over again that Muslims and Christians aren't that different. Whatever horror you try to attribute to Muslims, we Christians, too, have committed at one time or another. You yourself came up with "he that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone". You obviously shouldn't go near any stones.
Did I try to absolve the Muslims? I think not, because it would contradict what I'm arguing. We all have an innate propensity for evil. Also, where did I say it's a tit-for-tat thing, that Muslims are justified in killing Christians because they're only returning the favour?
I'm convinced that you are an ISIS agent provocateur. Or a complete ding-dong.
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Gabor, why is it that you can't see that the regional instability caused by the Iraq War was a major contributing factor to the migrant crisis? You struggle with the difference between cause and effect, it seems.
Merkel allowed in asylum-seekers even if they had already applied for asylum in other Schengen countries, or were expected to do so still. If that's an open invitation in your book, I'm putting it down to your biased interpretation. I consider it a controversial decision, but I can't help but admire Merkel's humanity and political courage.
You guys? You can leave off the straw men attacks. The Balkan route is pretty much closed, yet the migrants keep coming. It is estimated that one in five drown while crossing the Mediterranean, but they're still keeping at it. This goes to show that they're willing to take extraordinary risks -- risks that we Europeans thought unacceptable. Now, if the Mediterranean route was closed (by blowing the boats out of the water?), the Balkan route would again gain in popularity. Would you gun them down at the border?
You apparently failed (chose?) to notice it, but I already admitted that unbridled immigration solves nothing. Tackling the root causes does, but Hungary isn't helping. Hungary is just looking out for number one -- to its long-term detriment.
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Gabor, it will strain your powers of comprehension, but try to understand that there are many factors at play: the Iraq War, insurgencies, repressive regimes, the youth bulge, unemployment, civil wars, poverty, etc, etc. They're all interrelated.
There's no proof that Merkel's decision -- whatever you choose to call it -- led to a spike in the number of migrants entering the EU. In fact, the data clearly shows that the number of asylum-seekers dropped drastically year-on-year from 2015 onward. So your claim is not borne out by facts. Still, South-North migration will continue to some degree as long as root causes persist. The migrants will always find a route.
You suffer from severe tunnel vision as to what Hungary does to stem the tide in relation to the rest of Europe. You wax lyrical about Hungary reconstructing the Middle East on its own, yet we hear about Hungarian authorities withholding food from migrants. You're a bigoted nationalist who can't see further than his nose.
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@ashishvishwas9952 Finland and Sweden have received security guarantees from the UK, US and Germany in this grey period, while ratification is still ongoing. And Russia's military is already overstretched in Ukraine.
Russia's economy is that bad. Even before the Ukraine invasion, it was a common refrain of Putin's that he'd diversify the Russian economy, cutting its risky over-reliance on oil and gas exports. Yet nothing significant ever changed for the better. Even by the standards he set for himself 20 years ago, Putin has failed to deliver on modernising the Russian economy.
Russian has suffered 80,000 casualties and lost 4,000 armoured vehicles in Ukraine. That's by and large regular army and its newest kit, which means Russia's military backbone is dangerously nearing breaking point. It can still crawl back, but it will be just that, a long crawl.
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@daneelolivaw602 Since you seem to possess at least a modicum of internet skills, you should look into the Spitzenkandidaten process. You'll find that the political parties represented in the European Parliament do nominate candidates of their own.
I don't know if you're well acquainted with European parliamentarism in general, but this is similar to national parties electing a leader, who's best placed to make prime minister if their party wins the election.
Having said that, this time around a Spitzenkandidat didn't win, unlike the time before, but from a democracy point of view, I can't say if it's better that the EP's or the Council's candidate wins. There are pros and cons to each approach, but what counts is that the EP went ahead with Ursula instead of prolonging the process.
BTW, you needn't worry about my knowledge of the workings of the EU. I did an internship at the European Parliament. For what it's worth, I could've stayed on, but I respectfully declined.
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@scottrobinson9752 Russia is hardly the sole source of fossil fuels and raw materials in the world. You brought up lumber. Russia exports lumber all right, but combined European lumber exports alone easily exceed theirs.
So Russia sells raw materials, but buyers of theirs, Western manufacturers, often sell them back as finished products at a tidy profit. My Finnish-born mother, who taught macroeconomics, used to tell her students how the Soviet Union functioned as a colony of puny Finland in this respect. The most extreme example was the Pravda, printed on Finnish paper made from Soviet trees. Present-day Russia is even less self-reliant. You're silly if you value raw materials higher than finished products.
Chinese manufacturers do a lot of final assembly for Western companies. Trade balances lie, because the value of the finished products is calculated, but in terms of value, the Chinese add relatively little. Even that little added value is slipping to other low-wage countries.
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@ДмитрийЩербаков-ш2я Right. My late uncle was a high-ranking diplomat who negotiated all manner of agreements with the Soviets. He was staunchly religious and would never lie. His Russian counterparts thought him a devilish schemer, because they couldn't get their heads around the fact that someone would always speak the truth.
Some time ago, I read the Winter War dairy of a Red Army commissar. It read like a fairy tale. There were outlandish claims about the so-called Mannerheim Line being as strong as the Maginot Line (and designed by the French, too), bunkers with springs that make Soviet grenades bounce off harmlessly, snipers in every treetop, thousands of US pilots facing them in the air, etcetera, etcetera. No doubt, the poor commissar believed all of that. For Russians, the adage that the first casualty of war is the truth holds special meaning.
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You must think Moscow must be taken in order to "beat" Russia, just like Berlin was taken when WW2 ended in Europe. Russia will ask for terms, there will be peace negotiations, Russia will agree to pay war reparations and solemnly promise -- again --never to violate Ukraine's sovereignty again. NATO's newest member, Ukraine, will be judged the victor, since Russia achieved none of its military and political goals. Maybe, if we're lucky, we'll see president Navalny send Putin in chains to The Hague, but more likely, Putin will manage to flee to China or North Korea.
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If resource-rich yet economically-challenged Russia wants to do a wealth transfer to developing country India, we won't stand in the way. However, India would do well to remember where its future friends are. Russia is fast becoming a Chinese neo-colony, and when China wants the relationship to be exclusive, guess who's getting the short end of the stick?
There's also the little matter of the renewable energy transition, which is in full swing, especially in Europe. It means Russia will have to cap its oil wells sooner rather than later, because the already barely profitable oil business will become unwholly unprofitable for Russia. So, don't get used to your good fortune, because it's temporary in nature.
Finally, if China and Pakistan want to make border corrections at the expense of India, you'll have to go hat in hand to the West for arms. For your sake, I hope you'll find us in a good mood.
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@marcelogalacionzepedavilla7776 Aren't you verbose. Every comment of mine elicits at least three replies of yours. You seem to have an overpowering craving for attention.
I have a degree in European history and another in politics. I told you, there's never been a Yank soldier in these here parts, to put it in terms you may understand. Slavery, also not applicable. In your case, extremely applicable. Colonialism, starting world wars, samo-samo, not been there, not done that. Tell me, does geographical association make you responsible for the brutal dictatorships and death squads that Latin America is known for? It must be.
May I say you're doing a very good impression of a stereotypical, ignorant American.
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@marcelogalacionzepedavilla7776 Double replies instead of the usual triple or more. Good stuff, your craving for attention is slowly but surely waning.
It's good, too, that you've been to the Smithsonian. It would be better still if you had developed some sense of perspective. I ask again, do you hold the Canadians responsible for Pinochet's political murders during his brutal regime? Canada and Chile, one and the same Americas, right?
NATO bases in Sweden, now that's a hoot. Incidentally, my veteran grandfather brought back a German helmet and a Soviet bayonet, both personal trophies. Break your head over that one.
I have to say, you don't sound like you've got any academic studies under your belt.
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@Thor.Jorgensen It's difficult all right, but not impossible. Ammunition is a case in point.
Explain to me why Europe is saddled with a myriad of dissimilar MBTs, IFVs, APCs, ATGMs and whatnot. It's not just about ammunition, but also, spares, training and maintenance, etc. I'm sure the Ukrainians on the receiving end could tell you a thing or two about the challenges.
FYI, I spent ten years with a defence contractor, served in the military for four and did an internship at NATO HQ. Your amateurish lectures amuse me.
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@ВикторДенисов-е2л Your imagination is getting the better of you. The Treaty of *Nystad concerned only parts of then-Swedish Finland and the Baltic states. As for Finland, the territories in question are within Russia's borders as we speak. How you think this somehow would render the whole of Finland Russian is beyond me.
Moreover, the Treaty of Nystad marked the end of the Great Northern War, which had proved nothing short of a disaster for Sweden, squashing its imperial aspirations once and for all. Defeated and isolated, Sweden was in no position to negotiate a "business transaction" in good faith. Russia did make payment for its gains as per established custom at the time -- likewise, German states had paid Sweden for regaining their own territories despite the fact that Sweden could no longer hold them.
History sure is fun. We're discussing the end of the long-gone Swedish empire, but we're witnessing -- live -- the death throes of the ever-declining Russian empire. History in the making, in other words. Yet you're harbouring delusions of resurrecting it to its former glory. Not only are you delusional, but also, you're a walking anachronism.
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D GE, a war involving NATO would play out as follows: Russia, true to its habits, invades one of its NATO-member neighbours, Article 5 kicks in and Russia's forces are forcibly removed after offering only token resistance, because the outcome is not in doubt. All nuclear powers keep their arsenals in reserve, just in case, but no one dares to give cause for a nuclear escalation.
Russia, with its economy already in dire straits, won't bankrupt itself trying to match a US nuclear build-up in a renactment of the fall of the Soviet Union. Russia will make a hullabaloo about modernising and bolstering its nuclear arsenal, but instead slightly ups its investment in conventional weapons, because they matter. Nukes make sense for a superpower, but not for a hasbeen or wannabe like Russia. China, a true superpower in the making, on the other hand matters. The Americans make no secret of China's omission in the current INF treaty.
How's the weather in St. Petersburg, by the way?
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@mariusmatei2946 Gawd, I hate explaining witticisms.
In the run-up to the election, the New Popular Front was very combative, and not only towards their arch-enemy, the RN, but also, towards Ensemble. Hence, burned bridges.
There's another expression, of which you're apparently oblivious, that goes "we'll cross that bridge when we get to it". NPF will find its bridges burned. It will have to rebuild the obvious one, but as I already hinted, French politicians aren't experienced bridge-builders.
Now, you had a preconceived notion about my nationality. Let's hear it.
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@Legiion513 French colonialism is a thing of the past -- a past that we were never part of. Moreover, rather than colonising others, we endured colonialisation ourselves, but you won't hear us moaning about it. Just out of interest, how do you deal with the negative connotations of your colonial past? For you, it's not just guilt by association. The atrocities committed by the US in the Philippines (concentration camps, really?) are a good case in point.
The Taliban weren't onto anything new. They simply copied the Vietnamese. Just like the Vietnamese, they bided their time, confident that you'd lose patience before they did. They say that even a donkey doesn't hit the same stone twice. Yet you did.
As it happens, we top the USA in just about any social and human development index. If anyone should feel bitter, it's you.
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@Ютубводоканал Oh, I still have plenty to say. The Russo-Circassain War (1763-1864) that sparked off the Circassian genocide was a consequence of encroachment of Circassian territory by the Russian Empire. Russian-style backyard colonialism, in other words.
In essence, the Russo-Circassain War was no different from the American Indian Wars. The Spanish, British, French, and later, Americans, systematically encroached on Native American territory causing the natives to resist, just like the Circassians did. Neither were saints, of course.
The Native Americans needing to sail to Europe to do their worst in order to have a comparable situation is just a silly false analogy of yours.
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@mitchreine3902 The Commonwealth most definitely doesn't have "more nukes." Aside from the UK, Commonwealth members India and Pakistan have them, but ironically, they've aimed them at one another. Anyhoo, the UK has 225 nuclear warheads, Pakistan 165 and India 160. The US has 5,550. Do your sums, kiddo.
I find your argument about the Commonwealth army even more hilarious. I did a tour as a UN peacekeeper in Lebanon, but I wouldn't go boasting about an almighty UN army -- according to your logic, that's all the armies in the world put together. We were reduced to being a minor nuisance to the Israelis, who literally pushed us around in our peashooter-armed, thin-skinned APCs.
Face it, the Commonwealth has a very fuzzy role. It has no collective defence or foreign policy, and thus makes no practical difference in the world. OK, I'll be generous, let's add "debate" to "sports and culture club."
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@tomzamp8547 Hitler, too, gained power through an election. His armies, too, once found no equal.
As it happens, Trump's most profitable "business venture" is The Apprentice -- which is all about make-believe business. VP Vance, of all people, once likened Trump to Hitler. It goes to show what kind of opportunistic toadies he surrounds himself with. And let's not get started about the "very smart and successful people" that he surrounded himself with earlier, only to fall out bitterly with them. Again, ex-VP Pence is the most poignant example.
Finally, Trump's initial ascendance to the presidency saw the USA downgraded from full democracy to flawed democracy. So much for your hero showing anyone the way back to freedom and democracy. Trump can't find the way back himself -- in fact, he only leads the US further astray. With his flurry of executive orders, he's bypassed Congress. Hitler, too, neutered the Reichstag.
OK, Trump gave his January 6 rioters back their freedom, I give you that.
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Like the Western allies flooded the Soviet Union with Lend-Lease from 1941 to 1945? It kept Russia going, as you suggest. Post-war Soviet leaders readily admitted as much.
Just out of interest, how will you keep going? India's arch-enemy, China, is busily up-arming itself, and India's biggest supplier, Russia, is seeing its arms industry implode. You're already heavily dependent on France, and the US is firmly established, too, as an arms supplier to India. For your information, both are in NATO.
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@evgeniam685 So, Belarus, like Armenia, is a CSTO member. Like NATO and its Article 5, CSTO has Article 4 that says any attack against one member is considered an attack against all members. That didn't work out so well for Armenia, did it?
Lukashenko must be thinking nuclear weapons make all the difference, but that doesn't seem so, now that Russia is quietly withdrawing all its military assets from Syria, leaving Assad high and dry. Why not its nukes from Belarus as well? Russian safety quarantees, nuclear or non-nuclear, seem to be worth diddly-squat.
Great going, Mr. Putin, not only has your SMO left the Russian economy in tatters, but also, NATO expanded eastward and Russia lost its only military bases in the Middle East.
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@TheNelster72 It's a pity that you didn't save your "conversations" from "2016". I fear profound wisdoms are now forever lost to humanity.
The Commissioners and the President of the European Commission are nominated by the European Council, meaning the European heads of state or government, with the blessing of the latters' national parliaments. Typically, the national parliaments' choice of Commissioner falls on a sitting MP, so that there's a valid popular mandate, too. Finally, the EP elects them all. Where exactly lies the problem?
I suppose it would be nicer -- at least in theory -- if the President of the Commission could be elected directly by the 400 million EU citizens who're eligible to vote, but since pan-European name-recognition is poor among even our finest politicians, we'd have to elect ourselves a football player, who doesn't suffer from that problem. But I'm repeating myself.
Since you insist on drawing parallels with the UK government, consider this: Farage was always a shoo-in for the European Parliament, but the House of Commons remained forever out of his reach. And you can't blame the poor man for not trying. It appears the elected go unelected in the UK owing to an archaic electoral system. The EP as a whole doesn't appear to have that problem.
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@TheNelster72 It's *Spitzenkandidat. It helps if you know German.
There's nothing amiss with the European Council proposing a candidate. As I keep repeating, the Council consists of duly elected heads of state or government.
I don't know how familiar you are with parliamentary democracies and how they form new cabinets. It's not like a prospective new PM offers various options for cabinets when the newly-elected parliament is supposed to vote one in. If parliament fails to do so, there will be a new formation attempt, which will lead to one(1) new proposal for a cabinet -- again, not several. Likewise, if the EP had rejected von der Leijen, a new candidate would've been nominated.
There's nothing amiss either with Council members consulting with their MEPs before putting forward their favoured candidate. In fact, they should do so. EU members get to decide for themselves how democratic they want to be in this respect.
I'm afraid you can't see the forest for the trees. Perhaps the EU, which is a one-of-a-kind in human history, is too complicated for you -- out of your league, in other words. Hence, it's fortunate that you're out.
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@mariuschirita187 There are "reminders" aplenty. From the top of my head, Eurofighter, Rafale, Gripen, Spartan, C-295, NH-90, Tiger, Lynx, Leopard 2, Leclerc, Ariete, Boxer, AMV, Piranha, ... I have to conclude you don't know your military stuff.
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I don't know, during my peacekeeping tour in Lebanon, whenever we had trouble with the locals, we warned the elders that if they didn't control their youngsters, the French would get involved, and no one wanted that. The Israelis preferred to give them wide berth, too. In other words, we shamelessly used the French as a bogeyman, to scare the combatants straight.
Moreover, Napoléon is oftentimes credited with being the best military leader in history. He was undoubtedly a military genius, but the tools at his disposal were first-class, too. France also led the Allies to victory in WW1, including the Americans, who for reasons only known to themselves, need to perpetuate this myth of French defeatism/lack of military prowess. It's all the more perplexing since the French presented military victory on a silver platter to the Americans in their Revolutionary War. It bears reminding that their adversaries, the British Army and the Royal Navy, were both considered the best in the world.
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@kevt3318 You're still talking rubbish.
For the record, I'm not a Polish plumber, so I'm not losing out. And by the way, can I say that in my experience, plumbing standards in the UK have improved considerably since the Polish plumbers did make their way to the UK?
You seem to think we're one gray mass, but no, I'm better off than the average Brit, both on paper and in my personal experience, which includes a spell with a British bank in London.
I've never been dependent on your relatively meagre contributions to the EU budget -- or those of anyone else for that matter. All Brits in personal sphere -- and in the high-tech startup scene there are quite a few -- have or are in the process of applying for nationality.
Having also lived in Spain, I can vouch for the Spaniards that they can barely abide by British holidaymakers. British expats are okay - sort off -- but you'll find precious few Brexiteers among them. Your soccer hooligans, those you can keep.
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@PenisMcWhirtar Feeble excuses and self-congratulatory babble. Your authorities have admitted to failings, all the way up to the PM. Moreover, a recent poll showed that more Swedes express no confidence in the national Covid-19 strategy than the other way around. Sure enough Tegnell, the chief epidemiologist, has been sidelined. You're seriously in denial.
In case it isn't clear to you yet, I'm talking about a Nordic context, whereas you've obviously comparing Sweden to other European countries that have had it much worse from the onset. In Norway, Denmark and Finland, there have been only partial lockdowns and mostly voluntary measures, which by and large have worked very well. There has been no public backlash of note. The economic impact is much the same, too.
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The AS90, a game changer? I'm sure they'll be put to good use by Ukraine, but I fail to see how the game radically changes as a result. So far, the Netherlands, Germany, France, Slovakia, Poland, Denmark, Sweden, Italy, Norway and the USA either have sent or are about to send self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine.
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@hamwhacker More pretense. The EU isn't a monolith, but the sum of many parts -- 27 parts, if we exclude the UK. The fact of the matter is, these EU-27 have been surprisingly unanimous in agreeing on the UK's withdrawal terms and this despite the UK cosying up to potential dissenters in an attempt to get more favourable terms. There are many things the EU-27 disagree on, but Brexit isn't one of them.
Let's be honest, Cameron wasn't out to reform the EU -- he was out for more exclusive privileges at the expense of the others. His arrogance prevented him from seeing that patience had worn thin, so he failed miserably. Had Cameron genuinely sought reform, he would've readily found allies, but a privilege is not a privilege if it's not exclusive. Arrogance also made him miscalculate the outcome of the referendum.
Perhaps the best antidote to a poisonous referendum is another referendum, but I see leading Brexiteers are finally falling behind May to stave off something that might cancel Brexit altogether. Good on them, because I think that as a nation, you need some alone-time in the wilderness.
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@hamwhacker You're quite the hypocrite, aren't you? You have no qualms about calling the Austrians, Belgians, Bulgarians, Croatians, Cypriots, Czech, Danes, Estonians, Finns, French, Germans, Greeks, Hungarians, Irish, Italians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Luxembourgers, Maltese, Dutch, Poles, Portuguese, Romanians, Slovaks, Slovenes, Spanish and Swedes mafiosi, bullies, racketeers, usurpers, hijackers, evil-doers, blackmailers and censors. But when I accuse "a striking number of Britons" of having delusions of grandeur for constantly digging up past achievements that have no bearing on the present, you're deeply offended.
But thanks for lending credence to my assertion that in an European context, Brits make poor team-players. It must be especially hard for you to conform to other nations' wishes when they don't exactly coincide with yours. Compromise is beneath you, eh?
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@ying6610 Uh, sportwear isn't subject to a Taiwanese import ban -- pharmaceuticals imported from China are. Also, Nike, Adidas and Apple know their markets, so they're not making rookie mistakes like BioNTech (with Fosun's blessing, that is).
So, again, why did Fosun eagerly go along with a distribution agreement that included a market that's closed off to them? Do you honestly think Fosun was unaware of the problem, or should I say, political opportunity?
You can tell me if answering this question gets you into trouble with CCP censors. If so, we'll leave it at that.
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@MA-hn9vo But we are talking about US military doctrine. It decides the military resources that go towards NATO, and how much is reserved for extracurricular activities. Half and half seems a fair assessment.
You're not alone, by the way. The UK and France, too, have their extracurricular activities. After the Falklands War, the UK invested heavily in a strengthened garrison on the Falklands Islands and built a new airbase there, too. These forces don't come under NATO, because the islands are south of the Tropic of Cancer, and hence, outside of NATO's "area of responsibility". France also has military installations that don't serve NATO in any conceivable way. You have your installations in Japan and Korea, for instance. Non-NATO, in other words.
No need to keep repeating the 2% NATO figure. It's common knowledge. You come up short.
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@duhni4551 Your highly-theoretical motive has glaring holes in it. Estonia, under whose flag MS Estonia sailed, and who, therefore, were placed in charge of the investigation into the sinking, has no subs.
So, in the light of this fact, are you expecting us to believe that Sweden or Russia had one of their subs collide with MS Estonia, and all parties in the joint investigation committee unanimously agreed to a cover-up? I find it very hard to believe that the Estonians, who'd just been freed from five decades of Russian occupation, would even contemplate doing their erstwhile occupier such a service. Also, the Swedes, who've had more than their fair share of trouble with Russian subs (Whiskey on the rocks, anyone?), would not agree to Russian involvement being kept under wraps.
A Swedish sub, perhaps? It's just not in the Swedes' nature, with their high morals bordering on arrogance, to conceal their involvement had there been any.
Mind you, the newly-discovered hole may very well be the work of a submarine, but a massive cover-up by everyone involved? Your (plagiarised) conspiracy theory is stretching the imagination.
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@duhni4551 Nope. The investigation was conducted by the so-called JAIC, a joint commission made up of Estonian, Swedish and Finnish investigators. In accordance with maritime law, Estonia acted as the chair. Also, it was a Norwegian company that inspected the wreck, which implies that the Norwegians, too, are in on your mythical cover-up. And it wasn't just Sweden, but Estonia, Finland, Latvia, Denmark, Poland, the United Kingdom and Russia, too, signed the agreement which declared sanctity over the grave site. Your conspiracy grows bigger and bigger, doesn't it?
Where exactly did I claim that the collision -- if indeed there was one -- was intentional? Moreover, a modern sub with a sturdy pressure hull is likely to survive such a collision, especially if it rams a ship head-on. It does become a surface ship after that, but there's a recorded incident of a Russian sub ramming a freighter in the Kattegat, after which it quietly limped back to Murmansk for repairs.
But I see you're introducing new aspects, stolen Soviet weapons technology and smuggling, to your conspiracy theory, or is it plagiarism again? It's a public secret that a lot Russian weaponry ended up in the West after the Soviet Union collapsed. It's an unsavoury business, but again, it doesn't warrant a cover-up of this magnitude.
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@kuroneko9710 I wouldn't be too sure about that. As much as I support self-determination, a disintegrating Russia is going to be a bit of nightmare. The list alone is nearly endless: Adygea, Alania, Altai, Amberland, Astrakhan, Bashkortostan, Buryatia, Chechnya, Chuvashia, Dagestan, Erzya, Ingria, Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkaria, Kalmykia, Karachay-Cherkessia, Karelia, Khakassia, Komi, Koryakia, Mari, Mordovia, Sakha, Siberia, Ossetia, Pomoria, Tatarstan, Tuva, Udmurtia, Uralia, Yakutia... and last and perhaps even least, Muscovy.
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@dsm5d723 This very day, the IAEA confirmed that it found no trace whatsoever of a Ukrainian dirty bomb. So much for your conspiracy theory.
A Fed troll, me? I'm not even American, dum-dum.
Again, referendums in the EU are purely a domestic matter. Members decide for themselves if and how to hold them.
For a long time, Finland insisted on a 'NATO option', which was to be exercised if the situation called for it. After Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine, a popular consensus formed that the situation indeed called for it. The series of polls reflect that development rather well.
By now, it should be clear that I'm not doing conspiracy theories, so I'm giving your Nordstream conspiracy theory a miss, too.
The 1992 Russo-Finnish treaty declared the earlier 1948 Soviet-Finnish treaty, which did impose neutrality on Finland, null and void. The new treaty, which remains in force, makes no mention of neutrality one way or the other. Moreover, until early this year, Russia maintained that NATO membership is a decision that Finland and Finland alone should make.
I really don't care to discuss an entirely fictional military alliance between Russia and Mexico. Still, if that's what Mexico really wants, the USA will just have to grin and bear it.
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@UCgNs-mXKvfHzSMxMsbMr8jA A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members, they say. I think we can safely conclude that you're not contributing to Singapore's greatness.
The Nordic countries have no brain drain issues to contend with. On the contrary. I remember how Singapore made all kinds of overtures to keep us. My PR interviewer suggested a fast track to full citizenship. When I respectfully declined, she confessed we were the hardest to convince. Singapore even commissioned a love song about Finland, which amused us no end.
Your accusation that I'm leeching off Singapore is an interesting one. I worked for two multinationals, both Nordic and both leaders in their field, with their regional headquarters in Singapore. Despite Singapore's relatively small market size, we employed mostly Singaporeans in serving the whole APAC market. You're biting the hand that feeds you.
If you must know, I'm domiciled in Luxembourg nowadays, which, as it happens, enjoys a higher GDP per capita than Singapore. It's happier, too, and a full democracy. No colonialist past either, just like the Nordic countries. You're running out of excuses.
Say, you're not the same pro-Communist Singaporean who turned racist on me a while ago? When I reminded the person of Singapore's strict sedition laws, he (or she) promptly deleted all his comments and cancelled his YouTube account. At any rate, you seem to be saddled with a similar abrasive personality. You'd better watch your step.
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Oh, I fully expect Russia to sign a peace treaty with Ukraine that is similar to the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, which sealed Russia's defeat in WW1 -- and to WW1 loser Germany, that is. Also, it bears reminding that Germany, too, was still deep inside enemy territory -- France -- when its will to fight collapsed, just as Russia's had a year earlier, in 1917. History sometimes does repeats itself.
Russia should cut its losses already, but with a dictator in charge, that's problematic. I doubt Putin will ultimately suffer defenestration, but I'm sure it will be something equally fatal.
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pinkie perky Regulations exist for a reason. Besides, the UK has been actively involved in shaping said EU regulations.
Sure, going forward, nothing prevents you from deregulating or lowering taxes as you please, but don't act surprised if your products don't sell abroad. Also, don't think you're suddenly exempt from conforming to US regulations, for instance, just because you're newly single and Trump wants to grab you between the legs.
There may be a trade imbalance, but the UK is much more exposed to disruptions in trade than the EU member states individually. For instance, if bilateral trade were to grind to a complete halt on January 2021, we'd suffer a 4.4% hit to our overall exports. In your case, that would be 45%. Do the math.
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pinkie perky Right, it's none of our business, but as always, you have to live with the consequences of your actions.
As to a tariff war, who do you think is going to win that one? In the EU, the hurt is spread over 27 countries, but you'll have to bear it all by yourselves.
In case you are dreaming, services aren't tax-exempt. Has it escaped your attention that France is now controversially imposing a tax on Internet services as well? Try to keep up with the news.
Silly you: the US aren't your biggest export market -- the EU is. In fact, you export three times as much to the EU as to the US. On the other hand, the US are the EU's biggest export market.
Be afraid, be very afraid.
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@malikjackson9337 Natgas usage is practically limited to the industry, and because of relatively cheap electricity and a robust grid, it's reserved for industrial processes that can't do without.
Anyhoo, you may want to reread my comment. I specifically wrote "carbon-free in electricity". You can't command people to get rid of their ICE cars overnight and buy an EV.
By the way, the Netherlands is just about the worst reference point here. Like an Amsterdam druggie, the Netherlands became hooked on natgas. Ironically, the country still has massive reserves of its own, but if they tap into them, the ground starts shaking and buildings crumble. Or the Wadden Sea, which is deservedly on the UNESCO's World Heritage List, gets spoilt.
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@michaelhensley8203 So you whine about veto powers.
The UN's predecessor, the League of Nations, was rendered impotent to stop WW2 when the great powers chose not to join it (USA), ignore it (UK and France), leave it (Germany, Italy and Japan) or were booted out from it (USSR). In the light of this, the UN got its Security Council. It was pure Realpolitik. It made sense at the time and unfortunately, it still does.
As Christiane already hinted, the UN has successfully prevented WW3 from breaking out. Despite its success, you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater and start from scratch, replacing the UN with... what exactly?
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@rf5595 I'm not an apologist for US military adventurism -- admittedly, it's a bad habit the Americans can't seem to shake. But I thought this was about NATO?
But since we're on the topic, I don't see how Russia is much different from the US. The Americans had their ill-advised Iraq War, but Russian troops are uninvited guests in a number of sovereign countries, too. Ukraine is a very obvious example, but Georgia and Moldova, too, have to suffer Russian occupiers on their soil. And if sending Russian regulars is too obvious, Wagner Group will do the honours, like in Syria and Libya.
You keep forgetting that world + dog aren't buying Russia's annexation of Crimea. Also, it's mighty unfair on the Crimeans themselves. It doesn't matter if they identify as Russians or not, they deserve better than to be condemned to eternal international isolation. All because a cuckolded Putin had to act out against Ukraine.
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@omwami9071 I was educated in both (northern) Belgium and Holland. Both the Flemish, who've struggled for their emancipation as well, and the goody-goody Dutch are very open about their colonial history, warts and all.
Russia most certainly colonised Finland, and actively attempted to Russify it. In case it has eluded you, Russia was not exactly known as a benevolent colonial power. In fact, Russia is still very much at it, as the conflict in Ukraine shows.
I alluded to five centuries of Swedish rule over Finland, but you conveniently chose to ignore it. It took the Swedes two crusades(!) to subjugate the Finns. Over the next centuries, many rebellions and uprisings followed.
In fact, there are many similarities between the Scramble for Africa and how Finland and the Baltic states ended up invaded, annexed and exploited. Like Africans, we're still aware of our tribal affiliations. When Sweden set up its American colony, it picked Forest Finns as settlers, since they stood the best chance of survival, being used to living off the land. They got on well with the Native Americans, whose lifestyle was very similar.
I'm afraid it does beg the question why Africa, with some exceptions, underperforms in developing itself. We've been robbed, too, but we're not using it as an excuse.
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@igolferd1 I'm not making it up. "Sick man of Europe" was even used by the Tories in reference to the UK. It was a common refrain throughout Europe in the late 60s and the 70s.
As to the UK having the highest standard of living, where did you pick up that notion? Luxembourg, Ireland, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Austria, Germany, Belgium and Finland all enjoy a higher standard of living than the UK.
You seem to believe the EU was founded in the early 19th century since you think Napoleon is somehow relevant to this discussion. Or 1939, since you brought up Hitler. If you must know, we never had any dealings with Napoleon; with Hitler we had a spot of bother, but we dealt with it, all by ourselves.
In summary, you're full of it.
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@branilavvasic9727 Oh, now you're trying the colonisation angle, as per your dog-eared Kremlin playbook.
I'll have you know that Russia rates among the worst of the worst in colonisation terms. Russia didn't need to go overseas since it could simply colonise its backyard, overland. Poignantly, Russia never left, unlike France, which decolonised a long time ago, save for the (micro)colonies that are just not economically viable on their own, although France would like to see the back of them as well. So, to this day, Russia doggedly clings on to its vast colonial empire and worse still, would like to re-colonise the former colonies that slipped from its grasp. Ukraine is a case in point.
So, tell me, which European economies have collapsed recently? The only economic collapses on the European continent that I can recall are the USSR's wholesale collapse in 1991, and later, Russia's default in 1998.
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+Tom Rogers France is the second biggest contributor to the EU budget, not the UK. And why focus on absolute figures? Would you also claim that the Chinese are richer than Britons because China's GDP exceeds that of the UK many times over? Per capita contributions are a much fairer comparison. Fact is, the UK is mediocre net contributor.
Your off-the-balance-sheet argument equally applies to other EU members. NATO contributions, on the other hand, are a different kettle of fish. Firstly, I, for one, am not under NATO's protective umbrella. Secondly, by the same token the USA contributes vastly to the British defence budget, far more so than Britain in fact.
I wasn't aware I needed to be explicit about being a foreigner, this comment section belonging to a video by a US news channel and all. Come to think of it, that makes you and that equally-thick sidekick of yours, Carl 123, foreigners as well.
You're not footing the bill for our unemployed. We are. Which part of "net contributor" don't you understand? Similarly, you haven't demonstrated any superior technical knowledge of the EU, so rest assured, no egos on this side of the pond were hurt in the making of your rather weak counter-arguments. Moreover, I actually worked at the European Parliament for a number of years, so I think I can claim I've forgotten more about the EU's institutions than you've ever known.
Churchill let Poland down in Yalta, so much so that fellow Tories resigned in disgust upon his return. Funny you should mention the Munich crisis. The Munich agreement constituted a betrayal of Czechoslovakia in which Britain was complicit. Also, Churchill's pro-Soviet interpretation of the Atlantic Charter with regard to the Baltic States made it a complete mockery. As to you giving your life's blood for us -- never happened. Duplicitous promises, check.
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+Tom Roger You're being thick again. You obviously googled my English-language source (http://english.eu.dk/en/faq/faq/net_contribution) yourself, hence my remark that you helpfully verified my source. Why-oh-why would the Danes cook the books? They're official EU stats after all. So, is this another devilish EU plot to make you Brits look stupid?
Since this is clearly overtaxing your powers of comprehension, I'll graciously explain further that, yes, these funds will be left with shortfalls on account of Britain's departure. However, the consensus among the remaining contributors is that the differences won't be made up by raising contributions. Hence, these funds -- reserved for reducing economic disparity among members -- won't go as far in paying for the redevelopment of Eastern Europe, which suffered decades of backwardness as satellites of the USSR. I get that the solidarity for such an undertaking is sorely lacking in the UK, even though you knowingly paved the way for their subjugation in 1945. From our perspective, that makes for another good reason for Britain to leave the union. Just don't expect to pick the fruits of our labour, when Eastern Europe flourishes again.
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+Carl 123 For the umpteenth time, I can't possibly be a Remoaner. Firstly, because I'm not a Brit. We're remaining all right, with popular support for the EU only having grown over the years. Secondly, moaning implies dissatisfaction. All things considered, I'm satisfied with Britain leaving. The silver lining is so broad that I'll gladly take the little cloud left in the middle in my stride.
You, on the other hand, can't come to terms with the fact that the EU-27 are at peace with Britain's decision. In a desperate effort to convince yourselves of having done the right thing, your sad lot makes up stories of great unrest and the imminent break-up of the EU, while reality suggests otherwise. Face it: right-wing populism found a foothold in Britain in the form of Brexit, as it did in the USA with Trump as the result. Continental Europe has already turned the tide. But for you, things are only bound to get worse, as right-wing populism feeds on uncertainty and economic woe. There's no shortage of those in Brexit.
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@MKSense1 For your info, you don't call someone "an ignorant". You either call them simply "ignorant" or alternatively, "an ignoramus". You're ignorant of this, aren't you? You should also work on your punctuation.
To answer your poorly worded question, if NATO's Article 5 does get invoked, Hungary will mobilise, no ifs and buts, just like all NATO members. After all, NATO is not the CSTO, where Russia may or may not spring into action, depending on Putin's priorities.
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Okay then. Poland, Greece, Estonia, Lithuania, Finland, Romania, Hungary, Latvia, United Kingdom, Slovakia, France, Montenegro and North Macedonia are paying their dues.
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@Theworldsucks-kg5jv The Five Eyes are Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the UK and the US. Firstly, they are an intelligence gathering alliance that focuses on SIGINT. I suspect that in your vivid imagination, they operate an army of James Bonds with licenses to kill.
Secondly, as a superpower, the US holds sway in the West, but the others, no, no, no, some. The UK used to be an intelligence heavyweight because it acted as a conduit to the EU's intelligence agencies, but after Brexit, much less so. Like I wrote, a conspiracy theory. You may as well shout yourself hoarse about WEF.
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Perhaps you should seek advice from someone, because populism predates the EU. He may not have coined the term, but Hitler contributed greatly to the definition. Karl Marx, too, was very helpful. I don't know about your political leanings, but you've got the blame game down pat.
You should be talking about fudged elections. Your wonder boy, Farage, and his fellow Ukippers couldn't get first-past-the-post in Britain, but they were a shoo-in for the European Parliament.
Another piece of advice. Don't count on the Eastern Europeans' support. They still hate your guts for what transpired during and after WW2 and things aren't changing for the better. Brexit is slashing the stream of EU money that's flowing their way. Who knows, maybe one spiteful member insists on organising a referendum about the Brexit deal. It takes just one to nix it. You can't cry about it either, because it's the will of the people.
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@anasjudge1937 If it wasn't clear already, I'm giving you zero points for argumentation. You boasted that the UK no longer has to live in fear of punitive tariffs from the US. I showed that that's an illusion (I could've brought up Bombardier, too, whose planes got slapped with a 292% tariff in the US, threatening up to 4,000 jobs in Belfast).
In response to this, you bring up whiskey, and now, vague projections on French economic performance. If you can't figure it out for yourself, the take-away here is that Britannia no longer rules the waves. We, the big boys, make the waves, and you try your bestest not to capsize. Royaume-Uni, zéro point!
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It wouldn't be such a giant step, you know. As it is, NATO is composed of different militaries. The EU members of NATO could form a new clique by forgetting to invite the US, the UK and Canada to the party. Sure, there would be some missing capabilities, but the reverse is also true.
I'm sure that as a navy vet, you're aware of the shortcomings of the US Navy. During the Iran-Iraq War, my Dutch neighbour had to go sweep the Persian Gulf for Iranian mines, because the US Navy had lost such a crucial capability. Later, when he got his own ship, he had to protect US aircraft carriers against enemy subs. Once, during a naval exercise, he had to hunt for a Dutch sub that had previously 'sunk' a US supercarrier.
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@theoligarchstepper You think yourself very clever, but alas...
The Moorish geographer Muhammad al-Idrisi put us on his famous map (weeell, sort of), but there's no evidence that he or any other Moor ever set foot here. Having lived in Andalusia, I can tell the Moors' civilising influence would've been much appreciated.
The same goes for the Romans -- no evidence of them setting foot here either. We were still hunter-gatherers then, so pickings would've been slim.
The Anglo-Saxon-Germans(?) -- I'm assuming that's your roundabout way of saying "Brits" -- didn't "shaft" us either. If anything, the Brits shafted themselves when a British admiral once insisted on burning stores as part of a coastal raid, despite local merchants telling him that the goods in question were already paid for and awaiting shipment to Britain, of all places. The exasperated British admiral explained that he must burn something, so his brave seamen torched British possessions. They and the townspeople came out to witness what must've been a most spectacular Guy Fawkes Night.
Global warming is less of a concern to us with our climate and post-glacial rebounding is still at work, which means the ground beneath our feet is rising faster than the sea levels. As it happens, my family owns an island that grows bigger by the year. Unfortunately, so does the land tax.
We did once elect(!) a king, but the princeling renounced his throne before he could sit on it.
I can assure you, with one of the most elaborate welfare systems know to man, the expense of having children is not an issue to us. There are even municipalities that give you a nice monetary reward for producing a future taxpayer. Immigration seems to work better, however.
We like bathing. In fact, we're world-famous for it.
OK, I've dropped enough hints. Let's see how clever you really are.
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@williamdavis9562 Sure, Turkey wants in. Had you watched the video, you would've spotted the headline that literally says: "ANKARA WANTS IN..."
You seem to hold the notion that being in the same military alliance comes with technology transfer perks. If you knew about the arms industry, you'd know that Germany, despite being a fellow NATO member, has withheld tank tech from Turkey because of the latter's self-serving involvement in the Syrian Civil War. Turkey's indigenous main battle tank, the Altay, has been seriously delayed because of it. Incidentally, the same embargoed German tech can be found on the M1 Abrams. The armour of the Abrams, too, is of British origin. At the very least you should know about the F-35, which Turkey doesn't get to have on account of its S-400 acquisition, which was already mentioned in this thread. So much for your tech transfer theory.
If Europe is a vassal of the US, as you claim, why the sudden falling-out with Europe on Ukraine? And how about the looming trade war -- can't the king in your fairy tale keep its vassals in check? No, you're just unthinkingly parroting stale Russian propaganda. Stale propaganda, because a delighted Kremlin now feels that US foreign policy aligns with that of Russia. If anything, that's sick.
You must've missed the previous trade wars between the EU and the US. It's always tit-for-tat. The last time, Trump quickly stopped aggravating the situation and both sides suspended their tariffs indefinitely. Interestingly, Trump now wants to fight trade wars on multiple fronts. What is it now, Canada, Mexico, China and the EU? That's a losing proposition.
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@ElGrandoCaymano Your claims are curious. The EU's trade surplus with the UK alone is testament to EU products being more desirable to Brits than the other way around.
Moreover, you're creating the illusion that French automobiles and Italian prosecco and cheese only find customers in the UK, which, of course, is utterly ludicrous. Germany exports more than twice as much chemical products than the UK. Incidentally, the same goes for Ireland.
In pharmaceuticals, Germany's exports are thrice that of the UK. Belgium, France and Ireland, too, are bigger players there.
And which airplane parts might you be alluding to? Those in Airbus planes or Eurofighters? Both are a pan-European efforts, with the UK being just one of many partners. True, the UK has Rolls-Royce, but France has CFM, the most prolific jet engine builder in the world.
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@Jay-vt1mw Many times the combatants on both sides of a conflict have left peace negotiations declaring victory, so in such a case, who exactly surrendered to whom? Even historians may never conclusively agree as to which side gained a net advantage and, therefore, should be considered the victor.
The Iran-Iraq War was a case in point. Both countries claimed victory, but neither gained territory, nor paid any war reparations to the other. Russia having to pay substantial war reparations to Ukraine will make this one count as a Russian defeat, however. Also, no matter what, Russia will be saddled with international sanctions for the foreseeable future. Some will be lifted, but not all.
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@nigeljohnson9820 The EU, as a supranational organisation, has to be concerned about the GFA because one of the signatories, the Republic of Ireland, is an EU member. I know you're a conspiracy theorist who insists there's a secret cabal behind the EU that decides everything over the heads of the members, but back in the real world, Ireland had the loudest voice in GFA-related matters within the EU during the Brexit withdrawal negotiations. It can be argued that Northern Ireland's voice should've been even louder, because they only had the interests of three other union members to consider, whereas in Ireland's case the number was 26.
Sure, the prime concern of these other EU members was the post-Brexit integrity of the single market, but the general feeling was that if the seemingly unsolvable NI "trilemma" is solved in a manner that is acceptable to both Ireland and the UK, everything is hunky-dory. Little did we know buyer's remorse would set in almost instantly in the UK. It would appear you can't negotiate your way out of a paper bag.
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@nigeljohnson9820 So, to you the WA is bad because May was bad and the EU is bad because there's this fanciful conspiracy theory of yours. The first part is pure self-criticism, since May was your duly-elected head of government. But I'm puzzled why Johnson deserves none of your scorn, because he's at least equally responsible for the end result, the final WA.
The second part, about the EU being a playground bully that's out to ruin your idealized Brexit sandcastle, that's pure conjecture and circular reasoning. I don't care for your conspiracy theories, and judging from the scant replies you're getting to your numerous comments in other threads, no one else cares either.
At the end of the day, what matters is that your cabinet and parliament respectively negotiated and ratified the WA and its NIP. You can argue till the cows come home that the process and the outcome weren't to your liking, but none of that is of consequence to us. As a sovereign nation, you're expected to honour your commitments and secure your borders, including the ones that you -- compelled by your murky colonial past -- establish between your own lands.
I don't see why EU members would object to Irish reunification, as long as it's done in an orderly manner. You're a self-confessed supporter of reunification, too. I do agree that Brexit has accelerated the inevitable, but rather than yet another nefarious EU conspiracy, it's a natural consequence of Brexit.
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@bahacho9205 You, too, seem blissfully ignorant that the UNSC, which has China and Russia as its permanent members, approved the mission. Are you saying both are puppets of America? OK.
For your info, Iran contributed 2 personnel to MINUSMA. China did better with 426, which is not kitten pee, as we say in my country. As to Russia, which provided none, you may want to ask them why yourself, because I don't know the answer. I do know that Russia is certainly no superpower in UN peacekeeping, but truth be told, neither is the US (8 soldiers of theirs served with MINUSMA).
I don't think you can call the Americans Caucasian. It's not a race anyway, and they're a very mixed bag racially speaking. For laughs, try Anglo-Saxons, and I'll point out that those ceased to exist after the Norman Conquest in the 11th century.
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@uncaringnousername6801 Of course you can -- technically speaking -- walk away, but that doesn't appear to be the preferred option on your side of the Channel right now. The odds are stacked against a no-deal Brexit, but there's always a chance that it will happen, accidentally.
If I have to make a semi-educated guess, I believe May's days are numbered in single digits. Early elections will bring an uneasy coalition of Labour and Lib Dems to power, who'll scratch Brexit altogether, because the alternative, the softest of soft Brexits, is too silly to contemplate.
By the way, you can stop foaming at the mouth, since you're clearly a Brextremist and per definition a minority. But you have my permission to restart foaming at the mouth when Brexit is cancelled. It may console you that I have mixed feelings about that one, too.
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@duncansmith7562 1. Actually, I did a tour with KFOR with bomb damage assessment as one of my responsibilities. I received training for it from the Americans. I'm inclined to believe their reports on Russian losses, because in Kosovo, we found preciously little evidence of Serbian losses as a result of NATO's massive air campaign, and that's what the Americans duly reported. What's your expertise in matters military, if I may ask?
2. No, Russia is begging. Successfully, from rogue states Iran and North Korea, but without success from its erstwhile arms buyers. Russia was meekly asking them if they could spare some of the kit that they had delivered earlier. Pathetic.
3. Russia has no prospect for bringing the war in Ukraine to a graceful end that would justify the immense cost incurred. That's a Pyrrhic victory (read: defeat) at best.
Mark my words, sooner or later Russia will ask for peace terms. They won't be favourable to Russia, but Russia will accept them all the same. The question is, will Russia be so broke that once again, the West will need to provide financial assistance?
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@haiduong-ji9ls If you must whatabout, at least do it properly. Let me show you how it's done: whatabout-whatabout-whatabout the US, Russia, UK, France, China, Israel, India, Pakistan, and North Korea?
BTW, do you have a point, too?
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Maybe you should concern yourself with the question why Ukraine wants to join NATO. And why Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czechia, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Poland, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia have already joined NATO. No one twisted their arm. They were adamant about joining on their own accord.
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@angelakadeer1565 It's true that far-right populists have made some inroads in Europe, but the same can be said about far-left populists. Greece's Syriza and Spain's Podemos are even in government, something of which most European far-right parties can only dream of.
There's discontent all right, but it's with the political establishment. And it's not just populists who're capitalising on it -- I can think of no better example than Macron's political coup, which completely took the wind out of Le Pen's sails.
Furthermore, far-right populism is a global phenomenon. Dumping on the EU won't win you votes in the US or Latin America, yet the populists have a firm foothold there, too. Trump owes his presidency to populism and the likes of Bolivia's Evo Morales, Venezuela's Maduro and Nicaragua's Ortega are old hands at it. I bet the latter three copy speeches and articles by Brextremists like Farage and Boris Johnson, replacing only "EU" with "USA". As long as it evokes nationalist ire, it's all good.
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@TRAZ4004 It seems that for a moment, you forgot that the US is in NATO, too.
In absolute terms, Germany and the UK are the biggest European contributors to NATO. The UK meets the 2% NATO target.
France, which is in third place, is one of those that would meet the 2% target, too, if it would manage to spend its budget. Mind you, France could label its donations of newly-manufactured French arms to Ukraine as defence expenditures, or do same with the compensation that France pays to other EU countries that donate their used military kit to Ukraine. How about your Foreign Military Sales? I'm old enough to remember how we ordered spanking-new F-18s from the US Air Force, and not from the manufacturer, McDonnell Douglas, who still had to manufacture them. Your DoD insisted, like it always does when foreign buyers are concerned.
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@linjinjun5685 I'm just looking for possible explanations why the Chinese, as a people, are unfit to govern themselves while many other nationalities are clearly able to do so, regardless of their equally bloody history and initial poverty.
You refuse to offer any explanation yourself, but on the other hand, you're tacitly confirming that the Chinese people are unfit to govern themselves. You're also suggesting that if the Chinese were given the vote, this unfitness to govern themselves would manifest itself in China breaking up, which suggests to us democrats that the will of the people doesn't favour a united China. Interesting.
Speculations aside, the problem with an undemocratic China is that it's a ticking time bomb. We have ample proof that one way or another, the people will gain their democratic rights. The Arab Spring is a good example. The Tunisians gained them without major violence, but in Syria it's an endless struggle. The big question is, when is China's turn and how will it happen?
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@user-g5xnx7gjqb Congrats, you've got quite an imagination on you. But history is not a children's story book that you can write in with your little crayon.
The price of oil and gas is governed by supply and demand. You'd think Russian and oil and gas would've been cheapest to Russia, allowing it to develop into an industrial powerhouse like Germany, but no, Russia remained a commodity peddler -- a gas station masquerading as a country, as they say.
Greece grossly mismanaged its public finances and ended up in a debt spiral. It dig a hole for itself, and lo and behold, it fell in. No one held a gun to Greece's head to make it stay in the EU.
The EU is rooted in Franco-German economic co-operation, but a devastated post-war Germany was in no position to call the shots. Germany just quietly rolled up its sleeves and got to work. Sadly for France and Britain, economic and political clout go hand in hand in the EU.
The EU's Cohesion Fund has lavished the Eastern European members with money, allowing them to recover from the economic mismanagement during Soviet subjugation. Poland, for instance, sailed unscathed through the recessions of the late noughties. If anything, that was a wise investment on the EU's part.
Despite their even murkier Soviet past, the Baltic states are doing fine. I make regular business trips to Tallinn. Every time I visit, Estonia has made a stride forward. Visiting Russians are filled with envy. I hear separatists in Kaliningrad aspire to form a fourth Baltic state, apart from Mother Russia. No doubt, they'll apply for EU membership when they're good and ready. Probably NATO, too, to discourage unwelcome attentions from Muscovy, the State-Formerly-Known-as-Russia.
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To use an analogy, the Russian army would be like the Wehrmacht, which definitely had civilians' blood on its hands, whereas the Wagner Group would be the Waffen-SS, or more specifically, the latter's Dirlewanger Brigade. Bathing in civilians' blood, in other words. The eponymous Oskar Dirlewanger was a convicted criminal, too, just like Wagner's owner Prigozhin. Wagner's founder, Dmitry Utkin, sports SS tattoos and like to play dress-up in SS uniforms, too.
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@Dan-Martin Russia ranks (read: ranked) *6th. PPP is based on a basket of goods for domestic and personal use, so it does not a superpower make.
A better yardstick would be the iPhone Index, the number of days the average Joe needs to work to earn enough money to buy himself an iPhone. The index has gotten harder to apply to Russia, because Apple has pulled out of Russia on account of Russia's war of aggression. Still, I hear that till recently, a model that cost $999 in the US sold for $1,200 in Moscow. So with Russia's pitifully low wages, Russia is off the charts (and not in a good way).
And no, Russia can't produce its own equivalent to the iPhone, because it can't even produce smartphone-grade processors. Importing components from or via China won't fly because of the sanctions.
To put it bluntly, Russia is not only a giant on clay feet, but also, Russia is simply screwed.
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@SnakePliskin762 On our own turf? After the Winter War, which was purely a defensive war for Finland, Stalin claimed that the Finnish army couldn't conduct large-scale offensives. He must've opined differently when the Continuation War broke out and we promptly got our own back. It took frantic US diplomacy to stop our offensive, because we were threatening lend-lease deliveries over the Kirov railway. Again, conscript/reservist army at work.
Incidentally, I also served as a conscript in the Royal Netherlands Army, in mechanised infantry. A few years prior, one of our tank batallions had participated in the biennial Canadian Army Trophy. Our conscript tank crew won, beating all the NATO regulars, including those from the US. Rumour had it that your guys trained exclusively to win the next competition -- which they did, too -- but we regained the trophy two years later.
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@ssir5927 Your carefully crafted analogy is severely flawed. Russia annexes territory by force of arms. Trump plays fanboy to Israel, which did the annexing. So, while Russia is out for Lebensraum for itself, the USA is a mere Mitläufer -- a sympathizer -- in Israel's case.
Sure, Trump is now voicing similar ambitions, but knowing Trump and his bluster, it's still a far cry from actually annexing territory, as Russia has done. The truth of the matter is that with rise of China and China, Russia, Iran and North Korea banding together, the USA needs its allies more than ever -- it can ill-afford to alienate its NATO partners over a frozen piece of wasteland.
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@jackspecht3418 Sorry, I'm not interested in your op-ed on US foreign policy. I took issue with your claim that Russia and its troubled allies are highly regarded. Russia has an image problem that's unrelated to any East-West divide -- which is an obsolete concept anyway. If there's a divide, it's Russia-and-its-few-remaining-allies vs. the rest of the world. And the rest isn't all that united, except in its opposition to Russia and its equally isolated allies.
But back to Russia's image problem. According to the most authoritative pollsters, Pew Research, there's not a single continent where Russia is regarded more favourably than unfavourably, the global approval rate being a sorry 34%. Just for reference purposes, the corresponding figure for USA is 50%. An interesting side note is that while Putin isn't exactly popular worldwide (30%), Trump does even worse (27%). Incidentally, us Europeans are Trump's keenest critics, even more so than Russians. So much for Western unity.
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@Psalm118.26 Your "decadent West" has very rigorous anti-monopoly legislation in place and it's put to use regularly. Maybe you just can't see it with the Great Firewall blocking your view? It would explain the (scripted?) banalities that Chinese commenters always come up with.
The odd thing about this Ant Group episode is that their impending IPO was cancelled only days before, and only after Jack Ma openly criticised China's financial system. Not only did the Ant Group lose $76 billion in value, but also, Ma ended up in secret detention for three months. The Ant Group could've become a truly global fintech giant -- now that's doubtful, to say the least.
Huawei is best served by being allowed to operate like a true multinational, in line with Jack Ma's abortive ideas for the Ant Group. As it is now, Huawei's murky ownership, suspicions of military ties, dodgy customer credit arrangements, political commissars on the board and the legal requirement to spy on behalf of the state make it a dubious partner for its biggest customers, the telecoms operators. It's like the CCP is intentionally divvying up Huawei's market share among its non-Chinese competitors, some of whom are even publicly expressing pity for Huawei.
Xi's authoritarian tendencies are killing the geese that lay the golden eggs. You can cry foul that it's not China's fault, but the CCP sure has a way with making
Chinese corporations unattractive as strategic suppliers and worthwhile investment opportunities in the eyes of the world.
Don't bother replying with more whataboutisms. If you want to show that you're not a troll, you'll discuss these matters and not conjure up ten others to divert attention from the topic at hand.
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Jason Crosby No, what you think is a moose is actually an elk. You got confused because the first English settlers, who'd never seen an elk (on the British Isles, elks had been hunted to extinction in the Bronze Age), mistook wapitis for elks. Then you had to find another name for the real thing: moose. However, the clue is in the Latin name, Alces alces. If moose were correct, it would be Moses moses or some such.
BTW, we are a republic, but yes, like the Brits, we have our own variety of black pudding. We enjoy blood pancakes, too. I've even made some from elk blood (moose blood for the ill-informed).
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@uchennaabosi7651 Funny that. The UN has one of its longest-running peacekeeping missions in the region, UNIFIL, which has lasted for 45 years. 47 countries contribute 10,000 or so UN peacekeepers. Which some optimism, UNIFIL can be called a meagre success as in preventing worse. At best, it can keep Israel out of Lebanon, but it can't prevent cross-border aggression. Admittedly, while UNIFIL is in Lebanon, the other adversary beside Israel, Hezbollah, is very similar to Hamas both in tactics, affiliation, and hatred for Israel. In your idealistic 'New Palestine', UN peacekeepers would face an impossible task keeping the peace. Two states, not one state.
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@UFOZone51 As it happens, I've lived in Spain and toured it extensively. And it's *Basque country.
You were insinuating that there are nuclear weapons stationed in NATO countries that neighbour Russia. Since your grasp of geography is so tenuous, let's list them: Norway, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland. None of these countries have nuclear weapons on their soil. Norway, a founding member of NATO, goes even as far as outlawing them altogether.
You're trying to change the subject, but no, there's no treaty about NATO agreeing not to expand any which way. Strangely, it's a fabrication that you Putin trolls try to peddle at every convenience. One wonders why, because you never manage to prove your case and you only end up embarrassing yourselves.
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@the_white_rabbit Firstly, where did I call you a Yank? However, you wouldn't be the first impressionable youngster who's more familiar with US elections than his own.
Secondly, how's Hungary relevant here? This is about Weber and European elections in Germany. Judging from your knee-jerk reaction, you have no clue about how these things work in Germany.
Thirdly, you think Fidesz' majority is somehow flattering for Hungary? On the contrary, it's a sure sign of an undeveloped democracy, regardless of what Fidesz stands for, which, incidentally, isn't very flattering either.
Fourthly, Hungary ranks as a "flawed democracy" in the Democracy Index and scores poorly in the Free Press Index. I happen to have three European nationalities and by virtue of these I'm thrice better off than you on both accounts.
You really have no clue.
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@nyali2 OK, you're the lazy type, or the EIU's conclusions are just too painful for you to confront. Here are some choice excerpts:
"The Democracy Index compiled by the EIU is based on five categories: the electoral process and pluralism; civil liberties; the functioning of government; political participation; and political culture.”
"Based on the overall score, the democracy index of Hungary has been continuously deteriorating since 2011, the last time when Hungary achieved a score above 7. In 2016, Hungaryʼs score reached 6.72, and last year it shrank further to 6.64, placing it in 56th position together with Lesotho, below Colombia (53rd), and just above Croatia (58th)."
"However, two Visegrád countries, Hungary and Poland, score only 6 for media freedom, ranking them in joint 71st place, having experienced a significant deterioration in their media scores over the past year and more."
"The EIU finds a similar pattern of heavy-handed state interference in the media evident in Hungary in recent years, where the government, led by the Fidesz party of Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, has been consolidating its control over the media since taking power in 2010. It has overseen the sale of several media outlets to new owners who appear to have close government ties, notes the report. In addition, the closure and subsequent sale of Népszabadság, one of Hungary’s oldest and most respected newspapers, revealed the government’s intolerance of a critical press [...]"
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@24 Arbfan Your conspiracy theories aside, it's not austerity, it's taxation they protesters are unhappy with. The two terms are practically antitheses.
It's interesting to note that the same forces that brought Salvini to power buoyed up Macron. While Macron isn't a populist and Salvini clearly is, the electorates in both France and Italy were willing to stake their hopes on unknown political entities, and now both are paying the price. Even if Salvini and Macron were the most capable of leaders, they simply lack the political foundations to form successful governments. Creating a political movement from scratch is one thing, but making it capable of governing is quite another. But you may be right about elitism, but I would rather call it clientilism or even cronyism. Sadly, both Italy and France are prone to it -- and always have been, I'm afraid. I don't however, see any connection with globalism.
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@24 Arbfan You have a naive view of politics. Public discontent towards established parties brought both Salvini and Macron to power. It wasn't ideology that got them elected, but a vague promise of change. Both the Italians and the French took a chance -- clutched at straws, if you will.
Still, more so than elsewhere, European voters are fickle, often switching party allegiances from one election to another. As a rule of thumb, parties in government see their support erode, while the opposition makes gains. So for a part of the electorate, it always ends up in tears. Why? Because the world constantly throws challenges at us, and local governments have only limited means to tackle them. You blame globalism, but the only answer is international co-operation. Since we can agree on very little globally, let's at least co-operate regionally.
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@24 Arbfan Aw, you were hurt by my political naivety ad hominem, but you have no qualms about throwing it back at me. Fortunately, I'm not thin-skinned.
Sure, Salvini promised to curb down on migration, which isn't wrong per se, but the effect on solving Italy's real problems -- its looming debt crisis and chronic economic woes -- is negligible. Smoke and mirrors, in other words, but as a populist and opportunist, he has to seize the opportunity and blame migrants in order to shore up support. It's part and parcel of populism to blame someone else for your self-made problems. He's blaming the EU, too, but the EU isn't defenceless.
I already indicated that Macron isn't a populist, but he did manage to gain the trust of those who in other circumstances would have fallen prey to the populists, or he wouldn't have completely taken the wind out of Marine Le Pen's sails. You crediting MSM with Macron's victory is just another conspiracy theory. Also, unlike that other well-known populist, Trump, European leaders wisely refrain from choosing sides in one another's elections.
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@24 Arbfan Your conspiracy theories are fact now? That's rich. Conspiracy theories cherry-pick facts, but those facts that conflict with the theory are silently ignored.
Anti-establishment isn't just populism. The former seeks to change the status quo, but the means don't necessarily involve the cheap trickery of the latter. I don't personally care for it, but at least the communists (or what's left of them) adhere to a strict ideology. Your lot, on the other hand, makes stuff up as you go along. Did I already say you're a bunch of opportunists?
Earlier, you were praising Salvini for curbing migration, as if that was somehow relevant to this discussion. Now you admit migration isn't -- economically speaking -- a problem after all. I wonder, does that put you in hot water with fellow right-wing populists, who insist migrants are the root of all evil?
And no one was sneaking in premises that Italy is responsible for the migrant crisis. They are, however, responsible for their looming debt crisis and chronic economic woes -- those were my exact words. I know, like an automaton, you're going to blame globalism again, but why do other EU countries, who're in the same boat, prosper?
If not with Germany, the Italians have to compete with other countries on the global marketplace, China for instance. Italy can try to isolate itself from the world economy, but what good will that do on the long term? They're going to fall behind even more. Now they're still in a position to fix things, but they won't succeed if they're going to copy you and blame imaginary bogeymen.
For the record, Merkel didn't start the migrant crisis and she didn't end it either, but she did bring relief to the overwhelmed border countries. There's no factual basis for claiming that it brought in extra migrants -- the figures clearly show the number of new arrivals tapering off. Countries like Hungary, and more particularly their silly populist-in-charge, Orban, should thank her for it.
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@ScoobyDoo-zp1sq Are you still doggedly claiming that Fosun's commercial relationship with BioNTech was not inspired by the latter's COVID-19 vaccine? It's funny, because everything suggests otherwise, including BioNTech's own press release on the matter.
If I put a question mark after "political extortion", it suggests it's an allegation, as in trying to find a reason why Fosun acted the way they did. I'm trying to establish motive, in case you want to slap a legal term on it.
OK, imagine yourself a legal counsel defending Fosun. How would you explain Fosun wanting exclusive rights that cover Taiwan as well? They know their markets, and they know Taiwan isn't one.
Like any large PRC-based company, Fosun have a CCP commissar on their board. He must've been well pleased when presented with the opportunity to stir up trouble for Taiwan. Xi, too, must've been beaming.
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@inso80 I have a law degree. Even so, I don't interpret the law outside of my area of expertise. You, however, have no such inhibitions as a rank amateur.
Since you struggle to stay on topic -- whether or not a ship in international waters can be seized on suspicion of damaging subsea infrastructure -- the answer, according to current legal interpretation of UNCLOS, in unclear at best since there's no precedent.
In summary, Eagle S would've been entirely within its rights to continue its journey through international waters unimpeded. In fact, Finland, had it failed to comply with that legal tenet, could've been accused of piracy itself.
Before you start whining "NO FAIR!", this is how the cookie crumbles in a legal sense. We can only hope that UNCLOS is amended so that inspections can take place on the high seas without the authorities risking piracy.
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@emunah-trust Hamas is in no position to repulse the IDF, and the fact is not lost on Hamas's leadership. In order to survive, their fighters will slink away and hide among the Gazans and once again, switch to insurgency tactics against the Israeli occupiers (the IDF will no doubt stay and linger for a bit). Hamas will suffer disproportionately, but they've calculated in that, too. Some are already calling it the Third Intifada. If you insist on calling it a war, like Netanyahu, be me guest.
By the way, I'm pretty sure Netanyahu's retirement from politics beckons when the smoke clears. Then maybe, just maybe, cooler heads will prevail in Israel. Clearly, a novel approach is needed, or umpteen Intifadas will follow, each time with a higher death toll on both sides.
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@jesusaguilar4585 Yeah, why not. There's separatism in Europe that will undoubtedly lead to some countries splitting in two (or three, or four). Czechoslovakia did it, and so did Yugoslavia. Besides Spain, the UK is a strong candidate, and of course there's Belgium, too.
Redrawing Europe's national boundaries won't lead to great drama, by the way. Europe -- geographically speaking, and with the notable exception of western Russia -- has little colonial baggage. Somewhat ironically, the EU is an enabler here. Thanks to the EU, regions no longer need to band together to ward off hostile neighbours, or to compete economically with them.
I'm all for Palestine achieving full statehood, too, in case you're curious. It would be great if the Palestinians could put all the money we give them towards nation building rather than mere subsistence.
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@Sun-Tzu- If there's a hull breach, it's much more likely to result from a kinetic penetrator than a HEAT round or a squash head, which is what you're describing.
I've actually fired an M72 LAW at a T-26. We had packed the target with styrofoam panels for damage assessment, and yes, it was extreme. However, the LAW would've only pockmarked a Leo-2. Of course, there are far more powerful AT weapons, but the point is to deny the enemy the opportunity to launch.
What you're saying is that since tanks can't provide 100% survivability, we shouldn't bother with them. Ukraine has captured hundreds of battle-damaged but repairable Russian tanks, some with little damage like a thrown track and others with crew casualties, so battle damage occurs in all gradations. The Ukrainians are already confirming that their Western armoured vehicles are more survivable. It's no surprise, because they're designed with an emphasis on survivability.
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@csat1078 Actually, the EP has a centre-right majority. It's just that Orban's Fidesz qualifies as far-right populist, which means everything else is leftist to you.
I'm stating facts, and those facts somehow butthurt you. Hungary is undeniably still missing out on 21€ billion in EU funding because it refuses to play by the rules. If you think the rules unfair, leave the game. The Copenhagen criteria predate Hungary's accession to the EU, so there's the door.
Incidents of corruption in the EU, especially when they concerns individuals as greedy and naive as Eva Kalil, can never be fully prevented as long as there are human MEPs. Hungary's endemic corruption, on the other hand, is top to bottom and goes wholly unpunished. Why, because the EU has no jurisdiction domestically in its members states, and rule of law has effectively been abolished in Hungary, for which the EU sanctions Hungary... we're going around incircles.
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Ukraine was a Russian puppet under Yanukovych. I bet you had no problem with that. How about Ukraine liaising with whoever it sees fit? The trouble is, Russia -- like a intensely jealous husband -- can't stomach Ukraine being on friendly terms with anyone but Russia.
When preparing to sign the association agreement with Ukraine, the EU fully expected Ukraine to stay on close terms with Russia, but then Putin had a jealous fit, ordered Yanukovych to nix the EU deal, and the rest is, as we say, history. And so was Yanukovych, as the Ukrainians rose up and sent him packing to Russia, where Putin's boy now lives as a naturalised Russian citizen.
Canada is a big trading partner of the US, yet Canada also has a far-reaching free trade agreement with the EU. Should the US annex Newfoundland or something?
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@ronom8856 I suppose you want f**k the UN, too? Crimea officially chose to remain with Ukraine after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and this with Russia's blessing. That said, the Crimeans could've pursued their claims for incorporation into Russia though the UN, only they didn't. Instead, a foreign entity -- Russia -- forced the issue, violating all previous agreements pertaining to Russia and Ukraine respecting one another's territorial integrity, in addition to the UN Charter, which explicitly forbids redrawing borders without mutual consent. Not surprisingly, the UN General Assembly deemed the staged Crimean referendum illegal. So Crimea remains Ukrainian.
Your conspiracy theory about the US annexing Ukraine is just that, a conspiracy theory, and a very wild one at that. I see you gave up on trying to argue that Yanukovych wasn't a Kremlin puppet, which he very clearly was.
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@ruin1619 What exactly are you trying to prove here? All European peoples have common ancestry in some form or another, or share cultural traits, like language. English is by far the dominant language spoken by the Irish and the Scots, but I dare you, try to convince an Irishman or a Scotsman that they're English. If you're insistent, you'll find yourself beaten black and blue. Likewise, go to the Netherlands or Northern Belgium, and claim that the locals are Germans. They're certainly Germanic, speak a West Germanic language, and will readily admit to both, but they're none too pleased if you call them Germans. Again, if you're insistent, you'll do yourself an injury.
No-one likes to be lorded over by an entity that they consider foreign. The Ukrainians have established the latter beyond any reasonable doubt by forcefully resisting all attempts by Russia to subdue them.
So, you are the ignorant one here. And if you're unsure about your own national identity, don't project your insecurities on the Ukrainians, or anyone else for that matter.
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@johnnyhall9154 Uh, 2% is the deal, a deal that the US agreed to, and even pushed for in NATO. The US is, after all, an initiator and co-founder of NATO. We're late to the party, and held off (full) NATO membership for years saying that we preferred to join a more European NATO, as a nudge to the rest of Europe that it should get its shite together. Now it seem that we're getting our way, meaning that the rest of Europe will bolster its forces in any event, regardless of whether or not the US gets out of Dodge and leaves NATO. We have a saying that you should do something gladly or not at all. It's your choice.
I'm fully aware where the EU and the USA stand in terms of GDP. For what would you like to be compensated? We spent 18 years in Afghanistan, fighting your losing war. We received no compensation for it, only a flood of Afghan refugees. Add to that your military adventure in Iraq, which brought us even more refugees. I'd like to write you an invoice for that as well. Syria, there's a case to be made for that as well.
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@tahaz5048 You seem completely at odds with reality. For starters, America and Europe have a totally different stance on the Iran nuclear deal, in case you haven't noticed. One side is trying to scupper it and the other is vigorously trying to save it.
Also, I can say with absolute certainty that I bear no responsibility for any harm coming to Iran, like ever, and this I say as a voter in a full democracy, where we're collectively responsible for our foreign policy. Some European countries aren't squeaky clean in this respect, but that's on them.
The Islamic world is coming apart at the seams faster than it is uniting. If you're not directly involved, like in Syria, you're fighting proxy wars, like in Yemen. If you all really lived by the Quran, this wouldn't be the case.
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@jonathanhammerton9418 You're spreading obvious lies. Firstly, the UK is not and has never been the biggest contributor to the EU budget. The UK is at fourth place, after Germany, France and Italy. On a per capita basis, you're dropping to an unglamorous ninth place.
Secondly, it's expected that a no-deal, WTO-rules Brexit will shave 5% off the UK's GDP, while the figure for the EU-27 is 0.6%. It's as if you're laughing at our paper cuts while you've gushing blood from slit wrists.
Thirdly, for us life-long net contributors, the inevitable cut to the EU budget is irrelevant, especially since contributions are maintained at their present levels. Since the UK now meekly agrees to pay the £32.8 billion Brexit divorce bill, no short-term increases are expected either. The EU net beneficiaries won't be able to draw as much from the Cohesion Fund, which pays for their infrastructure projects, but such is life.
Fourthly, I can't think of a better antidote to further EU exits than Brexit. Its effect will be long-lasting, too, since mess you've created for yourselves is bound to continue for decades.
Please try to substantiate your claims. I have no use for your hyperbole.
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@QwertAsdfg-ih1ow Really now. You should read the UN Charter carefully. It does not forbid diplomacy. Territorial expansion by use of force is, however, a definite no-no. Russia ought to be kicked out of the UNSC for that.
Again, no NATO referendums in Sweden and Finland, because they would've proven exercises in futility. Overwhelming popular support, just like overwhelming support in parliament by duly elected representatives of the people, left nothing to the imagination in either country. In Finland, after the deed was done, several candidates ran for parliament on a "pacifist" anti-NATO platform, but without fail, they went unelected.
You're grossly generalising. The USA may have recognised the Golan Heights as Israeli territory, but it certainly doesn't apply to your indistinct "the West" or even NATO as a whole. Norway, a founding member of NATO, just recognised Palestine, much to the chagrin of Israel and the USA. NATO is a defensive military alliance, not a instrument for "Western" foreign policy.
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@craigbowler5248 I gave you examples on ongoing trade wars, since you seem unfamiliar with the term. I think your imagination got the better of you there.
Furthermore, I wasn't comparing the UK to the US. However, you are comparing the UK to the EU, which is a similar folly. In the (unlikely) event of a trade war, the EU would trickle blood from a cut finger, but the UK would gush all over the place. No, instead of a trade war, I expect we'll see BoJo throw the British fishermen under the Brexit Bus.
The IMF's growth projections are just that, projections, and they stand out from others. Also, the IMF explicitly added a proviso about an orderly exit. The possibility of that has now grown even smaller.
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Now you're stooping to a tu quoque logical fallacy. To humour you for a bit, it was the CIA who got it all wrong about the Iraqi WMDs. Baby Bush and Bambi Blair bought the story and foolishly went to war. In contrast, NATO partners Germany and France infuriated the Yank neocons by refusing to join this not-so-grand coalition. In other words, there was anything but unanimity about Iraqi WMDs in the "West". Since you're Australian (or at least profess to be), maybe you could offer us some insight as to why Australia fell for it.
So you prefer intriguing conspiracy theories to the obvious. The Russians are always counting on plausible deniability getting them off the hook, but with their pattern of behaviour of late, plausibility has started to work against them. As just stated by USA, UK, Germany and France, there's no plausible alternative that absolves Russia. For their own sake, Russia should explain their involvement, but as we now know, they didn't seize the opportunity. Sure, they'll try to sow doubt with vague technicalities (and you'll parrot all of them here), but all the same Russia won't escape global condemnation, becoming even more the pariah state than that it is already.
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@kevt3318 You have a lousy memory with regard to your own insults. I only respond in kind; I never instigate.
I wrote that because of the GFA, the only realistic place for the border was in the Irish Sea. If you don't know it, "was" is the past tense of "to be", meaning that the deed is done; the sea border is in place already. Reading comprehension and spelling clearly are your weak points.
Northern Ireland is geographically part of Ireland, as is the Republic of Ireland. But not to worry, Irish reunification will put an end to your confusion soon enough. It's one of the unexpected bonuses of Brexit.
It's fortunate that the EU wasn't involved in brokering the GFA, because otherwise you'd hold us responsible for yet another one of your messes. The Americans, who were involved, have been congratulating themselves for doing the most successful Brexit in history, in 1776, but I think they spoke too soon.
What is relevant is that the GFA is incompatible with Brexit, assuming the latter involved the UK leaving the customs union. So, you've thrown your Northern Irish loyalists under the Brexit bus. What else is new?
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@boathemian7694 Tut-tut, your take on US military history is spotty.
Recently, ISIS was defeated in Iraq, Libya and Syria. In Africa, the Lord's Resistance Army was neutralised. The anti-piracy operations off the Somalian coast can be considered a success. Going back further, the Kosovo War forced the Serbs to retreat, stopping the genocide there. The Gulf War was, of course, a smashing success. The Panama Invasion had a positive outcome, with its drug lord leader ending up behind bars. The Tanker War ended in a satisfactory manner, with Iran ceasing and desisting its attacks. Grenada got liberated and was spared the sad fate of Cuba and Venezuela.
Pro Tip: if you actually study history, you can make informed comments on YouTube.
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@bl00dhoney You're oh-so wrong. Besides France, the UK, Germany, Luxembourg, Spain, Portugal, Malta, Greece and Ukraine have birthright citizenship, be it with some restrictions. Birthright citizenship stems from ancient Roman Law, not colonialism.
With the internet about, information is literally at your fingertips. I suggest you make use of it before you comment.
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@weFromRussia Always the victim, never the aggressor. That, too, is a common refrain with you. Just about everyone else thinks differently, and your neighbours in particular.
Actually, in the 90s, I ran a charity co-founded by my grandmother that provided material aid to destitute Russians. When the worst was over, we changed it into a foundation that grants scholarships to gifted students in Russia. Soon after, we had no choice but to switch to scholarships for studies abroad. The net result is that practically all the recipients, once they graduate, refuse to settle back in Russia. I wouldn't care too much, but my late grandmother and her sisters specifically wanted to see their birthplace flourish.
Russia, under Putin, is beyond helping. My professor, another grandson of a Russian émigré, used to say that where Western countries have elections, Russia has revolutions. But hey, we'll get to put our charity to its original use again.
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@ruthlesstruth8639 It would seem you can't tell shells and kinetic penetrators apart. A shell -- which is hollow, as the name implies -- carries a payload, typically a high-explosive charge, which is toxic.
Here, the DU is inside a thin dart, which contains no payload. The dart relies on kinetic energy and the density of its DU core in piercing the target's armour. Once through, the incendiary nature of DU comes into play, which means it will self-ignite and become a plume of burning dust.
There will be mildly radioactive residue, but you won't hear the crew complain about. Either they were incinerated, shredded by spalling, or they succumbed to the shock wave. Or all three at the same time.
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@hjjiang7766 You, too, are falling for hasty generalisations. We have no colonial past, as in exploiting territories or peoples others than our own.
I don't know if your social credit score takes a hit if you access Wikipedia, but the article there on colonialism makes for interesting reading, especially the part about Chinese colonialism. Like some European powers, China engaged in colonialism, but what's worse, unlike these former European colonialist powers, you're still at it, now in the form of neo-colonialism.
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@yug5156 I have no idea which survey you're referring to and, it seems, you can't put your finger on it either.
Anyhoo, by "vote" I inferred election, be it in this case Saddam's show election of 2002, in which he supposedly got 100% of the vote.
FYI, an approval rate poll and a free and fair election aren't quite the same. If the election precedes the poll and the election is closely contested, voters aren't likely to express approval for the candidate they didn't vote for. That's true for Biden, who clearly hasn't had a good run either. Needless to say, Xi wasn't chosen in a free and fair election. As far as the Chinese are concerned, it's no different than if you were to travel to Staphorst and asked the villagers if they supported god.
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kashmir pandit We're in the EU, but I can't think of a single case where we could conceivably be accused of imperialism.
Russia, however, is a clear-cut case. There's no unclarity whatsoever about Putin's imperialist ambitions since Russia illegally annexed Crimea and more recently, the four oblasts in Ukraine. Putin even compares himself to Peter the Great, who forcefully expanded Russia westward. Then there was Catherine the Great, who oversaw the vast expansion of Russia both westward and eastward.
Worst of all, Russia retains most of its colonies, while the few Western powers that engaged in colonialism have long since decolonised, save for the few microcolonies that they can't rid themselves of.
Russia accusing "the West" of colonization, that's your "hypocrisy unlimited".
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@РафаэльСаркисянц-ъ2т We're fine, you're not. In Russia, inflation is rampant, interest rates are sky-high, the ruble has nose-dived and even your favoured Chinese suppliers are getting risk-averse and stopping deliveries.
BRICS? BRICS is a great opportunity for its members to help themselves to Russian resources on the cheap. They have access to world markets, while Russia does not, so they effectively set the prices. Russia plays the role of bargain basement in BRICS.
"My" USA? Whatever made you think I'm an American? You can choose from 141 countries that oppose Russia, yet you arrived at the USA? I'm insulted.
I have a master's in history (among others), and I distinctly remember being taught that the Soviet Union had to sound the retreat in the Cuban Missile Crisis. It spelled the end of Khrushchev's career, too. Great Soviet-style historical revisionism, but I wouldn't expect anything else from a Putin fan.
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@РафаэльСаркисянц-ъ2т Ooh, you'd rather not discuss rampant inflation, crippling interest rates and the myriad of other problems that bedevil the Russian economy, because it's a sore point! Understood, bury your head back in the sand.
I don't think you've understood the law of supply and demand. With the exception of Russia, the whole world is our supply. For you, the supply is far, far smaller, because you're being sanctioned left, right and centre, or prospective trading partners give you the cold shoulder for practical reasons. When this limited supply falls short of your demand, suppliers instinctively jack up their prices. Nonetheless, you need their currency, so you have to drop your prices to them, often even below cost. Especially China and India are adept at this.
As long as Putin has been in power, he has promised to diversify the Russian economy, but progress has been slow or non-existent. The Russian Federation truly deserves the epitaph 'gas station that masqueraded as a country'.
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@F0RG1V3N "Punks," there you go again. You, sir, suck balls at debate.
It just so happens India and China's northern neighbour, Mongolia, have democracy. Both rank lower than China in the human development index, suggesting they're behind China on education, too. Yet neither is a failed state -- in fact, India enjoys a faster growth rate than China, and this despite being "hobbled" by democracy.
More excuses, please.
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@andreaaltan3982 Spread lies? You're rewriting history, Soviet-style.
ISAF had the full support of the UN Security Council, including that of Russia. Check out the UNSC resolutions 1386, 1386, 1413, 1444, 1510, 1563, 1623, 1659, 1707, 1776 and 1917. All but one were passed unanimously. Once, Russia abstained citing maritime concerns. That was interesting, since Afghanistan is completely landlocked.
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@PropagandaBurnerV Duh. Putin's indictment is common knowledge. Since you're apparently unable to do simple online searches, I'll quote the ICC arrest warrant for you:
"Mr Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, born on 7 October 1952, President of the Russian Federation, is allegedly responsible for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation (under articles 8(2)(a)(vii) and 8(2)(b)(viii) of the Rome Statute). The crimes were allegedly committed in Ukrainian occupied territory at least from 24 February 2022. There are reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Putin bears individual criminal responsibility for the aforementioned crimes, (i) for having committed the acts directly, jointly with others and/or through others (article 25(3)(a) of the Rome Statute), and (ii) for his failure to exercise control properly over civilian and military subordinates who committed the acts, or allowed for their commission, and who were under his effective authority and control, pursuant to superior responsibility (article 28(b) of the Rome Statute)."
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@daakuredpanda5782 You should read what I wrote earlier in this thread. The Freedom in the World index puts practially all European countries ahead of India, and the criteria for awarding points include religious freedom.
Moreover, Europe is a continent. Religious freedom varies from country to country, even considerably so. It would be apples and oranges if we were to compare the whole of Europe to India. Let's stick with continents and compare Europe to the Indian subcontinent. I'm afraid Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal and Bhutan drag your score down further.
As to diversity, I suspect you're not that well travelled, but it's plenty clear to me -- having travelled extensively in both Europe and India -- that there's more interracial interaction in Europe than in India. My former school is now a mosque, but it hasn't kept us from organising reunions there. My Turkish and North African schoolmates -- Muslims -- think it funny, and the rest of us are just happy that the building found a worthwile purpose.
Finally, I don't recall telling you what to do. I'm merely noting that whataboutism amounts to childish behaviour. Take criticism like an adult, and don't whine like a petulant child.
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@ShaneyElderberry That still doesn't make the Houthi missile hypersonic. And no anti-missile system is infallible. Israel claimed that their high-altitude anti-ballistic missile system, the Arrow, hit the Houthi missile, but the latter's still-lethal fragments hurtled down. The Iron Dome, which is the next layer of Israel's anti-missile defences, failed to neutralise the fragments.
For your info, there is no such thing as a low-speed ballistic missile. If a missile follows a ballistic trajectory, it moves at tremendous speed, sometimes even hypersonic speed. Still, in missile tech jargon, it's not considered hypersonic, because it's not manoeuvrable.
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OK, 'Lying Jackass', if Bulgaria made it by the skin of their teeth into the EU, it means Russia won't stand a chance in hell. First off, Russia is on the bottom rung of the democracy index, the one reserved for authoritarian regimes. Bulgaria qualifies as a democracy, be it a flawed one. Secondly, Russia treads on human rights like they're a doormat, while Bulgaria's violations seem to affect mostly refugees -- Russia doesn't spare its own people either. Thirdly, Bulgaria makes the grade with an open market economy. Russia, on the other hand, mixes elements of a Western-style market economy with those of a Soviet-style planned economy. Finally, Russia doesn't agree with the EU's intent and obligations -- or do you claim otherwise?
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@Anna87147 Oh, we owe Ukraine all right. Until the Ukraine war happened, Russia was attacking and encroaching on its neighbours with near-impunity. Russia has NATO and EU members as its neighbours, too, as in Poland, the Baltic states, Finland and Norway. Russia has made threats against some of them already. Ukraine is fighting the good fight, on the whole world's behalf.
How about us demanding that Russia quits BRICS, the CSTO, OPEC+ and the Eurasian Economic Union, simply because we're not keen on any of them?
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@jdjssd.n.jsjssjs8951 China is the manufacturing capital of the world because we let it, meaning that if our multinationals shift their manufacturing elsewhere, China will suffer a knock-out blow.
Trade balances are misleading. What China excels at is, in fact, final assembly, which is relatively low-margin. Still, the full export price of the manufactured items is calculated in China's favour, although the bulk of the value-add comes from other countries in the form of components and, above all, intellectual property. The fact is, as a manufacturer, China adds relatively little value.
As a developing country that was kept back by Communist ideology for decades, China should enjoy high growth rates. However, growth will plateau when China becomes a fully developed country. China can't keep abusing low-wage workers forever.
Don't come with your old and weary excuses about colonisation. China was -- and still is -- a coloniser itself. Tibet was invaded and remains annexed to this day.
Worldwide polls suggest that China's popularity is in serious decline, with unfavourable views clearly having overtaken favourable ones. China's powerhouse neighbours are no exception. You won't reverse that trend with self-congratulatory babble and whataboutisms on YouTube.
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@neilnelson7603 As a matter of fact, the UN Security Council backed the NATO-led intervention in Afghanistan time and again. Security council members that voted in favour of the authorizing resolutions included Algeria, Angola, Argentina, Bangladesh, Benin, Brazil, Cameroon, Chile, China, Colombia, Congo, Ghana, Guinea, Mexico, Syria, Indonesia, Jamaica, Japan, Mauritius, Pakistan, Panama, Peru, Philippines, Qatar, Russia, Singapore, Mali, Tanzania and Tunisia.
I could add all the non-European, non-NATO countries that sent troops in support, but I think you're getting the picture.
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@neilnelson7603 You're not very observant. I specifically mentioned Russia and China, which voted for the ISAF mission and several times at that. So, in your not-so-expert opinion, are China and Russia being pushed around by America and Europe, too?
You can shout yourself hoarse about the unfair make-up of the UN Security Council and the non-permanent members' lack of veto rights, but none of that mattered. The UN resolutions in question were all adopted unanimously by permanent and non-permanent members alike, with the exception of Russia abstaining once (citing maritime concerns, which is hilarious considering that Afghanistan is land-locked). This being the case, you cannot deny that there was truly global support for the NATO-led intervention in Afghanistan.
ISAF was indeed NATO-led. Similarly, there have been a number of UN-approved missions in Africa, executed by ECOWAS rather than the UN or NATO. Since the UN doesn't have a standing army, the distinction with "UN-led" peacekeeping missions is hazy. I myself did two rotations as a UN peacekeeper, but apart from the flags, the blue helmets and white APCs, it was still regular army for all intents and purposes.
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@marymary9814 I understand that you desperately want to prove that the US sucks more than China, but that's no concern of mine. Perhaps you can find yourself an American to decide the matter?
Criticism towards China's human rights record vis à vis the Uyghurs and in general is hardly a US-only affair. But to stick with the topic at hand, I was actually alluding to China's abuse of its economic power, like the already infamous Belt and Road Initiative, which entangles poor countries in debt, ripe for exploitation in true neo-colonialist style. Then there are the lavish state subsidies to China's corporate behemoths -- Huawei is a perfect example -- to ensure market dominance at the expense of their non-Chinese competitors. I disapprove of the US counter-measures, but I understand why they acted. And again, it's not just the US, but practically all developed countries are now banishing Huawei from their domestic networks. The saddest part is that in Huawei, the CCP crippled a world-class company.
Actually, I have visited Xinjiang. Exceptionally, we were accompanied by armed guards wherever we went, and I've travelled far and wide in China, everywhere else without armed escorts. Very suspicious, but at any rate, not exactly conducive to gauging the happiness of the Uyghurs.
If you decide to respond, try to steer clear of clichés like past European colonialism or the Opium Wars -- FYI, we weren't complicit in either.
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As an artilleryman in the reserves I'm partial to artillery, but I have to say you're exagerrating its significance on the modern battlefield. The war in Ukraine has seen relatively little use of air power, which has a prominent role in Western military doctrine. Russia and Ukraine are duking it out WW1 style with artillery. That won't be the new normal for future conflict.
It's interesting that you pick Finland as an example of how things should be done. Finland relies heavily on conscription and a sizeable reserve to dissuade unwelcome attention from its Eastern neighbour. Finland's apparent over-reliance on artillery is a consequence of that, since conscripts can't realistically be trained to operate modern military jets, much less keep up their proficiency as reservists. Firing cannon, on the other hand, is not rocket science. Until recently, neighbouring Sweden, with its stronger air force, was expected to plug the gap. With Finland now in NATO, it's a whole new ball game.
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Now I'm convinced that you can't see the forest for the trees. Bloomberg just reported on lower than anticipated US growth rates. Everyone can cherry-pick headlines.
It goes without saying that Germany will be hurt by Trump's import tariffs. Likewise, the US economy will be hurt by the EU's counter-tariffs. Everyone suffers in a trade war.
Brexit hurts the UK the most. After the referendum, the British economy went from one of the EU's best performers to a mediocre one. The EU's total economic output will obviously drop when (or, should I say, if) the UK actually leaves, but the economies of the rest won't be greatly affected. Dropping exports to the UK are offset by their British competitors' struggles, which aren't limited to the EU's internal market, but also affect the international marketplace. Trump already gave the Brits a foretaste of what lies in store in the Bombardier-Boeing trade dispute.
Italy's problems are political. Like the US, they've gone populist. Instead of admitting their own issues, they're scapegoating the EU. They're clamouring for EU reform, but it's Italy that's in need of reform. Knowing Italian politics, nothing will change. Maybe the current band of populists will be replaced by another, who're pro-EU, but just as wrong about the EU. The EU can't solve their issues, only the Italians can.
But let's not forget what triggered this trade war: the US trade deficit. It's a chronic problem, which suggests that generally speaking, US companies struggle to compete globally. Instead of trying to improve their competitiveness, Trump reverted to protectionism. It's a downward spiral -- now the lazy can grow lazier still.
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@babyyoda6567 ICBMs are typically launched from subs. US, Russian, UK, French and Chinese subs are nuclear-powered, meaning they have the range to go pretty much anywhere in the seven seas to launch their ICBMs.
Kaliningrad, which has Russian nukes, is wedged between Poland and Lithuania, both of which are in NATO. Ukraine isn't in NATO, and it isn't planning on getting nuclear weapons even if it were. As a case in point, Poland has been in NATO for more than twenty years, and it has no nukes.
You can hit back? By the looks of it, you're an intellectual flyweight. If you want to prove otherwise, try to explain what you meant by "global reach" and how that supposedly makes a difference.
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The elected heads of state and/or government are represented in the European Council. They set the directions and priorities of the EU, acting as a collective presidency. Then there's the European Parliament, its members directly elected as well. I would assume your problem is with the European Commission, the civil service of the EU. Its top leaders are nominated and elected by the Council and the Parliament respectively -- indirectly elected, in other words. There's no shame in that.
Furthermore, EU member countries, represented by their elected government, enjoy the power of veto. This and the above are proven constructs found in successful democracies and -- for better or worse -- the UN Security Council. The EU is, however, unique in being a supranational political and economic union -- the only one of its kind -- so there is no precedent or example to follow.
Perhaps in time, the EU will evolve into a federation -- a United States of Europe -- but for now, it's not what the Europeans want. I would also claim it's not practically possible. I believe the United States of America, which would be the example to follow, will evolve into a looser, more devolved federation. Or it may go even further and become a supranational union as well.
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@adityaajmera1963 You level one accusation after another as if I were from... the USA. Well, surprise-surprise, I'm not.
So, we're not on some acceptance committee for permanent UNSC membership, our human rights record is fine, we haven't funded any military dictatorships like ever, we were in Afghanistan to build girls' schools, in Iraq we trained the Kurds to defeat the IS, and we've never been in involved in any capacity in Bangladesh.
Not only are you one to jump to conclusions, but also, you're a boring whataboutist.
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@nklow88 35% world production of what, goods or services? Service economy, does that ring a bell? Guess which one, goods or services, the EU and the US excel in?
Moreover, China, the undisputed global manufacturing hub, excels in final assembly, which adds relatively little value to manufactured goods. Yet there's a seemingly huge trade imbalance with China, but the Chinese manufacturers buy their high-value components abroad, which means the trade surplus doesn't stay in China. You should read case studies featuring the iPhone. They make fascinating reading, but it's cringeworthy if you're Chinese. Finally, multinationals are busily derisking, shifting final assembly to other low-cost countries -- at China's expense, and much to Xi's chagrin.
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@eddastrohmayer251 Puh-lease, Edda, don't you ever watch the news? Or pick up a copy of The Economist or the Financial Times?
We're engaged in a trade war with the US as we speak, with US tariffs on European steel and aluminium and the EU countering with tariffs on US motorcycles, jeans and bourbon. Especially now, with Trump planning to impose a whole raft of additional tariffs on imports should he get elected, the EU is making contigency plans how to respond, and respond it will. Between trade blocs, tariffs or other obstacles to trade invariably spark a retaliatory response, which is why we call them trade wars. Economically, the battle lines between the EU and the US are clearly drawn.
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