Comments by "ex muslim Alonzo Harris" (@exmuslimAlonzoHarris) on "Chris At Speakers Corner"
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@Peep-w6f
200 verses missing from Surah Al-Ahzab
It was narrated by ‘Abdullah the son of Imam Ahmad in Zawaa’id al-Musnad (21207), ‘Abd ar-Razzaaq in al-Musannaf (599), Ibn Hibbaan in his Saheeh (4428), al-Haakim in al-Mustadrak (8068), al-Bayhaqi in as-Sunan (16911), Ibn Hazm in al-Muhalla (12/175), via ‘Aasim ibn Bahdalah, from Zirr, who said: Ubayy ibn Ka‘b said to me: How long is Soorat al-Ahzaab when you read it? Or how many verses do you think it is? I said to him: Seventy-three verses. He said: Only? There was a time when it was a long as Soorat al-Baqarah, and we read in it: “The old man and the old woman, if they commit zina, then stone them both, a punishment from Allah, and Allah is Almighty, Most Wise.”
Ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
This is a clearly saheeh isnaad, as clear as the sun, in which there is no fault. End quote.
Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
This is a hasan isnaad. This implies that there were more verses in it, then the wording and ruling were both abrogated. And Allah knows best.
End quote from Tafseer Ibn Katheer (6/335)
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Contradictions in toeheed:
1. islamic theology asserts that allah is one, meaning his essence must be singular and undivided. Otherwise, allah would no longer be the Creator but would be considered a creation made up of different uncreated parts.
2. The salafis and atharis, unlike the maturidis, mutazilites, and asharis, believe that allah's attributes are real and uncreated. They reject metaphorical interpretations of these attributes, arguing that such interpretations could lead to theological innovation. They contend that the salafi/athari position is stronger because islamic scriptures do not describe allah as a Spirit or incorporeal being but as having bodily attributes.
3. This poses a problem: if allah’s essence is undivided, then his uncreated attributes cannot be part of his essence. Otherwise, allah would be divided into parts, which would undermine the concept of toeheed.
4. To address this issue, salafis and atharis argue that allah’s attributes are not part of his essence but are distinct from allah.
5. However, this raises a significant issue: if allah’s attributes are distinct from his essence, it implies the existence of multiple uncreated entities within islam. This creates a theological contradiction, suggesting that allah is not the only uncreated being.
6. In contrast, Christianity does not face this problem because it teaches that God is a Spirit, and attributes are understood metaphorically, which aligns with its doctrine.
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