Comments by "upabittoolate" (@upabittoolate) on "Non-Issue: Romney Polygamy Commune Comments From Montana Governor" video.

  1. You don't know the statement is wrong. I challenged you to check out my sources for yourself & make your own conclusions about the veracity of my remarks. Whether or not I "like" Mormons is of no consequence. You asked "what's wrong with polygamy?" I responded to your question. If you don't want to look at my sources, that's your own decision. But you don't get to change the conversation into a discussion of what I like or dislike.
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  2. Polygamy is a clusterfuck. Think about it. Can you imagine if 1 wife decides to not be part of a polygamy family then tries to put the husband on child support? A court can't force the other wives to give their resources to a kid they didn't produce. Furthermore, how in the hell is a husband expected to provide for 5 families? Research public assistance use in Colorado City, AZ. You'll find that most of those fundie Mormons are on stamps & welfare. I haven't even mentioned custody issues yet.
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  3. It's the Journal of Forensic Science's September, 2002 issue. Google is a powerful tool.
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  4. They do. Read the book.
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  5. What a lot of people don't know is that most polygamists use gov't assistance. It's challenging to support 10 daughter-wives.
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  6. Well, if you aren't him, just look at my other posts. I didn't present a complex outline of all the problems but I pointed out the 2 main problems with polygamy. It's a clusterfuck.
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  7. It doesn'tmatter what type of polygamy you prefer. It's still a mess in a practical sense. It's assumed that people are of legal age to give consent to enter marriage in the 1st place. But let's be honest, a "career woman" is going to want at least half the assets AND her kids if she decides to bolt. But considering the fact that assets are considered community property in a marriage, it's a legal problem to mete out the assets. It's not about gov't meddling. It's about court precedents.
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  8. You don't see how it's a legal mess? So if a wife leaves the marriage & wants half & the other wives don't want to share the assets, that's not a legal mess? Custody isn't a mess considering the fact that a wife may not want her kid around the other polygamists? Warren Jeffs didn't marry his own daughter? Are you stupid or something?
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  9. You don't even have to read the book. Hell, you don't even have to think about Warren Jeffs. All you need to do is read that JFS article; it's a primary source. Lemme guess, you don't "like" reading.
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  10. Isn't that a ninja mask?
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  11. Genie, is that you?
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  12. That community is in AZ (Colorado City to be exact). But the narrative is the same for most of those Fundie-Mormon communities. If the husband decides he's had a vision (like Joseph did in the 1800s), he'll marry a daughter. Read the Journal of Forensic Science from Sept. of '02. And if you don't wanna read the book, there's a History Channel special on it. Hell you can even watch it here on youtube. G'head & watch it. Read the article too. I challenge you.
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  13. Furthermore, what if, in the event of a divorce, custody must be shared? Would your ex's new spouse gaslighting your kid? Would you want your ex's MULTIPLE spouses gaslighting your kid?
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  14. (part II) In addition, the fact that I used the example of Mormons doesn't change the premise. If Muslims were involved in polygamy in the States (or elsewhere) that doesn't change the nature of the problems associated with polygamy. Divvying assets in the event of divorce or widowing is STILL an issue. Child custody is STILL an issue. Familial, material support is STILL an issue. I guess you wanna focus on the incest part. Hmm...
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  15. The main problem with polygamy is that it's irresponsible to say you can support multiple families. But the other problems arise in childcare situations. Let's say 1 wife doesn't like the another wife. But since wife 2 is still a wife & a de-facto stepmother, she hits wife 1's kids. Or what happens in the event of divorce or the death of the patriarch? How do they determine possession of assets? You're talking about a family court & civil court clusterfuck of epic proportions.
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  16. That's not what Cenk said. He said that Romney's GRANDFATHER's polygamy isn't of consequence.
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  17. Polygamy SHOULD be illegal. It's a legal mess to sort out if, 1 day, a wife decides she doesn't want to be involved. On top of that, polygamists end up screwing their own daughters. Have you read "Under the Banner of Heaven" by Jon Krankauer? If not, you should.
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  18. That's why I called it a clusterfuck. The legal system as well as public assistance systems are already under strain. What if 1 of the wives has a job? Does she get to claim kids that aren't hers? Can the other wives sue? As for custody, I can't begin to explain the legal possibilities. Hell, how could you get a no-fault divorce when kids are involved? What about property? If you were the wife with the job & you bought something, would you wanna split its value w/unemployed mom in divorce court?
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  19. You know you just admitted that you don't read. Right? I say that because when I mentioned the article the 1st time, I typed out the title of the publication. Like I said, dude, if you don't want to read it & understand how I came to that conclusion given the evidence, that's oyur choice. But you don't get to say who "likes" what.
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  20. (partII) As for the gov't "meddling", I'll be damned if my tax dollars are going to public assistance & I have to abide by the court system & they (the many, polygamist, public assistance recipients) don't. Fuck that.
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