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This is a very interesting topic. While leaders of nations like this live in the real world and make pragmatic decisions which are beneficial to their base. European leaders have gone down the road of living in a world of narratives, almost hostage to them.
Living in a world of narratives (facts be damned) also filters down to the mainstream. Take this video for example, using terms like authoritarian strongman are quite childish and a consequence of living in that narrative fantasy world cage.
Then in the beginning of the video talking about how the EU stalled Turkey because of democracy, or this or that or Cyprus is again living in a fantasy world of false narratives. No one wants to talk about the extremely obviously and 800lbs elephant in the room. Turkey is a huge nation with an extremely large and growing population not to mention has a bit of a chip on their shoulder when it comes to the Europeans.
Everyone knows Europe isn't run via the consensus of it's members but more so is dominated by larger powers like France and Germany. They essentially set policy and bully everyone else into it. They protect their clout and influence within the organization by almost any means necessary. So ask yourself a simple question, why would these two nations allow an extremely large and influential nation into the block that they can't control? All this would do is dilute the power of France and Germany within the block. Due to it's sheer size in the next few decades Turkey will have over 100 million people. Think about how much voting power that gives Turkey within EU decision making mechanisms, not to mention both Paris and Berlin know they won't be able to influence the voting of that country as much as they'd like. Not to mention with their voting power they'd ensure a large chunk of EU funds will flow directly into their country.
So no, Turkey wasn't blocked from the EU because of their economy, their democracy or the Cyprus problem. They were blocked because there is no way on god's green earth that Germany and France would willingly enter a situation where their power and influence would be challenged, diminished and diluted.
No nation can admit this, so obviously they have to come up with every other excuse under the sun which doesn't sound as Machiavellian as this.
I've been saying this for 20 years, the idea of Turkey entering the EU is nothing short of a pipedream. It really isn't in the cards nor will it ever be. The real politik foundations of this happening simply aren't there. We can sit here and nibble around the edges at a million other secondary reasons why Turkey should or shouldn't be in the EU but again all of it is completely irrelevant.
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@Ashnagarr618
(Yes, i am. )
Obvious considering how irrational and emotional you are on this topic.
(1) France was a world superpower even before colonisation.)
Doesn't change the their economy will collapse without pillaging Africa)
(2) France had its industrial revolution before colonisation of Africa.)
( 3) Africa in its globality doesn't even represent 0.5% of France External Income and Commercial relations, and most of those 0.5% are in the maghreb region.)
This means absolutely nothing because it takes take into account the hundreds of billions of dollars of resources stolen from these nations to power France's industry. Perhaps if France paid market value for all these things the GDP of these nations would be a lot higher. Your argument makes absolutely zero sense when put under a microscope.
(4) France is losing money in Africa, because we give too much international aid in several forms (Health, Economic help, military help etc). Currently, Africa cost more than it brings back.)
If France was losing money in Africa, your banking elites and political elites wouldn't' be absolutely losing their minds about being pushed out of Africa. Economic help? What economic help? You mean bribes paid out so you can continue to steal resources? Or the money and aid given tot he terrorist organizations to destabilize governments who don't do the regime in Paris's bidding?
Chirac said it best "without Africa our economy would collapse"
(France neo-colonisation is a myth maintened by worthless individuals to explain easily why their countries are failures, and by russia and china to facilitate their projects in Africa.)
France's neo-colonization is not only a fact, it is an easily demonstrable fact. You claiming it is a myth against all the mountains of evidence the rest of the world understands isn't going to change that. It is akin to you claiming gravity is a myth and feeling good about yourself afterward.
The fact you think it is only people from these affected nations who understand what France is doing and has done shows how delusional you really are.
I come from a nation which is 100x more powerful than France, so much more powerful than France to a point the world sees France as our lap dog. So how is it that I know of France's dealings in France then, if it is only a myth made up by people from crap nations to rationalize their misery?
Your level of cognitive dissonance is quite scary. It is one thing to be from a nation who's government is pure evil but it is another to actually trick yourself into thinking this evil is good. But then again you are French, things that apply to most people don't really apply to you guys. I'm actually shocked you didn't just surrender to me immediately as soon as this debate started, considering you guys are famous for that.
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@travelmentaryTV Georgia is in that region and no one is trying to "break their back" aside from Russia itself.
I'd imagine when Armenia stops making territorial claims on 3 of it's 4 neighbors they'll be just fine, not to mention all the trade opportunities that come with it.
As far as Russia causing these conflicts it's no secret that Russia to keep influence in different regions had a policy to ferment divisions in different ethnic groups, it's a policy they've been pretty open about since Soviet days. In fact the borders of Nagorno Karabakh were actually drawn to keep the town sides in conflict by the USSR. Not to mention that in the 1990s Russia armed Armenia to the teeth to invade Azerbaijan which is what is causing this current conflict. Russian influence in this region will lead to nothing but misery for the people.
As far as geopolitical strategy being "no worse" than other nations I beg to differ. All large nations do horrible things, my nation has done some of the most horrible things on the planet in the last 50 years. With that said you won't find one group of people under Russian influence who didn't suffer massively from it and will curse Russian influence to the ends of the world.
I get why Russia does it, it's their defense strategy to keep influence outside their borders as their heartland would be difficult to defend without that buffer, considering how aggressive Nato has been on the Russians even after the breakup of the USSR, I can again understand why Russia does this.
But understanding why they do it and to simply ignore the horrible consequences on these ethnic groups under their thumb are two different things.
Russia will at the end of the day do anything in their power to make sure these two nations are in constant tension, it's the only way to ensure they stay within the Russian orbit and keep Nato out. From the Russian point of view just imagine what would happen of Armenia had great relations with her neighbors. First their economy would take off, their trade with the outside world via the ports of Armenia's neighbors would open Armenia up to the world, it's living standards would go up and it would be a lot closely aligned with Nato and the west in general. Big win for your average Armenian in the street but a HUGEE loss for Russia.
So my original point still stands, Russia does not in any way, shape or form want Armenia and Azerbaijan to not have tension. Good for Russia, bad for Azerbaijan much worse for Armenia.
Yes I understand the "great game" and I don't blame Russia for playing it. But I won't sit here and paint a rosy picture of what is done in the great game either. If I did, I'd sound like those idiots who claimed invading Iraq was going to be a good thing for the people who live there.
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This was an interesting take on the whole situation. As someone who has been living in Turkey part time for over 25 years I can confidently say people back home in the west simply do not understand this country and it's internal dynamics.
As the podcaster was asking near the end of the video about getting Turkey back into the European orbit. I'd imagine that time has come and gone. 2004 was essentially the breaking point between Europe and Turkey and it has been driven off a cliff ever since. Personally I don't think the Turks have any interest in integrating with Europe, the only time they'll mention it is for diplomatic points in playing the victim. Even if the EU offered them a no questions asked entry tomorrow they'd probably reject it. I also agree with the podcaster that a Turkey in the EU would have served the interests of Greece. Greece would no longer be on the front lines of the EU, their security in hand they also wouldn't have the economic burden of high defense budgets, not to mention a huge market next door to ship products to. That ship sailed, the Turks now see Europe as strategically irrelevant in the long term at best and a sinking ship in the long term at worst. I'd imagine the Turks in the long term will essentially be looking at the EU as a place to bully in the future and take concessions from. Europe has two major routes to bring in resources and energy. Through Russia or middle eastern and central Asian energy through Turkey. America shot Europe in the foot with Russia and Europe shot itself in the foot with Turkey. Europe needs at least one of them in their orbit, having both of them as adversarial when you need them to bring in energy is one of the worst geopolitical blunders of the past 200 years. Europe now in the long term will be hemmed in by two hostile powers who control all their energy routes.
As far as Greece's security, unfortunately I believe the Turks will be coming for them sooner or later. America's response and Turkey's economy are really the only things holding back the itchy finger generals on this issue. If America is ever disinterested in the region and Turkey finds space, they're going to make their move like Russia recently made their move. Unfortunately for Greece there is literally nothing the EU nations can really do to stop it, aside from harsh statements and economic sanctions. They're pretty hell bent on carving out a sphere of influence in the East Med and Aegean Sea, akin to how China views retaking Taiwan. Greece's best hope is for some sort of civil strife in Turkey or a complete economic meltdown where the entire political class gets wiped out, both unlikely to happen.
I remember an analyst once told me in 2009 that Ukraine is on borrowed time, Russia will eventually come knocking. I remember thinking it was far fetched. Now I feel the same about Turkey and Greece.
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You said, "That EU narrative dynamic is being superimposed here in Canada through the globalization and post nationalization of our gov, and an apparatus of social engineering controlling all media, very soviet state, with influencers embedded among the people to make it look like this is just how people think here, but it isn't."
Again it is hard for any rational person to argue against what you're saying. It does seem like all power centers of our society are working toward a very specific goal. Authoritarianism can take many forms and socialism can be one of those forms.
But there are reasons I believe socialism is not the end goal, I've learned over the years to never listen to what these people are saying but to watch what they do .
The rhetoric is surely socialism but the actions are not. Lets take the EU as an example who has been at the forefront of this. No nation sliding toward socialism will have income equality skyrocketing. The gap between the super wealthy and everyone else is widening at extraordinary rates. You can see the same trends in Canada and the EU.
Personally I think the end game is power, pure unadulterated power and any rhetoric to pull the wool over the public's eyes to erode the sharing of power in these nations will be used, even socialist rhetoric. All this went into real over drive in the early 2000s first kicking off with a slue of war they wanted and an eroding civil liberties in America. During that time they used the conservatives and conservative talking points to get all that through. Once the winds changed and the public turned against that policy they simply put in a guy with leftist rhetoric who did the same exact things the guy with right wing rhetoric was doing. The Obama administration was nothing more than a continuation of the Bush administration.
The end goal is for a very small group of people to own everything and to decide everything.
I think we're nearing the end of this as this mindset is looking like it will collapse as the rest of the world is turning it's back on the west. This will stop but unfortunately it will destroy the future of an entire civilization before it does.
This Israel/Palestine thing is looking like the canary in the coalmine. The entire planet is aligned against the west on this issue, being that diplomatically isolated is not a place you want to be on the world stage. Rough waters ahead.
Again regardless of what they claim to be. Socialist, liberal, conservative or what ever new label they say they're working under. Watch what they do, not what they say.
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@msbayramoglu1.
Lets be realistic here, what can they do?
None of these nations except Egypt actually have the ability to defend themselves. They've seen what happens to leaders in this region who speak out or take action (Saddam and Gaddafi.) They're repeatedly being threatened by the United States and Israel with being "wiped out."
Now you can take a shot at Egypt here, because they actually have a military capable of defending the country. You can take a shot at Turkey, they most of all have a military so powerful to a point no one would even consider invading them. These nations short of war can take bold steps but they don't.
What in the world do you think nations like the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Yemen, Bahrain, Iraq and Oman can do? Like I said earlier they're sitting ducks without the ability to defend themselves. Hell Hamas with homemade weapons can probably protect themselves better than these nations.
Qatar can speak out a bit, because they're under the military umbrella of the Turks.
Lets be a little realistic here.
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@Bounty4ul I highly doubt any of these nations are afraid of Israel. Israel's military capabilities (contrary to popular belief) aren't really enough to scare many nations.
What these nations are afraid of is an intervention by America. They saw what happened to Saddam, they saw what happened to Libya and they saw what almost happened to Assad.
If these nations were more stable, had better functioning military forces, if their leaders had popular support from the people, then yes they could be reacting to this in a way you want them to react.
And before we put these nations down, lets also remember that many of them are brand new states. These nations haven't had independence for very long and they're just learning the art of governance and statecraft.
Lets take Saudi Arabia for instance. Their ruling elite were goat herders just a few generations ago. You can't expect them to run a foreign policy like the Turks or the Persians for example who've had experience and state institutions running continuously for nearly 1000 years they can rely on.
The Arab people were put into a really dark place after WW1. It will take them time to climb out of it and they are accelerating their climb. They will get to a point where they can act independently, like I said earlier they just need time.
Like you I would also like to see neighboring states take a more active role in defending the dignity of the Palestinians. But we also have to be realistic in what these nations can and cannot accomplish right now.
Also I see a lot of people in the Muslim community hoping for a military intervention for this issue. Me personally, I don't think a military intervention is in the cards. Lets assume for a second America left the region and the Arab states flooded into Israel and defeated the IDF. Have you ever heard of the "Sampson option" the Israelies keep talking about? It is a doctrine of theirs that if their state falls by military force, they will take everyone with them using nukes. Yes it sounds crazy but do you believe those extremist zionists won't do this?
So again there is no military solution here. The apartheid state must be dismantled just like the apartheid regime in South Africa was dismantled. Through political pressure, economic pressure and worldwide awareness. That train has already left the tracks, it is only a matter of time, they cannot keep the Palestinians stuffed into concentration camps forever.
Sorry for the long post, I hope you took the time to read it. Pray for Palestine.
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@wendylafolle Well I can give you about 600 examples but I'll give you a few.
Example 1:Law of Return (1950) and Israeli Citizenship Law (1952): granting every Jew in Israel, the OPT and abroad, the superior status and rights of Jewish nationals of Israel, including the rights to immigrate with their families and automatic citizenship;
Palestinians do not have this right of return or the same access that Jews do. So you have one set of laws for one ethnic group and a different set of laws for another. Definition? Apartheid.
Example 2: Basic Law: the Knesset (1958), Section 7A: providing, a.o., that Israel is a “Jewish state”, allowing exclusion from parliamentary elections of political parties that challenge this principle;
So essentially if you're not Jewish, if you don't accept the supremacy Jews over you in the country you are excluded from conducting political life. Definition? Apartheid law.
Example 3. Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty (1992) limiting fundamental human rights, including the right to equality, with the proviso that these must be in conformity with the values of Israel as a “Jewish and democratic state”.
So the law basically says if you're not Jewish and don't adhere to the supremacy of Jewish culture in the country, your rights can be impeded upon. Definition? Yup you guessed it, apartheid law.
Example 4. Admissions Committees Law (2011): allows rural Jewish communities to reject Palestinians wishing to live in them, depriving Palestinians of the right to housing and access to state land.
So basically you have a law which decides what ethnic groups are allowed to live where, buy property where? Definition? Classic apartheid law.
You can look those laws up, they're on the books. Like I said there are hundreds of other massively discriminatory and apartheid level laws in Israel.
Your own legal system proves you are an apartheid state. No two ways around it.
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@coloneldarren999 Actually no, a lot of people on the right feel this way, why would you assume he is a lefty.
Ben has gone absolutely bonkers.
The right is moving toward America first. Not Israel first or Ukraine first.
America first.
CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC and all the like disagree with me on this one. Are you in agreement with them? If so are you going to now hit me with mainstream false narratives as a defense?
While you're at it, you might as well try to convince us Covid came from a bat in a cave, men can get pregnant, inflation is transitory, Jan 6th was an insurrection and Israel isn't an Apartheid state who set up the largest concentration camp in human history.
Remember you can't pick and choose, you either have to roll with all of em or none of em.
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