Comments by "upabittoolate" (@upabittoolate) on "KKK Snowman With Noose" video.

  1. @AmericanNohbuddy No. The snow-Klansman isn't exactly an attractive nuisance because it doesn't run the risk of harming anyone. Read up on the meaning of attractive nuisance before you muse about it. And we don't know where the property extends so don't make dumb assumptions. Furthermore, it being on his property isn't license to do just anything. Why don't you understand that?
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  2. @AEgamesFtw You really don't understand it? Okay, I'll simplify it. We have regulations on personal property not because the gov't made up these rules but because communities came together & made legislation about the rules. In the case of homes, if your lawn looks bad, you get a ticket & rightfully so. In a perfect world, people would all take care of their business. But unfortunately they don't In this case, gov't (small gov't) is correct.
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  3. @bobbytiger Again, the difference is that you (a visitor of the museum) are going into that museum knowing that you may be offended by some of the work. A front lawn isn't an art gallery. Don't you understand the difference or are you just being argumentative?
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  4. @ethanB612 You'll never get that while it's his lawn, he can't just do anything on it? Can he have a bonfire? Nope. Can he turn his front lawn into a pit to change oil? Nope. Again, I'm not saying it;s not his prerogative. I'm not being thought police either. I'm saying that he can't just do whatever he wants. He's a member of a COMMUNITY. He has to obey the same laws the he's protected by.
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  5. @Vernonu9 What about the mixed kids that were the product of rape? Do you smile for them too? Just askin'.
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  6. trolling thunder
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  7. @GnosticAtheist I kinda figured that. There's no way ANY person with ANY critica thinking ability would see these as the same thing. C'mon.
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  8. @ethanB612 Putting it on his lawn is making it everyone else's business. Don;t you get that?
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  9. @AmericanNohbuddy Back to the flags though, if there's a consensus reached by member sof that community, the rainbow flag comes down. WTF is "gay pride" anyway? Being gay is incidental; it's not a fucking achievement. So again, don't make assumptions about what I may or may not think. I'm personally opposed to & offended by the the snow-Klansman for my own reasons (the main is that I'm Black & I've seen people lynched with my own eyes) but I understand the boundaries of the law too.
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  10. @ethanB612 That's not Nazi-sim or fascism. It's local consensus.
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  11. @clessers My bad, I was going of Ana's introduction where she said Ohio; silly me. Either way, I'm correct about the attractive nuisance part with the noose. I'm still researching what's on the books for intimidation. Funny, I've combed the state gov't's website & all I get when I use "race" as a keyword search is something about horse & dogtracks. Perhaps Idaho IS that backward.
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  12. @AmericanNohbuddy No. I'm saying that it's not sensible to think that people can just block it out. "I'm sorry your honor, I didn't see that 4yo running across the street because I was too busy trying to avert my eyes from that snow-Klansman." Can you imagine what the judge would say? This isn't about my personal bias. This is about having shit on your lawn that's deemed unacceptable by the community. The skyscraper anecdote was just that, an anecdote to show you how ownership has limits.
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  13. @AmericanNohbuddy No, anyone can't take it down; there's cops for that. If there's mandate about rainbow flags, the resident has to obey that law or work to change the law. It's not me that banned anything, it's an agreement that was made by that particular community. Again, owning a property doesn't give you license to do just anything. For instance, If I want to screw my wife on my driveway in broad daylight, am I allowed simply because I'm within my domain's boundaries?
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  14. @GnosticAtheist I think he & I bumped heads about that 1 too. I'm seeing a pattern here.
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  15. @FlatulenceFox I thought it was Hayden, OH.
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  16. @Zeldagigafan90210 ... or piss on it to make it look like Handbanana.
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  17. @MorbidDemonHunter I can tell my kids, "don't go anywhere near that place." But even if my kid is in front of my house, but I live across the street from the guy, I'll see the snow-Klansman. If I'm driving my car to my home & I pass that house, it's incumbent on me as a motorist to watch everything in my periphery. Qouldn't you agree? So the notion of "looking the other way" doesn't work here. This ain't a TV station I can change or a book I can close. Understand?
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  18. @MorbidDemonHunter No my friend. It's within the neighbors' reasonable periphery. Parents have children they must look after. People have to be concerned about where they're driving. People have to be able to look out their windows. Are you assuming that people are gonna simply have a blind spot for this snowman? That's not reasonable at all. What the guy thinks is hos own business is his own business. But this is tantamount to playing loud music all the time. We can't just turn off our ears.
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  19. @AEgamesFtw I've gotten a ticket simply because my car had a ding from an accident. I had a plastic bag for a window at that time.
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  20. Eff 3/19/87 2927.12 Ethnic intimidation. (A) No person shall violate section 2903.21, 2903.22, 2909.06, or 2909.07, or division (A)(3), (4), or (5) of section 2917.21 of the Revised Code by reason of the race, color, religion, or national origin of another person or group of persons. (B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of ethnic intimidation. Ethnic intimidation is an offense of the next higher degree than the offense the commission of which is a necessary element of ethnic intimidation
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  21. @Wenutz You can't even construct a sentence. You don't get to talk.
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  22. @clessers In essence, you're saying that since the neighbors aren't Black, Jewish or homosexual, they shouldn't be bugged by this snow-Klansman. That doesn't make sense at all. That's like saying that because I'm Black, I'm not allowed to enjoy punk rock 'cause it wasn't "made" for me. Are you really gonna present that as an argument? If so, you've lost the argument already.
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  23. @SomeOneFromOFS You DEFINITELY aren't among the smartest members of ANY race identified group. That much is self evident. You're assuming that the guy's neighbors are "feeling sorry for the Blacks". That's dumb. How about them being thoughtful people who are intrinsically offended by racism? Have you considered THAT you peabrain?
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  24. @ethanB612 No. Eyesore is determined by that community in conjunction with the local & civic legislatures. My opinion doesn't matter. I'm talking about homeowners' laws as I understand them. Stop arguing on emotion. Step back & look at the facts. Facts are that communities are governed. This guy chose to be a member. He obeys the the governing laws or he works to change those laws the legal way. Dig?
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  25. @SwampThizzle I see a Black man every time I visit my brother in law when he's teaching physics at UofI. I see a Black man every time I visit my best friend, Alex, who's a devoted father & family man. I see a Black man every time I talk to my mentor, Dr. Cornelius Watson, a microbiologist & an associate professor. Yeah right. You are a fucktard.
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  26. @AmericanNohbuddy An attractive nuisance isn't a decoration. An attractive nuisance is a swimming pool in your back yard isn't reasonably secured by a locked gate. An attractive nuisance is when a garage converted to a woodworking shop and the resident leaves the door open. A NOOSE, that's is considered a weapon, left in plain sight with easy access by kids, is an attractive nuisance. If you need more clarification, google it.
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  27. The guy actually broke 2 laws here.
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  28. @clessers Please tell me that you don't assume that a person must be Black, Jewish or gay to feel intimidated.
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  29. @Wenutz Cenk is against building codes? That's not realistic. Not only that, he hasn't said that. You tried to present a strawman argument and you assumed that it was some big, bad gov't instead of considering the actual legislatures who are usually, at that level, your next door neighbors. Way to squirm though.
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  30. @clessers But you're assuming that only certain people are afraid of the Klan. It's my assertion that anyone with reasonable intelligence is offended by what they represent. I'm not thnking for anyone else, I'm intelligent & empathetic. People who have those same qualities feel the same way I do. It's not just a "Black thing". Nevertheless, this guy broke 2 laws: intimidation & attractive nuisance. You can use all the "don'tthink for other people" rhetoric you like but you can't escape law.
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  31. @AmericanNohbuddy Not exactly. There's this thing called "consensus". And while I understand the postulate you're implying here that the 1st Amendment is designed to protect UNpopular speech. But that's not the case here. This is political dissent or social critique. This is a crude homage to a violent group of terrorists. And you need to understand what an attractive nuisance is. I'll elaborate.
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  32. @AmericanNohbuddy BTW, I don't deny that having all the lawn decorations during Xmas & Halloween are attractive nuisances. I'm not big in the whole lawn decoration thing for philosophical reasons but I also understand that a a kid can get injured or electrocuted in some cases with all those busy light displays, etc. So don't assume that I'm "okay" with lawn decorations.
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  33. @AmericanNohbuddy There's obviously a mandate about having something that's been deemed "offensive" in plain view though. Also, a noose that's attached to a snowman, where a child can get to it, is called an attractive nuisance. A 1st year law student will tell you that's a no-no. Nevertheless, owning the property doesn't mean he can do any & everything he wants to do. You've already conceded that.
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  34. @ethanB612 To be honest, I would definitely not have the guy as a neighbor. But this isn't about my opinion. This is about whether or not the guy is allowed to have an eyesore on his lawn (even if it'll melt on a sunny day). Stop giving emotional responses & THINK Ethan.
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  35. @SomeOneFromOFS That's an absolute bullshit argument. What you're saying is that people aren't offended by the racist overtones of a depiction of the KKK simply because they sympathize with the plight of Blacks in America. In other words you're saying that people can't be offended by something that's intrinsically wrong. To assume that the next guy can't think is rather thoughtless on your part.
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  36. @Zeldagigafan90210 So because the country's leadership, it's okay to attack unarmed civilians; not soldiers? That's faulty reasoning. In any case, there was no excuse to use such an inhumane weapon. The Japanese navy was all but obliterated, their army was non-existent. If you're in a ring & your opponent is out on his feet but won't throw in the towel, is it okay to hop into the stands & pop his wife in the mouth?
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  37. Why not pee on the snowman & just make him look like a banana?
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  38. @clessers It's moot now because Ana had me looking in the wrong place. Funny how mneumonics work when you're an auditory learner. I'll concede that 1. But I'll stay with the rest of my argument that being his property doesn't give him carte blanche. Again, he's within a community. It's 1 thing to have political differences. But this is beyond the pale.
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  39. @AmericanNohbuddy I'll revisit my anecdote about loud music & burning leaves. May I do those things simply because it's my property? No. Although we don't always agree, I recognize your intelligence. That said, you're smart enough to understand the nuance of the former anecdotes so I think you understand the nuance of the latter anecdote. C'mon man, don't play coy.
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  40. @SwampThizzle I see a Black man every time I shave & brush my teeth. I see my Black face every time I look down at water on a sunny enough day. I see a Black man when I'm webcaming with my father. I see a Black man every time I talk to my colleagues. We pay taxes, maintain our properties, keep the peace & obey the law. Racism ain't a good look dude.
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  41. @bobbytiger "ARt" absolutely IS in the eye of the beholder. But that's not the case here. Like I said before: you can't equate a piece hanging in a gallery to a snowman in an idiot's driveway. That's the fallacy of false equivalency. Furthermore, it's YOU calling it 'art'. Bear in mind that I'm not saying it isn't art. Bear in mind that your 'artist' didn't even have the presence of mind to use that argument. It's YOUR logic. You can't use that premise 'cause you don't read minds.
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  42. @whoo689 It's in the PREAMBLE you peckerhead. "...in order to form a more perfect UNION...", "... insure DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY..." I guess you missed that while you were so engrossed with Walden. Besides, this isn't about a right to not be offended. This is about the right to walk out of your home & not see racist bullshit that's 25ft from your own door. This ain't a case of someone flying a Bears flag in Wisconsin my friend. This is a whole sight more serious.
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  43. @clessers My position hasn't changed at all. Afraid, offended. Potato, pototto. Let me refine it again. I'm Black. I've seen lynched bodies with my 2 eyes. The fact that there's been an attempt to intimidate people with the visage of the Klan is offensive to me. ie, a 5'4", 150lb man isn't much of a threat to me in a 1on1 fight but he's still breaking the law if he tries to intimidate me.
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  44. @AmericanNohbuddy If you've ever read any of the Constitution's signers, you'll find out what the 1st Amendment means. There's no clause that goes, "you can say anything & expect no consequence". Nevertheless, it is indeed his property but he's built an eyesore. In addition, the noose is considered an attractive nuisance. Just because it's his property doesn't mean he gets away with anything. If it's his property can he knock down his hoiuse & built a skyscraper? No.
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  45. @Zeldagigafan90210 Nevertheless, I used those examples on inhumanity to illustrate the fact that a sentient person can very well be ethnocentric but still be disturbed human rights violations of people of other race identified groups. Your comment didn't say "White power" to me. Your comment told me that you assume that other groups don't have humane people within them that are offended/intimidated by bullshit like the KKK.
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  46. @Zeldagigafan90210 My problem with the KKK is that I hate racism. I don't care for the hate rhetoric that often comes from the Nation of Islam & the New Black Panther Party (those are NOT Panthers). And it seems evident that you may share some of the same contempt for racism that I have. I guess I'm saying that I believe ALL thoughtful people have that contempt for racism.
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  47. @AEgamesFtw Yes, people get tickets for unkempt lawns in the US. People get tickets for dilapidated vehicles too. As for shopping vouchers at WalMart, i don't shop there so...
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  48. @megagagnon1 That's a pretty weak argument if I've ever heard 1.
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  49. @AmericanNohbuddy But here's the deal, that bullshit snowman is obviously in the other roperty owners' periphery. That's the issue. I'm not speaking on the guy's right to expression (although I find that to be a li'l suspect in this case too). I'm talking about the laws & regulations of that community that were already in place, to which he agreed when he moved in, that he's violating. Therein lay support for my premise. This is more serious than hanging a Jets banner on a block with Browns fans
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  50. @AmericanNohbuddy Yes, the 1st Amendment is for everyone. But the 1st Amendment is only there to keep the GOVERNMENT from prosecuting people for dissent. The 1st Amendment doesn't always protect against things that are offensive. In any case, this isn't about free expression. This is about being a member of a community. If the guy wants to dowhachalike, he needs to move out to the middle of nowhere.
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  51. @clessers You're assuming that I presented something about ethnic intimidation TOWARDS a race. The KKK is an icon of intimidation to wit. Therefore, a neighbor, irrespective of his or her race, would feel intimidated merely by virtue of that fact. The 2nd law is with the noose. He violated the attractive nuisance law. Nuff sed.
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  52. @AmericanNohbuddy The Supreme Court has yet to hear a case about snow-Klansmen. So I won't pay that comment any more attention than that last sentence. Where can you express your views? At a Klan meeting. INSIDE your home. On a blog. In a newsletter. In op-ed journalism. But making a snow-Klansman & putting a nooses in his "hand" is the very definition of attractive nuisance.
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  53. @Wenutz For 1, there's building codes in residential areas that govern how high you can build your fences. City councils get that regulatory codes from mutual agreements among towns, residents & homeowners associations. AND, an unkempt property's homeowner is ticketed. Capice? So your strawmen are useless here my friend. Also, it's 1 thing to have personal design of your own home. It's altogether different to have eyesores on a block. But most of all, this constitute's an attractive nuisance.
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  54. @KAK1282 "...if Blacks start moving in around them..." As long as those neighbors pay their taxes, maintain their properties, keep the peace & obey the law, it's no big deal. My family never never scared anyone away. Neither did my next door neighbors or the neighbors across the street. Racism ain't a good look.
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  55. @ethanB612 Fascism? No. It's membership in a community. I'm talking about the homeowners' organization not the gestapo you peckerhead. You're scared because you think liberty means rugged individualism. It doesn't. If the guy wants to be a rugged individualist, he should get a parcel from BLM or buy a piece of property out in BFE and live there. But if he's gonna be among other people, this is how it goes. It's as simple as that.
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  56. @MorbidDemonHunter So you're too stupid to get that. Thanks for clearing that up.
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  57. @AmericanNohbuddy Beyind that, I'm not talking about flags. Like I said, the flags are a different issue and he must obey the law of the land as far as that goes. And this isn't a t-shirt with the stars & bars. This is a stationery (although temporary) object that's obtrusive. Stop playing dumb. Stop creating false equivalencies. Stop ignoring nuance.
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  58. @AEgamesFtw No, it's not the gov't's job to regulate public property but when people don't take care of their property, they get tickets & rightfully so. Yes neighbors shold talk to neighbors but good fences make the best neighbors. Unfortunately, public regulations are there for a reason.
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  59. @whoo689 Silly collectivist bullshit? You idiot, you don't buy an island. You buy a home that has value not only its equity but you buy membership into a community. That means access to schools, proximity to resources & yes, neighbors. Call it "silly" all you like. Get a BLM parcel & build a home out in BFE. Otherwise stop challenging the age old concept of COMMUNITY. Thoreau is a romantic read but his philosophical ethos of man vs. nature is silly. Members of groups survive longer than loners.
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  60. @bobbytiger You've made up a fallacy & you're hiding behind it. Your snowman is melting mate. Far be it from me to determine what medium an artist uses or where he chooses to put his art. BUT, that's not the case here. In the interview he made no reference to artistic expression. He's not even sophisticated enough to tell that lie. But as has been stated, you can't equate a painting in a public art museum to a snowman on a racist's lawn. Nice try though.
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  61. @duffman1221 I'm not sure if you're being facetious right now. I'll simply say that people who talk about the Founding Fathers & make remarks about liberty are the same people that know little to nothing about that Constitution & those Fathers that they constantly reference. I'll also say that it's funny how neo-conservatives believe they own the patent on the FFs.
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  62. @duffman1221 Why don't you actually examine what the 1st Amendment means before you talk about freedom of expression. Freedom of speech means you can't be prosecuted for dissenting against the GOVERNMENT. It does NOT mean you can just say any-fucking-thing in any & every setting. Please educate yourself before just blurting out something so uninformed.
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  63. @clessers You're not the arbiter of what I get to say. I appended my remark to clarify it for YOU. If you elect not to accept that clarification, that's your choice. But you don't control the premises I present. Moreover, you're not anyone's thought police of emotional weathervane. Again, if a guy who isn't really capable of harming me takes a swing, it's still assault. If I'm not afraid of the Klan, there's still an attempt to offend/intimidate me.
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