Comments by "Wandering Existence" (@WanderingExistence) on "Amazon Warehouse Workers Could Vote To Unionize Next Month: CNBC After Hours" video.

  1. Ah yes because capitalism punishes treating humans like human beings.
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  2.  @2bRealist https://thenextsystem.org/learn/stories/infographic-preston-model Oh no how dare I support economic systems that actually help support communities that create the wealth in the first place... You can thank the unions and socialists for your 8-hour workday, without them you'd be working 12 hours a day 6 days a week in dangerous work conditions with no workers compensation. but please go ahead and trash the people who gave you your labor rights. You ungrateful McCarthyist hack.
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  3.  @2bRealist  Are you saying UPS doesn't exist or is not profitable? Cuz they have unions.
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  4.  @2bRealist  You see it's not a company problem... It's a capitalism problem O_o When big companies make regs necessary, their bad acting hurts small business, don't blame workers for trying to make a living wage. Capitalism necessarily dehumanizes and commodizes your labor.
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  5.  kcuf elgoog  Capitalism inherently dehumanizes people as merely cogs in a machine, and gives control of the production of common goods as well as the production of media and politics to the rich. Capitalism inherently takes control of the government in order to get itself more profit- This is why you only get $600 and corporations get big subsidies and tax breaks.
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  6. Capitalism is psychotic The solution: https://thenextsystem.org/learn/stories/infographic-preston-model
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  7.  N Ch  So you'd rather work a 12-hour day 6 days a week in dangerous work conditions without workers compensation? I hope you realize that unions and socialists fought very hard for labor rights that gave you an 8-hour workday and basic standards of living. Greed is not good, nor is the plutocracy it empowers- you're defending an oligarchy that even disenfranchises you... Lol.
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  8.  @2bRealist  Community wealth building is not deadly. In fact it is actually helping revitalize communities that have been left to suffer by capital flight. Placing like Preston in the UK, or in Buffalo, NY communities can build self-empowerd economies through institutions like cooperatives, community land trust, public banking, and other ways of collective ownership. https://thenextsystem.org/learn/stories/infographic-preston-model https://community-wealth.org/content/buffalo-new-york https://thenextsystem.org/learn/stories/infographic-preston-model
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  9. If you think $15/hr supports a family, go back to school, Junior.
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  10. If you think AMZN raising prices is cuz of unions and not their monopolistic power.... Your off your rocker.
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  11.  @KokoFixed  Glad to meet a like minded person :) It's unfortunate people write off communities thriving through peaceful self-empowerment as "deadly Leninism" . This is why change is so hard.
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  12.  @crackthecode1578  I agree with your acknowledgment that infinite growth is an unrealistic underlying assumption, especially as it affects climate change- which in turn affects oceans level and acidity, as well as storms and the intensity of disease. That being said I do have to critique the underlying notion that people can be more entrepreneurial and make money from this "new economy"... An economy that is still controlled by tech giants... If YouTubers and users actually control YouTube or TikTok creator and users actually controlled TikTok that would be a different story and that would be automation serving the community that it is meant to serve as a product rather than serving a plutocratic (power via wealth) few that can sensor speech and direct information qurstionable ways- like Facebook increasing depression via targeted posts. As for including stock trading in you're analysis, does that still allow stock trading of companies that violate human rights? I have to be honest... When I first replied I thought I was replying to a different thread. My first comment is completely irrelevant to the conversation... Sorry bout dat. Lol.
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  13.  @2bRealist  A referendum... you mean democracy.... I hope you realize that unions are literally forms of economic democracy. Smdh- but please keep defending an economy that's controlled by the wealthy. And yes the whole reason why May Day and Labor Day are a holidays is because of unions fighting for your labor rights.
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  14. Oh no, not the the poor Ol' trillion dollar company.
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  15.  Corn Pop  BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you think Blue states just value money less than Red states? Cost of living is higher in cities because more people are bidding up the price of resources, cities are also more correlated with being Democratic. It's comments like that that make me think your grandpa is also your father.
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  16.  @crackthecode1578  Honestly, at this point I'm not even talking about automation, I'm talking about labor rights- and yes I know with an increase in labor rights there's usually an increase in cost which increases the justification for switching to automation, and I fully understand that connection. But I am talking about current labor rights, keeping up with labor rights in the United States cost too much so you know what corporations like Apple and Nike do, they contract with the Chinese government to have the CCP utilize the slave labor of ethnic Uighurs that the Chinese government use as re-education through labor camps to strip Uighurs of their cultural identity in order to make products for US and European companies. Capitalism soul focus is to make money for shareholders, and when that is the value system changes will be made to benefit shareholders even at the cost of others liberty or life. Automation is a great thing but it has to be controlled by workers and community members in order to benefit workers and community members rather than a plutocratic few that control society and what it produces through their money.
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  17.  @izziestevens5835  Yup. I have a friend that makes good money in the UPS union. He has a little bit of seniority so with his pay he covers union dues within a couple days with all the union pay he gets. They did have a little bit of corruption in their union, but they voted it out- people want democratically accountable politics but they don't expect economics to be democratically accountable... And then they wonder why corporations are propagandizing them in their media and taking over their government.
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  18.  @pbreedu  Very true, best wishes and happy holidays- let's hope this next year is a little bit better. My grandpa was born in 1931... I feel exactly the same.
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  19. Considering that prices have been suppressed due to treating human beings like objects and not human BEINGS, yea, maybe prices should go up. It's analogous to complaining that the price of sugar went up after they got rid of slavery..... What a pos point of view.
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  20.  @BigRodd91  AMZN doesn't have unions yet, so if you're complaining about current price hikes and blaming them on unions, you're sorely mistaken.
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  21. UPS has unions... They aren't bad.
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  22. The United States says 8-hour workdays because of unions... We have less dangerous work conditions because of unions.... We have workers compensation because of unions. Don't be naive.
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  23.  @Momo-hh6er  Wtf is that supposed to mean? People in the US used to work 10 to 12 hours a day 6 days a week.... But somehow you don't think unions can protect people from being overworked? Smh.
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  24.  @Momo-hh6er  Exactly work quality has improved for them because unions improve the standard.... Smh.
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  25. It's at one facility... That they will definitely shut down "for an unrelated reason" if it passes.
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  26.  @crackthecode1578  Trade offs... Like treating people like human beings or getting super low cost next day shipping. Sowell would definitely favor the multi-trillion dollar company over the worker being worked to the bone. Trades offs, basic decency or save a buck?? As for the capital flight out of California, such effects are usually caused by regulations regulations that often help workers... So capitalist would rather leave workers high and dry rather than help them. This is a capitalism issue, and it's negative effects of moving capital away from people is only due to the fact that capitalism inherently wants endlessly more profit. The Preston model was developed to help workers and community members build a foundation to thrive within their own community after companies took their factories elsewhere. The Preston model is an example of an democratic economy, rather than an economy that works for the profit of the few. https://thenextsystem.org/learn/stories/infographic-preston-model
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  27.  @theknightsarms6922  Capitalism will push push labor prices down until you strave- You can thank unions for your 8-hour workday better working conditions and workers compensation, all things workers had a fight capitalist in order to get basic labor rights. Remember Andrew Carnegie had the Pinkertons shoot workers because they didn't want their wages to get cut again.
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  28. You good? Did you have a stroke?
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  29.  @crackthecode1578  (E: got confused on what thread I was in, this reply missed the mark, sorry) Well it's a very simplistic explanation, they're very more in-depth analysis of the model, and it is only one model of many- and yet it is still helping to revitalize communities like Preston, Lancashire and Buffalo, New York, and these ideas are also being implemented in small ways in other communities which have positive effects. You can call the infographic simplistic because it is simplistic but don't deny the fact that it's helping real people in the real world. Now that's a simple fact.
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  30.  @npc2480  Fitting name you NPC hack, I didn't go to college... I went to work in the real world. You're delusional.
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  31. No, I still don't want a neo-fascist in the White House. Thanks though.
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  32. How easy you are to replace is not necessarily related to skill.
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  33.  @eliudnjai  Probably BECAUSE it hurts others. Jk, but seriously, people are just accustom to paying too low of a price for human labor. Ironically it's often because people are paid low wages that they have to look for low cost options which means they have to fund low-wage jobs which furthers the cycle.
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  34.  @2bRealist  I bet you only used to buy sugar when it was made with slave labor because it was cheaper that way........ O_o
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