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It is a really strange position the regime in Washington is taking on this issue. On one side talking about how aid needs to be sent to the people of Gaza. Then on the other shipping over the bombs who are blowing these people up. Who do they really think they're fooling?
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@aripr6 Because America wouldn't need to continue taking actions which destroys it's reputation worldwide. It wouldn't need to fight constant wars which cost the American economy hundreds of billions of dollars sometimes trillions. That is how. Also you say you're an Israeli. I must ask how it feels to be a citizen of the only colonial apartheid state on the planet.
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@soulessdeeds it is really sad what you guys had to go through over there. But the psychos in charge don't see that war as pointless. All their friends and financiers got rich. My generation was of fighting age at the time, a lot of my friends signed up to go fight. I remember being one of the few at the time who was completely against that invasion and everyone at the time used to claim I was not patriotic and didn't love our boys in uniform. My point was simple, I am against this war because I love you guys and I don't want you to go over there and potentially ruin your lives over some demonstrable BS the white house is spewing. My arguments never worked, I lost a lot of friends over this at the time. Some I lost for good because they simply never made it home. :O( It breaks my heart what happen to a lot of you guys over there. And to add insult to injury, how poorly the fellas with serious injuries were taken care of when you came home. People are patriotic sending you off to war but they lose all patriotism when you get home. That conflict really changed a lot of us, it really changed me. I was never really able to trust anything the media pushed after that nor did I believe anything coming out of the white house as to why we have to do XYZ overseas. I'm sure millions feel as I do now.
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@ShaneHackworth-em1qq The establishment will never allow it :O( They'll go after him just like they went after Trump, I'm not sure if Rand can survive that like Donald did.
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Their position is so ridiculous that even the arguments come off like a spoof or a circus act.
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International law says they don't.
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@allan339 To be fair if someone found a tweet of mine from years ago and showed it to me or quoted it. I'd probably remember it. Most people would, at least those not below average IQ.
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@IOANNOU28 The type of barbarism in Greece where migrants are beaten, robbed and thrown in the ocean? Is that the type of "barbarism" you're referring to?
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A politician with a ton of money stuffed in his pockets hurts everyone no? Well aside from the people who are stuffing the money in his pocket.
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Yup then if something there goes wrong, these Senator's know they're on the hook for it.
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Very brave indeed when he is more interested in lobbying dollars in his pocket than an actual foreign policy in the interests of the country. Man if only everyone could be brave enough to stuff money into their pockets from foreign interest groups.
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@lauracoussens6207 That isn't true, demonstrably so. Rand was talking about the troops we have in Syria. The Syrian government has asked us to leave 100s of times. We just refuse to. The Syrian government has not invited us onto their territory, we just invited ourselves. Which incase anyone didn't know is a breach of international law. But we do it anyway and for reasons no one is able to fully explain.
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@Angus3963. That is one thing I simply cannot stand. We sure as hell know how to cheer our boys on as we sent them off to war. But we don't seem to want to take care of them when they get home from the war. It is disgusting. I'm mostly a non interventionist unless our critical interests are at stake. I wasn't a fan of the Iraq or Afghanistan wars, not a fan of the proxy war in Ukraine or destroying Libya. But regardless of how you feel about these conflicts, everyone can admit that we have to take care of our boys when they get home, that should be non negotiable. These stories of these young men killing themselves breaks my heart. We as a society have failed them :O(
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Steve A Yea there is that too but at least they aren't beating them and robbing them first like in Greece
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So you're saying politicians shouldn't be interested in their interests of their people but chase foreign money being stuffed into their pockets? Is that what politicians are supposed to do in your opinion?
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@aripr6 So you're blaming starving people for others starving as well. Zero guilt on the part of the people who stuffed them into that concentration camp, are going out of their way to kill as many civilians as possible and threatening all the routes that aid and food can get it. Your argument is pure and utter insanity. You're literally making your side of the debate look 100x worse by making these insane claims.
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@giorgosanthopoulos6197 No one is claiming he is corrupted because he isn't poor. Not sure anyone made that claim. The claim was his pockets are being filled by foreign interest groups to say what he is saying. If he shilled this hard for Turkey, then yes I'd claim he was paid off by them too. There comes a point where it's all too obvious when someone has been paid off and is shilling hard for a cause which has nothing to do with the interests of the nation he serves.
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@IOANNOU28 You're still trolling here?
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@ΤακηςΔημητριου-ξ7σ Telling me to go to sleep isn't going to change the reality of the situation. Especially that earlier guy who had the audacity to scream barbarism when he is from a country with extreme barbaric tendencies himself. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
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 @IOANNOU28 You need to turn the news on more about how corrupt the EU parliament is. I don't present arguments, I just destroy the ridiculous ones you make. it's too easy.
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@MyJamesey123. Because we're idiots and we allowed this to happen? It is too late now, they're far too entrenched.
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@Chrishansen999 I don't think anyone is blaming the service men and women for this insane policy over the last 20 years. They were given a task and they did that task to the best of their abilities. The issue is the people making the policy which put them in harms way. This 20 year occupation did the American tax payer no favors, it did the service men no favors and it did Afghanistan no favors.
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@joewiediger2737 If enough people raise their voices this insanity will stop immediately. But that is the problem, not enough people care or even pay attention. Hell what percentage of our population even knows that we have 900 soldiers sitting in Syria for no reason other than the fact they're being used as bait or a trip wire to spark a war. I'm sorry but that turns my stomach, all 900 of those soldiers have families, the fact they're seen as expendable like this insane. But that is where we are and we can't seem to do anything about it :O(
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@Faux Que, You're not far off. Obama wanted them to put on a dress and dance for him. They said no and he punished them for it.
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@Mitch Mills, it's too late my man. Democracy in America is DEAD. People woke up far too late.
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@rayma6173 I am so sorry for your loss. 😢
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@IOANNOU28 Calling me a kid won't change the insanity you've been spouting here. Don't forget this isn't the echo chamber you're used to. If you say something insane, people here will point it out.
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Our constitutional rights have been a joke for a very long time now. We no longer live in a nation where the rule of law runs supreme. We're literally run like a third world country, except we're rich. Wonder how long that rich part will last when the rule of law has broken down.
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@SpirosMargelis So the fact disputes go back 50 years makes it implausible to be poking your neighbor in the eye? Is that your argument here?
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@SpirosMargelis 1. Using islands as weapons against your neighbor is not always a good policy. Few nations would do it. England didn't do it to France. So yes, doing that is poking your neighbor in the eye, especially when you break military treaties which is dangerous for any nation. 2. Yes I'm well aware of the history of this problem and the delusions of both sides. If this continues it's fairly obvious how this is going to end for both nations.
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@fairjust8072 My comment was sarcastic in nature. Obvious this guy is corrupt to the gilles.
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In the new America it depends on who you're slandering.
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Considering all the insanity going on over there right now. I pray your grandson stay safe. Like you I fail to see how troops in a place like Jordan serve our interests in any way, shape or form.
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@V These days the most unpopular guy in any room is the guy who tells the truth.
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@Chrishansen999 I absolutely 100% agree with that statement. It's a tactic as old as politics itself. The military's job is to fight and win wars. For a long time now we've been putting them into policing situations, situations they weren't built for. Setting them up for failure and then blaming them for it. It's a terrible situation all around, the biggest victims are the nations we occupy, the second biggest victims are our service men and women, the third victim is the American tax payer. Who wins? Well you know.
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@TylerEL Orban has been spitting facts in the face of the EU for a long long time
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@Blah Blah Blah, none of them will be held accountable. The only people injured will be those trying to expose them.
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I don't think anyone is smart enough to be able to cover up the crimes of this administration.
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@Todd W, I'm not so sure they're dumb. They seem to be smart enough working together to make us believe things which simply aren't true.
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@IOANNOU28 You simply cannot make claims which make absolutely no sense and then scream critical thinking.
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@SpirosMargelis Speaking of typical responses. Imagine poking your neighbor in the eye over and over and over again and then expecting my country with it's tax dollars to defend you? This strategy might work for a while because we have insane globalists in charge who never shy away from a good conflict and the money it can garner. That won't last forever and a time might come when your neighbor who's eye you've been poking might knock on your door and start asking questions.
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@SpirosMargelis That still has nothing to do with how dangerous it is when you break military treaties you've signed. This goes for any country. Yes a war would be catastrophic. Greece will be destroyed physically and Turkey will be destroyed economically. Both nations probably won't be able to recover for another 50 years. The globalists will be happy though.. This is why I'm calling Greece Ukraine 2.0. And this Micotakis guy is the next Zelenski.
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@SpirosMargelis Make no mistake both countries will be destroyed. If the Turks think they can come out of this without their entire economy being thrown into the dark ages they're delusional. If the Greeks think they can resist the Turks militarily they're delusional. Unless third nations intervene directly (which we both know they won't) Greece will take a pounding and a lot of innocent people will die. I do agree with you that Russia had no choice but to act in Ukraine. Essentially Nato used Ukraine to continually poke Russia in the eye. So Russia reacted. Ukraine was the sacrificial lamb in this equation. What I'm telling you is Greece might end up as a sacrificial lamb as well.
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@SpirosMargelis I honestly believe the only "hell" they'll be receiving is full sanctions which will throw them back into the stone ages. The idea that the Greek military can "give them hell" is a fantasy. The imbalance is far too great, not only in numbers but in technology. Not to mention they're not as beholdened as Greece to receiving outside supply for things such as ammunition. It's not a fair fight, especially when you take geography into account. The Turks are delusional too when they claim they can walk into Athens. That is literally impossible. They can't go through the land corridor as it's mountainous and easy to defend. Nor can they go through the sea as they don't have the logistics to mount that sort of Normany type beach landings (the only nation on this planet who can do that is America.) But they can EASILY take all the islands in the Aegean without much hassle. In fact the Greek navy probably won't even venture out there to defend. Not to mention the Turks can bombard the Greek mainland with ease where as the Greeks can't bombard the Turkish mainland with much effectiveness. Like I said both nations will be destroyed. One physically one economically. Both will be fuked. Their best bet is to sit down and hammer out an agreement where neither side gets everything they want but both get something they can work with. Hell it's better than both being destroyed no?
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@SpirosMargelis Yes you're right and it is delusional for the Turks to assume they can stroll into Athens, I explained earlier why it's not possible. But again it's just as delusional for the Greeks to assume they can defend those islands so far from their mainland, it's simply not possible. So again it makes sense to negotiate a settlement in which both parties get something because the current situation will bring about a war. If you follow events Erdogan broke ties with Micotakis because after the two spoke and decided to solve their issues bilatterally without bringing in 3rd parties, not one week later Micotakis went back on his word and flew to Washington for support. You have to admit that is a pretty duplicitious way to conduct foreign relations.
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Steve A Are you calling for the invasion of a country where millions will die? Is that the point you're making?
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Ευαγγελος Αγγελος Imagine being so caught up in your own dogma that anyone who doesn't believe in your insanity must be from X ethnic group. I saw this crazy Greek dude do the same thing to an Indian earlier in this comments section lol Yes yes, Turks are everywhere lol
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@IOANNOU28 So essentially you're more interested in the identity of the messenger rather than the messenger? Why? is it because you can't debate the message but would rather stick to adhoc attacks on identity? That is very weak. Also did you literally just say EU Parliament reports? Come on bro, you can't be serious. I think every now knows that is one of the most corrupt organizations on the planet. Please come with something better. Fact of the matter is that within your own dogma you don't realize the globalists are pushing you guys to be the next Ukraine. Completely destroyed and ruined so fat cat arms dealers can get rich. The fact you're using their talking points trying to drag your country into a war is surreal. I might be a better friend to you and yours than you realize.
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@IOANNOU28 Oh and incase you're really that curious about my nationality. Big hint, I'm from a country your country has been begging to protect it. Which we really won't do if sh!t hits the fan. We'll watch you get pummeled while sending you weapons that won't save you. Aka Ukraine style.
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The UK is a vassal state. It won't really matter if you had a leader like this or not. He'd simply have to do as he is told by a foreign power anyway.
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@fairjust8072 Nahhh this guy isn't corrupt at all lol
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Or to make sure we don't have a bunch of troops like sitting ducks who will for sure get wrecked if a conflict breaks out.
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@ASSASIN7-sd5sr America first means America first.
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Most of the things they do can't be debated. So they don't debate it. They'll just come up with some catchy phrase like "you're unpatriotic" and shut down the debate and continue doing what they're doing. It is a playbook that works. I remember people who wanted to debate the Iraq war were shouted down with "you're a saddam lover" People who questioned our involvement in Syria. "You're a Putin agent." People questioning our involvement in Gaza. "You're pro Hamas." Yes it seems childish but oddly enough it works, stops all debate. So you know for the future, when ever you see someone who wants to debate something and is shouted down by some label. You know some serious BS is going down.
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@lysanders8885 Why are you shilling for this? Are you getting a cut too from all the money stuffed in his pocket to do this? Or are you part of the interests actually stuffing money into his pockets?
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@lysanders8885 I'm not the one shilling for a Senator who's obviously been paid off. I think you'd have to be on crack or paid yourself to actually defend that.
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Lets be clear, just as many Republicans are in on this. When Trump wanted to bring those boys home he damned near had a revolt in his own party. This is a uniaprty issue. Both the Dems and Reps are for those 900 boys to be used as live bait or sitting ducks out in Syria. With no clear reason given to us why they're there (at least not one that makes sense)
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What a difficult job this woman has. She knows her boss worked really really hard to earn the nickname Genocide Joe. Yet has to pretend it isn't a thing.
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What in the world is this guy talking about? An illegal militia group on the territory of another nation which ethnically cleansed more than 800,000 civilians in the 1990s is being disarmed. Bob thinks this is a bad thing? Interesting. At what point will the media and these politicians will ever speak the truth on any matter. I wish just once, they'd simply tell the truth. Im' not asking for one, just for the truth 1 time on any issue. I wonder how much this guy got paid to give this insane talk which is nowhere near reality.
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If you give this man enough money, he will also read anything you write for him. If he is willing to parrot the talking points of an illegal militia which is guilty of war crimes. He will surely parrot anything you tell him to parrot. For the right price that is.
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@ViktortheBigD. Most people are simply going to vote for what ever the fancy lady on T.V. tells them to vote for. That is simply how we now operate in this country, it is also how the people lost all power to decide the policy of the country.
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Bot.
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@Chesneytube1. I used to think that too but watch some of their foreign policy debacles I have to think there is a lot of incompetence going on as well.
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@chesneytube1 Yes patsies do what their overlords tell them to do. So what happens when the pantsies do the bidding of their overlords and what they did blows up in the overlords face? There is objective amount of incompetence going on. In many things they're simply not getting their desired results. The Ukraine war being one of them. That blew up in the face so bad, to a point it might be one of the worst strategic blunders of all time for this new globalist elite.
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He knows that but also understands he can't say it lol
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In the late 80s and early 90s. We were so powerful, forget attacking us, nations were even afraid to look at us funny. My my have times changed.
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Lets be realistic, Powell was a war criminal.
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@MrRentgould If you bothered reading the 84 page complaint South Africa put up, you wouldn't call it a lie so easily. The evidence is overwhelming and damning.
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That is how it used to be. Now it's quite the opposite. Especially when you look at all the fundraising numbers. Hillary took in nearly 80x more than Trump in fatcat and corporation donations. So who are the rich backing again?
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@Jenacide I'm a TYT fan, I'm not sure that automatically means I have mental deficiencies. I disagree with literally 99% of their views but I find them highly entertaining lol
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This Syria issue was one of those things that was really eye opening for me. When Trump (the commander and chief) said he was pulling out of Syria. Then the state department said "no we're not." Then the pentagon said "no we're not." I was blown away by this, wondering who is actually in charge here? Also with a bit of research you can find out why your wife is stuck in Syria for 2 years. I pray she gets home to you and your children soon.
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Funny how some figures on the right went from being defenders of free speech to screaming defenders of censorship overnight when the topic of Israel's war crimes came up.
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@RedDragon-k6r Bush II and Genocide Joe are essentially controlled by the same people.
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And how many examples of senseless wars do you need to see before realizing that being a war hawk if you aren't the big wigs making billions off those wars aren't in the interests of our people?
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@giorgosanthopoulos6197 So your entire argument is based on your paranoia that anyone who doesn't agree with your world view must be from X ethnic group? Do you have any idea how insane that sounds? I'm also not exactly sure what that dude in Ankara putting political opponents in jail has to do with slick Bob shilling for foreign interest groups. That's another horrible argument. According to that logic do you believe Bob should now shill for Russia because Ukraine has arrested all opposition media and politicians? Because that would be the logical conclusion to the argument you're making. Which again is insanity.
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Because the big money that funds both parties along with the media simply won't allow it. Trump did the impossible and broke through. Look how hard they went after him.
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@user-te9ut7ms4l If true why was so much effort put for to hide it? So much so that the FBI actually put pressure on social media companies to censor people talking about it. Think about that for a second.
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Pretty genius move on Rand's part. He knows we'll never pull out of Syria. But he is putting pressure on the Senators and forcing them to rubber stamp our presence there. Knowing it is a difficult thing to do because they'll also be on the hook if (and when) something bad happens to those boys. Most of the people in charge simply do not care about using our young men as trip wires to start a war when ever they please. If we the people weren't so apathetic and actually make some noise over this, those 900 boys wouldn't be sitting ducks over there.
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@Gothic, if we stay there it won't be doing them or us any favors. What ever their issues are, they have to deal with the pain until they figure it out.
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Yes but this specific issue isn't even about resources. It is about using 900 young American men as bait, for when ever our psychos in charge want to spark a war. 900 guys, completely isolated in the Syrian desert. To do what exactly? This is all insanity.
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I've come to the conclusion that our nation is run by psychopaths. How did we arrive at this point?
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Yes it is true they're sitting on the oil fields. No it is not true that this oil is shipped back to America. Just getting the oil out of there and to our shores would cost more than the oil is worth, look at a map. The oil is being used to fund whatever group (in many cases terrorist organization) we feel like funding in Syria.
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@Wanda Gray Be careful what you wish for.
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It has zero impact on national security. They're there for reasons the public simply wouldn't agree with, if they ever bothered explaining it.
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These types of issues have gone beyond republican and democrat. Most people have come to understand most of the politicians of both parties have the same exact policy when it comes to these issues. I'm a Republican but I would have voted for Tulsi Gabbard had she not been kicked out of the democratic party for saying the same things Rand just said. We need a third party.
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@Diane Bailey, the official stance of the United States government is generally pro Azeri in this conflict. What a few paid off politicians say isn't going to change that. So no, the United States is not bullying Azerbaijan.
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@TAYLORFAN50 I don't think sending billions of dollars to foreign nations (one which is committing genocide right now) is an answer to that question either.
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Because they don't care what we think
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Which man? Obama? Bush? Biden? Notice I didn't put Trump on the list.
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He is more interested in collecting money from foreign interest groups and giving insane speeches to placate them and keep the money rolling. Never mind the fact he is speaking on behalf of a group which invaded their neighbor's internationally recognized territory and brutally ethnically cleansed 800,000 civilians. He is literally complaining about the proper implimentation of UN resolutions and international law. You really can't make this type of stuff up lol
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A bit late for that. The irreparable damage has been done this time. I don't think people understand just how bad this is, history will not judge us well. Our grandchildren will be cursing us. Ask the Germans how long a stain like this takes to wash off.
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@keepussafeUSA On this specific issue most would probably agree with Natasha Hausdorff's view on this specific matter. But as a general rule of thumb I'd much rather listen to legal experts who don't have a title called barrister and hail from a nation who's national foreign policy is simply based on war crimes and has been based on such for 100s of years. There are plenty of international law experts who aren't from this completely and utterly discredited nation and it's institutions we should be listening to.
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@Cui-bono987 Yup, they had a plan to "reshape" the entire region and had a hitlist of nations. Followed the playbook to a T. It wasn't about stealing oil, we don't need that oil. It was about controlling that region so we'd have the rest of the world by the balls because they need that oil. Not to mention those nations happened to be the ones Israel wanted regime change in. So the elites made billions, Israel got what it wanted using our soldiers as fodder. And the average American citizen got the shaft. We're seeing this same playbook being used again. Except this time the world isn't what it was in the early 2000s. The rest of the world is pushing back.
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They'll find some way to avoid it.
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@VTecharry, when any nation gets warm relations with Saudi Arabia they are very careful to not announce it too loudly. No one wants to highlight the fact they're getting closer and closer with one of the most evil regimes on the planet.
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@vtecharrys.6981 I'm not sure how your rant goes against my post. Yes Greece is cozying up to Saudi Arabia but is keeping it quiet internationally because again it's not a good look. I get your situation, you're getting aggressive on Turkey by using those little islands to block them out of an entire body of water, I'd imagine they're not happy and Greece needs allies to keep this aggression up. I get that but it still doesn't change the fact when any nation gets close to Saudi Arabia they keep it quiet. Saudi Arabia is like that ugly girl some guys hook up with. Yes they'll date her but make sure their friends don't find out lol As far as your rant, if I was Greece I'm not sure I'd push a policy like this. What happens if Turkey reacts and all those "allies" decide not to help? What then? Another Cyprus where you guys catch an ass kicking? You're risking a lot hoping allies will always be there to protect you, dangerous foreign policy.
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I doubt it, this open border thing is more terrifying that than. It is always open, has been open for the past 3 years with no elections on the horizon.
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I'd imagine more than 70% are going to vote for it. And that is a low ball estimate, I would not be shocked if it is as high as 95%.
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You actually except the media or politicians to actually state facts? lol The narratives they craft, they could make the devil look like the good guy.
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@@user-jc4sf7gr2g Oh you mean the one Israel started when it stole people's homes, slaughtered their children and then stuffed the survivors into the world's only and history's largest concentration camp? Is that the war you're referring to?
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Watching all the institutions which are the pillars of society all fall from grace one by one is terrifying. The first shoe to drop was probably the media, people figured out a while ago how corrupt they are. Then came the politicians, watergate didn't help. But hey, we had the military and supreme court we could trust right? Then we had the Iraq war, watched all the human rights abuses then watched Libya get destroyed for no reason and we're like "wow all we have left is the supreme court" Well seems like that is being taken away as an institution which can be trusted as well. All pillars of society, falling one by one.
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Our deployment there is pure and utter insanity, smack dab in the middle of a civil war where all the sides don't want them there. If someone decided to have a real go at our boys there, there are only 900 of them. We'd never get there in time to stop it. But it seems to me that is why they're there. To be used as bait of some kind incase the neocons want to spark a war and use their deaths as the rallying cry. The more you learn about it, the more it makes you sick to your stomach.
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@FINNSTIGAT0R People here in America have zero trust in anything our establishment characters in government have to say. So anything these foreign policy expert types say is seen as bullshit in large segments of American society.
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@FINNSTIGAT0R I think you're quite confused (as usual as I've seen you in comments sections before) Why would I need to go "check for myself?" I'm not the one who called the video bullshit. Someone else did. I merely explained to you why they're calling it bullshit. I see you having an emotional meltdown all over youtube over this Sweden/Finland being vetoed fiasco. Still not being able to come to terms with the reality of why this is happening to them and how it is a self inflicted wound.
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@FINNSTIGAT0R It isn't your linguistic errors or grammar which are the issue. It is your ideas which seem detached from reality. Also I've already explained why in America people call out anything the foreign policy establishment says to be "bullshit." It's simply how people feel. Living in Finland I wouldn't expect you to understand that. You don't live in a country where your country has dragged you off to war on lies that you no longer believe anything foreign policy experts ever say.
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@FINNSTIGAT0R Like I said earlier I've seen you on different threats regarding the issue. You seem to argue the issue as if Turkey has absolutely zero reason to veto Sweden and they're simply doing it because they feel like it. It's a pretty delusional opinion to have. Sweden is going to be left out of Nato due to some actions they've taken. As for Finland if they continue with this "take us both or none of us" attitude they're going to be left out as well.
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@FINNSTIGAT0R Well isn't it Finland's choice when they say "take us both or don't take either." Because at the end of the day I don't really see any nation on this planet being part of a collective defense agreement and not being against the admission of a nation which is financing the bombings of schools and hospitals into your organization. Or any other nation who says they will join with them or not join at all. Fact of the matter is that Finland has to make a choice here. Sweden at this point is not getting into Nato. Be left out in the cold with Sweden, or negotiate separately and get in. I don't know man, both these nations have really painted themselves into a corner. Bad leadership?
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@FINNSTIGAT0R Finland dragged themselves into it by making statements like "This is a joint bid." Or statements like "both nations have to be taken in." I think you're failing to realize just how adamant Sweden and Finland are about both being taken in together. I agree with you that the Turks are being ridiculous by lumping in Finland with this mess. But the Fins aren't helping matters either. They could easily throw Sweden under the bus and negotiate separately while condemning what Sweden has been up to. That would work, it's simply not something your politicians are willing to do. Normally I would think this about leaders of nations but I was rather surprised when Finish and Swedish leaders seemed "shocked" they were being threatened by a veto. The fact they didn't see this coming from 10 miles away shows how naive they are about the world and how it works. Me personally I'd like to see both these nations under the Nato umbrella but it seems the leadership in both nations simply can't read the cards properly and are drowning in their own cognitive dissonance. I'm not sure so about Sweden but Finland is still a nation with a proper democracy and proper freedoms for the people. Vote in better leaders.
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@FINNSTIGAT0R I appreciate the explanation as to why Finns feel the way they do about Swedes, it helps me understand the situation better. But the situation is that Sweden did what it did and Turkey feels a certain way about it. How the Finns feel about Sweden isn't going to change that fact. Foreign policy based on feelings is also a huge disservice to the citizens of that country. Being so close to Russia is one thing, being that close and not getting into Nato but applying for Nato puts a country in a very very dangerous position to be in. Being in a situation like that you'd think a nation would have more rational and calculating leadership. Me personally I don't think Russia would invade Finland or Sweden but imagine they did? How silly will all the reasons these two nations were kept out of Nato seem at that point? I'd also ask Sweden at that point "if it was worth it." Then I'd ask Finland if their feelings for Sweden were worth it. Sweden is probably going to descend into chaos anyway in the next 40 years with or without a war with Russia. But Finland? From what I know Finland is a fantastic place with a very bright future. It would be horrible to see what happened to Ukraine happen to Finland. Sitting around blaming the Turks isn't going to really help the situation either. In fact all this rhetoric which doesn't take into account the rationality of their position is doing nothing but harden their position on the issue. If I were in their shoes, I'd probably do the same exact thing, most rational humans would. Although I'm not sure I'd drag Finland into the mess. From the research I've done (limited to google searches) I couldn't find any information of Finland sending financial aid to groups that blow up schools and hospitals (which you can agree is an INSANE thing to do.)
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@FINNSTIGAT0R I'm a nobody, just someone who reads a lot about what is going on around the world. Even I knew Sweden was going to get vetoed, yet the Swedes themselves seem to have been shocked at this development. It shocks me that some random hack like me sitting in America saw this coming and the entire government of that country didn't? Didn't the Finnish government also know what some nobody like me seemed to know about Sweden getting vetoed and perhaps worry it might have a spill over effect on them? This sounds like outright insanity to me. If I lived in either of these nations I'd be hot skipping mad about my government's inability to analyze the real world. My government has done some horrible things but I don't ever remember thinking they did it because they didn't know any better. All the terrible things done like the invasion of Iraq and the destabilization of many poor third world nations were done with cold hard calculated rational. I could complain about what my government has done in certain instances but I've never felt that they were idiots who had no idea what was going on. That would be an outright terrifying thought.
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@FINNSTIGAT0R Well I'm sure you are very happy right now. Sweden really pushed this to the last minute. Taking this as far as it could take hoping to join Nato and still have the ability to finance armed groups which blow up schools and hospitals. When the last minute came, they eventually caved in and in unhappy fashioned signed a memorandum promising to stop financial aid for such groups. They were lucky Turkey didn't take the issue much farther (Most nations would have taken it farther) and now Sweden and Finland can join Nato. If only Sweden hadn't been so damned stubborn about these armed groups this entire fiasco could have probably been avoided. Either way all is well that ends well. Sweden and Finland Nato members.
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@FINNSTIGAT0R It was nice to see Sweden backdown and do what was necessary. Arming terrorists or get into Nato, it was a really difficult decision for them to make 🤣
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Because the establishment is terrified they'll lose their grip on power if the people are disgruntled enough. Considering the purpose of this meeting is of matters that same establishment handles, it makes sense increasing oil production in the United States will be at the heart of nearly every discussion involving domestic and foreign policy.
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If we went isolationist, how else are the big wigs going to make billions for doing nothing? The war machine is firmly in control.
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@mnemonija He can't because it is obvious he answers to a nation not called the United States of America. His boss serves the interests of a foreign power.
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