Comments by "Wandering Existence" (@WanderingExistence) on "Ryan Chapman"
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@vidiveniviciDCLXVI Wrong- socialism doesn't mean "muh government". Plenty of socialists from George Orwell and Martin Luther King jr both talk about the evils of capitalism and how it needs to be supplanted by socialism to create equality for workers. Both George Orwell and Martin Luther King jr were democratic socialist, by that I mean a reformist view to get rid of private property and allow workers to control the means of production. You can see in these quotes MLK Jr was against communism and against capitalism, but supported democratic socialist ideals, which is more in the vein of Robert Owen rather than Marx.
“Capitalism forgets that life is social. And the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism, but in a higher synthesis.” – Speech to Southern Christian Leadership Conference Atlanta, Georgia, August 16, 1967.
“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.” – Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
As a Democratic socialist I find it pretty annoying that you think you can tell me what my ideology is. I've done a lot of research on the philosophical background of the idea, and it sure as hell isn't Nordic social democracy. Thanks for trying, maybe actually research things before you start arguing about them;
"Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that supports political democracy and some form of a socially owned economy,[1] with a particular emphasis on economic democracy, workplace democracy, and workers' self-management[2] within a market socialist economy, or an alternative form of decentralised planned socialist economy.[3] Democratic socialists argue that capitalism is inherently incompatible with the values of freedom, equality, and solidarity and that these ideals can only be achieved through the realisation of a socialist society.[4] Although most democratic socialists seek a gradual transition to socialism,[5] democratic socialism can support either revolutionary or reformist politics as means to establish socialism.[6] Democratic socialism was popularized by socialists who were opposed to the backsliding towards a one-party state in the Soviet Union and other nations during the 20th century.[7]"
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@willnitschke Then why is it that Noam Chomsky is a socialist and an anarchist (he is a anarcho-syndicalist)? I'm no anarchist, but it should be clear that socialist ideas are economic concepts and not tied to the presupposition of government. Socialism is a collectivist ideology, which some do advocate/ utilize the government to enact collectivist ideas, but it is not a necessity. Socialism is worker control of the means of production; It is inherently democratic as each worker gets a say in their own work place, as well as replacing landlords with resident or collective controlled housing.
No one said an advocacy of democratic socialism was voting out democracy, like fascism does. In fact, it is completely the opposite, democratic socialism is the voting in of political and economic democracy. It operates on a political landscape of democratic lawmaking, as well as the means of production being controlled democratically. This is in contrast to Marxist-leninist vanguardist socialism, which believes a small group of authoritarians can force the change to democratic economics- But the authoritarians usually don't want to let go of power and let democracy take hold. Democratic socialism is a bottom up structuring of socialism, not by a group of strongmen, but democratic populism.
Most of the democratic community-minded institutions that I believe democratic socialism would utilize are non-government groups, like modern capitalism uses for-profit shareholder corporations. Some of which are co-ops/ credit unions, collectives, trade unions, and community land trusts. Of course, democratic socialists also believe in utilizing municipalities as well as federal agencies when it is necessary... Kind of similar to today's economy where there are a mixture of largely non-government groups with governmental regulations and agencies, except people get more of a say in how the world works. Capitalism is inherently anti-democratic as it gives those with more wealth more "votes" than those with less wealth. You need to look no further than how most corporate shareholders receive not one vote per person, but one vote per share. More shares you own, the more votes you have- some share classes don't even have votes. Socialism, in an ideological sense, is bringing democracy to the economy, not to shareholders but to the people who work and live in these spaces.
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@willnitschke He's a syndicalist, obviously you don't understand the concept. Stop being disingenuous. Cooperatives/ credit unions, collectives trade unions and community land trusts are NOT government entities... Are you purposely being dense or are you natural this thick? Either way, you're a joke 😂🤣 You think all cooperative are government run??? Bahahahaha, okay, bud.
Ideas around the Pluralist Commonwealth have helped real communities, like Preston (UK) and Cleveland, start to rebuild after capital flight. Feel free to look up The Next System Project, which has helped build out these community driven economics in these cities.
P.S. You thought I was talking about corporatism? 🤡 No, bud, I was talking about corporations... They still have shareholder corporations in Nordic countries, LOL 😆🤣 Have you ever heard of Nokia? Based in Finland, you clown. Dude, you're not even trying to think, you're tapped out 😜 But keep it up, What other fallacious strawman arguments can you make up?
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@willnitschke You're still here? Bitch you didn't even know the difference between corporation and corporatism, I brought up for-profit shareholder corporations and you start talking about corporism, it not the same thing 😆😂🤣 Who are you to act like Mr. Dictionary?
The word liberté is a French word meaning liberty. Originally libertarian referrred to people who believed in free will as opposed to determinism, it took on political meanings describing revolutionists opposing the monarchy, with the first print occurrence happening in the 1790s. In 1857, French poet Joseph Dejacque was the first person to describe himself as libertarian, specifically in regards to his anarcho-communist ideas and lambasting the oppressive beliefs of Pierre Joseph Proudhon for his sexism and anti-Semitism. It wasn't until 1955 that libertarian was first used in the United States to denote classical liberalism, which tried to fight a literary battle against the FDR social liberals who were appropriating the term "liberal" from the Classicals. Between 1857 and 1955, the term 'libertarian' was used exclusively by anti authoritarian socialists and communists.
You should know that words are subjective and take on different meanings depending on their social contexts and social understanding of history. No word is more evident as subjective in meaning as the F word. In addition to a literary lesson, I hope you got a history lesson as well, clown 🤡
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