Comments by "Wandering Existence" (@WanderingExistence) on "John Stossel"
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Oh, dear ... You're falling for that old authoritarian propaganda? How is it national socialism after Hitler murders all the socialists in his party đ¤Śđź It's literally on par with calling the Democratic People's Republic Of Korea a "democracy". Besides, if you're going to quote Mussolini, you should know that he was in favor of 'corporatism'. Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.â â Benito Mussolini
Corporatism is a type of economic model that's been utilized by various types of ideologies, but in the broadest sense of the term it means collaboration of the various classes of society (workers, bosses, govt, church, etc) to work together. It's not socialism, because it's not the dissolution of class but integrating class groups to work together, much like the bundle of sticks that the fasce represents. But due to a top-down structure of society, it wasn't so much based around 'collaboration' as state-capitalist subjugation where the fascist governments set up oligopolies and monopolies to better control supply chains and labor markets.
Who did Hitler come for first... Yeah, the socialists;
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak outâbecause I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak outâbecause I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak outâbecause I was not a Jew.
Then they came for meâand there was no one left to speak for me." - Martin NiemĂśller
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âCall it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all Godâs children.â
â MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
âWe must recognize that we canât solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power⌠this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together⌠you canât really get rid of one without getting rid of the others⌠the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.â
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
âThe evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.â
â MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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 @metalman666ization This is the irony, you say you understand economics, but you act as if negative externalities don't exist in the real world and mispricing's only come from government; This neglect of real economic events just reeks of dogmatic ideology. There is no such thing as a perfect market equilibrium, prices are always changing to meet available information BUT like I said AVAILABLE info. For instance, if you have an externality that by definition has value that is not being accessed by market mechanisms. You neglect these large concepts and yet you say you understand economics- that piques my curiosity.
Do you incorporate behavioral economics into your perspective? If not, then you don't understand real world economic interactions. Between logical fallacies and behavioral game theory that stems from philosophical concepts of fairness, humans studied in the real world present different characteristics than neoliberal concepts of the "rational actor". Quite honestly I don't even think you know what I mean by a democratic socialist... You probably think of Lenin or something strawmanned like that.
So we don't get sidetracked please reply to each of these main topics;
1) please address my two non-govt examples of mispricing; negative/ positive externalities and an ignorance to correlated risk
2) What role, if any, do empirical studies of behavioral economics factor into your concept of "correct economics", and
3) I don't think you know what democratic socialism means to demsoc's, but I sure would be curious to hear what your capitalist brain thinks it means.
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 @SeraphsWitness You say Pareto efficiency isn't relevant to externalities.... Let's check the textbook;
"Chapter 14
Externalities
An externality is the accompanying impact (whether positive or negative) of one agentâs consumption or production activity on the utility or technology of another, where this impact is
independent of markets or prices.
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Because externalities are external to the workings of markets, the prices at which trades occur
do not reflect their additional costs (in the case of negative externalities) or benefits (in the case
of positive externalities). Consequently, the First Welfare Theorem typically fails, i.e., *in the presence of externalities, the Walras allocation is generally no longer Pareto efficient.* We begin by
illustrating this inefficiency and then consider three âsolutionsâ that have been suggested to
mitigate these problems and that have influenced government policy towards externalities." - Intermediate Microeconomics a tool building approach, by Economist Samiran Banerjee
For clarification, the Warlas law is a concept of market equilibrium, which like I keep saying becomes unhinged in the presence of externalities. You can call me moronic all you want, but you can't cite a single source that proves me wrong. You're just talking out of your ass, I actually can provide textbook and real world examples of these concepts. Keep up with all those fallacies, it's a pretty cute look on you. Feel free to come back and comment when you can provide cited sources for your opinion or a source that critiques the chapter of the textbook that I quoted- until then I'll consider you very confused.
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 @metalman666ization Wow, bud, I'm talking about externalities because you guys don't seem to understand the importance of externalities to mispricing of supply and demand. Secondly, I know democratic socialism is different from the Nordic model of social democracy... I'm more anti-capitalist than the Nordic model, but thanks for your strawman (ironic when you accuse me of strawmanning and you end up doing such). The Next System Project is a think tank that I like that is devoted to building communities back up by creating community driven institutions, like coops/ credit unions, land trusts, and labor unions. They have helped multiple communities recover from capital flight that left communities to scrape by- but I don't know, maybe you like when your job gets relocated overseas and It becomes hard to put food on the table.
Third, I don't have to believe in the labor theory of value in order to believe the working class should have autonomy over their own labor- capitalism is based on commodifying humans and decreasing their freedom through exorbitant inequality. Instead of using government redistribution like in the Nordic model I think that there should be a fundamentally more fair distribution within property rights so the government doesn't have to redistribute as heavily to correct such glaring inequalities.
Thanks for trying, sorry you fell into a hypocritical fallacy.... Maybe next time you'll be able to be a little bit more intellectually curious instead of assuming you know my beliefs... Maybe you shouldn't be guessing behavior either, lol đâď¸
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