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You need to read "Ways that are dark" by Ralph Townsend. The Chinese have always acted this way even before Communist rule. It wasn't that much better under the Kuomintang. Every time they roused anti-foreign sentiments, students would burn down missionary schools in a show of defiance even though they were beneficiaries of such charities. These are the same students by the way, that would have ended up with next to nothing, dirt poor living on the streets.
"Tens of thousands of Chinese students annually extract all they can get from the mission schools, and after graduation, without ever having exhibited the slightest interest in Christianity, got about getting a job in business, the government or an allied racket, banditry, or whatever looks most promising. That is natural enough, but that they should be anti-foreign after having been beneficiaries of so much is typically Chinese. " - "Ways that are Dark" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in China in the 1930's)
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"It is necessary to recall that lying has not the disesteem attached to it among the Chinese that it has with us, and it is therefore a deficiency of character chiefly in our estimate of them, and not in their estimate of themselves. But it becomes important to us when we have negotiations with them, and is for that reason worth noting." - "Ways that are dark" by Ralph Townsend (On China in the 1930's)
"With absolutely no advantage to be gained by lying, in a thousand instances where the explanation is of no importance one way or the other, a Chinese will relate the most absurd sort of cellophane lie. High and low, coolie, or general, they will lie naively, reassuringly, always affecting surprised pain at your doubts, when within an hour or so the truth is certain to crop out. " - "Ways that are dark" by Ralph Townsend.
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@asgaiyawaya3973 "Religiously, as in other respects, the typical Chinese mentality represents the human maximum of broad-mindedness. It is striking to a newcomer in China to learn that a Chinese does not care what an acquaintance thinks or does, so long as it does not unfavorably affect him. Acquaintances may be thieves, pickpockets, and whatnot, so long as they do not rob him. Varied religious ideas are if possible of even less concern. The inferential advantage of this indifference is that such corrupt ideas as the Chinese have may supposedly be more easily dislodged because they do not adhere to any set and persisting dogma. As a disadvantage, conjecturally, it will be very difficult to implant any improving sense of values in his head, because there is nothing in that spiritual vacuum to which such a sense of values might be attached. In religious negativity, the Chinese are an amazing contrast to their neighbors, the Tibetans, the Japanese, and the Hindus." - "Ways that are dark" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in China in the 1930's)
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@blume0121 The point I was trying to make is that all this "stuff" about dowry, having a house, a car is a stupid societal construct of Chinese society. If they really liked a guy, do you really think that stuff ultimately matters in the end? You already implied in your answer that it clearly doesn't. So why would they adjust their expectations for foreign men and not their own men? That's all I was saying. So what is all this stuff about dowry, a house, and a car for? Modern Chinese women approach marriage as a transaction, which is a big turn off for most men. So it only follows that they remain single. If her delusions trump her sense of humility, she won't be a good wife, and she won't be a good mother. Most men know this, which is why they steer clear of these women. No good redeeming qualities, and too old to change. She already put herself out of the market a long time ago, she just doesn't know it yet. And when a lot of them find out. It's too late.
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"A people who show surprising sensitivity of feeling and at the same time appall us with their seeming crudity of instinct, accomplished in craftsmanship yet living ever in houses falling to pieces, alert in business yet unable to make a success or large business themselves, quoting proverbs about truth in every breath and not to be believed in anything, always exasperating us and then mollifying our exasperation with a talent all their own, always busy and never getting anything done - four hundred million of them, upon a background of green paddies seen through slow rain, swirling yellow rivers with bobbing junks and rattan sails, above and through all the smell of a damp moldiness amid spiced cooking - that is China and the Chinese." - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US consul who lived in 1930s China)
"It is possible to say almost anything about the Chinese and have the statement true, and yet with proper modifications decidedly untrue. For example, the Chinese seem to do more washing and slopping around with pails of water everywhere than any other race on the globe, and at the same time they are among the dirtiest people to be found. They certainly approach the championship for laziness, and yet their claim to the title of most industrious is hardly open to dispute. They are perhaps the most unreliable and tricky to do business with of any large racial group. And yet under certain conditions a Chinese will make incredible sacrifices to meet his obligations, and die of humiliation if he can't." WAYS THAT ARE DARK: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend
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"To what extent the Chinese at large are what they are because of their inner racial spirit, and to what extent they are so because of long-continued hardships of environment, we cannot accurately measure. The two forces merge indistinguishably, and we can observe only the force of the combination.
In the matter of environment, many centuries have passed in China since the average individual there had any significant control over his lot in life. When he emerges to existence, it is not to look upon choices, but to face forward along lines of narrow necessity, along a slim furrow of possible survival kept open by his family ancestors through the thicket of competing humanity. Into this he steps and toils until he dies.
There is no escape, no means of reaching a status of relative comfort and security, whatever the effort. Experience teaches him that moderately intensive effort means perhaps enough to keep alive, less means starvation, and more futility. The principle applying to physical endeavors applies likewise to moral endeavors. Moderate goodness keeps him out of jail, a less amount risks penalties, and a greater amount sacrifices needlessly much that the might otherwise enjoy. The Chinese thus becomes the most coolly calculating materialist the world has ever known. He lives skeptically immune to moral enthusiasms, having long ago arrived at an opportune materialism whither some of our own gospel ministers tell us we are now rapidly drifting." - "Ways that are dark" By Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
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@darkflamemaster824 "With absolutely no advantage to be gained by lying, in a thousand instances where the explanation is of no importance one way or the other, a Chinese will relate the most absurd sort of cellophane lie. High and low, coolie, or general, they will lie naively, reassuringly, always affecting surprised pain at your doubts, when within an hour or so the truth is certain to crop out." - "Ways that are dark" by Ralph Townsend (On 1930's China)
"It is necessary to recall that lying has not the disesteem attached to it among the Chinese that it has with us, and it is therefore a deficiency of character chiefly in our estimate of them, and not in their estimate of themselves. But it becomes important to us when we have negotiations with them, and is for that reason worth noting - "Ways that are dark" by Ralph Townsend
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@hieveryone2003 "With absolutely no advantage to be gained by lying, in a thousand instances where the explanation is of no importance one way or the other, a Chinese will relate the most absurd sort of cellophane lie. High and low, coolie, or general, they will lie naively, reassuringly, always affecting surprised pain at your doubts, when within an hour or so the truth is certain to crop out. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
"The Chinese seldom lie with consistency, and never with ingenuity. Their production aims at quantity, not quality. Current American fiction ideas about the sinister cunning of the Chinese with their matchlessly clever deception is laughable after a slight amount of first-hand experience. They could rarely fool a bright ten-year-old after he had been in the country long enough to get the hang of their style" - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend
Lying is just second nature to them. Stop justifying why they do what they do. And don't use the "Asian" argument that they're trying to build relationships. As an Asian, this is bs. You won't have much of a relationship if you are constantly being lied to.
Also you know who maintains a straight face while lying to you? Criminal psychopaths.
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Most Chinese don't believe in a higher power. It's considered an atheist nation.
"A little examination of Chinese ideas of religion reveals much that is significant. To begin, their sages have reverenced Confucius conspicuously, but not in the sense of religious adoration. The feeling was philosophic accolade and an avowed obligation of emulation. The common people know vaguely of Confucianism and Buddhism and Taoism, terms which among them are mere misnomer identifications of misty superstitions and proprietary rites, having little or no connection with tenets of organized religious cults." - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China).
"Theology and ethics are in practically no sense related in Chinese conceptions. In certain respects that is perhaps in their favor, for their deplorable ethics get them into trouble enough, and if they wrangled over notions of theology in addition, the chaos would be beyond imagination. And at least the separation of religion and ethics, as a spectacle, is in favorable contrast to the situation in parts of the world where constant inbreeding of the two has produced monstrosities of both. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend
"The average Chinese may be shot at, starved, plundered and everything else, but he is emphatically not introspectively conscious of himself in the Hindu and Christian sense as a sore-footed pilgrim needing spiritual liniment. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend
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"The fighting in China is Chinese, and that means it is peculiar. Very little of it is fighting to a finish. The numbers slain in actual combat are astonishingly low in relation to the total forces engaged. Between two armies of approximately 50,000 men each, say, one may completely rout the other with no more than two or three hundred killed on both sides. The Chinese soldiers have little courage for determined conflict. They lack the exhilaration in strife, the blood lust of possible victory, that characterized the Japanese and some of the rest of us. And then they have nothing to fight for in a sense of vanquishing somebody else. The soldiers are in the army they happen to be in order to eat. They are there to escape death by starvation. Why would they risk it by bullets?" - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (former US consul)
"Chinese dread finality. They prefer to keep matters dangling, with definitive action eternally postponed. The strategy of settling things by striking while the iron is hot, so to speak, never seems to enter into their military calculations. Hence it is common for an army to set out against another with all sorts of ballyhoo about intended annihilation, yet when the two armies clash along the skirmish line, both will lapse into a torpid poise, and remain race to face for months with nothing happening. The soldiers of each army will fraternize with the other, with many desertions across the lines both ways." - "Ways that are dark: The truth about China" by Ralph Townsend.
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The only thing that will save China is agreed upon values rooted in equality and democracy. If you look at how they have always operated - it's always been under authoritarianism. The ego of their leaders constantly set bad precedents of behavior and set aside morals in favor of politics and power above all else. It's their culture.
"Thus it is practically certain that the masses cannot be aroused from this apathy to any assertion of resentment against their oppressors. We find that the average Chinese have little or no conception of fundamental rights, according to the theory developed in the West during the seventeenth century and expressed in mass movements in the eighteenth-the theory that every individual is entitled by the fact of birth certain privileges, to restrict which is unlawful tyranny in another. The Chinese masses look upon what we should call justice, if they get it, more as something fortunate than as something to which they are entitled. Oppressions, conversely are more misfortunes than injustices. Being looted is about like suffering from a hurricane or other force of nature. So here, among the masses, we have the inertness of ignorance. Among the educated, the great majority of them, we have the inertness of indifference, each looking out for himself, but unconcerned with the whole. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
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They import most of their food. In times of war, you really think China will share it with their citizens? Look at what happened during Covid - top level officials were hoarding and selling food to the highest bidder while simultaneously wasting a lot of the perishable food which could have gone to the people. Their military is still far behind the US and won't be overtaking them any time soon. In fact, they only have 1 "functional" air craft carrier, the other two not only take long to start, they spend so much time in maintenance because of the inferior build quality.
"Chinese dread finality. They prefer to keep matters dangling, with definitive action eternally postponed. The strategy of settling things by striking while the iron is hot, so to speak, never seems to enter into their military calculations. Hence it is common for an army to set out against another with all sorts of ballyhoo about intended annihilation, yet when the two armies clash along the skirmish line, both will lapse into a torpid poise, and remain race to face for months with nothing happening. The soldiers of each army will fraternize with the other, with many desertions across the lines both ways." - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
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"With absolutely no advantage to be gained by lying, in a thousand instances where the explanation is of no importance one way or the other, a Chinese will relate the most absurd sort of cellophane lie. High and low, coolie, or general, they will lie naively, reassuringly, always affecting surprised pain at your doubts, when within an hour or so the truth is certain to crop out. " - "Ways that are dark" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
"It is necessary to recall that lying has not the disesteem attached to it among the Chinese that it has with us, and it is therefore a deficiency of character chiefly in our estimate of them, and not in their estimate of themselves. But it becomes important to us when we have negotiations with them, and is for that reason worth noting. " - "Ways that are dark" by Ralph Townsend
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"When the Chinese want to be nasty-as they always do toward somebody-they have a talent for exasperation exceeding anything else in human shape. The favorite policy, toward Americans and other nationalities, is to encourage secretly all kinds of obstruction tactics, from looting to murder, and then disclaim responsibility and as an excuse the general disorder of the country. But while some disorders would naturally occur to cause loss or injury to foreigners in a country in a chaos of anarchy, the provincial moguls and central government officials, with their tyrannical authority, can when they wish prevent the majority of excesses. " - "Ways that are dark" by Ralph Townsend (Former US consul who lived in 1930s China)
China has always been run this way even before the communists came into power. Do you really think under the KMT and their former emperors times were different? No. It's all about whomever is currently at the helm of the country can get away with doing whatever they wish with little to no impunity.
"Thus it is practically certain that the masses cannot be aroused from this apathy to any assertion of resentment against their oppressors. We find that the average Chinese have little or no conception of fundamental rights, according to the theory developed in the West during the seventeenth century and expressed in mass movements in the eighteenth-the theory that every individual is entitled by the fact of birth certain privileges, to restrict which is unlawful tyranny in another. The Chinese masses look upon what we should call justice, if they get it, more as something fortunate than as something to which they are entitled. Oppressions, conversely are more misfortunes than injustices. Being looted is about like suffering from a hurricane or other force of nature. So here, among the masses, we have the inertness of ignorance. Among the educated, the great majority of them, we have the inertness of indifference, each looking out for himself, but unconcerned with the whole. " - "Ways that are dark" by Ralph Townsend
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Jeff Gordon A lot of their students are going to return to China and end up working menial jobs or just join the PLA. Everyone is aspiring for these white collar jobs that ultimately don't exist unless you are well connected to the higher ups in China. They have been sending students overseas ever since time in memorial and China never evolved. It's a waste of time to educate them when all they will do is fall back on their old, tired, and stupid patterns when they are in their country.
"They have steadfastly resisted the introduction of other standards developed elsewhere and which, though far from ideal in practice, are of proven superiority to their own in enabling the average of mankind to derive the most from his environment in competition with his fellows." - "Ways that are dark" by Ralph Townsend (US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
"This absence of lusty physical exhilaration evidently accounts for the poor showing of Chinese in warfare, and with this in mind, any talk of the Chinese being a world power as soon as they gain adequate scientific knowledge is ridiculous. As a matter of fact, China for more than seventy five years has had very able foreign military advisers, and dozens of elaborate munitions and arms plants have been build under foreign direction. Then as soon as the foreign director's contract has expired in each, and the plant is turned over to the Chinese graduates of American scientific schools, it goes to rust and ruin in short order, or if it remains open, operates very incompetently. " - "Ways that are dark" by Ralph Townsend
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@Frog89mad History has shown us that the Chinese love to talk and express outrage reinforced by theatrics.
"Chinese dread finality. They prefer to keep matters dangling, with definitive action eternally postponed. The strategy of settling things by striking while the iron is hot, so to speak, never seems to enter into their military calculations. Hence it is common for an army to set out against another with all sorts of ballyhoo about intended annihilation, yet when the two armies clash along the skirmish line, both will lapse into a torpid poise, and remain race to face for months with nothing happening. The soldiers of each army will fraternize with the other, with many desertions across the lines both ways. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
"This absence of lusty physical exhilaration evidently accounts for the poor showing of Chinese in warfare, and with this in mind, any talk of the Chinese being a world power as soon as they gain adequate scientific knowledge is ridiculous. As a matter of fact, China for more than seventy five years has had very able foreign military advisers, and dozens of elaborate munitions and arms plants have been build under foreign direction. Then as soon as the foreign director's contract has expired in each, and the plant is turned over to the Chinese graduates of American scientific schools, it goes to rust and ruin in short order, or if it remains open, operates very incompetently. " ' "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend
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"Judgements are bought and sold like beans or flour. And, of course, the Chinese police are open to wholesale bribery, whereas in civilized lands, bad as conditions are in some places, a considerable number of the police are incorruptible, while public opinion operates to make them all wary of too flagrant graft. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
"Heedless toward the vague and disconnected appeals of small reform groups for collective action, 395 million Chinese - out of a possible population of 400 million - constitute the most easily intimidated people in the world. Day after day advantage is taken of this submissiveness by bandits, war lords, pirates, wholesale extortion gangs, and duly accredited provincial and central government officials, on a scale probably never before paralleled in the world's history. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend
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"Just as all creatures wage the battle of life with the best of weapons given to them by nature, the Chinese wage theirs with their foremost weapon - acting. They have no talent for warfare. They are not inventive. They cannot compete in industrial organization. They are at heart seemingly immune to the loyalties by which national unity might be achieved to them greater strength. Thus about all that is left to them protectively is their remarkable ability to detect the emotional susceptibilities of opponents, and to attack these with the display best calculated to achieve the desired results. The display may be designed to induce sympathy, to mollify anger, to inspire generosity, or to flatter conceit. But the Chinese are adept at deciding what method is best, and before this talent many a sturdy diplomat has given way against the accusations of his rational self in the manner that Samson melted in the arms of the cooing Delilah." - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
"Chinese dread finality. They prefer to keep matters dangling, with definitive action eternally postponed. The strategy of settling things by striking while the iron is hot, so to speak, never seems to enter into their military calculations. Hence it is common for an army to set out against another with all sorts of ballyhoo about intended annihilation, yet when the two armies clash along the skirmish line, both will lapse into a torpid poise, and remain race to face for months with nothing happening. The soldiers of each army will fraternize with the other, with many desertions across the lines both ways." - "Ways that are dark: The Truth about China" by Ralph Townsend
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"For forty centuries they clung with intense determination to the values they saw. Now we see those aims of forty centuries of the world's oldest civilization reap nothing but agony in the success of their persistence." - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
"Their own records, throwing light on their characteristics back to the remote obscurities of forty centuries ago, force the melancholy conclusion that they were no different then. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend
"To what extent the Chinese at large are what they are because of their inner racial spirit, and to what extent they are so because of long-continued hardships of environment, we cannot accurately measure. The two forces merge indistinguishably, and we can observe only the force of the combination.
In the matter of environment, many centuries have passed in China since the average individual there had any significant control over his lot in life. When he emerges to existence, it is not to look upon choices, but to face forward along lines of narrow necessity, along a slim furrow of possible survival kept open by his family ancestors through the thicket of competing humanity. Into this he steps and toils until he dies.
There is no escape, no means of reaching a status of relative comfort and security, whatever the effort. Experience teaches him that moderately intensive effort means perhaps enough to keep alive, less means starvation, and more futility. The principle applying to physical endeavors applies likewise to moral endeavors. Moderate goodness keeps him out of jail, a less amount risks penalties, and a greater amount sacrifices needlessly much that the might otherwise enjoy. The Chinese thus becomes the most coolly calculating materialist the world has ever known. He lives skeptically immune to moral enthusiasms, having long ago arrived at an opportune materialism whither some of our own gospel ministers tell us we are now rapidly drifting. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend
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@africaisking7817 "To what extent the Chinese at large are what they are because of their inner racial spirit, and to what extent they are so because of long-continued hardships of environment, we cannot accurately measure. The two forces merge indistinguishably, and we can observe only the force of the combination.
In the matter of environment, many centuries have passed in China since the average individual there had any significant control over his lot in life. When he emerges to existence, it is not to look upon choices, but to face forward along lines of narrow necessity, along a slim furrow of possible survival kept open by his family ancestors through the thicket of competing humanity. Into this he steps and toils until he dies.
There is no escape, no means of reaching a status of relative comfort and security, whatever the effort. Experience teaches him that moderately intensive effort means perhaps enough to keep alive, less means starvation, and more futility. The principle applying to physical endeavors applies likewise to moral endeavors. Moderate goodness keeps him out of jail, a less amount risks penalties, and a greater amount sacrifices needlessly much that the might otherwise enjoy. The Chinese thus becomes the most coolly calculating materialist the world has ever known. He lives skeptically immune to moral enthusiasms, having long ago arrived at an opportune materialism whither some of our own gospel ministers tell us we are now rapidly drifting." -"Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend
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@msimon6808 "With absolutely no advantage to be gained by lying, in a thousand instances where the explanation is of no importance one way or the other, a Chinese will relate the most absurd sort of cellophane lie. High and low, coolie, or general, they will lie naively, reassuringly, always affecting surprised pain at your doubts, when within an hour or so the truth is certain to crop out. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
"The Chinese seldom lie with consistency, and never with ingenuity. Their production aims at quantity, not quality. Current American fiction ideas about the sinister cunning of the Chinese with their matchlessly clever deception is laughable after a slight amount of first-hand experience. They could rarely fool a bright ten-year-old after he had been in the country long enough to get the hang of their style." - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend
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@jujirer "With absolutely no advantage to be gained by lying, in a thousand instances where the explanation is of no importance one way or the other, a Chinese will relate the most absurd sort of cellophane lie. High and low, coolie, or general, they will lie naively, reassuringly, always affecting surprised pain at your doubts, when within an hour or so the truth is certain to crop out. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
"It is necessary to recall that lying has not the disesteem attached to it among the Chinese that it has with us, and it is therefore a deficiency of character chiefly in our estimate of them, and not in their estimate of themselves. But it becomes important to us when we have negotiations with them, and is for that reason worth noting. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend
I don't know what universe you live in. But obviously you've been under a rock these last few years. So the fact that they lied about Covid, the fact that they lied about not militarizing the South China Sea is just something you will just not even bother addressing. You're inability to perceive reality is bothersome.
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@siewkonsum7291 Before you get all defensive, they have a point.
"GDP figures are "man-made" and therefore unreliable, Li said. When evaluating Liaoning's economy, he focuses on three figures:
1. Electricity consumption, which was up 10 percent in Liaoning's last year
2. Volume of rail cargo, which is fairly accurate because fees are charged for each unit of weight; and
3. Amount of loans disbursed, which also tends to be accurate given the interest fees charged.
By looking at these three figures, Li said he can measure with relative accuracy the speed of economic growth. All other figures, especially GDP statistics, are "for reference only," he said smiling. - Li Keqiang (Former Premier of China)
- And that's from your government who themselves don't know what the actual GDP numbers are.
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China takes the cake when it comes to causing undue levels of exasperation. You can already tell that they can't fix their problems. Everything they do is under the behest of powerlessness, which is why they have to resort to manipulation and distraction tactics. They cause their own problems that they themselves now can't fix. So much for thousands of years of wisdom, my foot.
"Just as all creatures wage the battle of life with the best of weapons given to them by nature, the Chinese wage theirs with their foremost weapon - acting. They have no talent for warfare. They are not inventive. They cannot compete in industrial organization. They are at heart seemingly immune to the loyalties by which national unity might be achieved to them greater strength. Thus about all that is left to them protectively is their remarkable ability to detect the emotional susceptibilities of opponents, and to attack these with the display best calculated to achieve the desired results. The display may be designed to induce sympathy, to mollify anger, to inspire generosity, or to flatter conceit. But the Chinese are adept at deciding what method is best, and before this talent many a sturdy diplomat has given way against the accusations of his rational self in the manner that Samson melted in the arms of the cooing Delilah. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
"It should be remembered that a Chinese is eternally a dramatist, a play actor in the midst of the most poignant realities about him. And where he is able to work his own mind of the actualities of an issue by the role he assumes, he counts upon removing your own focus from them vastly more. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" By Ralph Townsend
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@nuynobi Zionist ideology? Where is this Zionist ideology? Zionist Ideology insofar that Muslim Ideology is not adapted by the majority - is that what you mean? And no, if they want a Muslim ideology run country, they can move to Jordan, Qatar, Yemen, or even Iran. Why take what little land the Jews have to establish this so called "democracy"? - even though we all know it won't be a democracy, it's probably going to be a state under authoritarian Sharia law. What do you define as a "democracy" with Jewish and Palestinian characteristics? Hmm let me think? It's not a system under Hamas wherein all Jews had to leave out of fear for their lives. Let me guess? Oh wait, it's Israel, once again where Jews and Arabs can live with equal rights and peace. This isn't about ideology, it's about kicking the Jews out and replacing everything with Arab Muslim backwards laws that favor a select few all in the name of "ideology". Give us a break. Muslims all over the world fight for this so called "ideology". They fight Christians, Buddhists, and Hindus and other religions for it. This so called Muslim "ideology" is the damn problem.
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"Thus in looking at China, summarizing everything, we are obliged to acknowledge that traditional policies have failed in results. We have lent them money and they have misused it and defaulted. We have built schools and hospitals and they have burned them down. Our missionaries, spending their lives in self-sacrifice among them, are, by instigation of the "educated" ones they have helped, tortured and slain. Our diplomatic support and general leniency have been seized upon as encouragement to atrocities with exemption from punishment. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
"Tens of thousands of Chinese students annually extract all they can get from the mission schools, and after graduation, without ever having exhibited the slightest interest in Christianity, got about getting a job in business, the government or an allied racket, banditry, or whatever looks most promising. That is natural enough, but that they should be anti-foreign after having been beneficiaries of so much is typically Chinese. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend
China has always been like this. It's just that for the longest time this was hidden from plain view.
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"Money is the life and soul of the people, the nearest thing they have to a religion. Their fortitude in toil, where profits loom, is past belief. The only occasions upon which I have ever seen Chinese exhibit grief had to do with losses of money, though I have seen them lose friends and members of the family without the slightest trace of distress" - "Ways that are dark" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
"Religiously, as in other respects, the typical Chinese mentality represents the human maximum of broad-mindedness. It is striking to a newcomer in China to learn that a Chinese does not care what an acquaintance thinks or does, so long as it does not unfavorably affect him. Acquaintances may be thieves, pickpockets and what not, so long as they do not rob him. Varied religious ideas are if possible of even less concern. The inferential advantage of this indifference is that such corrupt ideas as the Chinese have may supposedly be the more easily dislodged, because they do not adhere to any set and persisting dogma. As a disadvantage, conjecturally, it will be very difficult to implant any improving sense of values in his head, because there is nothing in that spiritual vacuum to which such a sense of values might be attached. In religious negativity, the Chinese are an amazing contrast to their neighbors, the Tibetans, the Japanese, and the Hindus." - "Ways that are dark" by Ralph Townsend
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"With absolutely no advantage to be gained by lying, in a thousand instances where the explanation is of no importance one way or the other, a Chinese will relate the most absurd sort of cellophane lie. High and low, coolie, or general, they will lie naively, reassuringly, always affecting surprised pain at your doubts, when within an hour or so the truth is certain to crop out." - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
"It is necessary to recall that lying has not the disesteem attached to it among the Chinese that it has with us, and it is therefore a deficiency of character chiefly in our estimate of them, and not in their estimate of themselves. But it becomes important to us when we have negotiations with them, and is for that reason worth noting." - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend
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"In the matter of environment, many centuries have passed in China since the average individual there had any significant control over his lot in life. When he emerges to existence, it is not to look upon choices, but to face forward along lines of narrow necessity, along a slim furrow of possible survival kept open by his family ancestors through the thicket of competing humanity. Into this he steps and toils until he dies.
There is no escape, no means of reaching a status of relative comfort and security, whatever the effort. Experience teaches him that moderately intensive effort means perhaps enough to keep alive, less means starvation, and more futility. The principle applying to physical endeavors applies likewise to moral endeavors. Moderate goodness keeps him out of jail, a less amount risks penalties, and a greater amount sacrifices needlessly much that the might otherwise enjoy. The Chinese thus becomes the most coolly calculating materialist the world has ever known. He lives skeptically immune to moral enthusiasms, having long ago arrived at an opportune materialism whither some of our own gospel ministers tell us we are now rapidly drifting. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
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There were better ones? Lol. You know under the KMT, the Chinese people made no distinction between, the military, the police and local gangs right? They all abused the people all the same. It also not unheard of for China to be ruled by tyrannical emperors. Abuse and ego run amok has always ruled China and was always responsible for their suffering. Xi is nothing unique and he won't be the last abuser unless the Chinese people change their tolerance for bad rulers like people did in the West.
"Thus it is practically certain that the masses cannot be aroused from this apathy to any assertion of resentment against their oppressors. We find that the average Chinese have little or no conception of fundamental rights, according to the theory developed in the West during the seventeenth century and expressed in mass movements in the eighteenth-the theory that every individual is entitled by the fact of birth certain privileges, to restrict which is unlawful tyranny in another. The Chinese masses look upon what we should call justice, if they get it, more as something fortunate than as something to which they are entitled. Oppressions, conversely are more misfortunes than injustices. Being looted is about like suffering from a hurricane or other force of nature. So here, among the masses, we have the inertness of ignorance. Among the educated, the great majority of them, we have the inertness of indifference, each looking out for himself, but unconcerned with the whole. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
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It's brainwashing and propaganda. They're brought up to believe that they're better than they think they are while simultaneously having nothing to back up their claims. That's China. They lie to everyone, but most especially they love to lie to themselves. It's a country where powerlessness pervades because they can't even acknowledge the truth which explains their insecurity.
"With absolutely no advantage to be gained by lying, in a thousand instances where the explanation is of no importance one way or the other, a Chinese will relate the most absurd sort of cellophane lie. High and low, coolie, or general, they will lie naively, reassuringly, always affecting surprised pain at your doubts, when within an hour or so the truth is certain to crop out." - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
"It is necessary to recall that lying has not the disesteem attached to it among the Chinese that it has with us, and it is therefore a deficiency of character chiefly in our estimate of them, and not in their estimate of themselves. But it becomes important to us when we have negotiations with them, and is for that reason worth noting. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend
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"Most thoughtful foreigners in China today believe that a monarchy would be best for the country in its present stage. Where trustworthiness is as scarce as it is in China, it is probably better to have a government highly centralized, requiring as few authoritative individuals as possible, in order to utilize most effectively the limited amount of honestly available. But even with a highly centralized monarchy, or dictatorship, some delegation of responsibility in the lower official orders is unavoidable, and there are not enough reliable men in China to fill these posts. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
"From personal experience with Chinese officials, observation of the Chinese at large, and drawing upon the experiences of many acquaintances whose service collectively has taken them all over China into areas no one person could know intimately, it is a reasonable conviction that there are not enough straightforward, honest Chinese available to man any kind of government there. This is not a personal cynicism. It merely phrases common and competent foreign judgment on the scene" - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend
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@jarodarmstrong509 I don't know if you've heard of the book "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend. He was a US Consul who worked in China in the 1930s. Back then, the Chinese people made no distinction between the local police, the military, and the local gangs - they were all thugs and the Chinese people were always at their mercy. Even under the KMT, China was a cesspool of corruption, lying, and cheating. It's honestly not that much different from China now. That's why I laugh when people attribute all their ills to the CCP. It's true that they are part of the problem but you have to just acknowledge the fact that China is just a backwards lawless country always has been, always will be. Reason why places like Singapore, Taiwan, and Hong Kong didn't turn out like China was because they were all colonized and democracy was imposed with actual rule of law, unlike China's law of rule.
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"This characteristic of the Chinese, their cheerful indifference to truth, exasperates a foreigner perhaps more than any quality in their nature. And as is natural, without any conception of truth as a principle among themselves, they seem frequently incapable of believing anything said to them by others." - "Ways that are dark: The truth about China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
"A people who show surprising sensitivity of feeling and at the same time appall us with their seeming crudity of instinct, accomplished in craftsmanship yet living ever in houses falling to pieces, alert in business yet unable to make a success or large business themselves, quoting proverbs about truth in every breath and not to be believed in anything, always exasperating us and then mollifying our exasperation with a talent all their own, always busy and never getting anything done - four hundred million of them, upon a background of green paddies seen through slow rain, swirling yellow rivers with bobbing junks and rattan sails, above and through all the smell of a damp moldiness amid spiced cooking - that is China and the Chinese. - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend
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@kamsunleong6648 It's not about intelligence. It's about price. Just because you're buying something that's cheaper, doesn't mean that it's a better buy. That just means that's all you can afford. By the way, most Thai people still buy Toyotas.
Here's a breakdown of the top 10 best-selling car brands in Thailand for the period of January to December 2023:
Toyota: 265,949 units.
Isuzu: 151,935 units.
Honda: 94,336 units.
Ford: 36,483 units.
Mitsubishi: 32,668 units.
BYD: 30,432 units.
MG: 27,311 units.
Mazda: 16,544 units.
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@davidmaxwaterman "With absolutely no advantage to be gained by lying, in a thousand instances where the explanation is of no importance one way or the other, a Chinese will relate the most absurd sort of cellophane lie. High and low, coolie, or general, they will lie naively, reassuringly, always affecting surprised pain at your doubts, when within an hour or so the truth is certain to crop out. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
"It is necessary to recall that lying has not the disesteem attached to it among the Chinese that it has with us, and it is therefore a deficiency of character chiefly in our estimate of them, and not in their estimate of themselves. But it becomes important to us when we have negotiations with them, and is for that reason worth noting. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend
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"With absolutely no advantage to be gained by lying, in a thousand instances where the explanation is of no importance one way or the other, a Chinese will relate the most absurd sort of cellophane lie. High and low, coolie, or general, they will lie naively, reassuringly, always affecting surprised pain at your doubts, when within an hour or so the truth is certain to crop out. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
"We think of lying as a recourse a somewhat venturesome and usually reluctant expedient intended to maintain a deception until the crisis of a difficulty is past. The Chinese idea of lying first of all that it is an answer - a response of some sort, opposed to the bothersome or disagreeable actualities of the moment - designed to protract uncertainty in another person, or at least get rid of him. It may not even be expected to do this, but will be designed merely to parry the approach of the disagreeable." - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend
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@joseph1150 Read "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" By Ralph Townsend. He talks about his experiences in 1930s China when the KMT were in power. If you read the book you will understand that China has always been the chaotic mess it is.
"From personal experience with Chinese officials, observation of the Chinese at large, and drawing upon the experiences of many acquaintances whose service collectively has taken them all over China into areas no one person could know intimately, it is a reasonable conviction that there are not enough straightforward, honest Chinese available to man any kind of government there. This is not a personal cynicism. It merely phrases common and competent foreign judgment on the scene" - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
"Most thoughtful foreigners in China today believe that a monarchy would be best for the country in its present stage. Where trustworthiness is as scarce as it is in China, it is probably better to have a government highly centralized, requiring as few authoritative individuals as possible, in order to utilize most effectively the limited amount of honestly available. But even with a highly centralized monarchy, or dictatorship, some delegation of responsibility in the lower official orders is unavoidable, and there are not enough reliable men in China to fill these posts. " - "Ways that are dark: The Truth About China" by Ralph Townsend
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The problem with innovation is that it is constantly changing, something China doesn't do. Although China copied and continues to copy, only time will tell as countries like US and Japan slowly start to decouple from them. Even if they steal, who will they sell to? The developed world is the largest market. Unfortunately, China was not able to replicate the economic success of South Korea, Japan, or Taiwan by producing high-value items such as advanced chips to power technology that is always on the cutting edge. And they are no longer the cheapest source of labor. You can't be a "leader" by constantly copying. At some point, other countries will just get sick and tired of their practices which is already happening right now with this chip ban from the US, Japan, Norway, etc.
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@edgecase1047 They know they are lying. Even children have a basic grasp on what constitutes what's true and what's not.
"With absolutely no advantage to be gained by lying, in a thousand instances where the explanation is of no importance one way or the other, a Chinese will relate the most absurd sort of cellophane lie. High and low, coolie, or general, they will lie naively, reassuringly, always affecting surprised pain at your doubts, when within an hour or so the truth is certain to crop out. " - "Ways that are dark" by Ralph Townsend (Former US Consul who lived in 1930s China)
"The Chinese seldom lie with consistency, and never with ingenuity. Their production aims at quantity, not quality. Current American fiction ideas about the sinister cunning of the Chinese with their matchlessly clever deception is laughable after a slight amount of first-hand experience. They could rarely fool a bright ten-year-old after he had been in the country long enough to get the hang of their style." - "Ways that are dark" by Ralph Townsend
"We think of lying as a recourse a somewhat venturesome and usually reluctant expedient intended to maintain a deception until the crisis of a difficulty is past. The Chinese idea of lying first of all that it is an answer - a response of some sort, opposed to the bothersome or disagreeable actualities of the moment - designed to protract uncertainty in another person, or at least get rid of him. It may not even be expected to do this, but will be designed merely to parry the approach of the disagreeable. " - "Ways that are dark" by Ralph Townsend
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