Comments by "Harry Mills" (@harrymills2770) on "Bite-sized Philosophy"
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Unless a kid is dead set on a particular field, shows an aptitude for it, and works their butts off on it, I don't think they should go to college. Learn a trade, like plumbing, or dry-walling, or electrical work. You don't have to make a career of your chosen trade. But it can support you while you decide what else you'd like to pursue. Try taking a couple courses at the local community college. See if it suits you, and build up your core courses, so that when/if you decide to go all-in on college, you just have your specialty to focus on.
Then do your research on the college/university. If they're associated with Antifa and other nonsense, discard them as a choice. You're still going to encounter SJW BS anywhere you go, just about, but you can avoid the worst of it. But do it from a platform of relative economic security.
You can be a dry-waller, work in wood-frame housing construction and a lot of other things without nearly as much training as a plumber or electrician. Right now, you can be earning 6 figures a year in a year or less, just by heading out to the oil fields and working hard and learning.
One career path is to apprentice under a plumber, and then an electrician, and then a carpenter. Get certified in those 3 areas (which is no walk in the park, mind you), maybe learn how to pour a foundation, and become a general contractor! I've known guys who did that, and they spent the rest of their working careers just building houses more or less by themselves.
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Belief in any religious doctrine is kind of irrational, as is disbelief in the existence of a creator. We just don't know. Agnosticism makes sense, in the absence of any proof or disproof. Speaking pragmatically, I think belief in something bigger than yourself is very beneficial, or CAN be very beneficial. What's more, people WANT to believe in something bigger. And if you don't have a God, there's a tendency to place that "faith" in leaders and institutions, which are anything BUT omniscient and omnipotent, although leaders definitely try to create that impression under whatever label or banner, if it means the people will take what they - the 'experts' - say on faith.
What I've come up with is more of an "If God is and God is good, then how does my reason tell me how to behave?" My REASON tells me that if God is and God is good, then God wouldn't fuck up so badly as to make a huge swaths of humanity believe in DIFFERENT gods, unless there's some over-arching God Principle that encompasses EVERYONE. My God is mostly the Christian God, because that's how I was raised, but I don't buy into any one doctrine, and I don't believe in the Christian Afterlife, which seems to me is more what the most successful sects pushed in order to grow those sects as POLITICAL institutions of THIS world. Somehow, I don't think God - if there is one - thought Church hierarchies was a good idea.
So I end up being pretty eclectic, taking wisdom wherever I find it, but my God Principle is more of a Life Principle. If it's good for Life, compassionate and kind, I like it. If it's good for balance in life, I like it, which is why I incorporate a lot of Taoist (Daoist?) ideas into my thinking. Chaos and Order, in balance. Duty and Joy in balance. Hard work and relaxation in balance. But I have no "Authority of God" or "Authority of the State" worked in there. It's just a general sense of The Good, and if I serve THAT, then I'll be as close as possible (for me) to what a good god intended, and all the rest is just men trying to seek power over other men through the power of SOMEthing bigger.
Merit is how the economy should run. Compassion is what the meritorious show to their less fortunate brothers and sisters. And there is no merit in spending somebody ELSE's wealth on what you consider a good cause. That's just you trying to garner status by taking from others. All these rich liberals need to put their money where their mouth is and shut their mouths, and most of all stop seeking to use the power of the state to create YOUR idea of utopia. Just help as many as YOU can.
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If you once relent, the child will learn that "No" means "maybe," and you're lost. This is tough, because up to that first "No," the baby crying SHOULD mean that you're right there fixing whatever problem they have. Responding to crying is how your child exerts some control over their environment, and when you let the 1-month-old cry without response, you turn them into fussy, insecure cry-babies. When they start crawling around and you give 'em their first "No" and they cry about it, you have to understand that this is an inappropriate use of crying to manipulate you, which they will do, if you're weak. And you'll be the parent whose child is throwing tantrums at the grocery store.
My parents were pretty old-school. Acting-out in public was a fast path to a spanking worse than the gentle reminders at home. They were pretty tolerant of us at home. Absolutely strict out in public.
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@DEMcouver : Nice. Yeah. And when he's besieged by his conscience, after the fact, it can only come from the (irrational) belief that Ivanovna's life has its own intrinsic value. To an atheist, with "strong morality," she's immoral, and why should he respect her life at all, given her detrimental impact on the Common Good? Without something ABOVE us all, then what's stopping you from reasoning that Your Life Is Good and others' lives not so much, especially if You, in your perfect state of perfect reasoning, conclude that she's detrimental to Your Life?
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@richardmarsh4993 : The point, here, is not that atheists lack a moral compass. They just don't fully grasp their own immersion in societies that wouldn't exist without a common religion as an organizing principle. And the psychological benefits from believing in something greater than our mortal existence are undeniable. Some (most) people function better, more morally, when they believe in God and a meaning to our existence. The atheist is making a HUGE leap of faith deciding to follow a morality that aligns with, for instance, the Christian God's.
Maybe you're just the perfect atheist. But many atheists descend into hedonism and nihilism. There's no overriding reason NOT to, unless, by chance, the atheist's moral compass is (unconsciously) informed by a morality informed by ancestors' belief in something greater. As a mathematician, I understand that there's always an underlying set of assumptions in ANY conversation. In math, we make these assumptions explicit (Axiom of Choice (Zorn's Lemma)), and everything else follows. I think the axioms under which most people operate are largely unconscious, and atheists are extremely arrogant and prideful to believe that their logic isn't ultimately resting on a foundational belief in the sacred.
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@BloodSoakedGoat The trades DO exist and you sound like a guy who's too good to start working for them for $20/hour with no real skills. From the POV of someone who HIRES those guys to work on my house, they're ALL making out very well, and they hold guys like you in great scorn. There's no shortage of work for them, because people like you are too good to take such a "dead end job."
The lawn-care/landscaper I contract with can't find young people who'll start at $17/hour with full benefits! They're too good for that.
You sound like someone who expects to go to college for. 4 years and just walk into a gig for $100,000/year and are mad at the world when the world says "What can you do other than complain about the system?"
It's no walk in the park going the college route. I know guys who started out in grocery as box boys, who were 10 years from retirement by the time I was just hitting the job market, taking a $30,000/year gig as a full-time temp, with a math PhD! LOL! If I weren't physically handicapped, I wouldn't've spent so much time in school. Unlike most, I worked my way through, rather than borrowing, so my situation wasn't as bad as some.
But I see plenty of people getting their 2-year degrees in electronics/IT/welding/carpentry, who go out and start earning pretty much immediately. With everybody going to 4-year "college," without regard for job markets, there are a lot of "educated" people chasing a very small number of positions.
Lay a financial foundation with a SKILL and branch out from there. And yes, many - if not most - who lay that foundation, just end up sticking with it and climbing the ladder from that base, without troubling themselves with a massively over-priced and over-rated college degree that is de-valued every year by colleges' definition of "success" being "You passed," even though the standards of passing are much lower and the actual skills these graduates bring to the workplace are pretty slight.
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If you suppose there is no God, how is it that Genesis follows the exact sequence, from letting light be, to separation of the heavens and the Earth. Then the separation of the lands from the water. Then the creatures in the water? Then the creatures on land and in the sky? Then, finally, US. Pretty much how things happened. Broken into epochs that were translated as "days." How did these Bronze-Age shepherds get the sequence of events so right? And it's conceptualized in terms that are relatable to a Bronze-Age shepherd, who can maybe count to 19, because he lost a toe in a hunting accident.
To the extent that ancient texts survive to the present day, you have to admit those texts have some real power. There's a universality to them, somehow, that transcends time. That is something to be respected. Something one may consult for wisdom. For instance, all that kosher stuff is a pretty smart way of handling your food. Shellfish bad? Hey, maybe one time, the tribe ate the mussels that were downstream of their own sewers or (more likely) an area that had been polluted, previously, and the people who did it were gone, but the clams were making a comeback in the mud flats.
I was raised in the Church, so I was raised to believe in a God who had our best interests at heart, promised us everlasting life in return to our unswerving belief, and gave us His Own Son to die on the cross for our sins. It all hangs together pretty good, until you start asking some obvious questions. I feel that way about any religion, now, although I think Daoism (Taoism) is pretty good in some ways. I don't consider it a religion, but there's some good stuff in Wicca that's right up there. I can get behind a religion that says good comes back to you 3-fold and bad comes back to you 7-fold. You just stay on the 3-fold side, and life is pretty darn good! And really, that was what Jesus was talking about, too. God's Kingdom on Earth is when we all just stop being assholes to each other. Treating people good makes life good for everybody, and 'most everybody knows this and lives this.
Anyway, it's good to have that archetype planted so deep within me. Even if I don't buy the hook about Everlasting Life for All Believers. That's just for the Church to prosper in this world, with eternal life as the promise. And I'm not one to tell kids fairy tales, but Grandma telling you "You just got to believe and you will be saved," when you figure out for the first time that everybody dies. Grandma and Grandpa are "old," Mom 'n' Dad are pretty old, and they'll go NEXT, and THEN it'll be YOUR turn! Jesus can help kids with night terrors. Some kids can suffer severe existential angst, especially those who've been through serious trauma.
Heh. Got far afield, there. Started off to say that I think it's good to have an archetype of All Love and All Good like Jesus, who stands as your model of behavioral perfection. "What would Jesus do?" is a question I still ask myself, even though I left the Church a long time ago. I couldn't do Communion without lying, or I'd feel like a hypocrite. Then around the time Dad died, I saw how good it'd make Mom feel if I swallowed my pride and bent the knee in her sight. Besides. I was interested in how good the grape juice was gonna be. Hadn't had any grape juice in a long time, and that's how the Methodists roll. LOL!
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