Comments by "William Davis" (@williamdavis9562) on "Omar of the Orient" channel.

  1. To be fair she is the crazy one for thinking you're crazy for pointing out a simple fact lol
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  2.  @benyamin35  If the Persians aren't from the depths of Central Asia. How exactly could a Turk have been a Persian before a Turk. Please explain the ridiculousness of your statement.
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  3.  @albania881  Yes it probably is. But the Uyghurs don't live in those areas where it is crowded. They're far to the west, in a piece of territory which was stolen from them by the Chinese red army.
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  4. @Cevdetaytekin5591. I've seen Yoruk villages in Turkey in the times I've spent traveling the nation. Very welcoming people. Even to a random American stranger they are kind. But when I told them my grandfather is Kipchak and I speak the language the kindness increased. There are some beautiful Yoruk villages outside a city called Konya.
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  5.  @user-xv9rf2ll3m  A lot of what he said is from conventional history which the vast majority of historians agree on.
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  6.  @حسينالرفاعي-ز5ذ  Every individual, along with groups of individuals (races) all have their part to play in this story my friend.
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  7.  @duramajin3118  If conversions were forced, there wouldn't be such a diverse group of religions in the region. Forget forced, the Ottomans in some cases preferred people in this region not to convert. So they could collect more taxes from them. Some converted for social status, some converted for economic gains and others did so for religious reasons. Most didnt' convert at all. Historically speaking the only time the Turks dabbled in mass forced conversions was hundreds of years later in Bulgaria when the empire was starting to fall apart. So unless you have ancestors from Bulgaria in the 1800s, your family has never faced or saw forced conversions. Facts>Your feelings.
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  8.  @birdost5781  A lot of the languages spoken in that part of the world are a mixture of Turkic, Persian and Arabic. Most of their military words are Turkic, their scientific words Arabic and their social sciences and poetry being Persian. Yes there are words these three languages share but there are also words they do not share. All which are present in most of the languages on the subcontinent today. Even the names of some of the specific dialects of languages like Urdu have a Turkic origin. Urdu derives from the Turkic word ordu, which means army or barracks. This word has no connection to Persian or Arabic. Linguists and historians believe the language was named this because it was the language "spoken in the barracks" of the military camps. That is just one small example of which there are 1000s. The fact an American has to walk in and tell you guys this is kinda sad.
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  9.  @turkuazdedektor5697  Why do you find it so strange that a person might have forgotten their heritage. Look at people in Anatolia for example. They're essentially assimilated indigenous Anatolians thinking their ancestors are from central Asia lol
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  10. Watching a guy from Kashgar make statements like this, shows that the awakening has begun.
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  11.  @cevdetaytekin5591  Very interesting place Konya is. I'm hoping to visit there again this summer. There is also an amazing village about 35 minutes outside of Konya which was settled by people from the North Caucasus. It is called Bashuyuk. That was the reason I was in Konya to begin with, I went just to see that village. Most the people there still speak their native language.
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  12.  @captanjames6765  Most of the Turks in the balkans were there long before the Ottomans showed up. I think they're the descendants of the Kipchak tribes called the Cumans. After migrating to the Balkans they quickly became the elite in those societies and converted to Christianity. So when the Ottomans showed up 100s of years later to fight the Balkan kings, it was basically the Oghuz Turks vs the Kipchak Turks without either side really realizing it lol
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  13.  @drunkbee880  The name of the tribes from central Asia we call Turks today have gone by many names throughout history. In the 600sAD the Arabs used to call them the Atrak. A lose confederation of nomads living on the steppe. The Prophet Muhammed (SAW) actually mentioned them. They've been called the Atrak, the horde, the hun, the people of the steppe and 100s of other names. Today they are known as the Turk.
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  14. @nurbolkerei5562. Watching the revival of central Asian people spring up after long periods of suffering under the boot of communism is very interesting to watch unfold. With their vast natural resources and even more importantly their human capital make their presence felt around the globe will be something interesting to watch as well. The peoples of these areas starting to crack open a door into their Islamic history will also help them break free of the shackles of a soviet system which nearly came close to erasing their culture and history. This Turkic Union we keep hearing about which is developing will probably be a force to be wrecked with on the global stage in the next 50 years as well. With the bridge of Islam if the Turkic Union can also forge strong relations with the rest of the world, this will be a bloc which will shape the future. The Kazakhs will probably play a leading role in the formation of all this.
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  15.  @enesfurkan6822  There are serious cultural and genetic differences between the Oghuz and the Kipchak to a point they do have some trouble getting along. But like you said they will eventually all unite, considering their differences are nothing compared to their differences with other groups around the world. They have more that unite them than divide them. My grandfather on my mother's side was a Kipchak and I've spent enough time around him as a child to learn the language and understand the culture. When I visited Turkey in my adult life, there were many cultural aspects in Turkey I was able to comprehend very quickly that few Americans like me would be able to understand. Turkey at this point is by far the most advanced Turkic state. There is a lot of responsibility on Turkey's shoulders to help foster and bring along the ties between the Turkic people.
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  16.  @mg.f.9023  It seems you're missing the nuance here. The conquests came via the sword, the conversions in India did not.
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  17.  @almazchati4178  Anatolia in the early 1000s was literally one of the most settled and densely populated centers on the planet. What in the world are you talking about. They had well over 4 million people at this period which was HUGE in those days. The Turks walked into Anatolia with like 10k people. You claiming Anatolia didn't have much population at the time would be like me telling you the moon doesn't exist. You might want to research a tad bit about things before commenting on them.
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  18.  @benyamin35  I never claimed it was a Turkish city. Do you actually read or understand the comments you're responding to? Read my comment again and try to respond to it. Were your parents or grandparents cousins before they got married? A lot of time the genetic damage to the offspring from such relationships causes severe genetic damage to the offspring which makes them highly likely to be irrational with random outbursts which make no sense.
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  19.  @benyamin35  Also it might make sense to calm down, take a deep breath, stop having an emotional meltdown and try to be more rational. Breathe bro, breathe
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  20.  @dargonfei  I fail to see how that has anything to do with anything I said.
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  21. @yomista. If you think 200k tents reverting back to Islam is unimaginable. The buckle your seats my man. You're going to witness reversions on an even bigger scale in the next 30 years.
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  22.  @drunkbee880  Aside from your unhinged response, there is literally nothing I said which isn't a demonstrable fact. I don't think you're interested in facts or reality, there seems to be some under lying emotional axe you're trying to grind here. Also I didn't say Muhammed (Saw) called us 'Atrak." I said Muhammed (SAW) called them Atrak. The fact you're try to make this so personal shows you're emotionally unhinged. No rational person is going to listen to anything you're saying if you behave this way bro. What ever your insane emotional attachment to this topic is, I'd advise you learn how to push that agenda without coming off as a lunatic.
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  23.  @middleeastrenwarriormen1017  People just call them Kipchaks these days.
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  24. @Ericaltinkaya9713. Are your roots Ottoman Turkish? Or Mamluk? Both being Turkic btw.
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  25.  @diyorbekrustamov5168  People under estimate the cultural influence of these groups. Starting from the Carpathian mountains, through Ukraine and into the North Caucasus. Then all the way through Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan all the way to China. The language, culture and clothing of the Kipchak people stretches far and wide. My grandfather from my mother's side spoke a Kipchak related language. He had trouble understanding people in Turkey for example but had no issues having conversations with Tatars, Nogay, Uzbeks and even Uyhgurs. The bonds between these people have been broke in the past 200 years but the roots never died and are starting to grow.
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  26.  @wasatiyyah7  I'd imagine the underpinning of the Turanian concept is based on economic and social ties. You're essentially agreeing with it, while at the same time calling it a wet ideology and disagreeing with it.
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  27.  @enesfurkan6822  I've actually looked into this and the Turkic genes in Turkey aren't %1-2. It is a lot more than that. About 13%. The cultural and linguistic domination of the central Asian culture in Turkey however is A LOT more than that and dominates nearly every aspect of the country. I was born in America, so were my parents. But as a child I spent most of my time with my maternal grandfather who was a Kipchak Turk from the North Caucasus. The language and culture is fascinating and in my adult life I've been gravitating more and more toward it. I hope to one day visit most of the Turkic nations. So far I've only been to Turkey, Azerbaijan and Karachay Cerkezcya and Kabardino Balkarya. I hope to also visit Kazakhstan, Tataristan, and Uzbekistan. I speak an old Turkic kipchak language. I have zero problems communicating with Turkic people like the Tatars, Kumuk, Nogay, Uzbek and Kazakh I can understand some of what the Uyghurs are saying. But Turkish in Turkey is very difficult to understand but I'm' working on it. Ulkeniz cok guzel kardes. :O)
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  28.  @enesfurkan6822  If you're a geneticist, you also know it isn't just the Yoruk who contribute to the Turkic DNA in Turkiye. There are hundreds and thousands if not millions of "gocmen" people in villages scattered all throughout Turkiye with Turkic peoples. Karachay, Balkar, Nogay, Kumuk, Tatar, Uzbek, Kazakh. Wasn't one of the founding members of the AK party one of those guys who is the descendant of a Turkic tribe who migrated to Turkiye in the early 1900s? Abdul Latif Sener I think his name was. A lot more Turkic people in Turkiye than you'd think.
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  29. @Tomkelly8827. To be fair this video isn't from the "Turkish perspective." This video is essentially drawing on academic research widely agreed upon by everyone. It is more along the lines of a historical facts prospective than any specific ethnic prospective.
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  30. What a fantastic video Mr. Omar. I'm really becoming a fan of this channel. Islamic history is absolutely fascinating.
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  31.  @birdost5781  You're literally debating a straw man. I never once claimed that Turkic words in Urdu were on the same level of Arabic and Persian. Why not debate what was actually said instead of having an emotional meltdown and debating a ghost?
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  32.  @drunkbee880  Well then let me ask, what in your opinion is a race? And what constitutes a race?
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  33.  @drunkbee880  Again you do realize you're coming off like a raving lunatic. You understand this right? Words have meanings which come with definitions. Words don't have meanings which at set just to sooth your emotions or your world view. There are a few points you make which are actually rational but when you do them in such an unhinged way and sprinkle them in with insane talking points, even your rational points get completely and utterly lost. But yes, you're right that a nation like Turkey is not built upon a single race. You could have said this without delving into the other nonsense. But you just can't help yourself can you?
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  34. The Malaysian and Indonesian people are the sleeping giants among the Muslim people today. Tecnological Innovation, economic growth and building cohesive societies is something which these two nations are leading in. Just like the Turks took leadership of the Islamic world coming out of nowhere 1000 years ago, it seems it will be the east Asian Muslims doing the same in the future.
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  35.  @thetruthnothingbutthetruth1  It is a very diverse country. You have areas which are extremely pious and areas which are not. Go into the interior of the nation and you'll see a much different dynamic.
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  36.  @watermountainfireair8497  Yes things like this happen all the time in history. Just like how 100s of years later the Arabs attacked the Ottomans while the Ottomans were trying to defend Jerusalem from the British. Just like you can't blame all Arabs today for what few tribes did 100 years ago, blaming the all the Seljuks of today based on what one army did 100s of years ago is ridiculous. Also I'm not exactly sure of the veracity of your claim either. I've never seen anything about the Seljuks attacking Salahuddin Ayyubi.
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  37.  @almazchati4178  There is a reason the vast majority of the people in Turkey today are descendants of the indigenous Anatolians. This has been proven via DNA mapping. This isn't a theory, it is a fact. Generally your wide eyed Turkish nationalists have meltdowns over this. Fact of the matter is a small group of people showed up, took over and then successfully assimilated A HUGE GROUP of people. It is a rare thing in history, for better or worse.
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  38.  @emre_iris  There is literally zero evidence that 2 million Turkic people from central Asia moved into Anatolia after Malazgirt. Do you also know why that number sounds like made up utter BS? Around that time very few places on earth even had 2 million people. Populations in central Asia were very small. 2 million Turks is probably higher than the total number of Turks who existed back then in central Asia. If you're going to make something up with zero evidence, at least use a believable number. Central Asia was sparsely populated at the time. Sacmalama bro.
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  39.  @nostaljiturkce  The debate isn't if DNA matters or not. That is a completely different conversation. You can feel how ever you want to feel and give importance to what ever you feel is important. I am in no position to tell you how to think or feel about what is important. What you can't do however is pretend scientific facts don't exist and make false claims which are demonstrably false. We're debating ethnicity and race here which certainly revolves around DNA. If you're a horse and tell me you're a giraffe, obviously I'm' going to call you out.
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  40.  @thefaramith8876  Considering the amount of evidence out there, that is exactly what happened. Also it was more like 2 million nor were they Romans. Small pockets of different ethnic groups all around Anatolia. Nor did it happen overnight, we're talking about a 1,000 year process.
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  41.  @thefaramith8876  I have no problem with Turks having hegemony over Europe. If you look at how things are going it is probably going to happen again. I fail to see how that has anything to do with the DNA make up of the people in the Anatolian land mass. You seem quite confused as to what is being debated.
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  42.  @thefaramith8876  why would I have to cope with something which had zero effect on me? Instead of making ridiculously emotional claims how about you try to refute the facts I’ve presented? Maybe this is an emotional topic for you which is hard to deal with? Park those emotions and try to be rational for once
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  43.  @muhammetemredurmus  You can't claim something is ignorant or false without actually demonstrating how. Because it makes you look ignorant and false when you do so.
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  44. @ yes one of the oddest events in human history. Nor did it happen over night. We’re talking nearly 1000 years
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  45. @ yea and not like those fake assimilated indigenous anatolians claiming to be Turks in Turkey right?
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  46. @ the idea that the Anatolian plains were “pretty much empty” during that era is insanity. After China it was the most densely populated region on the planet.
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  47.  süleymankaraca-w5l  I’m not sure which comment you’re referring to. Who I’d separate from Anatolians? Real Turkic people from Central Asia or the Assimilated Anatolians in Turkiye who people call Turks?
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  48.  süleymankaraca-w5l  It isn't irrational that a powerful group of 10,000 people who were experts in military warfare would take over the Anatolian plains. Nor is it irrational that over a 1,000 year period the indigenous population would be assimilated into their culture. Britian was in India for a few decades and yet nearly 1 billion people there speak English. Imagine 1,000 years and how much it can change the culture of the place. Also this isn't just some theory, it is also based on modern day gene mapping. Check any random person in Turkey's DNA results. You'll rarely see any central Asian hits.
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  49.  süleymankaraca-w5l  No problem. But you also need to realize the amount of people who came over from Central Asia was very small in relation to the amount of indigenous Anatolians living in Anatolia. And as you know the Turkic tribes who took over Anatolia didn't wipe the locals out. Eventually over 1000 years most were assimilated Modern day DNA testing proves this. Most guys who love to think their ancestors were horsemen from central Asia don't know that they're assimilated indigenous Anatolians. Statistically speaking you're probably one of them.
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  50.  süleymankaraca-w5l  Still a drop in the bucket when compared to the millions of Anatolians living there.
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  51.  süleymankaraca-w5l  All those Greek speakers in Anatolia weren't Greek. They were conquered by the Greeks and assimilated into Hellenic culture. Then those same people who were assimilated by the Greeks were then taken over by Turkic tribes and then assimilated into Turkic culture. The vast majority of people simply assimilated, 1000 years is a long time. The few who didn't assimilate were those minority groups you're referring too. I get it, this is an emotional topic for you but facts are facts. Again there is a very high probability you're an indigenous Anatolian yourself. Go to the North Caucasus and Central Asia and meet some real Turkic people. They are nothing like the Anatolians. They look different and more importantly they act different. They aren't emotional train wrecks nor are they as selfish and insanely greedy and corrupt as Anatolians. Also they don't inbreed and cause genetic damage to their children like Anatolians do.
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  52.  süleymankaraca-w5l  Diluted or not diluted when they arrived. Doesn't change the fact assimilated Anatolians still comprised the vast majority of people who live in Turkey today. Also claiming the Jannisaries changed the genetic make up of the entire region is complete insanity. Their numbers were never big enough to make any sort of dent into the gene pool worth noting. Not to mention they weren't very spread out either even if their numbers were high enough to make a significant change (which it wasn't) Again I get that this is seriously emotional for you and you need to clutch at straws. But you need to make more rational arguments, what you're saying is insanity. The numbers just don't add up. Nor does the science.
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  53.  süleymankaraca-w5l  Do you have any idea how many jannisaries you'd need and how evenly spread out they'd need to be to get an effect of 15%-20% on a gene pool? Yes you'd need Jannisaries to account for nearly 20% of the population. Are you under the assumption that at any given time the amount of jannisaries were that high and that evenly spread out? That is insane. Even at the height of military prowess of the Ottoman Empire which was the mid 1500s, the Jannisaries probably accounted for about .0005% of the population. As far as a gene pool goes, it is something they call statistical insignificance. WW1 and post WW2 migration of Muslims from the Balkans into the Ottoman empire and then Turkiye did more to introduce Balkan genetics into Anatolia's gene pool than any amount of Jannisaries ever could. It is a childish argument to use that Jannisaries altered Anatolia's genetic makeup.
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  54.  @albania881  China.
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  55. @BabaAmin29. Like the Turks are the sleeping giants in Central Asia. The Nigerians are the sleeping giant in Africa. Both will wake up soon
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  56. Can you tell us a bit more about who the Hazaras are? I'm quite ignorant about the different Afghan tribes and their history.
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  57.  @TirabintaToktik-hz1lx  technology is technology.
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  58.  @Krasno-  If you're referring to the people in Turkey. You're probably right.
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  59. @Tolabay, Someone should do a video on the Giray family. Tatars have a beautiful culture. I remember having an extremely interesting run in with some Tatars at a hospital years ago.
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  60.  @regenahregenah6510  They did civilize you guys for a short time no?
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