Comments by "upabittoolate" (@upabittoolate) on "Zimmerman Evidence Released in Trayvon Martin Case" video.

  1. The fact that the operator said that following the boy was unnecessary makes it 2 instances. That's stalking. Silly. As for asking someone anything we please, again, it's the nature of what you ask someone. I can't just walk to a woman & ask to buy her panties without being a given a ticket for lewd conduct & maybe soliciting. Thus your premise fails. If I'm stalking you in FL, you have the right to fight. That's the LAW. Funny how you don't like it when it works for everyone.
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  2. It hasn't started yet. He was just arraigned in late May. No need to make up things.
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  3. Yawn.
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  4. Following in the the car then following on foot IS a continuation of the act. I have evidence of that in 2 ways. 1, he remarked that Trayvon was coming toward him with a hand in his waistband. 2, when he admitted to following Trayvon then his gun went off 1:57 after he made that admission of following Trayvon. You can't have a fistfight unless you're at arms' length. That means he had to have pursued. And no, you can't just ask anyone anything. There are limits. Zimmerman had no right at all.
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  5. Yes, fear is based on the severity of your injury. Why? Because if I get arrested for inflicting an injury on a person, there are varying degrees of aggravation & there are different criminal sentences. ie, if I punch you in the mouth, it's different that if I punch you in the mouth & knock out your ivory. And both are vastly different than if I knock out your chicklets & you fall into a wall & sustain a concussion. Right? So level of fear MUST relate to injury.
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  6. Whether he felt the need to inject himself or not doesn't change the fact that he's just a filmmaker; not the "Black activist" that you depict him to be. Also, ethereal comments about "Black politicians" show a lack of deep analysis on your part. Following Trayvon IS hunting him. I'll even consider the idea that the killing was incidental; not malicious. But if doesn't go too far when you consider the fact that he was looking for trouble.
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  7. The pics from the doctor are compromised because the doctor isn't neutral. Aside from that, a broken nose isn't grounds to shoot a person to death.
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  8. Nevertheless, even if his conclusions WERE justified, he's not trained or ordained to address the situation beyond calling it in for the cops. And yes, following a person is an aggressive act. The way I see it, TM hit up the store, came back & saw the gate was locked & looked to find another way in that excluded hopping the gate. Zimmerman saw him as he waited under an easement for the rain to subside. TM gave him the slip then they crossed paths again. That was when GZ ran up on him.
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  9. You're making up shit about being "attacked" now? You're feeble.
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  10. Okay. If DofJ says so, that;s good enough for me. And yes, George has a history of violence. No 1 can argue that fact. I wish people would deal with the facts. I guess they don't want facts. They just want to react. I guess that's the biggest problem with the post-human discourse. People are so numbed by overloaded access that they lose sight of the whole picture.
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  11. Show me where Al or Jesse said "hunted down by a racist White man". The last time I checked, they only asked for justice. Also, Spike Lee is not a Black leader or activist. He's a filmmaker. Unless you know something else, that's all he is. As for the bounty, that was to bring him to justice. If every bail bondsman in the country pays a bounty for a bond jumper, then you have to call bondsmen "witchhunters" too. Now won't you?
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  12. There's already evidence that Zimmerman followed him. He told that to the 911 dispatcher. You can't argue that. Again, the only thing that's evident in terms of where they were is where the fight happened. That's about 20yds from Zimmerman's car. You call yourself "fact-checking" but you don't look at basic data. Fail.
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  13. "Stop trolling" is a speech? You're an idiot.
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  14. I'll also have you know that it's standard operating procedure to run a body's prints in cases of foul play. His prints didn't hit that I know of. So much for the "person of interest who might've been in the area" theory. But here's the other problem, GZ didn't shoot & everyone who might've been in the area. That's my point. GZ was outside the law when he decided to follow the boy. Whatever jewelry he was "caught" with isn't of consequence. He wasn't charged with a crime. Even by THOSE dumb cops
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  15. You're not gonna offer your stalker a sip of your Arizona or a handful of your Skittles if you're Trayvon either. Given the fact that he (GZ) wasn't averse to wrestling with a cop, why wouldn't he tangle with a skinny kid? After all, he DID get out of the car & try to track him on foot. Right? And even if I kick your ass, that's not grounds to shoot me to death.
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  16. That's the thing. He may have felt dutiful but he was breaking the law. What he did was stalking. His only duty, as a citizen, was to call the cops. Even if it turned physical, that still doesn't qualify using deadly force. I'm 6'5". I go 230. I've got some dans in TKD & karate. I'm athletic. If you run up on me & hit me, am I automatically justified in shooting you? No. Also, not having a weapon is the very definition of being unarmed. That argument doesn't work, my friend.
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  17. Let's be real. Trayvon was no angel. But he was just a shorty doing what shorties do. Besides, juvy records stay sealed. BUT, that doesn't qualify what George did. In any case, that doesn't change the fact that Zimmerman got himself arrested 2x for shit that would be a felony to anyone who wasn't rich or couldn't use his father's influence to work out a deal out-of-court. I GUARANTEE that George was tutoring as part of the battrey case. I'm almost certain that his family paid the cop to drop.
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  18. Appreciation of an "urban lifestyle" ain't the same thing as including an honest recollection of Middle Passage & slavery in the Americas in a textbook. Your "appreciation" ain't getting funding to keep a library open in the ghetto either. Have you walked through a grade school in a Black neighborhood lately? Have you gone to a city council meeting & seen where fund get allocated? Spare me the "urban appreciation" rap. That's TV. I'm talking about real life. And yeah, there's still White & Black
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  19. I can't see how there;s anything in his past that would make him (TM) seem like some kinda threat to society or ro another person to the degree that he struck mortal fear in the heart of another person. As for witchhunts, that's horseshit. The only thing anyone was asking was that Zimmerman be brought to trial like anyone else who killed a person would be. Why? Because Zimmerman started this mess. Yes, there's a racial element there. But it's not on the part of anyone involved but GZ.
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  20. The available info they had on GZ at the time had him listed at a certain weight & height. Incidentally, TM was said to be 6'3". The bad info goes both ways. Hell, I heard someone try to frame TM as some kinda brazen drug addict when the tox-screen actually said he could've hit some weed weeks before the incident. I'm not looking for a conspiracy. I'm looking for a realistic depiction of the events & some basic, due process. Trayvon didn't get that chance. George must be held to account.
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  21. No. What I'm saying is that we can't assume Zimmerman was walking back to his car simply because he said that's what he did. The thing only we know is that he'd left his car. That, in itself, is negligible. Following a person in your car then on foot is a perceivably hostile act. WE DON'T know about most if not all of the witness accounts because NOBODY has gone on the stand because the TRIAL HASN'T STARTED YET. And no, the affidavits don't all support George.
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  22. No. Bondsmen set bounties. The motive is to protect their surety licensure. I get that. But it's a bounty nevertheless. In addition, your notion of vigilante seems to have a blindspot for GZ. Somehow, you mitigate his sense of duty when he illegally followed that boy but you call the people who want him tried for an alleged crime "witchhunters". That's grossly inequitable, bro.
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  23. You're correct. It was so severe ,in fact, that he didn't need to go to the hospital. He wasn't diagnosed with any concussion. The broken nose was benign. And so what if the kid COULD'VE beaten his ass & taken the gun. I've beaten people's asses & didn't have to kill them. Also, GZ is 5'8", 160lbs. TM was 5'11", 158lbs. That's NOT A HALF OF A FOOT. Are you telling me that a 17yo boy had developed lethal techniques that would best a man who was bold enough to tangle with a cop? C'mon dude.
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  24. 20lbs is a Grand Canyon's worth of difference in a fight. We're talking a middleweight vs. a light-heavy. There may not seem like much of a difference to you but I can imagine it spooked George. Even still, that doesn't qualify shooting the kid. His story is that he was fish hooked but I ain't buying that considering where the shooting happened. Even still, if you're stalking me, how do I know you don't plan to kill me? After all, Trayvon IS the dead person right now. Right?
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  25. I think a politician should fight for whatever he sees fit. If he looks over his shoulder & sees enough people following him, he;s doing his job. As for "human rights", you have to understand that, no matter how you try to redress it, racism isn't gone & some humans are still oppressed. The fact that Blacks & Hispanics are more aggressively pursued by law enforcement (and now civilian, neighborhood watchers) isn't really new. So I've no problem with anyone fighting for their base's best interest
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  26. You're not using it if you think calling the fuzz 50x is less than excessive. You;re not using it if you think the state doesn't pick up charges on domestic violence. You;re definitely not using it if you think his "volunteer work as a tutor" was something other than punishment for battering a cop. You're either slow or stubborn.
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  27. FactChecking101 isn't used to people bringing the facts.
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  28. Nonsense.
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  29. Stop trolling.
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  30. There's no hyperbole. He got clipped for domestic violence. There was also an episode where his buddy was getting arrested, he was advised by the arresting officer to leave it be, he mouthed off & got gaffled himself. During that instance, he caught a battery of an officer for resisting said arrest. He'd called the police 50x. What tyt is saying is that there's not sufficient evidence that he DIDN'T start the fight. Use your head.
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  31. Furthermore, I never said you "owed" anyone anything. That's a conclusion YOU made. What I SAID was that it's intuitive for me to fight in the best interests of the people closest to me. That's what Black leaders do. Do you think Jesse Jackson, when he was living in Chicago, led a rally to protest unfair lending practices by certain banks & inequitable public funding by the Cook County Comptoller, then went to Lincoln Park or the Gold Coast? No. He went back to his crib in South Shore; MY 'hood.
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  32. Yes. I think the level of fear is directly related to the magnitude of injury. Yes. Some people panic. Those are the people who shouldn't have guns. BUT, I don't think Zimmerman was panicky. He knew what he was doing when he profiled & followed the boy. He was courageous then so how can you qualify such a backward leap in genital fortitude after a dustup? I can't. Creating a situation that's tense then shooting your way out of it makes you negligible.
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  33. Again, the only thing that's evident is that George got of the car at some point to follow Trayvon. Whether or not he was returning to his car is strictly conjecture. There's no evidence of him approaching & threatening. You really need to get some facts or learn the difference between fact, something empirical & provable, & allegation, what Zimmerman's doing right now.
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  34. In fairness, no 1 has testified because the trial hasn't started yet. I understand your outrage. I'm pissed about it too. But let's stick with the empirical facts. That way, it's an airtight argument vs. 1 filled with conjecture.
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  35. Don't get me wrong. I can't ignore that Spike is "visible". It's just that when you clump him in with all the politicians, activists & even the NBPP, you end up addressing a race of people instead of dealing with an individual who succeeds & fails on his own merit. The way I see it, Zimmerman was chasing a race of people; not just 1 person whom he deemed to be culpable. That said, we can't hold Spike accountable for what the NBPP did nor can we vice versa the thing.
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  36. I'm inclined to think that White people, when put under the same circumstance, commit the same amount of crime. Furthermore, most of the crime is non-violent. That said, it's counter-intuitive for someone to call himself a leader & not work in the best interests of those he's leading. Yes, there's a nuance. But I didn't hear you complaining about George Wallace either.
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  37. No you're not. You're considered a person who's fighting for your own interests. Nevertheless, White blocks are already taken care of. Don't think for a second that plural means equal. Wanna know which months are White history months? ALL OF THEM IF YOU'RE AMERICAN. Spare me the false equivalencies, bro. You're sharper than that & you know I am too. As for a 'drug lifestyle', that's a really bad premise considering my premise of demand-side control of decriminalized drugs.
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  38. Yes. Odds on, he's was a flanker. It's just the whole, he was an athlete shit bugs me because people are acting like playing a sport makes a person into some superhuman being whose only match in an unarmed altercation is a Luger slug to his ticker. And for what it's worth, there's no good reason he couldn't've been a kicker at that size. Look at how much of a freak Sauerbrun was & he was a punter. For that matter, look at ol' boy, Beuhler, out of USC. He did OLB/HB-type shit in combines
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  39. Well if TM's hands weren't deadly weapons in your estimation then you have to concede that GZ escalated the level of violence. That's not justified. Why? Because you & I both know that every dustup doesn't end up with someone being shot to death. In fact, I'd hazard that more fights end up with the loser walking away with only his dignity being to only real casualty or injury. You're a smart man. I bet you'd agree.
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  40. Actually he DOES have a history of being overzealous & thinking things are supposed to happen the way he sees fit. The thing, his daddy, the judge, usually pulled his ass out of the fire. Not this time though.
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  41. It's obvious that his daddy's influence played a part. Are you gonna sit there & say it didn't & expect me to respect your aptitude for reasoning? It's uncommon for a court to overlook things for you & me. It's not uncommon for a rich, son of a judge to have his shit overlooked.
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  42. The quality of a society, as a whole, is only as good at the sum of its parts. If, as a professed leader of my community AND as a person whom social problems directly effects, I see that there's an imbalance in funding to the school & library on my, Black block, you best believe I'm fighting for my block 1st. So would you. Also, you're notion of non-violent crime being a gateway crime is silly. Drugs need to be decriminalized & addicts needed treated.
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  43. Actually, following someone on 2 occasions in FL is considered stalking. That's not me, that's Sect. 748.08 of the state's code. The car + on foot after he was told not to = stalking. 1 month earlier & Zimmerman would've been charged with felony stalking of a minor. George had no right to ask anyone anything because he has no authority. If someone is stalking me after I run away from him, if I see him again, he's gonna get knocked the fuck out. Trayvon stood his ground. Ask the law's author.
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  44. So what if there were burglaries in the area. GZ was neither trained nor mandated to decide TM was a culprit. Also, your implication of circumstantial evidence is laughable. Did they make record of your house when there were jewelry store robberies in Orlando? No. Why? Because you're not a suspect. Neither was TM. Alsol, both people are not on trial here because 1 person is now dead.
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  45. True. Probably isn't guaranteed. But I'll ask you outright. Do you honestly think GZ DIDN'T use his old man's clout? As for jewelry & a screwdriver, I carry a Swiss Army knife, I wear 2 earrings & a chain. If I didn't use my hands so much, I'd probably wear a ring. I definitely look forward to wearing a wedding band. Does that make me some kinda suspect by your logic?
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  46. I can guarantee he was looking for trouble. Wanna know how? Because Zimmerman had already made his own conclusions about Trayvon being under the influence, being 'up to no good' & being an 'asshole' got 'always got away'. Am I right? And let's be even more frank & earnest. He was CARRYING A GUN. You don't carry a pistol unless you suspect a hazard where oyu might need it. He sure wasn't carrying the gun for same reason that I carry a Swiss army knife. You can't really argue that, mate.
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  47. You say you're not tryna depict Spike as an activist but you conveniently included him in the rhetoric about Jesse, Al, & the other, nameless, Black politicians. Be honest, bro. And like I said, it was a very bad look for Spike to do that. Even if it were an accurate address, GZ has a right to due process & protection from the same vigilante justice that I say he exacted on that teenager. Furthermore, I'd be concerned about someone else being hurt while someone was fucking w/GZ. All a bad look
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  48. You're right. At some point he DID get out of his car to follow the young man. That's negligible. We also heard Zimmerman walking through air current. All that doesn't point to him returning to his car though. As for "evidence", that's up to the judgement of the jury to determine if it supports his depiction of the events. As for testimony, there hasn't been a trial yet. You really need to discern between fact & allegation. There IS no "bottom line" because the prosecution hasn't presented yet.
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  49. No. I feel drugs should be decriminalized & properly regulated. I also think simple possession shouldn't carry a felony. As for my supply-side theory, I mean to say that the illegality of drugs is a means of controlling supply. When you can do that, you can set the prices. The violence associated with drugs is mainly about who supplies them. Look at the difference in violent crime rates during Prohibition & post Prohibition.
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  50. Nah man. If I follow you & you notice it, odds on you're gonna say, "Yo, WTF is your problem?" Again, you're not a stranger to violence, we're in a dark easement & I'm a creepy stalker. You're ramping up in preparation for fight or flight. Then if I, the creep, start asking you why you're walking someplace, you're probably gonna tell me to fuck off. Have I evaluated you wrong? I've taught self-defense. The very 1st thing I tell a student is to be affirmative & assertive about defending 1's self.
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  51. You don't know the difference between fact & conjecture. You've no credibility in the discussion. If anything, YOU are ignoring the facts.
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  52. Spare us the "he was an athlete" shit. For all we know, Trayvon could've been a 3rd string placekicker. Zimmerman's exiting of his car to follow the young man nullifies the self-defense. Him using a gun in an empty-handed fistfight is negligible under any law in the land. He's prison bound. You wanna help him? Got to Walgreen's, buy all the petroleum jelly they have & send it to him... maybe get some mouthguards too. he'll be biting down from pain.
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  53. Lost vision? That qualifies using a weapon. I hate that it happened to you. You lost organ function. GZ didn't even go to the ER. He just got some bandaids & a referral to an ENT to reset his beak. Also, the police were on their way so he can't feign fear of no relief. He was brave enough to tangle with an armed cop before but a skinny, empty-handed teenager struck mortal fear in his heart? On top of that, he got his brave ass out the car in the 1st place? I've a problem with your logic.
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  54. Possible? Try probable. Drug dealers getting popped is not really a big deal because they are non-violent offenders who aren't breaking into people's homes. Forget that "potential to be positive in your society". This guy willfully fought an authority figure who's mandated & commissioned to protect & serve our society. That's the worst kinda violent offense. As for Trayvon's "past" what do you have? Some reefer? That's about it. Weed ain't never killed nobody that I know of.
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  55. EXACTLY! Then we'll hear he was on some William Wallace shit form that movie Braveheart. He was 7' tall, he kills men by the 100s & he were there, he'd've consumed the English with fireballs from his eyes & lightening bolts from his arse. That's just jokes. But you & I both know that being athletic or physical doesn't mean you'll overcome every person in a fight. Hell, I'm an experienced boxer, 2nd-dan TKDer.& a large man to boot. Although I like my chances in a fight, I'm avoiding a fight.
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