Comments by "upabittoolate" (@upabittoolate) on "Cheerleader Rape Case Controversy" video.

  1. @ThirdRAILKink I didn't say I was a psychologist. I said there's a specific commonality in a set of behaviors after a woman is raped: She doesn't want to be around men; not even her relatives. But in this case, the girl continued to cheer on these same jocks in a completely different sport. And instead of suing the actual culprits per her allegations, she sues the school for kicking her off the team. I ain't judged nobody. I'm simply saying that it's suspect for a rape victim to act this way.
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  2. @Sneezlebob Acknowledged. But I think you'd agree that most accidents aren't because people want to go banging their cars into other people's cars.
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  3. @ThirdRAILKink I'm not pulling reasons to doubt out of my ass. I'm presenting reasonable doubt. A victim doesn't just "go right back to it". Here are the facts: the alleged assault happened in Oct '08. She refused to cheer for the guy in Feb '09 when he was taking freethrows. That's 5mos. That also implies that she continued to cheerlead. She took her case all the way to the US 5th District Court of Appeals. It too was thrown out. She HAS NOT gone after Mr. Bolton or the State of TX.
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  4. @ViolentRiC Here's my thing. I'm sure she's not the 1 with the loudest voice so it's kinda hard to scrutinize something like that. It seems to me that there's other dynamics that we haven't been told. And I'm not saying she should resent all the players. What I am saying is that after a major trauma like rape, it doesn't seem intuitive to me that she'd "go right back to normal". And even if she didn't get back to total normalcy, how'd she have the presence of mind to be so litigious now? Dig?
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  5. @langox510x Cold-blooded sharks, which act on primitive instincts & nothing else, aren't the same as malicious rapists who, although they're lowlifes, are still presumed to be sentient beings who have a thought process. That's another false equivalency. Don't you get that? We typically determine culpability by a simple metric: are you (the suspect) competent enough to discern right from wrong. Furthermore, any mu'fucka that's playing around with sharks ain't rational in the 1st place.
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  6. @youngThrashbarg That's exactly what I've been saying. Something sounds suspect here.
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  7. @alanagkelly I never said you were a monolith. I said 1 commonality is that you're not in a rush to be around men after such an ordeal. If you tell me something else, I question your honesty. But hey, this is the internet. I guess we can all be superheroes, supervillains or supervictims. Right? Nevertheless, I ask you outright. Did you rush to go cheer for big, brooding, sweaty men after be viciously attacked by a big, brooding, sweaty man? YOUR argument is bullshit.
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  8. @ThirdRAILKink You're right. I don't know that. But what I do know is that she didn't go after anyone but the school for being cut from the squad. That's fishy. Lookit, the physical recovery after being raped is variable let alone the emotional. I had a girlfriend with whom I had a very active sexual relationship. But when I playfully slapped her on the ass (when we weren't in the act) she'd complain that it stirred up memories from being raped as a younger woman.
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  9. @langox510x I never said that a woman doesn't have that right. I said that it doesn't seem congruent that after being allegedly raped, she'd go right back to the culture that led to this set of circumstances. As for "deep passion", you're not about to tell me that she's going right back to business after being allegedly violated. YES, a rape by football players is going to stop a girl from being around football players. Your car crash analogy is the falsest of equivalencies.
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  10. @ThirdRAILKink I've made no judgments. I've said her subsequent behaviors aren't consistent with many to most rape victims' behaviors. The fact that she permitted her lawyer to keep appealing the rulings tells me how she's thinking. The fact that she's suing he school tells me how she's thinking. The fact that she refused to cheer for that boy tells me how she's thinking. Again, "you can't read minds" or "you never know" is NOT an acceptable debate.You can't debate an abstract. Use facts.
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  11. @ThirdRAILKink The reason I doubt her is that, instead of taking adequate time or seeking counseling, she went right back to cheering. Save for omitting the guy's name in cheers (which sounds more like spite to me), she didn't react much. In fact, she didn't sue the boy for civil damages. Nor did she didn't sue the circuit court for malpractice in their failure to prosecute properly.No. She sued the school for kicking her off the cheerleading squad. That's suspect as hell to any rational person.
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  12. @bluefootedpig Of course they'd cheer for the star player. I'm sure his star status is how he managed to get a lesser charge. But I'm tryna figure out why this girl was still involved with any sports function after she was allegedly raped. I've never been raped but I'm sure that if I ever were, I'd do whatever I could to get a million miles away from the rapist. Maybe she was counting on a cheerleading scholarship or something.
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  13. @langox510x And I ain't talking about her personal mettle. Neither you nor I can pontificate about that. I'm talking about the incongruence in behaviors similar to this 1. Remember Kobe's situation? He banged the chick then blew his load on her face; that's his thing. She didn't want him to do that so she cried rape. While it was a detestable thing to do, it wasn't rape. Right after the "event" the chick went drinking, making out with dudes * ended up with assorted semen in her knickers.(cont'd)
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  14. @ThirdRAILKink Yes I do. YOU cut the bullshit. There ARE psychologists who know what the typical behavior is. "You don't know" isn't an adequate response. "This isn't CSI" isn't an adequate answer. We must look at evidence & precedence in this case. She did appeal the case being dropped. But she didn't take any civil action against the boy. She continued to be in that environment. While her motives for that are unclear, what IS clear is that she didn't go after anyone's money 'til she got cut.
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  15. @Tlincali No. I know what I learned in the certification. I know what I've learned from actually asking girlfriends, who'd be so candid as to talk about it with me, have said. 1 thing is consistent: a woman who's raped by a man doesn't rush be around men or the circumstances that were present when the rape happened. If it was a dark alley, she's avoiding dark alleys. If it was a big black man, she's avoids big black men. if the rapist wore Old Spice, she nauseous at the smell of Old Spice.
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  16. @ThirdRAILKink A car crash is a function of human error. And damned if a motorist isn't a li'l more cautious after an accident. But again, that's a false equivalency. Aside from taking someone's life (murder), taking someone's innocence (child molestation) or taking someone's child (kidnapping) there's no worse or more emotionally distressing situation than rape. This girl's behaviors aren't consistent with a rape victim. She sued the school. It's suspect.
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  17. @alanagkelly Let's use an analogy simply for the sake of understanding the nature of loss; yes, rape victims do lose something. In the case of OJ, the families couldn't get their justice or closure from criminal proceedings so they sued & won. They went after HIM, the assailant. In this young lady's case, she didn't go after her attackers. In fact, she went along like nothing happened. She even cheered for a different sport involving the same athletes. Then when goings went ill, what's she do?
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  18. @langox510x You wouldn't call it fishy because you're not trying to understand a different perspective than your own. Hmm, let's look at it like this. Which seems more rational here: Suing the school for kicking her off the team or suing the court for not doing their job. What seems more rational here: not saying the guy's name as he takes freethrows 5mos after the alleged incident or seeking damages from the boy's family for being assaulted by the boy. Answer those questions for yourself.
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  19. @ufster81 Correct & correct on that last part. That's actually the crux of everything I've been saying too. I think she got in over her head & they, in all their football entitlement, wouldn't let her out of it. It was buyer's remorse turn real ugly. C'mon, a rape victim ain't gonna sue the school. She's gonna sue the rapists.
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  20. @alanagkelly The ignorant 1 is the 1 who's so quick to scream, "rape apologist!" Brain damaged indeed. You're NOT rational if you can't, at least, consider why it is that I'm skeptical (if not a bit cynical). Egos notwithstanding, this girl's behavior isn't a common behavior among rape victims. Beyond that, the case was taken all the way to federal appeal & was still knocked down. That's telling. In addition, she sought no damages from her "assailants". No, she has only sued the school. Check
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  21. @tobiasaurusrex Dude, you sound like a fucking idiot. "Askin' for it"? spare me. I'm talking about the lack of congruency. She's suing the school but nobody else? Every court on the way isn't culpable? The boys aren't culpable? She's seeking damages from the school for an administrative decision made by the cheerleading coach? THAT'S what a rape victim does? Or is that what a scornful 16yo girl does?
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  22. @ThirdRAILKink Learn to read please. The culture of football put her there. Cheerleading is part of football. This ain't "Bring it On". This is hardcore, high school football in TEXAS where many high school coaches are millionaires. Ever seen "Friday Night Lights" or "Varsity Blues"? In TX, football is king. You can't separate cheerleading from it. It doesn't jibe with me that after being allegedly raped, she went right back to participating in the culture that supposedly got her violated.
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  23. @ThirdRAILKink 1, the dipshit's behind your keyboard. She's suing the school out of spite. Plenty of kids get cut from teams for plenty of reasons. She wasn't being a team player. You don't get to pick your teammates. You get to pick whether or not you'll participate. She's suing because she can't get her way. And you think you can separate her lawsuit against the school while omitting her motive for not cheering for a particular player which catalyzed all this? That's how idiots think.
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  24. @tobiasaurusrex No I didn't. I acknowledge the facts that: She didn't remove herself from the situation altogether. She didn't tell her coach about the friction. Every appeal court knocked down the lawsuit. She didn't sue the courts or the law enforcement officials or her alleged assailants; she sued the school. That's suspect. And won't entertain your silly remarks about "rape apologist".
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  25. @ThirdRAILKink I didn't say she should stop going to school. But let's be real, a woman that's raped IS gonna take some time away from things. A woman that's raped ISN'T going to hop right back into the frying pan. YES, when she was in football-cheerleader-party mode, she got into a situation she couldn't handle. THAT is what allegedly got her raped. As it happens, I DO know how women react to rape. I know women who have been raped you dolt.
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  26. @ufster81 Don't get me wrong, it's never the victim's fault. If I'm doing it with my girl & she says, "stop" but I continue, that's rape. So I'm not blaming the victim. I'm challenging the accusation & the accusers subsequent behaviors. And suing the school isn't taking responsibility. It's punting the blame. I dunno, maybe she needs cheerleading as a PE credit or something. Maybe she's tryna get a free ride in college. All that's cool w/me. But something ain't right about this to me.
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  27. Something sounds suspect here. I'm all for rapists being prosecuted to the full extent of the law. And the possibility of a football player getting away with some shit in TEXAS is good. But I wanna know how the hell they noticed that she wasn't cheering for Rakeem. hell, how was she cheering for ANYONE or still on the cheerleading team after being raped. And how does she think this elicits a lawsuit?
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  28. @langox510x With that I can definitely agree.
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  29. @ThirdRAILKink Not exactly. Football players are venerated in Texas. I never implied that there weren't other kids at the party. What I said is that football is a culture there & the players are held to a different standard. They're given the keys ot the city. They get their asses kissed. They're given access to whatever they want: booze, cars, women, hotel rooms, etc. The cheerleaders are bubble-headed objects put there to "support" football players. With those facts you can't argue. (cont'd)
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  30. @ThirdRAILKink I love how you're talking about "any defense attorney would be..." My guess is that you've never even been summoned for jury duty let alone been part of or witnessed a criminal proceeding. You're an idiot for that remark. And yes, a jury WOULD say that shows a lack of traumatic affect (yes I said A-ffect). A jury would also question why she's suing the school instead of the boys, the cops & the state. I;m not sure why you're missing that.
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  31. @ThirdRAILKink I think you don't understand what a fallacy is. Being bitten is totally different because it's not the shark's fault. A shark is a wild animal. A shark can't reason. A human being can reason. Even a rapist, knows that taking pussy from a woman when she doesn't invite you in. Even if the presence of ethical ambiguity, a rapist knows what's against the law. So surfers & sharks aren't a proper metric for this instance.
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  32. @ThirdRAILKink YES, I know what women do. Again, I've dealt with women who've been raped. I've actually had to be RAAP certified to work in emergency rooms. I know how evidence is collected. I'm not exactly an expert but I've got some very meaningful background. I don't know what all women do but I know what many to most women do.
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  33. @tobiasaurusrex Suing the school is suspect. She didn't want to participate. That's tantamount to disobeying the coach or giving up on a play. I've coached & cut kids for less. She took out a civil case on the school. Just because she's appealing a case mean she can't sue the boys or the courts? That's shoddy reasoning. I've read the case you nimrod. How else would I know the other boy's name or about the appeals? Man, you need to read before you publish dumb comments.
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  34. @langox510x Repeat that for me. "I doubt she was ever raped". Thanks for giving me evidence. Anyway, women who've been raped tend to avoid being around men for a while. Although I can't speak for everyone's coping mechanisms in such a situation, I can definitely say that these behaviors aren't normative. On top of that, she chose not to say the guy's name out of (seemingly) petty spite? Nah. I ain't buying it.
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  35. @langox510x And I never said rape was the end of the world. I said that it doesn't seem intuitive to jump right back into football mode after being raped by a football player at a football party. Nah, she'd've taken a few weeks (maybe months) to get her head straight. Perhaps she'd even seek some counseling. Like you said, life altering events haunt a person. She isn't gonna insist on being near her rapist just to not say his name out of spite. Nah. This is suspect.
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  36. @ThirdRAILKink I'm not so diplomatic. Fuck you very much.
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  37. @ThirdRAILKink What I'm saying is that the school didn't rape her. The school didn't fail to properly gather evidence or build a sound prosecution. The school didn't tell her whom to cheer for. Rakeem, Christian & another boy copped to assaulting her. The police mishandled the evidence, The prosecutor failed to build the right . The appeals courts knocked down her case. The coach of the cheerleading squad simply cut her for jaking it. But the SCHOOL is at fault? Nah, that ain't rape Bro.
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  38. @ThirdRAILKink So she didn't say the guy's name? That's her most profound response? How about screaming, "Rakeem Bolton is a dirty, lowlife, fucking RAPIST!" At the top of her lungs? THAT'S a reasonable response. Suing the school for being kicked of the cheerleading team is NOT a reasonable response.
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  39. @ThirdRAILKink I've got my reasons to doubt her. I've presented them You just elected to ignore the presentation. That's fine. You're allowed. Modus tollens doesn't bug me. But I won't let you do is be thought police with me. You haven't walked & talked w/me. You don't know my "nature". I'm saying that there's plenty of reason to be skeptical here. She kept right on cheering & sued the school when she she got shitcanned for not cheering for a certain ballplayer. This is buyer's remorse.
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  40. @alanagkelly Since you're a "victim", you assume that women have never falsely accused men of that wretched crime. You act she was so traumatized that anything she did or didn't do is beyond the pale. You act like being raped means she received a getoutofcheeringpeopleyoudon'tlike-free card. She didn't get 1 of those. She didn't participate in her sport & her coach cut her. Now she's suing the school? I'm ont buying. That's suspect.
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  41. @ThirdRAILKink Assault & rape are 2 different things. Yes, it's possible that he plead to a lesser charge. Yes, football players get away with shit in Texas. BUT, why the hell is she still on the cheerleading team after this incident? If she was so jarred by it, it seems to me that she'd completely dissociate herself from football & cheerleading for a while. Something sounds suspect.
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  42. @ThirdRAILKink I never accused you of having a concept of what a good idea is. I said your logic has too many flaws. I also said that a rape victim doesn't do what she did. A rape victim who feels so overwhelmed by all this would simply quit the team, not sue the school. YES, if this held any water, she'd be suing the courts & the culprits.
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  43. @langox510x (cont'd) I'm bringing up Kobe's deal to point out the fact that women who are victimized in such a vile way don't just "go back to life". In this case, not only did she continue to cheer, she continued to cheer for another sport in which the young man was participating. Again, she STILL hasn't gone after the kid in civil court. Nope. She went after the school for kicking her off the team. Is cheerleading, in your estimation, a priority for someone who's just been raped? C'mon.
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  44. @ThirdRAILKink I never said I was an expert dude. I said I've some meaningful background. And we're not talking about a cheerleader that went all ho after she got raped. We're talking about someone whose lawsuit was rejected by every court to which is as presented. We're talking about a girl who went right back into the pack of hyenas who supposedly raped her. We're talking about a girl who optioned to continue. Ultimately, we're talking about a lawsuit with the school out of spite.
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  45. @langox510x I'm extremely sorry to hear about your friend. And while it was a meaningful experience to you, it has no fucking application here. You're talking about injuries caused by human error in controlling a machine; an accident. I'm talking about (an alleged) assault on a woman that was born of malice of a man to force himself on someone. That's not apples & oranges. That's apples & fucking thumbtacks. So dispose of the false equivalency argument. I'm not dumb enough to buy it.
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  46. @BorgKing001 It's kinda hard to call anyone a dumbass with grammar & typing like that. Just sayin'.
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  47. @ThirdRAILKink Sure I can. How many night have you spent in an ER? Nevertheless, an abusive boyfriend isn't the same as a sexual assault by multiple assailants. Emotional attachment to rapists happen over a period of time; not from 1 incident and that's a 1on1 situation, not a fairly random occurrence involving plural people. Make that distinction. I'm not setting her up against anything. I'm giving my own on things take given the circumstantial evidence I have; just like you.
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  48. @KnightofGascogne What I do know is that there were 3 boys (Rakeem, Christain & a biy who's a minor so his name wasn't released) involved. None of which have been sued for any civil issues. I also know that she took her case all the way to the 5th District of Appeals in NO. Each time it's been knocked down. So she sued the school when she couldn't pick & choose her cheers but she didn't sue the cops who (evidently) screwed up or covered up OR the DAs who dropped the ball? C'mon.
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  49. @ThirdRAILKink She also appealed those case dismissals. She didn't take any civil action against any of these boys though, Maybe it wasn't that serious to her after all. Even IF she outgunned when it comes to suing coops & DAs, that'd show that she wants justice. But she sued the school. That's a person that wants money; not justice
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  50. @ThirdRAILKink I said that her behavior wasn't consistent with the behavior of most victims in my experience & exposure. That's a fact. Don't believe me, look at RAAP's data my friend. I've argued the fact that she didn't sue Rakeem or Christian or the law enforcement officials. I argued that she sued the school. Are you literate?
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  51. @waltermh111 That's ALL I'm sayin'. Then she didn't go for the guy's (family's) wallet either. She didn't press the issue with the (presumably) incompetent law officials. No, she went after the school. That's a li'l suspect to me.
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  52. @ThirdRAILKink Yes, cheerleading is taken seriously but it's not even in the same dimension as football let alone the same strata. That said, I consider myself a pretty bright guy if not somewhat cynical at times. It doesn't scan for me that a woman, after being allegedly raped, is going to willfully put herself in the presence of her rapist; at least not that soon. Furthermore, she copes by not saying the guy's name? Baloney. THEN she sues the school for cutting her? Get the fuck outta here.
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  53. @DaniB0626 That sounds about right. It sounds to me like they were doing the tip-drill & she wasn't with it this time. So she may have done this to "save face". But the face-saving is tying up courts. And since she hasn't gotten any vindication that way, she sued the school.
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  54. @tobiasaurusrex I haven't denied that. My issue isn't with Rakeem though. He may have been 1 of the guys that hold her down. He may have even ripped off her clothes. But he didn't stick his penis in her otherwise we'd have a full-blown rape here. So deal with what's evident here. Besides, my issue is with the girl's lawsuit. if she was violated in such a heinous way, why'd she go right back to that den of jocks? Why'd she sue the school instead of the shitty officials, Christian & Rakeem?
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  55. @ThirdRAILKink I never said I was her. I said that I'm smart enough to observe that her behaviors aren't typical for someone who's been raped. At the end of the day, every court has kicked out her case. Rape is kinda hard to lie about these days. They've got rape kits y'know. They can get DNA. They can detect signs of even the most subtle physical violence. These things I DO know. I'm not talking about what I think is rational. I'm talking about what happens in thees cases. This 1 is suspect.
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  56. @alanagkelly I'm not making any assumptions. I'm talking about evidence I've had from RAAP workshops & CEs, conversations I've had with police & things I've heard from victims themselves. Most rape victims don't want to share the same planet as their attackers let alone the same sporting event. But she finished football season THEN started basketball season. But when Rakeem went to shoot freethrows, she balked. That balki led to dismissal & a lawsuit. That's suspect to me.
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